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cahwyguy:

--- Quote from: mrsman on October 17, 2023, 04:56:14 PM ---In the case of CA-85, Norman Mineta is the main name, given his prominence in San Jose politics and even national politics (Cabinet secretary in Clinton and Bush II administations).  The namings for deceased military or public safety officials are genearlly minor names and not well known.

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Ah, but they are all listed ... and explained ... on the California Highways site :-) We'll cover some of the more interesting ones on the podcast.

ClassicHasClass:

--- Quote from: cahwyguy on October 17, 2023, 10:27:13 AM ---
--- Quote from: roadman65 on October 17, 2023, 09:54:36 AM ---https://maps.app.goo.gl/pV3Uj38LRyknUquY8
So no more using the name San Diego Freeway? Everything appears to be the I-405 Freeway in ramp guide signing.

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New "Big Green Sign" signage is de-emphasizing the name (probably because navigation apps rarely use the names). That doesn't mean the name can't be used, or that old signage out there doesn't refer to it, or that older maps don't refer to it, or that map apps don't have the name somewhere. It could also be a side effect of all the naming resolutions for short segments of highways -- this has made the broader names dating back 50 years ago meaningless.

But Caltrans, in new Big Green Sign signage, is de-emphasizing the older names. "Naming resolution" names are often on little signs by the side of the road, and are not really used in normal parlance.

It will be interesting to see the impact of the bill the governor just signed:

This bill would require the department, through the erection of highway signs and appropriate markers, to provide recognition of the historical and cultural importance of the California tribes local to, or historically located in, the Counties of Los Angeles and San Bernardino. The bill would require the department to work with certain entities, including, but not limited to, California tribes local to, or historically located along, Route 210, to name Route 210 and to identify appropriate locations for signs to recognize tribal lands along Route 210 in the Counties of Los Angeles and San Bernardino. The bill would require the department to erect those signs and other appropriate markers at the appropriate locations on Route 210, as part of the department’s regularly scheduled replacement, modification, and maintenance of highway signs. The bill would specify that Route 210 shall be known and designated as the Southern California Native American Freeway or by the name developed by the department with the specified entities.

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Was this a James Ramos bill? I'll have to go look this one up.

cahwyguy:

--- Quote from: ClassicHasClass on October 17, 2023, 09:10:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: cahwyguy on October 17, 2023, 10:27:13 AM ---
--- Quote from: roadman65 on October 17, 2023, 09:54:36 AM ---https://maps.app.goo.gl/pV3Uj38LRyknUquY8
So no more using the name San Diego Freeway? Everything appears to be the I-405 Freeway in ramp guide signing.

--- End quote ---

New "Big Green Sign" signage is de-emphasizing the name (probably because navigation apps rarely use the names). That doesn't mean the name can't be used, or that old signage out there doesn't refer to it, or that older maps don't refer to it, or that map apps don't have the name somewhere. It could also be a side effect of all the naming resolutions for short segments of highways -- this has made the broader names dating back 50 years ago meaningless.

But Caltrans, in new Big Green Sign signage, is de-emphasizing the older names. "Naming resolution" names are often on little signs by the side of the road, and are not really used in normal parlance.

It will be interesting to see the impact of the bill the governor just signed:

This bill would require the department, through the erection of highway signs and appropriate markers, to provide recognition of the historical and cultural importance of the California tribes local to, or historically located in, the Counties of Los Angeles and San Bernardino. The bill would require the department to work with certain entities, including, but not limited to, California tribes local to, or historically located along, Route 210, to name Route 210 and to identify appropriate locations for signs to recognize tribal lands along Route 210 in the Counties of Los Angeles and San Bernardino. The bill would require the department to erect those signs and other appropriate markers at the appropriate locations on Route 210, as part of the department’s regularly scheduled replacement, modification, and maintenance of highway signs. The bill would specify that Route 210 shall be known and designated as the Southern California Native American Freeway or by the name developed by the department with the specified entities.

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Was this a James Ramos bill? I'll have to go look this one up.

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AB 776 (Holden) Route 210.
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240AB776


Existing law vests the Department of Transportation with full possession and control of all state highways. Existing law describes the authorized routes in the state highway system, including that for Route 210. Existing law requires the department to keep and repair all objects or markers adjacent to a state highway that have been erected to mark registered historical places.

This bill would require the department, through the erection of highway signs and appropriate markers, to provide recognition of the historical and cultural importance of the California tribes local to, or historically located in, the Counties of Los Angeles and San Bernardino. The bill would require the department to work with certain entities, including, but not limited to, California tribes local to, or historically located along, Route 210, to name Route 210 and to identify appropriate locations for signs to recognize tribal lands along Route 210 in the Counties of Los Angeles and San Bernardino. The bill would require the department to erect those signs and other appropriate markers at the appropriate locations on Route 210, as part of the department’s regularly scheduled replacement, modification, and maintenance of highway signs. The bill would specify that Route 210 shall be known and designated as the Southern California Native American Freeway or by the name developed by the department with the specified entities.

10/08/23    Chaptered by Secretary of State - Chapter 543, Statutes of 2023.

roadman65:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Q37TmH9mUNKzNQkJ9
Is the sound wall along the I-405 SB Exit 57 ramp a Caltrans install or did the hotel next to the off-ramp install it? The design is not typical for freeways anywhere, but fits in aesthetically with the hotel it is adjacent to.

cahwyguy:

--- Quote from: roadman65 on October 18, 2023, 05:31:11 AM ---https://maps.app.goo.gl/Q37TmH9mUNKzNQkJ9
Is the sound wall along the I-405 SB Exit 57 ramp a Caltrans install or did the hotel next to the off-ramp install it? The design is not typical for freeways anywhere, but fits in aesthetically with the hotel it is adjacent to.

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As I recall, that was a hotel project when it converted from the Holiday Inn to the Angeli (or whatever it's current name is). It was originally the twin to the Holiday Inn in Long Beach.

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