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Re: Mid-States Corridor study underway
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2020, 05:49:24 PM »

Here is a link to the Inside Indiana Business article previously referenced about the French Lick Mid-States Alternative Route O - https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/story/41708707/public-hearings-for-midstates-corridor-project?  An independent impact study for Route O (formerly Route 3F) has been conducted by the Indiana University Public Policy Institute and GINOVUS - it is referenced in the IIB coverage and can be downloaded at http://www.frenchlickparkwaycoalition.com/
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Re: Mid-States Corridor study underway
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2020, 09:26:20 AM »

Illinois was considering 4 laning 50 from Olney to Indiana and dropped it mysteriously in 2017. However a bypass of Lebanon is fully funded. Illinois does have the ROW for all but 30 miles. I had speculated it may have had something to Do with Indiana. Also traffic has been declining
Anyway we have been discussing in Southern Illinois notes.
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Re: Mid-States Corridor study underway
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2020, 04:06:23 PM »

Current traffic demand in south central Indiana has shifted to a north-south demand cycle.

Traffic between Vincennes and Seymour is not what it was in prior years. When US-50 was a pre-interstate arterial between Cincy and St Louis, it handled a large amount of regional east-west traffic.  This has declined as the small industrial base moved to points closer to I-70 or I-64. North Vernon got a bypass due to the location of several suppliers relative to the Honda plant to the north.

The demand on US-50 from Olney to Vincennes is driven mostly by the Walmart Distro Center there and the prison in Lawrenceville.  That center supplies Wal Mart's in south central Illinois and Indiana.

Anything below US-50 is going to Kentucky and anything above it going via Indianapolis.  This leaves regional traffic to use I-69/I-74/US-41/IN-37 and now an updated US-231.
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Re: Mid-States Corridor study underway
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2020, 05:49:53 PM »

Got it. Also for St Louis Cincy  it's not much shorter . Someone posted that years ago. Also 50 was out on the Illinois freeway system because of that. It has 4 lane ROW. For all but 30 miles. Also Illinois looked at  50 and Illinois 1 corridors in the sixties without looking at Indiana.
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Re: Mid-States Corridor study underway
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2020, 10:14:09 PM »

Got it. Also for St Louis Cincy  it's not much shorter . Someone posted that years ago. Also 50 was out on the Illinois freeway system because of that. It has 4 lane ROW. For all but 30 miles. Also Illinois looked at  50 and Illinois 1 corridors in the sixties without looking at Indiana.

Yes, I think the difference in the Cincy to St Louis drive, there is currently only a difference of some 45 miles between US-50 and going by Indy.

However if US-50 was modernized on the entire route, I think the mileage gap would broaden somewhat in favor of US-50.  But with these somewhat circuitous bypasses (like around Washington and North Vernon) and odd routings due to heritage rights of way (between Seymour & Loogootee) there are fewer and fewer opportunities to improve it.

The original interstate plan had it following US-150 east to Louisville which follows the old Buffalo Lick Trace. That would have routed Cincy-St Louis traffic that way instead of by Indy.

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Re: Mid-States Corridor study underway
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2020, 03:57:56 PM »

Maybe if Interstate 64 had been built along this corridor, US 460 would still continue to St. Louis, and would not have been truncated to Frankfort, KY.
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Re: Mid-States Corridor study underway
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2020, 08:25:00 AM »

Maybe if Interstate 64 had been built along this corridor, US 460 would still continue to St. Louis, and would not have been truncated to Frankfort, KY.
Evansville, IN and Mount Vernon, IL successfully lobbied hard, and won, getting the I-64 St Louis <-> Louisville Interstate Corridor pushed to the current “southern” route of roughly Old US 460

Vincennes, IN and Olney, IL were not successful, in lobbying to keep I-64 on the early proposed US 50 (IL)/US 150 (IN) “northern” route
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Re: Mid-States Corridor study underway
« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2020, 11:40:42 AM »

Maybe if Interstate 64 had been built along this corridor, US 460 would still continue to St. Louis, and would not have been truncated to Frankfort, KY.
Evansville, IN and Mount Vernon, IL successfully lobbied hard, and won, getting the I-64 St Louis <-> Louisville Interstate Corridor pushed to the current “southern” route of roughly Old US 460

Vincennes, IN and Olney, IL were not successful, in lobbying to keep I-64 on the early proposed US 50 (IL)/US 150 (IN) “northern” route
Evansville had more clout during the 1960s than perhaps even now with Vance Hartke as one of Indiana's senators and the city had a significantly larger population.  Although it would be further out of the way of the direct line between Louisville and St. Louis, what if they had been successful in moving the road even further south such as coming in on the south side of Mt. Vernon, IL from the west, and going directly to Evansville (perhaps rolling by Carmi, IL instead of 15 miles north, and then putting an expressway straight through Evansville as they did with the Lloyd Expressway?  Indiana wouldn't have had to pony up all those millions in the 80s for that expressway or I-164.  Then KY could have made a plea for a I-164 from I-64 in Southern Indiana to Owensboro (which could have been what is now US 231).
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Re: Mid-States Corridor study underway
« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2021, 12:25:27 PM »

https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/story/44084011/holcomb-announces-dollar475m-in-infrastructure-projects

"The state will invest $75 million for the design and construction of additional travel lanes, passing lanes and intersection improvements at specific locations along a 48-mile stretch of U.S. 231 between I-64 and I-69. The governor's office says the improvements will "significantly reduce" congestion in the Jasper and Huntingburg areas.

Construction is expected to begin by late 2022
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The commissioner says the planned Mid-States Corridor project, which would run from the Ohio River through Dubois County and connect to I-69, played a factor in the decision to make the announced improvements. The project team is currently working to complete a Tier 1 Draft Environmental Impact Study, which will also identify a preferred route that could involve U.S. 231.

"That helped us identify some of these projects that may have not been on our radar before the Tier 1 began, and so it identified some needs that we need to address today and so that's why we're happy to make this announcement because we know long-term, regardless of a bypass or a new road or new corridor, these improvements must be made."

The governor announced the projects Friday during the Southwest Indiana Chamber of Commerce's annual "Lunch with the Governor" event.


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Re: Mid-States Corridor study underway
« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2021, 02:21:36 PM »

https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/story/44084011/holcomb-announces-dollar475m-in-infrastructure-projects

"The state will invest $75 million for the design and construction of additional travel lanes, passing lanes and intersection improvements at specific locations along a 48-mile stretch of U.S. 231 between I-64 and I-69. The governor's office says the improvements will "significantly reduce" congestion in the Jasper and Huntingburg areas.

Construction is expected to begin by late 2022
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The commissioner says the planned Mid-States Corridor project, which would run from the Ohio River through Dubois County and connect to I-69, played a factor in the decision to make the announced improvements. The project team is currently working to complete a Tier 1 Draft Environmental Impact Study, which will also identify a preferred route that could involve U.S. 231.

"That helped us identify some of these projects that may have not been on our radar before the Tier 1 began, and so it identified some needs that we need to address today and so that's why we're happy to make this announcement because we know long-term, regardless of a bypass or a new road or new corridor, these improvements must be made."

The governor announced the projects Friday during the Southwest Indiana Chamber of Commerce's annual "Lunch with the Governor" event.

Based on what I've read so far, the plans to upgrade US 231 through Crane are not what the group had in mind.  I didn't read any new four lane roads or bypasses of Jasper or Huntingburg.  That would make the cost much more than the 75 million dollars that is budgeted.
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