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Started by FLRoads, January 20, 2009, 04:01:44 PM

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Error US 283 shield as seen on PA 72 NB in downtown Lancaster.  (I saw at least one other instance on PA 72 itself, and there may be more on US 222/PA 272 NB. I apologize if it is difficult to see.)
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PHLBOS

Another one for the Don't forget to remove the old mile markers when a route has its mileage (& markers) recalibrated file.

US 1 Northbound in Revere - MM 48

Not too far from the previous GSV, MM 53.8

The former mile marker is from the mid 80s and predates the 1989-90 US 1 rerouting (onto I-93 & 95) between Boston and Dedham while the latter was erected much later.
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tckma

Driving home from Connecticut yesterday...  In a state that particularly enjoys promoting state routes to the status of US Routes (New York), I noticed that US 202 got downgraded to state route status:

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3862006,-73.5828049,3a,75y,296.89h,78.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbe_0lZ85QAQAs0MEvQ1iNw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

hotdogPi

Quote from: tckma on June 20, 2016, 11:57:02 AM
Driving home from Connecticut yesterday...  In a state that particularly enjoys promoting state routes to the status of US Routes (New York), I noticed that US 202 got downgraded to state route status:

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3862006,-73.5828049,3a,75y,296.89h,78.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbe_0lZ85QAQAs0MEvQ1iNw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

It seems to be most common on US 202, compared to other US routes. I don't know why.
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PHLBOS

Quote from: 1 on June 20, 2016, 12:11:43 PM
Quote from: tckma on June 20, 2016, 11:57:02 AM
Driving home from Connecticut yesterday...  In a state that particularly enjoys promoting state routes to the status of US Routes (New York), I noticed that US 202 got downgraded to state route status:

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3862006,-73.5828049,3a,75y,296.89h,78.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbe_0lZ85QAQAs0MEvQ1iNw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

It seems to be most common on US 202, compared to other US routes. I don't know why.
Maybe somebody's trying to tell FHWA/AASHTO something.  :sombrero:
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hbelkins

Quote from: 1 on June 20, 2016, 12:11:43 PM

It seems to be most common on US 202, compared to other US routes. I don't know why.

Wish I had $10 for every "NY 209" sign I've seen.


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cl94

Quote from: hbelkins on June 20, 2016, 12:43:56 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 20, 2016, 12:11:43 PM

It seems to be most common on US 202, compared to other US routes. I don't know why.

Wish I had $10 for every "NY 209" sign I've seen.

Or every NY 4/9. R5 even has a couple NY 20 signs.

For a while, US 4 had more NY shields than US shields.
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tckma

Quote from: cl94 on June 20, 2016, 02:58:54 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 20, 2016, 12:43:56 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 20, 2016, 12:11:43 PM

It seems to be most common on US 202, compared to other US routes. I don't know why.

Wish I had $10 for every "NY 209" sign I've seen.

Or every NY 4/9. R5 even has a couple NY 20 signs.

For a while, US 4 had more NY shields than US shields.

I suppose they needed the US shield blanks for "US 27" on eastern Long Island...  or for "US 125" in Westchester County.

amroad17

^ Letting you know Cincinnati needs some of those US 27 shields.  :-D
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roadman

Cross posted from the "Signs With Design Errors" thread (although I still maintain this qualifies as both a design error as well as an erroneous sign)

Sign just installed on VFW Parkway in Boston references US Route 1.  Only problem is that US 1 Route 1 was re-routed off VFW Parkway, and other MDC/DCR roadways, in 1989 to its current routing between Dedham and Charlestown via I-95 and I-93.  Photo is at  http://www.universalhub.com/2016/what-does-dcr-know-about-vfw-parkway-we-dont
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PurdueBill

Quote from: roadman on July 04, 2016, 05:54:38 PM
Cross posted from the "Signs With Design Errors" thread (although I still maintain this qualifies as both a design error as well as an erroneous sign)

Sign just installed on VFW Parkway in Boston references US Route 1.  Only problem is that US 1 Route 1 was re-routed off VFW Parkway, and other MDC/DCR roadways, in 1989 to its current routing between Dedham and Charlestown via I-95 and I-93.  Photo is at  http://www.universalhub.com/2016/what-does-dcr-know-about-vfw-parkway-we-dont

Seems just erroneous.  If US 1 were still on the pre-1989 alignment, the sign would be perfect (no misspellings, wrong colors, square shield for 1, or other design error or erroneous information).

amroad17

Even though US 1 is no longer on this road, maybe MassDPW could make this a US 1A or Business US 1 (ha, ha--a business US route in the Northeast). 

Yes, I know there is a Business US 62 around Buffalo.
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PHLBOS

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Quote from: PurdueBill on July 04, 2016, 10:29:39 PM
Quote from: roadman on July 04, 2016, 05:54:38 PM
Cross posted from the "Signs With Design Errors" thread (although I still maintain this qualifies as both a design error as well as an erroneous sign)

Sign just installed on VFW Parkway in Boston references US Route 1.  Only problem is that US 1 Route 1 was re-routed off VFW Parkway, and other MDC/DCR roadways, in 1989 to its current routing between Dedham and Charlestown via I-95 and I-93.  Photo is at  http://www.universalhub.com/2016/what-does-dcr-know-about-vfw-parkway-we-dont

Seems just erroneous.  If US 1 were still on the pre-1989 alignment, the sign would be perfect (no misspellings, wrong colors, square shield for 1, or other design error or erroneous information).
Actually, the CAMBRIDGE listing on that LGS for US 1 northbound dates back to its pre-1971 routing (when it avoided Downtown Boston & ran along Memorial Drive (C1 ran along Storrow Drive back then)).  So all the info. on this this LGS is literally stuck in the past.

One for which mileage is correct? department in Sanatoga, (Montgomery County) PA. The larger King of Prussia sign reads 13 miles whereas the redundant smaller one (pardon the GSV view) reads 10 miles.
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JMoses24

Quote from: jakeroot on June 13, 2016, 06:21:34 PM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on June 13, 2016, 05:07:59 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 12, 2016, 03:48:48 PM
Seen in the parking garage at the Franconia—Springfield Metrorail station. The error might be a bit subtle to some folks.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/Miscellaneous%20spring%202016%20106_zpsrkm1xkii.jpg

The digits for the dates look like they may have been written at a different time (a darker black).  So I wonder if it might have originally had a correctly-spelled date range on it, and whoever edited it just erased the numbers and didn't think to change the TH.

Almost certainly. Nothing else makes any sense. No moron would intentially write 3th.

This sort of nonsense is why I try to avoid using the ordinal indicator, instead writing something like, "June 13" or, more often, "13 June". Same for street names, "5385 216 St, Langley".

That's not the error I noticed. Look at the bottom. What's a "vechicle"?

noelbotevera

Quote from: PHLBOS on July 05, 2016, 01:33:03 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on July 04, 2016, 10:29:39 PM
Quote from: roadman on July 04, 2016, 05:54:38 PM
Cross posted from the "Signs With Design Errors" thread (although I still maintain this qualifies as both a design error as well as an erroneous sign)

Sign just installed on VFW Parkway in Boston references US Route 1.  Only problem is that US 1 Route 1 was re-routed off VFW Parkway, and other MDC/DCR roadways, in 1989 to its current routing between Dedham and Charlestown via I-95 and I-93.  Photo is at  http://www.universalhub.com/2016/what-does-dcr-know-about-vfw-parkway-we-dont

Seems just erroneous.  If US 1 were still on the pre-1989 alignment, the sign would be perfect (no misspellings, wrong colors, square shield for 1, or other design error or erroneous information).
Actually, the CAMBRIDGE listing on that LGS for US 1 northbound dates back to its pre-1971 routing (when it avoided Downtown Boston & ran along Memorial Drive (C1 ran along Storrow Drive back then)).  So all the info. on this this LGS is literally stuck in the past.

One for which mileage is correct? department in Sanatoga, (Montgomery County) PA. The larger King of Prussia sign reads 13 miles whereas the redundant smaller one (pardon the GSV view) reads 10 miles.
I'm gonna bet that King of Prussia 10 is correct, because the freeway in this area was built in 1985. My theory is that the larger sign predates that, as it's button copy, and that the expressway may have ended further north at the time of fabrication, and the 3 extra miles came from US 422 taking surface streets to end in King of Prussia at US 202.
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Coming back up from my last roadtrip, I noticed this VA-220 sign at the north town limits of Iron Gate:
https://goo.gl/maps/wgFfYAh1Xzz
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jakeroot

Quote from: JMoses24 on July 05, 2016, 09:37:39 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on June 13, 2016, 06:21:34 PM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on June 13, 2016, 05:07:59 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 12, 2016, 03:48:48 PM
Seen in the parking garage at the Franconia—Springfield Metrorail station. The error might be a bit subtle to some folks.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/Miscellaneous%20spring%202016%20106_zpsrkm1xkii.jpg

The digits for the dates look like they may have been written at a different time (a darker black).  So I wonder if it might have originally had a correctly-spelled date range on it, and whoever edited it just erased the numbers and didn't think to change the TH.

Almost certainly. Nothing else makes any sense. No moron would intentially write 3th.

This sort of nonsense is why I try to avoid using the ordinal indicator, instead writing something like, "June 13" or, more often, "13 June". Same for street names, "5385 216 St, Langley".

That's not the error I noticed. Look at the bottom. What's a "vechicle"?

Good catch. This sign is one big fuck-up.

PHLBOS

#3942
Quote from: noelbotevera on July 05, 2016, 11:39:15 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on July 05, 2016, 01:33:03 PMOne for which mileage is correct? department in Sanatoga, (Montgomery County) PA. The larger King of Prussia sign reads 13 miles whereas the redundant smaller one (pardon the GSV view) reads 10 miles.
I'm gonna bet that King of Prussia 10 is correct, because the freeway in this area was built in 1985. My theory is that the larger sign predates that, as it's button copy, and that the expressway may have ended further north at the time of fabrication, and the 3 extra miles came from US 422 taking surface streets to end in King of Prussia at US 202.
Actually, prior to the full completion of the Pottstown Expressway; US 422 went towards Philadelphia via Germantown Pike/Ave. (which branches off of Ridge Ave.).  The portion of the Expressway from the US 202 to the PA 363/Trooper Road interchanges was initially part of PA 363.

MM 176.5 near the Sanatoga interchange

MM 192.3 between the US 202 & PA 23 interchanges

192.3 - 176.5 = 15.8

So the larger sign (which looks more late 80s/early 90s PennDOT vintage BTW) is more (but not completely) correct; it would be helpful to know what PennDOT was using for a King of Prussia focal point (most distances to cities and towns are to their respective centers).
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ekt8750

Quote from: PHLBOS on July 06, 2016, 01:46:43 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on July 05, 2016, 11:39:15 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on July 05, 2016, 01:33:03 PMOne for which mileage is correct? department in Sanatoga, (Montgomery County) PA. The larger King of Prussia sign reads 13 miles whereas the redundant smaller one (pardon the GSV view) reads 10 miles.
I'm gonna bet that King of Prussia 10 is correct, because the freeway in this area was built in 1985. My theory is that the larger sign predates that, as it's button copy, and that the expressway may have ended further north at the time of fabrication, and the 3 extra miles came from US 422 taking surface streets to end in King of Prussia at US 202.
Actually, prior to the full completion of the Pottstown Expressway; US 422 went towards Philadelphia via Germantown Pike/Ave. (which branches off of Ridge Ave.).  The portion of the Expressway from the US 202 to the PA 363/Trooper Road interchanges was initially part of PA 363.

MM 176.5 near the Sanatoga interchange

MM 192.3 between the US 202 & PA 23 interchanges

192.3 - 176.5 = 15.8

So the larger sign (which looks more late 80s/early 90s PennDOT vintage BTW) is more (but not completely) correct; it would be helpful to know what PennDOT was using for a King of Prussia focal point (most distances to cities and towns are to their respective centers).

Well King of Prussia's just a village in Upper Merion Twp. so there's no true center. Logically the best focal point would be the mall especially since 422 ends just west of it.

Alex



Montana 287? taken three days ago along I-15 south of Exit 216.

noelbotevera

Quote from: ekt8750 on July 06, 2016, 02:07:41 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on July 06, 2016, 01:46:43 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on July 05, 2016, 11:39:15 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on July 05, 2016, 01:33:03 PMOne for which mileage is correct? department in Sanatoga, (Montgomery County) PA. The larger King of Prussia sign reads 13 miles whereas the redundant smaller one (pardon the GSV view) reads 10 miles.
I'm gonna bet that King of Prussia 10 is correct, because the freeway in this area was built in 1985. My theory is that the larger sign predates that, as it's button copy, and that the expressway may have ended further north at the time of fabrication, and the 3 extra miles came from US 422 taking surface streets to end in King of Prussia at US 202.
Actually, prior to the full completion of the Pottstown Expressway; US 422 went towards Philadelphia via Germantown Pike/Ave. (which branches off of Ridge Ave.).  The portion of the Expressway from the US 202 to the PA 363/Trooper Road interchanges was initially part of PA 363.

MM 176.5 near the Sanatoga interchange

MM 192.3 between the US 202 & PA 23 interchanges

192.3 - 176.5 = 15.8

So the larger sign (which looks more late 80s/early 90s PennDOT vintage BTW) is more (but not completely) correct; it would be helpful to know what PennDOT was using for a King of Prussia focal point (most distances to cities and towns are to their respective centers).

Well King of Prussia's just a village in Upper Merion Twp. so there's no true center. Logically the best focal point would be the mall especially since 422 ends just west of it.
It's still off. The Goog says that it's 2 miles from the end of US 422 to the mall. Here's what I think would be the focal point.
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FrCorySticha

Quote from: Alex on July 10, 2016, 10:37:27 PM
Montana 287? taken three days ago along I-15 south of Exit 216.

While that one is erroneous, there actually is a Montana 287 that connects with US 287. From Corco's site:

hbelkins

A couple from Bluefield, Va.





And a couple from Tazewell, where someone used the wrong blank for a US 19 marker





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A couple of FL 90 shields I spotted on US 90 in Gretna, FL and near Quincy, FL last week. New installs too. :no:
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Erroneous FL 90 Shield by freebrickproductions, on Flickr
Erroneous FL 90 Shield by freebrickproductions, on Flickr
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