New York

[cl94]

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9146312,-72.6616973,3a,27.2y,290.38h,90.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sY_Z0QGeYjqgh6HOddxr8bg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

That's likely erroneous. I'd call it equivalent to the END NY 9L sign at Washington Street in Glens Falls. It's where NYSDOT maintenance ends, but not where the route officially ends. Signs along the LIE still say NY 24. GIS and route log send it west to the LIE.

Note that signs along the surface west of that point have rarely indicated that it was NY 24. As far as Suffolk County is concerned, it's just another county route. As another example of "Suffolk County is being dumb", see how the county-maintained section of NY 27 is signed "TO NY 27".

[yakra]

Sounds like hey need to get hip to some of those End State Maintenance signs like they have in TX & NE.

Note that signs along the surface west of that point have rarely indicated that it was NY 24

I saw a lot of TO NY24 in GMSV.

[74/171FAN]

Sounds like hey need to get hip to some of those End State Maintenance signs like they have in TX & NE.

Note that signs along the surface west of that point have rarely indicated that it was NY 24

I saw a lot of TO NY24 in GMSV.

I saw the "TO NY 24" signs along CR 94, but I did not see the END shield as I was driving eastbound. 

[cl94]

Sounds like hey need to get hip to some of those End State Maintenance signs like they have in TX & NE.

Note that signs along the surface west of that point have rarely indicated that it was NY 24

I saw a lot of TO NY24 in GMSV.

Those are new, but again, I wouldn't take it to mean anything. See my NY 27 example. They will not post signs for a state route along their roads and if the state doesn't feel like posting new signs, signs won't go up. The BGS along 495 indicates 24 is still a thing out there, I would take state signs over anything the county installs.

See also: US 6, which CDOT says ends in Mack, Colorado.

[webny99]

Cross-posting this from another thread, regarding the intersection of NY 286 and Five Mile Line Road in Penfield:

intersection improvements at this intersection are now complete! There's new left turn lanes on all approaches and a southbound right turn lane. Sidewalks, crosswalks, and striping aren't quite finished yet, but functionally it's more or less complete, and it's about time! Now a much smoother experience than the previous shoulder-bumping stop-and-go slugfest.

[Great Lakes Roads]

https://danburycountry.com/mid-hudson-bridge-will-soon-say-goodbye-to-toll-booths-heres-when/

So, the next bridge to convert to cashless tolling on the New York State Bridge Authority (NYSBA) system will be the Rip-Van Winkle bridge, which is set to go live on November 1st.
After that, the next one to convert to cashless tolling will be the Kingston-Rhinecliff Bridge, which construction of the toll gantry is underway, and it's expected to go live sometime in December.
The final one to convert to cashless tolling will be the Mid-Hudson Bridge, which is set to go live sometime in March 2022.

[D-Dey65]

https://danburycountry.com/mid-hudson-bridge-will-soon-say-goodbye-to-toll-booths-heres-when/

So, the next bridge to convert to cashless tolling on the New York State Bridge Authority (NYSBA) system will be the Rip-Van Winkle bridge, which is set to go live on November 1st.
After that, the next one to convert to cashless tolling will be the Kingston-Rhinecliff Bridge, which construction of the toll gantry is underway, and it's expected to go live sometime in December.
The final one to convert to cashless tolling will be the Mid-Hudson Bridge, which is set to go live sometime in March 2022.

Well, it's no Bear Mountain toll booth, but I wouldn't mind if somebody got a pic of that and posted it in Wikimedia Commons.

[astralentity]

So is I-86 from the state line to I-81 now officially I-86 the whole length?  I was getting mixed signals today taking I-86 on the way out to Michigan.  I saw some plain I-86 signs, a TO I-86 sign near Vestal, and some only NY 17 signs randomly between Vestal and Waverly.

[vdeane]

So is I-86 from the state line to I-81 now officially I-86 the whole length?  I was getting mixed signals today taking I-86 on the way out to Michigan.  I saw some plain I-86 signs, a TO I-86 sign near Vestal, and some only NY 17 signs randomly between Vestal and Waverly.

No.  It's officially I-86 between I-90 and US 220 and I-81 though NY 79.  There's still one project that needs to happen just west of Binghamton before we can have a Grand Unified I-86 (presuming nothing gets designated as a result of the current widening effort before that gets done).

[RobbieL2415]

So is I-86 from the state line to I-81 now officially I-86 the whole length?  I was getting mixed signals today taking I-86 on the way out to Michigan.  I saw some plain I-86 signs, a TO I-86 sign near Vestal, and some only NY 17 signs randomly between Vestal and Waverly.

No.  It's officially I-86 between I-90 and US 220 and I-81 though NY 79.  There's still one project that needs to happen just west of Binghamton before we can have a Grand Unified I-86 (presuming nothing gets designated as a result of the current widening effort before that gets done).

If you are referring to the at-grade section east of NY 8, then that is east of Binghampton.
That appears to be the last at-grade section left.

[webny99]

So is I-86 from the state line to I-81 now officially I-86 the whole length?  I was getting mixed signals today taking I-86 on the way out to Michigan.  I saw some plain I-86 signs, a TO I-86 sign near Vestal, and some only NY 17 signs randomly between Vestal and Waverly.

No.  It's officially I-86 between I-90 and US 220 and I-81 though NY 79.  There's still one project that needs to happen just west of Binghamton before we can have a Grand Unified I-86 (presuming nothing gets designated as a result of the current widening effort before that gets done).

If you are referring to the at-grade section east of NY 8, then that is east of Binghampton.
That appears to be the last at-grade section left.

No, I believe there are still a few minor issues west of Binghamton - no at-grade intersections, but a few things that keep it from being interstate-standard, including substandard shoulder widths.

[machias]

So is I-86 from the state line to I-81 now officially I-86 the whole length?  I was getting mixed signals today taking I-86 on the way out to Michigan.  I saw some plain I-86 signs, a TO I-86 sign near Vestal, and some only NY 17 signs randomly between Vestal and Waverly.

No.  It's officially I-86 between I-90 and US 220 and I-81 though NY 79.  There's still one project that needs to happen just west of Binghamton before we can have a Grand Unified I-86 (presuming nothing gets designated as a result of the current widening effort before that gets done).

If you are referring to the at-grade section east of NY 8, then that is east of Binghampton.
That appears to be the last at-grade section left.

No, I believe there are still a few minor issues west of Binghamton - no at-grade intersections, but a few things that keep it from being interstate-standard, including substandard shoulder widths.

Interesting, because I'm pretty sure the shoulders along NY 17 anywhere west of I-81 are wider than the shoulders on the PA Turnpike Northeast Extension (I-476).

[MikeCL]

I wish MTA would stop the transponder discrimination, but I'll probably start using the Verrazano both ways now every time.

This right here... when in the hell did this start? I've had a MD ez pass for over 15 years why do I need to pay the cash rate? If that's the case why use my ez pass at all?

[kalvado]

I wish MTA would stop the transponder discrimination, but I'll probably start using the Verrazano both ways now every time.

This right here... when in the hell did this start? I've had a MD ez pass for over 15 years why do I need to pay the cash rate? If that's the case why use my ez pass at all?

Don't you know the answer?
Because you don't vote here, and we need money. EZpass is about convenience as much as it is about rates. With AET you would pay cash rate + overhead anyway.

[kkt]

The I-390 reconstruction south of the Thruway is also taking forever. Northbound is finally wrapping up, but southbound hasn't been touched, so it's on track to be a two-year project.

I-88 sees your two years and deems you a promising amateur.

[vdeane]

So is I-86 from the state line to I-81 now officially I-86 the whole length?  I was getting mixed signals today taking I-86 on the way out to Michigan.  I saw some plain I-86 signs, a TO I-86 sign near Vestal, and some only NY 17 signs randomly between Vestal and Waverly.

No.  It's officially I-86 between I-90 and US 220 and I-81 though NY 79.  There's still one project that needs to happen just west of Binghamton before we can have a Grand Unified I-86 (presuming nothing gets designated as a result of the current widening effort before that gets done).

If you are referring to the at-grade section east of NY 8, then that is east of Binghampton.
That appears to be the last at-grade section left.

There are lots of little things that keep the rest of NY 17 from being I-86 - not just at-grades.  West of I-81, there's still one more project left.  There's been speculation on what that could be on the I-86 thread, but it is known to be somewhere in the vicinity of exit 68.  East of I-81, it's a lot of those little things (shoulder width, acceleration/deceleration lanes, interchange geometry, sight distance, etc.) that keep the upgrade from happening.  That's why I mentioned the widening study - if I widening project were to result from that, a good chunk of the remaining work would get done (at the very least Middletown-Harriman, possibly Monticello-Harriman), and if that happened before the remaining project west of Binghamton (which doesn't appear to have any momentum, unlike the widening study), we could have a third section of I-86 designated.  There are even covered signs around Middletown, the paperwork just wasn't submitted to sign it for whatever reason.

[Rothman]

So is I-86 from the state line to I-81 now officially I-86 the whole length?  I was getting mixed signals today taking I-86 on the way out to Michigan.  I saw some plain I-86 signs, a TO I-86 sign near Vestal, and some only NY 17 signs randomly between Vestal and Waverly.

No.  It's officially I-86 between I-90 and US 220 and I-81 though NY 79.  There's still one project that needs to happen just west of Binghamton before we can have a Grand Unified I-86 (presuming nothing gets designated as a result of the current widening effort before that gets done).

If you are referring to the at-grade section east of NY 8, then that is east of Binghampton.
That appears to be the last at-grade section left.

There are lots of little things that keep the rest of NY 17 from being I-86 - not just at-grades.  West of I-81, there's still one more project left.  There's been speculation on what that could be on the I-86 thread, but it is known to be somewhere in the vicinity of exit 68.  East of I-81, it's a lot of those little things (shoulder width, acceleration/deceleration lanes, interchange geometry, sight distance, etc.) that keep the upgrade from happening.  That's why I mentioned the widening study - if I widening project were to result from that, a good chunk of the remaining work would get done (at the very least Middletown-Harriman, possibly Monticello-Harriman), and if that happened before the remaining project west of Binghamton (which doesn't appear to have any momentum, unlike the widening study), we could have a third section of I-86 designated.  There are even covered signs around Middletown, the paperwork just wasn't submitted to sign it for whatever reason.

No need to speculate.  A long time ago, I posted the remaining projects for I-86 somewhere on here.

[vdeane]

No need to speculate.  A long time ago, I posted the remaining projects for I-86 somewhere on here.

I believe the description of that one was "Upgrade of deficient features between Tioga County and the Binghamton city line".

[MikeCL]

I wish MTA would stop the transponder discrimination, but I'll probably start using the Verrazano both ways now every time.

This right here... when in the hell did this start? I've had a MD ez pass for over 15 years why do I need to pay the cash rate? If that's the case why use my ez pass at all?

Don't you know the answer?
Because you don't vote here, and we need money. EZpass is about convenience as much as it is about rates. With AET you would pay cash rate + overhead anyway.

Well that also is a factor in it but how can they keep saying it's faster when pretty much most states don't have toll booths as well. I understand some may forget or never get the toll by mail but I guess any extra money no matter the means is extra income.

[lstone19]

I wish MTA would stop the transponder discrimination, but I'll probably start using the Verrazano both ways now every time.

This right here... when in the hell did this start? I've had a MD ez pass for over 15 years why do I need to pay the cash rate? If that's the case why use my ez pass at all?

Don't you know the answer?
Because you don't vote here, and we need money. EZpass is about convenience as much as it is about rates. With AET you would pay cash rate + overhead anyway.

Well that also is a factor in it but how can they keep saying it's faster when pretty much most states don't have toll booths as well. I understand some may forget or never get the toll by mail but I guess any extra money no matter the means is extra income.

But IMHO, it's a broken promise. It was originally billed as an EZ-Pass is an EZ-Pass and you just needed one. But quickly morphed into not all EZ-Passes are the same and where yours was issued affects what you pay. I would not be surprised if some people get multiple ones so they can get the various state discounts and change them as they move from one state to another. At least Illinois, where I live, extends the EZ/I-Pass rate to all EZ-Passes but it's the exception these days.

[storm2k]

I wish MTA would stop the transponder discrimination, but I'll probably start using the Verrazano both ways now every time.

This right here... when in the hell did this start? I've had a MD ez pass for over 15 years why do I need to pay the cash rate? If that's the case why use my ez pass at all?

Don't you know the answer?
Because you don't vote here, and we need money. EZpass is about convenience as much as it is about rates. With AET you would pay cash rate + overhead anyway.

Well that also is a factor in it but how can they keep saying it's faster when pretty much most states don't have toll booths as well. I understand some may forget or never get the toll by mail but I guess any extra money no matter the means is extra income.

But IMHO, it's a broken promise. It was originally billed as an EZ-Pass is an EZ-Pass and you just needed one. But quickly morphed into not all EZ-Passes are the same and where yours was issued affects what you pay. I would not be surprised if some people get multiple ones so they can get the various state discounts and change them as they move from one state to another. At least Illinois, where I live, extends the EZ/I-Pass rate to all EZ-Passes but it's the exception these days.

Which will likely change the next time ISTHA needs more revenue for capital projects or there's a severe shortfall for operations. It did last for quite a while that you paid the discounted EZPass rate wherever you went. That mostly went out the window when agencies started moving to cashless tolling options, because I think the original idea baked into the discount is "we pay for fewer toll takers since fewer lanes are manned". I do also find it annoying, but that is the way of the world and there's little anyone can do about it. I fully expect that the next phase will be for state residency requirements for transponder service centers, so you'll suddenly have a lot of NJ residents who got NYS transponders to get tolling discounts for MTABT tolls and the like (since PANYNJ doesn't have any transponder discrimination, and even if they started that, given the bi-state nature of the agency, I imagine they'd include both NJCSC and the various NY agencies that issue transponders to continue to get discounted rate) be stuck having to pay the full tolls because they're not NYS residents.

[MikeCL]

I wish MTA would stop the transponder discrimination, but I'll probably start using the Verrazano both ways now every time.

This right here... when in the hell did this start? I've had a MD ez pass for over 15 years why do I need to pay the cash rate? If that's the case why use my ez pass at all?

Don't you know the answer?
Because you don't vote here, and we need money. EZpass is about convenience as much as it is about rates. With AET you would pay cash rate + overhead anyway.

Well that also is a factor in it but how can they keep saying it's faster when pretty much most states don't have toll booths as well. I understand some may forget or never get the toll by mail but I guess any extra money no matter the means is extra income.

But IMHO, it's a broken promise. It was originally billed as an EZ-Pass is an EZ-Pass and you just needed one. But quickly morphed into not all EZ-Passes are the same and where yours was issued affects what you pay. I would not be surprised if some people get multiple ones so they can get the various state discounts and change them as they move from one state to another. At least Illinois, where I live, extends the EZ/I-Pass rate to all EZ-Passes but it's the exception these days.

Which will likely change the next time ISTHA needs more revenue for capital projects or there's a severe shortfall for operations. It did last for quite a while that you paid the discounted EZPass rate wherever you went. That mostly went out the window when agencies started moving to cashless tolling options, because I think the original idea baked into the discount is "we pay for fewer toll takers since fewer lanes are manned". I do also find it annoying, but that is the way of the world and there's little anyone can do about it. I fully expect that the next phase will be for state residency requirements for transponder service centers, so you'll suddenly have a lot of NJ residents who got NYS transponders to get tolling discounts for MTABT tolls and the like (since PANYNJ doesn't have any transponder discrimination, and even if they started that, given the bi-state nature of the agency, I imagine they'd include both NJCSC and the various NY agencies that issue transponders to continue to get discounted rate) be stuck having to pay the full tolls because they're not NYS residents.

I got my Maryland one away back when they did not charge service fees (they do now) I did have a MTA toll tag but I can't find it plus I used to live in NJ so the replenish amount was almost around $300 I ended up paying in cash or getting billed by plate.

[mrsman]

I wish MTA would stop the transponder discrimination, but I'll probably start using the Verrazano both ways now every time.

This right here... when in the hell did this start? I've had a MD ez pass for over 15 years why do I need to pay the cash rate? If that's the case why use my ez pass at all?

Don't you know the answer?
Because you don't vote here, and we need money. EZpass is about convenience as much as it is about rates. With AET you would pay cash rate + overhead anyway.

Well that also is a factor in it but how can they keep saying it's faster when pretty much most states don't have toll booths as well. I understand some may forget or never get the toll by mail but I guess any extra money no matter the means is extra income.

But IMHO, it's a broken promise. It was originally billed as an EZ-Pass is an EZ-Pass and you just needed one. But quickly morphed into not all EZ-Passes are the same and where yours was issued affects what you pay. I would not be surprised if some people get multiple ones so they can get the various state discounts and change them as they move from one state to another. At least Illinois, where I live, extends the EZ/I-Pass rate to all EZ-Passes but it's the exception these days.

Which will likely change the next time ISTHA needs more revenue for capital projects or there's a severe shortfall for operations. It did last for quite a while that you paid the discounted EZPass rate wherever you went. That mostly went out the window when agencies started moving to cashless tolling options, because I think the original idea baked into the discount is "we pay for fewer toll takers since fewer lanes are manned". I do also find it annoying, but that is the way of the world and there's little anyone can do about it. I fully expect that the next phase will be for state residency requirements for transponder service centers, so you'll suddenly have a lot of NJ residents who got NYS transponders to get tolling discounts for MTABT tolls and the like (since PANYNJ doesn't have any transponder discrimination, and even if they started that, given the bi-state nature of the agency, I imagine they'd include both NJCSC and the various NY agencies that issue transponders to continue to get discounted rate) be stuck having to pay the full tolls because they're not NYS residents.

I got my Maryland one away back when they did not charge service fees (they do now) I did have a MTA toll tag but I can't find it plus I used to live in NJ so the replenish amount was almost around $300 I ended up paying in cash or getting billed by plate.

When I first moved to Maryland, I also had a MD pass.  I also dropped it when they started imposing the monthly fee.  I was able to get a MTA tag, which doesn't charge a monthly fee.  [That is usually hard to get as an out-of-state resident, since they try to push the PANYNJ tags which do charge a monthly fee.  I was able to get one by using  my sister's NY address and then later changing it to my billing address.]

Once Larry Hogan became governor of MD, he put in place several motorist friendly provisions like reducing tolls and ending the monthly fee on EZ-Pass by executive order.  Even though MD's EZ-Pass is now free of the monthly fee, I decided to keep my MTA pass, since it is easy for a new governor to simply re-impose the fee in MD, but in NY the fee cannot be imposed without new legislation.  I do take advantage of the lower fees with a NY EZ-Pass when I am in the NY area, but I have to pay the out-of-state rates when crossing the toll bridges in MD.


https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-news-items/e-zpass-everyone

[RobbieL2415]

So is I-86 from the state line to I-81 now officially I-86 the whole length?  I was getting mixed signals today taking I-86 on the way out to Michigan.  I saw some plain I-86 signs, a TO I-86 sign near Vestal, and some only NY 17 signs randomly between Vestal and Waverly.

No.  It's officially I-86 between I-90 and US 220 and I-81 though NY 79.  There's still one project that needs to happen just west of Binghamton before we can have a Grand Unified I-86 (presuming nothing gets designated as a result of the current widening effort before that gets done).

If you are referring to the at-grade section east of NY 8, then that is east of Binghampton.
That appears to be the last at-grade section left.

There are lots of little things that keep the rest of NY 17 from being I-86 - not just at-grades.  West of I-81, there's still one more project left.  There's been speculation on what that could be on the I-86 thread, but it is known to be somewhere in the vicinity of exit 68.  East of I-81, it's a lot of those little things (shoulder width, acceleration/deceleration lanes, interchange geometry, sight distance, etc.) that keep the upgrade from happening.  That's why I mentioned the widening study - if I widening project were to result from that, a good chunk of the remaining work would get done (at the very least Middletown-Harriman, possibly Monticello-Harriman), and if that happened before the remaining project west of Binghamton (which doesn't appear to have any momentum, unlike the widening study), we could have a third section of I-86 designated.  There are even covered signs around Middletown, the paperwork just wasn't submitted to sign it for whatever reason.

The bridges between Exits 68 and 70 appear to be substandard and lack a shoulder. There is only a guard rail median in the vic. of Exit 69. Perhaps they want to replace it with a concrete barrier. Maybe they also want to close Exit 68? The unnumbered exit on NY 26 reaches the same area as Exit 68.

[MikeCL]

I wish MTA would stop the transponder discrimination, but I'll probably start using the Verrazano both ways now every time.

This right here... when in the hell did this start? I've had a MD ez pass for over 15 years why do I need to pay the cash rate? If that's the case why use my ez pass at all?

Don't you know the answer?
Because you don't vote here, and we need money. EZpass is about convenience as much as it is about rates. With AET you would pay cash rate + overhead anyway.

Well that also is a factor in it but how can they keep saying it's faster when pretty much most states don't have toll booths as well. I understand some may forget or never get the toll by mail but I guess any extra money no matter the means is extra income.

But IMHO, it's a broken promise. It was originally billed as an EZ-Pass is an EZ-Pass and you just needed one. But quickly morphed into not all EZ-Passes are the same and where yours was issued affects what you pay. I would not be surprised if some people get multiple ones so they can get the various state discounts and change them as they move from one state to another. At least Illinois, where I live, extends the EZ/I-Pass rate to all EZ-Passes but it's the exception these days.

Which will likely change the next time ISTHA needs more revenue for capital projects or there's a severe shortfall for operations. It did last for quite a while that you paid the discounted EZPass rate wherever you went. That mostly went out the window when agencies started moving to cashless tolling options, because I think the original idea baked into the discount is "we pay for fewer toll takers since fewer lanes are manned". I do also find it annoying, but that is the way of the world and there's little anyone can do about it. I fully expect that the next phase will be for state residency requirements for transponder service centers, so you'll suddenly have a lot of NJ residents who got NYS transponders to get tolling discounts for MTABT tolls and the like (since PANYNJ doesn't have any transponder discrimination, and even if they started that, given the bi-state nature of the agency, I imagine they'd include both NJCSC and the various NY agencies that issue transponders to continue to get discounted rate) be stuck having to pay the full tolls because they're not NYS residents.

I got my Maryland one away back when they did not charge service fees (they do now) I did have a MTA toll tag but I can't find it plus I used to live in NJ so the replenish amount was almost around $300 I ended up paying in cash or getting billed by plate.

When I first moved to Maryland, I also had a MD pass.  I also dropped it when they started imposing the monthly fee.  I was able to get a MTA tag, which doesn't charge a monthly fee.  [That is usually hard to get as an out-of-state resident, since they try to push the PANYNJ tags which do charge a monthly fee.  I was able to get one by using  my sister's NY address and then later changing it to my billing address.]

Once Larry Hogan became governor of MD, he put in place several motorist friendly provisions like reducing tolls and ending the monthly fee on EZ-Pass by executive order.  Even though MD's EZ-Pass is now free of the monthly fee, I decided to keep my MTA pass, since it is easy for a new governor to simply re-impose the fee in MD, but in NY the fee cannot be imposed without new legislation.  I do take advantage of the lower fees with a NY EZ-Pass when I am in the NY area, but I have to pay the out-of-state rates when crossing the toll bridges in MD.


https://mdta.maryland.gov/blog-category/mdta-news-items/e-zpass-everyone

Yeah I'm thinking about using my MTA ezpass again since I'm mostly in NJ and NY