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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1075 on: March 06, 2023, 06:02:31 AM »

How about Selma? Its bypass is short. They might as well extend US 70 ALT through Selma and keep US 70 on the bypass.

Since I-42 will use US-70 Bypass in Selma, I'd just decommission US-70 Bypass and call it a day.
Another possibility: put US 70 on US 70 BUS through Smithfield (this would be consistent with returning it to Clayton as already announced). Decommission US 70 BYP and also US 70 ALT; make US 70 ALT a state primary highway through Pine Level, perhaps NC 270.

US 70 Business was US 70 originally and US 70 through Selma was US 70 ALT not too long ago. That is why the tiny BUSINESS writing on the I-95 guide at US 70 Bus. Exit as NCDOT didn’t want to replace the sign but instead cram in the new designation.
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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1076 on: March 19, 2023, 10:02:31 PM »

Google Maps has updated its Street View coverage of US 70 in Craven County to December 2022. From this I have captured new images of construction progress in the James City area and at the beginning and end of the Havelock Bypass, such as of the future bridge carrying US 70 East over the eastern end of the Bypass:


on my Future I-42 in NC website: https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut42.html#photos2

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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1077 on: June 12, 2023, 10:37:54 PM »

Google Maps has updated their Street View coverage of US 70 in Wake and Johnston Counties to April and May 2023. From this I have taken some screen grabs of construction progress at the I-40 interchange and between the end of the Clayton Bypass and the Neuse River bridge, such as with bridge construction at Wilsons Mills Road:


and posted them on my Future I-42 webpage at: https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut42.html#newphotos

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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1078 on: July 07, 2023, 10:35:56 PM »

Another closure of US 70 West (Future I-42) along the Clayton Bypass at NC 42 this weekend to allow contractors to complete work on the new ramp from US 70 West to I-40 West as part of the Complete NC 540 project:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-07-07-us-70-access-i-40-closing.aspx

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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1079 on: July 07, 2023, 10:39:33 PM »

The Interstate 42 marker at the eastern end of the Goldsboro Bypass is gone from Google Maps (only Bypass 70 is designated on the map). No worries since none of Interstate 42 is signposted along the US 70 corridor.
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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1080 on: July 22, 2023, 09:54:58 PM »

Two news items regarding I-42 from this past week:
1. A public radio report on the progress in building I-42 in Carteret and Craven Counties indicates NCDOT may be looking at the NC 101 corridor instead of US 70 to complete the interstate between the Havelock Bypass and Morehead City:
https://www.publicradioeast.org/pre-news/2023-02-24/whats-next-for-the-hwy-70-upgrades-in-craven-carteret-counties
2. For those who didn't see this in under the North Carolina topic, NCDOT is proposing replacing NC 42 with NC 36 in the vicinity of the Clayton Bypass when I-42 is signed and US 70 moved back to its original routing, hopefully to reduce confusion between I-42 and NC 42:
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article277460313.html

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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1081 on: July 23, 2023, 01:08:33 AM »

That last segment is going to be the most complicated, involved, and expensive. I was genuinely expecting them to simply end the interstate at the Havelock Bypass but if they constructed some sort of northern arc to link near Beaufort, that would be an interesting design. I could see them just reasonably terminating at Beaufort and letting traffic use the existing US-70 road heading back westbound to connect to Morehead City.
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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1082 on: July 23, 2023, 04:41:31 PM »

I would renumber all of NC 42 to NC 36, decommissioning the 42 designation entirely. Either that, or leave the NC 42 designation unaltered.
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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1083 on: July 23, 2023, 05:00:12 PM »

I would renumber all of NC 42 to NC 36, decommissioning the 42 designation entirely. Either that, or leave the NC 42 designation unaltered.

yea, the suggested "solution" will make it more confusing.
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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1084 on: July 23, 2023, 05:54:51 PM »

I would renumber all of NC 42 to NC 36, decommissioning the 42 designation entirely. Either that, or leave the NC 42 designation unaltered.

yea, the suggested "solution" will make it more confusing.
I agree. I say leave NC 42 as it is with no change. Folks know the difference between an interstate and a 2-lane state highway.

NC 42 is 223 miles long and people hate to have their addresses changed. That’s why NCDOT didn’t go for changing all of it to NC 36. Too much blowback.
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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1085 on: July 23, 2023, 05:58:58 PM »

Folks know the difference between an interstate and a 2-lane state highway.
If EMS hears “42” , they may think NC-42 when the incident is actually on I-42, or vice versa. It’s more than just folks knowing the difference between an interstate and two-lane road.

It can also be confusing for non-locals or even locals just hearing “Route 42”  or “42” . There’s plenty of reason to make the change now and eliminate the “42 / 42”  interchange scenario.
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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1086 on: July 24, 2023, 01:19:59 AM »

Folks know the difference between an interstate and a 2-lane state highway.
If EMS hears “42” , they may think NC-42 when the incident is actually on I-42, or vice versa. It’s more than just folks knowing the difference between an interstate and two-lane road.

It can also be confusing for non-locals or even locals just hearing “Route 42”  or “42” . There’s plenty of reason to make the change now and eliminate the “42 / 42”  interchange scenario.


Nope. with modern technology, EMS can tell the difference between I-42 and NC 42. As for non-locals, they do know the difference between an interstate and a state road. No excuses as there are plenty of similar situations everywhere in the US.
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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1087 on: July 24, 2023, 02:40:44 AM »

Nope. with modern technology, EMS can tell the difference between I-42 and NC 42.
If an officer or ambulance is dispatched to “42”  to respond to an accident, for example, and there’s no clarity / emphasis given on “Interstate” , then it is not clear.

“Modern technology”  doesn’t fix that.

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If someone says take “Route 42” , how do they “know”  the difference?

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No excuses as there are plenty of similar situations everywhere in the US.
There must be some ” excuses”  given the fact NCDOT is doing something to address this :wow:
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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1088 on: July 24, 2023, 10:31:29 AM »

If EMS does make a mistake, let's hope they don't realize their mistake too late. Also, the dispatchers should make the callers clarify whether they are on the state highway or the Interstate.
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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1089 on: July 24, 2023, 03:20:18 PM »

If EMS does make a mistake, let's hope they don't realize their mistake too late. Also, the dispatchers should make the callers clarify whether they are on the state highway or the Interstate.

This above. EMS do make mistakes, I am sure. Everybody does. NCDOT has no reason to propose a change. If they're going to proceed with that change.. something similar should have been done with the I-74/US 74 thing...
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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1090 on: July 24, 2023, 05:00:23 PM »

EMS do make mistakes, I am sure. Everybody does.
Which is reason to make minor changes that will help reduce the likelihood of mistakes from happening.

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And yet for some reason they are…  :hmmm:

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If they're going to proceed with that change.. something similar should have been done with the I-74/US 74 thing...
I-74 / US-74 is fully concurrent from Rockingham eastward. That little dogleg south of Bolton towards Myrtle Beach will never be built. It can be a little confusing near Rockingham, I admit, but I-73 is the leading designation north of there, not I-74, so that helps some.
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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1091 on: July 24, 2023, 09:33:02 PM »

Nobody bothered to renumber NC 73 when I-73 was first designated, so why do it to NC 42? As it is, I really don't see any problem with two routes of the same number meeting each other. And if NC 36 were to take over NC 42, why not redo the entire road instead of just the immediate segment that will meet the Interstate? I see rampant confusion arising when 42 magically becomes 36, and then goes back to 42 again.
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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1092 on: July 25, 2023, 12:12:09 AM »

EMS do make mistakes, I am sure. Everybody does.
Which is reason to make minor changes that will help reduce the likelihood of mistakes from happening.

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NCDOT has no reason to propose a change.
And yet for some reason they are…  :hmmm:

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If they're going to proceed with that change.. something similar should have been done with the I-74/US 74 thing...
I-74 / US-74 is fully concurrent from Rockingham eastward. That little dogleg south of Bolton towards Myrtle Beach will never be built. It can be a little confusing near Rockingham, I admit, but I-73 is the leading designation north of there, not I-74, so that helps some.

Well I-74 and US 74 are like I-41 and US 41. Both are the same road east of Rockingham so no conflict.  In WI I’m sure no EMS gets the two concurrent 41’s crossed in translation for obvious reasons so why should they at least east of Rockingham.
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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1093 on: July 25, 2023, 08:36:22 AM »

I would renumber all of NC 42 to NC 36, decommissioning the 42 designation entirely. Either that, or leave the NC 42 designation unaltered.

yea, the suggested "solution" will make it more confusing.
I agree. I say leave NC 42 as it is with no change. Folks know the difference between an interstate and a 2-lane state highway.

NC 42 is 223 miles long and people hate to have their addresses changed. That’s why NCDOT didn’t go for changing all of it to NC 36. Too much blowback.

I don't know how the braintrust at NCDOT did not foresee the numbering conflict with I-42 and NC 42 crossing paths.  :hmmm:
They should have stuck with their originally proposed Interstate 36, and insisted that AASHTO concur.

From the May 25, 2016 AASHTO Meeting Notes:
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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1094 on: July 25, 2023, 08:42:11 AM »

With regards to confusion between I-42 and NC 42, dare I mention I-74 and US 74 in the same state?
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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1095 on: July 25, 2023, 08:51:49 AM »

Haines City, Florida has US 17 and FL 17 intersect each other.

Folkston, GA has both US 23 and GA 23 run concurrently.

WI has I-41 and US 41 as I mentioned before.

Not an isolated thing.
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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1096 on: July 25, 2023, 08:58:08 AM »

I-41 and US 41 shouldn’t even count, because they are concurrent for the entire length of I-41. Can’t confuse two routes if they never leave each other.

I argue any US/state crossing is worse because the Interstate shield at least generally comes with some uniqueness and recognition that the US shield does not. A lot of people have no idea there’s a difference between US highways and state routes. If your state is prone to US/SR shield errors, that makes it even worse. US 27/GA 27 in Lumpkin is probably the worst in that regard - although the signs are all right at the intersection itself, there are numerous shield type errors within 20 miles. That’s unfortunately common in some states, but I’ve never heard of shield errors involving an Interstate confused with a US or state highway.

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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1097 on: July 25, 2023, 09:10:58 AM »

I-41 and US 41 shouldn’t even count, because they are concurrent for the entire length of I-41. Can’t confuse two routes if they never leave each other.

I argue any US/state crossing is worse because the Interstate shield at least generally comes with some uniqueness and recognition that the US shield does not. A lot of people have no idea there’s a difference between US highways and state routes. If your state is prone to US/SR shield errors, that makes it even worse. US 27/GA 27 in Lumpkin is probably the worst in that regard - although the signs are all right at the intersection itself, there are numerous shield type errors within 20 miles. That’s unfortunately common in some states, but I’ve never heard of shield errors involving an Interstate confused with a US or state highway.

That’s why the Northeast frowns upon duplicate route numbers.

Florida we say State Road 17 for FL 17 and US 17 for US 17 in talk. I know other states say “ Route”  for US or state designations that confuse people especially when close together.

Delaware has a US 9 and DE 9, but miles apart to confuse Route 9 ( US 9) in Sussex County and Route 9 ( DE 9) in Kent and New Castle Counties.
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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1098 on: July 25, 2023, 09:15:39 AM »

With regards to confusion between I-42 and NC 42, dare I mention I-74 and US 74 in the same state?
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EMS do make mistakes, I am sure. Everybody does.
Which is reason to make minor changes that will help reduce the likelihood of mistakes from happening.

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NCDOT has no reason to propose a change.
And yet for some reason they are…  :hmmm:

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If they're going to proceed with that change.. something similar should have been done with the I-74/US 74 thing...
I-74 / US-74 is fully concurrent from Rockingham eastward. That little dogleg south of Bolton towards Myrtle Beach will never be built. It can be a little confusing near Rockingham, I admit, but I-73 is the leading designation north of there, not I-74, so that helps some.
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Re: Interstate 42
« Reply #1099 on: July 25, 2023, 12:01:35 PM »

That’s unfortunately common in some states, but I’ve never heard of shield errors involving an Interstate confused with a US or state highway.

VA 564 shield:  http://www.vahighways.com/photos/hamptonroads/va564sign-error.jpg

I-77 in an SR marker: http://www.vahighways.com/errors/77inrectangle.jpg

At least the colors were right on this monstrosity - http://www.vahighways.com/errors/us81error.jpg

Pennsylvania has quite a few PA 76 shields out there.  Here's one - https://goo.gl/maps/vWrTNa3BgaDNhfsK7
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