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2022 FIFA World Cup
NWI_Irish96:
As expected, Mexico and the US wrapped up their spots tonight, bringing the total number of qualified teams to 29:
UEFA: Serbia, Spain, Switzerland, France, Belgium, Denmark, Netherlands, Croatia, England, Germany, Portugal, Poland
AFC: Qatar (hosts), Iran, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Japan
CONMEBOL: Brazil, Argentina, Ecuador, Uruguay
CAF: Ghana, Senegal, Tunisia, Morocco, Cameroon
CONCACAF: Canada, Mexicao, USA
The final three spots will get decided in June:
AFC Playoff: Australia vs UAE, with the winner advancing to the AFC-CONMEBOL playoff against Peru
CONCACAF-OFC playoff: Costa Rica vs New Zealand
UEFA Playoff: Scotland vs Ukraine, with the winner playing Wales
The draw for the group stage will be Friday. Teams are placed into four pots based on FIFA rankings updated to include today's matches.
The hosts, Qatar, go into Pot 1 along with the seven highest ranked qualified teams: BRA, BEL, FRA, ARG, ENG, ESP, POR
Next eight highest ranked qualified teams go into Pot 2: NED, GER, MEX, USA, DEN, SUI, CRO, URU
Next eight highest ranked qualified teams go into Pot 3: SEN, IRN, JAP, MAR, SRB, POL, KOR, TUN
Lowest ranked qualified teams go into Pot 4: CAN, CMR, ECU, KSA, GHA
The three June playoff winners will also go into Pot 4.
As hosts, Qatar are placed into Group A. The rest of the Pot 1 teams are randomly drawn into groups B-H.
Then the Pot 2 teams are randomly drawn into groups A-H, and the same for Pot 3, then Pot 4.
There can be no more than 2 European teams per group, and no more than 1 from any other confederation.
NWI_Irish96:
If you want to know what the dream draw for the US or Mexico would be, it would be getting drawn into Group A with Qatar, Poland and Ghana. To make it even better, looking ahead to the knockout round, it would include Croatia, Tunisia and Saudi Arabia in Group B, and Portugal heading Group C.
english si:
--- Quote from: 1995hoo on March 30, 2022, 04:41:50 PM ---On the other hand, why should they categorically ban smaller countries from hosting the World Cup just because of a preference for spreading it out more?
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It's only a preference if you think safe, secure and well-run events are optional. I know that having a World Cup in Qatar has already compromised that, but...
Co-hosted competitions are perfectly possible and are fairly common (Euro 2000, ACN 2000, WC 2002, Gold Cup 2003, Asian Cup 2008, ACN 2012, Gold Cup 2015, Gold Cup 2019, Euro 2020). And likely the norm in the future World Cups - FIFA going 48 teams has basically ruled out all but the very biggest countries from sensibly being able to host it alone.
The USA didn't think they could go it alone. England felt it needed some help to do it (though that 5-association bid is now for Euro 2028). Spain feels it needs to do a joint bid with Portugal. All three of those are big enough to have the 16 stadiums necessary, but felt that their smaller neighbours helping out would make it easier.
--- Quote from: cabiness42 on March 30, 2022, 04:43:10 PM ---Small countries can always jointly host with another country. Qatar could have done a joint bid with Saudi Arabia.
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I think politics would have stopped that as there's some beef between those countries.
NWI_Irish96:
--- Quote from: english si on March 31, 2022, 09:20:25 AM ---
--- Quote from: 1995hoo on March 30, 2022, 04:41:50 PM ---On the other hand, why should they categorically ban smaller countries from hosting the World Cup just because of a preference for spreading it out more?
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It's only a preference if you think safe, secure and well-run events are optional. I know that having a World Cup in Qatar has already compromised that, but...
Co-hosted competitions are perfectly possible and are fairly common (Euro 2000, ACN 2000, WC 2002, Gold Cup 2003, Asian Cup 2008, ACN 2012, Gold Cup 2015, Gold Cup 2019, Euro 2020). And likely the norm in the future World Cups - FIFA going 48 teams has basically ruled out all but the very biggest countries from sensibly being able to host it alone.
The USA didn't think they could go it alone. England felt it needed some help to do it (though that 5-association bid is now for Euro 2028). Spain feels it needs to do a joint bid with Portugal. All three of those are big enough to have the 16 stadiums necessary, but felt that their smaller neighbours helping out would make it easier.
--- Quote from: cabiness42 on March 30, 2022, 04:43:10 PM ---Small countries can always jointly host with another country. Qatar could have done a joint bid with Saudi Arabia.
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I think politics would have stopped that as there's some beef between those countries.
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The US certainly could have done it alone. Probably the only country that could actually do a 48 team tournament without crowding too many games into a single city. There are plenty of cities that could host games that aren't in 2026. Chicago, Indianapolis, Detroit to name a few. I think the joint bid was a way to make the bid stronger, and to give Mexico and Canada a chance to host where they otherwise never would be able to.
As for Qatar/KSA, yeah, that was a bad example of a possible joint bid. But then, if Qatar can't get along with their neighbor, maybe that's another sign they shouldn't be hosting.
english si:
--- Quote from: cabiness42 on March 31, 2022, 09:08:57 AM ---Group A with Qatar, Poland and Ghana.
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Still pretty hard. The Asian champions, and two other decent sides.
I'd suggest England (who find the US a bogey team at World Cups), Tunisia, and Saudi Arabia (both of whom perform poorly at World Cups in general) would be the dream draw for the US.
We'd very happily take that group too, though we'd prefer Mexico from that very solid second pot as last time England was in a group with the US, the US won the group.
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