AASHTO Meeting in Denver

[Grzrd]

I know several people on the Forum look forward to those times when AASHTO posts its route numbering decisions.  The Agenda indicates that the Special Committee on Route Numbering is scheduled to meet today from 5:30 pm to 6:30 pm Mountain Time:



I hope they will post the results relatively quickly this time around. The Board does not meet until Monday, October 21 from 9:30 am to 5:00 pm Mountain; their decision would make the route decisions "official".  With a little bit of luck, maybe a posting by Thursday or Friday of next week.

It's also interesting to look at other topics discussed at the meeting.

[bob7374]

AASHTO has posted the SCOH meeting results. Lots to love if you're fans of I-49, I-69 or St. Louis interstates.

http://route.transportation.org/Documents/Report%20to%20SCOH%20USRN%20AM2013%20Oct18.pdf

[Alex]

AASHTO has posted the SCOH meeting results. Lots to love if you're fans of I-49, I-69 or St. Louis interstates.

http://route.transportation.org/Documents/Report%20to%20SCOH%20USRN%20AM2013%20Oct18.pdf

After all these months, I still cannot get transportation.org to load on my PC (maybe Brighthouse is blocked from there server?). Can someone do a NE2-style summary of the changes?

[TheStranger]

AASHTO has posted the SCOH meeting results. Lots to love if you're fans of I-49, I-69 or St. Louis interstates.

http://route.transportation.org/Documents/Report%20to%20SCOH%20USRN%20AM2013%20Oct18.pdf

So US 1 is now bypassing much of its downtown Miami segment in favor of continuing up I-95 and then east on what is currently FL 970 (with US 41's southern terminus now being northbound Brickell at 4th Street).

What is the exact routing for the US 40 realignment in Lawrence, KS?

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Changes:

- Past actions approved: 785 from I-40 to US 70 (NC), I-86 (eastern) from SR 532 to NY/PA line, I-69E along the spur from I-37, I-370 officially applied to the length of freeway up to where MD 200 begins

- I-49 officially established in Arkansas

- I-69 extension established in Indiana, I-164 to be supplanted by I-69

- I-44 extended north up old I-70, I-70 on new Mississippi River crossing

- new Business US 64 in Vilonia, AR

- US 67 on freeway alignment in Walnut Ridge, AR

- the aforementioned US 1 shift in Miami

- US 40 realigned in Lawrence, KS starting at its junction with the South Lawrence Trafficway/K-10

- elimination of Business US 40 in Russell, KS

- US 62 relocation to a bypass in Cynthiana, KY

- withdrawn applications for relocated US 85 alignments in two North Dakota communities (Alexander, Watford City)

[NE2]

I guess we'll have to bug them about posting the complete applications again.

US 1 is being moved onto I-95 south of downtown Miami. The last bit north of US 41 will become an extension of (or remain per some sources) US 41, while the rest is presumably being dropped from the state highway system, necessitating the realignment.

USBR 50 (Maryland) is an existing path along the old C&O Canal to Cumberland and the Great Allegheny Passage rail trail to the state line. Except for a small gap at McKeesport, the GAP/future USBR 50 continues all the way to Pittsburgh.

[NE2]

After all these months, I still cannot get transportation.org to load on my PC (maybe Brighthouse is blocked from there server?). Can someone do a NE2-style summary of the changes?

My summaries were more useful when each application had a separate link. Here's the text (tiny to not flood the thread):

SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON US ROUTE NUMBERING
MEETING MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 17, 2013
AND REPORT TO SCOH OCTOBER 18, 2013
SHERATON DOWNTOWN DENVER, DENVER, COLORADO
The meeting of the Special Committee on U.S. Route Numbering convened at 5:40PM in Denver,
Colorado. Present were the Chair: Greg Johnson, MI — Region 3, Members: Rich Tetreault, VT - Region
1, Mark McConnell, MS — Region 2, John Barton, TX - Region 4, Marty Vitale, AASHTO, Secretary, Jim
McDonnell, Program Director for Engineering and Korean Engineering Fellow, Jinwoo Park. Guests from
Kansas, Illinois and Minnesota were also in attendance.
FHWA Actions on Past Interstate Requests that were approved by the USRN were presented and
conditions were lifted.
FHWA Approval
Date
Interstate
Route
State  Start  End  AASHTO Approval
Date
07-31-13  785  NC  US 70  I-40  Fall 1997
07-31-13  86  NY  SR 532   NY/PA State Line  Spring 1998
07-31-13  69E  TX  US 77  I-37  Spring 2013
08-07-13  370  MD  Sam Eig
Hwy
Inter-County
Connector
Fall 2012
Decisions by the Special Committee (copy attached) were finalized for 17 applications from 10 member
departments approved and the following with conditions. Approved with conditions are:
-  Arkansas — I-49 (future) Establishment: FHWA Approval
-  Illinois — I-70 Relocation: FHWA Approval
-  Indiana — I-69 Establishment: FHWA Approval
-  Indiana — I-164 Elimination: FHWA Approval
-  Missouri — I-44 Extension: FHWA Approval
-  Missouri — I-70 Relocation: FHWA Approval
Withdrawn is North Dakota — US-85 Relocation (Alexander) and US-85 Relocation ((Watford City).
The USRN continuance of the database and the scanning project were discussed and AASHTO is
actively working on both projects. A presentation at the next AASHTO annual meeting will be offered to
SCOH on US Route Numbering procedures and its history.
The next meeting will be at the AASHTO 2014 Spring Meeting in Louisville, Kentucky in late May. The
Chair, Greg Johnson will not be present and Mark McConnell, MS (Region 2) will preside as chair.
The USRN meeting adjourned at 6:20PM.
Respectfully submitted by
Marty Vitale, AASHTO
Secretary for the Special Committee on U.S. Route Numbering
1.
State  Route Number  Description  USRN
Decision
Arkansas  I-49 (future)
Establishment
The route begins at the Louisiana State Line and travels
north to the Missouri State Line over existing interstate-type
facilities. It will also travel over future new location facilities.
The route travels in a south to north direction. The local
cities along the route are Doddridge, Texarkana, Fort Smith,
Fayetteville, Springdale, Rogers and Bentonville, Arkansas.
The route is 135 miles long in Arkansas and ends at the
Missouri State Line. Item No. 3694 - Arkansas - US 64 -Relocation of a U.S. (Interstate) Route. The route begins 2
miles west of Vilonia, Arkansas. The route travels south of
Vilonia, Arkansas. The route is a four-lane, divided roadway
on new location. The route travels in a west-east direction in
Arkansas. The focal city is Vilonia, Arkansas. The route is
9.66 miles long. The route ends 1 mile east of Vilonia,
Arkansas.
4-Affirmative
with Condition
(FHWA
approval)
Arkansas  US 64B
Recognition of a
Business Route
The route begins 2 miles west of Vilonia, Arkansas. The
route travels through the City of Vilonia, Arkansas. The route
is a two-lane, undivided roadway on existing location. The
route travels in a west-east direction in Arkansas. The focal
city is Vilonia, Arkansas. The route is 8.37 miles long. The
route ends 1 mile east of Vilonia, Arkansas.
4-Affirmative
Arkansas  US-67 Relocation   The new location route in this application begins at Arkansas
State Highway 18 in Newport. It travels north to U.S.
Highway 63 in Walnut Ridge/Hoxie. The route is being
constructed on new location to Interstate standards. The
route travels in a south-north direction in Arkansas. The focal
points of this application are Newport, Walnut Ridge, and
Hoxie, Arkansas. This new location section is 34.14 miles
long. The route ends at U.S. Highway 63 in Walnut
Ridge/Hoxie.
4-Affirmative
Florida  US-1 —
Relocation
Begins at Intersection of SR 5/ Brickell Ave and SR 9A/I-95
(Where the I-95 gore meets SR 5) to the portion of US-1 is
being rerouted through the existing I-95 corridor to the SR
970/Downtown Distributor within the City of Miami traveling
over an Existing Pathway North/South through the City of
Miami and the route will cover 2.515 centerline miles ending
at Intersection of SR 970/ Downtown Distributor and SE 2nd
Avenue.
4-Affirmative
Florida  US-41- Extension   Route begins at Intersection of SR 90 /SE 8th Street and
Brickell Ave. This portion of US-41 extends from SE 8th St
north along the existing Brickell Avenue Corridor up to the
intersection of US-1/SR 5/ Biscayne Blvd Way. It will no
longer be concurrent with US 1, which is being relocated.
Traveling over an Existing Pathway going North/South To the
City of Miami. Total number of miles the route will cover
0.333 centerline miles and ends at Intersection of Brickell
Ave and US-1/SR 5/ Biscayne Blvd Way
4-Affirmative
State  Route Number  Description  USRN
Decision
Illinois  I-70 Relocation   The route begins at the Missouri-Illinois state line along the
alignment of the new Interstate 70 Mississippi River Bridge
Connecting to existing Interstate 55/70 west of the IL 203
interchange with existing I-55/70 in Madison, IL New
Interstate 70 alignment traveling in an Easterly direction to St.
Clair County in IL for 3.7 miles (MO and IL); 2.9 miles (IL
only) and ends West of the IL 203 interchange with existing I-55/70 in Madison, IL
4-Affirmative
with Condition
(FHWA
approval)
Indiana  I-69
Establishment
The section in reference of this request begins at the
interchange of I-64/I-69 in Gibson County, Indiana and goes
from I-64/I-69 to US 41. I-69 will be traveling over an existing
facility traveling southerly over an existing facility, formerly
designated I-164, to the south side of the city of Evansville
and then westerly to the interchange at US 41. The City of
Evansville, IN is the focal point city. This segment of I-69 that
is proposed to be renamed, re-signed and routed over an
existing facility is approximately 20.70 miles long and
terminates at the interchange of US 41 on the south side of
the city of Evansville.
4-Affirmative
with Condition
(FHWA
approval)
Indiana  I-164 Elimination  Currently, the I-164 route begins at the I-64/I-69 interchange
in Gibson County, Indiana. From I-64/I-69 to U.S. 41. I-164
currently travels over an existing facility. Beginning at the I-64/I-69 interchange, the existing segment of I-164 travels
southerly to the south side of the City of Evansville and then
westerly to the interchange at U.S. 41. The City of
Evansville, Indiana is the focal point city for the section in
reference of this request. The overall route length of I-164 is
21.39 miles. The segment of I-164 that is proposed to be
eliminated, renamed and resigned as I-69 over an existing
facility is approximately 20.70 miles long. For this request,
the existing facility to be eliminated for I-164 terminates at the
interchange of U.S. 41 on the south side of the City of
Evansville.
4-Affirmative
with Condition
(FHWA
Approval)
Kansas  US-40 Relocation  The route change begins at AASHTO log mile 44. The route
goes through Lawrence, KS from US 59 to West Lawrence.
The proposed route is partially access controlled, multi-lane,
undivided, with curb and gutter for the part in town, and
shoulders for the part bypassing town. The prevailing
direction in the proposed area is east/west, with AASHTO
miles accumulating from East to West to Lawrence, KS. The
route will cover 10 miles. The proposed route change ends
at AASHTO log mile 54, at the West City Limit of Lawrence
KS, at the center of the interchange of US40 with Kansas
State Highway 10.
4-Affirmative
Kansas  US-40B
Elimination
Route US 40 begins East of Russell, KS through the City of
Russell, KS traveling over mostly Two Lane, Undivided, with
multiple at-grade intersections. The part that rides US81 is
four lanes divided, partially access controlled. The prevailing
direction is from East/West, with AASHTO miles
accumulating from East to West. The focal point city is
Russell, KS and is 6 miles in length. The route ends at US
40 South of Russell, KS
4-Affirmative
State  Route Number  Description  USRN
Decision
Kentucky  US-62 Relocation   The route begins on the north side of Cynthiana in Harrison
County, Kentucky. It continues along the newly constructed
bypass to a junction with existing US 62 and US 27. The
new bypass is a four-lane facility that travels southwest from
the north side of Cynthiana to the south side of Cynthiana.
The facility is approximately 3.5 miles long and ends on the
south side of Cynthiana at the junction with existing US 62
and US 27.
4-Affirmative
Maryland  USBR-50
Establish
The new bicycle route will begin at the Maryland entry of the
C&O Canal Towpath traveling northwesterly for 180 miles
and ends at Canal Place in Cumberland, MD. The path
becomes Great Allegheny Passage at Canal Place and
travels 20 miles northwesterly and ends at the Pennsylvania
state line. The application is signed and approved by James
T. Smith, Jr. He is the Secretary of the Maryland Department
of Transportation.
4-Affirmative
Missouri  I-44 Extension  The state of Missouri is extending Interstate 44 in St. Louis
City, beginning at the existing Interstate 55/44 ramp termini at
Lafayette Avenue and Truman Parkway. The extension will
proceed in a northerly direction, ending at the Interstate 70
ramp termini coming from the new Mississippi River Bridge
(with the extension ending just north of the Madison Street
exit). The interstate 44 extension will be approximately 2.9
miles long and follows along the existing alignments of
Interstates 55 and 70.
4-Affirmative
with Condition
(FHWA
approval).
Missouri  I-70 Relocation  The route will begin at the existing Interstate 55/44 ramp
termini at Lafayette Avenue and Truman Parkway. The
extension will proceed traveling northerly over existing
alignments of Interstates 55 and 70 through the City of St.
Louis continuing to the Interstate 70 ramp termini coming
from the new Mississippi River Bridge, with the extension
ending just north of the Madison Street exit for a length of 2.9
miles.
4-Affirmative
with Condition
(FHWA
approval).
North
Dakota
US-85 Relocation
(Alexander)
Withdrawn
North
Dakota
US-85 Relocation
(Watford City)
Withdrawn
Tennessee  USBR-23
Establish
Establish a bicycle route from Alabama to Kentucky. TOTAL
MILES of USBR 23; USBR 23 SPURS: 172.63 miles.
4-Affirmative
10-18-2013

[NE2]

What is the exact routing for the US 40 realignment in Lawrence, KS?

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=8611.msg231191#msg231191

[Grzrd]

I guess we'll have to bug them about posting the complete applications again.

I've already spoken with Ms. Marty Vitale.  She said that she is organizing binders by state. She is working on it right now so it should not be too long.

[english si]

http://route.transportation.org/Documents/Tennessee%20AM2013%20(Bike%20Route).pdf
http://route.transportation.org/Documents/Missouri%20AM2013.pdf
http://route.transportation.org/Documents/Maryland%20AM2013%20(Bike%20Route).pdf
http://route.transportation.org/Documents/Kentucky%20AM2013.pdf
http://route.transportation.org/Documents/Kansas%20AM2013.pdf
http://route.transportation.org/Documents/Indiana%20AM2013.pdf
http://route.transportation.org/Documents/Illinois%20AM2013.pdf
http://route.transportation.org/Documents/Florida%20AM2013.pdf
http://route.transportation.org/Documents/Arkansas%20AM2013.pdf


Fixed one of the PDF links to add in missing "f". - rmf67

[elsmere241]

http://route.transportation.org/Documents/Indiana%20AM2013.pd

The Indiana link should be http://route.transportation.org/Documents/Indiana%20AM2013.pdf

[hbelkins]

Say goodbye to I-164 in Indiana. It and I-181 can have a reunion of former interstates that were taken over by another number somewhere in Kentucky, halfway between SW Indiana and NE Tennessee.

This Kentucky designation boggles my mind. The logical routing for this new bypass is US 27, not US 62. Somebody in Frankfort must be smoking crack.

[english si]

Say goodbye to I-164 in Indiana. It and I-181 can have a reunion of former interstates that were taken over by another number somewhere in Kentucky, halfway between SW Indiana and NE Tennessee.

Don't forget Future I-130, a route so forgotten that AR forgot to take it off the books! Then again, they didn't remove the I-49/I-40 concurrent sections of I-540 either.

I thought that I-581 was meant to bite the dust and become I-73. But that hasn't happened.

[Revive 755]

AASHTO has posted the SCOH meeting results. Lots to love if you're fans of I-49, I-69 or St. Louis interstates.

Dang - only the interstate adjustments required for the Great Lemon Bridge in St. Louis; you got my hopes up that MoDOT went for an interstate number for MO 364 or tried again for MO 370; or IDOT decided to seek a number for IL 255.

Illinois didn't seek an intestate number for the O'Hare West Bypass at this meeting; I had been previously informed they would.

[hbelkins]

Illinois didn't seek an intestate number for the O'Hare West Bypass at this meeting; I had been previously informed they would.

It died without a will? Too bad. That means the government will decide who gets what from its estate. 

Sorry, couldn't resist...

[NE2]

Oh well, no North Dakota applications.

Arkansas:
I-49 approved
US 64 realigned around Vilonia and US 64 Biz created (open October 2011)
US 67 realigned south of Hoxie (open November 2015) - also includes part already relocated October 2009 south of Highway 226

Florida:
US 1 transferred to the city between I-95 and US 41 (effective September 5, 2013), US 1 realigned onto I-95 and SR 970, US 41 remains on US 1 to SR 970 (not currently signed there)

Illinois-Missouri:
I-70 moved onto new bridge (open January 1, 2014!), I-44 extended to meet it

Indiana:
I-69 replaces I-164, except for the southernmost .69 mi west of US 41 (holy crap, new shortest Interstate?)

Kansas:
US 40 rerouted onto K-10 and US 59 through Lawrence (effective April 5, 2014)
US 40 Biz Russell eliminated (effective September 5, 2013)

Kentucky:
US 62 moved to Cynthiana bypass (open October 2013) - page 3 of this PDF takes forever to load

Maryland:
new USBR 50

Tennessee:
new USBR 23 along I-65 corridor

[rickmastfan67]

After all these months, I still cannot get transportation.org to load on my PC (maybe Brighthouse is blocked from there server?).

You're not the only person who can't access it.   And I have Verizon.

But Alex, here's a way to bypass the problem.  Use a proxy Internet browser.  I used this one and I was able to access all the PDF links posted in this thread.

[PHLBOS]

Florida:
US 1 transferred to the city between I-95 and US 41 (effective September 5, 2013), US 1 realigned onto I-95 and SR 970, US 41 remains on US 1 to SR 970 (not currently signed there)

Out of curiousity, what was the reasoning behind relocating US 1 onto I-95 in this area?

[NE2]

Out of curiousity, what was the reasoning behind relocating US 1 onto I-95 in this area?

It's right in the PDF. Brickell Avenue has become a high-density residential street, not suitable for large amounts of out-of-town traffic.

[agentsteel53]

Oh well, no North Dakota applications.

were you expecting any, due to growth in the Bakken region - or is this an oblique "North Dakota is boring" joke?

[NE2]

They sent in two but withdrew them. All the table says is "US-85 Relocation (Alexander)" and "US-85 Relocation (Watford City)", and the applications weren't posted with the others. Apparently they're building bypasses: http://www.watfordcitynd.com/?id=10&nid=2161

[PHLBOS]

It's right in one of the PDFs that English si posted.

FTFY, the reason being there are more than one post/reply w/linked PDFs in this thread. 

Nonetheless, thanks for the info./answer.

Brickell Avenue has become a high-density residential street, not suitable for large amounts of out-of-town traffic.

From English si's PDF:

The road is now bordered by predominantly by intense, up-scale, high rise condominiums with numerous residents.  The City of Miami and the local residents have a strong desire to make Brickell Ave. more pedestrian friendly and a center of pedestrain activity.

Personal translation: the area has become Yuppie-town; my apologies to the group Lipps Inc.

Seriously, those that developed this corridor into what it is today knew darn well that this road was designated as a US highway & a cross-country one at that beforehand; and would still be used as a local and reliever road should I-95 in that area be shut down for an accident/emergency and/or reconstruction. 

I'd be curious to know when those condos first opened; how were they advertised to potential owners/tenants?  Did the ads. contain the words/phrase ... right along US 1?  If so, talk about hypocrisy or a complete 180.

I noticed on the map graphic (in the fore-mentioned PDF) that Brickell is also marked (at least on the map) as FL 5 (secret designation(?)); will that secret designation remain/become non-secret or be removed as well that stretch as well by FDoT?

This re-route also means that the southernmost part (& its terminus) of I-95 will be multiplexed w/US 1.  One could theoretically truncate I-95 at FL 970/Relocated US 1 and have the remaining 2 miles of expressway be just US 1 (at least by signage); Federal funding, mile marker, and exit number issues aside.

[usends]

US 1 is being moved onto I-95 south of downtown Miami. The last bit north of US 41 will become an extension of (or remain per some sources) US 41, while the rest is presumably being dropped from the state highway system, necessitating the realignment.

That reminds me of this thread...
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2001.msg171130#msg171130
...where it was mentioned that FDoT still considers the US 41 designation to extend to Miami Beach (even though signage begins/ends at Brickell). 
But if that's true, then nothing would be changing as far as US 41 is concerned, correct?  And FDoT wouldn't have needed to submit a request to AASHTO?

[Brandon]

Changes:

- I-44 extended north up old I-70, I-70 on new Mississippi River crossing

This will give I-44 the distinction of starting in the wrong direction (heading west to go east) and ending in the wrong direction as that section will take I-44 East toward the west.

[Anthony_JK]

Kinda surprised that Louisiana didn't make even an initial attempt to sign the finished freeway segments of US 90 between Lafayette and New Orleans as Future I-49.  Oh, well, maybe next year...

[BrianP]

I-370 officially applied to the length of freeway up to where MD 200 begins

The part of I-370 that was removed has been designated as MD 200A.