AASHTO Numbering Changes--November 20, 2014

[Alex]

Why has SR 210 not been renumbered as I-210 in California?

Rick

Or I-15, I-905...

Especially I-905 since it was previously approved by AASHTO on December 7, 1984

[CNGL-Leudimin]

I-490 around O'Hare airport caught me. I didn't knew they are going to make a full beltway around ORD...

PS:

I-69EIEIO

That's an upgrade to Farm to Market Road 3043

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=119241358&postcount=10125

[WashuOtaku]

Now up http://route.transportation.org/Documents/USRN%20Report%20to%20SCOH%20AM2014.pdf

AR US63 BUS - new route in Hardy, and relocation of US63

AGAIN?

Why again? This is the first time that's being submitted to AASHTO.

It's at least 5 years late, then. There has been a Hardy Bypass for several years, unless AHTD has bypassed the Bypass?

I drove it in 2007, so at least 7 years late.

Nice rock cuts.

I think it boils down to that some DOTs are proactive and some are reactive.  It also might be that the DOT didn't realize they forgot to make it official; sometimes new administration doesn't know or its simply overlooked and assumed.

[bugo]

AR US63 BUS - new route in Hardy, and relocation of US63

They're just now getting around to rerouting US 63 around Hardy and establishing US 63B? What about US 62 and US 412 which also follow the bypass? Or is there another bypass that I'm not aware of?

[bugo]

Also, I could see a future continuation of US 641 to Florence.

I could see it extended to Cullman.

[sawblade5]

Now up http://route.transportation.org/Documents/USRN%20Report%20to%20SCOH%20AM2014.pdf

AR US63 BUS - new route in Hardy, and relocation of US63

The Link does not work for me.

BTW US-63 in Hardy, AR was already realigned. There was still no designation for Bus-US-63 trough town on the old Route. I have been on this alignment a few times both on the Bypass and the old route. It is a nice stop on the way between Kansas City and Memphis, TN. I can Tell you that the Bypass is very easy to miss as there's not much advanced warning for the turn off, so when you miss the turn you end up on the old route.

[codyg1985]

AR US63 BUS - new route in Hardy, and relocation of US63

They're just now getting around to rerouting US 63 around Hardy and establishing US 63B? What about US 62 and US 412 which also follow the bypass? Or is there another bypass that I'm not aware of?

The signage has been up for US 63 around Hardy and US 63B through Hardy for quite some time now. I believe US 62/412 follow the bypass.

[codyg1985]

Also, I could see a future continuation of US 641 to Florence.

I could see it extended to Cullman.

It would make a lot of sense replacing AL 157, since it is an important route between the Shoals and Cullman. Unfortunately, it looks like US 641's extension puts it ending right in the middle of nowhere along US 64, which means a multiplex going either east or west along US 64 would be required in order to reach a state highway that goes to Florence.

I could see it multiplexing with US 64 between TN 114 and TN 13 at Waynesboro, then following TN 13/AL 17 south to Florence to US 43/72, then it would pick up AL 157 to cross the Patton Island Bridge and then continue along AL 157 south to Cullman.

[Avalanchez71]

Why was US 63B dropped?

[jrouse]

Why has SR 210 not been renumbered as I-210 in California?

Rick

Or I-15, I-905...

There's still some work needed on CA-15 near CA-94 to bring it to Interstate standards.   I'm not sure that the planning people at Caltrans Districts 7 and 11 are all that interested in getting CA-210 and CA-905 designated as Interstate routes.   There's no reason why they couldn't be.

[bugo]

Why was US 63B dropped?

It's AHTD, so there's no telling why. It didn't connect back to 63 on the north side anyway. I would renumber it as AR 463 if it were my choice.

[andy3175]

Why has SR 210 not been renumbered as I-210 in California?

Rick

Or I-15, I-905...

There's still some work needed on CA-15 near CA-94 to bring it to Interstate standards.   I'm not sure that the planning people at Caltrans Districts 7 and 11 are all that interested in getting CA-210 and CA-905 designated as Interstate routes.   There's no reason why they couldn't be.

I spoke with the director of Caltrans District 11, and she acted surprised when I asked her whether SR 15 would become I-15. I don't think a change in status is in the minds of the local maintenance/operational folks. I emailed SANBAG, the local association of governments in San Bernardino to ask about 210, and they never responded, which led me to think that neither Caltrans nor the local planning organization is interested in seeing the designation change from SR to I. With that in mind, I don't know when, if ever, SR 15, SR 210, and SR 905 will be upgraded to Interstate status. I guess someone will have to legislate the Interstate designation into existence. This same reason is why I think SR 58 will remain SR 58 indefinitely, even if it is completed as an Interstate-grade freeway between I-5 and I-15. If that occurs, I think it should be I-40, but ...

[dfwmapper]

Perhaps no one cares because it's SoCal and everyone there refers to them as "the 15", "the 210", and "the 905" anyway. Putting up a different colored sign isn't going to change that.

[mrsman]

Perhaps no one cares because it's SoCal and everyone there refers to them as "the 15", "the 210", and "the 905" anyway. Putting up a different colored sign isn't going to change that.

And not only that but CA is very good about not repeating numbers.  So 15 is really one roadway, regardless of its designation.

FWIW, I prefer seeing the interstate shield for 15 and 210 since most of the length of highway has a designation and I know that if I were following directions that said take the 15 to the 210, I might miss a CA-210, because I'm "programmed" to look for the Interstate designation as well, when referring to this highway.  (I grew up in LA and there was only I-210 until recently, so seeing CA-210 is a little jarring to me.)

[US71]

Why was US 63B dropped?

It's AHTD, so there's no telling why. It didn't connect back to 63 on the north side anyway. I would renumber it as AR 463 if it were my choice.

When was it truncated on the north end?

AHTD does odd things. I would much rather see AR 60 removed at Rudy.

[kendancy66]

Why has SR 210 not been renumbered as I-210 in California?

Rick

Or I-15, I-905...

There's still some work needed on CA-15 near CA-94 to bring it to Interstate standards.   I'm not sure that the planning people at Caltrans Districts 7 and 11 are all that interested in getting CA-210 and CA-905 designated as Interstate routes.   There's no reason why they couldn't be.

I spoke with the director of Caltrans District 11, and she acted surprised when I asked her whether SR 15 would become I-15. I don't think a change in status is in the minds of the local maintenance/operational folks. I emailed SANBAG, the local association of governments in San Bernardino to ask about 210, and they never responded, which led me to think that neither Caltrans nor the local planning organization is interested in seeing the designation change from SR to I. With that in mind, I don't know when, if ever, SR 15, SR 210, and SR 905 will be upgraded to Interstate status. I guess someone will have to legislate the Interstate designation into existence. This same reason is why I think SR 58 will remain SR 58 indefinitely, even if it is completed as an Interstate-grade freeway between I-5 and I-15. If that occurs, I think it should be I-40, but ...

When you are travelling west on I-10 before the CA-210 exit there is new secondary signage for I-210 and Pasadena posted, but I believe the actual exit has CA-210 shields.

[bugo]

Why was US 63B dropped?

It's AHTD, so there's no telling why. It didn't connect back to 63 on the north side anyway. I would renumber it as AR 463 if it were my choice.

When was it truncated on the north end?

Maybe 10 years ago, after the route through downtown was decommed and AR 91 was extended to US 49.

[rickmastfan67]

Have the PDFs for the applications themselves ever been posted?

[robbones]

Why was US 63B dropped?

It's AHTD, so there's no telling why. It didn't connect back to 63 on the north side anyway. I would renumber it as AR 463 if it were my choice.

When was it truncated on the north end?

Maybe 10 years ago, after the route through downtown was decommed and AR 91 was extended to US 49.

They should decommission 64B in Alma. AHTD still hasn't corrected the junction sign on the east end.

[bugo]

Why was US 63B dropped?

It's AHTD, so there's no telling why. It didn't connect back to 63 on the north side anyway. I would renumber it as AR 463 if it were my choice.

When was it truncated on the north end?

Maybe 10 years ago, after the route through downtown was decommed and AR 91 was extended to US 49.

They should decommission 64B in Alma. AHTD still hasn't corrected the junction sign on the east end.

Why? It's no less important than a lot of other business routes.

[Grzrd]

Have the PDFs for the applications themselves ever been posted?

They have just been posted:

http://route.transportation.org/Pages/CommitteeNoticesActionsandApprovals.aspx

[Bickendan]

I like that FL's new USBR 1 codifies 90% of FL A1A into the US (Bike) Highway system.

Speaking of, are there any nationwide maps of the USBRS as approved by AASHTO yet? I think this is NE2's area of expertise.

[NE2]

Speaking of, are there any nationwide maps of the USBRS as approved by AASHTO yet? I think this is NE2's area of expertise.

Small-scale version: http://www.adventurecycling.org/routes-and-maps/us-bicycle-route-system/national-corridor-plan/

I think they've been working with OSM, so you can see the details there. (Note that the East Coast Greenway and Mississippi River Trail are also mapped as national routes.)

[NE2]

Have the PDFs for the applications themselves ever been posted?

They have just been posted:

http://route.transportation.org/Pages/CommitteeNoticesActionsandApprovals.aspx

Sweet. I wonder why the LA US 371 "extension" (recognition of the route to I-49) isn't in the main document.

Massachusetts appears to misunderstand the purpose of the USBRS, in that they're adding disconnected segments of trail rather than a continuous route.