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US199 Historical Information
« on: April 24, 2020, 01:59:55 AM »

I have an interest in old photos and information about US 199. My current interest is the Expressway Portion from Grant's Pass to Riverbanks Rd.  When was the Expressway built and are there any old photos of this section?
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2020, 12:04:39 PM »

Wish I knew!  Have you driven the section which was bypassed when the Collier Tunnel was built?  That is an interesting drive!

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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2020, 01:42:06 PM »

I havenít hit US 199 yet in our blog series but it does have a pretty long history given it was part of Legislative Route 1 on the California side.  I would suggest looking the California Highways & Public Works guides on archive.com.  Those CHPW guides will have a ton of vintage photos and construction dates on when US 199 was shifted around in California.  I donít have a ton of sources for Oregon but there is an Oregon Roads blog series on Blogger that might have what youíre after. 
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2020, 01:47:24 PM »

For what itís worth Doug did touch on US 199 recently in the context of the Winnemucca to the Sea Highway recently:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/04/winnemucca-to-sea-highway.html?m=1
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2020, 04:42:32 PM »

I haven’t hit US 199 yet in our blog series but it does have a pretty long history given it was part of Legislative Route 1 on the California side.  I would suggest looking the California Highways & Public Works guides on archive.com.  Those CHPW guides will have a ton of vintage photos and construction dates on when US 199 was shifted around in California.  I don’t have a ton of sources for Oregon but there is an Oregon Roads blog series on Blogger that might have what you’re after. 

My paternal grandmother came over US 199 before it was even US 199 and did it in a Conestoga wagon as the family moved to Loleta CA, then on to Gold Beach OR after that.  Back then (early 20th century) it was likely a stagecoach route.  One of those came to Coos County back in the 1870's. 

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Re: US199 Historical Information
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2020, 05:21:49 PM »

There's a HISTORIC US 99 facebook group that includes 199, 299, and 399 as valid entries, so they may be able to help.

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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2020, 05:58:18 PM »

I havenít hit US 199 yet in our blog series but it does have a pretty long history given it was part of Legislative Route 1 on the California side.  I would suggest looking the California Highways & Public Works guides on archive.com.  Those CHPW guides will have a ton of vintage photos and construction dates on when US 199 was shifted around in California.  I donít have a ton of sources for Oregon but there is an Oregon Roads blog series on Blogger that might have what youíre after. 

My paternal grandmother came over US 199 before it was even US 199 and did it in a Conestoga wagon as the family moved to Loleta CA, then on to Gold Beach OR after that.  Back then (early 20th century) it was likely a stagecoach route.  One of those came to Coos County back in the 1870's. 

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I read about it once, the corridor definitely a historic stage route.  Thatís why Iíve been kicking myself for not salvaging any US 199 photos off my computer.  I have some of the Redwood Groves but thatís it.  I was actually supposed to drive it for the third time this weekend before things went nuts. 

Regarding US 199 it does come up now and then on the Historic US 99 Facebook group. 
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2020, 08:06:33 PM »

Should you make it to Wolf Creek OR Max (along I-5 between Grants Pass and Roseburg), there is an original stage coach stop that is restored.  Inside is a decent restaurant serving homestyle fried chicken along with other meals made in the same vein.  Rooms can be rented for the night as well.  This facility is run by the State Parks department.

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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2020, 12:23:35 AM »

^^^

I was looking at the references on the Wikipedia page, it was the Park Service articles what I was referring to.  Too bad they come back as dead links now...seems to be a theme with NPS.gov these days.  :meh:

Anyways, I have started something on Gribblenation for US Route 199.  So far I'm through the wagon era through to Oregon Highway 25 and Legislative Route 1.  The major shift of LRN 1 from the Gasquet Toll Road (LRN 1 was extended during the 1919 Third State Highway Bond Act to the Oregon State Line) to the Redwood Highway/Smith River Highway alignment is stated to be open in the April 1925 CHPW.  So far this what I have worked out for the alignment of the Gasquet Toll Road from Crescent City to the Oregon State Line:

-  Elk Valley Road/Sign County Route D2.

-  Howland Hill Road

-  Douglas Park Road

-  South Fork Road

-  US Route 199

-  Gasquet Flat Road

-  Gasquet Middle Fork Road

-  Old Gasquet Toll Road

-  Patrick Creek Road

Regarding vintage photos I can attest the CHPW guides do have plenty of photos.  I have been able to track down not only typical run of California Highway Maps on David Rumsey but a lot for Oregon as well.  Interestingly there appears to have never been a documented Auto Trail over LRN 1 or Oregon Highway 25.

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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2020, 12:00:26 PM »

Found an NPS article on the Gasquet Toll Road which corroborates the missing Wikipedia reference link:

https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/5views/5views3h38.htm

My speculative guess is that this is the article that was referenced on Wikipedia.  The Gasquet Toll Road would have been effectively Legislative Route 1 in California from 1919 to 1925.  I suppose the timing making sense for the 1919 adoption given toll franchises typically had a 25 right to their road.  That would explain why the Gasquet Toll Road wasnít part of the 1909 First State Highway Bond act version of Legislative Route 1; the state didnít want to buy it.  I wouldnít want to buy a toll road when I could get from Del Norte County within a couple years either...smart move IMO. 
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2020, 12:52:18 PM »

Here is something for the Crescent City & Yreka Turnpike Company.  Essentially they built the plank road over Oregon Mountain that is now Wilmer Road along with the General
Right of way for current US 199 in Oregon and OR 238.  This is another substitute for the dead Wikipedia link:

https://www.cagenweb.org/delnorte/history_crescent_city.html
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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2020, 01:55:35 PM »

Should you make it to Wolf Creek OR Max (along I-5 between Grants Pass and Roseburg), there is an original stage coach stop that is restored.  Inside is a decent restaurant serving homestyle fried chicken along with other meals made in the same vein.  Rooms can be rented for the night as well.  This facility is run by the State Parks department.

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Well it is an Old US 99 thing it looks so that might something I look at whenever I can get back executing the planned trip that was supposed to commence this weekend. 
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Re: US199 Historical Information
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2020, 05:01:20 PM »

Should you make it to Wolf Creek OR Max (along I-5 between Grants Pass and Roseburg), there is an original stage coach stop that is restored.  Inside is a decent restaurant serving homestyle fried chicken along with other meals made in the same vein.  Rooms can be rented for the night as well.  This facility is run by the State Parks department.

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Well it is an Old US 99 thing it looks so that might something I look at whenever I can get back executing the planned trip that was supposed to commence this weekend. 

The best laid plans of mice and men...LOL!  Our forum will be richer when you get out on da' road and start taking pix, then telling us the stories of the routes you drive.  Besides, you are saving me gas :-)

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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2020, 05:17:43 PM »

Should you make it to Wolf Creek OR Max (along I-5 between Grants Pass and Roseburg), there is an original stage coach stop that is restored.  Inside is a decent restaurant serving homestyle fried chicken along with other meals made in the same vein.  Rooms can be rented for the night as well.  This facility is run by the State Parks department.

Rick

Well it is an Old US 99 thing it looks so that might something I look at whenever I can get back executing the planned trip that was supposed to commence this weekend. 

The best laid plans of mice and men...LOL!  Our forum will be richer when you get out on da' road and start taking pix, then telling us the stories of the routes you drive.  Besides, you are saving me gas :-)

Rick

Short term weíll see how the ďtelling talesĒ part goes.  I anticipate being done with the US Route 199 article this weekend.  My photo stock of US 199 sucks so weíll see how fleshing it out with Google, the Post Mile Tool, and a couple others sources works for the route log.  Iím pretty happy with the story narrative so far regarding the history of the highway.  But to that end the second I can get back out on some long distance trip I will be.  Really the only obligation holding me back is work at the moment...which limits me to day trip distance.

To that end, man am I glad that got that Mexico trip in when I did.  The shit really hit the fan in the first two weeks after I got back. 
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Re: US199 Historical Information
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2020, 08:16:01 PM »

I have an interest in old photos and information about US 199. My current interest is the Expressway Portion from Grant's Pass to Riverbanks Rd.  When was the Expressway built and are there any old photos of this section?

I drove 199 in both directions in December of 2018.  The expressway seemed new to me, which probably just means it was built after about 2000.  Cave Junction sure seemed a whole lot bigger.  Sorry that's not very much help, I have no photos.
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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2020, 08:44:36 PM »

I have an interest in old photos and information about US 199. My current interest is the Expressway Portion from Grant's Pass to Riverbanks Rd.  When was the Expressway built and are there any old photos of this section?

I drove 199 in both directions in December of 2018.  The expressway seemed new to me, which probably just means it was built after about 2000.  Cave Junction sure seemed a whole lot bigger.  Sorry that's not very much help, I have no photos.

It would be nice to see US 199 get 4-laned all the way to the south end of Cave Junction.  The amount of small towns between the two cities plus the tourist draw that is the caves themselves generating traffic would suggest such.  Of course ODOT will never see the light so we will never see such upgrading take place any time soon.

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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2020, 12:11:02 AM »

I'm presently going through the CHPW volumes looking for anything US 199 related.  In the July/August 1929 issue there is an article detailing the opening the Hiouchi Bridge on the Smith River on June 22nd. 

https://archive.org/details/californiahighwa192729calirich/page/n495/mode/2up/search/Crescent+City
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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2020, 12:36:41 AM »

This is the 1935 California Division of Highways Map of Del Norte County.  US 199/LRN 1 can be seen departing US 101 via Parkway Drive in Crescent City.  US 199/LRN 1 can be seen climbing Oregon Mountain Road to the Oregon State Line above where the Collier Tunnel is now.  Notably the Old Gasquet Toll Road can be seen north of US 199 starting at Adams Station:

https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~247277~5515349:Del-Norte-County-?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:california%20division%20of%20highways%20del%20norte;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=0&trs=1

Also, I believe the Crescent City & Yreka Turnpike Company Road is what is shown at T.19N.R.2EH.
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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2020, 01:10:24 AM »

The section between Helms Road and OR 99 has been around since the 1970s, since I'm seeing it without signs of fresh construction in 1982 imagery on Historic Aerials.

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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2020, 10:03:27 AM »

Hiouchi Bridge on bridgehunter, lots of photos:

https://bridgehunter.com/ca/del-norte/hiouchi/
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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2020, 12:00:30 PM »

Hiouchi Bridge on bridgehunter, lots of photos:

https://bridgehunter.com/ca/del-norte/hiouchi/

The last photo showing the bridge painted white as portrayed on a postcard sure looks gorgeous!  Imagine finding such an attractive bridge in the middle of nowhere back in the day.  It would have been a real highlight of the drive along US 199, which is filled with highlights!

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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2020, 01:08:29 PM »

Hiouchi Bridge on bridgehunter, lots of photos:

https://bridgehunter.com/ca/del-norte/hiouchi/

The last photo showing the bridge painted white as portrayed on a postcard sure looks gorgeous!  Imagine finding such an attractive bridge in the middle of nowhere back in the day.  It would have been a real highlight of the drive along US 199, which is filled with highlights!

Rick

Too bad a truck destroyed it in the 1980s, that seems to be a common theme with truss spans. 
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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2020, 01:14:34 PM »

Hiouchi Bridge on bridgehunter, lots of photos:

https://bridgehunter.com/ca/del-norte/hiouchi/

The last photo showing the bridge painted white as portrayed on a postcard sure looks gorgeous!  Imagine finding such an attractive bridge in the middle of nowhere back in the day.  It would have been a real highlight of the drive along US 199, which is filled with highlights!

Rick

Too bad a truck destroyed it in the 1980s, that seems to be a common theme with truss spans. 

I wondered what happened to it!  Too bad.
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« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2020, 01:37:20 PM »

Hiouchi Bridge on bridgehunter, lots of photos:

https://bridgehunter.com/ca/del-norte/hiouchi/

The last photo showing the bridge painted white as portrayed on a postcard sure looks gorgeous!  Imagine finding such an attractive bridge in the middle of nowhere back in the day.  It would have been a real highlight of the drive along US 199, which is filled with highlights!

Rick

Too bad a truck destroyed it in the 1980s, that seems to be a common theme with truss spans. 

I wondered what happened to it!  Too bad.

Demolished and replaced with the boring cookie cutter bridge thatís there now.  The current bridge in particular is the worst kind of cookie cutter bland too, it really doesnít match what is a really pretty river. 
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