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I-83 Improvements
« on: September 27, 2021, 09:33:34 AM »

I see right now a big plan is underway to make I-83 more interstate than the pre interstate freeway of US 230 Bypass, itís former route before the Interstates came into play.

If you live in the area you have seen the replacements of both US 22 and Union Deposit Road overpasses to allow for more lanes on the freeway.  The original bridges looked like the Derry Street overpass over US 322 which were built for only four lanes, but now six lanes plus auxiliary lanes are needed for I-83. 

The project is in five phases as more is to come including possibly building a toll bridge in place of the South Bridge across the Susquehanna River instead of giving it a replacement out of tax dollars.  Then there are other widening concerns that will soon be addressed as well. 

My interest in it is what about the Eisenhower Interchange which I do not see as part of this as with a six lane I-83 through there would need a complete overhaul to handle the extra lanes.  Maybe itís included but not worth talking about, so that is why. Anyway glad to see PennDOT moving into the future instead of the past.
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Re: I-83 Improvements
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2021, 01:13:08 PM »

I see right now a big plan is underway to make I-83 more interstate than the pre interstate freeway of US 230 Bypass, itís former route before the Interstates came into play.

If you live in the area you have seen the replacements of both US 22 and Union Deposit Road overpasses to allow for more lanes on the freeway.  The original bridges looked like the Derry Street overpass over US 322 which were built for only four lanes, but now six lanes plus auxiliary lanes are needed for I-83. 

The project is in five phases as more is to come including possibly building a toll bridge in place of the South Bridge across the Susquehanna River instead of giving it a replacement out of tax dollars.  Then there are other widening concerns that will soon be addressed as well. 

My interest in it is what about the Eisenhower Interchange which I do not see as part of this as with a six lane I-83 through there would need a complete overhaul to handle the extra lanes.  Maybe itís included but not worth talking about, so that is why. Anyway glad to see PennDOT moving into the future instead of the past.

The I-83 Beltway website [https://www.i-83beltway.com] has some information on the Eisenhower Interchange that will have to be redesigned and rebuilt as part of the larger project.

Some links below will be helpful:
https://www.i-83beltway.com/projects/east-shore-section-2.php  (That is the section of the project involving the Eisenhower Interchange.)

https://i-83beltway.com/docs/SR_0083_Section_078_Environmental_Assessment_Report_Appendices_November_2019.pdf  (In that document, look at Pages 12Ė21 for Eisenhower Interchange design that was being evaluated for environmental assessment.)
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Re: I-83 Improvements
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2021, 09:04:01 PM »

After the 2018 public meeting, they posted detailed diagrams of Section 2 and Section 3. There's also a revision to Section 3, particularly to the proposed alignments of Paxton Street and the 19th Street ramps.
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Re: I-83 Improvements
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2021, 11:39:56 AM »

Iíd like to know also why they didnít construct both US 22 and Union Deposit Roads into SPUIs? It could have easily been done when the overpasses were replaced.
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Re: I-83 Improvements
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2021, 12:23:21 PM »

SPUIs may not be necessary, especially at Union Deposit.  And SPUIs have far higher costs than a more traditional interchange.
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Re: I-83 Improvements
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2021, 06:14:55 PM »

A SPUI would definitely be warranted at Union Deposit, but I spoke with someone from the project a while ago who told me it was just cut because of the cost of the more complex bridge and re-grading the ramps.

As for the project status, all three through lanes are open in the southbound direction! The right through lane and auxiliary lanes aren't fully paved yet, but all the stop sign merges are gone in that direction.
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Re: I-83 Improvements
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Re: I-83 Improvements
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2022, 12:05:26 AM »

Boy the state is in one big dilemma here. Charge tolls and piss off residents, or charge the treasury and wipe out its account.
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Re: I-83 Improvements
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2022, 02:14:03 PM »

FYI, April 2022 Update on the I-83 South Bridge Project is on the project page.

Basically, the project limits are being extended east across the East Shore Viaduct to the existing PA 230 overpass.  (however, the new PA 230 interchange is not shown in the project limits)
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Re: I-83 Improvements
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2022, 02:59:33 PM »

FYI, April 2022 Update on the I-83 South Bridge Project is on the project page.

Basically, the project limits are being extended east across the East Shore Viaduct to the existing PA 230 overpass.  (however, the new PA 230 interchange is not shown in the project limits)

Great to see this happening and it certainly makes sense to include the 2nd St interchange as part of the project. However the PA 230 overpass does seem like an odd spot for the end of the project limit. Given the new C/D roads that will be added, it will make for an interesting interim tie-in until East Shore Section 3 is done.
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Re: I-83 Improvements
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2022, 07:53:47 AM »

Glad to see this happening as well. Iíve always been curious as to why Pennsylvania has so many underdesigned/outdated highways and interchanges for so long.
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Re: I-83 Improvements
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2022, 08:14:39 AM »

Glad to see this happening as well. Iíve always been curious as to why Pennsylvania has so many underdesigned/outdated highways and interchanges for so long.
A lot of reasons.
1. A big state, for northeastern standards.  A lot of lane miles to maintain. Lot of long distance US routes.   A lot of Interstate lane miles as well.  Many limited access routes were built in the forties and fifties, hence the narrow profile/cross sections.   
2. Severe weather - deicing chemicals and rock salt used   
3. Cost of labor - "prevailing wage" etc
4. Politics, just like pretty much everywhere else   
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