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Author Topic: Sacramento, Las Vegas and Minneapolis Fight for an MLS Team expansion  (Read 5496 times)

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Re: Sacramento, Las Vegas and Minneapolis Fight for an MLS Team expansion
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2017, 09:35:06 AM »

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Group-Holds-Rally-San-Diego-Plans-Stadium-412189083.html

Now San Diego is fighting to for an MLS team.

Apparently San Diego  is also a bargaining chip city for the Raiders not just the MLS.
Yeah right they ran one team out of town and now they want another one. Not unles they are willing to build a new stadium and they already blew it last fall.






http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/San-Diego-Raiders-Fact-or-Fiction-412490483.html


Apparently San Diego is a bargaining chip city for both the MLS and Raiders.
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Re: Sacramento, Las Vegas and Minneapolis Fight for an MLS Team expansion
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2017, 11:03:00 AM »

San Diego doesn't deserve any more sports teams. They lost he Clippers in the 80's and now the Chargers that should send a message that San Diego is not a sports town. Not to mention the fans there acted like little children when the Chargers left. I say this story is fiction.
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Re: Sacramento, Las Vegas and Minneapolis Fight for an MLS Team expansion
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2017, 08:06:07 PM »

San Diego doesn't deserve any more sports teams. They lost he Clippers in the 80's and now the Chargers that should send a message that San Diego is not a sports town. Not to mention the fans there acted like little children when the Chargers left. I say this story is fiction.
Oh yeah because the Padres don't exist.
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Re: Sacramento, Las Vegas and Minneapolis Fight for an MLS Team expansion
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2017, 09:50:06 AM »

San Diego also lost the Rockets in the 70s, which is a much better fit for Houston anyway.
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Re: Sacramento, Las Vegas and Minneapolis Fight for an MLS Team expansion
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2017, 10:47:07 AM »

IMHO,

- Soccer is the sport of the next generation.  Four generations and counting.  Why any city would spend any money on such is not understandable.  Further the langage of "being granted" a franchise, with a 40 year history of bankrupt teams and bankrupt leagues seems arrogant.

- San Diego, as the saying goes, is surrounded.  By the ocean to the west, Mexico to the south, unhabitable desert to the east, and the Dodgers to the north.  San Diego is not the worst sports town.  Issue is the weather is perfect most all the time, which obviates spending money to go to ballgames, and a big part of the population is in the Navy and retains home area loyalties.

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Re: Sacramento, Las Vegas and Minneapolis Fight for an MLS Team expansion
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2017, 01:44:38 PM »

San Diego doesn't deserve any more sports teams. They lost he Clippers in the 80's and now the Chargers that should send a message that San Diego is not a sports town. Not to mention the fans there acted like little children when the Chargers left. I say this story is fiction.
Oh yeah because the Padres don't exist.
I said they don't deserve any more sports team. I know the Padres are already there but they don't deserve a MLS team or another NFL team another NBA team ect. San Diego is not much of a sports town they have lost 3 major league teams as is and after thier fans had temper tantrums after losing the Chargers I have zero sympathy for that city and besides there is already plenty of sports in southern California in the greater Los Angeles area.
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Re: Sacramento, Las Vegas and Minneapolis Fight for an MLS Team expansion
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2017, 02:44:55 PM »




Going by a purely geographic stance of wanting to see the league spread across all regions and light up as many states on the above map as possible, the 4 cities (from the the 12 that have bid) I'd like to see get added are:

Phoenix - puts Arizona on the map
St. Louis - puts Missouri back on the map for the first time since KC's team moved to the Kansas side of the metro in 2008
Charlotte (or) Raleigh - need NC to fill in a gap on the east coast, potential rival for Atlanta
Detroit (or) Indianapolis - either one would add another Midwest state would give Chicago and Columbus another rival

then the next 4 (since it seems somewhat likely the league will at some point reach 32 teams)

Detroit (or) Indianapolis - whichever was left out of my first 4
Nashville - last one left that adds a new state
Sacramento - has shown much enthusiasm for a team, gives NorCal and SoCal 2 teams each (LA has a 2nd team starting in 2018)
San Antonio - too big of a city to only have one major sports franchise, gives the 2nd biggest state a 3rd team

And regarding to elephant in the room: Miami is supposed to be team 24, owned by David Beckham, but the process of getting that done is really dragging along. Since Miami isn't exactly noted for being a good sports town and it seems like most MLS fans hate the idea of putting a franchise there, I'd rather see Florida's team #2 go to the Tampa/St. Pete bid.

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Re: Sacramento, Las Vegas and Minneapolis Fight for an MLS Team expansion
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2017, 05:23:16 PM »

San Diego doesn't deserve any more sports teams. They lost he Clippers in the 80's and now the Chargers that should send a message that San Diego is not a sports town. Not to mention the fans there acted like little children when the Chargers left. I say this story is fiction.
Oh yeah because the Padres don't exist.
I said they don't deserve any more sports team. I know the Padres are already there but they don't deserve a MLS team or another NFL team another NBA team ect. San Diego is not much of a sports town they have lost 3 major league teams as is and after thier fans had temper tantrums after losing the Chargers I have zero sympathy for that city and besides there is already plenty of sports in southern California in the greater Los Angeles area.

OK, I'm kinda done with your "California doesn't deserve any more sports teams" bit. First of all, any tiny amount of research will tell you that the teams leaving had very little do with the fans and everything to do with greedy owners and people (smartly) not wanting to use public funds on new facilities.

Second, please source your "acted like little children/temper tantrum" statements. Shall we compare them with the crying and gnashing of teeth when, say, the Sonics left Seattle, or the Colts left Baltimore, or the Browns left Cleveland, etc., etc., etc., etc.? Hell, the Colts left 30-plus years ago, their new team has won a couple of Super Bowls, but bring the subject up to a long-time Baltimore fan and they'll still act like you just ran over their puppy. It sucks when a team leaves, no matter what.

By the way, St Louis and Boston have each lost four teams. By your logic, they're bad sports towns as well, right?

Third, and perhaps most important, the numbers don't support your argument. California's four major markets are in a semi-straight line about 500 miles long and have 16 teams in the big four leagues (15 if the Raiders move). If we place that same line over, say, Pittsburgh to Milwaukee, there's 18 teams (19 if we stretch to Green Bay), and fewer people in those markets. So would it be fair to say that the Upper Midwest should lose some of their teams? California has an appropriate number of teams for the size of its markets. Get over it.

Finally, Los Angeles and San Diego are TWO SEPARATE MARKETS. It's the equivalent of New York and Philadelphia.

If you're anti-California, fine, you are welcome to that opinion, but please try and get your facts straight.
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Re: Sacramento, Las Vegas and Minneapolis Fight for an MLS Team expansion
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2017, 11:01:37 AM »

How close do you think we are to seeing teams *earning* their way into the top-level league?  MLS is almost as big as they can practically get without having to seriously consider splitting some of themselves off into a 'second division' and have the teams promote and relegate between them - like in most of the rest of the World.

There are a LOT of active and thriving lower-level clubs in North America (ie, Detroit City) that, IMHO, would absolutely thrive in an overseas-model pro/rel federation.

 :hmmm:

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Re: Sacramento, Las Vegas and Minneapolis Fight for an MLS Team expansion
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2017, 10:57:31 PM »

How close do you think we are to seeing teams *earning* their way into the top-level league?  MLS is almost as big as they can practically get without having to seriously consider splitting some of themselves off into a 'second division' and have the teams promote and relegate between them - like in most of the rest of the World.

There are a LOT of active and thriving lower-level clubs in North America (ie, Detroit City) that, IMHO, would absolutely thrive in an overseas-model pro/rel federation.

 :hmmm:

Mike

Far, very far.

Until soccer in this country is financial stable enough to take the hit that relegation to a second division does to a team, there's going to be resistance from teams and team owners.

I think we're still decades away, if that.

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Re: Sacramento, Las Vegas and Minneapolis Fight for an MLS Team expansion
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2017, 03:32:15 PM »

How close do you think we are to seeing teams *earning* their way into the top-level league?  MLS is almost as big as they can practically get without having to seriously consider splitting some of themselves off into a 'second division' and have the teams promote and relegate between them - like in most of the rest of the World.

There are a LOT of active and thriving lower-level clubs in North America (ie, Detroit City) that, IMHO, would absolutely thrive in an overseas-model pro/rel federation.

 :hmmm:

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Far, very far.

Until soccer in this country is financial stable enough to take the hit that relegation to a second division does to a team, there's going to be resistance from teams and team owners.

I think we're still decades away, if that.

Peter Wilt, the guy who basically started the Chicago Fire and later, the Indy Eleven, and still has a very active role in professional soccer at various levels throughout the Midwest, wrote a really interesting longform piece about the potential of introducing pro/rel to American soccer.

https://whatahowler.com/the-pro-rel-manifesto-245d5597f2f8#.lucwd4l3g

He brings up some interesting possibilities, such as parachute payments for relegated clubs, but unfortunately I too am cynical about this happening anytime soon. Current MLS owners have invested too much into their franchises to go willingly along with this. It's a shame, because in the big picture I do think it would be a substantial net positive for the game in this country.
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Re: Sacramento, Las Vegas and Minneapolis Fight for an MLS Team expansion
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2017, 03:35:39 PM »

Sacramento - has shown much enthusiasm for a team, gives NorCal and SoCal 2 teams each (LA has a 2nd team starting in 2018)

From what I've been able to understand, Sacramento's MLS bid hinges on completely destroying the current USL club and starting over from scratch with a new ownership group. Needless to say, this is rubbing a lot of people the wrong way who have put a lot of stake into the Republic, both financially and emotionally.
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Re: Sacramento, Las Vegas and Minneapolis Fight for an MLS Team expansion
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2017, 09:41:09 PM »

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/growth-development/sd-fi-soccervote-20170404-story.html


Now San Diego has a Ballot initiative to fund a new MLS stadium on the old San Diego Chargers site.
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Re: Sacramento, Las Vegas and Minneapolis Fight for an MLS Team expansion
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2017, 05:22:45 PM »

Meanwhile, St. Louis voted down stadium funding yesterday, so they are pretty much eliminated from the expansion discussion
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Re: Sacramento, Las Vegas and Minneapolis Fight for an MLS Team expansion
« Reply #40 on: December 21, 2017, 10:04:42 AM »

According to MLS, Nashville is in! The other city should be announced by the end of the year.
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Re: Sacramento, Las Vegas and Minneapolis Fight for an MLS Team expansion
« Reply #41 on: December 21, 2017, 10:29:35 PM »

With expansion talks, some wonder if the MLS is a big ponzi scheme?
http://www.shotinthedark.info/wp/?p=65462
https://deadspin.com/is-mls-a-ponzi-scheme-1797509617
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Re: Sacramento, Las Vegas and Minneapolis Fight for an MLS Team expansion
« Reply #42 on: December 22, 2017, 07:34:53 PM »

According to MLS, Nashville is in! The other city should be announced by the end of the year.
At least we know it aint going to be Sacramento thank goodness. For those there who want to see the MLS they can simply drive an hour west to the bay area they have a team there. I think Cincinnati would be a good choice they could use another team.
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Re: Sacramento, Las Vegas and Minneapolis Fight for an MLS Team expansion
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2018, 09:31:19 PM »

I think Cincinnati would be a good choice they could use another team.
As a Cincinnatian I am afraid this is just going to be another passing fad.  Assuming they make MLS and get their own stadium, within 5 years they'll be struggling to draw as many fans as the Cyclones (a minor league hockey team).  As is numbers on the streetcar have dropped and are not was big as expected.  By time MLS and a soccer stadium come along, people will be onto the next big fad.
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Any word on the Columbus Crew plans to relocate? A future MLS team anywhere in Ohio to replace them? or if they're staying put, the MLS gives the 26th team to Austin, Texas. 23 existing members, 2 expansion teams and 1 possible city. The MLS is on the grow.
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