Control Cities

[roadman65]

On US 41/441 near Lake City, Alachua is used SB for I-75 and not Tampa.  Gainesville would even be better.

[Roadgeekteen]

On US 41/441 near Lake City, Alachua is used SB for I-75 and not Tampa.  Gainesville would even be better.

Tampa should be used on I-75 south of Macon.

[thenetwork]

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3863927,-82.1796537,3a,25.8y,78.9h,90.39t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sURwmtdkMiwwkHHgfdB421w!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DURwmtdkMiwwkHHgfdB421w%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D146.32225%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

I... I... can't even

Only on the Ohio Turnpike
At least they sign Chicago on the WB direction instead of "Indiana" .

Not sure what city they should sign. Probably Pittsburgh.

The THRU TRAFFIC pull-throughs have been a part of the Ohio Turnpike since they abandoned the ground-mounted trapezoids in favor of the overhead gantries.  But they have s...l....o...w...l...y been switching to control city pull-throughs when they replaced some of the older overhead signs. 

[Roadgeekteen]

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3863927,-82.1796537,3a,25.8y,78.9h,90.39t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sURwmtdkMiwwkHHgfdB421w!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DURwmtdkMiwwkHHgfdB421w%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D146.32225%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

I... I... can't even

Only on the Ohio Turnpike
At least they sign Chicago on the WB direction instead of "Indiana" .

Not sure what city they should sign. Probably Pittsburgh.

The THRU TRAFFIC pull-throughs have been a part of the Ohio Turnpike since they abandoned the ground-mounted trapezoids in favor of the overhead gantries.  But they have s...l....o...w...l...y been switching to control city pull-throughs when they replaced some of the older overhead signs.

They should. Thru traffic helps nobody and tells nothing.

[bluecountry]

So I'm going to cover in this post I-95 N corridor from Richmond to Portland on what it should be:


1) @295 in Metro Richmond = Washington

2) @495 in Springfield
-495 West = Tysons Corner
-395 North = Washington
-495 East = Alexandria/Baltimore

3) N of the Woodrow Wilson Bridge = Baltimore

4) N of 395 in Baltimore = Wilmington, DE

5) @ 295 split in DE
-295 = DE Mem Bridge/NY-NJ
-495 = Philadelphia
-95 = Wilmington

6a) 95 N of Wilmington = Philadelphia
6b) 295 @ NJTP
-295 = Camden
-NJTP = New York

7) 95 N of downtown Philly = New York
8) 95 N @ 295
-295 = Trenton

9) 295 N in NJ past Camden = Trenton

10) 95 N/NJTP = New York
   @ GSP
         95N/NJTP = New York
         GSPN = Newark; GSPS = Shore Points 
   @ Outerbridge Crossing
         95N/NJTP = New York       
         440 = Staten Island
    @ 278
        95N/NJTP = New York   
        278 = Goethal/SI-Verrazonno/Brooklyn/LI
    @ Holland
         95N/NJTP = New York
         Holland = NYC via Holland Tunnel (Lower Manhattan)
    @ Lincoln
         95N/NJTP = New York/GWB
        Lincoln = NYC via Lincoln Tunnel (Midtown Manhattan)

11) GSP N of Newark = Paterson
12) GSP N of Paterson = New York Thruway
13) GSP @ NY Thruway
         I-87-287/Thruway N = Albany
         I 87-287/Thruway S = Tappan Zee Bridge

14) 95N past GWB = Bronx
15) 95N past Major Deegan = New Haven
16) 95N A 91 in New Haven
      95N = New London
      91N =Hartford
17) 91N at 15 in Hartford
      to I-84 E- Boston
18) I 84 = Boston
19) I 84 at Mass Pike
     90E=Boston; 90W = Springfield
     90E at 495
         90E = Boston; 495N = Portsmouth, NH; 495S =Providence, RI
     90E at 128/95N
        90E= Boston; 95N = Portsmouth, NH; 95S = Providence, RI
20) 95N @ 395
      395 = Worcester
21) 95N past New London = Providence
22) 95N @ 295
      95N = Providence
23) 295N 2 95 in MA
     95N = Boston
24) 95N 495
     495N = Portsmouth, NH; 495S = Cape Cod
25) 95N at 128/93
     93N = Boston-Cape Cod
     95N = Mass Pike/Portmouth, NH
26) 95N @ Masspike
      90E = Boston; 90W = Springfield 
      95N = Portsmouth, NH
27) 95N @ Rt 1/128
      95 N = Portsmouth, NH; 128E = Gloucester; 1S = Boston
28) 95N of Portsmouth = Portland
       

[Roadgeekteen]

So I'm going to cover in this post I-95 N corridor from Richmond to Portland on what it should be:


1) @295 in Metro Richmond = Washington

2) @495 in Springfield
-495 West = Tysons Corner
-395 North = Washington
-495 East = Alexandria/Baltimore

3) N of the Woodrow Wilson Bridge = Baltimore

4) N of 395 in Baltimore = Wilmington, DE

5) @ 295 split in DE
-295 = DE Mem Bridge/NY-NJ
-495 = Philadelphia
-95 = Wilmington

6a) 95 N of Wilmington = Philadelphia
6b) 295 @ NJTP
-295 = Camden
-NJTP = New York

7) 95 N of downtown Philly = New York
8) 95 N @ 295
-295 = Trenton

9) 295 N in NJ past Camden = Trenton

10) 95 N/NJTP = New York
   @ GSP
         95N/NJTP = New York
         GSPN = Newark; GSPS = Shore Points 
   @ Outerbridge Crossing
         95N/NJTP = New York       
         440 = Staten Island
    @ 278
        95N/NJTP = New York   
        278 = Goethal/SI-Verrazonno/Brooklyn/LI
    @ Holland
         95N/NJTP = New York
         Holland = NYC via Holland Tunnel (Lower Manhattan)
    @ Lincoln
         95N/NJTP = New York/GWB
        Lincoln = NYC via Lincoln Tunnel (Midtown Manhattan)

11) GSP N of Newark = Paterson
12) GSP N of Paterson = New York Thruway
13) GSP @ NY Thruway
         I-87-287/Thruway N = Albany
         I 87-287/Thruway S = Tappan Zee Bridge

14) 95N past GWB = Bronx
15) 95N past Major Deegan = New Haven
16) 95N A 91 in New Haven
      95N = New London
      91N =Hartford
17) 91N at 15 in Hartford
      to I-84 E- Boston
18) I 84 = Boston
19) I 84 at Mass Pike
     90E=Boston; 90W = Springfield
     90E at 495
         90E = Boston; 495N = Portsmouth, NH; 495S =Providence, RI
     90E at 128/95N
        90E= Boston; 95N = Portsmouth, NH; 95S = Providence, RI
20) 95N @ 395
      395 = Worcester
21) 95N past New London = Providence
22) 95N @ 295
      95N = Providence
23) 295N 2 95 in MA
     95N = Boston
24) 95N 495
     495N = Portsmouth, NH; 495S = Cape Cod
25) 95N at 128/93
     93N = Boston-Cape Cod
     95N = Mass Pike/Portmouth, NH
26) 95N @ Masspike
      90E = Boston; 90W = Springfield 
      95N = Portsmouth, NH
27) 95N @ Rt 1/128
      95 N = Portsmouth, NH; 128E = Gloucester; 1S = Boston
28) 95N of Portsmouth = Portland
     

Signing Portsmouth at the southern I-495 interchange is not a good idea because the fastest route is staying on I-95.

[bluecountry]

Right, that should be Concord, NH.

[Roadgeekteen]

Right, that should be Concord, NH.

No, it should be Worcester.

[Scott5114]

What should the control cities on the new interstate proposed for the US-412 corridor in OK-AR be? The route begins at I-35 in Noble County OK, passes through Tulsa, and ends at I-49 in Springdale AR, following current US-412 all the way.

Currently, the signs westbound out of Tulsa are "Stillwater/Enid", and eastbound "Chouteau/Siloam Springs". Should these change? The new interstate wouldn't directly serve either Stillwater or Enid, but is there anything better to put but Enid? Should Stillwater be retained as a secondary control? Chouteau obviously needs to go or be relegated to secondary status, but should Siloam Springs become the primary control, or should it be replaced with Springdale? (Do enough people know where Springdale is? Should we fudge it and use Fayetteville or Bentonville instead?)

[Roadgeekteen]

What should the control cities on the new interstate proposed for the US-412 corridor in OK-AR be? The route begins at I-35 in Noble County OK, passes through Tulsa, and ends at I-49 in Springdale AR, following current US-412 all the way.

Currently, the signs westbound out of Tulsa are "Stillwater/Enid", and eastbound "Chouteau/Siloam Springs". Should these change? The new interstate wouldn't directly serve either Stillwater or Enid, but is there anything better to put but Enid? Should Stillwater be retained as a secondary control? Chouteau obviously needs to go or be relegated to secondary status, but should Siloam Springs become the primary control, or should it be replaced with Springdale? (Do enough people know where Springdale is? Should we fudge it and use Fayetteville or Bentonville instead?)

Use Fayetville or Springdale, nobody cares about Siloam Springs.

[Flint1979]

What should the control cities on the new interstate proposed for the US-412 corridor in OK-AR be? The route begins at I-35 in Noble County OK, passes through Tulsa, and ends at I-49 in Springdale AR, following current US-412 all the way.

Currently, the signs westbound out of Tulsa are "Stillwater/Enid", and eastbound "Chouteau/Siloam Springs". Should these change? The new interstate wouldn't directly serve either Stillwater or Enid, but is there anything better to put but Enid? Should Stillwater be retained as a secondary control? Chouteau obviously needs to go or be relegated to secondary status, but should Siloam Springs become the primary control, or should it be replaced with Springdale? (Do enough people know where Springdale is? Should we fudge it and use Fayetteville or Bentonville instead?)

I'd say for WB Siloam Springs, Tulsa and Enid and for EB Tulsa, Siloam Springs, Springdale.

[Roadgeekteen]

What should the control cities on the new interstate proposed for the US-412 corridor in OK-AR be? The route begins at I-35 in Noble County OK, passes through Tulsa, and ends at I-49 in Springdale AR, following current US-412 all the way.

Currently, the signs westbound out of Tulsa are "Stillwater/Enid", and eastbound "Chouteau/Siloam Springs". Should these change? The new interstate wouldn't directly serve either Stillwater or Enid, but is there anything better to put but Enid? Should Stillwater be retained as a secondary control? Chouteau obviously needs to go or be relegated to secondary status, but should Siloam Springs become the primary control, or should it be replaced with Springdale? (Do enough people know where Springdale is? Should we fudge it and use Fayetteville or Bentonville instead?)

I'd say for WB Siloam Springs, Tulsa and Enid and for EB Tulsa, Siloam Springs, Springdale.

Why Siloam Springs? It only has 17K people compared to Springdales over 70K, and that metro area even more.

[SkyPesos]

I think just the following three would work: Enid, Tulsa, Springdale.

[Roadgeekteen]

I think just the following three would work: Enid, Tulsa, Springdale.

I agree.

[Flint1979]

What should the control cities on the new interstate proposed for the US-412 corridor in OK-AR be? The route begins at I-35 in Noble County OK, passes through Tulsa, and ends at I-49 in Springdale AR, following current US-412 all the way.

Currently, the signs westbound out of Tulsa are "Stillwater/Enid", and eastbound "Chouteau/Siloam Springs". Should these change? The new interstate wouldn't directly serve either Stillwater or Enid, but is there anything better to put but Enid? Should Stillwater be retained as a secondary control? Chouteau obviously needs to go or be relegated to secondary status, but should Siloam Springs become the primary control, or should it be replaced with Springdale? (Do enough people know where Springdale is? Should we fudge it and use Fayetteville or Bentonville instead?)

I'd say for WB Siloam Springs, Tulsa and Enid and for EB Tulsa, Siloam Springs, Springdale.

Why Siloam Springs? It only has 17K people compared to Springdales over 70K, and that metro area even more.

What difference does population make? It's a city at the state line and populus enough. It doesn't need to be a major city in order to be a control city.

[SkyPesos]

What should the control cities on the new interstate proposed for the US-412 corridor in OK-AR be? The route begins at I-35 in Noble County OK, passes through Tulsa, and ends at I-49 in Springdale AR, following current US-412 all the way.

Currently, the signs westbound out of Tulsa are "Stillwater/Enid", and eastbound "Chouteau/Siloam Springs". Should these change? The new interstate wouldn't directly serve either Stillwater or Enid, but is there anything better to put but Enid? Should Stillwater be retained as a secondary control? Chouteau obviously needs to go or be relegated to secondary status, but should Siloam Springs become the primary control, or should it be replaced with Springdale? (Do enough people know where Springdale is? Should we fudge it and use Fayetteville or Bentonville instead?)

I'd say for WB Siloam Springs, Tulsa and Enid and for EB Tulsa, Siloam Springs, Springdale.

Why Siloam Springs? It only has 17K people compared to Springdales over 70K, and that metro area even more.

What difference does population make? It's a city at the state line and populus enough. It doesn't need to be a major city in order to be a control city.

So you want Terre Haute as a control city on I-70 over St Louis/Indianapolis for the same two reasons too? Or Richmond over Indianapolis/Dayton?

[Flint1979]

What should the control cities on the new interstate proposed for the US-412 corridor in OK-AR be? The route begins at I-35 in Noble County OK, passes through Tulsa, and ends at I-49 in Springdale AR, following current US-412 all the way.

Currently, the signs westbound out of Tulsa are "Stillwater/Enid", and eastbound "Chouteau/Siloam Springs". Should these change? The new interstate wouldn't directly serve either Stillwater or Enid, but is there anything better to put but Enid? Should Stillwater be retained as a secondary control? Chouteau obviously needs to go or be relegated to secondary status, but should Siloam Springs become the primary control, or should it be replaced with Springdale? (Do enough people know where Springdale is? Should we fudge it and use Fayetteville or Bentonville instead?)

I'd say for WB Siloam Springs, Tulsa and Enid and for EB Tulsa, Siloam Springs, Springdale.

Why Siloam Springs? It only has 17K people compared to Springdales over 70K, and that metro area even more.

What difference does population make? It's a city at the state line and populus enough. It doesn't need to be a major city in order to be a control city.

So you want Terre Haute as a control city on I-70 over St Louis/Indianapolis for the same two reasons too? Or Richmond over Indianapolis/Dayton?

There isn't a city the size of Indianapolis and St. Louis in question here. Springdale and Enid aren't nearly as comparable. I never said I wanted it to be the control city I was replying to a question.

[Roadgeekteen]

What should the control cities on the new interstate proposed for the US-412 corridor in OK-AR be? The route begins at I-35 in Noble County OK, passes through Tulsa, and ends at I-49 in Springdale AR, following current US-412 all the way.

Currently, the signs westbound out of Tulsa are "Stillwater/Enid", and eastbound "Chouteau/Siloam Springs". Should these change? The new interstate wouldn't directly serve either Stillwater or Enid, but is there anything better to put but Enid? Should Stillwater be retained as a secondary control? Chouteau obviously needs to go or be relegated to secondary status, but should Siloam Springs become the primary control, or should it be replaced with Springdale? (Do enough people know where Springdale is? Should we fudge it and use Fayetteville or Bentonville instead?)

I'd say for WB Siloam Springs, Tulsa and Enid and for EB Tulsa, Siloam Springs, Springdale.

Why Siloam Springs? It only has 17K people compared to Springdales over 70K, and that metro area even more.

What difference does population make? It's a city at the state line and populus enough. It doesn't need to be a major city in order to be a control city.

It's not populous enough for an Interstate control city.

[Flint1979]

What should the control cities on the new interstate proposed for the US-412 corridor in OK-AR be? The route begins at I-35 in Noble County OK, passes through Tulsa, and ends at I-49 in Springdale AR, following current US-412 all the way.

Currently, the signs westbound out of Tulsa are "Stillwater/Enid", and eastbound "Chouteau/Siloam Springs". Should these change? The new interstate wouldn't directly serve either Stillwater or Enid, but is there anything better to put but Enid? Should Stillwater be retained as a secondary control? Chouteau obviously needs to go or be relegated to secondary status, but should Siloam Springs become the primary control, or should it be replaced with Springdale? (Do enough people know where Springdale is? Should we fudge it and use Fayetteville or Bentonville instead?)

I'd say for WB Siloam Springs, Tulsa and Enid and for EB Tulsa, Siloam Springs, Springdale.

Why Siloam Springs? It only has 17K people compared to Springdales over 70K, and that metro area even more.

What difference does population make? It's a city at the state line and populus enough. It doesn't need to be a major city in order to be a control city.

It's not populous enough for an Interstate speed limit.

Say what?

[Roadgeekteen]

What should the control cities on the new interstate proposed for the US-412 corridor in OK-AR be? The route begins at I-35 in Noble County OK, passes through Tulsa, and ends at I-49 in Springdale AR, following current US-412 all the way.

Currently, the signs westbound out of Tulsa are "Stillwater/Enid", and eastbound "Chouteau/Siloam Springs". Should these change? The new interstate wouldn't directly serve either Stillwater or Enid, but is there anything better to put but Enid? Should Stillwater be retained as a secondary control? Chouteau obviously needs to go or be relegated to secondary status, but should Siloam Springs become the primary control, or should it be replaced with Springdale? (Do enough people know where Springdale is? Should we fudge it and use Fayetteville or Bentonville instead?)

I'd say for WB Siloam Springs, Tulsa and Enid and for EB Tulsa, Siloam Springs, Springdale.

Why Siloam Springs? It only has 17K people compared to Springdales over 70K, and that metro area even more.

What difference does population make? It's a city at the state line and populus enough. It doesn't need to be a major city in order to be a control city.

It's not populous enough for an Interstate speed limit.

Say what?

That could be interpreted in a different thread in a way that makes sense.

[Flint1979]

What should the control cities on the new interstate proposed for the US-412 corridor in OK-AR be? The route begins at I-35 in Noble County OK, passes through Tulsa, and ends at I-49 in Springdale AR, following current US-412 all the way.

Currently, the signs westbound out of Tulsa are "Stillwater/Enid", and eastbound "Chouteau/Siloam Springs". Should these change? The new interstate wouldn't directly serve either Stillwater or Enid, but is there anything better to put but Enid? Should Stillwater be retained as a secondary control? Chouteau obviously needs to go or be relegated to secondary status, but should Siloam Springs become the primary control, or should it be replaced with Springdale? (Do enough people know where Springdale is? Should we fudge it and use Fayetteville or Bentonville instead?)

I'd say for WB Siloam Springs, Tulsa and Enid and for EB Tulsa, Siloam Springs, Springdale.

Why Siloam Springs? It only has 17K people compared to Springdales over 70K, and that metro area even more.

What difference does population make? It's a city at the state line and populus enough. It doesn't need to be a major city in order to be a control city.

It's not populous enough for an Interstate speed limit.

Say what?

That could be interpreted in a different thread in a way that makes sense.

Right now Fritzowl's plans make more sense than what you're saying.

[Roadgeekteen]

What should the control cities on the new interstate proposed for the US-412 corridor in OK-AR be? The route begins at I-35 in Noble County OK, passes through Tulsa, and ends at I-49 in Springdale AR, following current US-412 all the way.

Currently, the signs westbound out of Tulsa are "Stillwater/Enid", and eastbound "Chouteau/Siloam Springs". Should these change? The new interstate wouldn't directly serve either Stillwater or Enid, but is there anything better to put but Enid? Should Stillwater be retained as a secondary control? Chouteau obviously needs to go or be relegated to secondary status, but should Siloam Springs become the primary control, or should it be replaced with Springdale? (Do enough people know where Springdale is? Should we fudge it and use Fayetteville or Bentonville instead?)

I'd say for WB Siloam Springs, Tulsa and Enid and for EB Tulsa, Siloam Springs, Springdale.

Why Siloam Springs? It only has 17K people compared to Springdales over 70K, and that metro area even more.

What difference does population make? It's a city at the state line and populus enough. It doesn't need to be a major city in order to be a control city.

It's not populous enough for an Interstate speed limit.

Say what?

That could be interpreted in a different thread in a way that makes sense.

Right now Fritzowl's plans make more sense than what you're saying.

Never mind, I meant control city.

[Scott5114]

Also, possible confusion factor: "Springdale" might be confused for "Springfield", which is the control city on I-44 EB after Joplin (which is the I-44 EB control in Tulsa). Of course, this doesn't necessarily mean that Siloam Springs has to be used, "Fayetteville" would convey the same thing as Springdale at the slight drawback of being slightly inaccurate.

[Roadgeekteen]

Also, possible confusion factor: "Springdale" might be confused for "Springfield", which is the control city on I-44 EB after Joplin (which is the I-44 EB control in Tulsa). Of course, this doesn't necessarily mean that Siloam Springs has to be used, "Fayetteville" would convey the same thing as Springdale at the slight drawback of being slightly inaccurate.

What about "Northwest Arkansas" or is that too vague?

[sprjus4]

Is saying sign Wichita for the interstate westbound out of Tulsa too much?

It's the next major city on the interstate system, and most traffic on US-412 West would merge onto I-35 North, and vice versa, at least staying within the system.