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Title: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: Duke87 on September 04, 2013, 07:22:36 PM
Link (http://gothamist.com/2013/08/30/video_driver_claims_record_for_fast.php)

Video:


Per Google Maps (https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Unknown+road&daddr=40.7017998,-74.0106642+to:40.7524238,-74.0075915+to:FDR+Drive&hl=en&ll=40.7899,-73.925629&spn=0.263052,0.494385&sll=40.723844,-73.967857&sspn=0.131657,0.247192&geocode=FTZ4bgIdh-SX-w%3BFWcPbQId2K-W-ykjThxWFFrCiTFW948bgLNZiA%3BFSfVbQId2buW-ykDjifHyVnCiTG6WuLMB90U-Q%3BFR94bgId8OSX-w&mra=dpe&mrsp=1&sz=12&via=1,2&t=m&z=11), the route is 24.3 miles... so the average speed is only about 60 MPH. But when you consider the need to stop for several red lights and navigate around other traffic on the road driving normal speeds, it is a nice achievement of the "don't try this at home" variety. Normal time with no traffic is 38 minutes. (no traffic... heh)
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: Brandon on September 04, 2013, 11:52:57 PM
Manhattan is a small island.  Very small island.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: Alps on September 04, 2013, 11:55:32 PM
I've been able to average faster than 60 mph on the Hank Hudson and FDR. Once you get past about 34th St. West Dr. starts moving pretty well, though I wouldn't be going much above 40 there just because it's the one road where things are actually enforced in NYC.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: dlainhart on September 05, 2013, 09:42:41 AM
I hope he had a good time obliterating his struts.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: BamaZeus on September 05, 2013, 11:44:19 AM
I think he ran one red light down by Chelsea Piers, and he certainly drove like a maniac the entire trip.  He nearly crashed into a van where the FDR goes down to 1 lane, and cut off several other cars.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 05, 2013, 01:27:13 PM
what an asshole. 
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: empirestate on September 05, 2013, 05:32:41 PM
Yeah, definitely seen this jerkoff or ones just like him around town. I don't understand why he keeps stopping at the red lights; he's certainly not doing any of the other things he's required to.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: Alps on September 05, 2013, 05:51:19 PM
Quote from: empirestate on September 05, 2013, 05:32:41 PM
Yeah, definitely seen this jerkoff or ones just like him around town. I don't understand why he keeps stopping at the red lights; he's certainly not doing any of the other things he's required to.
West Dr. has several red light cameras.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 05, 2013, 06:07:39 PM
Quote from: Steve on September 05, 2013, 05:51:19 PM
Quote from: empirestate on September 05, 2013, 05:32:41 PM
Yeah, definitely seen this jerkoff or ones just like him around town. I don't understand why he keeps stopping at the red lights; he's certainly not doing any of the other things he's required to.
West Dr. has several red light cameras.

at that point, he should just take off his license plates and wear a ski mask.  if he gets pulled over, he's cooked no matter what for reckless driving.  so he may as well avoid the photo enforcement.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: empirestate on September 05, 2013, 10:45:06 PM
Quote from: Steve on September 05, 2013, 05:51:19 PM
Quote from: empirestate on September 05, 2013, 05:32:41 PM
Yeah, definitely seen this jerkoff or ones just like him around town. I don't understand why he keeps stopping at the red lights; he's certainly not doing any of the other things he's required to.
West Dr. has several red light cameras.

Yes, but if that worried him, he would not have intentionally created video evidence of everything else he did illegally.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: corco on September 05, 2013, 11:03:18 PM
And...he's in custody

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/police-hunt-for-driver-who-raced-around-manhattan/
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 06, 2013, 10:43:21 AM
and, as is the custom with newspaper websites, don't read the comments.  lots of idiotic discussion by people who can't understand that both artificially low speed limits and reckless driving can exist in the same universe.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: BamaZeus on September 06, 2013, 11:40:03 AM
Per the article, his charges include:

reckless endangerment, reckless driving, a traffic device violation, moving from a lane unsafely, following too closely and for a speed violation

What is a "traffic device violation"?  I presume that's where he ran the red light on West Drive.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: Henry on September 06, 2013, 12:01:25 PM
Showoff!
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: empirestate on September 06, 2013, 06:03:35 PM
Quote from: BamaZeus on September 06, 2013, 11:40:03 AM
Per the article, his charges include:

reckless endangerment, reckless driving, a traffic device violation, moving from a lane unsafely, following too closely and for a speed violation

What is a "traffic device violation"?  I presume that's where he ran the red light on West Drive.

Probably, although it could also refer to any other sign or signal. They could maybe apply this charge to speed limit signs (it's happened to me), if they can't specifically measure his speed at a certain point but could prove overall that he was speeding.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: Duke87 on September 06, 2013, 09:38:21 PM
Quote from: corco on September 05, 2013, 11:03:18 PM
And...he's in custody

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/police-hunt-for-driver-who-raced-around-manhattan/

Dumbass clearly didn't understand the concept of logging IP addresses and how uniquely that can identify you.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: NE2 on September 06, 2013, 10:18:20 PM
Really, all they needed was one camera on the route that they could go through the tape of and match to other cars on the road.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: place-saint-henri on September 07, 2013, 02:27:05 PM
this is suuuuuuble. Fastest I did was like 40 minutes in my 1995 Subaru Legacy LS Wagon (stock no mods) at 3 AM with no traffic.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: dlainhart on September 14, 2013, 10:12:52 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 06, 2013, 10:18:20 PM
Really, all they needed was one camera on the route that they could go through the tape of and match to other cars on the road.
Exactly. Who cares about IP addresses when that one red light camera is more than enough? You don't even need that: you just need
The first one can be substituted in a variety of ways, since his own video is what does him in.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: hbelkins on September 14, 2013, 01:46:24 PM
For traffic violations, wouldn't the cops actually have to see them to issue a citation? I know that's one of the big complaints about red light cameras; that there's no citing officer.

I'd like to see that in real time instead of sped up 4x to see if there really was reckless driving involved. I suspect there wasn't anything much more grievous than things I see every time I'm on the interstate in Lexington.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: kkt on September 14, 2013, 02:20:10 PM
Quote from: dlainhart on September 14, 2013, 10:12:52 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 06, 2013, 10:18:20 PM
Really, all they needed was one camera on the route that they could go through the tape of and match to other cars on the road.
Exactly. Who cares about IP addresses when that one red light camera is more than enough? You don't even need that: you just need

  • footage from a camera, somewhere, that was recording that night, and
  • the video itself, which is as damning as it gets
The first one can be substituted in a variety of ways, since his own video is what does him in.

I think a defense attorney could successfully make a case that the video could have been faked.  There are plenty of people who'd like to brag about how fast they drove, and it's not that hard to fake a video.  Think about chain of custody requirements for evidence in police custody, there's no chain of custody for youtube videos.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: Dr Frankenstein on September 17, 2013, 09:26:58 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on September 06, 2013, 09:38:21 PM
Quote from: corco on September 05, 2013, 11:03:18 PM
And...he's in custody

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/police-hunt-for-driver-who-raced-around-manhattan/

Dumbass clearly didn't understand the concept of logging IP addresses and how uniquely that can identify you.

My WAN IP can't discriminate me from the rest of my immediate family.

However, it looks a lot like a BMW Z4 hood in the video (what Japlonik claims he drives), and I don't think his entire household drives one. Or a car with a similarly shaped front end. (From this perspective, it could match a Nissan Maxima and most Infinitis.)

Anyway, my point is, I fail to see how an IP address can isolate a single person beyond reasonable doubt.

(#1000!)
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: hbelkins on September 17, 2013, 11:58:18 AM
Moral of this story, if you're concerned about being identified via your IP address or other technology-related giveaways.

1.) Create a throwaway email address.
2.) Create a YouTube account with said throwaway email address.
3.) Upload your video from a public wi-fi hotspot.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 17, 2013, 12:37:34 PM
Quote from: Dr Frankenstein on September 17, 2013, 09:26:58 AMI fail to see how an IP address can isolate a single person beyond reasonable doubt.


we're talking about a government attempting to regulate the internet based on squeezing as much interpretation as possible out of the words "to establish post offices and post roads".

"reasonable doubt" - or reasonable anything, really - was never a participant in this conversation.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: Duke87 on September 19, 2013, 09:16:47 PM
Quote from: Dr Frankenstein on September 17, 2013, 09:26:58 AM
Anyway, my point is, I fail to see how an IP address can isolate a single person beyond reasonable doubt.

It doesn't, but it's enough to get a search warrant. And then when they find the video on your hard drive both edited and raw, the car in your driveway...

Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on September 22, 2013, 04:21:37 PM
The video was sped up.  He didn't do anything that terrible.  I see people do worse things every day, and they don't get locked up, at most they just get a reckless ticket.  This is a case of law enforcement being dicks because they can.  Give the man a ticket for reckless driving and move on.

Sad thing?  This guy has more tact and skill behind the wheel than probably 99% of "law abiding" drivers out there, but because he's the guy that sticks out like a sore thumb from a herd of sheep, he's the guy who gets the book thrown at him.

Disgusting state of affairs we live in today.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: hbelkins on September 23, 2013, 02:11:22 PM
Quote from: Crazy Volvo Guy on September 22, 2013, 04:21:37 PM
The video was sped up.

Which is why I would like to see it in real time.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on September 23, 2013, 02:12:25 PM
As would I.
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 23, 2013, 02:26:08 PM
Quoteskill

yes

Quotetact

no

but, I do agree that a lot more of the "herd of sheep" should be getting reckless driving tickets. 
Title: Re: Driver circles Manhattan in 24 minutes.
Post by: hbelkins on September 23, 2013, 10:05:53 PM
So is there an app that will let you download a YouTube video and slow it down?