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"I-49 construction between Alma and Texarkana to begin in 2076, Bella Vista bypass to be completed in 2066, no funding for Arkansas River bridge"

"New Jersey Turnpike decommissioned, turned back to local control"

"Last steel truss bridge in the USA demolished"

"National speed limit reduced to 45 MPH by President Chelsea Clinton"

"Pennsylvania to construct interchange between I-95 and Turnpike"

Quote from: bugo on October 24, 2014, 07:30:37 AM
"National speed limit reduced to 45 MPH by President Chelsea Clinton"

Wouldn't she be 94 years old by then?

"Big projects in Georgia"

The Atlanta Metropolitan Area has reached a number of 10 million people! GDOT has decided it's time to build an Outer Atlanta Beltway now that Atlanta's suburbs have reached Chattanooga on the northwest, Greenville on the northeast, Columbus on the southwest, and Macon on the south. Also, it has been decided to resurface I-75 in north GA since its been 65 years since the last resurfacing. GDOT thinks it isn't safe for cars to drive on overgrown asphalt with patches of tall grass.

"Self-Driving Cars: Why do they leave so much room between each other?  2 feet is enough.  5 feet is excessive"

Garden State Parkway relocated to Appalachians to avoid rising sea levels

Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 24, 2014, 07:53:43 AM

Quote from: bugo on October 24, 2014, 07:30:37 AM
"National speed limit reduced to 45 MPH by President Chelsea Clinton"

Wouldn't she be 94 years old by then?

National speed limit reduced to 45 MPH by President Malia Obama

Caltrans will have left fewer roads to worry about cause the LA and San Diego area will get hit by the big one causing part of California to fall into the Ocean.

Florida will have sunk into the sea leaving I-95 with its southern terminus someplace north of Jacksonville.

Off roads though, but the NY Jets will be in their second Super Bowl.  Sorry I had to add this one in, but true the way they have always played since the days of Joe Namath..

Back to roads,  I-69 will finally be completed through Arkansas.

The I-69 bridge across the Ohio River will be allocated funds to build.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 24, 2014, 07:53:43 AM

Quote from: bugo on October 24, 2014, 07:30:37 AM
"National speed limit reduced to 45 MPH by President Chelsea Clinton"

Wouldn't she be 94 years old by then?

Hillary is an old woman and she's probably going to be president. Besides, in 2064 life expectancy may be a lot higher.

By the way, I have nothing against Chelsea. I kind of like Bill, but I can't stand Hilllary.

Well you are right about that one Bugo.  Hillary will be president because there is no one else out there who is any good these days. 

Quote from: NE2 on October 24, 2014, 08:00:05 AM
Garden State Parkway relocated to Appalachians to avoid rising sea levels

Favored way to clinch Tamiami Trail: bathescyth or submarine?

Atlanta-Huntsville highway completed (Hartsfield-Jackson Concourse ZZZZ)

If I perform an Immelmann Loop with my flying car just before an interstellar military base, does that count as a clinch?

Memphis-Huntsville-Atlanta freeway nearing completion.

Got me there.

How about I-99 being fully completed.

Is it finally time for the US to go metric?

Why are we still using the internet?

"Will California be split into 6 states?"

"We're all out - Texas oil rig drill punches through into Chinese shopping mall"

• Still no funds for Mon-Fayette Expressway's missing link
• I-83 Master Plan to go to construction
• PennDOT: "Why'd we build that stupid 202 parkway anyway?"
• Off topic > Minecraft Plugin API release date announced

"The Best/Worst of Electronic Signage"

"Final stoplight on US 30 in Indiana removed"

Mass Transit: "Construction of Des Moines Amtrak station is underway"

NTSB reveals "fatal" flaw in precast concrete bridge design - recommends reversion to steel trusses for new bridges

Off Topic: World's Oldest Light Bulb Goes Out

"Electronic pooing is cool."

Route 11 Divisive Topic in Gov Debates

Aidan/Braden Kinabalu and Bella Katniss Sophia McAllister's final debate showcased the perennial hot-button issue for southeastern Connecticut: what to do about Route 11. Conceived over 100 years ago as part of an expressway connecting New London to Hartford, construction stopped 92 years ago at Route 82 in Salem -- and never resumed.

Kinabalu blamed the incumbent Democrat for what he called "foot-dragging" by the Department of Transportation and Teleportation, and pointed to a stack of 142 environmental impact reports and studies, none of which have resulted in any actual construction. In June, the Army Black Mesa Corps of Engineers rejected a DOTT plan for a lower-profile proposal that would have resulted in lower impact to nearby wetlands. The extended Route 11 would narrow down to two 10-foot lanes, only one of them paved, with earthen barriers every two miles that would require drivers to get out and walk. Signs would be printed on material made from recycled Whole Foods bags with soy-based ink. Sign text would be generated from Maya Angelou poems using Markov chains. Animals would be trained to follow trails of synthetic formic acid pheromones to find their way to wide overcrossings. The latest cost projections are on the order of three to four billion yuan.

McAllister, fighting lower subscription numbers on her YouTube2 channel, and still battling criticism over a leaked Vine of her fall 2062 emotional affair with Kinabalu, called for a "throwback" Route 11 constructed much like the existing four-lane stretch in Colchester. "If the money didn't ran out in the 1970s, we are not even having this conversation lah," she said, her trademark fistful of black and white kittens thrust into the air. Helmeted police tossed xenomorph face-huggers into the crowd, signaling the end of the debate.

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OMFG seriously do not read the comments. You should know this by now

(c) 2064, Boston Courant/Globe

Roads that are now submerged underwater.

Off Topic: How many of this forum's users are cyborgs?

"aaroads.com topics in 2114"

Cities that aren't radioactive.

Quote from: roadman65 on October 24, 2014, 09:07:40 AM
Well you are right about that one Bugo.  Hillary will be president because there is no one else out there who is any good these days. 

There are plenty of decent politicians...Elizabeth Warren, Dennis Kucinich, Bernie Sanders...but they are unelectable with the possible exception of Warren.

"My plan for 10 interstates in Death Valley"

Quote from: roadman on October 24, 2014, 10:55:21 AM
NTSB reveals "fatal" flaw in precast concrete bridge design - recommends reversion to steel trusses for new bridges

That would be awesome.

Quote from: TheStranger on October 24, 2014, 12:17:01 PM
"My plan for 10 interstates in Death Valley"

hahahahahahaha

"Why was the fantasy highway forum closed?"
"Suicide 6 in Connecticut claims its 500,000th victim"

"Has anyone here used a human-driven car and lived to tell about it?"

"It only takes 10 minuets to travel on a random New Jersey highway I haven't traveled on in 100 years!"

"I-266 in New Alanland"

"We need a sub-forum for old-time toll basket coin collection assemblies"

"When was the last time you used a coin or coins  to pay for something?"

"VA 28 to finally be designated as I-366 .... no, really!!!"

"Tappan Zee Bridge III: Making it built to last"

"Driving after consuming more than 30 grams of sugar to result in 6 month license suspension."

Has the legacy of the Grand Unified Alan, Mr. Alan Cocoran, and the glorious Alanland been forgotten and abandoned?

Quote from: Billy F 1988 on October 24, 2014, 12:51:48 PM
Has the legacy of the Grand Unified Alan, Mr. Alan Cocoran, and the glorious Alanland been forgotten and abandoned?

Alanland is dead and buried, any additional references of it going forward will be deleted.

"Proposed Freeway System For Possible Seccessionist Country of Reagan" by FritzOwltheThird

Citing operational issues, plus increasing maintenance and repair costs, Boston begins ambitious project to replace its underground Interstate tunnels with a new elevated highway network and harbor bridges.

"Circumventing your chip so you can walk the sidewalks toll-free"

Quote from: roadman on October 24, 2014, 01:14:25 PM
Citing operational issues, plus increasing maintenance and repair costs, Boston begins ambitious project to replace its underground Interstate tunnels with a new elevated highway network and harbor bridges.

What ever happened to the guy that was pushing a "cheaper" harbor bridge in the 1990s?  I wish kooks got a special archive on the internet.

"Clearview: The Font Everyone Loves"

"Ford to Unveil 100th Anniversary Mustang" (using same design as 1994-2004 models, but more futuristic-looking)

"Western States Adopt First-Ever 100 MPH Speed Limit"

"Missing Link of I-74 to Be Completed Soon" (linking Cincinnati and Mt. Airy, NC)

"Top 60 Facebook Roadgeek Profiles of All-Time" (in honor of the social network's 60th anniversary)

E-ZPass now accepted at all toll roads in the US.

"Breezewood - over a 100 years and still there."

"NY to convert to mileage-based exit numbers"

Quote from: Grzrd on October 24, 2014, 12:40:55 PM
"VA 28 to finally be designated as I-366 .... no, really!!!"

"Virginia to raise top speed limit to 85"

"circle vs square: which is better of the two route marker shapes in current use?"

State-name interstate shields that still exist.

State-outline state route shields that still exist.

Off Topic: Google and Amazon merge and then buy out Walmart.

Quote from: Alex on October 24, 2014, 12:58:20 PM

Quote from: Billy F 1988 on October 24, 2014, 12:51:48 PM
Has the legacy of the Grand Unified Alan, Mr. Alan Cocoran, and the glorious Alanland been forgotten and abandoned?

Alanland is dead and buried, any additional references of it going forward will be deleted.

Good.  Now, if you could please do the same to any and all references to "pooing is cool,"  that would be great.

k-thx-bye

Quote from: Brandon on October 24, 2014, 01:35:10 PM
"Breezewood - over a 100 years and still there."

Laughed out loud reading this at work. My colleague asked me what was so funny, but I didn't bother since I could imagine only a cockeyed look in return.

"Error connecting to database server"

Quote from: renegade on October 24, 2014, 01:53:41 PM
Good.  Now, if you could please do the same to any and all references to "pooing is cool,"  that would be great.

k-thx-bye

fine.

poop is shit.

there; you happy?

"Who remembers what countries were?"

Quote from: 1 on October 24, 2014, 03:59:03 PM
"Who remembers what countries were?"

we'll still have countries.

"my plan for interstates through Eastasia when we win the war against them"
* topic is quickly purged to secret admin board *
* poster is quickly purged by head admin Nazibot5114 *

"my plan for interstates through Eurasia when we win the war against them"
* topic allowed to exist *

In Northwest: "Remembering Bertha: the abandoned TBM under the Seattle waterfront"

In Mass Transit: "Ballard Link extension set to open next year", "Issaquah Link celebrates 10 years of service"

"US 219 Expressway completed in New York"
"Port Authority Raises Hudson River Tolls to $100"
"Construction Begins on New Kosciuszko Bridge"
"Ontario Highway 401 begins expansion project, will be widened to 100 lanes"
"Why is the Cross Bronx Expressway still 6 lanes?"
"Interstate 90 in Ohio still under construction after 70 years"
"New York approves second Peace Bridge span, construction to begin in 2066"

"Roads? Where we are we don't need roads."

Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 24, 2014, 04:11:01 PM"my plan for interstates through Eastasia when we win the war against them"
"my plan for interstates through Eurasia when we win the war against them"

About 60 years too late with those - we're looking at 2064...

Quote from: Pete from Boston on October 24, 2014, 04:39:11 PM"Roads? Where we are we don't need roads."

And that is gonna happen within a year.

Topics that were on AARoads 50 years ago

"High-Speed Rails you have clinched"

I strongly suspect the "Worst Signs" thread will still be going strong.

And the Alanland thread too if it hadn't been killed.

Quote from: Brandon on October 24, 2014, 05:03:15 PM
I strongly suspect the "Worst Signs" thread will still be going strong.

"this hologram has been projected incorrectly - it appears at car level instead of 20 feet above the roadway as intended.  also it uses that cheap knockoff Helvetica, when we all know Arial is the officially endorsed font of the 2061 MUTCD."

Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 24, 2014, 05:05:00 PM

Quote from: Brandon on October 24, 2014, 05:03:15 PM
I strongly suspect the "Worst Signs" thread will still be going strong.

"this hologram has been projected incorrectly - it appears at car level instead of 20 feet above the roadway as intended.  also it uses that cheap knockoff Helvetica, when we all know Arial is the officially endorsed font of the 2061 MUTCD."

"In addition, the hologram seems to have been made of the same material that lightsabers are made of, meaning that you will crash into it instead of passing through it like normal light."

Which original users are still alive and aren't cyborgs?

Quote from: Brandon on October 24, 2014, 05:03:15 PM
I strongly suspect the "Worst Signs" thread will still be going strong.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the "worst signs" of today find themselves in "best signs".  "Look at that thing, one of the few remaining clearview installs in the US now that the interim approval has been revoked for 40 years now"

"Signs still standing" since cars will not need expensive signs to read. 

"Somerset Expressway Proposal Revisited"

"I-78 Turnpike Extension Completed to Holland Tunnel"

"Turning Radii for Quintuple-Trailer Trucks"

"Preferential HOT-Space for Hovercraft"

"Guide Sign Messages for Aliens"

"Mars: BGS for LGM"  (little green men . . .)

In Off Topic-Sports:  "Philadelphia Eagles win first Superbowl!".

And then, having finally completed my bucketlist by witnessing the above, I will promptly drop dead at the ripe old age of 89.

Quote from: Roadrunner75 on October 24, 2014, 06:34:40 PM
In Off Topic-Sports:  "Philadelphia Eagles win first Superbowl!".

And then, having finally completed my bucketlist by witnessing the above, I will promptly drop dead at the ripe old age of 89.

And, "Lions Still Haven't Been To The Superbowl, Yet Cubs Still make Them Look Good".

"NFL claims increasing on-field heart attacks among 600-pound linemen unrelated to football."

"MassDOT to study options for third Cape Cod Canal crossing"

"I-84 Danbury-Waterbury widening delayed"

Quote from: Beeper1 on October 24, 2014, 08:03:21 PM
"MassDOT to study options for third Cape Cod Canal crossing"

Which one collapsed?

Teleporting lines you have clinched.

Mass Transit: "Construction Continues on 2nd Avenue Subway, Expected Completion pushed back to 2074"

Quote from: yanksfan6129 on October 25, 2014, 12:58:21 AM
Mass Transit: "Construction Continues on 2nd Avenue Subway, Expected Completion pushed back to 2074"

Correction: "Second Avenue Subway extension to 125th Street to begin construction next year, completion expected in 2074". I doubt anybody on this forum will live to see it run from Hanover Square to 125th Street, let alone any of the "proposed extensions".

Don't be surprised to see Missoula expanding into a metropolis and ending up like Billings today that far down the road in the future absorbing Frenchtown, Lolo, Evaro Hill, and East Missoula into one entire conglomerate city. I bet the roads by 2064 would look a lot different than now.

Quote from: Brandon on October 24, 2014, 06:40:33 PM

Quote from: Roadrunner75 on October 24, 2014, 06:34:40 PM
In Off Topic-Sports:  "Philadelphia Eagles win first Superbowl!".

And then, having finally completed my bucketlist by witnessing the above, I will promptly drop dead at the ripe old age of 89.

And, "Lions Still Haven't Been To The Superbowl, Yet Cubs Still make Them Look Good".

"People still misspell 'Super Bowl' after almost 100 years"  :bigass:

Goethals bridge opens, Staten Island Expressway nearly complete.

I-35 extended to Thunder Bay as part of the Fritzowl Interstate System.

Pasadena in uproar over funding to complete I-710


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OMFG! FritzOwl's Interstate plan for California coming to fruition!

Quote from: freebrickproductions on October 24, 2014, 01:34:28 PM
E-ZPass now accepted at all toll roads in the US.

Edit: except in California where FasTrak is alive and well...  :-D

"Congress passes bill thinking of expanding I-99 - NC builds its portion"

"ThePresident2060's plan to build interstate systems for the other fourteen North American countries faces a skeptical Congress."

"Large repository of century-old wood signs found in obscure Central Ohio Apartment"

Virginia issues a 200-year Civil War anniversary map.  VA 167 still shown in Hampton.


In a political dirty trick, Capital Beltway from Springfield west around to Maryland demolished, so that the promise to never widen I-66 inside the beltway becomes null and void.  I-66 to be widened to 14 lanes.

Mapmikey

"Congressional gridlock remains key issue as Elections loom"

"Florida to Space Coast-No elevating Beachline, 50 or 192, suggests residents leave instead."

"I-70 and I-83 finally connect to I-95 in Baltimore. I-170 is still not connected to mainline I-70 but is redesignated as I-170 once again.

"NYSDOT still unsure when NY 17 upgrade to I-86 will be completed"

"Clearview Version 6 granted Interim Approval status -- immediately misused by Illinois."

one side of Corridor H closed to motor vehicles due to extremely low traffic
road construction and automobile industries team up on new series of ads to convince young folks to drive

...
[locked] Maryland thread 229: news articles from CP Zilliacus Jr.
[locked] Maryland thread 230: news articles from CP Zilliacus Jr.
Maryland thread 231: news articles from CP Zilliacus Jr.

"At what age should people voluntarily cancel their driver's license?" - a topic which gets locked every time, and becomes a subject akin to politics and religion for non-discussion.

Quote from: bugo on October 25, 2014, 07:14:17 PM
"I-70 and I-83 finally connect to I-95 in Baltimore. I-170 is still not connected to mainline I-70 but is redesignated as I-170 once again.

Haha, nope. Never happening.

Much more likely:

"Where are the remaining Clearview BGSs in your state?"

General Highway talk:"New Madrid Earthquake Destroys All Mississippi River Crossings from St. Louis to Greenville, MS."

"(AHTD) Why not encourage the Arkansas legislature to amend the farm machinery statute in order to allow immediate I-555 signage?"

Quote from: robbones on October 26, 2014, 07:40:36 PM
General Highway talk:"New Madrid Earthquake Destroys All Mississippi River Crossings from St. Louis to Greenville, MS."

In the same vein:

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Cascadian 'quake causes vital bridges to collapse
MAY 5, 2015 - Last updated: 7:38 pm PST

SEATTLE - This morning's megathrust earthquake, now measured at 9.0 on the Richter scale, has left the entire Pacific Northwest in some state of ruin. The Washington State Department of Transportation is scrambling to set up detours around over 1,000 collapsed or destroyed bridges around the entire state. Interstate 5 remains closed between North Portland and Vancouver, at the Nisqually River Bridge near Olympia, and at the Stillaguamish River north of Marysvile, while the floating bridges on Lake Washington and Hood Canal remain closed for inspection. Construction of the new Alaskan Way Tunnel and Link Light Rail tunnels has resumed, with plans to accelerate completion to replace the destroyed Alaskan Way Viaduct.

I-95 road work ongoing for past 50 years

Alabama to finally complete I-22/I-65 interchange by "early" 2065

Kentucky completes I-71 extension to Owensboro

US Routes 62, 79, 84 and 98 to be decommissioned

Texas proposes extending I-8 eastward from Arizona

Rest areas that have not been privatized

Not sure if anyone posted this before, but:
"Traffic Lights that are still standing."

Original road geeks whose descendants are also road geeks 


iPhone

"Vulcan engineers help construct the first roadway to float in the air"

'Should floating roads get special route numbers?'

The Trans-Bering bridge-tunnel crossing is in construction.

Finally, QC-138 is completed between Blanc-Sablon and Kegaska.

All of the Big Island of Hawaii  covered by lava  spills.
No need for  federal elections anymore, half of Mexico  are registered to vote now in the US.  The only elections are Primary elections  for the Democratic party.

"California adopts 2009 MUTCD, with no modification"

"Floating roads bring way to finish I-49 in Kansas City"

"Boat launch to be built at the end of I-95 near the former site of Miami, FL"

Quote from: sandiaman on November 03, 2014, 06:53:05 PM
No need for  federal elections anymore, half of Mexico  are registered to vote now in the US.  The only elections are Primary elections  for the Democratic party.

"white people remain terrified of brown people taking over."

Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 24, 2014, 01:47:12 PM
"circle vs square: which is better of the two route marker shapes in current use?"

Road-Related Illustrations: "adventurernumber1's Holographic Maps"

Underwater routes that still have their signs visible above the surface.

California adopts MUTCD-standard arrow pavement markings

Southeast: "How many of Florida's highways are still above water?"
(sorry if someone posted that before)

"The growing island problem: abandon or build bridges?  If the latter, who pays?"

"California to finish exit numbering program"

NJTA removes last non-MUTCD-compliant sign

FHWA takes legal action against communities still using "Slow Children At Play" signs.

"I-999 set to open in downtown Altoona"

"Seattle rejects monorail initiative for the 24th time"

Seeing as the sixth such vote in 20 years was defeated just tonight 80-20 (http://projects.seattletimes.com/2014/election/#KeyRaces), I don't see it going away anytime soon.

Off Topic: "Poll: How Many aaroads Users Still Own Computers or Smart Phones?"

EDIT: Got another one:
Off Topic: "Poll: Which of the two water-filled cities is better? NYC or Venice, Italy?"

Quote from: freebrickproductions on November 05, 2014, 10:16:11 AM
Off Topic: "Poll: Which of the two water-filled cities is better? NYC or Venice, France?:

"Surviving pre-French annexation signs on Italian Peninsula"

Venice, France?

Surely Venice, Italy, Democratic People's Union of Europe ;)

Quote from: english si on November 05, 2014, 12:07:44 PM
Venice, France?

Surely Venice, Italy, Democratic People's Union of Europe ;)

My bad. My geography was off earlier this morning. :poke:

Quote from: freebrickproductions on November 05, 2014, 12:39:44 PM

Quote from: english si on November 05, 2014, 12:07:44 PM
Venice, France?

Surely Venice, Italy, Democratic People's Union of Europe ;)

My bad. My geography was off earlier this morning. :poke:

But how are we to know if there will be a Venice, France in 2064?  :biggrin:

But it's all good, Ik what you meant.

A bigger question is "is there going to be an Italy or a France in 2064?"

The answer is likely no as the Glorious Democratic Free People's Wonderful European Super Fantastic State* will break up countries and in odd ways to stop any concept of subregions being homogeneous nations as they hate the idea of nations (hence why they strongly opposed Scottish Independence, and denied Bosnia and Herzegovina the right to self-determination, among other things).

*I'm not sure I've put in enough words that mean somewhere great to live but imply not.

One thing that I don't understand is the ethnic fighting in places like eastern Europe. For example, Albanians and Serbians hate each other and have fought against each other. Here in the good ol' USA, both the Serbian guy and the Albanian guy would just be known as "white guys" and probably wouldn't even know the ethnicity of the other person. I'm a mutt, and I've been asked if I was anything from Puerto Rican to Native American to Scandinavian to French (I'm mostly British, with some German, French, Belgian, eastern European, European Jewish, Iberian (Spain and Portugal) and a tiny bit of Scandinavian and Irish. These were from my DNA test results.

Quote from: bugo on November 05, 2014, 03:56:21 PM
One thing that I don't understand is the ethnic fighting in places like eastern Europe. For example, Albanians and Serbians hate each other and have fought against each other. Here in the good ol' USA, both the Serbian guy and the Albanian guy would just be known as "white guys" and probably wouldn't even know the ethnicity of the other person. I'm a mutt, and I've been asked if I was anything from Puerto Rican to Native American to Scandinavian to French (I'm mostly British, with some German, French, Belgian, eastern European, European Jewish, Iberian (Spain and Portugal) and a tiny bit of Scandinavian and Irish. These were from my DNA test results.

All you have to think about is, people of ethnic group X raped/killed/enslaved/pillaged/evicted/conquered your mother/father/uncle/sister/grandmother (or you) and others of the same persuasion simply because you are of ethnic group Y.  It helps if they more or less got away with it. 

Quote from: Pete from Boston on November 05, 2014, 04:17:14 PM

Quote from: bugo on November 05, 2014, 03:56:21 PM
One thing that I don't understand is the ethnic fighting in places like eastern Europe. For example, Albanians and Serbians hate each other and have fought against each other. Here in the good ol' USA, both the Serbian guy and the Albanian guy would just be known as "white guys" and probably wouldn't even know the ethnicity of the other person. I'm a mutt, and I've been asked if I was anything from Puerto Rican to Native American to Scandinavian to French (I'm mostly British, with some German, French, Belgian, eastern European, European Jewish, Iberian (Spain and Portugal) and a tiny bit of Scandinavian and Irish. These were from my DNA test results.

All you have to think about is, people of ethnic group X raped/killed/enslaved/pillaged/evicted/conquered your mother/father/uncle/sister/grandmother (or you) and others of the same persuasion simply because you are of ethnic group Y.  It helps if they more or less got away with it. 

I understand the history behind it, but I still can't wrap my head around it. Like I said, here they would just be white folks. America is a true melting pot in many ways. If African Americans and European Americans can get along as well as they do (despite what the media says, I generally get along great with black folks) then it looks like eastern Europeans could get along better.

The Balkans not about ethnicity (they are basically all the same ethnicity, especially in former Yugoslavia where the ethnicity is in the name!): it's about culture, history, religion and politics. Kosovars and Montenegrins didn't feel Serbian, because they weren't. Croatians, Macedonians and Slovenes didn't feel Yugoslavian, because such a thing never really existed (except maybe in Serbia). Add in Serbia (stoked by Russia and some EU countries) trying to hold Yugoslavia together by force, rather than let it break up into nation states, and then the resulting attrition and war crimes, and you've got a hot bed of hatred.

In France, which is perhaps the most extreme*, it's simply 'French' if you are a citizen and anything else is an abhorration. America is unique, as its national identity is shared dreams and philosophies, rather than shared history and culture. That you have Albanian-Americans and Serbian-Americans makes little sense to the rest of the world (though strangely the USA who dislikes dual-citizenship more than most, but constantly describes people as dual-nationality). It's only really America that is OK with different ethnicities and nationalities living together but still defines people by their ethnic and national ancestry in a major way. It can look like pointing out smugly "look at us, we're a melting pot, we've got all these different flavours" to which the French would reply "you've not fully melted as you aren't one gloopy mess like we are".

It's when you try and change people's nationalities and deny self-definition of nationality (less of an issue in the US, as the US is a deliberately artificial nation that you move to or grow up in and can seemingly belong to two nationalities: unlike Europe or Yugoslavia, which are artificial nationalities are imposed on people without consultation and without modifications or qualifications) that the nationalistic tensions grow.

Slovenes and Croats get on well now, I gather - they didn't get on when they were forced to get along by being in one state and pretending to be the same (unlike Slovene-Americans and Croatian-Americans who are both American, but different, Slovene-Yugoslavs and Croat-Yugoslavs didn't exist - just Yugoslavs). That they can rule themselves (OK, that Brussels can let them rule themselves within parameters) diffused the tension.

Germans fear to go to Greece because of nationalistic tensions caused by trying to treat the Eurozone as one nation and Greece just getting shafted time and time again for not being Germanic, with German politicians stoking the fire against 'lazy' Greeks (who work more hours than Germans do - or at least did before mass unemployment hit due to Eurocrats hating diversity). The French have the racist and fascist Front Nationale as their second biggest party as the 'all melted together and indistinguishable' hasn't worked.

Along with WW2 and the whole Middle East for 95 years, the Balkans show that the Brits and French were awful at drawing lines on maps in 1919 as they didn't care about who lived there and their allegences. Ireland's partition was perhaps the best line drawn, as they made some effort, but as we know that was hardly a roaring success.

*British national identity allows you to be English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or Northern Irish, rather than/alongside British. We don't do 'African-British' or similar though - it would be "British of African origin", etc to describe national identity - still solely British, but with a little qualifier. The 'Italian-' in Italian-American, etc all sound like modifiers that change the Americanness, whereas nowhere else in the world thinks like that.

uh, guys, good discussion, but

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"Marin County's Red Leader Highway still using wrong character's picture on trailblazers."

"TDOT reviving plan for building the northern arc of TN 840"

"Third bridge open across the Mississippi River in the Memphis area"

"Will interstates be decommissioned once parallel Super-Autobahn roads are completed?"

"Illinois DOT still won't extend I-41 from Wisconsin"

"Piedmont Turnpike, linking Atlanta and Charlotte, nearing capacity"

"New, more expensive toll lanes to be built alongside existing toll lanes and general purpose lanes along I-635 in Dallas"

"I-35 to be demolished through Austin, forcing traffic to use TX 130"

"Houston finishes fifth beltway, the Rick Perry Super Toll Road connecting Galveston, Angleton, Wharton, Sealy,  Hempstead, and Huntsville"

"Creative re-use ideas for land roads"

85 years of stalling: PennDOT admits they could've widen the Schuylkill Expressway several times now, while SEPTA continuously delays plans to build a new rail line from Center City Philadelphia to King of Prussia.

Quote from: SSOWorld on November 06, 2014, 04:52:38 AM
uh, guys, good discussion, but

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Didn't Red Leader get blown up by a TIE fighter, namely Darth Vader's TIE fighter?

Quote from: Brandon on November 06, 2014, 09:22:24 AM

Quote from: SSOWorld on November 06, 2014, 04:52:38 AM
uh, guys, good discussion, but

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quickmeme.com%2Fimg%2F1b%2F1b3c975594b1466e949b7764b00c97df8cf8311cd2f8163fd1685a1070994d6e.jpg&hash=069d1a877600724eea7c2e9cad2d105c375d3418)

Didn't Red Leader get blown up by a TIE fighter, namely Darth Vader's TIE fighter?

He did get blown up.  So did Porkins (come on, Lucas), the guy in this picture.

So now we're being thrown off topic about a meme that is trying to keep us on topic?

I feel like this is appropriate:
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"Flooded Wallace and Bankhead Tunnels cause Mobile residents to regret I-10 bridge decision"

Suggestions & Questions subforum: "Threads on AARoads being thrown off-topic at a rate of 100 times a day"  :-D

"Tricking self-driving cars into taking the long way."

"AA Roads Topics That Have Veered Off-Topic In The Past 50 Years"

"Visiting the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel National Monument...While You Can"

Quote from: SSOWorld on November 06, 2014, 04:52:38 AM
uh, guys, good discussion, but

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I created the topic, so I get to pick what is on and off topic. Ethnic conflicts are definitely on topic because there will still be ethnic conflicts in 2064.

"What will the numbering system be in the newly balkanized countries of the former Russia?"

Quote from: Pete from Boston on November 06, 2014, 11:48:53 AM
"Tricking self-driving cars into taking the long way."

Nice.

"All religious talk is punishable by the Freedom from Religion Act of 2055. Anybody caught talking about religion in a forum where it is not wanted is subject to prosecution and if the offender is found guilty, he could be looking at a hefty fine and prison time."

Quote from: codyg1985 on November 06, 2014, 07:34:37 AM
"Illinois DOT IDiOT still won't extend I-41 from Wisconsin"

FIXED!! :)

"State Speed Limit status - Only Oregon and Wisconsin remain at 65 max"

"CalTrans imposes congestion charges on SF, SD and LA freeways with FasTrak required"

Quote from: Darkchylde on November 03, 2014, 07:10:49 PM
"California adopts 2009 MUTCD"

Sorry but I don't follow on this one.  Califronia adopted the 2009 MUTCD in 2012.

Quote from: cl94 on November 03, 2014, 09:42:15 PM
California adopts MUTCD-standard arrow pavement markings

This is another one I don't follow.  What's wrong with California's arrow pavement markings?

Quote from: vdeane on November 04, 2014, 12:44:02 PM
"California to finish exit numbering program"

THAT is totally believable! :-D  That should be around the time when the last of the button-copy signs would be at the end of their serviceable lives.

"Google Maps VR SUCKS now"

Quote from: odditude on November 06, 2014, 04:06:01 PM
"Google Maps VR SUCKS now"

Does anyone know how to disable the 75 mph governor on Google Maps VR StreetDrive?

Quote from: bugo on November 06, 2014, 03:04:51 PM

Quote from: Pete from Boston on November 06, 2014, 11:48:53 AM
"Tricking self-driving cars into taking the long way."

Nice.

This is pretty much what I did to my parents for the first 17 years of my life.  Hopefully the car will trust me, too.   

Just set an intermediate point. As long as you're white, it won't care where you go.

Quote from: myosh_tino on November 06, 2014, 03:40:20 PM

Quote from: Darkchylde on November 03, 2014, 07:10:49 PM
"California adopts 2009 MUTCD"

Sorry but I don't follow on this one.  Califronia adopted the 2009 MUTCD in 2012.

No, they adopted the California MUTCD, which has a bunch of differences that say "I dare you to come after me because I'm big and important."

Quote from: myosh_tino on November 06, 2014, 03:40:20 PM

Quote from: cl94 on November 03, 2014, 09:42:15 PM
California adopts MUTCD-standard arrow pavement markings

This is another one I don't follow.  What's wrong with California's arrow pavement markings?

Most of the country, including New York (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.330085,-73.6729269,136m/data=!3m1!1e3), follows the MUTCD standard of 9.5' arrows, whether they be normal width (shown) or thin (Pennsylvania). California specifies up to 24' arrows, as shown here in Pasadena (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.1516746,-118.0951982,157m/data=!3m1!1e3). I've seen them in plenty of other places.

Quote from: cl94 on November 06, 2014, 07:42:22 PM

Quote from: myosh_tino on November 06, 2014, 03:40:20 PM

Quote from: cl94 on November 03, 2014, 09:42:15 PM
California adopts MUTCD-standard arrow pavement markings

This is another one I don't follow.  What's wrong with California's arrow pavement markings?

Most of the country, including New York (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.330085,-73.6729269,136m/data=!3m1!1e3), follows the MUTCD standard of 9.5' arrows, whether they be normal width (shown) or thin (Pennsylvania). California specifies up to 24' arrows, as shown here in Pasadena (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.1516746,-118.0951982,157m/data=!3m1!1e3). I've seen them in plenty of other places.

Hmmm... isn't bigger always better?  :spin:

Seriously though, I don't see what the problem is with the larger arrows.

Bucking the trend, RIDOT switches back to cutout Interstate shields

Last state to finally use the mandated Comic Sans font on all signs.

Pennsylvania finally starts on the PA 51 to I-376 portion of the MonFayette Expressway.

"Arkansas decommissions 75% of state highways and save millions."

Quote from: robbones on November 07, 2014, 05:33:37 AM
"Arkansas decommissions 75% of state highways and save millions."

Kentucky would do well to follow suit.

Quote from: codyg1985 on November 07, 2014, 07:14:59 AM

Quote from: robbones on November 07, 2014, 05:33:37 AM
"Arkansas decommissions 75% of state highways and save millions."

Kentucky would do well to follow suit.

So would Pennsylvania.

Quote from: english si on November 05, 2014, 08:21:24 PM
Along with WW2 and the whole Middle East for 95 years, the Balkans show that the Brits and French were awful at drawing lines on maps in 1919 as they didn't care about who lived there and their allegences. Ireland's partition was perhaps the best line drawn, as they made some effort, but as we know that was hardly a roaring success.

This is why wars and conflicts keep happening. If the lines were drawn to give each tribe and/or ethnic group its own country, we wouldn't have this problem.

Fictional Highways: How would you have numbered the post-unification North Korean highways?

Quote from: Laura on November 07, 2014, 10:13:36 AM

Quote from: english si on November 05, 2014, 08:21:24 PM
Along with WW2 and the whole Middle East for 95 years, the Balkans show that the Brits and French were awful at drawing lines on maps in 1919 as they didn't care about who lived there and their allegences. Ireland's partition was perhaps the best line drawn, as they made some effort, but as we know that was hardly a roaring success.

This is why wars and conflicts keep happening. If the lines were drawn to give each tribe and/or ethnic group its own country, we wouldn't have this problem.

Worked in Israel, right?

Quote from: Pete from Boston on November 07, 2014, 12:07:52 PM

Quote from: Laura on November 07, 2014, 10:13:36 AM

Quote from: english si on November 05, 2014, 08:21:24 PM
Along with WW2 and the whole Middle East for 95 years, the Balkans show that the Brits and French were awful at drawing lines on maps in 1919 as they didn't care about who lived there and their allegences. Ireland's partition was perhaps the best line drawn, as they made some effort, but as we know that was hardly a roaring success.

This is why wars and conflicts keep happening. If the lines were drawn to give each tribe and/or ethnic group its own country, we wouldn't have this problem.

Worked in Israel, right?

Borders exist only because you have to draw a dividing line somewhere, but in the modern context, they mean very little.

Quote from: jakeroot on November 07, 2014, 02:34:44 PM

Quote from: Pete from Boston on November 07, 2014, 12:07:52 PM

Quote from: Laura on November 07, 2014, 10:13:36 AM

Quote from: english si on November 05, 2014, 08:21:24 PM
Along with WW2 and the whole Middle East for 95 years, the Balkans show that the Brits and French were awful at drawing lines on maps in 1919 as they didn't care about who lived there and their allegences. Ireland's partition was perhaps the best line drawn, as they made some effort, but as we know that was hardly a roaring success.

This is why wars and conflicts keep happening. If the lines were drawn to give each tribe and/or ethnic group its own country, we wouldn't have this problem.

Worked in Israel, right?

Borders exist only because you have to draw a dividing line somewhere, but in the modern context, they mean very little.

Their perpetual sanctity, however, has become sort of a cornerstone of international law, even when they are at the heart of conflict.*



(* Except when a boundary change pleases the powerful guarantors of said law.)

'Last piece of trans-global freeway finally opened'.

Quote from: Laura on November 07, 2014, 10:13:36 AMFictional Highways: How would you have numbered the post-unification North Korean highways?

I believe by then the Democratic People's ( :-D) Republic of (North) Korea and the Republic of (South) Korea will have unified.

Quote from: Big John on November 06, 2014, 08:30:29 PM
Last state to finally use the mandated Comic Sans font on all signs.

WTF??? That's even worse than that crappy Clearview! But anyway...

"Chicago finally completes I-494 Crosstown Expressway, then renames it Century Expressway for the amount of time it took to plan and build it!"

"NY to begin another study concerning the proposed Rooftop Highway"

"Appalachian counties with more ceremonial bridge names than people"

Off Topic > Will Chicago ever climb out of bankruptcy?

AARoads forum contributor found guilty of murdering California assemblyman who proposed change in US shield design
_{'Fuck Clearview' found written in perfect Series E(M) with button copy on deceased body}

"AARoads Calendar still missing after 50 years"

(It's actually been missing the past week or so, but I didn't think this was important enough to nitpick about in an entire thread in the Suggestions/Questions subforum)

"Counties without roads named after Bush/Obama/The-2016-Elect"

Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on November 07, 2014, 04:17:53 PM
'Last piece of trans-global freeway finally opened'.

Quote from: Laura on November 07, 2014, 10:13:36 AMFictional Highways: How would you have numbered the post-unification North Korean highways?

I believe by then the Democratic People's ( :-D) Republic of (North) Korea and the Republic of (South) Korea will have unified.

Yep, hence the past tense. I'm basically asking where Korea messed up in its renumbering scheme.


iPhone

Caltrans reconnects California 39 to California 2, then extends 39 to tie into 138.

Freeway connecting Palmdale/Lancaster area to La Canada Flintridge via tunnel under San Gabriel Mountains.

Everyone's nightmare come true: New York begins construction a bypass route linking I-390 with NY 400 near Buffalo. I-99 extended to this routing and along I-190 to Canada. Ontario approves redsignating 405 and 400 as I-99 with concurrencies along the QEW and 407 to link both sections, creating first international Interstate

You forgot the extension via ON 17 to the road to Rankin Inlet.  I-999 would then be created as a spur along the Trans Canada, Alaska Highway, and the Dalton Highway to Deadhorse.  Of course, the I-87 extension to Iqaluit would be built as well.

Quote from: vdeane on November 12, 2014, 12:51:50 PM
You forgot the extension via ON 17 to the road to Rankin Inlet.  I-999 would then be created as a spur along the Trans Canada, Alaska Highway, and the Dalton Highway to Deadhorse.  Of course, the I-87 extension to Iqaluit would be built as well.

I thought about that after I posted. Someone (Kurumi?) made a nightmare-inducing series of I-99 signs as if it was extended south and west.

"FHWA announces plans to extend I-99 to California. Cardinal directions to be replaced with "Los Angeles", "West Virginia", "Toronto", and "North Pole."

It's still in Kurumi's TrippyDrive applet.

Quote from: vdeane on October 24, 2014, 01:41:44 PM
"Virginia to raise top speed limit to 75"

Fixed :spin: (yes I know it was part of the joke)

Winston-Salem Beltway to begin construction in 2066
Last cutout shield in Virginia gone

Southeast: Alabama to start using the FYA.

If Korea reunified, it would bankrupt South Korea. Germany is still feeling the effects of reunification 25 years later.

The US is still feeling the effects 150 years later. :troll:

Quote from: Laura on November 10, 2014, 07:01:28 AM
Yep, hence the past tense. I'm basically asking where Korea messed up in its renumbering scheme.

Then South Korea has already numbered the roads in the North, they are waiting for posting them :sombrero:. As far as everyone knows North Korea doesn't have numbers.

Back to topic:
Last US route decommisioned

Eisenhower Interstate System turned 100 in 2056

3-year bump. Since the "threads you will never see" thread got locked, I feel like this is a good replacement. Please stay on topic.

Self-driving cars to be expected within the next 10 years

Tucson reaches 3 million people; traffic congestion rivals New York City and Chicago (but still not as bad as Los Angeles)

Donald J. Trump Memorial Bridge (NJ/NY 25) over Hudson River increases tolls from $45 to $55; Cuomo Bridge (I-287) remains at 2036 prices at $11

Florida: I-575 in The Villages metro area gets expanded to 18 lanes: eight on top, ten on the bottom; third road in US to be fully double-decker

Quote from: 1 on October 13, 2017, 08:07:42 PM
Donald J. Trump Memorial Bridge (NJ/NY 25) over Hudson River increases tolls from $45 to $55; Cuomo Bridge (I-287) remains at 2036 prices at $11

They'd never name anything after The Donald in New York City. Never. You underestimate how much people there hate him. You're more likely to see something named after him in any other state.

And are you referring to the Mario Cuomo Bridge (Tappan Zee) or the Andrew Cuomo Bridge (I-287's Sound crossing)?

Quote from: cl94 on October 13, 2017, 08:10:31 PM

Quote from: 1 on October 13, 2017, 08:07:42 PM
Donald J. Trump Memorial Bridge (NJ/NY 25) over Hudson River increases tolls from $45 to $55; Cuomo Bridge (I-287) remains at 2036 prices at $11

They'd never name anything after The Donald in New York City. Never. You underestimate how much people there hate him. You're more likely to see something named after him in any other state.

And are you referring to the Mario Cuomo Bridge (Tappan Zee) or the Andrew Cuomo Bridge (I-287's Sound crossing)?

Mario Cuomo, as the Andrew Cuomo bridge crosses the Sound, not the Hudson.

"ConnDOT officials to hold public meeting on latest plans for 7/15 Interchange. Wilton residents plan to burn meeting hall to the ground, to prevent any ideas of extending Super-7."

"Should MassDOT build a new MassPike interchange in 30 mile gap between Westfield and Lee?"

"MassDOT assures Cape Cod residents that new signs on Route 6 will be no larger than a standard index card.  Cape Commission worried about signs impact on nearby scenic power-line corridor."

"Nassau County Bridge Authority votes to reject EZ-Pass implementation."

"Half Life 3 is released"

"PennDOT succeeds in tolling I-80"

"Toll costs for drivers on the PA Turnpike to decrease to $0.05 cents per mile from a record high of $50 per mile"

1/10th of my plans are completed.

The Eastshore Freeway I-80 is renamed the Jerry Brown memorial freeway from the Carquinez Bridge to the MacArthur Maze in Oakland.

CA-110 Arroyo Seco Parkway becomes Tommy Lasorda parkway!.

Jeff Bezos III announces that his firm, AnyOtherJungle.com, has purchased the franchise for all electric-vehicle recharging stations west of the Mississippi River.  Analysts speculate that this transaction is a follow-up to his deployment of 289 square miles of solar panels in the Mojave Desert just east of Fort Irwin, CA. 

Since this originally was 50 years from the date, I updated the subject title :bigass:. IMO the "Threads you'll never see on aaroads.com" should be reopened after a while.

On topic, and in the International Highways section: "Last missing freeway piece in Western Kazakhstan opens to traffic. One can now drive from Lisbon to Beijing entirely on freeways".

Originap forum members who are still alive

Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 14, 2017, 05:34:26 AM
On topic, and in the International Highways section: "Last missing freeway piece in Western Kazakhstan opens to traffic. One can now drive from Lisbon to Beijing entirely on freeways".

That would be really cool, TBH, though I doubt it would happen even by 2067.

Quote from: kurumi on October 24, 2014, 11:37:33 AM
Route 11 Divisive Topic in Gov Debates

Aidan/Braden Kinabalu and Bella Katniss Sophia McAllister's final debate showcased the perennial hot-button issue for southeastern Connecticut: what to do about Route 11. Conceived over 100 years ago as part of an expressway connecting New London to Hartford, construction stopped 92 years ago at Route 82 in Salem -- and never resumed.

Kinabalu blamed the incumbent Democrat for what he called "foot-dragging" by the Department of Transportation and Teleportation, and pointed to a stack of 142 environmental impact reports and studies, none of which have resulted in any actual construction. In June, the Army Black Mesa Corps of Engineers rejected a DOTT plan for a lower-profile proposal that would have resulted in lower impact to nearby wetlands. The extended Route 11 would narrow down to two 10-foot lanes, only one of them paved, with earthen barriers every two miles that would require drivers to get out and walk. Signs would be printed on material made from recycled Whole Foods bags with soy-based ink. Sign text would be generated from Maya Angelou poems using Markov chains. Animals would be trained to follow trails of synthetic formic acid pheromones to find their way to wide overcrossings. The latest cost projections are on the order of three to four billion yuan.

McAllister, fighting lower subscription numbers on her YouTube2 channel, and still battling criticism over a leaked Vine of her fall 2062 emotional affair with Kinabalu, called for a "throwback" Route 11 constructed much like the existing four-lane stretch in Colchester. "If the money didn't ran out in the 1970s, we are not even having this conversation lah," she said, her trademark fistful of black and white kittens thrust into the air. Helmeted police tossed xenomorph face-huggers into the crowd, signaling the end of the debate.

Comments
OMFG seriously do not read the comments. You should know this by now

(c) 2064, Boston Courant/Globe

This was brilliant and I somehow skipped it.  :clap:

Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 14, 2017, 05:34:26 AMOn topic, and in the International Highways section: "Last missing freeway piece in Western Kazakhstan opens to traffic. One can now drive from Lisbon to Beijing entirely on freeways".

That route definitely won't go through the empty steppe north of the Caspian. It would go via Tehran. Plus the Kazakhs would get it done before the Russians.

China, Iran and Russia vying for influence in Central Asia, as well as Turkmeni and Kazakh oil money will likely fill in the gaps on a the Tehran - Tashkent - Almaty - Urumqi route (and maybe an alternative route heading west from Kashgar to Uzbekistan). That leaves Kurdistan as the gap, as the Nis-Sofia freeway will be finished once the Bulgarians get on the case. Turkey and/or Iran will fill that gap in a similar vie for influence/occupy the region type move.

Which US Route and Interstate have the least number of raiders to avoid crossing the wasteland?

VDOT revives Third Crossing and Eastern Shore interstate proposals
Fort Eustis interchange upgrade construction begins
Powhite Parkway extension construction begins

5th Anniversary of Interstate 422

Cyborg Phantom Pains You Suffer From

Electric Sheep You've Dreamed About

Does Anyone Else Belong to MisterFusionBuddy.com?

Merger between American Airlines, Alcoholics Anonymous, American Automobile Association, Aaron's Aardvarks, and AARoads leads to the AAAAAAAAAAARoads Consortium.

Quote from: Takumi on October 14, 2017, 05:44:10 AM
Originap forum members who are still alive

Most members under 35 should still be alive then.

Candlestick Park becomes a park and ride for Southern Crossing.

Realistically,

"I-90 Floating Bridge Replacement Project" in Northwest

I think the lifespan of the 90 bridges through there is about 75 years, but the bridges were complete in the early 90s, so things would line up pretty well.

More fun to think what kind of bridge would potentially replace the two bridges. I'm sure self-driving cars will play an important roll in civil engineering by then.

Poplar Street Bridge is still under construction.

Southern terminus of Interstate 55 turned into boat launch on the former site of Laplace, Louisiana.

CalTrans to build 60-lane freeway over the San Andreas fault.

ODOT switches over to Arial for all their signage. Yes, shields included.

Every city along I-35 now using I-35W/E system.

Interstate 80 extended to Hawaii.

Interstate 70 extended to the Bay Area.

National speed limit lowered to 10 miles per camel.

Rams stadium in Los Angeles sinks into the ocean.

I-11 completed.

"I-99 Nearing Completion Between I-80 and Williamsport"

"Dillsburg has Only Remaining Traffic Light on Pennsylvania's US 15"

"PA Turnpike Plans 47th Consecutive Annual Toll Increase"

"NJ Transit Studying Connection to Allentown"

"Harrisburg, Williamsport Join New York City Metro Area"

"Maryland and Virgina Disagree on Funding for Potomac River Bridge"

Nexus 6P

China spaceroad agency announces completion of first moon highway linking polar base to Mare Imbrium settlement designated as Moon-1
Citylab:  We don't need to make same mistakes on the Moon! Nobody  needs 4-lane highway when a subsurface rocket-powered monorail would be a perfect way to introduce public transportation for all Lunar needs!

Off Topic:  The Jetsons 100th Anniversary Collection released.  Historians debate about how accurately Hanna-Barbera predicted the future.

S.F. Bay Bridge Collapses.  Steel truss proposed replacement.

Max's Roads; CA 190 complete route

EOE reaches Elgin

Northwest > "Newberg-Dundee Bypass Phase 3 set for completion in 2068"

"Second Avenue Subway to take another five years before completion"

Perkins Union Named Most Free State In The Union

Quote from: Sanctimoniously on October 16, 2017, 08:37:23 PM
Perkins Union Named Most Free State In The Union

What is the Perkins Union?

There was no secret war with Nimbya. It was all a hoax!

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 16, 2017, 08:57:11 PM

Quote from: Sanctimoniously on October 16, 2017, 08:37:23 PM
Perkins Union Named Most Free State In The Union

What is the Perkins Union?

Read the Alanland thread. The first several pages should set you straight. As mentioned in another thread, I found that the discussion became less engaging around page 53, and making it even that far might just confuse you more.

"Officials: I-49 south of Fort Smith might not be completed for decades"

The 210 Interstate markings are complete around San Bernardino

The 210/134 interchange is reconfigured.

auto drive car user hit with 5K ticket after fees and interest after an 6mo court fight over who needs to pay the ticket (the time frame to fight the ticket it self long passed in the basic paperwork before the user (Not the real owner) even found out that you may have to pay a ticket at time it was only $1K but they where like no I'm going to court just to wait 1 mo to find out no the time for traffic court is over and this needs to civil court) and where was a big issue of car software vs map data etc.

The LAPD announces that Blade Runners commissoned to "retire" rogue self-driving cars.

Breezewood

Quote from: Joe The Dragon on October 17, 2017, 11:09:19 AM
auto drive car user hit with 5K ticket after fees and interest after an 6mo court fight over who needs to pay the ticket (the time frame to fight the ticket it self long passed in the basic paperwork before the user (Not the real owner) even found out that you may have to pay a ticket at time it was only $1K but they where like no I'm going to court just to wait 1 mo to find out no the time for traffic court is over and this needs to civil court) and where was a big issue of car software vs map data etc.

That's a really long topic.

"Georgia Highway 316 has finally been converted to a fully limited-access highway"

"Construction has started on I-69 in rural Arkansas"

"Interstate 69 fully complete in Tennessee"

"Interstate 14 has been completed in all states"

Quote from: kphoger on October 17, 2017, 11:18:44 AM

Quote from: Joe The Dragon on October 17, 2017, 11:09:19 AM
auto drive car user hit with 5K ticket after fees and interest after an 6mo court fight over who needs to pay the ticket (the time frame to fight the ticket it self long passed in the basic paperwork before the user (Not the real owner) even found out that you may have to pay a ticket at time it was only $1K but they where like no I'm going to court just to wait 1 mo to find out no the time for traffic court is over and this needs to civil court) and where was a big issue of car software vs map data etc.

That's a really long topic.

https://youtu.be/29vjQwnt-Fw (NSFW)

Hey! No fair deleting my trolling post instead of locking this silly thread.

Quote from: kphoger on October 17, 2017, 11:18:44 AM

Quote from: Joe The Dragon on October 17, 2017, 11:09:19 AM
auto drive car user hit with 5K ticket after fees and interest after an 6mo court fight over who needs to pay the ticket (the time frame to fight the ticket it self long passed in the basic paperwork before the user (Not the real owner) even found out that you may have to pay a ticket at time it was only $1K but they where like no I'm going to court just to wait 1 mo to find out no the time for traffic court is over and this needs to civil court) and where was a big issue of car software vs map data etc.

That's a really long topic.

yes it's more of an idea that can happen by then

Quote from: Takumi on October 17, 2017, 11:36:31 AM
(NSFW)

I just want to say...  Whenever I see this initialism, my mind keeps wanting it to stand for New South Wales.  .  .  .  or maybe New South -foundland Wales.

Quote from: freebrickproductions on November 26, 2014, 06:01:56 PM
Southeast: Alabama to start using the FYA.

Old Monrovia and Biltmore now has one.

A few more ideas I didn't think to put in my post earlier today..


"Alabama has started construction on the Interstate 22 extension that will eventually lead to Brunswick, Georgia"

"The New Interstate connecting Columbus, GA and Panama City, FL has finally been completed"

"Interstate 526 has finally been completed, after the missing gap on the Johns and James Islands has been filled"

Quote from: Takumi on October 17, 2017, 11:36:31 AM
(NSFW)

Rapping has two "p"s.  I sincerely hope that what they're doing.

Quote from: Brandon on October 17, 2017, 02:23:51 PM

Quote from: Takumi on October 17, 2017, 11:36:31 AM
(NSFW)

Rapping has two "p"s.  I sincerely hope that what they're doing.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:DAFT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:DAFT)

Quote from: formulanone on October 17, 2017, 01:49:09 PM

Quote from: freebrickproductions on November 26, 2014, 06:01:56 PM
Southeast: Alabama to start using the FYA.

Old Monrovia and Biltmore now has one.

Huntsville's been using them for several years now, though I want to say ALDOT adopted the FYA not long after I made that post.

Got one more:
"President FritzOwl (or whatever his real name is) to decommission US routes; wants all NATO countries to adopt the Interstate Highway System"

"Pennsylvania considers shoulder use during rush hour on i-476"

"Pennsylvania cancels all funding for current and future highway projects"

Quote from: hbelkins on October 17, 2017, 12:12:59 PM
Hey! No fair deleting my trolling post instead of locking this silly thread.

The mods are trying not to lock as much.

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 06:56:48 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on October 17, 2017, 12:12:59 PM
Hey! No fair deleting my trolling post instead of locking this silly thread.

The mods are trying not to lock as much.

Oh, have you been invited to the inner sanctum where the moderators discuss how to rule the board?

Quote from: kkt on October 17, 2017, 07:46:09 PM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 06:56:48 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on October 17, 2017, 12:12:59 PM
Hey! No fair deleting my trolling post instead of locking this silly thread.

The mods are trying not to lock as much.

Oh, have you been invited to the inner sanctum where the moderators discuss how to rule the board?

No, but I am getting a generl idea.

Here's another moderately serious thread:

Battle Ground-Eatonville section of West Coast autonomous highway opens, completing final link in Northwest

I don't know if any current freeways will convert to self-driving only within 50 years, but I bet the west coast states will eventually band together to fund a new fully-autonomous roadway linking Vancouver and San Diego. A hundred years from now, I can see human-operated vehicles being banned for use on public highways.

Quote from: freebrickproductions on October 17, 2017, 02:41:27 PM
Got one more:
"President FritzOwl (or whatever his real name is) to decommission US routes; wants all NATO countries to adopt the Interstate Highway System"

I just realized that 2064 will be an election year should things go smoothly between then or now, so I'm changing this to:
"Presidential Candidate FritzOwl wants to decommission US routes and make all NATO countries to adopt the Interstate Highway System"

And adding:
"Environmental Groups oppose Presidential Candidate FritzOwl's proposal to put an Interstate through Yellowstone"

Quote from: freebrickproductions on October 17, 2017, 10:43:37 PM

Quote from: freebrickproductions on October 17, 2017, 02:41:27 PM
Got one more:
"President FritzOwl (or whatever his real name is) to decommission US routes; wants all NATO countries to adopt the Interstate Highway System"

I just realized that 2064 will be an election year should things go smoothly between then or now, so I'm changing this to:
"Presidential Candidate FritzOwl wants to decommission US routes and make all NATO countries to adopt the Interstate Highway System"

And adding:
"Environmental Groups oppose Presidential Candidate FritzOwl's proposal to put an Interstate through Yellowstone"

"Vice president supports building crazy tunnels as outrage by environmentalists happens"

Ribbon-cutting ceremony:  the last mile of the US-4xx highways is now officially an Interstate.

Quote from: kphoger on October 18, 2017, 04:51:00 PM
Ribbon-cutting ceremony:  the last mile of the US-4xx highways is now officially an Interstate.

What is an US-4xx highway?

Quote from: kphoger on October 17, 2017, 01:13:42 PM

Quote from: Takumi on October 17, 2017, 11:36:31 AM
(NSFW)

I just want to say...  Whenever I see this initialism, my mind keeps wanting it to stand for New South Wales.  .  .  .  or maybe New South -foundland Wales.

New SouF Wales.

Quote from: Takumi on October 18, 2017, 06:14:18 PM

Quote from: kphoger on October 17, 2017, 01:13:42 PM

Quote from: Takumi on October 17, 2017, 11:36:31 AM
(NSFW)

I just want to say...  Whenever I see this initialism, my mind keeps wanting it to stand for New South Wales.  .  .  .  or maybe New South -foundland Wales.

New SouF Wales.

North South fEast West

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 18, 2017, 05:51:06 PM

Quote from: kphoger on October 18, 2017, 04:51:00 PM
Ribbon-cutting ceremony:  the last mile of the US-4xx highways is now officially an Interstate.

What is an US-4xx highway?

US 400, 412, and 425. Supposedly they were high priority corridors for future interstates, IIRC.

Lane addition for I-180 in IL to be completed in October.

Quote from: Rick Powell on October 18, 2017, 11:04:09 PM
Lane addition for I-180 in IL to be completed in October.

But does that I-180 make it to Quincy yet, and has taken over I-172 in the process?

It made it to Peoria in the 40s!

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 06:56:48 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on October 17, 2017, 12:12:59 PM
Hey! No fair deleting my trolling post instead of locking this silly thread.

The mods are trying not to lock as much.

I've been trying to lock more threads than usual but I keep missing when I try to click the button.

"President Barron Trump unveils highway overhaul infrastructure plan"

Quote from: Rick Powell on October 18, 2017, 11:04:09 PM
Lane addition for I-180 in IL to be completed in October.

This is my favorite one so far.

Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2017, 06:23:04 AM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 06:56:48 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on October 17, 2017, 12:12:59 PM
Hey! No fair deleting my trolling post instead of locking this silly thread.

The mods are trying not to lock as much.

I've been trying to lock more threads than usual but I keep missing when I try to click the button.

You having hand trouble? Go see a doctor.

Quote from: hbelkins on October 19, 2017, 11:16:50 AM
"President Barron Trump unveils highway overhaul infrastructure plan"

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4456/37131193203_562ed3c78e_o.png)

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 19, 2017, 06:22:55 PM

Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2017, 06:23:04 AM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 06:56:48 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on October 17, 2017, 12:12:59 PM
Hey! No fair deleting my trolling post instead of locking this silly thread.

The mods are trying not to lock as much.

I've been trying to lock more threads than usual but I keep missing when I try to click the button.

You having hand trouble? Go see a doctor.

No, every time I try to click the button NE2 unplugs my mouse.

Quote from: bugo on October 19, 2017, 07:13:52 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on October 19, 2017, 11:16:50 AM
"President Barron Trump unveils highway overhaul infrastructure plan"

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4456/37131193203_562ed3c78e_o.png)

Don't worry, this is an entirely unrealistic headline. Barron Trump wouldn't focus on infrastructure, he'd be too busy with the cyber. He's very good at the cyber.

Quote from: hbelkins on October 19, 2017, 11:16:50 AM
"President Barron Trump unveils highway overhaul infrastructure plan"

2064 MUTCD Requires All Public Signage in Cyrillic

The 2017 Pfeiffer Canyon Bridge to be replaced after damage from mudslides caused by record winter rainfalls in Big Sur.

South Pasadena Petitions CalTrans to Build I-710 Missing Link
·La Canada-Flintridge Still Reticent

Quote from: formulanone on October 19, 2017, 08:03:43 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on October 19, 2017, 11:16:50 AM
"President Barron Trump unveils highway overhaul infrastructure plan"

2064 MUTCD Requires All Public Signage in Cyrillic

Chinese is a better bet. Or metric....

Quote from: formulanone on October 19, 2017, 08:03:43 PM
2064 MUTCD Requires All Public Signage in Comic Sans

FIFY.

Quote from: roadman on October 20, 2017, 10:44:56 AM

Quote from: formulanone on October 19, 2017, 08:03:43 PM
2064 MUTCD Requires All Public Signage in Comic Sans

FIFY.

I can't think of a surer way to get a group of people to commit mass suicide.

"Supreme Court Agrees to Hear Appeal Regarding Clearview"

Meeker family's suit challenging FHWA's rejection of their father's font in 2015 appears headed for final resolution

Quote from: hbelkins on October 20, 2017, 11:35:03 AM
"Supreme Court Agrees to Hear Appeal Regarding Clearview"

Meeker family's suit challenging FHWA's rejection of their father's font in 2015 appears headed for final resolution

Realistically, I don't think that there's much of a chance at Clearview ending up the subject of a court case. You can't sue anyone for not buying your product. Any other legal questions would probably be covered by the precedent of South Dakota v. Dole.

"Aluminum shortage forces DOTs to remove signs for scrap, roads in anarchy"

Quote from: MCRoads on October 22, 2017, 10:34:37 AM
"Aluminum shortage forces DOTs to remove signs for scrap, roads in anarchy"

Last BGS removed from the interstate system as Idaho DOT finally complies with requirement for wireless signs on I-90. 
Technology was introduced in 2030s under the expectation that self-driving cars would take over, but it works well for both automatic and human-driven vehicles as Google pushes for legislation increasing nationwide speed limit  for driverless cars to 40 MPH from present 30 MPH. However wireless communication protocol works well for human drivers allowing them clearly seeing windscreen-projected signs at regular highway speed of 125 MPH.

aaroads to close after all signs are taken down and teleporters are in the process of replacing superwarp roads droven on by self driving cars.

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 22, 2017, 06:02:48 PM
aaroads to close after all signs are taken down and teleporters are in the process of replacing superwarp roads droven on by self driving cars.

I'm not sure what the hell superwarp roads are, but should this dystopian, future, theoretical world exist, I would think and hope that the roadgeek community and this forum would still exist to discuss and watch footage of the roads and better world of the past.

Quote from: adventurernumber1 on October 22, 2017, 07:44:45 PM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 22, 2017, 06:02:48 PM
aaroads to close after all signs are taken down and teleporters are in the process of replacing superwarp roads droven on by self driving cars.

I'm not sure what the hell superwarp roads are, but should this dystopian, future, theoretical world exist, I would think and hope that the roadgeek community and this forum would still exist to discuss and watch footage of the roads and better world of the past.

I've had this exact same thought. If we ever do teleport in the future, we will lose an entire aspect of our lives, and the phrase "getting there is half the fun"  will have no meaning.

Quote from: roadguy2 on October 22, 2017, 10:52:26 PM
I've had this exact same thought. If we ever do teleport in the future, we will lose an entire aspect of our lives, and the phrase "getting there is half the fun"  will have no meaning.

I would think at that point, the novelty our niche would occupy would come not from the journey, but from discovering little-known destinations in between the better-known ones.

AlDOT begins construction on next section of Montgomery Outer Loop between Vaughn Rd and US231.

Quote from: adventurernumber1 on October 22, 2017, 07:44:45 PM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 22, 2017, 06:02:48 PM
aaroads to close after all signs are taken down and teleporters are in the process of replacing superwarp roads droven on by self driving cars.

I'm not sure what the hell superwarp roads are, but should this dystopian, future, theoretical world exist, I would think and hope that the roadgeek community and this forum would still exist to discuss and watch footage of the roads and better world of the past.

superwarp roads are roads which move you so quickly that the outside is a blur.

Quote from: MCRoads on October 22, 2017, 10:34:37 AM
"Aluminum shortage forces DOTs to remove signs for scrap, roads in anarchy"

Considering aluminum is by far the most common metal on Earth that isn't going to be an issue.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2017, 11:23:36 AM

Quote from: MCRoads on October 22, 2017, 10:34:37 AM
"Aluminum shortage forces DOTs to remove signs for scrap, roads in anarchy"

Considering aluminum is by far the most common metal on Earth that isn't going to be an issue.

That may be correct, in terms of % of Earth's composition, but aluminum is pretty difficult (read: expensive) to separate from its ore. That's why aluminum recycling is so prevalent. (It's also because aluminum happens to be one of the easiest metals to recycle, what with >90% recovery from recycled waste material...)

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 23, 2017, 11:25:59 AM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2017, 11:23:36 AM

Quote from: MCRoads on October 22, 2017, 10:34:37 AM
"Aluminum shortage forces DOTs to remove signs for scrap, roads in anarchy"

Considering aluminum is by far the most common metal on Earth that isn't going to be an issue.

That may be correct, in terms of % of Earth's composition, but aluminum is one of the most difficult (read: expensive) metals to separate from its ore. That's why aluminum recycling is so popular.

That's true but those refining processes are only getting better with time.  Four decades or so onward I think it would be safe to assume there would be further improvements in aluminum mining. 

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2017, 11:30:48 AM
That's true but those refining processes are only getting better with time.  Four decades or so onward I think it would be safe to assume there would be further improvements in aluminum mining.

While improvements to aluminum smelting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_smelting) might happen, I think the fact that reuse is far more energy efficient than mining of new raw materials will dictate where a large portion of our aluminum comes from even 30+ years from now. (The amount of material recycled, as well as the efficiency of recycling, could both improve as well.)

All of that being said, even with the widespread use of the metal for highway signs, I really quite doubt that particular use being a significant source of the metal in the future.

Trace elements in aluminum cans found to release toxins when contacted by carbon dioxide.  Canned soft drinks to be withdrawn from use, replaced by polycarbonate bottles.

On a related note, DOT's rejoice; AASHTO chairman Scott Bennett III, in an interview with the Washington Post, proclaimed "this is the best news we can receive -- more for us!"  And, in an aside to a reporter, he stated "now we can get our f---ing signs back".

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 23, 2017, 11:45:57 AM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2017, 11:30:48 AM
That's true but those refining processes are only getting better with time.  Four decades or so onward I think it would be safe to assume there would be further improvements in aluminum mining.

While improvements to aluminum smelting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_smelting) might happen, I think the fact that reuse is far more energy efficient than mining of new raw materials will dictate where a large portion of our aluminum comes from even 30+ years from now. (The amount of material recycled, as well as the efficiency of recycling, could both improve as well.)

All of that being said, even with the widespread use of the metal for highway signs, I really quite doubt that particular use being a significant source of the metal in the future.

Wonder how many Coke cans it would take to make an average sized BGS.

Quote from: roadman on October 23, 2017, 11:56:17 AM
Wonder how many Coke cans it would take to make an average sized BGS.

I thought briefly about trying to calculate that (easy if you know the mass of a beverage can and the approximate size of a prototypical BGS), but on a second thought I'm not even sure that BGSes are made from aluminum. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they're made from something cheaper like steel.

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 23, 2017, 12:04:39 PM

Quote from: roadman on October 23, 2017, 11:56:17 AM
Wonder how many Coke cans it would take to make an average sized BGS.

I thought briefly about trying to calculate that, but on a second thought I'm not even sure that BGSes are made from aluminum. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they're made from something cheaper like steel.

Nearly all permanent road signs these days are fabricated from either flat sheet or extruded aluminum.

It turns out we will have 57 states of America! :D :-D

Construction has started on I-73 from the NC/VA state line to Roanoke.

Final segment of I-11 from Las Vegas to Reno is now complete.

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 23, 2017, 11:45:57 AM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2017, 11:30:48 AM
That's true but those refining processes are only getting better with time.  Four decades or so onward I think it would be safe to assume there would be further improvements in aluminum mining.

While improvements to aluminum smelting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_smelting) might happen, I think the fact that reuse is far more energy efficient than mining of new raw materials will dictate where a large portion of our aluminum comes from even 30+ years from now. (The amount of material recycled, as well as the efficiency of recycling, could both improve as well.)

All of that being said, even with the widespread use of the metal for highway signs, I really quite doubt that particular use being a significant source of the metal in the future.

Cost of raw Aluminum is primarily cost of energy consumed by the electrolysis. That is decreasing, but there is a low limit for that, and that limit is not very far. Here is some (very old) graph:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greener-industry.org.uk%2Fpages%2Faluminium%2Fimages%2FAl_Graph04.gif&hash=5503059969cea2923d6c0cfc8edd377423185d5b)
Cost of BGS, however, is not the cost of raw Aluminum (which I guess is of the order of $10, if that), but design installation and maintenance. If we could replace those signs with programmable transmitters sending signal to (mandatory) equipment in vehicles (and that doesn't look impossible) - signs quickly become unneeded cost.  We had a thread on call boxes along highways - and I think this may be similar at some point. That was the idea behind my post..  How many issues are there with all that... A lot. But we're just talking, not writing legislation  :paranoid:
As for signs as source of Aluminum.. I bet there is more Al sitting around in coke cans than in traffic signs....

"West Virginia governor demands Virginia start construction of missing link of Corridor H/US 48"

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Quote from: Scott5114 on October 22, 2017, 04:59:48 AM

Quote from: hbelkins on October 20, 2017, 11:35:03 AM
"Supreme Court Agrees to Hear Appeal Regarding Clearview"

Meeker family's suit challenging FHWA's rejection of their father's font in 2015 appears headed for final resolution

Realistically, I don't think that there's much of a chance at Clearview ending up the subject of a court case. You can't sue anyone for not buying your product. Any other legal questions would probably be covered by the precedent of South Dakota v. Dole.

I had to Google that court case because I didn't know it was the one that allowed the feds to skirt the Tenth Amendment and usurp authority generally given to individual states. But at any rate, neither that, nor forcing anyone to buy the font, would be the basis for any court case. That issue would be the removal of Clearview's inclusion in the MUTCD.

Clearview was never in the MUTCD, unless you're suggesting that it will be added and then backed out between now and 2064.

Quote from: Scott5114 on October 23, 2017, 02:26:11 PM
Clearview was never in the MUTCD, unless you're suggesting that it will be added and then backed out between now and 2064.

Was the interim approval never mentioned in the MUTCD? Or is the FHWA font mandated in the MUTCD?

In any case, I think we're discussing semantics here. Clearview had FHWA blessing, and that blessing was removed. That's what any litigation would be based on.

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 23, 2017, 08:35:57 AM

Quote from: roadguy2 on October 22, 2017, 10:52:26 PM
I've had this exact same thought. If we ever do teleport in the future, we will lose an entire aspect of our lives, and the phrase "getting there is half the fun"  will have no meaning.

I would think at that point, the novelty our niche would occupy would come not from the journey, but from discovering little-known destinations in between the better-known ones.

I would argue it already does even today.

Any Experiences With AirLyft for Living in an Autonomous Vehicle?

Quote from: kalvado on October 23, 2017, 01:01:37 PM
Cost of BGS, however, is not the cost of raw Aluminum (which I guess is of the order of $10, if that), but design installation and maintenance. If we could replace those signs with programmable transmitters sending signal to (mandatory) equipment in vehicles (and that doesn't look impossible) - signs quickly become unneeded cost.  We had a thread on call boxes along highways - and I think this may be similar at some point. That was the idea behind my post..  How many issues are there with all that... A lot. But we're just talking, not writing legislation  :paranoid:
As for signs as source of Aluminum.. I bet there is more Al sitting around in coke cans than in traffic signs....

I would never want electronic-only signage, for in the event if power goes out, and especially for protracted periods of time.

Quote from: hbelkins on October 23, 2017, 02:31:50 PM

Quote from: Scott5114 on October 23, 2017, 02:26:11 PM
Clearview was never in the MUTCD, unless you're suggesting that it will be added and then backed out between now and 2064.

Was the interim approval never mentioned in the MUTCD? Or is the FHWA font mandated in the MUTCD?

No, FHWA Series is the only typeface that has ever appeared in the MUTCD. The Interim Approval was basically a document saying "We agree to allow you to ignore the typeface section of the MUTCD and substitute Clearview so we can collect more data on its use."

A lawsuit could theoretically be brought against the revocation of the IA, but there is no law prohibiting FHWA from revoking any IA for any reason.  In fact, the purpose of the IA arrangement is specifically to allow FHWA to revoke the IA where necessary–for example, if a pedestrian signal were trialled that caused a spike in accidents, it would obviously be in everyone's best interest for FHWA to terminate the IA.

Quote from: Scott5114 on October 24, 2017, 03:47:46 AM
A lawsuit could theoretically be brought against the revocation of the IA, but there is no law prohibiting FHWA from revoking any IA for any reason.  In fact, the purpose of the IA arrangement is specifically to allow FHWA to revoke the IA where necessary–for example, if a pedestrian signal were trialled that caused a spike in accidents, it would obviously be in everyone's best interest for FHWA to terminate the IA.

But did Clearview cause a spike in collisions? I don't think there's anyway to prove that it did (or didn't). Setting that aside, tens of millions of dollars were invested in Clearview. Combining that with the sudden revocation, based on (what some consider to be) insubstantial evidence, and there's definitely a case for a lawsuit.

Someone will need to confirm this, but I believe the FHWA can only institute or revoke IA's based on studies/reasoning (otherwise, what's the point of the IA?). I suspect that lawsuits will be based on, what some agencies consider to be, poor reasoning by the FHWA.

FHWA did institute and revoke the Clearview IA based on studies, though. Their studies showed that Clearview did not have an improvement over the FHWA Series fonts to justify the continuation of the IA. This is not the first time that they've done this, just the most visible because there is a corporate interest involved who wants to gin up controversy about it.

Quote from: Scott5114 on October 24, 2017, 04:38:55 AM
FHWA did institute and revoke the Clearview IA based on studies, though. Their studies showed that Clearview did not have an improvement over the FHWA Series fonts to justify the continuation of the IA. This is not the first time that they've done this, just the most visible because there is a corporate interest involved who wants to gin up controversy about it.

Evidently, the "interests" feel that those the studies were insubstantial, hence [potential?] lawsuits.

More likely is that the interests feel like they'd like to keep their cash cow alive.

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 24, 2017, 03:00:36 AM

Quote from: kalvado on October 23, 2017, 01:01:37 PM
Cost of BGS, however, is not the cost of raw Aluminum (which I guess is of the order of $10, if that), but design installation and maintenance. If we could replace those signs with programmable transmitters sending signal to (mandatory) equipment in vehicles (and that doesn't look impossible) - signs quickly become unneeded cost.  We had a thread on call boxes along highways - and I think this may be similar at some point. That was the idea behind my post..  How many issues are there with all that... A lot. But we're just talking, not writing legislation  :paranoid:
As for signs as source of Aluminum.. I bet there is more Al sitting around in coke cans than in traffic signs....

I would never want electronic-only signage, for in the event if power goes out, and especially for protracted periods of time.

Yes, and definitely it is a good thing that no traffic light requires any electricity these days!

A traffic light is a whole different animal than certain types of signage. If a traffic light goes out, you just treat it like a stop sign. If electronic guide signage were to go out, without a physical standby, you might not have any idea where you're going and that can lead to accidents.

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 24, 2017, 08:54:33 AM
A traffic light is a whole different animal than certain types of signage. If a traffic light goes out, you just treat it like a stop sign. If electronic guide signage were to go out, without a physical standby, you might not have any idea where you're going and that can lead to accidents.

Actually navigation system should take care of that, with transmitters being a backup system only anyway

Are you proposing to make GPS mandatory?

Quote from: vdeane on October 24, 2017, 01:00:02 PM
Are you proposing to make GPS mandatory?

I assume he meant that sat-nav will be included in an ever-increasing population of the cars on the road.

Quote from: vdeane on October 24, 2017, 01:00:02 PM
Are you proposing to make GPS mandatory?

You want me to construct a full ecosystem of the road 50 years from now?  I give up right away! I can do a patchwork of ideas at most...
Wireless communication instead of physical signs is a can of worms, no question about that. Mandatory HUD equipment in each car? Or mandatory automatic drivers?  Both undermine concept of legacy cars which exist today - and declaring those non-roadworthy will be difficult. 
GPS - or other location equipment - may become required as part of mileage tax system. Will that be implemented? Who knows. As a combo of  taxation system, navigation system and sign reading system, such thing would have a better chance than any separate one.
If anything, I would expect long haul roads to be more prone to improvement - driverless long-haul trucks are probably matter of foreseeable future for commercial reasons. That puts money behind the idea...  And limiting access to highways to qualified vehicles is more realistic than any other roads - our NY doesn't allow bicycles on interstates, as far as I remember. And I have hard time thinking anyone will put their beloved Ford-T on the interstate anyway...  Transition  will take time, go in stages.. but not totally unrealistic.
So if some flavor of electronic package becomes required part of highway travel - and then wireless-only signs are more reasonable thing. Somewhat similar to how airbags and catalytic converters became mandatory to install. Legacy vehicles, of course, will be a problem...
[/daydreaming]

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 24, 2017, 08:54:33 AM
A traffic light is a whole different animal than certain types of signage. If a traffic light goes out, you just treat it like a stop sign. If electronic guide signage were to go out, without a physical standby, you might not have any idea where you're going and that can lead to accidents.

You could have a sign with a battery backup. Not sure how long it would last, though.

Quote from: jakeroot on October 24, 2017, 02:31:22 PM

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 24, 2017, 08:54:33 AM
A traffic light is a whole different animal than certain types of signage. If a traffic light goes out, you just treat it like a stop sign. If electronic guide signage were to go out, without a physical standby, you might not have any idea where you're going and that can lead to accidents.

You could have a sign with a battery backup. Not sure how long it would last, though.

That's true, and with improvements in radio/battery technology I can imagine batteries lasting long enough, barring any sort of extreme disaster. However, I think, more than electronic signs, we're going to see cars using cameras which are able to correctly read and interpret physical signs. Optical character recognition is already a thing and it works quite well.

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 24, 2017, 02:37:08 PM

Quote from: jakeroot on October 24, 2017, 02:31:22 PM

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 24, 2017, 08:54:33 AM
A traffic light is a whole different animal than certain types of signage. If a traffic light goes out, you just treat it like a stop sign. If electronic guide signage were to go out, without a physical standby, you might not have any idea where you're going and that can lead to accidents.

You could have a sign with a battery backup. Not sure how long it would last, though.

That's true, and with improvements in LED technology I can imagine batteries lasting long enough, barring any sort of extreme disaster. However, I think, more than electronic signs, we're going to see cars using cameras which are able to correctly read and interpret physical signs. Optical character recognition is already a thing and it works quite well.

Reasons why a sign might not be able to be read, in no particular order:

1. Blocked by leaves
2. Blocked by a large truck (either above or to the side)
3. Knocked down and not replaced
4. Covered in snow
5. Facing the wrong direction (usually as a result of being hit or in a weird-angle intersection)
6. Too faded
7. Vandalized (e.g. speed limit 155, which I have actually seen, but has been fixed)

Quote from: 1 on October 24, 2017, 02:44:45 PM
Reasons why a sign might not be able to be read, in no particular order:

1. Blocked by leaves
2. Blocked by a large truck (either above or to the side)
3. Knocked down and not replaced
4. Covered in snow
5. Facing the wrong direction (usually as a result of being hit or in a weird-angle intersection)
6. Too faded
7. Vandalized (e.g. speed limit 155, which I have actually seen, but has been fixed)

All of those things, with exception to the last one, affect human drivers too, though.

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 24, 2017, 02:37:08 PM

Quote from: jakeroot on October 24, 2017, 02:31:22 PM

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 24, 2017, 08:54:33 AM
A traffic light is a whole different animal than certain types of signage. If a traffic light goes out, you just treat it like a stop sign. If electronic guide signage were to go out, without a physical standby, you might not have any idea where you're going and that can lead to accidents.

You could have a sign with a battery backup. Not sure how long it would last, though.

That's true, and with improvements in radio/battery technology I can imagine batteries lasting long enough, barring any sort of extreme disaster. However, I think, more than electronic signs, we're going to see cars using cameras which are able to correctly read and interpret physical signs. Optical character recognition is already a thing and it works quite well.

Eventually, every car will drive itself, and at least on the autonomous-only roads, we won't need any signs at all (you'll plug in your destination and the car will go, already knowing the route).

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 24, 2017, 02:46:27 PM

Quote from: 1 on October 24, 2017, 02:44:45 PM
Reasons why a sign might not be able to be read, in no particular order:

1. Blocked by leaves
2. Blocked by a large truck (either above or to the side)
3. Knocked down and not replaced
4. Covered in snow
5. Facing the wrong direction (usually as a result of being hit or in a weird-angle intersection)
6. Too faded
7. Vandalized (e.g. speed limit 155, which I have actually seen, but has been fixed)

All of those things, with exception to the last one, affect human drivers too, though.

There is such a term - "energy harvesting". For low-power devices, you can use things like temperature changes, vibration, wake of traveling traffic - not to mention traditional wind and sun. You can have active readers similar to RFID readers installed on vehicles. Combination of all above... Whatever technology would be 50 years from now.
If  there is a demand for solution, something will come up...

Quote from: kalvado on October 24, 2017, 04:48:51 PM
There is such a term - "energy harvesting". For low-power devices, you can use things like temperature changes, vibration, wake of traveling traffic - not to mention traditional wind and sun. You can have active readers similar to RFID readers installed on vehicles. Combination of all above... Whatever technology would be 50 years from now.
If there is a demand for solution, something will come up...

Right, but all of those devices only inject more points-of-failure into the system. This is why (call me an old fogey if you want, although IMO that'd be kind of funny) I'd prefer that all roads still maintain physical signage to at least some degree.

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 24, 2017, 05:19:11 PM

Quote from: kalvado on October 24, 2017, 04:48:51 PM
There is such a term - "energy harvesting". For low-power devices, you can use things like temperature changes, vibration, wake of traveling traffic - not to mention traditional wind and sun. You can have active readers similar to RFID readers installed on vehicles. Combination of all above... Whatever technology would be 50 years from now.
If there is a demand for solution, something will come up...

Right, but all of those devices only inject more points-of-failure into the system. This is why (call me an old fogey if you want, although IMO that'd be kind of funny) I'd prefer that all roads still maintain physical signage to at least some degree.

Well, let's put matter on hold until 2067.. Time will tell!

Quote from: kalvado on October 24, 2017, 05:24:18 PM
Well, let's put matter on hold until 2067.. Time will tell!

That I can definitely agree to... I'll be 75 in 2067 (if I even make it that long! ;-)), so who knows what will happen.

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 24, 2017, 05:26:17 PM

Quote from: kalvado on October 24, 2017, 05:24:18 PM
Well, let's put matter on hold until 2067.. Time will tell!

That I can definitely agree to... I'll be 75 in 2067 (if I even make it that long! ;-)), so who knows what will happen.

You should make it. 75 is not that old.

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 24, 2017, 05:26:42 PM

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 24, 2017, 05:26:17 PM

Quote from: kalvado on October 24, 2017, 05:24:18 PM
Well, let's put matter on hold until 2067.. Time will tell!

That I can definitely agree to... I'll be 75 in 2067 (if I even make it that long! ;-)), so who knows what will happen.

You should make it. 75 is not that old.

Well, speaking rather personally for a moment, none of my grandparents have made it that far, so I'm definitely not relying on genetics to get me there. :-P

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 24, 2017, 05:29:18 PM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 24, 2017, 05:26:42 PM

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 24, 2017, 05:26:17 PM

Quote from: kalvado on October 24, 2017, 05:24:18 PM
Well, let's put matter on hold until 2067.. Time will tell!

That I can definitely agree to... I'll be 75 in 2067 (if I even make it that long! ;-)), so who knows what will happen.

You should make it. 75 is not that old.

Well, speaking rather personally for a moment, none of my grandparents have made it that far, so I'm definitely not relying on genetics to get me there. :-P

They were born in the early 1900s. The average life span was below 75 back then.

 :confused:

My grandparents were all born in the 1940s/50s. 2/4 still survive, so sure it's still possible they might live to 75.

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 24, 2017, 05:42:52 PM
:confused:

My grandparents were all born in the 1940s/50s. 2/4 still survive, so sure it's still possible they might live to 75.

You worded that weirdly.

The Carquinez Bridge will cost only $90 to cross in 2064.
The San Mateo Bridge and Dumbarton bridge will cost $150 to cross in 2064.

The Golden Gate bridge will cost $200 to cross and the Bay Bridge will cost $180
to cross in 2064  :cheers:

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 24, 2017, 05:19:11 PM

Quote from: kalvado on October 24, 2017, 04:48:51 PM
There is such a term - "energy harvesting". For low-power devices, you can use things like temperature changes, vibration, wake of traveling traffic - not to mention traditional wind and sun. You can have active readers similar to RFID readers installed on vehicles. Combination of all above... Whatever technology would be 50 years from now.
If there is a demand for solution, something will come up...

Right, but all of those devices only inject more points-of-failure into the system. This is why (call me an old fogey if you want, although IMO that'd be kind of funny) I'd prefer that all roads still maintain physical signage to at least some degree.

I've thought about this before (mostly theorizing what roads might look like in a Star Trek type of environment) and come to the conclusion that it would simply be most efficient to have standard road signs like we have today. However, it could be a good idea to include some sort of electronic system to generate temporary holographic traffic control where needed, like in the event of an accident or construction. You could even put in CGI cones or stripes to route traffic without having to require a worker to get out in the road to place them.

Quote from: bing101 on October 24, 2017, 09:23:26 PM
The Carquinez Bridge will cost only $90 to cross in 2064.
The San Mateo Bridge and Dumbarton bridge will cost $150 to cross in 2064.

And a loaf of sourdough will cost $69.95, a chub of Molinari salami will cost $225, and Trader Joe's peanut butter will still be a bargain at $42.50 a jar.  Just like, in a partial sense, bridge tolls (the increases of some of which track maintenance parts & labor), inflation will account for a substantial portion of commodity pricing (including services).  Actually, if history is taken into account, the actual price of the cross-Bay bridges would be somewhere between $85 and $90, with the Zampa/Carquinez and Benicia bridges priced a bit lower.  Still, not a fun prospect! :ded:

Quote from: sparker on October 25, 2017, 03:22:11 AM

Quote from: bing101 on October 24, 2017, 09:23:26 PM
The Carquinez Bridge will cost only $90 to cross in 2064.
The San Mateo Bridge and Dumbarton bridge will cost $150 to cross in 2064.

And a loaf of sourdough will cost $69.95, a chub of Molinari salami will cost $225, and Trader Joe's peanut butter will still be a bargain at $42.50 a jar.  Just like, in a partial sense, bridge tolls (the increases of some of which track maintenance parts & labor), inflation will account for a substantial portion of commodity pricing (including services).  Actually, if history is taken into account, the actual price of the cross-Bay bridges would be somewhere between $85 and $90, with the Zampa/Carquinez and Benicia bridges priced a bit lower.  Still, not a fun prospect! :ded:

How much would college cost? 1 billion dollars?

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 25, 2017, 04:11:08 PM

Quote from: sparker on October 25, 2017, 03:22:11 AM

Quote from: bing101 on October 24, 2017, 09:23:26 PM
The Carquinez Bridge will cost only $90 to cross in 2064.
The San Mateo Bridge and Dumbarton bridge will cost $150 to cross in 2064.

And a loaf of sourdough will cost $69.95, a chub of Molinari salami will cost $225, and Trader Joe's peanut butter will still be a bargain at $42.50 a jar.  Just like, in a partial sense, bridge tolls (the increases of some of which track maintenance parts & labor), inflation will account for a substantial portion of commodity pricing (including services).  Actually, if history is taken into account, the actual price of the cross-Bay bridges would be somewhere between $85 and $90, with the Zampa/Carquinez and Benicia bridges priced a bit lower.  Still, not a fun prospect! :ded:

How much would college cost? 1 billion dollars?

College costs were rising much faster than inflation until 2021.
But in 2021, Bernie Sanders made public universities free.

In 2064, private universities are in the $10M/year range.

Quote from: 1 on October 25, 2017, 04:13:59 PM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 25, 2017, 04:11:08 PM

Quote from: sparker on October 25, 2017, 03:22:11 AM

Quote from: bing101 on October 24, 2017, 09:23:26 PM
The Carquinez Bridge will cost only $90 to cross in 2064.
The San Mateo Bridge and Dumbarton bridge will cost $150 to cross in 2064.

And a loaf of sourdough will cost $69.95, a chub of Molinari salami will cost $225, and Trader Joe's peanut butter will still be a bargain at $42.50 a jar.  Just like, in a partial sense, bridge tolls (the increases of some of which track maintenance parts & labor), inflation will account for a substantial portion of commodity pricing (including services).  Actually, if history is taken into account, the actual price of the cross-Bay bridges would be somewhere between $85 and $90, with the Zampa/Carquinez and Benicia bridges priced a bit lower.  Still, not a fun prospect! :ded:

How much would college cost? 1 billion dollars?

College costs were rising much faster than inflation until 2021.
But in 2021, Bernie Sanders made public universities free.

In 2064, private universities are in the $10M/year range.

The students will really feel the bern in there college classes in 2021.

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 25, 2017, 04:11:08 PM

Quote from: sparker on October 25, 2017, 03:22:11 AM

Quote from: bing101 on October 24, 2017, 09:23:26 PM
The Carquinez Bridge will cost only $90 to cross in 2064.
The San Mateo Bridge and Dumbarton bridge will cost $150 to cross in 2064.

And a loaf of sourdough will cost $69.95, a chub of Molinari salami will cost $225, and Trader Joe's peanut butter will still be a bargain at $42.50 a jar.  Just like, in a partial sense, bridge tolls (the increases of some of which track maintenance parts & labor), inflation will account for a substantial portion of commodity pricing (including services).  Actually, if history is taken into account, the actual price of the cross-Bay bridges would be somewhere between $85 and $90, with the Zampa/Carquinez and Benicia bridges priced a bit lower.  Still, not a fun prospect! :ded:

How much would college cost? 1 billion dollars?

more like 3 000 000 yuans

Quote from: kalvado on October 25, 2017, 04:33:47 PM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 25, 2017, 04:11:08 PM

Quote from: sparker on October 25, 2017, 03:22:11 AM

Quote from: bing101 on October 24, 2017, 09:23:26 PM
The Carquinez Bridge will cost only $90 to cross in 2064.
The San Mateo Bridge and Dumbarton bridge will cost $150 to cross in 2064.

And a loaf of sourdough will cost $69.95, a chub of Molinari salami will cost $225, and Trader Joe's peanut butter will still be a bargain at $42.50 a jar.  Just like, in a partial sense, bridge tolls (the increases of some of which track maintenance parts & labor), inflation will account for a substantial portion of commodity pricing (including services).  Actually, if history is taken into account, the actual price of the cross-Bay bridges would be somewhere between $85 and $90, with the Zampa/Carquinez and Benicia bridges priced a bit lower.  Still, not a fun prospect! :ded:

How much would college cost? 1 billion dollars?

more like 3 000 000 yuans

Will China really take over the world?

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 25, 2017, 04:43:17 PM

Quote from: kalvado on October 25, 2017, 04:33:47 PM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 25, 2017, 04:11:08 PM

Quote from: sparker on October 25, 2017, 03:22:11 AM

Quote from: bing101 on October 24, 2017, 09:23:26 PM
The Carquinez Bridge will cost only $90 to cross in 2064.
The San Mateo Bridge and Dumbarton bridge will cost $150 to cross in 2064.

And a loaf of sourdough will cost $69.95, a chub of Molinari salami will cost $225, and Trader Joe's peanut butter will still be a bargain at $42.50 a jar.  Just like, in a partial sense, bridge tolls (the increases of some of which track maintenance parts & labor), inflation will account for a substantial portion of commodity pricing (including services).  Actually, if history is taken into account, the actual price of the cross-Bay bridges would be somewhere between $85 and $90, with the Zampa/Carquinez and Benicia bridges priced a bit lower.  Still, not a fun prospect! :ded:

How much would college cost? 1 billion dollars?

more like 3 000 000 yuans

Will China really take over the world?

Well, I don't know - but since you have to pay yuans for the college...

Another possible topic for 2067:

Chinese authorities requested bilingual signage on all roads with at least 25% Chinese ownership.
FHWA response: it will take some time to replace signs on almost 35 000 miles of interstates...

^ realistic.

/me heads off to learn Mandarin

Quote from: Scott5114 on October 25, 2017, 02:23:06 AMHowever, it could be a good idea to include some sort of electronic system to generate temporary holographic traffic control where needed, like in the event of an accident or construction.

Favorite Shade of Pink For Holographic Traffic Control Devices?

o Salmon
o Maguro
o Roasted Lavender
o Pink (recording artist)
o Pink (Victoria's Secret sub-brand)
o Pink Panther
o Port Wine Cheese
o Artificial Chicken Breast

Quote from: formulanone on October 25, 2017, 05:45:00 PM

Quote from: Scott5114 on October 25, 2017, 02:23:06 AMHowever, it could be a good idea to include some sort of electronic system to generate temporary holographic traffic control where needed, like in the event of an accident or construction.

Favorite Shade of Pink For Holographic Traffic Control Devices?

o Salmon
o Maguro
o Roasted Lavender
o Pink (recording artist)
o Pink (Victoria's Secret sub-brand)
o Pink Panther
o Port Wine Cheese
o Artificial Chicken Breast

:-D

Quote from: formulanone on October 25, 2017, 05:45:00 PM

Quote from: Scott5114 on October 25, 2017, 02:23:06 AMHowever, it could be a good idea to include some sort of electronic system to generate temporary holographic traffic control where needed, like in the event of an accident or construction.

Favorite Shade of Pink For Holographic Traffic Control Devices?

o Salmon
o Maguro
o Roasted Lavender
o Pink (recording artist)
o Pink (Victoria's Secret sub-brand)
o Pink Panther
o Port Wine Cheese
o Artificial Chicken Breast

o Jazz

Quote from: formulanone on October 25, 2017, 05:45:00 PM

Quote from: Scott5114 on October 25, 2017, 02:23:06 AMHowever, it could be a good idea to include some sort of electronic system to generate temporary holographic traffic control where needed, like in the event of an accident or construction.

Favorite Shade of Pink For Holographic Traffic Control Devices?

o Salmon
o Maguro
o Roasted Lavender
o Pink (recording artist)
o Pink (Victoria's Secret sub-brand)
o Pink Panther
o Port Wine Cheese
o Artificial Chicken Breast

Remember, if the FHWA is still around we're using standard colors! Purple is Incident Management.
I would go with Pink Panther.

Magical Land of Destiny :bigass:

Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on October 26, 2017, 03:25:47 AM

Quote from: formulanone on October 25, 2017, 05:45:00 PM

Quote from: Scott5114 on October 25, 2017, 02:23:06 AMHowever, it could be a good idea to include some sort of electronic system to generate temporary holographic traffic control where needed, like in the event of an accident or construction.

Favorite Shade of Pink For Holographic Traffic Control Devices?

o Salmon
o Maguro
o Roasted Lavender
o Pink (recording artist)
o Pink (Victoria's Secret sub-brand)
o Pink Panther
o Port Wine Cheese
o Artificial Chicken Breast

Remember, if the FHWA is still around we're using standard colors! Purple is Incident Management.
I would go with Pink Panther.

Purple is used to mark toll roads.

Quote from: bugo on October 27, 2017, 04:42:57 AM

Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on October 26, 2017, 03:25:47 AM
Remember, if the FHWA is still around we're using standard colors! Purple is Incident Management.
I would go with Pink Panther.

Purple is used to mark toll roads.

To add, fluorescent pink is incident management.

Routes you've driven on that have been sunken or destroyed by climate change and sea level rise?

(hopefully not a topic in 2064, hah)

Quote from: index on October 27, 2017, 08:29:12 AM
Routes you've driven on that have been sunken or destroyed by climate change and sea level rise?

(hopefully not a topic in 2064, hah)

A topic we can discuss today and 50 years from now:
did you drive the old alignment of Rt. 61 in Centralia?
Meaning of "old alignment" may change over time, though... 

Quote from: kalvado on October 27, 2017, 08:42:30 AM

Quote from: index on October 27, 2017, 08:29:12 AM
Routes you've driven on that have been sunken or destroyed by climate change and sea level rise?

(hopefully not a topic in 2064, hah)

A topic we can discuss today and 50 years from now:
did you drive the old alignment of Rt. 61 in Centralia?
Meaning of "old alignment" may change over time, though...

Max explores the ruins of the 1938 Overseas Highway. 

Hypotenuse extensions to Beloit, WI, and Fort Wayne, IN nears completion.

"Combustion engines are making a comeback"

Quote from: kphoger on October 27, 2017, 11:57:48 AM
"Combustion engines are making a comeback"

Although I wonder what they'll be running on. Certainly oil will be rare enough by then, that traditional fuel would be too expensive to make a genuine comeback.

Quote from: jakeroot on October 27, 2017, 12:06:52 PM

Quote from: kphoger on October 27, 2017, 11:57:48 AM
"Combustion engines are making a comeback"

Although I wonder what they'll be running on. Certainly oil will be rare enough by then, that traditional fuel would be too expensive to make a genuine comeback.

If there is sufficient energy supply available (and I still believe fusion is the only way for civilization to survive), then making liquid fuel is not unreasonable given chemistry is still a best way to store energy. Of course trapping atmospheric carbon will be part of it.
If there is a shortage of energy, then closing carbon cycle aka biofuel is a reasonable proposition - fundamentally same thing as above, except for using sun as an energy source.

Quote from: jakeroot on October 27, 2017, 12:06:52 PM
Although I wonder what they'll be running on. Certainly oil will be rare enough by then, that traditional fuel would be too expensive to make a genuine comeback.

Hmm, I wouldn't be so certain. I wouldn't at all be surprised if, by then, there are bacteria or some other microorganism that have been genetically engineered to consume plastic and/or organic waste to produce something quite like oil.

Kennedy assassination files to remain secret another six months for security review.

Quote from: hbelkins on October 19, 2017, 11:16:50 AM
"President Barron Trump unveils highway overhaul infrastructure plan"

President Barron Trump and Ivanka Trump goes on a twitter feud against roadgeeks that include the removal of Mar a lago resort for a coastal evacuation highway for hurricanes.
Also roadgeeks find themselves in a feud called "Roadgate" where there's debates if roads should be made of biodegradable materials.

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 27, 2017, 12:33:39 PM

Quote from: jakeroot on October 27, 2017, 12:06:52 PM
Although I wonder what they'll be running on. Certainly oil will be rare enough by then, that traditional fuel would be too expensive to make a genuine comeback.

Hmm, I wouldn't be so certain. I wouldn't at all be surprised if, by then, there are bacteria or some other microorganism that have been genetically engineered to consume plastic and/or organic waste to produce something quite like oil.

After all, this is a fictional thread. I guess I can go along with that.

Quote from: jakeroot on October 27, 2017, 12:06:52 PM

Quote from: kphoger on October 27, 2017, 11:57:48 AM
"Combustion engines are making a comeback"

Although I wonder what they'll be running on. Certainly oil will be rare enough by then, that traditional fuel would be too expensive to make a genuine comeback.

firebending.

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 27, 2017, 10:20:16 PM

Quote from: jakeroot on October 27, 2017, 12:06:52 PM

Quote from: kphoger on October 27, 2017, 11:57:48 AM
"Combustion engines are making a comeback"

Although I wonder what they'll be running on. Certainly oil will be rare enough by then, that traditional fuel would be too expensive to make a genuine comeback.

firebending.

I want to respond with a witty, "thanks for contributing" post, but I can't: it's a fictional thread. Combustion engines could very well run on firebending by 2064.

When will the route between Moon to Earth be common?

Is there an opening date for I-449 in NW Arkansas?

Have you ever driven a car with a manual transmission?

Quote from: Takumi on November 07, 2017, 11:59:27 AM
Have you ever driven a car with a manual transmission?

That's a fair question to ask even today.

The way some pundits talk, "have you ever driven a car at all?" might be appropriate...

Quote from: vdeane on November 07, 2017, 01:26:05 PM
The way some pundits talk, "have you ever driven a car at all?" might be appropriate...

I don't want to give up our right to drive entirely, but an easy way to increase safety would be to make licensing requirements stricter. Can't pass the harder driving test? Then you have to use an autonomous vehicle. We have actually discussed this at RPI on a few occasions. Would allow the people who don't want to focus enough to drive safely to stop endangering the rest of us.

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 07, 2017, 12:28:01 PM

Quote from: Takumi on November 07, 2017, 11:59:27 AM
Have you ever driven a car with a manual transmission?

That's a fair question to ask even today.

Definitely. I drive a stick, but few people can anymore. Hence why I don't need to worry about my car being stolen.  :-D

Quote from: cl94 on November 07, 2017, 01:47:05 PM

Quote from: vdeane on November 07, 2017, 01:26:05 PM
The way some pundits talk, "have you ever driven a car at all?" might be appropriate...

I don't want to give up our right to drive entirely, but an easy way to increase safety would be to make licensing requirements stricter. Can't pass the harder driving test? Then you have to use an autonomous vehicle. We have actually discussed this at RPI on a few occasions. Would allow the people who don't want to focus enough to drive safely to stop endangering the rest of us.

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 07, 2017, 12:28:01 PM

Quote from: Takumi on November 07, 2017, 11:59:27 AM
Have you ever driven a car with a manual transmission?

That's a fair question to ask even today.

Definitely. I drive a stick, but few people can anymore. Hence why I don't need to worry about my car being stolen.  :-D

:wave:

Yep, one reason for keeping my current manual transmission car long enough for my daughter to learn to drive on it.

Both my cars are manual, and I’d be 78 in 2064, so it’s plausible that several older members will have owned manual cars. With enough luck I’ll still have one then.

I guess “have you ever seen a car with a manual transmission” would be more appropriate. Or “have you ever driven a car with an internal combustion engine”.

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 07, 2017, 12:28:01 PM

Quote from: Takumi on November 07, 2017, 11:59:27 AM
Have you ever driven a car with a manual transmission?

That's a fair question to ask even today.

That was a fair question to ask even twenty years ago.

Quote from: Takumi on November 07, 2017, 02:57:00 PM
Both my cars are manual, and I'd be 78 in 2064, so it's plausible that several older members will have owned manual cars. With enough luck I'll still have one then.

I guess "have you ever seen a car with a manual transmission"  would be more appropriate. Or "have you ever driven a car with an internal combustion engine" .

People would have seen cars with all sorts of old features if they ever go to car shows etc.  I've seen cars with crank starts, but never started one that way.

Sometimes I feel like the only roadgeek who doesn't own or know how to drive a stick, and isn't particularly interested in such. :spin:

Quote from: kkt on November 07, 2017, 03:32:25 PM

Quote from: Takumi on November 07, 2017, 02:57:00 PM
Both my cars are manual, and I'd be 78 in 2064, so it's plausible that several older members will have owned manual cars. With enough luck I'll still have one then.

I guess "have you ever seen a car with a manual transmission"  would be more appropriate. Or "have you ever driven a car with an internal combustion engine" .

People would have seen cars with all sorts of old features if they ever go to car shows etc.  I've seen cars with crank starts, but never started one that way.

Usually, it's also impossible to tell just by looking at a car whether it has a manual or automatic transmission.
It's like asking me if I've seen a truck with a 15-speed transmission.  I have no idea.

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on November 07, 2017, 03:33:34 PM
Sometimes I feel like the only roadgeek who doesn't own or know how to drive a stick, and isn't particularly interested in such. :spin:

My ex GF drives a stick  :o  :evilgrin:

Quote from: US71 on November 07, 2017, 05:34:34 PM

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on November 07, 2017, 03:33:34 PM
Sometimes I feel like the only roadgeek who doesn't own or know how to drive a stick, and isn't particularly interested in such. :spin:

My ex GF drives a stick  :o  :evilgrin:

Mine does too, but she was from Germany, where it's much more common to do so.


...or did you mean a broomstick? ;)

Tolls on Verrazano-Narrows Bridge going up to $100 Pay per Plate and $75 NY/MTA EZ Pass ONLY (Other EZ Pass pay full Toll) to pay for Subway Rebuild

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on November 07, 2017, 03:33:34 PM
Sometimes I feel like the only roadgeek who doesn't own or know how to drive a stick, and isn't particularly interested in such. :spin:

I feel like admitting to it might almost be a mark of shame here, but... I don't know how either. You're not alone. ;-)

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 07, 2017, 07:06:09 PM

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on November 07, 2017, 03:33:34 PM
Sometimes I feel like the only roadgeek who doesn't own or know how to drive a stick, and isn't particularly interested in such. :spin:

I feel like admitting to it might almost be a mark of shame here, but... I don't know how either. You're not alone. ;-)

I keep thinking you guys are the same person.

Quote from: mapman1071 on November 07, 2017, 06:29:09 PM
Tolls on Verrazano-Narrows Bridge going up to $100 Pay per Plate and $75 NY/MTA EZ Pass ONLY (Other EZ Pass pay full Toll) to pay for Subway Rebuild

Official estimate of inflation is 639% over past 50 years.
Assuming it would be the same over next 50 years, current $17 Verrazano bridge toll would be $108.63
So you actually predict price will go down...

Quote from: Takumi on November 07, 2017, 07:26:43 PM

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 07, 2017, 07:06:09 PM

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on November 07, 2017, 03:33:34 PM
Sometimes I feel like the only roadgeek who doesn't own or know how to drive a stick, and isn't particularly interested in such. :spin:

I feel like admitting to it might almost be a mark of shame here, but... I don't know how either. You're not alone. ;-)

I keep thinking you guys are the same person.

We have the same first name in real life too, so I don't think you're too far off base.

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on November 07, 2017, 09:02:41 PM

Quote from: Takumi on November 07, 2017, 07:26:43 PM

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 07, 2017, 07:06:09 PM

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on November 07, 2017, 03:33:34 PM
Sometimes I feel like the only roadgeek who doesn't own or know how to drive a stick, and isn't particularly interested in such. :spin:

I feel like admitting to it might almost be a mark of shame here, but... I don't know how either. You're not alone. ;-)

I keep thinking you guys are the same person.

We have the same first name in real life too, so I don't think you're too far off base.

And I'll just add that it's one enormous coincidence. I made up this username well before I was ever on this forum and knew anyone or anything about this place. (Check the date on my imgur account (https://mnhighwayman.imgur.com/all/) if you don't believe me. :))

I too have faced confusion when trying to figure out which one of you was which. It would be nice if you both didn't use a Minnesota State Highway shield in your profile picture. I could make you a road sign if you wanted!

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on November 07, 2017, 03:33:34 PM
Sometimes I feel like the only roadgeek who doesn't own or know how to drive a stick, and isn't particularly interested in such. :spin:

I don't either.

Quote from: inkyatari on November 08, 2017, 08:54:41 AM

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on November 07, 2017, 03:33:34 PM
Sometimes I feel like the only roadgeek who doesn’t own or know how to drive a stick, and isn’t particularly interested in such. :spin:

I don't either.

While I'm interested in driving one, I never have.  I carpooled with a guy who had one, but it was in his pristine condition Mustang GT. He was *never* use that as a training vehicle!

Quote from: kphoger on November 07, 2017, 04:23:19 PM

Quote from: kkt on November 07, 2017, 03:32:25 PM

Quote from: Takumi on November 07, 2017, 02:57:00 PM
Both my cars are manual, and I'd be 78 in 2064, so it's plausible that several older members will have owned manual cars. With enough luck I'll still have one then.

I guess "have you ever seen a car with a manual transmission"  would be more appropriate. Or "have you ever driven a car with an internal combustion engine" .

People would have seen cars with all sorts of old features if they ever go to car shows etc.  I've seen cars with crank starts, but never started one that way.

Usually, it's also impossible to tell just by looking at a car whether it has a manual or automatic transmission.

Look inside the glass.  I find it very easy to tell when actually looking inside the car.

Quote from: Brandon on November 08, 2017, 11:09:42 AM

Quote from: kphoger on November 07, 2017, 04:23:19 PM

Quote from: kkt on November 07, 2017, 03:32:25 PM

Quote from: Takumi on November 07, 2017, 02:57:00 PM
Both my cars are manual, and I'd be 78 in 2064, so it's plausible that several older members will have owned manual cars. With enough luck I'll still have one then.

I guess "have you ever seen a car with a manual transmission"  would be more appropriate. Or "have you ever driven a car with an internal combustion engine" .

People would have seen cars with all sorts of old features if they ever go to car shows etc.  I've seen cars with crank starts, but never started one that way.

Usually, it's also impossible to tell just by looking at a car whether it has a manual or automatic transmission.

Look inside the glass.  I find it very easy to tell when actually looking inside the car.

I find it difficult to look in through the glass of every car I see.

Quote from: kphoger on November 08, 2017, 01:36:37 PM

Quote from: Brandon on November 08, 2017, 11:09:42 AM

Quote from: kphoger on November 07, 2017, 04:23:19 PM

Quote from: kkt on November 07, 2017, 03:32:25 PM

Quote from: Takumi on November 07, 2017, 02:57:00 PM
Both my cars are manual, and I'd be 78 in 2064, so it's plausible that several older members will have owned manual cars. With enough luck I'll still have one then.

I guess "have you ever seen a car with a manual transmission"  would be more appropriate. Or "have you ever driven a car with an internal combustion engine" .

People would have seen cars with all sorts of old features if they ever go to car shows etc.  I've seen cars with crank starts, but never started one that way.

Usually, it's also impossible to tell just by looking at a car whether it has a manual or automatic transmission.

Look inside the glass.  I find it very easy to tell when actually looking inside the car.

I find it difficult to look in through the glass of every car I see.

Assuming the car is moving, try and watch how often the brake lights light up (less often with a manual, as many drivers slow using gears). At stop lights, many drivers leave it in neutral and/or set the parking brake, or sometimes balance the clutch and throttle. Either way, the brake lights aren't lit up. Also try and notice how obvious the gear changes are. Unless the drivers are heel-toeing, you can usually see the car lurch a bit each time the gear is changed. You could, in theory, watch and see how often their right hand moves around (in LHD market). Good manual drivers move their hand from the steering wheel, to the stick, and back to the wheel for each change. You generally aren't supposed to rest your hand on the gear lever. Manual cars also don't pass through reverse going into first, so manual drivers go from brake lights, straight to pulling away. And if you see someone get into the car, and the reverse lights are already lit up the moment the car turns on, that means it was parked in reverse (common when parking on a down-slope) -- another manual trait.

Quote from: jakeroot on November 08, 2017, 04:28:14 PM

Quote from: kphoger on November 08, 2017, 01:36:37 PM

Quote from: Brandon on November 08, 2017, 11:09:42 AM

Quote from: kphoger on November 07, 2017, 04:23:19 PM

Quote from: kkt on November 07, 2017, 03:32:25 PM

Quote from: Takumi on November 07, 2017, 02:57:00 PM
Both my cars are manual, and I'd be 78 in 2064, so it's plausible that several older members will have owned manual cars. With enough luck I'll still have one then.

I guess "have you ever seen a car with a manual transmission"  would be more appropriate. Or "have you ever driven a car with an internal combustion engine" .

People would have seen cars with all sorts of old features if they ever go to car shows etc.  I've seen cars with crank starts, but never started one that way.

Usually, it's also impossible to tell just by looking at a car whether it has a manual or automatic transmission.

Look inside the glass.  I find it very easy to tell when actually looking inside the car.

I find it difficult to look in through the glass of every car I see.

Assuming the car is moving, try and watch how often the brake lights light up (less often with a manual, as many drivers slow using gears). At stop lights, many drivers leave it in neutral and/or set the parking brake, or sometimes balance the clutch and throttle. Either way, the brake lights aren't lit up. Also try and notice how obvious the gear changes are. Unless the drivers are heel-toeing, you can usually see the car lurch a bit each time the gear is changed. You could, in theory, watch and see how often their right hand moves around (in LHD market). Good manual drivers move their hand from the steering wheel, to the stick, and back to the wheel for each change. You generally aren't supposed to rest your hand on the gear lever. Manual cars also don't pass through reverse going into first, so manual drivers go from brake lights, straight to pulling away. And if you see someone get into the car, and the reverse lights are already lit up the moment the car turns on, that means it was parked in reverse (common when parking on a down-slope) -- another manual trait.

Yes, yes, I'm perfectly capable of telling that sort of thing.  But what about all the cars I see on the other side of the Interstate going by at 75 mph?  There's no possible way for me to know if those cars have automatics or sticks.

(Back in '99, I used to drive stick with only my left hand.  I would hold my girlfriend's hand with my right, and both steer and shift with my left.  Turning corners was tricky, having to either start out in 2nd gear or not shift out of 1st until rounding the corner.)

(Back a year or so before that, some of us would go cruising on Friday nights–yes, that was still a thing where I grew up–and we developed a way for three people at once to drive a Ford Ranger stickshift.  The driver worked the pedals, the guy in the middle seat did the steering, and the guy on the passenger side did the shifting.)

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Good manual drivers move their hand from the steering wheel, to the stick, and back to the wheel for each change.

When I'm going 1-2-3-4 (or higher) after taking off, I usually keep my hand slightly above, but not on, the shifter, but otherwise yes.

If I'm going 1-2-3(-4-5) in a relatively short span, hand stays on lever or just above because I'm not in each gear long enough to move it. This is typically the case if I'm pulling out of a toll booth and I'll be in 4th-5th gear within 10 seconds. My car has a really low second gear, so hand almost never leaves the lever between 1 and 2. I'm usually in 2nd within a few seconds of starting (and I'll occasionally go straight to second if I start on a downhill).

Quote from: Takumi on November 08, 2017, 05:38:27 PM

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Good manual drivers move their hand from the steering wheel, to the stick, and back to the wheel for each change.

When I'm going 1-2-3-4 (or higher) after taking off, I usually keep my hand slightly above, but not on, the shifter, but otherwise yes.

True. And even I do pretty much the same thing. Maybe not all the way back to the wheel in every instance, but at least off the shifter.

CT:
I-91 signs to be replaced, the oldest dating to 1985.  Upon completion, exits will be renumbered, making the state completely mile-based.
I-95 study to determine if widening is necessary east of New Haven
Rest Areas on I-84, I-91 reduce hours, only open 2 hours per day, due to budget cutbacks

MA:
I-93/I-95 interchange debate continues (both interchanges)
Traffic reporters continue to reference Route 128, including the Canton-Braintree section

VT:
First section of 3-lane interstate completed in Burlington area

NH:
Franconia Notch Parkway to be widened

ME:
York toll backup now reaches Massachusetts on Fridays, Portland on Sundays

Quote from: jakeroot on November 08, 2017, 04:48:55 PM

Quote from: kphoger on November 08, 2017, 04:36:54 PM
(Back in '99, I used to drive stick with only my left hand.  I would hold my girlfriend's hand with my right, and both steer and shift with my left.

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Jake, you lost the game.

Quote from: formulanone on November 08, 2017, 07:51:17 PM

Quote from: jakeroot on November 08, 2017, 04:48:55 PM

Quote from: kphoger on November 08, 2017, 04:36:54 PM
(Back in '99, I used to drive stick with only my left hand.  I would hold my girlfriend's hand with my right, and both steer and shift with my left.

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Jake, you lost the game.

Not sure what you mean. But I miss a lot of jokes, so, sure.

People who still use gps and don't use self driving cars.

(this might be risky...)

VA 214 decommissioned after General Assembly decides anything related to Robert E Lee doesn't deserve primary funding

"Eddie Lampert manages to close more Kmart & Sears stores, despite the company having none to begin with."

Quote from: shadyjay on November 08, 2017, 07:26:48 PM
CT:
Rest Areas on I-84, I-91 reduce hours, only open 2 hours per day, due to budget cutbacks

Don't get me started on those stupid rest area hours. "Building closed 2:30 PM - 7:30 AM"? WHAT?!?

 All states except NY increase speed limit to 75. NY still at 65.

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 12, 2017, 03:55:11 PM
All states except NY increase speed limit to 75. NY still at 65.

NY considers lowering to 55...

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 12, 2017, 03:55:11 PM
All states except NY increase speed limit to 75. NY still at 65.

We were never expecting NY to ever reach 75 mph speed limits. If Oneida hadn't split from New York, the state would have a 75 mph speed limit. Even I-84 in Oneida has a 75 mph speed limit. And, no, I'm not getting into politics about the West Point scandal and where the New York-Oneida state line should have been drawn.

Virginia increases speed limit to 75, keeps reckless driving threshold at 81

Quote from: 1 on November 12, 2017, 04:04:24 PM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 12, 2017, 03:55:11 PM
All states except NY increase speed limit to 75. NY still at 65.

We were never expecting NY to ever reach 75 mph speed limits. If Oneida hadn't split from New York, the state would have a 75 mph speed limit. Even I-84 in Oneida has a 75 mph speed limit. And, no, I'm not getting into politics about the West Point scandal and where the New York-Oneida state line should have been drawn.

I don't get it. Is this a joke?

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 12, 2017, 05:21:26 PM

Quote from: 1 on November 12, 2017, 04:04:24 PM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 12, 2017, 03:55:11 PM
All states except NY increase speed limit to 75. NY still at 65.

We were never expecting NY to ever reach 75 mph speed limits. If Oneida hadn't split from New York, the state would have a 75 mph speed limit. Even I-84 in Oneida has a 75 mph speed limit. And, no, I'm not getting into politics about the West Point scandal and where the New York-Oneida state line should have been drawn.

I don't get it. Is this a joke?

Oneida is a fairly new state; it was called "Upstate New York" until the mid-2020s.

Quote from: 1 on November 12, 2017, 05:23:18 PM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 12, 2017, 05:21:26 PM

Quote from: 1 on November 12, 2017, 04:04:24 PM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 12, 2017, 03:55:11 PM
All states except NY increase speed limit to 75. NY still at 65.

We were never expecting NY to ever reach 75 mph speed limits. If Oneida hadn't split from New York, the state would have a 75 mph speed limit. Even I-84 in Oneida has a 75 mph speed limit. And, no, I'm not getting into politics about the West Point scandal and where the New York-Oneida state line should have been drawn.

I don't get it. Is this a joke?

Oneida is a fairly new state; it was called "Upstate New York" until the mid-2020s.

What is the border between Oneida and New York?

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 12, 2017, 05:26:14 PM

Quote from: 1 on November 12, 2017, 05:23:18 PM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 12, 2017, 05:21:26 PM

Quote from: 1 on November 12, 2017, 04:04:24 PM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 12, 2017, 03:55:11 PM
All states except NY increase speed limit to 75. NY still at 65.

We were never expecting NY to ever reach 75 mph speed limits. If Oneida hadn't split from New York, the state would have a 75 mph speed limit. Even I-84 in Oneida has a 75 mph speed limit. And, no, I'm not getting into politics about the West Point scandal and where the New York-Oneida state line should have been drawn.

I don't get it. Is this a joke?

Oneida is a fairly new state; it was called "Upstate New York" until the mid-2020s.

What is the border between Oneida and New York?

Now this thread get an entirely different context...
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=18122.0

Every proposal I've seen for upstate secession has it called New Amsterdam.

"NY-400 Proposal Extends Freeway to I-390 in Dansville as I-185"

"I-85 Redesignated to Current US-219"

"Beltway for Buffalo? Excessive Eminent Domain for New Thruway-owned Toll Road Has Longtime Residents of Suburban 50 and 75 Year Old Homes Furious."

"New Beltway May Command Tolls of over $30 One Way"

"With Thruway Still Stuck at Eight Lanes from Hamburg to Clarence, Pressure Increase for Speed Limit Increase to 70 MPH."

Quote from: vdeane on November 12, 2017, 07:46:46 PM
Every proposal I've seen for upstate secession has it called New Amsterdam.

Which is absolutely ridiculous, because that was the Dutch name for New York City. The colony as a whole was New Netherland.

AARoads Forum "º Regional Boards "º Northwest (Moderator: Hurricane Rex "º Article: Washington route shield offensive to whites, Native Americans call for change

Favorite toothed-wheel manufacturer: Spacely's Sprockets or Cogswell's Cogs?

Quote from: kphoger on December 13, 2017, 12:55:18 PM
AARoads Forum "º Regional Boards "º Northwest (Moderator: Hurricane Rex "º Article: Washington route shield offensive to whites, Native Americans call for change

By 2064 I could me a moderator of some sort just because I would be approaching 47 years on the forum.

Caltrans removed the last of its urban surface-street reassurance shields this week, stating that if anyone needed to navigate the formerly marked roads, they could use the new "Route Me Hard, Caltrans" app, available for Windows X-60 and up for the nominal download fee of $49.95; an Apple app will, according to the Caltrans talking head, be available in 8-10 weeks.  That same "spokesrobo" stated that with the price of sheet aluminum approaching $70.00 per pound, this will save the agency about $18 million annually!

Quote from: Takumi on November 07, 2017, 07:26:43 PM

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 07, 2017, 07:06:09 PM

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on November 07, 2017, 03:33:34 PM
Sometimes I feel like the only roadgeek who doesn't own or know how to drive a stick, and isn't particularly interested in such. :spin:

I feel like admitting to it might almost be a mark of shame here, but... I don't know how either. You're not alone. ;-)

I keep thinking you guys are the same person.

I have actually had a similar experience.

Up until a couple of months ago, IIRC, I didn't know that you were two different people (similar ages, similar avatars and regions, similar names). Finally, I noticed the differences and realized that you were not the same person, and overtime since then I have become more skilled at the differentiation and memorization of who is who.  :-D

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 07, 2017, 10:40:16 PM

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on November 07, 2017, 09:02:41 PM

We have the same first name in real life too, so I don't think you're too far off base.

And I'll just add that it's one enormous coincidence. I made up this username well before I was ever on this forum and knew anyone or anything about this place. (Check the date on my imgur account (https://mnhighwayman.imgur.com/all/) if you don't believe me. :))

Wow, what a coincidence!  :wow:

That is very interesting!  :nod:

Quote from: kalvado on November 12, 2017, 03:59:47 PM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 12, 2017, 03:55:11 PM
All states except NY increase speed limit to 75. NY still at 65.

NY considers lowering to 55...

CT brings back 40 MPH urban freeway speed limits, and debuts it's new holographic reflective button copy BGS's.  The Aetna viaduct has been demolished in Hartford, and I-84 becomes a city street with at-grade intersections passing through the city.  As a result of the state government's out of control spending habits, all numbered routes (including SSR's and SR's) are now tolled using AET.  Unless you have a CTPass transponder, which is not compatible with EZ-Pass and charges a $10 a month service fee, you'll receive a toll bill in the mail, along with a summons for toll evasion.  Each road has a gantry every 1/2 mile that charges 50 cents a hit.

ALDOT announces that all signs in the state are finally compliant with the 2009 MUTCD Revisions 1 and 2 standards.

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on December 13, 2017, 07:21:03 PM

Quote from: kalvado on November 12, 2017, 03:59:47 PM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 12, 2017, 03:55:11 PM
All states except NY increase speed limit to 75. NY still at 65.

NY considers lowering to 55...

CT brings back 40 MPH urban freeway speed limits, and debuts it's new holographic reflective button copy BGS's.  The Aetna viaduct has been demolished in Hartford, and I-84 becomes a city street with at-grade intersections passing through the city.  As a result of the state government's out of control spending habits, all numbered routes (including SSR's and SR's) are now tolled using AET.  Unless you have a CTPass transponder, which is not compatible with EZ-Pass and charges a $10 a month service fee, you'll receive a toll bill in the mail, along with a summons for toll evasion.  Each road has a gantry every 1/2 mile that charges 50 cents a hit.

Oregon introduces speed limit decrease to 35.

2000th Tesla Model 3 rolls off the assembly line.

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 13, 2017, 09:38:55 PM

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on December 13, 2017, 07:21:03 PM

Quote from: kalvado on November 12, 2017, 03:59:47 PM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 12, 2017, 03:55:11 PM
All states except NY increase speed limit to 75. NY still at 65.

NY considers lowering to 55...

CT brings back 40 MPH urban freeway speed limits, and debuts it's new holographic reflective button copy BGS's.  The Aetna viaduct has been demolished in Hartford, and I-84 becomes a city street with at-grade intersections passing through the city.  As a result of the state government's out of control spending habits, all numbered routes (including SSR's and SR's) are now tolled using AET.  Unless you have a CTPass transponder, which is not compatible with EZ-Pass and charges a $10 a month service fee, you'll receive a toll bill in the mail, along with a summons for toll evasion.  Each road has a gantry every 1/2 mile that charges 50 cents a hit.

Oregon introduces speed limit decrease to 35.

Yet they still refuse to put the word "Limit" on the new signs.

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on December 14, 2017, 12:27:37 AM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 13, 2017, 09:38:55 PM

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on December 13, 2017, 07:21:03 PM

Quote from: kalvado on November 12, 2017, 03:59:47 PM

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 12, 2017, 03:55:11 PM
All states except NY increase speed limit to 75. NY still at 65.

NY considers lowering to 55...

CT brings back 40 MPH urban freeway speed limits, and debuts it's new holographic reflective button copy BGS's.  The Aetna viaduct has been demolished in Hartford, and I-84 becomes a city street with at-grade intersections passing through the city.  As a result of the state government's out of control spending habits, all numbered routes (including SSR's and SR's) are now tolled using AET.  Unless you have a CTPass transponder, which is not compatible with EZ-Pass and charges a $10 a month service fee, you'll receive a toll bill in the mail, along with a summons for toll evasion.  Each road has a gantry every 1/2 mile that charges 50 cents a hit.

Oregon introduces speed limit decrease to 35.

Yet they still refuse to put the word "Limit" on the new signs.

I actually like the Oregon style sign because it emphasizes what's important the number of the limit. A sign at state entrences exposing our signs would be helpful and needed.

Compromise: Idaho Style: numbers are halfway between the scrunched letters on normal signs, and the super large letters of the Oregon sign. It also contains Speed Limit on it.

I could see a topic being: Cars being banned in Oregon. In this case, the speed limit would be your running speed.

Quote from: Hurricane Rex on December 14, 2017, 03:12:48 AM
I actually like the Oregon style sign because it emphasizes what's important the number of the limit. A sign at state entrences exposing our signs would be helpful and needed.

Oregon doesn't use "LIMIT" on some of their signs because all speeds below 55 are, from what I can tell, suggestions, at least on roads that aren't in cities, school zones, or on interstates (from 2003, hence the large number of "SPEED LIMIT" signs now prevalent in those areas). Exceeding the posted speed outside of those areas is apparently legal, so long as you can prove that the speed you are going is "reasonable and prudent".

Someone who is more familiar with Oregon law should follow up my post, because I'm only 50/50 certain that what I wrote was correct.

Anyone going to revive the 1864 thread so these "in the year" threads all get back on the short list for thread locks?

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 14, 2017, 09:19:18 PM
Anyone going to revive the 1864 thread so these "in the year" threads all get back on the short list for thread locks?

I that it was quietly locked a while ago.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 14, 2017, 09:19:18 PM
Anyone going to revive the 1864 thread so these "in the year" threads all get back on the short list for thread locks?

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Quote from: jakeroot on December 14, 2017, 03:40:14 PM

Quote from: Hurricane Rex on December 14, 2017, 03:12:48 AM
I actually like the Oregon style sign because it emphasizes what's important the number of the limit. A sign at state entrences exposing our signs would be helpful and needed.

Oregon doesn't use "LIMIT" on some of their signs because all speeds below 55 are, from what I can tell, suggestions, at least on roads that aren't in cities, school zones, or on interstates (from 2003, hence the large number of "SPEED LIMIT" signs now prevalent in those areas). Exceeding the posted speed outside of those areas is apparently legal, so long as you can prove that the speed you are going is "reasonable and prudent".

Someone who is more familiar with Oregon law should follow up my post, because I'm only 50/50 certain that what I wrote was correct.

Driver's manual for reference: http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/Forms/DMV/37.pdf

Some quotes to help both of us.

QuoteRegulatory Signs–Other
Regulatory signs are rectangular with black words or symbols on a
white background and tell you what to do. They may be posted alone,
with other traffic signs, or with traffic signals. Not all regulatory signs
are shown here.
Speed:

(Speed 40 picture, followed by speed limit 40 picture)

This indicates the maximum speed in miles per
hour. The speed begins at this sign and ends where
a different speed is posted. Signs may be electronic
and may change based on current conditions.

Speed Regulations:

The Basic Rule Law:
The basic rule states you must drive at a speed that is reasonable and
cautious for existing conditions. The basic rule applies on all roads at
all times.
To obey the basic rule, think about your speed in relation to other
traffic, pedestrians, bicycles, the surface and width of the road, hazards
at intersections, weather, visibility, and any other conditions that affect
safety. The basic rule does not allow you to drive over the speed limit.
If you drive at a speed that is unsafe for existing conditions in any area,
at any time, even if it is slower than the speed limit, you are violating
the basic rule.

Speed Limits:
In addition to the basic rule, Oregon has maximum speed limits. A
speed limit is the maximum speed considered safe for the area under
ideal driving conditions.
The following speeds are set in law for the specifi ed areas, whether
posted or not. They apply unless a different speed is posted.
15 MILES PER HOUR
(Speed 15 sign)
- When driving in alleys.
- Narrow residential areas.
20 MILES PER HOUR
(Speed 20 sign)
- In any business district.
- Within a school speed zone.
25 MILES PER HOUR
(Speed 25 sign)
- In residential districts.
- In public parks.
- On ocean shores, if vehicles are permitted.
55 MILES PER HOUR
(Speed 55 sign)
- On all roads and highways not meeting any other
definition unless otherwise posted.
INTERSTATE SPEED LIMITS
(Speed Limit 65 sign)
- Speed limits will vary on interstate highways.

Take it how you wish, I could go either way after reading this again.

Quote from: jakeroot on December 14, 2017, 03:40:14 PM
Oregon doesn't use "LIMIT" on some of their signs because all speeds below 55 are, from what I can tell, suggestions, at least on roads that aren't in cities, school zones, or on interstates (from 2003, hence the large number of "SPEED LIMIT" signs now prevalent in those areas). Exceeding the posted speed outside of those areas is apparently legal, so long as you can prove that the speed you are going is "reasonable and prudent".

Someone who is more familiar with Oregon law should follow up my post, because I'm only 50/50 certain that what I wrote was correct.

This is almost exactly right.

I think the only part you missed is that 25 mph on ocean shores is absolute, not just prima facie.

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Quote from: Hurricane Rex on December 15, 2017, 01:17:00 AM
Driver's manual for reference: http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/Forms/DMV/37.pdf

Some quotes to help both of us.

Take it how you wish, I could go either way after reading this again.

A handbook is not law, so quoting from it isn't the same as quoting the actual statutes.  The authors of the handbook weren't necessarily correct in their interpretation of the statutes, so it's better to look at the statutes themselves.  I have included hyperlinks to each of the applicable statutes, with my own interpretation below each one.

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Violation of basic speed rule (https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/811.100)
Speeds that are evidence of basic rule violation (https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/811.105)
It is always illegal to drive faster than reasonable and prudent; violating this basic speed rule is prima facie evidence of speeding.
Prima facie evidence can be contested; that is, it can be dismissed if you prove your speed was actually reasonable and prudent.
If there is no posted designated speed, then exceeding the following thresholds are considered prima facie evidence of speeding:
- 15 mph in an alley or narrow street
- 20 mph in a business district
- 25 mph in a public park
- 25 mph in a residential district not within a city and not on an arterial or collector road
- 55 mph elsewhere (redundant, see below)

Designation of maximum speeds (https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/810.180)
If there is a posted designated speed, then exceeding that speed is prima facie evidence of speeding.

Designation of maximum speeds (https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/810.180)
Violating a speed limit (https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/811.111)
The following are absolute speed limits rather than prima facie, meaning they cannot be contested:
- 25 mph on an ocean shore, absent any lower posted speed limit
- 15 mph within a city in an alley or narrow street
- 20 mph within a city in a business district
- 20 mph in a school zone with its light flashing
- 20 mph in a school zone that doesn't have a flashing light, if between 7 AM and 5 PM on a school day
- 20 mph at a school crosswalk with children present
- 25 mph within a city in a public park
- 25 mph within a city in a residential district not on an arterial road
- 55 mph elsewhere, except as indicated below
- - - 65 mph on SR-20 between Bend and Ontario
- - - 65 mph on SR-26 between Vale and John Day
- - - 65 mph on SR-31 between Valley Falls and La Pine
- - - 65 mph on SR-78 between Burns and Burns Junction
- - - 65 mph on SR-97 between Klamath Falls and SR-197
- - - 65 mph on SR-197 between The Dalles and SR-97
- - - 65 mph on SR-205 between Burns and Frenchglen
- - - 65 mph on SR-395 between Burns and John Day, or between Riley and the California state line
- - - 70 mph on SR-95 between the Idaho and Nevada state lines
- 65 mph on an Interstate, except as indicated below
- - - 70 mph on I-84 between The Dalles and the Idaho state line

Quote from: kphoger on December 15, 2017, 02:42:28 PM

- - - 65 mph on SR-97 between Klamath Falls and SR-197
- 65 mph on an Interstate, except as indicated below
- - - 70 mph on I-84 between The Dalles and the Idaho state line

I-82 and 97 would like to disagree with you.

I-82 is 70T65
US 97 is 65T60 from US 197 to Klamath Falls the California state Line.

Changed in HB 4047 in 2016.

Quote from: Hurricane Rex on December 16, 2017, 02:59:48 AM

Quote from: kphoger on December 15, 2017, 02:42:28 PM

- - - 65 mph on SR-97 between Klamath Falls and SR-197
- 65 mph on an Interstate, except as indicated below
- - - 70 mph on I-84 between The Dalles and the Idaho state line

I-82 and 97 would like to disagree with you.

I-82 is 70T65
US 97 is 65T60 from US 197 to Klamath Falls the California state Line.

Changed in HB 4047 in 2016.

Yeah, I was starting to go crazy deciphering all the laws, so I didn't even bother diving into the revision.  Good catch.

Thread title: Handheld teleporter now-available. Will this change how cars interact with pedestrians?

First paragraph:

Quote from: Announcement from AppleAs you may remember, the first teleporter was invented in 2049. The first point-and-click teleporter was invented in 2056. Now the first commercially-available teleporter is available, called the iPorter. It has a laser pointer and a button. When you press the button partway, the laser pointer almost locks in place, allowing very-small movements for exact precision. When you press the button fully, you teleport if it is safe. There is automatic safety detection, so you will never teleport to an unsafe place. You can get the iPorter NOW for only $6.3k!

Note 1: The English language has changed a bit. Hyphens between adverbs and adjectives are more common in 2064 than in 2017.
Note 2: All cars are self-driving in 2064. The biggest problem with self-driving cars is pedestrians, as pedestrians are obviously not automated. If a handheld teleporter is invented, then pedestrians would not be required to cross roads on foot.

Quote from: 1 on December 19, 2017, 10:33:38 AM
Thread title: Handheld teleporter now-available. Will this change how cars interact with pedestrians?

First paragraph:

Quote from: Announcement from AppleAs you may remember, the first teleporter was invented in 2049. The first point-and-click teleporter was invented in 2056. Now the first commercially-available teleporter is available, called the iPorter. It has a laser pointer and a button. When you press the button partway, the laser pointer almost locks in place, allowing very-small movements for exact precision. When you press the button fully, you teleport if it is safe. There is automatic safety detection, so you will never teleport to an unsafe place. You can get the iPorter NOW for only $6.3k!

Note 1: The English language has changed a bit. Hyphens between adverbs and adjectives are more common in 2064 than in 2017.
Note 2: All cars are self-driving in 2064. The biggest problem with self-driving cars is pedestrians, as pedestrians are obviously not automated. If a handheld teleporter is invented, then pedestrians would not be required to cross roads on foot.

This is reminding me strongly of Fahrenheit 451.

Quote from: kphoger on December 19, 2017, 02:24:37 PM
This is reminding me strongly of Fahrenheit 451.

Thankfully, in 2035, book burning was banned to prevent unnecessary chemicals from polluting the atmosphere.

Unfortunately, the neuronic whip was invented in 2032, so removing information became easier (although more painful).

I have an idea for a thread: Why is this thread still going?

Quote from: formulanone on December 19, 2017, 06:20:24 PM

Quote from: kphoger on December 19, 2017, 02:24:37 PM
This is reminding me strongly of Fahrenheit 451.

Thankfully, in 2035, book burning was banned to prevent unnecessary chemicals from polluting the atmosphere.

Unfortunately, the neuronic whip was invented in 2032, so removing information became easier (although more painful).

This is reminding me faintly of the Perkins Union.

Quote from: kphoger on December 21, 2017, 01:56:04 PM

Quote from: formulanone on December 19, 2017, 06:20:24 PM

Quote from: kphoger on December 19, 2017, 02:24:37 PM
This is reminding me strongly of Fahrenheit 451.

Thankfully, in 2035, book burning was banned to prevent unnecessary chemicals from polluting the atmosphere.

Unfortunately, the neuronic whip was invented in 2032, so removing information became easier (although more painful).

This is reminding me faintly of the Perkins Union.

I'll admit, Alanland was meant to be a parody of the Perkins Union as much as it was anything else, even down to the red guide signs (which were then thoroughly ODOTized). I think at one point I even established that Alanland used to be the Perkins Union until it was replaced by something less and more awful.

Wait, I thought the Perkins Union originated from the Alanland thread? Did I misread the thread and/or is there something else I'm unaware of?

No, the Perkins Union came first.

Wasn't the Perkins Union the place where everything is punishable by death?

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 21, 2017, 08:12:08 PM
Wasn't the Perkins Union the place where everything is punishable by death?

Indeed, and it was a bunch of really off-the-wall stuff that was, too, like littering and not using seatbelts. If it wasn't punishable by death, it was lengthy jail sentences. This tendency led me to create this parody image:

(https://i.imgur.com/9KVeHEu.png)

Anyone have a link to the original thread? Or is it long gone?

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2995.0

A lot of the images are broken though.

Quote from: Scott5114 on December 21, 2017, 10:38:54 PM

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 21, 2017, 08:12:08 PM
Wasn’t the Perkins Union the place where everything is punishable by death?

Indeed, and it was a bunch of really off-the-wall stuff that was, too, like littering and not using seatbelts. If it wasn't punishable by death, it was lengthy jail sentences. This tendency led me to create this parody image:

(https://i.imgur.com/9KVeHEu.png)

I’m okay with that Movie Theater fine, especially if it includes chatty folks during the feature.

Now having read the thread, I'm not sure if the few laughs outweighed the number of brain cells lost. (Also, probably would've been better with pictures...)

Also, I love that welcome sign, Scott. :-D

Quote from: Scott5114 on December 22, 2017, 02:38:56 AM
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2995.0

A lot of the images are broken though.

Well, there went my productivity at work today...

I think it's safe to say that reading that thread at work is not a good idea.  I had a hard time stifling my laughter.

I think that this thread will still be active in 2064. Or at least, I hope so.

Quote from: vdeane on December 22, 2017, 09:45:37 PM
I think it's safe to say that reading that thread at work is not a good idea.  I had a hard time stifling my laughter.

I could argue reading it at school is even worse. Just my opinion.

Its scary to think that I would be 95 years old and driving my vintage 50 year old 2014 Mustang GT 6 speed manual in 2064.....

Quote from: slorydn1 on December 23, 2017, 05:36:06 AM
Its scary to think that I would be 95 years old and driving my vintage 50 year old 2014 Mustang GT 6 speed manual in 2064.....

Wow, you're optimistic!

Quote from: kphoger on December 22, 2017, 01:39:31 PM

Quote from: Scott5114 on December 22, 2017, 02:38:56 AM
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2995.0

A lot of the images are broken though.

Well, there went my productivity at work today...

Quote from: vdeane on December 22, 2017, 09:45:37 PM
I think it's safe to say that reading that thread at work is not a good idea.  I had a hard time stifling my laughter.

Actually, I gave up after a few pages, skipped to the last one, and didn't really find more than one or two posts particularly funny.  It certainly ain't no A.lanland (where double negatives are required in all situations).

Quote from: kalvado on December 23, 2017, 11:31:33 AM

Quote from: slorydn1 on December 23, 2017, 05:36:06 AM
Its scary to think that I would be 95 years old and driving my vintage 50 year old 2014 Mustang GT 6 speed manual in 2064.....

Wow, you're optimistic!

I have to be. The minute I quit, I'm dead.  :p

Quote from: kphoger on December 23, 2017, 04:52:14 PM

Quote from: kphoger on December 22, 2017, 01:39:31 PM

Quote from: Scott5114 on December 22, 2017, 02:38:56 AM
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2995.0

A lot of the images are broken though.

Well, there went my productivity at work today...

Quote from: vdeane on December 22, 2017, 09:45:37 PM
I think it's safe to say that reading that thread at work is not a good idea.  I had a hard time stifling my laughter.

Actually, I gave up after a few pages, skipped to the last one, and didn't really find more than one or two posts particularly funny.  It certainly ain't no A.lanland (where double negatives are required in all situations).

It's more amusing if you keep thinking about the capital punishment in the back of your mind with every single post.  Although it doesn't need to be in the back of your mind when you're reading the post about the nightclub owner that was burned at the stake.  And that one was by the OP!

Listening to one of the DUI attorney commercials on the radio today, I thought "if you get arrested by the road, be glad you're not in the Perkins Union where the officer will blow your brains out for all the passing motorists to see".                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

Quote from: Scott5114 on December 22, 2017, 02:38:56 AM
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2995.0

A lot of the images are broken though.

Many of his signs are viewable through the documents he posted via his OneDrive (then called SkyDrive). The links start on page 6 (but several on this page, namely the first few, seem to be broken).

You'll need the Roadgeek 2005 fonts installed. Not using the font is punishable by death, I assume.

This will probably get me the electric chair, but here's some of PU's law-related signage:

(https://i.imgur.com/qmFjt8U.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ekby3qW.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/KLs4g2t.png) (https://i.imgur.com/SmF99im.png) (https://i.imgur.com/z4bSnqD.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/PlN6nko.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9ioMVgK.png)

Quote from: jakeroot on December 24, 2017, 02:07:20 AM
This will probably get me the electric chair, but here's some of PU's law-related signage:

(https://i.imgur.com/qmFjt8U.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ekby3qW.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/KLs4g2t.png) (https://i.imgur.com/SmF99im.png) (https://i.imgur.com/z4bSnqD.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/PlN6nko.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9ioMVgK.png)

I actually like some of them so it's not in the fore for me.

They're composed well as images, but the penalties are far out of line with the severity of the crimes. The vast majority of the time, nothing bad will happen if you blow by a pulled-over cop car at 70 mph, certainly nothing warranting prison.

I wonder what the penalty is for using a runaway truck ramp when not a runaway truck. Why were so many people using them that it had to be STRICTLY prohibited, anyhow?

Quote from: Scott5114 on December 24, 2017, 03:50:11 AM
They're composed well as images, but the penalties are far out of line with the severity of the crimes.

(https://cdn0.iconfinder.com/data/icons/totalcake-emoticons/32/facepalm-128.png)

Quote from: vdeane on December 23, 2017, 10:24:32 PM
It's more amusing if you keep thinking about the capital punishment in the back of your mind with every single post.  Although it doesn't need to be in the back of your mind when you're reading the post about the nightclub owner that was burned at the stake.  And that one was by the OP!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

Yeah, a factory owner was also burned at the stake in another incident. Also the entire town not knowing they built their football field on an active volcano was very Alanlandish. But after page 5 or so it was pretty much just signage.

Quote from: Takumi on December 26, 2017, 11:03:36 AM

Quote from: vdeane on December 23, 2017, 10:24:32 PM
It's more amusing if you keep thinking about the capital punishment in the back of your mind with every single post.  Although it doesn't need to be in the back of your mind when you're reading the post about the nightclub owner that was burned at the stake.  And that one was by the OP!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

Yeah, a factory owner was also burned at the stake in another incident. Also the entire town not knowing they built their football field on an active volcano was very Alanlandish. But after page 5 or so it was pretty much just signage.

In fairness, that is not impossible - there was a case when volcano literally grew up in the middle of a field within hours.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Par%C3%ADcutin

Quote from: kalvado on December 26, 2017, 11:36:17 AM
In fairness, that is not impossible - there was a case when volcano literally grew up in the middle of a field within hours.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Par%C3%ADcutin

I strongly suspect that that's what inspired the OP in the Perkins Union thread in the first place.

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 26, 2017, 11:40:19 AM

Quote from: kalvado on December 26, 2017, 11:36:17 AM
In fairness, that is not impossible - there was a case when volcano literally grew up in the middle of a field within hours.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Par%C3%ADcutin

I strongly suspect that that's what inspired the OP in the Perkins Union thread in the first place.

Yeah, same with the nightclub incident.

Quote from: Takumi on December 26, 2017, 11:54:07 AM

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 26, 2017, 11:40:19 AM

Quote from: kalvado on December 26, 2017, 11:36:17 AM
In fairness, that is not impossible - there was a case when volcano literally grew up in the middle of a field within hours.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Par%C3%ADcutin

I strongly suspect that that's what inspired the OP in the Perkins Union thread in the first place.

Yeah, same with the nightclub incident.

& Sheepgate.

Wasn't sure where to post this, so here it is.

If you google "What is Alanland", Google gives you an answer from AARoads.  I want to try this with "Hey Google".

Quote from: Google
alanland is a place where people do not go out and work and leave home when they become an adult. Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it. Feb 27, 2015

What is Alanland? - AARoads
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14902.0

Quote from: kphoger on December 26, 2017, 05:04:03 PM
Wasn't sure where to post this, so here it is.

If you google "What is Alanland", Google gives you an answer from AARoads.  I want to try this with "Hey Google".

Ha! That's great! I tried the "Hey Google" thing with my phone, and it reads it out just like in Google Search. But it does pronounce "Alanland" as "uh-LAN-land". :-D

Still trying to figure out who dropped the "winding road" comment. Sheryl Crow?

Quote from: jakeroot on December 26, 2017, 05:36:52 PM

Quote from: kphoger on December 26, 2017, 05:04:03 PM
Wasn't sure where to post this, so here it is.

If you google "What is Alanland", Google gives you an answer from AARoads.  I want to try this with "Hey Google".

Ha! That's great! I tried the "Hey Google" thing with my phone, and it reads it out just like in Google Search. But it does pronounce "Alanland" as "uh-LAN-land". :-D

Still trying to figure out who dropped the "winding road" comment. Sheryl Crow?

That's part of someone's forum signature here. Why Google relates that to Alanland, though, I can't answer...

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 26, 2017, 05:59:43 PM

Quote from: jakeroot on December 26, 2017, 05:36:52 PM

Quote from: kphoger on December 26, 2017, 05:04:03 PM
Wasn't sure where to post this, so here it is.

If you google "What is Alanland", Google gives you an answer from AARoads.  I want to try this with "Hey Google".

Ha! That's great! I tried the "Hey Google" thing with my phone, and it reads it out just like in Google Search. But it does pronounce "Alanland" as "uh-LAN-land". :-D

Still trying to figure out who dropped the "winding road" comment. Sheryl Crow?

That's part of someone's forum signature here. Why Google relates that to Alanland, though, I can't answer...

Oh, I see it now, under roadman65's post. I guess the algorithm needs some work!

Quote from: kalvado on December 26, 2017, 11:36:17 AM

Quote from: Takumi on December 26, 2017, 11:03:36 AM

Quote from: vdeane on December 23, 2017, 10:24:32 PM
It's more amusing if you keep thinking about the capital punishment in the back of your mind with every single post.  Although it doesn't need to be in the back of your mind when you're reading the post about the nightclub owner that was burned at the stake.  And that one was by the OP!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

Yeah, a factory owner was also burned at the stake in another incident. Also the entire town not knowing they built their football field on an active volcano was very Alanlandish. But after page 5 or so it was pretty much just signage.

In fairness, that is not impossible - there was a case when volcano literally grew up in the middle of a field within hours.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Par%C3%ADcutin

And to think I thought SimCity 4's volcano disaster was unrealistic.

AA roads topics x years into the future (I realize this can be cliché)

Quote from: Scott5114 on December 24, 2017, 03:50:11 AM
They're composed well as images, but the penalties are far out of line with the severity of the crimes. The vast majority of the time, nothing bad will happen if you blow by a pulled-over cop car at 70 mph, certainly nothing warranting prison.

It depends on what falls out of your vehicle during the traffic stop.

Whoops...is that your sliced durian?