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Title: US 13 Alt. at the DE-PA line?
Post by: NE2 on January 30, 2015, 09:03:00 AM
WTF? (http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/39.8185/-75.4266&layers=Q)
Title: Re: US 13 Alt. at the DE-PA line?
Post by: Zeffy on January 30, 2015, 09:29:50 AM
Isn't that the main US 13 alignment? Who labeled it as an alternate route?
Title: Re: US 13 Alt. at the DE-PA line?
Post by: PHLBOS on January 30, 2015, 09:36:18 AM
Definitely an error.  I've driven that road many times and never saw any ALT. US 13 signs along that stretch.

Quote from: Zeffy on January 30, 2015, 09:29:50 AM
Isn't that the main US 13 alignment? Who labeled it as an alternate route?
No.  US 13 runs south of the Amtrak/SEPTA rail corridor along W. 4th St./Post Road west of Highland Ave. in Chester.

Openstreetmap does show the correct routing of US 13.
Title: Re: US 13 Alt. at the DE-PA line?
Post by: Zeffy on January 30, 2015, 09:39:27 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on January 30, 2015, 09:36:18 AM
No.  US 13 runs south of the Amtrak/SEPTA rail corridor along W. 4th St./Post Road west of Highland Ave. in Chester.


Openstreetmap does show the correct routing of US 13.

Oh crap, I wasn't looking at the right road... still too early in the morning I guess.

Looking through my old maps, I haven't found any indication that [East] Ridge Road was ever an alternate route of US 13.
Title: Re: US 13 Alt. at the DE-PA line?
Post by: Alex on January 30, 2015, 10:20:23 AM
I have seen an old map or two with this designation, but never saw signs for it in the field (at least on DE 491). If I can track one of those down I'll scan it and post it here someday.
Title: Re: US 13 Alt. at the DE-PA line?
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 30, 2015, 10:21:27 AM
I think there was construction going on in the area in the recent past, which had US 13 closed and Ridge Rd. was the detour route. 

Far cry from "Alt US 13" though.
Title: Re: US 13 Alt. at the DE-PA line?
Post by: Chris19001 on January 30, 2015, 01:24:21 PM
I've been seeing some new ALT routes in this region as of the last 6 months or so.  I can think of a few along the PA-73 corridor, and US-202 corridor that just looked very out of place.  I only recall the signs pointing you towards a road at an incoming intersection rather than actually being posted ALONG the route though.  Don't know if this US 13 issue is related, or if somebody just decided to throw some more budget money into strange signs..
Title: Re: US 13 Alt. at the DE-PA line?
Post by: PHLBOS on January 30, 2015, 01:52:11 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 30, 2015, 10:21:27 AM
I think there was construction going on in the area in the recent past, which had US 13 closed and Ridge Rd. was the detour route.
Then there would been DETOUR US 13 trailblazer assemblies erected at the time and I don't think that such a detour was up long enough to warrant markers (though erroneous in this case) on a map whether hard-copy or electronic.
Title: Re: US 13 Alt. at the DE-PA line?
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 30, 2015, 02:09:25 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on January 30, 2015, 01:52:11 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 30, 2015, 10:21:27 AM
I think there was construction going on in the area in the recent past, which had US 13 closed and Ridge Rd. was the detour route.
Then there would been DETOUR US 13 trailblazer assemblies erected at the time and I don't think that such a detour was up long enough to warrant markers (though erroneous in this case) on a map whether hard-copy or electronic.

NE2's link is to an opensource map, where any fuckup can modify it to whatever they please.
Title: Re: US 13 Alt. at the DE-PA line?
Post by: NE2 on January 30, 2015, 02:29:25 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 30, 2015, 02:09:25 PM
NE2's link is to an opensource map, where any fuckup can modify it to whatever they please.
As opposed to the Goog, where any fuckup can get their Quebec Route 366 accepted by slave laborers who don't know how to remove it :bigass:
Title: Re: US 13 Alt. at the DE-PA line?
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 30, 2015, 03:16:47 PM
This route was added over 8 months ago by the user Matt1993 (https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Matt1993) in Changeset 23018194 (https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/23018194) (per history of Way 17230864 (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/17230864/history)) if anybody wants to ask him about it.

On a side note, is the first exit going SB on I-495 there really Exit #9 for DE-92?  Wikipedia says it's Exit #6.
Title: Re: US 13 Alt. at the DE-PA line?
Post by: NE2 on January 30, 2015, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 30, 2015, 03:16:47 PM
On a side note, is the first exit going SB on I-495 there really Exit #9 for DE-92?  Wikipedia says it's Exit #6.
Looks like that was my typo between the twin horseshits of the redaction and my ban.
http://www.interstate-guide.com/images495/i-495_de_nt_10.jpg
Title: Re: US 13 Alt. at the DE-PA line?
Post by: Alps on January 31, 2015, 12:49:46 AM
I've seen enough old maps refer to this that I think it was an actual designation once. Signed or not, I cannot say. FHWA-official, unlikely. But it's PA.
Title: Re: US 13 Alt. at the DE-PA line?
Post by: PHLBOS on February 01, 2015, 04:10:19 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 31, 2015, 12:49:46 AM
I've seen enough old maps refer to this that I think it was an actual designation once. Signed or not, I cannot say. FHWA-official, unlikely. But it's PA.
Not sure regarding this particular segment; but further north/east, MacDade Blvd. between Chester/Woodlyn and Darby Borough had TRUCK (US) 13 trailblazer signs for most of its length up until roughly 20 years ago.  The reasoning for this truck route was due to the low clearance of the Amtrak/SEPTA trestle at the South Ave. intersection in Glenolden.

View from South Ave. north of US 13 (Chester Pike). (http://goo.gl/maps/Y9njR)

View along US 13 northbound facing trestle overpass. (http://goo.gl/maps/L3fRC)

Some maps as well as one old Blue Route study from the 1970s had this stretch of Mac Dade Blvd. marked as either ALT. 13 or BYP. 13.
Title: Re: US 13 Alt. at the DE-PA line?
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 19, 2015, 12:10:54 AM
NE2, Matt1993 responded to your 'note' (https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/309527) on this subject.
Title: Re: US 13 Alt. at the DE-PA line?
Post by: Alps on February 20, 2015, 12:51:49 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on February 19, 2015, 12:10:54 AM
NE2, Matt1993 responded to your 'note' (https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/309527) on this subject.
It's been uncertain whether that was ever signed, but I'd never have said outright "no". I'm inclined to believe Matt1993... except if he was really born in 1993, I question that he's old enough for it to have been posted.