Looking at a receipt today that said "FedEx Office" on it, I immediately referred to it as a receipt from Kinko's. This was not a conscious effort.
Folks who have been around here long enough often refer to the supermarket Market Basket as "Demoulas'" after the owning family whose name the stores once carried but no longer do.
And I still use the phrase "Giants Stadium" in conversation to refer to the place the New York Giants currently play.
What superseded names do you use without thinking about it?
In before 128.
Quote from: NE2 on February 26, 2015, 01:50:51 PM
In before 128.
128 is still in use. I'm thinking of names completely replaced.
Changed thread title to better reflect that.
I still frequently use "Ottawa River Parkway" without meaning it, and it's as if Canadiens de Montréal Avenue didn't exist (I still call it Gauchetière all the time).
My family still gets onto A-30 from 132/201 in Valleyfield, as well as from 132 in Saint-Constant.
These first three are/were intentional:
–I refer to the former Hecht's stores around here as "Hecht's" (they're now Macy's).
–I refer to Washington's NBA team as the Bullets, their old name. They've never played well enough to distinguish themselves from the bad Bullets teams I saw when I was growing up (indeed, of all the NBA banners at Verizon Center, NONE were won by a team named "Wizards"). I also find the name "Wizards" amusing in a majority-black city because it makes me picture a basketball team dressed in Klan regalia. Maybe Donald Sterling should buy them!
–Back when the old Capital Centre arena's name was changed to US Air Arena (and then US Airways Arena) I never stopped calling it the Capital Centre. Ultimately after the Capitals and Bullets moved downtown to the then-new MCI Center, US Air pulled the sponsorship and the building went back to being the Capital Centre, so I figure I had it right all along.
–I sometimes still refer to the NBC Sports Network as Versus, its old name. Sometimes it's just because I forget, but the old name is shorter and easier to type.
–I have been known to give directions by noting things like "turn right where Magruder's used to be, then turn right again at the next stop sign." Sometimes this is because I can't remember what replaced the former business; other times it's simply because that's how I think of a location and I can't be bothered to find out what moved in to replace the one that closed. But I do try to use additional landmarks in case someone doesn't know where Magruder's was (example: "After you pass under the overpass, take the next right turn where Magruder's used to be, then go right again at the next stop sign.").
I've still occasionally refer to Martin Luther King Dr. in Philly as West River Drive.
It took me a few years to stop referring to Temple University's Liacouras Center as the Apollo Arena (its original name).
I've still referred the AT&T Station along SEPTA's Broad Street Line as Pattison.
Recently, I've referred to Jefferson Station along SEPTA's Regional Rail as Market East; granted, that name change happened only a few months back.
Many people still refer to US Airways as USAir despite the fact that the name change occurred back in 1997. Such won't matter too much longer since it will be adopting the American Airlines name courtesy of the recent merger.
NASCAR Busch Series, intentionally.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 26, 2015, 02:09:49 PM–I have been known to give directions by noting things like "turn right where Magruder's used to be, then turn right again at the next stop sign." Sometimes this is because I can't remember what replaced the former business; other times it's simply because that's how I think of a location and I can't be bothered to find out what moved in to replace the one that closed. But I do try to use additional landmarks in case someone doesn't know where Magruder's was (example: "After you pass under the overpass, take the next right turn where Magruder's used to be, then go right again at the next stop sign.").
You sure you're not from Boston?
Not that I talk about NASCAR too often, but if I don't stop to think about it, "Winston Cup" and "Busch Series" are likely to be the terms I use to distinguish the top two levels.
Sears Tower.
State Route 238 (Ohio).
Polaris Amphitheater. (It even took me a few minutes to remember what the "new" name was.)
In the event the naming rights go to someone else at some point, Nationwide Arena.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 26, 2015, 02:27:46 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 26, 2015, 02:09:49 PM–I have been known to give directions by noting things like "turn right where Magruder's used to be, then turn right again at the next stop sign." Sometimes this is because I can't remember what replaced the former business; other times it's simply because that's how I think of a location and I can't be bothered to find out what moved in to replace the one that closed. But I do try to use additional landmarks in case someone doesn't know where Magruder's was (example: "After you pass under the overpass, take the next right turn where Magruder's used to be, then go right again at the next stop sign.").
You sure you're not from Boston?
I listen to Boston, if that counts.
But the sort of thing I described is also very common in Charlottesville. I know people who refer to places using the names of businesses that closed 40+ years ago. No doubt part of this is because it's a university town and it's natural to think of it the way it was when you were in school.
BTW, I would also refer to "Winston Cup" and "Busch Series," although I watch F1 more than I watch NASCAR.
None. If I use an old name, I definitely mean to. I'm looking at you, Harborlights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Hills_Bank_Pavilion).
Outside Jacksonville there is a beach access in Ponte Vedra Beach called Micklers Landing, St Johns County made a nice parking facility and upgrades a few years ago. It used to be called Crossroads by all the surfers and Jax Beach locals. It was a quiet little paths to the beach.
You can tell who has been in Jax since the 90s if they call it Crossroads
Quote from: Takumi on February 26, 2015, 02:26:05 PM
NASCAR Busch Series, intentionally.
I was shocked to discover that 2007 was the last year of Busch sponsorship for NASCAR's 2nd tier. Maybe I'll start calling it the Nationwide Series now that it's the Xfinity Series.
MAC machine. Not an ATM. When ATMs were first introduced, the Philly area machines were called MAC machines. The name still sticks in this area.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 26, 2015, 02:33:37 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 26, 2015, 02:27:46 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 26, 2015, 02:09:49 PM–I have been known to give directions by noting things like "turn right where Magruder's used to be, then turn right again at the next stop sign." Sometimes this is because I can't remember what replaced the former business; other times it's simply because that's how I think of a location and I can't be bothered to find out what moved in to replace the one that closed. But I do try to use additional landmarks in case someone doesn't know where Magruder's was (example: "After you pass under the overpass, take the next right turn where Magruder's used to be, then go right again at the next stop sign.").
You sure you're not from Boston?
I listen to Boston, if that counts.
But the sort of thing I described is also very common in Charlottesville. I know people who refer to places using the names of businesses that closed 40+ years ago. No doubt part of this is because it's a university town and it's natural to think of it the way it was when you were in school.
BTW, I would also refer to "Winston Cup" and "Busch Series," although I watch F1 more than I watch NASCAR.
I watch both about equally, but I simply call the main NACAR series the Cup series.
I also describe the location of the primary store I work at as "where the mall used to be".
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 26, 2015, 03:03:10 PM
MAC machine. Not an ATM. When ATMs were first introduced, the Philly area machines were called MAC machines. The name still sticks in this area.
My father still refers to an ATM as a "Ready Freddy", because his first exposure to them was through Old Stone Bank in RI, which used the Flintstones in their branding and marketed their ATMs as such.
Quote from: Takumi on February 26, 2015, 02:26:05 PM
NASCAR Busch Series, intentionally.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 26, 2015, 02:33:37 PM
BTW, I would also refer to "Winston Cup" and "Busch Series," although I watch F1 more than I watch NASCAR.
For some reason, that series will always be the Busch series to me. And "sprint cars" (lowercase "s") are what USAC used to call their open-wheel series, before the CART split of '79, so it never really stuck to me, even though I've never been a big fan of smokin' and drinkin', but old habits...Going back to calling them "Grand Nationals" would be a start, but that doesn't pay the bills.
I never liked calling the largest football stadium in Dade* County anything other than it's original name of
Joe Robbie Stadium; even calling it "Dolphins Stadium" was a little odd when the Florida Marlins** also called it their home.
I don't think too many people ever call it "Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport", once the city of nearby Hollywood worked it's way into the name sometime in the mid-1990s.
* = There's another one
** = Take two
Daniel Boone Parkway instead of Hal Rogers Parkway.
Less frequently, Natcher Parkway instead of Green River Parkway.
In Orlando, I'm sure some people still call the Beachline Expwy the "Beeline"
Quote from: Brian556 on February 26, 2015, 03:51:05 PM
In Orlando, I'm sure some people still call the Beachline Expwy the "Beeline"
I thought that was a typo for about five years. It's the Beeline.
Quote from: Brian556 on February 26, 2015, 03:51:05 PM
In Orlando, I'm sure some people still call the Beachline Expwy the "Beeline"
I do, except I spell it as two words ("Bee Line") because that's how I recall the signs spelling it. Our relatives in the Melbourne/Viera and Fort Myers areas also call it the Bee Line, though I don't know how they spell it.
I deliberately call it the Bee Line (or 528).
Burma
Bombay
REA poles (occasionally, and on purpose)
Kinkos (not as often nowadays)
The artist once again known as Prince
COMISKEY PARK!
In downtown Columbus: City Center Garage. Though it serves several attractions now, I think it's mostly associated with Columbus Commons (where City Center Mall previously stood) and the courthouse. I'm not sure what its official name is now.
Kentucky Fried Chicken
I prefer The Pond of Anaheim over the Honda Center. Very fitting given the fact the Ducks play there!
Older people around here still refer to Madison Boulevard in Madison, AL as "Highway 20".
Around here, Walmart sell a postcard with a picture of AT&T Stadium, which is where the Dallas Cowboys play. Just one problem, it says "Texas Stadium". For those of you not familiar with this area, Texas Stadium, the Dallas Cowboy's old facility, was demolished in 2010.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 26, 2015, 02:33:37 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 26, 2015, 02:27:46 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 26, 2015, 02:09:49 PM–I have been known to give directions by noting things like "turn right where Magruder's used to be, then turn right again at the next stop sign." Sometimes this is because I can't remember what replaced the former business; other times it's simply because that's how I think of a location and I can't be bothered to find out what moved in to replace the one that closed. But I do try to use additional landmarks in case someone doesn't know where Magruder's was (example: "After you pass under the overpass, take the next right turn where Magruder's used to be, then go right again at the next stop sign.").
You sure you're not from Boston?
I listen to Boston, if that counts.
But the sort of thing I described is also very common in Charlottesville. I know people who refer to places using the names of businesses that closed 40+ years ago. No doubt part of this is because it's a university town and it's natural to think of it the way it was when you were in school.
It's a stereotype here, basically "Surely you know where what's-her-name worked at the bakery than went out in the 80s–right past her house, it's catty-cornered."
Quote from: formulanone on February 26, 2015, 03:57:50 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on February 26, 2015, 03:51:05 PM
In Orlando, I'm sure some people still call the Beachline Expwy the "Beeline"
I thought that was a typo for about five years. It's the Beeline.
I had never heard that it changed until now. I think I underestimate the power of tourism in everything Florida does.
All those cities in India that were renamed (Madras, Calcutta, Bombay, Bangalore)- it's not that I'm opposed to using the new names, I just never remember that the names were changed.
Quote from: corco on February 27, 2015, 09:44:51 AM
All those cities in India that were renamed (Madras, Calcutta, Bombay, Bangalore)- it's not that I'm opposed to using the new names, I just never remember that the names were changed.
"Istanbul was Constantinoble, now it's Istanbul not Constantinoble...." - They Might be Giants :-)
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 26, 2015, 03:03:10 PM
MAC machine. Not an ATM. When ATMs were first introduced, the Philly area machines were called MAC machines. The name still sticks in this area.
It might have been you that referred to these before, and from that I assumed it was still a current thing. I remember all ATMs being spoken of as "MAC machines" in New Jersey 25 years ago.
Do not Massachusetts residents still call I-95 and part of I-93 as "Route 128" and prefer not to change with the numbers?
Quote from: NE2 on February 26, 2015, 01:50:51 PM
In before 128.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 27, 2015, 11:05:35 AM
Do not Massachusetts residents still call I-95 and part of I-93 as "Route 128" and prefer not to change with the numbers?
128 does end at I-95's south split at I-93. It is not cosigned south of there with I-93 to MA 3, but just a few seconds ago I was under the assumption that 128 was actually truncated to north of I-95's split at the north end.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 27, 2015, 10:58:32 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 26, 2015, 03:03:10 PM
MAC machine. Not an ATM. When ATMs were first introduced, the Philly area machines were called MAC machines. The name still sticks in this area.
It might have been you that referred to these before, and from that I assumed it was still a current thing. I remember all ATMs being spoken of as "MAC machines" in New Jersey 25 years ago.
I remember ATMs being referred to as "Cashflow machines" in the late 1980s/early 1990s. Very few people used them, too. The name "Cashflow" came about because Sovran Bank was one of the dominant banks in Virginia and they branded their machine as "Cashflow." (They became NationsBank when they merged with C&S and NCNB and they're now Bank of America.)
Quote from: OCGuy81 on February 27, 2015, 10:18:02 AM
Quote from: corco on February 27, 2015, 09:44:51 AM
All those cities in India that were renamed (Madras, Calcutta, Bombay, Bangalore)- it's not that I'm opposed to using the new names, I just never remember that the names were changed.
"Istanbul was Constantinoble, now it's Istanbul not Constantinoble...." - They Might be Giants :-)
that's nobody's business but the Turks.
I still call all of our Shop Rite stores Kleins, because that was the family who ran the original stores before they retired and sold them to Shop Rite. Indeed, the original six stores are legally called "Kleins Shop Rite", but all new expansions are just Shop Rite. I can always tell who the transplants are by what they call the stores ;)
iPhone
Quote from: roadman65 on February 27, 2015, 11:11:15 AM
128 does end at I-95's south split at I-93. It is not cosigned south of there with I-93 to MA 3, but just a few seconds ago I was under the assumption that 128 was actually truncated to north of I-95's split at the north end.
Correct. However, with the exception of a few LGS signs that were installed in Wakefield and Lynnfield as part of private-developer funded mitigation projects, and a couple of ancient BGS signs along Route 9 in Wellesley, the 128 information is provided on stand-alone route marker assemblies only. The majority of white on green LGS or BGS signs along the overlap section do not include the 128 shield - this practice started in the early 1990s at the request of FHWA, as a condition of receiving Federal funding for sign update projects.
But referring to the section of I-93 between Canton and Braintree as "128" does qualify under this thread, as the 128 designation was officially decomissioned from this highway by MassDPW in 1989. Shortly thereafter, the BGS and LGS signs were replaced with new signs replacing the 128 designation with I-93, and the majority of the confirmatory and directional 128 markers (excepting a handful of trailblazer markers at the Braintree end) were removed as well.
If we're doing numbers, as well as names, I still sometimes slip and call I-880 and I-580 by CA 17.
In NASCAR...
- World 600 instead of Coca-Cola 600
- Firecracker 400 instead of Pepsi 400
Before Cinergy Field in Cincinnati was demolished, I still referred to the stadium as Riverfront Stadium.
Oh yeah, to me it is still the Sears Tower in Chicago.
For an instance of using a former name for something that isn't even built yet: the Transbay Tower in San Francisco... which has been officially renamed Salesforce Tower, but I'm not sure anybody calls it that.
Tacky servicemark-sounding names like "Salesforce" or "covermymeds" should never be the official name of a building. Such a name ideally shouldn't be displayed on an office building either, if the building itself does not actually provide that service; use the parent company name instead. The office building next to the Miranova condos in Columbus now has a colorful "covermymeds" sign near the top and I find it very distasteful.
In Omaha, there is the CenturyLink Center, which used to be the Qwest Center. That may also apply to the football stadium in Seattle. Over in Council Bluffs, I still have to remember that it's Harrah's Casino and not Harvey's and the Horseshoe Casino and not Bluffs Run.
There's also too many bars to mention that would fit here.
Quote from: Laura on February 27, 2015, 12:05:01 PM
I still call all of our Shop Rite stores Kleins, because that was the family who ran the original stores before they retired and sold them to Shop Rite. Indeed, the original six stores are legally called "Kleins Shop Rite", but all new expansions are just Shop Rite. I can always tell who the transplants are by what they call the stores ;)
Shop-Rite in Maryland? Lucky you!
Someone owns those stores that isn't Shop-Rite, which is a collective marketing brand owned by Wakefern Foods of Elizabeth and/or Keasbey, New Jersey. Stores are owned by local holding companies that are members of the collective. It's like Ace Hardware or Best Western in this regard.
Quote from: amroad17 on February 27, 2015, 08:58:59 PM
Oh yeah, to me it is still the Sears Tower in Chicago.
Wait, its name was changed? What was it changed to? I have/had no idea. Although, admittedly, I don't really know much about Chicago.
As for things that I refer to by their old name:
-It's still Continental Airlines Arena to me, not the Izod Center (I vaguely remember when it was the Brendan Byrne Arena, but I was not going there for anything back then, so that name never really stuck with me)
-It's still Giants Stadium to me, not whatever it's currently named (the name escapes me at the moment)
-It's still the Garden State Arts Center to me, not PNC Bank Arts Center. Although, in conversation, I just usually refer to it as the arts center. The road used to access said center is also the Parkway, not the Garden State Parkway. I've never heard anyone from NJ refer to it by its full name.
Quote from: signalman on February 28, 2015, 08:30:36 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on February 27, 2015, 08:58:59 PM
Oh yeah, to me it is still the Sears Tower in Chicago.
Wait, its name was changed? What was it changed to? I have/had no idea. Although, admittedly, I don't really know much about Chicago.
Willis Tower for something like ten years. I don't think many people in Chicago uses the new name, either.
Quote-It's still Continental Airlines Arena to me, not the Izod Center (I vaguely remember when it was the Brendan Byrne Arena, but I was not going there for anything back then, so that name never really stuck with me)
Brendan Byrne is the only one that sounds right to me. I never once spoke "Continental Airlines Arena" or "Izod Center." "The Meadowlands" is probably what we said the most, getting the specific meaning from context.
QuoteThe road used to access said center is also the Parkway, not the Garden State Parkway. I've never heard anyone from NJ refer to it by its full name.
Not a former name, but regardless, you have to clarify sometimes in Bergen County. There are two parkways there. "Garden State" is therefore sometimes heard there. However, most common usage is "The Parkway" and "The Palisades."
The new football stadium at the Meadowlands is MetLife Stadium. Giants Stadium was demolished.
I just call it the Meadowlands.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 28, 2015, 10:39:33 AM
Willis Tower for something like ten years. I don't think many people in Chicago uses the new name, either.
Thank you. Now that I see the name, I know that I've heard it before. I don't recall where I had read Willis Tower, but the article certainly didn't specify Chicago, nor did it mention that it was formerly known as the Sears Tower. In any case, thanks for the help.
QuoteNot a former name, but regardless, you have to clarify sometimes in Bergen County. There are two parkways there. "Garden State" is therefore sometimes heard there. However, most common usage is "The Parkway" and "The Palisades."
Makes sense, considering that you lived in Bergen County. Besides clinching roads in Bergen and making several trips to Campmor in Paramus, I never really had any ties in Bergen. I don't have any friends there that I'd visit or talk to. I've always refered to the Palisades Parkway as just that. I never shortened it to just the Palisades (so as to avoid confusion with the namesake rock formation on the NJ side of the Hudson). I have ever heard others call the road just the Palisades, however (full name being Palisades Interstate Parkway).
QuoteThe new football stadium at the Meadowlands is MetLife Stadium. Giants Stadium was demolished.
I just call it the Meadowlands.
Thanks for helping with my earlier brain fart. I knew that Giants Stadium was demolished, but I couldn't think of its replacement. The new stadium is still Giants Satdium to me, in any case. I've also ever refered to it as the Meadowlands.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 27, 2015, 11:15:41 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 27, 2015, 10:58:32 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 26, 2015, 03:03:10 PM
MAC machine. Not an ATM. When ATMs were first introduced, the Philly area machines were called MAC machines. The name still sticks in this area.
It might have been you that referred to these before, and from that I assumed it was still a current thing. I remember all ATMs being spoken of as "MAC machines" in New Jersey 25 years ago.
I remember ATMs being referred to as "Cashflow machines" in the late 1980s/early 1990s. Very few people used them, too. The name "Cashflow" came about because Sovran Bank was one of the dominant banks in Virginia and they branded their machine as "Cashflow." (They became NationsBank when they merged with C&S and NCNB and they're now Bank of America.)
Still call the Izod Center Brendan Byrne Arena. XL, MassMutual, and Dunkin Donuts Centers are the Hartford, Springfield, and Providence Civic Centers respectively. Still call the DCU Center The Worcester Centrum. Both X-Finity Centers in New England are still The Meadows and Great Woods.
Sears Tower. I'm sorry, Willis Tower doesn't do it for me.
The name for this traffic camera at the 4 legged intersection of US 30 & 130 in New Jersey is still the Collingswood Circle, even though the circle was removed in 2008.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi225.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fdd144%2Froadnut%2F89eabc22-b971-4827-b1ec-3f2704d96688.jpg&hash=d60f1f8ff2a95d60d7c15ecdeb19ac130b30d240) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/roadnut/media/89eabc22-b971-4827-b1ec-3f2704d96688.jpg.html)
Quote from: golden eagle on March 01, 2015, 09:36:40 AM
Sears Tower. I'm sorry, Willis Tower doesn't do it for me.
Ironically, Willis sounds less commercial...
Quote from: golden eagle on March 01, 2015, 09:36:40 AM
Sears Tower. I'm sorry, Willis Tower doesn't do it for me.
What you talkin' about? :sombrero:
Quote from: DandyDan on February 28, 2015, 12:53:47 AM
In Omaha, there is the CenturyLink Center, which used to be the Qwest Center.
Bossier City, LA also has a CenturyLink Center...formerly known as the CenturyTel Center, the original name when it was built.
The Mercedes-Benz Superdome in NOLA will always just be known as The Superdome (or the Louisiana Superdome).
In Ruston, LA, I can't seem to stop calling MLK Dr. by the old name Chatham Hwy (LA 146).
I've seen maps online as recently as five years ago refer to Medgar Evers Blvd. in Jackson as Delta Drive. The name change took place in either 1985 or '86.
The Circle Interchange. I guess it was recently renamed to the Jane Byrne Interchange; I had no idea until I listened to WGN recently and heard their traffic reports. They say "Byrne Circle Interchange"
Also, it will forever be the Sears Tower.
In the Quad Cities, the baseball stadium in Davenport and the arena in Moline were both renamed within the past ten years, and I thought I would always call them "John O'Donnell Stadium" and "the MARK", respectively. To my surprise, I've caught myself accidentally calling them by their current names (Modern Woodmen Park or the iWireless Center).
The Circle isn't called the Circle? WBBM will never be the same.
Surprised no one has mentioned the recent (and at least one not-so-recent) re-namings in NYC that most natives don't use.
The not-so-recent, of course, is Avenue of the Americas...a name so resolutely ignored in everyday use that most intersections now carry signage for both Avenue of the Americas and "6 Av."
The Triborough Bridge is now the Robert F. Kennedy Bridge. The Queensborough Bridge (still called the 59th Street Bridge by the real old-timers) is now the Ed Koch Queensborough Bridge. The Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel is now the Hugh L. Carey Tunnel. The West Side Highway (once called the Miller Highway, after Manhattan Borough President Julius Miller, who first proposed it) is officially the Joe DiMaggio Highway. None of these re-namings have caught on.
Some NYC natives still use "East River Drive" as a substitute for the FDR Drive, but I think FDR Drive has pretty much stuck by now.
Crew Stadium
I will sometimes intentionally use Bunyard Tunnel instead of Bobby Hopper Tunnel ;)
Quote from: SidS1045 on March 01, 2015, 10:52:12 PM
Surprised no one has mentioned the recent (and at least one not-so-recent) re-namings in NYC that most natives don't use.
The not-so-recent, of course, is Avenue of the Americas...a name so resolutely ignored in everyday use that most intersections now carry signage for both Avenue of the Americas and "6 Av."
The Triborough Bridge is now the Robert F. Kennedy Bridge. The Queensborough Bridge (still called the 59th Street Bridge by the real old-timers) is now the Ed Koch Queensborough Bridge. The Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel is now the Hugh L. Carey Tunnel. The West Side Highway (once called the Miller Highway, after Manhattan Borough President Julius Miller, who first proposed it) is officially the Joe DiMaggio Highway. None of these re-namings have caught on.
Some NYC natives still use "East River Drive" as a substitute for the FDR Drive, but I think FDR Drive has pretty much stuck by now.
Funny, the "ceremonial" names are so unused that I don't think of their predecessors as "former."
Slightly off course for the topic I laid out, I call a certain building in the Bronx "Yankee Stadium," even though it's an imposter. They at least could have had the guts to bury the name if they were gonna bury the building.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 28, 2015, 10:39:33 AM
Quote from: signalman on February 28, 2015, 08:30:36 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on February 27, 2015, 08:58:59 PM
Oh yeah, to me it is still the Sears Tower in Chicago.
Wait, its name was changed? What was it changed to? I have/had no idea. Although, admittedly, I don't really know much about Chicago.
Willis Tower for something like ten years. I don't think many people in Chicago uses the new name, either.
Only in the media. Otherwise, it's still the
Sears Tower to the locals. Ditto for Comiskey Park (aka US Cellular Field).
Others:
Calumet Expressway (Bishop Ford Freeway)
Northwest Tollway (Jane Addams Tollway)
Field's (muck Facy's)
Circle Interchange (aka The Circle - Jane Byrne Interchange)
Of course, there's things that have an original name, but no one uses them:
The Bean (formally, "Cloud Gate")
Quote from: Brandon on March 04, 2015, 09:51:05 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 28, 2015, 10:39:33 AM
Quote from: signalman on February 28, 2015, 08:30:36 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on February 27, 2015, 08:58:59 PM
Oh yeah, to me it is still the Sears Tower in Chicago.
Wait, its name was changed? What was it changed to? I have/had no idea. Although, admittedly, I don't really know much about Chicago.
Willis Tower for something like ten years. I don't think many people in Chicago uses the new name, either.
Only in the media. Otherwise, it's still the Sears Tower to the locals. Ditto for Comiskey Park (aka US Cellular Field).
Others:
Calumet Expressway (Bishop Ford Freeway)
Northwest Tollway (Jane Addams Tollway)
Field's (muck Facy's)
Circle Interchange (aka The Circle - Jane Byrne Interchange)
Of course, there's things that have an original name, but no one uses them:
The Bean (formally, "Cloud Gate")
The United Center (where the Bulls and Blackhawks play) is the New Chicago Stadium to me, as it was built across the street from the old Stadium. Too bad it couldn't get the same treatment as Comiskey Park once did when it was first built.
Pan Am Building in NYC. Its now the Met Life Building.
We Rhode Islanders do this all the time (the "where Almacs used to be" syndrome) that we find it natural. This (http://goo.gl/maps/zwhsx), for example, is still the Little Red Bridge - even though it's neither little nor red. The Dunkin' Donuts Center is still the Civic Center, never the "Dunk". And that's scratching the surface.
The PNC Arts Center will always be the Garden State Arts Center to me.
Newark Liberty Airport will always be Newark Airport.
The names of the NYC crossings will always be to me the original names. Not because of my personal feelings of those its now named for, but out of convenience. In fact I think most New Yorkers will always refer to the Ed Koch Bridge as the 59th Street Bridge.
Also many crossings in NYC always will also not use the full name with some crossings. Midtown Tunnel instead of its proper name as the Queens- Midtown Tunnel or the Battery Tunnel even when it was officially the Brooklyn- Battery Tunnel are always used in proper talk. Even the NYCDOT signs the LIE WB control city as "Midtown Tunnel" omitting the "Queens" part.
In New Jersey, the Cape May- Lewes Ferry is often referred to as just the "Cape May Ferry" and the Burlington- Bristol Bridge is called the "Bristol Bridge" and the Tacony-Palmyra Bridge is, I think, just called the "Tacony Bridge." Jeff might shed some light on that last one, as my assumption is signs along I-295 and US 130 for NJ 73 N Bound say that particular name.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 04, 2015, 01:26:54 PM
...the Tacony-Palmyra Bridge is, I think, just called the "Tacony Bridge." Jeff might shed some light on that last one, as my assumption is signs along I-295 and US 130 for NJ 73 N Bound say that particular name.
Palmyra doesn't get too much loving from NJ sign makers. 295 & 130 signage all use 'Tacony Bridge' or 'Tacony Br'.
The sign on 73 lists the town of Palmyra, then the Tacony Br. http://goo.gl/maps/ntPzL
But then the next sign ignores the town...http://goo.gl/maps/e50D6
And further down...well, you're on your own... http://goo.gl/maps/HN6Tq
"Washington National Airport", rather than "Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport"
Quote from: algorerhythms on March 04, 2015, 07:03:09 PM
"Washington National Airport", rather than "Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport"
Do you really do that *without* meaning to?
NY: MTA Bridges and Tunnels absorbed the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority decades ago, but is still commonly known as the TBTA.
Millenium station in Chicago (Metra) still referred to as Randolph and Water.
Standiford Field instead of Louisville International Airport.
Quote from: kphoger on February 26, 2015, 04:38:18 PM
The artist once again known as Prince
That would be "The artist formerly known as "the artist formerly known as Prince"".
Quote from: NE2 on March 04, 2015, 07:10:48 PM
Quote from: algorerhythms on March 04, 2015, 07:03:09 PM
"Washington National Airport", rather than "Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport"
Do you really do that *without* meaning to?
I make a point of calling it Reagan Airport just to annoy people who think the word "National" was meant in the sense of "the national airport," like the National Zoo or the National Gallery of Art or the like.
Quote from: NE2 on March 04, 2015, 07:10:48 PM
Quote from: algorerhythms on March 04, 2015, 07:03:09 PM
"Washington National Airport", rather than "Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport"
Do you really do that *without* meaning to?
What's your point? Most people simply call it National without a second thought.
I guess the implication I got from the thread title is that you would use the new name if you remembered to, but you slip up and use the old name.
Well, the thread has wandered around. I meant any former name people use without going out of one's way to do so, like the new name never fully registered in your head even if every sign with it changed.
For example, it took a long time people who were here at the height of Star Market to adapt fully to saying "Shaw's" when the latter absorbed most of the stores with the Star brand (which sort of happened one by one over a decade or so).
It took me years to stop thinking "Star Market," and then when I finally got my head around "Shaw's," most of them around me started changing back to Star Market. Now I just waffle back and forth. It's not a good idea to confuse the consumer like this.
Quote from: SSOWorld on March 04, 2015, 08:18:58 PM
Millenium station in Chicago (Metra) still referred to as Randolph and Water.
Wait, what? This is getting out of hand. Is anything in downtown Chicago still named what I remember it being named? Is that big lake still named Michigan?
In Wichita we get to trip ourselves up trying to remember to say "Eisenhower Airport" instead of "Wichita Mid-Continent."
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Quote from: kphoger on February 26, 2015, 04:38:18 PM
The artist once again known as Prince
That would be "The artist formerly known as "the artist formerly known as Prince"".
I abbreviate that as TAFKA TAFKA Prince. It's easier to say.
How about John Cougar Mellencamp? I think many people slip up and use the Cougar name still, not to be rude, but out of habit.
However speaking of Prince, many people have become sort of weary too, that John Mellencamp changed his name three times since his first album. He was John Cougar at conception, then he added on his real last name to it, and the last time he just dropped the Cougar to be his real name. So many may say the whole Cougar thing just out of spite.
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Quote from: sdmichael on March 04, 2015, 09:21:30 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 26, 2015, 04:38:18 PM
The artist once again known as Prince
That would be "The artist formerly known as "the artist formerly known as Prince"".
I abbreviate that as TAFKA TAFKA Prince. It's easier to say.
He went back to Prince after a media member kept calling him TAFKAP, then Taffy for short.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 05, 2015, 02:36:45 AM
How about John Cougar Mellencamp? I think many people slip up and use the Cougar name still, not to be rude, but out of habit.
However speaking of Prince, many people have become sort of weary too, that John Mellencamp changed his name three times since his first album. He was John Cougar at conception, then he added on his real last name to it, and the last time he just dropped the Cougar to be his real name. So many may say the whole Cougar thing just out of spite.
John Fill-in-the-Blank.
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 04, 2015, 11:53:56 PM
In Wichita we get to trip ourselves up trying to remember to say "Eisenhower Airport" instead of "Wichita Mid-Continent."
This is literally the first time I had heard of the name change. But, looking into it, I gather the name is only paper thus far. We should change it to IATA=IKE while we're at it!
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 05, 2015, 09:06:24 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 05, 2015, 02:36:45 AM
How about John Cougar Mellencamp? I think many people slip up and use the Cougar name still, not to be rude, but out of habit.
However speaking of Prince, many people have become sort of weary too, that John Mellencamp changed his name three times since his first album. He was John Cougar at conception, then he added on his real last name to it, and the last time he just dropped the Cougar to be his real name. So many may say the whole Cougar thing just out of spite.
John Fill-in-the-Blank.
I refer to him as John Cougar Mellencamp because I really don't feel like trying to remember what he changed it to, plus everyone knows who I'm talking about that way. In fact, since reading the last several posts, a call came in at work and I promptly forgot the history of his name; I am
not going to re-read it to find out; I'm going to keep referring to him as John Cougar Mellencamp.
Quote from: kphoger on March 05, 2015, 02:04:00 PMThis is literally the first time I had heard of the name change. But, looking into it, I gather the name is only paper thus far. We should change it to IATA=IKE while we're at it!
It was talked about last year (covered fairly heavily in the Wichita
Eagle--not sure about the local TV stations since I don't watch TV news). The rationale is that "Mid-Continent" is an early 1970's hand-me-down from Kansas City, whose passenger airport was the original Mid-Continent and still has the MCI airport code.
Personally, I kind of liked the fact that we had our airport named after our broad geographical location rather than yet another dead President (even one as good as Eisenhower), but then people like me never get labelled boosters.
The signs still say "Mid-Continent" (the cost to change them over was actually part of the airport renaming controversy), but the RWIS camera labels have been updated to reflect the fact that the US 54 airport connector is now "Ike Parkway":
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Figures. We don't have cable or subscribe to a newspaper. Still, though, nobody at work or church or anywhere has mentioned it to me.
Reminded of this by the Hess-Speedway thread. I still want to call some Speedway stores SuperAmerica because that's what they were before Speedway bought them out. Sometimes I still even call it SaveMart, because that's what they were before they became SuperAmerica.
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Quote from: 1995hoo on March 05, 2015, 09:06:24 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 05, 2015, 02:36:45 AM
How about John Cougar Mellencamp? I think many people slip up and use the Cougar name still, not to be rude, but out of habit.
However speaking of Prince, many people have become sort of weary too, that John Mellencamp changed his name three times since his first album. He was John Cougar at conception, then he added on his real last name to it, and the last time he just dropped the Cougar to be his real name. So many may say the whole Cougar thing just out of spite.
John Fill-in-the-Blank.
I refer to him as John Cougar Mellencamp because I really don't feel like trying to remember what he changed it to, plus everyone knows who I'm talking about that way. In fact, since reading the last several posts, a call came in at work and I promptly forgot the history of his name; I am not going to re-read it to find out; I'm going to keep referring to him as John Cougar Mellencamp.
I just call him "Mellencamp" without either of the other two words, though that's not unique to him because I refer to Springsteen, Buffett, and McCartney the same way (though the same principle doesn't apply to everyone; Billy Joel or Mark Knopfler would be two examples where I don't use just the last name).
Knopfler wouldn't raise too many eyebrows, but I hope you wouldn't expect me to know who you're talking about by using just the name Joel.
With Wham and George Michael I do the opposite. I always refer to a Wham song as being sung by George Michael.
I guess people do the same for Phil Collins with Genesis. There are some that think that In Too Deep by Genesis is a Phil Collins song considering that most solo PC songs sound just like Genesis with the instruments. I Don't Care Anymore has the same keyboard used as Man On The Corner. The former is PC and the latter is the trio. Plus out of habit people consider the two synonymous because Phil Collins, of course is the vocalist of Genesis anyway.
Oh Sand Lake Hospital still slips out as that is the former name for present day Dr. P Phillips Hospital in Orlando.
I-43 bridge in Green Bay - I use Tower Drive Bridge instead of its replacement moniker of (Leo) Frigo Bridge.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 06, 2015, 12:39:05 AM
With Wham and George Michael I do the opposite. I always refer to a Wham song as being sung by George Michael.
George who? Oh, you mean that bloke who sang in Wham! with Andrew Ridgeley.
I still refer to the two Busch Gardens as "The Old Country" (Europe in Williamsburg, VA) and "The Dark Continent" (Africa in Tampa).
As far as arenas and stadiums...
- before being imploded, the RCA Dome was always the Hoosier Dome to me
- I still call the Rogers Centre the Skydome
- Market Square Arena instead of whatever it is called now (or did the Pacers move to a new arena?)
- Rosemont Horizon instead of Allstate Arena
Market Square Arena has been gone since 1999 and the site was parking lots up to this year where the land's finally being developed for condos and a corporate headquarters. The new arena is Bankers Life Fieldhouse but used to be called Conseco Fieldhouse, I bet there are still some people who call it that.
Quote from: corco on February 27, 2015, 09:44:51 AM
All those cities in India that were renamed (Madras, Calcutta, Bombay, Bangalore)- it's not that I'm opposed to using the new names, I just never remember that the names were changed.
Sort of like China.. Peping--->Peking--->Being.. The powers that be changed the official English translation
Quote from: OCGuy81 on February 27, 2015, 10:18:02 AM
Quote from: corco on February 27, 2015, 09:44:51 AM
All those cities in India that were renamed (Madras, Calcutta, Bombay, Bangalore)- it's not that I'm opposed to using the new names, I just never remember that the names were changed.
"Istanbul was Constantinoble, now it's Istanbul not Constantinoble...." - They Might be Giants :-)
That's nobodys business but the Turks.. TMBG covered a song from the 1940s. Not sure of the original artist
Quote from: amroad17 on March 06, 2015, 07:22:34 PM
- Rosemont Horizon instead of Allstate Arena
I've done this quite often, but..
I intentionally still call it the O'Hare Expo Center, not the Donald E. Stephens Convention Center. Why would I want to use a mobbed up mayor's name?
Quote from: amroad17 on March 06, 2015, 07:22:34 PM
- Rosemont Horizon instead of Allstate Arena
Wow, I didn't know they had changed the name. In today's world, I'm not particularly surprised, though.
Man I remember when the roof collapsed when they were building it. I saw a ton of concerts there back in the late 80's and everytime I stepped inside there I would think of the roof collapse during construction-never stopped me from going though.
Quote from: jwolfer on March 07, 2015, 12:17:05 AMSort of like China.. Peping--->Peking--->Being.. The powers that be changed the official English translation
Cape Cabo Verde being the one that catches me out. Also I tend to spell Cote d'Ivoire beginning with an I, and Myanmar beginning with a B if doing something like a sporcle quiz - mostly as it's easier to spell (though I can do Myanmar without thinking now).
I keep calling the League Cup (English soccer competition) the Carling Cup, which was the early 00s. Here in the 10s, it's the Capital One Cup. Sponsorship deals last a while, but I keep accidentally getting it wrong.
Also 'The Dome' rather than the O2, though that's naming the building, not the venue.
St James' Park (Newcastle FC stadium) had a sponsorship deal (briefly becoming the Sports Direct Arena). However so much vandalism happened that the current company that owns the naming rights chooses not to use them. Also, all the Media coverage of games were passive aggressive about the change in the first week or two, but then just called it St James' Park after that.
Quote from: corco on February 27, 2015, 09:44:51 AMAll those cities in India that were renamed (Madras, Calcutta, Bombay, Bangalore)- it's not that I'm opposed to using the new names, I just never remember that the names were changed.
Of these four, the only one for which the new name does not appear almost homonymic to a spelling pronouncer like me is Madras (Chennai). For the other three the deanglicization seems lighter and less politically loaded than, say, the question of whether to call a certain county in Northern Ireland by a name that has four syllables instead of two.
In spite of spending a month in Vienna, I never felt seriously tempted to call cities in the Slavic parts of the former Austria-Hungary (which were mostly under the Austrian part of the dual monarchy) by their German names (it is Bratislava to me, not Pressburg). It really was not idiomatic at all to call them by German exonyms even in German-speaking contexts, such as the ÖBB railway timetable search engine.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on February 27, 2015, 10:18:02 AM"Istanbul was Constantinople, now it's Istanbul not Constantinople...."
It would be strange to call the former capital of Ottoman Turkey anything but Istanbul; "Constantinople" is really idiomatic only in historical contexts, such as when the Byzantine Empire is being discussed.
More marginal cases are cities in Spain which gave their English exonyms to battles in the Peninsular Campaign (part of the Napoleonic Wars). As an example, I don't think anything but A Coruña would be idiomatic in Spain today (even La Coruña would be somewhat politically loaded), but you can probably go to England and dig up an old fossil that calls it Corunna by default.
This sometimes happens with radio and TV station call letters. Even though Channel 8 in Des Moines has been KCCI for more than 40 years, some older folks still call it by its original call letters (KRNT-TV).
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 07, 2015, 10:16:05 AMwhether to call a certain county in Northern Ireland by a name that has four syllables instead of two.
The city that can be called either of the same two things is more controversial. Tends to be, in order to tread on the least toes, two-syllables for the city and four for the county. Unless, of course, you go down the six syllable route...
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Quote from: 1995hoo on March 05, 2015, 09:06:24 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 05, 2015, 02:36:45 AM
How about John Cougar Mellencamp? I think many people slip up and use the Cougar name still, not to be rude, but out of habit.
However speaking of Prince, many people have become sort of weary too, that John Mellencamp changed his name three times since his first album. He was John Cougar at conception, then he added on his real last name to it, and the last time he just dropped the Cougar to be his real name. So many may say the whole Cougar thing just out of spite.
John Fill-in-the-Blank.
I refer to him as John Cougar Mellencamp because I really don't feel like trying to remember what he changed it to, plus everyone knows who I'm talking about that way. In fact, since reading the last several posts, a call came in at work and I promptly forgot the history of his name; I am not going to re-read it to find out; I'm going to keep referring to him as John Cougar Mellencamp.
I just call him "Mellencamp" without either of the other two words, though that's not unique to him because I refer to Springsteen, Buffett, and McCartney the same way (though the same principle doesn't apply to everyone; Billy Joel or Mark Knopfler would be two examples where I don't use just the last name).
I call him John Mellencamp because that is the name he always wanted to go by. John Cougar was a record company creation and he hated it. So I don't have a problem with John going back to the name he always wanted to be.
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I never say Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali) but always say Cat Stevens (Yusuf Islam - I had to look it up)
Anyone still calling St. Petersburg (in Russia, not the city in Florida) Leningrad? :) Granted, it was originally St. Petersburg prior to 1917.
Intentional or not, I still refer to the town in MA as Manchester as opposed to the current Manchester-By-The-Sea.
Quote from: PHLBOS on March 09, 2015, 09:15:23 AM
Anyone still calling St. Petersburg (in Russia, not the city in Florida) Leningrad? :) Granted, it was originally St. Petersburg prior to 1917.
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The sign at the entrance to the harbor does (I suppose from my point of view when I took this it was the "exit from the harbor" since we were leaving):
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I still have the tendency to occasionally refer to our local department store as "Hudson's." even though the name changed to Marshall Field's in 2001 (and later, Macy's, after the Federated/May merger).
With the recent re-branding of Hess stations to Speedway, this might be a repeat of when Amoco stations were renamed BP. All of the old-timers I know refer to the stations by their former name instead of the ones that replaced them.
Old timers from the early Baby Boomers and before do not like change. Even my dad never stopped calling Route 3 in NJ "S3" when he spoke.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 26, 2015, 02:27:46 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 26, 2015, 02:09:49 PM—"turn rOT where MagrudAHHH's used to be, then turn rOT again at the next stop sign."
You sure you're not from Boston?
Quote from: Henry on March 09, 2015, 12:39:19 PM
With the recent re-branding of Hess stations to Speedway, this might be a repeat of when Amoco stations were renamed BP. All of the old-timers I know refer to the stations by their former name instead of the ones that replaced them.
I know some who still referred Amoco as its former name of Standard.
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Quote from: Henry on March 09, 2015, 12:39:19 PM
With the recent re-branding of Hess stations to Speedway, this might be a repeat of when Amoco stations were renamed BP. All of the old-timers I know refer to the stations by their former name instead of the ones that replaced them.
I know some who still referred Amoco as its former name of Standard.
Are there still Standard stations? I haven't seen one in 20 years, but I don't live in their territory.
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 07, 2015, 10:16:05 AM
It would be strange to call the former capital of Ottoman Turkey anything but Istanbul; "Constantinople" is really idiomatic only in historical contexts, such as when the Byzantine Empire is being discussed.
Although, oddly enough, "Istanbul" is simply a Turkish corruption of "Constantinople."
Almost nobody calls the Ivory Coast "Côte d'Ivoire," as its government insists they should.
Much closer to home, I don't think anyone in the Mid-South who's not on the payroll of the University of Memphis calls it anything other than "Memphis State" (or, sarcastically, "Tiger High") unless they've been corrected first.
Quote from: PHLBOS on February 26, 2015, 02:19:42 PM
I've still occasionally refer to Martin Luther King Dr. in Philly as West River Drive.
It took me a few years to stop referring to Temple University's Liacouras Center as the Apollo Arena (its original name).
I've still referred the AT&T Station along SEPTA's Broad Street Line as Pattison.
Recently, I've referred to Jefferson Station along SEPTA's Regional Rail as Market East; granted, that name change happened only a few months back.
Many people still refer to US Airways as USAir despite the fact that the name change occurred back in 1997. Such won't matter too much longer since it will be adopting the American Airlines name courtesy of the recent merger.
Also, East River Drive becoming Kelly Drive, Columbia Avenue becoming Cecil B. Moore Avenue and Columbus Blvd. vs Delaware Avenue.
AT&T Station? Oh God, no; it's Pattison-that's what they named it when they built the Broad Street Extension and that's what it is.
Jefferson Station? Hell, if you're gonna go that route just name it back to what it was...Reading Terminal!
New England Medical (station and hospital), never Tufts Medical Center.
Anyone in Eastern Mass. remember "State/Citizen's Bank," the name no one ever, ever spoke?
Quote from: DeaconG on March 09, 2015, 08:41:20 PMAlso, East River Drive becoming Kelly Drive, Columbia Avenue becoming Cecil B. Moore Avenue
Those name changes took place
long before I set foot in the Delaware Valley. You forgot about JFK Blvd. originally being named Pennsylvania Blvd.
Quote from: DeaconG on March 09, 2015, 08:41:20 PMColumbus Blvd. vs Delaware Avenue.
Not all of Delaware Ave. changed to Columbus Blvd.; just the stretch south of Spring Garden St. IIRC, the name change took place a year or two after I-95 in that area got then-brand-new BGS'; all
Delware Ave. references on the Exit (then 16/now 20) BGS' got
Columbus Blvd. masks.
Quote from: DeaconG on March 09, 2015, 08:41:20 PMAT&T Station? Oh God, no; it's Pattison-that's what they named it when they built the Broad Street Extension and that's what it is.
I agree and stated such earlier. There's
nothing even AT&T in the area. Money given to SEPTA from AT&T was what motivated the name change.
Quote from: DeaconG on March 09, 2015, 08:41:20 PMJefferson Station? Hell, if you're gonna go that route just name it back to what it was...Reading Terminal!
SEPTA can get alot more money from Thomas Jefferson University Hospital naming its station after it than from the Reading Terminal Market. Remember, the Reading Railroad went bankrupt prior to it becoming part of the SEPTA system so there's no money to be had for such renaming. Again, I don't fully agree with the current concept; but that's reality (for better/for worse). At least the university/hospital is within walking distance from the station; so the name change has
some level of logic beyond just marketing & money.
I know at least one person that still refers to SEPTA's Regional Rail lines by their now-defunct route numbers (R1, R2, R3, R5, R6, R7 & R8). Whether it's by accidental or intentional is not fully known.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on March 09, 2015, 09:32:47 PM
New England Medical (station and hospital), never Tufts Medical Center.
Anyone in Eastern Mass. remember "State/Citizen's Bank," the name no one ever, ever spoke?
I'm assuming the latter referring to the T's Blue/Orange Line station. IIRC, didn't the station revert back to its original
State name once Citizen's Bank was no longer paying the MBTA for use of its name?
Quote from: english si on March 07, 2015, 11:06:26 AMThe city that can be called either of the same two things is more controversial. Tends to be, in order to tread on the least toes, two-syllables for the city and four for the county. Unless, of course, you go down the six syllable route...
Yup; I misspoke. My understanding (which may not be completely in date) is that the four-syllable pronunciation for the city is what you use if you are very Orange and don't care who knows it.
How can you keep up with name changes these days anyhow? Look at the amphitheater near Tampa adjacent to the FL State Fairgrounds. In just a matter of ten years it went from the Ford Amphitheater to the Ask Gary Amphitheater and now some new name ( I cannot remember what it is now nor do I even care) as I saw when I was in Tampa a few weeks ago.
I can see why some are reluctant to go along with the change, especially naming rights in sports venues which are ever so popular as the demolition of stadiums and coliseums just to please the teams as tradition is out the window. Go Boston Red Sox for keeping Fenway still standing after 100 years and saying FU to change like every other sports teams have not been saying lately. Ugh, it makes me sick that Orlando builds a brand new Arena to tear it down not even a quarter century later to build another new one.
True some may say old names for spite of modern change, but still when names change like underwear how can you get used to all of it sometimes? You may slip up and call it one name ago because the next name came along within the period of adjustment like the amphitheater in Tampa.
Houston Oilers
Quote from: roadman65 on March 10, 2015, 11:08:26 AM
How can you keep up with name changes these days anyhow? Look at the amphitheater near Tampa adjacent to the FL State Fairgrounds. In just a matter of ten years it went from the Ford Amphitheater to the Ask Gary Amphitheater and now some new name ( I cannot remember what it is now nor do I even care) as I saw when I was in Tampa a few weeks ago.
That's nothing, in a 23-year period; the sports arena home to the Philadelphia Flyers and 76ers originally opened as the Core-States Center. It would later become the First Union Center (aka FU Center) then the Wachovia Center and, more recently, the Wells-Fargo Center. The name changes were due to, you guessed it, bank mergers.
I think we referred to our dial-up service as Prodigy through several name changes. One of the later names was AT&T Yahoo! Dial, which I thought sounded clumsy.
Quote from: PHLBOS on March 10, 2015, 01:46:24 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 10, 2015, 11:08:26 AM
How can you keep up with name changes these days anyhow? Look at the amphitheater near Tampa adjacent to the FL State Fairgrounds. In just a matter of ten years it went from the Ford Amphitheater to the Ask Gary Amphitheater and now some new name ( I cannot remember what it is now nor do I even care) as I saw when I was in Tampa a few weeks ago.
That's nothing, in a 23-year period; the sports arena home to the Philadelphia Flyers and 76ers originally opened as the Core-States Center. It would later become the First Union Center (aka FU Center) then the Wachovia Center and, more recently, the Wells-Fargo Center. The name changes were due to, you guessed it, bank mergers.
I still call it the FU Center because that name seems like the perfect Philadelphia name!
Quote from: PHLBOS on March 10, 2015, 01:46:24 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 10, 2015, 11:08:26 AM
How can you keep up with name changes these days anyhow? Look at the amphitheater near Tampa adjacent to the FL State Fairgrounds. In just a matter of ten years it went from the Ford Amphitheater to the Ask Gary Amphitheater and now some new name ( I cannot remember what it is now nor do I even care) as I saw when I was in Tampa a few weeks ago.
That's nothing, in a 23-year period; the sports arena home to the Philadelphia Flyers and 76ers originally opened as the Core-States Center. It would later become the First Union Center (aka FU Center) then the Wachovia Center and, more recently, the Wells-Fargo Center. The name changes were due to, you guessed it, bank mergers.
For the same reason, the Boston Garden, which everyone called "The Garden," was replaced by a building named over less than 20 years the Shawmut Center (never signed), FleetCenter, TD BankNorth Garden, and now TD Garden. Everyone calls it "The Garden."
I keep wanting my wife's initials to be CML, even though her last name hasn't been Lind since we got married in 2006.
Quote from: kphoger on March 10, 2015, 11:04:43 PM
I keep wanting my wife's initials to be CML, even though her last name hasn't been Lind since we got married in 2006.
Interesting point. Now that I think about it, I might want to informally continue to use my current initials even after my last name changes due to marriage (hypothetically), partly because they are the same as my dad's initials (with a "2" appended for that reason).
Quote from: tdindy88 on March 06, 2015, 07:46:48 PM
Market Square Arena has been gone since 1999 and the site was parking lots up to this year where the land's finally being developed for condos and a corporate headquarters. The new arena is Bankers Life Fieldhouse but used to be called Conseco Fieldhouse, I bet there are still some people who call it that.
We just call it "the fieldhouse" in my household. Perhaps that's harkens back to the pre-Conseco days when it was known simply as Indiana Fieldhouse.
And now for some others I just can't seem to stop using...
US 231 south of Lafayette will always be IND 43 for me; likewise US 231 north of Montmorenci is IND 53.
Also, Klipsch Music Center (or whatever-the-heck it's called now) has been and always will be "Deer Creek". For me, that one will never change. (Unless it's replaced by a subdivision someday.)
Several of us at work use terms that no longer exist in the computer programs that use the functions. For example, there is a signal hit we send to cable boxes called "Initialize/Reboot" or something similar, and its code is I2. Several of us still call it a Lukewarm because that used to be its long description. It throws newer people off, because nowhere on the screen is there the word Lukewarm.
Similarly, our parent cable company's dispatch department used to be called OSC, but they changed their name to Comm Center a few years ago. Here at the Wichita location, they kept a jar for quarters: every time someone was caught using the old name, they had to put in a quarter, then eventually they spent the money on donuts or something. Anyway, most of us in my office still call it OSC. New technicians get confused when we give them the number to call OSC, they dial the number, and then none of the menu options is for OSC.
Quote from: Henry on March 09, 2015, 12:39:19 PM
With the recent re-branding of Hess stations to Speedway, this might be a repeat of when Amoco stations were renamed BP. All of the old-timers I know refer to the stations by their former name instead of the ones that replaced them.
And Accel to Circle K over in my area
I refuse to call the Sears Tower anything else. Also I really try to make a point of calling stadiums by their original names if they had one pre-sponsorship.
As for roads I use a lot of old alignments rather than the current ones. Examples would be; CA60 vs me calling it Old US 60, Mohave 10/AZ66 vs Old US 66, ect, ect, ect.
Entertainment Venues: Still call the XL Center in Hartford and the MassMutual Center in Springfield the <city> Civic Center, the DCU Center in Worcester The Centrum, the Izod Center the Brendan Byrne Arena, the XFinity Theater in Hartford The Meadows, the Comcast Theater in Mansfield, MA Great Woods, and Six Flags New England Riverside Park.
Utilities: Eversource as CL&P, Frontier as SNET, Verizon as Bell Atlantic.
Occasionally still tempted to call Macy's Filene's or G Fox. My grandmother used to call Sears by its proper name but in a conglomerated form: Searobuck
I've weaned myself from "Riverside Park," if only because of how transformed the park was after Six Flags took over. In its later years, Riverside could not be described as anything other than a complete dump.
Quote from: Rothman on March 21, 2016, 12:17:54 PM
I've weaned myself from "Riverside Park," if only because of how transformed the park was after Six Flags took over. In its later years, Riverside could not be described as anything other than a complete dump.
I had a certain affection for Riverside. It was completely unglamorous, and to me there was a certain charm in that. I saw the Ramones play there, and a rinky-dink, run down amusement park seemed to be the ideal setting for them.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on March 21, 2016, 03:21:34 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 21, 2016, 12:17:54 PM
I've weaned myself from "Riverside Park," if only because of how transformed the park was after Six Flags took over. In its later years, Riverside could not be described as anything other than a complete dump.
I had a certain affection for Riverside. It was completely unglamorous, and to me there was a certain charm in that. I saw the Ramones play there, and a rinky-dink, run down amusement park seemed to be the ideal setting for them.
I contributed to how unglamorous it was once: Vomited in front of one of the food courts after riding the Rotor.
Bruce Jenner. :bigass:
A hospital near me recently merged with others and has a new name (Inspiria). Everyone calls it by the old name (Underwood Memorial). Even the nurses and everyone inside uses the old name. Recently my wife was in there for something and overheard a conversation. The person asked where he was. The nurse responded with the hospital's old name.
My mom is apparently the only one that insists on using the new name!
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 21, 2016, 11:18:11 AM
I refuse to call the Sears Tower anything else. Also I really try to make a point of calling stadiums by their original names if they had one pre-sponsorship.
As for roads I use a lot of old alignments rather than the current ones. Examples would be; CA60 vs me calling it Old US 60, Mohave 10/AZ66 vs Old US 66, ect, ect, ect.
I would say you are in the wrong thread, but I doubt there is a "Former names you use and mean to" thread.
I still call the DC metro stations pre renaming by their former name (for example - U Street I still call U Street / African American Civil War Memorial / Cardozo).
Same for NYC - I refuse to know that the IRT 1 line was changed to the new South Ferry station and I still call World Trade Center as only that and not Chambers Street.
I also still refuse to acknowledge the M being moved to IND 6th Avenue from BMT Nassau Avenue line. I still acknowledge the V and W line, as well as the R40 rolling stock.
Quote from: hbelkins on March 21, 2016, 03:35:41 PM
Bruce Jenner. :bigass:
"Former names you use without meaning to" ...
I've never meant to use that name, or the new one, for that matter ...
Old 50 instead of Blue Parkway/MO 350.
Non-highway, Rite Aid's still K&B to me, even decades after they bought it.
Quote from: noelbotevera on March 21, 2016, 04:34:08 PM
I still call the DC metro stations pre renaming by their former name (for example - U Street I still call U Street / African American Civil War Memorial / Cardozo).
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:-D :-D :-D :-D
Its original name when it opened was U Street/Cardozo. The memorial came along later. I don't know anyone who's ever used the long name you mention–everyone's always called it just plain U Street.
The Union Station stop was originally Union Station—Visitor Center, named for the now long-defunct National Visitors' Center. Various other ones have been renamed in various ways over the years, some of them extended and then re-truncated (Vienna is a good example of that).
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 21, 2016, 09:18:57 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on March 21, 2016, 04:34:08 PM
I still call the DC metro stations pre renaming by their former name (for example - U Street I still call U Street / African American Civil War Memorial / Cardozo).
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:-D :-D :-D :-D
Its original name when it opened was U Street/Cardozo. The memorial came along later. I don't know anyone who's ever used the long name you mention–everyone's always called it just plain U Street.
He's allegedly 11 years old. I'm with you on this, though.
I still call it Baltimore Arena instead of 1st Mariner or what it is now, Royal Farms Arena.
Quote from: Rothman on March 22, 2016, 12:12:04 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 21, 2016, 09:18:57 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on March 21, 2016, 04:34:08 PM
I still call the DC metro stations pre renaming by their former name (for example - U Street I still call U Street / African American Civil War Memorial / Cardozo).
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:-D :-D :-D :-D
Its original name when it opened was U Street/Cardozo. The memorial came along later. I don't know anyone who's ever used the long name you mention–everyone's always called it just plain U Street.
He's allegedly 11 years old. I'm with you on this, though.
Heh. I should have mentioned that even the train operators (when you can understand them at all, that is) generally don't use the long names. Orange Line operators pretty much always said "Orange Line to Vienna" regardless of the stop having technically been called the absurd "Vienna/Fairfax—GMU" for a long time (never mind that GMU, especially, is several miles away on the far side of Fairfax....under that naming theory, why not add "Seattle" to the Reagan Airport stop since you can fly there nonstop?). In a less extreme example, most mornings my commute takes me to Foggy Bottom, which has always been named "Foggy Bottom—GWU." Most train operators omit the "GWU," though a few do say "George Washington University."
I have not paid enough attention to the automated announcements on the new 7000-series trains to have noticed what they say, though I have noticed the automated announcements tend to get cut off when the train operator hits the button to close the doors. I especially noted this the week before last when I went over to the ballpark: I wanted to hear how the automated announcements pronounce "L'Enfant Plaza" since the train operators are notorious for saying it as "LaFont Plaza." I didn't get to find out because the operator cut off the announcements every time.
Returning to old names for places, last night someone asked me about Mont-Tremblant, the ski resort in Quebec (technically the resort is now just plain "Tremblant," so I guess it's another example of this since I never omit the "Mont-" from the name). I made multiple references to the nearby town of St-Jovite even though it hasn't existed as an independent municipality since 2002. I'll always call it St-Jovite. Among other reasons, it helps distinguish between the village of Mont-Tremblant, the resort that most people now think of as the village, and the town down on the Trans-Canada Highway. But of course this is an example of a place I intentionally call by its old name.
Quote from: kj3400 on March 22, 2016, 05:07:33 AM
I still call it Baltimore Arena instead of 1st Mariner or what it is now, Royal Farms Arena.
I call it the Baltimore Civic Center, which was its pre-1986 name.
I do not think that people will ever refer to the new names of NYC's East River Crossings. Heck everyone in the Big Apple do not even say the full name of both tunnels. Its either the Midtown Tunnel or the Battery Tunnel. Plus when I lived in North Jersey I never even heard the name Queensboro used for the bridge as it was always the "59th Street Bridge" especially in traffic reports.
1995hoo reminded me of another one. I still call Reagan Airport, National Airport, unless I'm thinking about it. I bet Reagan would be unhappy to be memorialized in a facility serving DC.
Quote from: kkt on March 22, 2016, 09:54:37 AM
1995hoo reminded me of another one. I still call Reagan Airport, National Airport, unless I'm thinking about it. I bet Reagan would be unhappy to be memorialized in a facility serving DC.
Agreed.
And, FWIW, BWI will always be BWI to me, just as Hartsfield is Hartsfield.
I also still have a habit of referring to Sam Cooper Blvd. as "I-40, aborted", but I think the latter name was unique within my household. But surely I can't be the only person with ties to Memphis who still slips and refers to "Memphis State" and "Southwestern" instead of "University of Memphis" and "Rhodes".
Town Lake in Austin...no one calls it Lady Bird Lake. I live in Texas and pop is still pop.
Quote from: kkt on March 22, 2016, 09:54:37 AM
1995hoo reminded me of another one. I still call Reagan Airport, National Airport, unless I'm thinking about it. I bet Reagan would be unhappy to be memorialized in a facility serving DC.
I lived in the DC area around the time of the switch. There was a lot of grumbling about it: "It will
always be
National!"
BWI used to be Friendship Airport. Don't know of anyone who still calls it that.
Here is an incomplete list of things I have to make a conscious effort to call by their current names:
The Worcester Centrum.
Harbor Lights (in Boston).
The Garden State Arts Center
Giants Stadium
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Interboro Parkway
(Massachusetts) Route 128
(Maryland) Route 94 (north of I-70 to MD-26)
New York's JFK Airport was once known as Idlewild Airport. I haven't heard ANYONE call it that, ever.
Actually, airports seem to do this a lot. Chicago O'Hare gets its ORD call sign from its original name of ORcharD Field. Orlando Airport, similarly, gets MCO from McCOy Field.
The Cleveland Indians' stadium will always be Jacob's Field to me (as opposed to its current moniker, Progressive Field). For that matter, The "Q" will always be the Gund Arena for me.
Two guys near me at work are talking about WWE. I seldom think if that, but if I do, I still think of it as the WWF.
Quote from: tckma on March 22, 2016, 02:44:32 PM
New York's JFK Airport was once known as Idlewild Airport. I haven't heard ANYONE call it that, ever.
Not even before 1963? :poke:
Quote from: texaskdog on March 22, 2016, 10:23:45 AM
I live in Texas and pop is still pop.
As in the drink? I thought 'pop' was a Canadian term.
Just looked it up, and I was wrong. Wouldn't be the first time :-P
^^ I thought they called it "Coke" regardless of type or brand down there.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.popvssoda.com%2Fcountystats%2Ftotal-county.gif&hash=7cafa0379e38cf651ccf4648c750d7a8cac4f898)
Quote from: Big John on March 22, 2016, 05:54:04 PM
^^ I thought they called it "Coke" regardless of type or brand down there.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.popvssoda.com%2Fcountystats%2Ftotal-county.gif&hash=7cafa0379e38cf651ccf4648c750d7a8cac4f898)
I find it amusing that there is data for virtually every county in the country including rural Nevada and Alaska. Does that say more about the priorities of the survey takers or people taking the survey? I usually switch between pop or soda without realizing it.
Quote from: Big John on March 22, 2016, 05:54:04 PM
^^ I thought they called it "Coke" regardless of type or brand down there.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.popvssoda.com%2Fcountystats%2Ftotal-county.gif&hash=7cafa0379e38cf651ccf4648c750d7a8cac4f898)
I find it interesting that Milwaukee and St Louis are soda islands in pop-land
Quote from: GaryV on March 22, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: tckma on March 22, 2016, 02:44:32 PM
New York's JFK Airport was once known as Idlewild Airport. I haven't heard ANYONE call it that, ever.
Not even before 1963? :poke:
Considering I was born in 1978, no.
Quote from: tckma on March 23, 2016, 08:54:31 AM
Quote from: GaryV on March 22, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: tckma on March 22, 2016, 02:44:32 PM
New York's JFK Airport was once known as Idlewild Airport. I haven't heard ANYONE call it that, ever.
Not even before 1963? :poke:
Considering I was born in 1978, no.
I've heard the name Idlewild in an old movie, I'm trying to remember which one.
The Idlewild to JFK name change seems to have caught on more quickly than Reagan. Maybe it helps to be a martyr.
In St. Louis, locals refer to I-64 as 'Highway 40'. I understand that US 40 is still a designation for I-64, but the inclusion of US 40 in the name just seems a bit redundant and the I-64 designation has been around for well over fifteen years, and thus I usually refer to it as simply '64', much to my parents' immense confusion.
Strangely, for reasons I can't fathom, locals don't refer to I-44 west of I-270 as 'Highway 50'. Likely because the I-44 designation has been around for far longer than the I-64 designation west of the state line.
I flew into ATL (on Delta, which ATL is their hometown) on Monday and the stewardess welcomed me to "Hartsfield". Delta has always been politically correct about just saying "Atlanta" or "Hartsfield-Jackson" for decades.
In any event. I never say the name of an airport other than just the city or the three letter code, unless more is needed due to the city having multiple airports, such as Reagan-Dulles, or JFK-LaGuardia.
Around WV, I, and most everybody else, still call the Huntington Civic Center that, not its later name of Huntington Civic Arena nor the corporate Big Sandy Superstore Arena (Big Sandy is a chain of easy credit for cheap product furniture stores) ; WVU's football stadium is Mountaineer Field not Mylan Puscar Stadium (Puscar was founder of an ethically challenged generic drug company based nearby) ; the soon to close WV Tech as that and not WVU Tech, which the state renamed it trying to save it from closure; the CRW airport is just "Charleston" (or Charley West in airport lingo) and not "Yeager" ; and of course nothing named for the late Senator/Grand Kleagle is called that, just whatever the underlaying name is, such as US 119.
Quote from: Rothman on March 22, 2016, 01:12:03 PM
Quote from: kkt on March 22, 2016, 09:54:37 AM
1995hoo reminded me of another one. I still call Reagan Airport, National Airport, unless I'm thinking about it. I bet Reagan would be unhappy to be memorialized in a facility serving DC.
I lived in the DC area around the time of the switch. There was a lot of grumbling about it: "It will always be National!"
"National" was never the airport's name to begin with, from a technical standpoint. The airport's name was "Washington Airport" and the word "National" was part of it in the same way the word "International" is part of many others' names. In this case, "National" simply denotes an airport that does not have a Customs facility to process commercial flights (thus, inbound commercial flights from foreign airports are limited to places with preclearance). In this instance, it doesn't mean "the nation's airport" or the like. I think a lot of people assume it does mean that, sort of like the National Zoo or the National Air and Space Museum.
But, of course, people in the DC area wouldn't reasonably be expected to call their own airport "Washington Airport." While I'm too young to remember, I've always figured locally it was probably just called "the airport" prior to Dulles opening. Only after Dulles opened was it really necessary to distinguish, and the word "National" was all there was to differentiate. (There used to be a number of smaller airports in the suburbs, such as Washington—Virginia Airport near Bailey's Crossroads, but they were small operations not comparable to DCA.)
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 23, 2016, 02:03:48 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 22, 2016, 01:12:03 PM
Quote from: kkt on March 22, 2016, 09:54:37 AM
1995hoo reminded me of another one. I still call Reagan Airport, National Airport, unless I'm thinking about it. I bet Reagan would be unhappy to be memorialized in a facility serving DC.
I lived in the DC area around the time of the switch. There was a lot of grumbling about it: "It will always be National!"
"National" was never the airport's name to begin with, from a technical standpoint. The airport's name was "Washington Airport" and the word "National" was part of it in the same way the word "International" is part of many others' names. In this case, "National" simply denotes an airport that does not have a Customs facility to process commercial flights (thus, inbound commercial flights from foreign airports are limited to places with preclearance). In this instance, it doesn't mean "the nation's airport" or the like. I think a lot of people assume it does mean that, sort of like the National Zoo or the National Air and Space Museum.
But, of course, people in the DC area wouldn't reasonably be expected to call their own airport "Washington Airport." While I'm too young to remember, I've always figured locally it was probably just called "the airport" prior to Dulles opening. Only after Dulles opened was it really necessary to distinguish, and the word "National" was all there was to differentiate. (There used to be a number of smaller airports in the suburbs, such as Washington—Virginia Airport near Bailey's Crossroads, but they were small operations not comparable to DCA.)
Interesting use of the name "National Airport" recounted here (http://www.flyreagan.com/dca/history-reagan-national-airport).
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 23, 2016, 02:03:48 PM
"National" was never the airport's name to begin with, from a technical standpoint. The airport's name was "Washington Airport" and the word "National" was part of it in the same way the word "International" is part of many others' names. In this case, "National" simply denotes an airport that does not have a Customs facility to process commercial flights (thus, inbound commercial flights from foreign airports are limited to places with preclearance). In this instance, it doesn't mean "the nation's airport" or the like. I think a lot of people assume it does mean that, sort of like the National Zoo or the National Air and Space Museum.
But, of course, people in the DC area wouldn't reasonably be expected to call their own airport "Washington Airport." While I'm too young to remember, I've always figured locally it was probably just called "the airport" prior to Dulles opening. Only after Dulles opened was it really necessary to distinguish, and the word "National" was all there was to differentiate. (There used to be a number of smaller airports in the suburbs, such as Washington—Virginia Airport near Bailey's Crossroads, but they were small operations not comparable to DCA.)
The sign on the front of the terminal building under construction in the 1940s says Washington National Airport...
http://www.flyreagan.com/sites/default/files/14._then_terminal_a_under_construction_1940s.jpg
I refuse to call Dulles Airport by the '84 change (or probably 1983) the Washington Dulles International Airport and call it simply Dulles Airport or Dulles International Airport.
Every once in a while I'll hear Bradley (International) Airport referred to by its old name Bradley Field. And most people call Newark-Liberty airport just plain Newark Airport. I've heard JFK referred to as Idlewild in Goodfellas, and in Mad Men (both taking place in the '60's)
Quote from: kkt on March 23, 2016, 05:37:38 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 23, 2016, 02:03:48 PM
"National" was never the airport's name to begin with, from a technical standpoint. The airport's name was "Washington Airport" and the word "National" was part of it in the same way the word "International" is part of many others' names. In this case, "National" simply denotes an airport that does not have a Customs facility to process commercial flights (thus, inbound commercial flights from foreign airports are limited to places with preclearance). In this instance, it doesn't mean "the nation's airport" or the like. I think a lot of people assume it does mean that, sort of like the National Zoo or the National Air and Space Museum.
But, of course, people in the DC area wouldn't reasonably be expected to call their own airport "Washington Airport." While I'm too young to remember, I've always figured locally it was probably just called "the airport" prior to Dulles opening. Only after Dulles opened was it really necessary to distinguish, and the word "National" was all there was to differentiate. (There used to be a number of smaller airports in the suburbs, such as Washington—Virginia Airport near Bailey's Crossroads, but they were small operations not comparable to DCA.)
The sign on the front of the terminal building under construction in the 1940s says Washington National Airport...
http://www.flyreagan.com/sites/default/files/14._then_terminal_a_under_construction_1940s.jpg
How does that disagree with anything I said?
Makes me wonder when National Airport started accepting international flights, then. Seems to me that, by 1995hoo's logic, every airport that only accepted domestic flights would have been called a "national" airport.
Quote from: Rothman on March 23, 2016, 10:25:42 PM
Makes me wonder when National Airport started accepting international flights, then. Seems to me that, by 1995hoo's logic, every airport that only accepted domestic flights would have been called a "national" airport.
Technically they're not international flights. The only flights into Reagan from foreign cities (such as Nassau, Montreal, or Toronto, among others) are from cities where the passengers pre-clear US Customs and Immigration in the other city before boarding the flight. The flight is then treated, for legal purposes, as a domestic flight. Flights to Reagan are not, of course, the only ones that have this. I know there are preclearance facilities in Vancouver and in Shannon, to name two cities with no service to DCA. Don't know about elsewhere.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on March 23, 2016, 08:46:49 PM
Every once in a while I'll hear Bradley (International) Airport referred to by its old name Bradley Field. And most people call Newark-Liberty airport just plain Newark Airport. I've heard JFK referred to as Idlewild in Goodfellas, and in Mad Men (both taking place in the '60's)
To me the Newark name Liberty will always not be referred to as such. It has always been "Newark Airport" and it is the airport for that particular city in which we all have the tendency to call as such.
In my hometown (In NC), there was a Texaco gas station that became a Liberty some years ago. The locals still call it "Texaco." It's been at least 15 years since the change.
One episode of Cheers from the mid-80s inadvertently went back to pre-1943 when it referred to Logan Airport as Boston Airport.
Quote from: tckma on March 23, 2016, 08:54:31 AM
Quote from: GaryV on March 22, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: tckma on March 22, 2016, 02:44:32 PM
New York's JFK Airport was once known as Idlewild Airport. I haven't heard ANYONE call it that, ever.
Not even before 1963? :poke:
Considering I was born in 1978, no.
Hey, I was born in 1965, and I've rarely heard people call it Idlewild.
I personally still refer to the Jackie Robinson Parkway as the Interboro Parkway, and the Korean War Veteran's Memorial Parkway as the Richmond Parkway. I also still call the RFK Bridge the Triborough Bridge, the Hugh L. Carey Tunnel the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel, and the Ed Koch Bridge the Queensboro Bridge (not the 59th Street Bridge).
Quote from: PHLBOS on March 24, 2016, 09:02:10 AM
One episode of Cheers from the mid-80s inadvertently went back to pre-1943 when it referred to Logan Airport as Boston Airport.
Along that same thread, I'm not sure if I've ever heard anyone refer to Manchester-Boston Regional Airport as anything other than the Manchester Airport.
Quote from: kkt on March 23, 2016, 09:50:43 AM
Quote from: tckma on March 23, 2016, 08:54:31 AM
Quote from: GaryV on March 22, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: tckma on March 22, 2016, 02:44:32 PM
New York's JFK Airport was once known as Idlewild Airport. I haven't heard ANYONE call it that, ever.
Not even before 1963? :poke:
Considering I was born in 1978, no.
I've heard the name Idlewild in an old movie, I'm trying to remember which one.
The Idlewild to JFK name change seems to have caught on more quickly than Reagan. Maybe it helps to be a martyr.
I'm almost positive it's Breakfast At Tiffany's
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 26, 2015, 01:53:50 PM
Quote from: NE2 on February 26, 2015, 01:50:51 PM
In before 128.
128 is still in use. I'm thinking of names completely replaced.
Changed thread title to better reflect that.
Actually, 128 is still a valid designation (with I-95) only between Canton and Peabody, and from Peabody to Gloucester (as 128 only). 128 between Braintree and Canton is a former designation - depsite what the Boston traffic reporters would have us believe.
I still say Shreveport-Blanchard Hwy for LA 173 through Shreveport, instead of Hilry Huckaby III. I've heard many people still say Cooper Rd. rather than MLK in that same area.
Texas Stadium (now AT&T) and the Rangers Ballpark (now Globe Life Park) in DFW.
Nearly everyone in Alexandria, LA still uses the terms "the north circle" and "the south circle" referring to the 2 traffic circles. There is only one traffic circle today where US 71 and US 165 south meet but it is still called the south circle. The original north circle was removed I think when I-49 was constructed and US 71/ US 165 was elevated. It is now an exit to LA 1/ Bolton Ave beneath.
I wonder if older folks in Denton, TX area still say Hwy 24 rather than US 380 for the main thoroughfare. Or Hwy 99 rather than 377. I heard many people still say or refer to I-30 between Dallas and Fort Worth as the Turnpike.
Quote from: roadman on March 24, 2016, 11:24:31 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 26, 2015, 01:53:50 PM
Quote from: NE2 on February 26, 2015, 01:50:51 PM
In before 128.
128 is still in use. I'm thinking of names completely replaced.
Changed thread title to better reflect that.
Actually, 128 is still a valid designation (with I-95) only between Canton and Peabody, and from Peabody to Gloucester (as 128 only). 128 between Braintree and Canton is a former designation - depsite what the Boston traffic reporters would have us believe.
Wait, I started this thread? I did!
Last year my dad referred to Exxon as Esso when he was talking about some construction going on, and was using a gas station as a reference point.
Quote from: BamaZeus on March 24, 2016, 11:19:19 AM
Quote from: kkt on March 23, 2016, 09:50:43 AM
I've heard the name Idlewild in an old movie, I'm trying to remember which one.
The Idlewild to JFK name change seems to have caught on more quickly than Reagan. Maybe it helps to be a martyr.
I'm almost positive it's Breakfast At Tiffany's
Hmm, could be. Sounds like a good excuse to watch Audrey do her stuff again!
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 24, 2016, 07:36:22 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 23, 2016, 10:25:42 PM
Makes me wonder when National Airport started accepting international flights, then. Seems to me that, by 1995hoo's logic, every airport that only accepted domestic flights would have been called a "national" airport.
Technically they're not international flights. The only flights into Reagan from foreign cities (such as Nassau, Montreal, or Toronto, among others) are from cities where the passengers pre-clear US Customs and Immigration in the other city before boarding the flight. The flight is then treated, for legal purposes, as a domestic flight. Flights to Reagan are not, of course, the only ones that have this. I know there are preclearance facilities in Vancouver and in Shannon, to name two cities with no service to DCA. Don't know about elsewhere.
Incorrect. There are U.S. Customs facilities at Reagan that handle corporate traffic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Washington_National_Airport
Quote from: Rothman on March 24, 2016, 11:52:55 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 24, 2016, 07:36:22 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 23, 2016, 10:25:42 PM
Makes me wonder when National Airport started accepting international flights, then. Seems to me that, by 1995hoo's logic, every airport that only accepted domestic flights would have been called a "national" airport.
Technically they're not international flights. The only flights into Reagan from foreign cities (such as Nassau, Montreal, or Toronto, among others) are from cities where the passengers pre-clear US Customs and Immigration in the other city before boarding the flight. The flight is then treated, for legal purposes, as a domestic flight. Flights to Reagan are not, of course, the only ones that have this. I know there are preclearance facilities in Vancouver and in Shannon, to name two cities with no service to DCA. Don't know about elsewhere.
Incorrect. There are U.S. Customs facilities at Reagan that handle corporate traffic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Washington_National_Airport
I said that very clearly in an earlier post. Reagan doesn't receive commercial international flights but has a small facility for general aviation customs. I didn't want to keep repeating myself. Maybe I forgot how hyper-literal and nitpicky some forum members are.
That same nitpicky post I have seen 1000 times on this board and dozens of travel boards. Somebody says there are no international flight at X airport and someone always chirps in with the idea that you can fly a private plane there and they either have a customs agent or you can (at your expense) arange for one to be there. It is nitpicky and OT when talking about commercial aviation.
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New York's JFK Airport was once known as Idlewild Airport. I haven't heard ANYONE call it that, ever.
Not even before 1963? :poke:
Considering I was born in 1978, no.
I've heard the name Idlewild in an old movie, I'm trying to remember which one.
The Idlewild to JFK name change seems to have caught on more quickly than Reagan. Maybe it helps to be a martyr.
I'm almost positive it's Breakfast At Tiffany's
Idlewild was used in the theme song to Car 54, where are you:
There's a hold up in the Bronx,
Brooklyn's broken out in fights.
There's a traffic jam in Harlem
That's backed up to Jackson Heights.
There's a scout troup short a child,
Kruschev's due at Idlewild
Car 54, Where Are You?
source: http://www.lyricsondemand.com/tvthemes/car54whereareyoulyrics.html
Not a name but whenever someone says "May the force be with you," I usually blindly belt out "And also with you," leading to me also saying "Shows you when I quit the Catholic Church."
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 25, 2016, 12:14:07 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 24, 2016, 11:52:55 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 24, 2016, 07:36:22 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 23, 2016, 10:25:42 PM
Makes me wonder when National Airport started accepting international flights, then. Seems to me that, by 1995hoo's logic, every airport that only accepted domestic flights would have been called a "national" airport.
Technically they're not international flights. The only flights into Reagan from foreign cities (such as Nassau, Montreal, or Toronto, among others) are from cities where the passengers pre-clear US Customs and Immigration in the other city before boarding the flight. The flight is then treated, for legal purposes, as a domestic flight. Flights to Reagan are not, of course, the only ones that have this. I know there are preclearance facilities in Vancouver and in Shannon, to name two cities with no service to DCA. Don't know about elsewhere.
Incorrect. There are U.S. Customs facilities at Reagan that handle corporate traffic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Washington_National_Airport
I said that very clearly in an earlier post. Reagan doesn't receive commercial international flights but has a small facility for general aviation customs. I didn't want to keep repeating myself. Maybe I forgot how hyper-literal and nitpicky some forum members are.
I'm still not seeing very much basis for the idea that the name of Washington National was "National" because it only served domestic flights.
Quote from: Rothman on March 28, 2016, 08:36:26 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 25, 2016, 12:14:07 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 24, 2016, 11:52:55 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 24, 2016, 07:36:22 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 23, 2016, 10:25:42 PM
Makes me wonder when National Airport started accepting international flights, then. Seems to me that, by 1995hoo's logic, every airport that only accepted domestic flights would have been called a "national" airport.
Technically they're not international flights. The only flights into Reagan from foreign cities (such as Nassau, Montreal, or Toronto, among others) are from cities where the passengers pre-clear US Customs and Immigration in the other city before boarding the flight. The flight is then treated, for legal purposes, as a domestic flight. Flights to Reagan are not, of course, the only ones that have this. I know there are preclearance facilities in Vancouver and in Shannon, to name two cities with no service to DCA. Don't know about elsewhere.
Incorrect. There are U.S. Customs facilities at Reagan that handle corporate traffic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Washington_National_Airport
I said that very clearly in an earlier post. Reagan doesn't receive commercial international flights but has a small facility for general aviation customs. I didn't want to keep repeating myself. Maybe I forgot how hyper-literal and nitpicky some forum members are.
I'm still not seeing very much basis for the idea that the name of Washington National was "National" because it only served domestic flights.
Have you noticed their Major League Baseball team? :D
Quote from: Rothman on March 28, 2016, 08:36:26 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 25, 2016, 12:14:07 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 24, 2016, 11:52:55 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 24, 2016, 07:36:22 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 23, 2016, 10:25:42 PM
Makes me wonder when National Airport started accepting international flights, then. Seems to me that, by 1995hoo's logic, every airport that only accepted domestic flights would have been called a "national" airport.
Technically they're not international flights. The only flights into Reagan from foreign cities (such as Nassau, Montreal, or Toronto, among others) are from cities where the passengers pre-clear US Customs and Immigration in the other city before boarding the flight. The flight is then treated, for legal purposes, as a domestic flight. Flights to Reagan are not, of course, the only ones that have this. I know there are preclearance facilities in Vancouver and in Shannon, to name two cities with no service to DCA. Don't know about elsewhere.
Incorrect. There are U.S. Customs facilities at Reagan that handle corporate traffic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Washington_National_Airport
I said that very clearly in an earlier post. Reagan doesn't receive commercial international flights but has a small facility for general aviation customs. I didn't want to keep repeating myself. Maybe I forgot how hyper-literal and nitpicky some forum members are.
I'm still not seeing very much basis for the idea that the name of Washington National was "National" because it only served domestic flights.
I haven't seen you offer anything to disprove it, either. How about we just drop it.
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 28, 2016, 08:31:57 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 28, 2016, 08:36:26 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 25, 2016, 12:14:07 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 24, 2016, 11:52:55 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 24, 2016, 07:36:22 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 23, 2016, 10:25:42 PM
Makes me wonder when National Airport started accepting international flights, then. Seems to me that, by 1995hoo's logic, every airport that only accepted domestic flights would have been called a "national" airport.
Technically they're not international flights. The only flights into Reagan from foreign cities (such as Nassau, Montreal, or Toronto, among others) are from cities where the passengers pre-clear US Customs and Immigration in the other city before boarding the flight. The flight is then treated, for legal purposes, as a domestic flight. Flights to Reagan are not, of course, the only ones that have this. I know there are preclearance facilities in Vancouver and in Shannon, to name two cities with no service to DCA. Don't know about elsewhere.
Incorrect. There are U.S. Customs facilities at Reagan that handle corporate traffic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Washington_National_Airport
I said that very clearly in an earlier post. Reagan doesn't receive commercial international flights but has a small facility for general aviation customs. I didn't want to keep repeating myself. Maybe I forgot how hyper-literal and nitpicky some forum members are.
I'm still not seeing very much basis for the idea that the name of Washington National was "National" because it only served domestic flights.
I haven't seen you offer anything to disprove it, either. How about we just drop it.
Nah. Dropping it isn't very much fun.
You haven't offered anything to support it and you were the one to make the assertion in the first place. Anyway, just going by this little history, it seems it was more about its location rather than the types of flights that it
served:
http://www.flyreagan.com/dca/history-reagan-national-airport
Quote from: Mr. Matté on March 27, 2016, 10:18:40 PM
Not a name but whenever someone says "May the force be with you," I usually blindly belt out "And also with you," leading to me also saying "Shows you when I quit the Catholic Church."
Similarly, when someone says, "Lord have mercy," I'll often blindly respond with "Christ have mercy." Ah, church.
In an episode of I Love Lucy, the airport is referred to verbally as Idlewild, but when shown on-screen, the sign clearly says New York Int'l Airport. Idlewild was the name of the golf course that existed there before the airport was built, and never officially the name of the airport, right?
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Quote from: tckma on March 22, 2016, 02:44:32 PM
New York's JFK Airport was once known as Idlewild Airport. I haven't heard ANYONE call it that, ever.
Not even before 1963? [emoji14]oke:
There is the reference to it in Car 54 Where are you TV show theme song
I will stubbornly refer to the large department store in Downtown Seattle between Pine and Stewart (and 4th and 3rd) as The Bon Marche, instead of Macy's.
Quote from: Bruce on April 12, 2016, 12:26:43 AM
I will stubbornly refer to the large department store in Downtown Seattle between Pine and Stewart (and 4th and 3rd) as The Bon Marche, instead of Macy's.
How do you feel about Frederick and Nelson's?
In Southwest Wisconsin, there was a local grocery store chain called Dick's Supermarkets. They had 9 stores I believe, in towns throughout the region. In the early 2000's, they sold out to the owners of Piggly Wiggly. All the former Dick's stores are now called Piggly Wiggly, but everyone still called them Dick's. The best part about it all, is that Dick's savings club card used to be called the Dick's Insider Savings Club. Amazingly, at least at the Platteville store, they still accept these cards, even though mine is about 20 years old and the barcode barely scans anymore! My Dick's Insider was a long-running joke, especially among the UW-Platteville students.
Peking, Canton, Byelorussia. Only in Spanish, and with Spanish spelling (PekÃn, Cantón, Bielorrusia). In English they are Beijing, Guangzhou, Belarus.
Kiev, always.
Yeah, I don't get the "Kyiv" switch.
Bombay, rather than Mumbai. I don't know when that switch was made.
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 22, 2016, 02:30:23 PM
BWI used to be Friendship Airport. Don't know of anyone who still calls it that.
Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport just rolls right off the tongue.
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Quote from: 1995hoo on March 22, 2016, 02:30:23 PM
BWI used to be Friendship Airport. Don't know of anyone who still calls it that.
Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport just rolls right off the tongue.
Baltimore Washington International Airport rolls off even better.
I still call Myanmar Burma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAlinvw2Rb0
Quote from: noelbotevera on April 13, 2016, 08:48:06 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on April 13, 2016, 08:45:18 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 22, 2016, 02:30:23 PM
BWI used to be Friendship Airport. Don't know of anyone who still calls it that.
Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport just rolls right off the tongue.
Baltimore Washington International Airport rolls off even better.
:shrug: I just call it BWI, that is "Bee Double-U Eye," and never anything else.
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Quote from: 1995hoo on March 22, 2016, 02:30:23 PM
BWI used to be Friendship Airport. Don't know of anyone who still calls it that.
Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport just rolls right off the tongue.
Baltimore Washington International Airport rolls off even better.
:shrug: I just call it BWI, that is "Bee Double-U Eye," and never anything else.
Same, I just say BWI, but if I'm talking to someone who's a real nerd, I might use the full name or the name I mentioned.
Quote from: tckma on April 13, 2016, 02:16:04 PMBombay, rather than Mumbai. I don't know when that switch was made.
1995, per Wikipedia. The nativization of names for other Indian cities has been ongoing since 1947, although most of the really big ones seem to have flipped in the nineties and noughties, e.g. Calcutta/Kolkata (2001), Madras/Chennai (1996), Trivandrum/Thiruvananthapuram (1991). More information here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaming_of_cities_in_India
I just don't think people's names bed in well with airport names unless it somehow sounds euphonic to use the city name followed by the last name of only one person as shorthand for the full airport name. For example, "Washington Dulles" works, but "Wichita Eisenhower" has perhaps too many syllables. "Atlanta Hartsfield" is still much more sensible than "Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson." BWI has a variant of this problem: marketing considerations do not allow it to be labelled exclusively as a Baltimore airport, so "Baltimore Marshall" (dropping Washington) doesn't work as a less cryptic alternative to the IATA code.
Interboro Parkway, Shea Stadium, Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge
Quote from: kkt on April 12, 2016, 10:39:08 AM
Quote from: Bruce on April 12, 2016, 12:26:43 AM
I will stubbornly refer to the large department store in Downtown Seattle between Pine and Stewart (and 4th and 3rd) as The Bon Marche, instead of Macy's.
How do you feel about Frederick and Nelson's?
A bit before my time. At least the flagship was replaced with another local company instead of a nationwide chain.
Quote from: mariethefoxy on April 15, 2016, 01:11:12 AM
Interboro Parkway, Shea Stadium, Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge
What about the Brookly-Battery Tunnel? I doubt you use the new name Hugh Carey Tunnel.
Marshall Field's.
I'm sitting here watching the Bristol Race....Winston Cup and Busch Series are still part of my active dialog as opposed to whoever is sponsoring the series nowadays.
Much like I do with sponsored things, I never mention the sponsor since I don't get payed. Like 'That arena in Los Angeles' as AFAIK it doesn't have a sponsorless name.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on April 17, 2016, 04:22:07 PM
Much like I do with sponsored things, I never mention the sponsor since I don't get payed. Like 'That arena in Los Angeles' as AFAIK it doesn't have a sponsorless name.
Yeah but that kind of thing gets ingrained when you have sponsorships that lasted from 1971 to 2003. Does Winston Cigarettes even exist anymore? Hell they even had a movie with Days of Thunder where the name of sponsor name of the series was even mentioned. Used to be a hell of a lot of fun to line up bottles of Tide, Busch Beer cans and empty packs of smokes around my childhood slot car tracks. They amazingly resemble the race track billboards of yore. :-D
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2016, 04:41:19 PM
Yeah but that kind of thing gets ingrained when you have sponsorships that lasted from 1971 to 2003. Does Winston Cigarettes even exist anymore?
The Winston brand still exists and the cigarettes are sold, though ownership has changed several times and it kind of a tangled web.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2016, 03:25:25 PM
I'm sitting here watching the Bristol Race....Winston Cup and Busch Series are still part of my active dialog as opposed to whoever is sponsoring the series nowadays.
I'm with you there-though recently my brother and I have started to refer to the lower series as the Buschwideity Series and the top series as the Winnextsprint Cup Series. Just wait, the top series will be getting a new name next year as Sprint is going away as the title sponsor.
Quote from: mariethefoxy on April 15, 2016, 01:11:12 AM
Interboro Parkway, Shea Stadium, Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge
Technically Shea Stadium isn't a former name of the current field. CitiField is an entirely new structure.
There are a lot of people (including me) who refer to the ballpark that the Cleveland Indians currently reside in as Jacobs Field, or "The Jake" and always will -- Not Progressive Field.
Most people will still refer to the stadium where the Denver Broncos play as "Mile High Stadium". For the moment, the official name is Sports Authority Field @ Mile High and before that it was Invesco Field. Depending on Sports Authority's current financial problem, Mile High could be known as something else come September...again.
Previous posts were mentioning older ATM names. My favorite branded ATMs were seen in Ontario of all places in the late 80s. Canada Trust Bank called their ATM's "JohnnyCash" machines. And yes, they had the official endorsement of the Man in Black, who appeared in commercials for the bank's ATMs! http://www.openculture.com/2015/04/johnny-cash-machines.html
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2016, 03:25:25 PM
I'm sitting here watching the Bristol Race....Winston Cup and Busch Series are still part of my active dialog as opposed to whoever is sponsoring the series nowadays.
I'm with you there-though recently my brother and I have started to refer to the lower series as the Buschwideity Series and the top series as the Winnextsprint Cup Series. Just wait, the top series will be getting a new name next year as Sprint is going away as the title sponsor.
I still like to refer to the team names by what they used to be. I always manage to stick to Roush and forget about the Fenway part of the equation. BTW, I haven't seen a crowd that small at Bristol in about 25 years....that doesn't bode well.
Not many sponsorless major league sports venues left.
MLB: Fenway, Yankee, Camden Yards, Kauffman, Angel Stadium, Marlins Park, Nationals Park, Turner Field, Wrigley, Dodger (Turner will be gone after this year to be replaced by SunTrust)
NFL: Ralph Wilson, Dolphins, Paul Brown, Arrowhead, Soldier Field, Lambeau Field, Georgia Dome, LA Coliseum, (Dolphins lost Sun Life, but will have a new name come the NFL season. Georgia Dome will be gone after this season to be replaced by Mercedes Benz Stadium.)
NBA: MSG, Palace at Auburn Hills
NHL: MSG, Joe Louis (The Joe will be replaced by a soon to be corporately named arena for the 2017-18 Red Wings season.)
Quote from: thenetwork on April 17, 2016, 11:28:41 PM
There are a lot of people (including me) who refer to the ballpark that the Cleveland Indians currently reside in as Jacobs Field, or "The Jake" and always will -- Not Progressive Field.
Do they let people use the Name Your Price tool to buy tickets?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2016, 11:39:04 PMBTW, I haven't seen a crowd that small at Bristol in about 25 years....that doesn't bode well.
Lots of my friends noticed that too, and I have two theories.
One is all the tinkering NASCAR has done with the racing.
The other is Obama's economy. Bristol is very close to the heart of coal country. It's less than four hours from me and much closer to the coal-producing counties of SE Kentucky, SW Virginia and southern West Virginia. The coal mining economy has been wrecked and many locals can no longer afford to go. At one time, lodging from Bristol spilled over to Wise/Norton, Pikeville and even Prestonsburg and Pigeon Forge/Gatlinburg/Sevierville. I bet that's not the case now.
Quote from: mrsman on April 17, 2016, 12:09:50 AM
Quote from: mariethefoxy on April 15, 2016, 01:11:12 AM
Interboro Parkway, Shea Stadium, Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge
What about the Brookly-Battery Tunnel? I doubt you use the new name Hugh Carey Tunnel.
Nobody calls it the Hugh Carey Tunnel.
I've heard quite a few people refer to Hannaford as Shop N Save recently (and it certainly doesn't help that quite a few small towns still have franchised locations still called that). I also bet that quite a few people will keep using the Price (Ghetto) Chopper name after all of their stores switch to the Market32 format.
Quote from: cl94 on April 18, 2016, 03:13:21 PM
Quote from: mrsman on April 17, 2016, 12:09:50 AM
Quote from: mariethefoxy on April 15, 2016, 01:11:12 AM
Interboro Parkway, Shea Stadium, Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge
What about the Brookly-Battery Tunnel? I doubt you use the new name Hugh Carey Tunnel.
Nobody calls it the Hugh Carey Tunnel.
I've heard quite a few people refer to Hannaford as Shop N Save recently (and it certainly doesn't help that quite a few small towns still have franchised locations still called that). I also bet that quite a few people will keep using the Price (Ghetto) Chopper name after all of their stores switch to the Market32 format.
Does ANYONE refer to Sixth Ave as Avenue of the Americas....really??
Quote from: MisterSG1 on April 18, 2016, 03:53:40 PM
Quote from: cl94 on April 18, 2016, 03:13:21 PM
Quote from: mrsman on April 17, 2016, 12:09:50 AM
Quote from: mariethefoxy on April 15, 2016, 01:11:12 AM
Interboro Parkway, Shea Stadium, Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge
What about the Brookly-Battery Tunnel? I doubt you use the new name Hugh Carey Tunnel.
Nobody calls it the Hugh Carey Tunnel.
I've heard quite a few people refer to Hannaford as Shop N Save recently (and it certainly doesn't help that quite a few small towns still have franchised locations still called that). I also bet that quite a few people will keep using the Price (Ghetto) Chopper name after all of their stores switch to the Market32 format.
Does ANYONE refer to Sixth Ave as Avenue of the Americas....really??
Tourist agencies and tourists. Same people who ride those damn tour buses that clog up the streets and stand on the left side of the escalator.
Quote from: MisterSG1 on April 18, 2016, 03:53:40 PM
Quote from: cl94 on April 18, 2016, 03:13:21 PM
Quote from: mrsman on April 17, 2016, 12:09:50 AM
Quote from: mariethefoxy on April 15, 2016, 01:11:12 AM
Interboro Parkway, Shea Stadium, Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge
What about the Brookly-Battery Tunnel? I doubt you use the new name Hugh Carey Tunnel.
Nobody calls it the Hugh Carey Tunnel.
I've heard quite a few people refer to Hannaford as Shop N Save recently (and it certainly doesn't help that quite a few small towns still have franchised locations still called that). I also bet that quite a few people will keep using the Price (Ghetto) Chopper name after all of their stores switch to the Market32 format.
Does ANYONE refer to Sixth Ave as Avenue of the Americas....really??
About as many as refer to 7th as Fashion Avenue.
Park Avenue seems to have caught on, though.
Quote from: kkt on April 18, 2016, 04:17:31 PM
Quote from: MisterSG1 on April 18, 2016, 03:53:40 PM
Quote from: cl94 on April 18, 2016, 03:13:21 PM
Quote from: mrsman on April 17, 2016, 12:09:50 AM
Quote from: mariethefoxy on April 15, 2016, 01:11:12 AM
Interboro Parkway, Shea Stadium, Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge
What about the Brookly-Battery Tunnel? I doubt you use the new name Hugh Carey Tunnel.
Nobody calls it the Hugh Carey Tunnel.
I've heard quite a few people refer to Hannaford as Shop N Save recently (and it certainly doesn't help that quite a few small towns still have franchised locations still called that). I also bet that quite a few people will keep using the Price (Ghetto) Chopper name after all of their stores switch to the Market32 format.
Does ANYONE refer to Sixth Ave as Avenue of the Americas....really??
About as many as refer to 7th as Fashion Avenue.
Park Avenue seems to have caught on, though.
Park Avenue also got that name in 1860 and was a full official rename. 6th and 7th Avenues remained after their renames.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 18, 2016, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2016, 11:39:04 PMBTW, I haven't seen a crowd that small at Bristol in about 25 years....that doesn't bode well.
Lots of my friends noticed that too, and I have two theories.
One is all the tinkering NASCAR has done with the racing.
The other is Obama's economy. Bristol is very close to the heart of coal country. It's less than four hours from me and much closer to the coal-producing counties of SE Kentucky, SW Virginia and southern West Virginia. The coal mining economy has been wrecked and many locals can no longer afford to go. At one time, lodging from Bristol spilled over to Wise/Norton, Pikeville and even Prestonsburg and Pigeon Forge/Gatlinburg/Sevierville. I bet that's not the case now.
Yeah I might have to seriously consider a spring race ticket if the crowds are going to be like that. It wasn't too long ago that you couldn't even touch the place or stay anywhere near the track. Apparently something is up because NASCAR is reducing seating capacity at almost every track and actively trying not to advertise attendance figures. Oh well, I was more comfortable when it was a niche sport....it didn't have even a fraction of the political correctness that has sunk in since the avert the major network TV contracts. Seemed to work for the NHL to take a step back as well, more isn't always better.
NASCAR has pretty much been ruined by the network empty suits.
Back in the day, ESPN (TNN, TBS, et al) just pointed a camera at the previously mostly untelevized sport and if they had any suggestions, they had the sense to keep them to themselves. Then came the series wide TV contracts, and Earnhardt's death. Between the idiot suggestions of the networks (chase, chase to the chase, personality free drivers) and of people that do not understand racing (head in a harness, spec cars, no relationship to stock) the sport is sheading 15% of its fan base every year.
It will get worse unless and until a new management comes in.
Quote from: SP Cook on April 19, 2016, 06:32:03 AM
NASCAR has pretty much been ruined by the network empty suits.
Back in the day, ESPN (TNN, TBS, et al) just pointed a camera at the previously mostly untelevized sport and if they had any suggestions, they had the sense to keep them to themselves. Then came the series wide TV contracts, and Earnhardt's death. Between the idiot suggestions of the networks (chase, chase to the chase, personality free drivers) and of people that do not understand racing (head in a harness, spec cars, no relationship to stock) the sport is sheading 15% of its fan base every year.
It will get worse unless and until a new management comes in.
But it's not just NASCAR, the IRL, road racing in general, WoW, the NHRA and even largely F1 have fallen off peak popularity by a large margin. Hell I remember when ARCA and ASA races were regularly televised and there was a pretty good chance you knew who some of the drivers even were. Incidentally there is a another, I still tend to refer to the IRL is either CART or just Indy Cars.
Quote from: MisterSG1 on April 18, 2016, 03:53:40 PM
Quote from: cl94 on April 18, 2016, 03:13:21 PM
Quote from: mrsman on April 17, 2016, 12:09:50 AM
Quote from: mariethefoxy on April 15, 2016, 01:11:12 AM
Interboro Parkway, Shea Stadium, Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge
What about the Brookly-Battery Tunnel? I doubt you use the new name Hugh Carey Tunnel.
Nobody calls it the Hugh Carey Tunnel.
I've heard quite a few people refer to Hannaford as Shop N Save recently (and it certainly doesn't help that quite a few small towns still have franchised locations still called that). I also bet that quite a few people will keep using the Price (Ghetto) Chopper name after all of their stores switch to the Market32 format.
Does ANYONE refer to Sixth Ave as Avenue of the Americas....really??
I spent part of my telecom career working for AT&T Long Lines (after the Bell System break-up, the name changed to AT&T Communications). Long Lines' HQ was located at 32 Avenue of the Americas, but none of us ever called it that. The building itself was always referred to inside the company simply as "Thirty-two Double-A," but we never called the street it was on anything except "Sixth Avenue."
Quote from: cl94 on April 18, 2016, 04:39:14 PM
Park Avenue also got that name in 1860 and was a full official rename. 6th and 7th Avenues remained after their renames.
Thanks for mentioning that. Somehow I had the impression the Park Avenue rename was when Grand Central Terminal was built and the tracks north of it put underground, but as you say it was way earlier.
Quote from: cl94 on April 18, 2016, 04:39:14 PM
Quote from: kkt on April 18, 2016, 04:17:31 PM
Quote from: MisterSG1 on April 18, 2016, 03:53:40 PM
Quote from: cl94 on April 18, 2016, 03:13:21 PM
Quote from: mrsman on April 17, 2016, 12:09:50 AM
Quote from: mariethefoxy on April 15, 2016, 01:11:12 AM
Interboro Parkway, Shea Stadium, Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge
What about the Brookly-Battery Tunnel? I doubt you use the new name Hugh Carey Tunnel.
Nobody calls it the Hugh Carey Tunnel.
I've heard quite a few people refer to Hannaford as Shop N Save recently (and it certainly doesn't help that quite a few small towns still have franchised locations still called that). I also bet that quite a few people will keep using the Price (Ghetto) Chopper name after all of their stores switch to the Market32 format.
Does ANYONE refer to Sixth Ave as Avenue of the Americas....really??
About as many as refer to 7th as Fashion Avenue.
Park Avenue seems to have caught on, though.
Park Avenue also got that name in 1860 and was a full official rename. 6th and 7th Avenues remained after their renames.
Does anyone call Broad St in Philly 14th St? Or JFK Boulevard by its old name Filbert St?
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NASCAR has pretty much been ruined by the network empty suits.
Back in the day, ESPN (TNN, TBS, et al) just pointed a camera at the previously mostly untelevized sport and if they had any suggestions, they had the sense to keep them to themselves. Then came the series wide TV contracts, and Earnhardt's death. Between the idiot suggestions of the networks (chase, chase to the chase, personality free drivers) and of people that do not understand racing (head in a harness, spec cars, no relationship to stock) the sport is sheading 15% of its fan base every year.
It will get worse unless and until a new management comes in.
But it's not just NASCAR, the IRL, road racing in general, WoW, the NHRA and even largely F1 have fallen off peak popularity by a large margin. Hell I remember when ARCA and ASA races were regularly televised and there was a pretty good chance you knew who some of the drivers even were. Incidentally there is a another, I still tend to refer to the IRL is either CART or just Indy Cars.
...the ever-increasing price of "going racing" and the expectations of over-professionalism expected by the teams has not helped one bit; to be fair, that's always occurred until a series just goes bust from bad management, it merges with something else, or teams flock to another series.
In a rather slow-growth economy, new teams aren't taking the leap from one tier to another as easily as before, so when a team folds up or closes shop because the bills can't get paid, there's nothing much to replace it with.
Probably the best hope for NASCAR's top tier is a new stock-car or production-based series to challenge it...which might ruin it or improve it. Since it sees itself as top dog in North American motor sports for past 20 years, it's probably just going to stay the course until it decides to return to its roots. Loads of sponsors will have to pull out before that ever happens, there's too many vested interests at stake.
Beach 67th Street - Gaston, or the V and W line, or the L line before it went computerized in NYC?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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Beach 67th Street - Gaston, or the V and W line, or the L line before it went computerized in NYC?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
You mean the LL. (And the RR, GG, CC....)
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NASCAR has pretty much been ruined by the network empty suits.
Back in the day, ESPN (TNN, TBS, et al) just pointed a camera at the previously mostly untelevized sport and if they had any suggestions, they had the sense to keep them to themselves. Then came the series wide TV contracts, and Earnhardt's death. Between the idiot suggestions of the networks (chase, chase to the chase, personality free drivers) and of people that do not understand racing (head in a harness, spec cars, no relationship to stock) the sport is sheading 15% of its fan base every year.
It will get worse unless and until a new management comes in.
But it's not just NASCAR, the IRL, road racing in general, WoW, the NHRA and even largely F1 have fallen off peak popularity by a large margin. Hell I remember when ARCA and ASA races were regularly televised and there was a pretty good chance you knew who some of the drivers even were. Incidentally there is a another, I still tend to refer to the IRL is either CART or just Indy Cars.
...the ever-increasing price of "going racing" and the expectations of over-professionalism expected by the teams has not helped one bit; to be fair, that's always occurred until a series just goes bust from bad management, it merges with something else, or teams flock to another series.
In a rather slow-growth economy, new teams aren't taking the leap from one tier to another as easily as before, so when a team folds up or closes shop because the bills can't get paid, there's nothing much to replace it with.
Probably the best hope for NASCAR's top tier is a new stock-car or production-based series to challenge it...which might ruin it or improve it. Since it sees itself as top dog in North American motor sports for past 20 years, it's probably just going to stay the course until it decides to return to its roots. Loads of sponsors will have to pull out before that ever happens, there's too many vested interests at stake.
Yeah despite everything the biggest thing NASCAR has going for it over the other series is parity and closer racing, a lot of that has to do with specs. I would like to see the series kind of return 80s/90s era specs were basically the automakers still had a large input into the performance of the cars, at least from the stand point of aerodynamics. The problem with the IRL is that all the talent left for NASCAR and F1 after the split from CART, even the Indy 500 has seen a huge drop in stature. F1 while an engineering marvel is probably one of the least competitive major racing series on a race by race basis. Really racing in general is probably going to back slide kind of to where it was before the big networks which probably for the best. People like me who enjoy racing will seek it out and more casual sports fans will stick to things like baseball, basketball or football.
Also...incidentally found myself asking my Uncle how he was liking his new Pontiac G8 when it's a Chevy SS....looks exactly the same except for the front nose.
Friday will be my tenth anniversary, yet I still find myself thinking my wife's initials are CML. She's been CMH for a long time, now.
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All those cities in India that were renamed (Madras, Calcutta, Bombay, Bangalore)- it's not that I'm opposed to using the new names, I just never remember that the names were changed.
They were. By the British.
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Older people around here still refer to Madison Boulevard in Madison, AL as "Highway 20".
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Quote from: tckma on April 13, 2016, 02:16:04 PMBombay, rather than Mumbai. I don't know when that switch was made.
1995, per Wikipedia. The nativization of names for other Indian cities has been ongoing since 1947, although most of the really big ones seem to have flipped in the nineties and noughties, e.g. Calcutta/Kolkata (2001), Madras/Chennai (1996), Trivandrum/Thiruvananthapuram (1991). More information here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaming_of_cities_in_India
I just don't think people's names bed in well with airport names unless it somehow sounds euphonic to use the city name followed by the last name of only one person as shorthand for the full airport name. For example, "Washington Dulles" works, but "Wichita Eisenhower" has perhaps too many syllables. "Atlanta Hartsfield" is still much more sensible than "Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson." BWI has a variant of this problem: marketing considerations do not allow it to be labelled exclusively as a Baltimore airport, so "Baltimore Marshall" (dropping Washington) doesn't work as a less cryptic alternative to the IATA code.
My unscientific guess is that "Logan" is used here 80% of the time, "the airport" 18% of the time, and all others 2% (you occasionally see a tourist ask a question online about "Boston Logan," words spoken by no local).
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(you occasionally see a tourist ask a question online about "Boston Logan," words spoken by no local).
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Interboro Parkway, Shea Stadium, Triboro Bridge, Queensboro Bridge
What about the Brookly-Battery Tunnel? I doubt you use the new name Hugh Carey Tunnel.
Nobody calls it the Hugh Carey Tunnel.
I've heard quite a few people refer to Hannaford as Shop N Save recently (and it certainly doesn't help that quite a few small towns still have franchised locations still called that). I also bet that quite a few people will keep using the Price (Ghetto) Chopper name after all of their stores switch to the Market32 format.
Does ANYONE refer to Sixth Ave as Avenue of the Americas....really??
I spent part of my telecom career working for AT&T Long Lines (after the Bell System break-up, the name changed to AT&T Communications). Long Lines' HQ was located at 32 Avenue of the Americas, but none of us ever called it that. The building itself was always referred to inside the company simply as "Thirty-two Double-A," but we never called the street it was on anything except "Sixth Avenue."
The only time you see Ave of Americas being used is on official letterhead of some law firm or other over the top corporate entity that wants gravitas.
Quote from: kphoger on April 20, 2016, 11:00:02 PM
Friday will be my tenth anniversary, yet I still find myself thinking my wife's initials are CML. She's been CMH for a long time, now.
Columbus Metropolitan Library
Columbus Municipal Hangar (nobody calls it that anymore except by initials, so it kinda fits the topic?)
Also, I have a cousin whose initials are CML; he lives in BOS.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on April 21, 2016, 09:24:48 AM
My unscientific guess is that "Logan" is used here 80% of the time, "the airport" 18% of the time, and all others 2% (you occasionally see a tourist ask a question online about "Boston Logan," words spoken by no local).
Because if someone didn't specifically say "Boston Logan", there would be at least one local smart-ass assuming one was flying into Hanscom Field.
It's not like they tried to force in
Revere-Stanley-Adams Field at Boston Metropolitan Area International Jumbo-Jetport, W.B. Mason Terminal to the conversation just to sound extra savvy.
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Quote from: Pete from Boston on April 21, 2016, 09:24:48 AM
My unscientific guess is that "Logan" is used here 80% of the time, "the airport" 18% of the time, and all others 2% (you occasionally see a tourist ask a question online about "Boston Logan," words spoken by no local).
Because if someone didn't specifically say "Boston Logan", there would be at least one local smart-ass assuming one was flying into Hanscom Field.
Hanscom Field (BED) hasn't had scheduled commercial service for almost a decade; it's pretty much now a general aviation airport. Even when it did; the airline service was very limited.
On the subject of airports and/or military bases: I'm sure some still refer to the Horsham Air Guard Station as
Willow Grove (Naval Air Station);...or, in light of recent BGS' along I-295 in NJ (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.122274,-74.7183201,3a,75y,29.24h,89.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s72HhYu4eDTdjHKh4X1KbCw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), I wasn't even aware that Fort Dix and McGuire A.F.B. merged to become
Joint Base MDL.
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My unscientific guess is that "Logan" is used here 80% of the time, "the airport" 18% of the time, and all others 2% (you occasionally see a tourist ask a question online about "Boston Logan," words spoken by no local).
Because if someone didn't specifically say "Boston Logan", there would be at least one local smart-ass assuming one was flying into Hanscom Field.
Hanscom Field (BED) hasn't had scheduled commercial service for almost a decade; it's pretty much now a general aviation airport. Even when it did; the airline service was very limited.
On the subject of airports and/or military bases: I'm sure some still refer to the Horsham Air Guard Station as Willow Grove (Naval Air Station);...or, in light of recent BGS' along I-295 in NJ (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.122274,-74.7183201,3a,75y,29.24h,89.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s72HhYu4eDTdjHKh4X1KbCw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), I wasn't even aware that Fort Dix and McGuire A.F.B. merged to become Joint Base MDL.
Of course, Manchester is officially "Manchester-Boston", even though it's an hour away from Boston. Some idiot might assume that.
I grappled for a minute today to not say "McNeil Lehrer" when talking about the news on PBS.
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I grappled for a minute today to not say "McNeil Lehrer" when talking about the news on PBS.
Same goes for the Big Three evening news: Tom Brokaw for NBC, Dan Rather for CBS and Peter Jennings for ABC. IIRC, Brokaw is retired, Rather got fired and Jennings is dead.
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I grappled for a minute today to not say "McNeil Lehrer" when talking about the news on PBS.
Same goes for the Big Three evening news: Tom Brokaw for NBC, Dan Rather for CBS and Peter Jennings for ABC. IIRC, Brokaw is retired, Rather got fired and Jennings is dead.
Walter Cronkite. Oh, yeah, dead too.
Quote from: cl94 on May 12, 2016, 08:37:47 PMOf course, Manchester is officially "Manchester-Boston", even though it's an hour away from Boston. Some idiot might assume that.
Only an hour away - that's close!
London Manston Airport (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manston_Airport) was a good 90 minutes away. London Oxford Airport is a little bit closer, but still over 80 minutes. London Southend (which is a bit more credible) is 53 minutes away, Stansted (London's third Airport) is 45 minutes away from the city centre.
The champion at that is Paris Vatry airport (over 125 miles and 2 hours away from Paris). Frankfurt Hahn is also far from Frankfurt (just over 100 miles, which takes 1 1/2 hours).
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Quote from: Pete from Boston on May 13, 2016, 01:07:25 AM
I grappled for a minute today to not say "McNeil Lehrer" when talking about the news on PBS.
Same goes for the Big Three evening news: Tom Brokaw for NBC, Dan Rather for CBS and Peter Jennings for ABC. IIRC, Brokaw is retired, Rather got fired and Jennings is dead.
I guess I never referred to them as the name of the broadcast. The McNeil Lehrer Newshour had a gradual evolution – first becoming The Newshour with Jim Lehrer, then just PBS Newshour. But it was officially the former much longer than either of the others.
How many use Leno, Carson, and Jummy Fallon to name the tonight show? In fact Antenna TV uses Johnny Carson to name the syndicated reruns each night. However, that might be because NBC owns the name, and part of the deal is to use another name for airing old reruns.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 14, 2016, 08:24:50 AM
How many use Leno, Carson, and Jummy Fallon to name the tonight show? In fact Antenna TV uses Johnny Carson to name the syndicated reruns each night. However, that might be because NBC owns the name, and part of the deal is to use another name for airing old reruns.
Back before the whole Jay/Conan fiasco, I referred to the Tonight Show as "Leno" all the time.
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Quote from: roadman65 on May 14, 2016, 08:24:50 AM
How many use Leno, Carson, and Jummy Fallon to name the tonight show? In fact Antenna TV uses Johnny Carson to name the syndicated reruns each night. However, that might be because NBC owns the name, and part of the deal is to use another name for airing old reruns.
Back before the whole Jay/Conan fiasco, I referred to the Tonight Show as "Leno" all the time.
Most TV listings that I see, especially in grid form, list the last name of the host as the name of the show.
Quote from: english si on May 13, 2016, 04:37:46 PM
...Stansted (London's third Airport) is 45 minutes away from the city centre.
Hmmm...a "no-traffic" 45 minutes, or typical "rush-hour" 45 minutes? Three-quarters of an hour isn't too bad a commute to a secondary airport. In some cases, I'm okay with 90 minutes if it's a more enjoyable experience or beneficial (although, usually ties back to roading and seeing the sights).
I'd guess that probably 75% of folks in the US are within 15-60 minutes of the nearest airport with commercial service.
Edit: good guess (http://www.mark-pearson.com/airport-distances/).
This floated across my Facebook feed yesterday.
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/11061287_799753656811519_4823370123373179789_n.jpg?oh=1f6165657f65a1602adeb2f602bd801f&oe=57DA8BEE)
Now that it has been renamed, Dnipropetrovsk.
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Edit: good guess (http://www.mark-pearson.com/airport-distances/).
I don't want to click that link.
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...Stansted (London's third Airport) is 45 minutes away from the city centre.
Hmmm...a "no-traffic" 45 minutes, or typical "rush-hour" 45 minutes?
A 'no traffic' 45 minutes (it's doable now at 1am, but wouldn't be during non-late night hours) to the nearest bit of Central London. I'm surprised it was that good - that's the same as the 'express' train that I used, assuming (as it is the case for nearly all journeys into the centre of London) that it would be slower by road.
QuoteThree-quarters of an hour isn't too bad a commute to a secondary airport.
Sure, though this isn't a small airport - it has more passengers per year than Berlin's main one and is the 25th busiest in Europe (and would rank 21st in the US, ahead of BWI), though it's not as if there aren't two closer and bigger airports to Central London. The issue was airports a long way from the city they are named for, and this wasn't the worst one for London.
Quote from: hbelkins on May 18, 2016, 11:04:28 PM
This floated across my Facebook feed yesterday.
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I'm waiting for one with John Adams that says "Take down those 128 signs, and we'll dump the 95 signs in Boston Harbor"
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Now that it has been renamed, Dnipropetrovsk.
Quote from: formulanone on May 17, 2016, 09:40:53 AM
Edit: good guess (http://www.mark-pearson.com/airport-distances/).
I don't want to click that link.
Don't confuse my stupidity with malice.
The Citrus Bowl in Florida for one. It has a new name, that I could care less about, and to me it was always "The Toilet Bowl" as it was always a burden on our city for years.
IMO it should have been leveled with a new stadium built in a more accessible area convenient to the city's highway network instead of the area its in now, where it is now only near FL 408, which is on everyone's boycott list due to the tolls on it. Plus 408 is in only good if you are living east or west of town, which is really the reason. Plus the new Soccer Stadium is only blocks away, so why do you need two stadiums anyhow?
If the old stadium did at least bring in some revenue then maybe even a new replacement should be built. Anyway, enough being carried off.
I most likely will call our highest peak Mount McKinnley as such, not because it was proposed by a president I cannot wait till he is out of office, because its just hard to say Denali even though that it was for ages prior to whenever it was renamed. Plus I find no reason to rename something as we did discuss this in another thread earlier this year or late last year. I may get used to it over time, but to all my friends and family we hardly ever discuss that particular peak, so it may never get to that point of adjusting to it.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on June 12, 2016, 06:17:08 PM
Now that it has been renamed, Dnipropetrovsk.
Or Kiev instead of Kyiv.
Side note: Ukrainian isn't the easiest language to learn.
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The Citrus Bowl in Florida for one. It has a new name, that I could care less about, and to me it was always "The Toilet Bowl" as it was always a burden on our city for years.
IMO it should have been leveled with a new stadium built in a more accessible area convenient to the city's highway network instead of the area its in now, where it is now only near FL 408, which is on everyone's boycott list due to the tolls on it. Plus 408 is in only good if you are living east or west of town, which is really the reason. Plus the new Soccer Stadium is only blocks away, so why do you need two stadiums anyhow?
If the old stadium did at least bring in some revenue then maybe even a new replacement should be built. Anyway, enough being carried off.
I most likely will call our highest peak Mount McKinnley as such, not because it was proposed by a president I cannot wait till he is out of office, because its just hard to say Denali even though that it was for ages prior to whenever it was renamed. Plus I find no reason to rename something as we did discuss this in another thread earlier this year or late last year. I may get used to it over time, but to all my friends and family we hardly ever discuss that particular peak, so it may never get to that point of adjusting to it.
Not to mention the Orange Bowl is just on the outskirts of the Parramore neighborhood which has never been the best. A lot of the reputation OBT has comes exclusively from that area of the city...it is about as it gets in Orlando. They should have just made the new soccer stadium 60,000 seats and called it a day for multipurpose sports. I think that the city was going with the angle of the Orange Bowl being a historic structure but then they go and rename it something stupid like "Camping World Stadium" and rip up Tinker Field to build a parking lot.
Every now and then I find myself using the names "Macy's" and "Willis Tower" by mistake.
I still refer to IndyCar as the IRL at times. Ditto for the Xfinity series.....I still catch myself calling it the Nationwide series from time to time
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I still refer to IndyCar as the IRL at times. Ditto for the Xfinity series.....I still catch myself calling it the Nationwide series from time to time
Most of us still call the main NASCAR series the Winston Cup.
Some that I do (sports and non-sports):
Travelers Championship: GHO
Macy's: Filene's or G Fox
XL Center: The (Hartford) Civic Center
MetLife Stadium: Giants Stadium (although it's a new building)
XFinity Center: The Meadows (Hartford) Great Woods (Mansfield, MA)
Six Flags New England: Riverside (Park)
Westfield Meriden (soon to be Meriden Mall, but not to be confused with another long gone mall with the same name): Meriden Square
CT 322 between I-84 and I-691, and I-691 itself east of Exit 4: Route 66
Dixie Stampede
We still refer to US 36 as the Boulder Turnpike here in Denver, even though they stopped collecting tolls in 1967 (current HOT lanes excepted) and is officially named "Buffalo Highway" in honor of the University of Colorado mascot.
Now that this has been resurrected, let me introduce: Belgian Congo. Having two countries with the same shorthand name (Congo) right next to each other is quite confusing, so I use "plain" Congo for the smaller Republic of the Congo, and for the larger Democratic Republic of the Congo I use its former colonial name. Okay, I could have gone by its former name Zaire, but that doesn't include "Congo".
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Now that this has been resurrected, let me introduce: Belgian Congo. Having two countries with the same shorthand name (Congo) right next to each other is quite confusing, so I use "plain" Congo for the smaller Republic of the Congo, and for the larger Democratic Republic of the Congo I use its former colonial name. Okay, I could have gone by its former name Zaire, but that doesn't include "Congo".
I find it very confusing that some American newspapers simply say "Congo" without giving any indication which one they mean. I suspect the Associated Press probably has some incorrect guideline saying that one of them is just plain "Congo" and the reader is supposed to know what the AP thinks is right.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on June 06, 2020, 03:43:02 PM
Now that this has been resurrected, let me introduce: Belgian Congo. Having two countries with the same shorthand name (Congo) right next to each other is quite confusing, so I use "plain" Congo for the smaller Republic of the Congo, and for the larger Democratic Republic of the Congo I use its former colonial name. Okay, I could have gone by its former name Zaire, but that doesn't include "Congo".
Wow. I've heard they don't actually like that. I've heard when that was its name slaves got their limbs cut off for not meeting rubber quotas for the king. I've even heard that in the 21st century we're beginning to move on from defining entire nations by which trigger-happy Europeans got there first, planted a flag, and exploited its citizens...
My aunt in Chicago used to say Kresge's instead of K-Mart.
Around here for the longest time I've heard people refer to Kroger as Kessel. Kessel is an old name for a Flint based grocery store that is no longer in business they were bought out by Kroger. Kessel though in turn bought several old Kroger stores and carried Kroger products. Some of the old Kessel stores became Save A Lot as well.
There's a road on the University of Utah campus called Mario Capecchi Drive, renamed after the Nobel Price-winning genetics professor. I often find myself referring to that street by its old names, Wasatch Drive and Medical Drive.
Another local one is Vivint Smart Home Arena, home to the Utah Jazz. I still say Energy Solutions on occasion (partly out of habit, and partly because I can never remember Vivint), and you can find plenty of people who still say Delta Center.
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How about John Cougar Mellencamp? I think many people slip up and use the Cougar name still, not to be rude, but out of habit.
However speaking of Prince, many people have become sort of weary too, that John Mellencamp changed his name three times since his first album. He was John Cougar at conception, then he added on his real last name to it, and the last time he just dropped the Cougar to be his real name. So many may say the whole Cougar thing just out of spite.
John Fill-in-the-Blank.
I refer to him as John Cougar Mellencamp because I really don't feel like trying to remember what he changed it to, plus everyone knows who I'm talking about that way. In fact, since reading the last several posts, a call came in at work and I promptly forgot the history of his name; I am not going to re-read it to find out; I'm going to keep referring to him as John Cougar Mellencamp.
I just call him "Mellencamp" without either of the other two words, though that's not unique to him because I refer to Springsteen, Buffett, and McCartney the same way (though the same principle doesn't apply to everyone; Billy Joel or Mark Knopfler would be two examples where I don't use just the last name).
William Martin Joel has probably been known as "Billy Joel" since kindergarten.
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How about John Cougar Mellencamp? I think many people slip up and use the Cougar name still, not to be rude, but out of habit.
However speaking of Prince, many people have become sort of weary too, that John Mellencamp changed his name three times since his first album. He was John Cougar at conception, then he added on his real last name to it, and the last time he just dropped the Cougar to be his real name. So many may say the whole Cougar thing just out of spite.
John Fill-in-the-Blank.
I refer to him as John Cougar Mellencamp because I really don't feel like trying to remember what he changed it to, plus everyone knows who I'm talking about that way. In fact, since reading the last several posts, a call came in at work and I promptly forgot the history of his name; I am not going to re-read it to find out; I'm going to keep referring to him as John Cougar Mellencamp.
I just call him "Mellencamp" without either of the other two words, though that's not unique to him because I refer to Springsteen, Buffett, and McCartney the same way (though the same principle doesn't apply to everyone; Billy Joel or Mark Knopfler would be two examples where I don't use just the last name).
William Martin Joel has probably been known as "Billy Joel" since kindergarten.
He's joked about that a few times on (I think) David Letterman.
Tappan Zee Bridge.
Except it's not "without meaning to". It's one of those ones that's so ingrained that I intentionally keep calling it that.
I believe the Sears Tower in Chicago is similar in this regard.
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My aunt in Chicago used to say Kresge's instead of K-Mart.
My grandmother continued to call Sears "Searoebuck" for many years after the Roebuck fell out of the mainstream.
The local Family Fare is sometimes referred to as Glen's (a fairly recent former name) or even Prevo's (what the name was before it became Glen's)
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The local Family Fare is sometimes referred to as Glen's (a fairly recent former name) or even Prevo's (what the name was before it became Glen's)
I remember it as Glen's pretty well. I use to think that you aren't up north in Michigan until you see a Glen's store.
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Tappan Zee Bridge.
Except it's not "without meaning to". It's one of those ones that's so ingrained that I intentionally keep calling it that.
I believe the Sears Tower in Chicago is similar in this regard.
I still to this day call it the Sears Tower so much in fact that I forget what the current name is, I know it's Willis Tower but I've never called it that. Same goes with Comiskey Park, I either call it Comiskey or Sox Park never US Cellular Field or Guaranteed Rate Field, the latter bring an utterly dumb name for a stadium.
Quote from: ftballfan on June 08, 2020, 10:13:08 AM
The local Family Fare is sometimes referred to as Glen's (a fairly recent former name) or even Prevo's (what the name was before it became Glen's)
I remember Glen's when it was called the Red Owl.
Quote from: Ketchup99 on June 06, 2020, 09:44:10 PM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on June 06, 2020, 03:43:02 PM
Now that this has been resurrected, let me introduce: Belgian Congo. Having two countries with the same shorthand name (Congo) right next to each other is quite confusing, so I use "plain" Congo for the smaller Republic of the Congo, and for the larger Democratic Republic of the Congo I use its former colonial name. Okay, I could have gone by its former name Zaire, but that doesn't include "Congo".
Wow. I've heard they don't actually like that. I've heard when that was its name slaves got their limbs cut off for not meeting rubber quotas for the king. I've even heard that in the 21st century we're beginning to move on from defining entire nations by which trigger-happy Europeans got there first, planted a flag, and exploited its citizens...
Yes, the Belgians treated the people in their colony SO badly that even the other European colonial powers noticed!
I keep calling FedEx Office "Kinkos". It's mostly an accident, and only partly because it's shorter.
I still call ATMs, "Tyme Machines." That is how they were branded in parts of Wisconsin about 30 years ago. Take Your Money Everywhere.
Another country I still know by its former name: Swaziland (what now has the funky name of eSwatini). Even though it sounds too close to Switzerland.
Quote from: kkt on June 08, 2020, 03:12:55 PM
Quote from: Ketchup99 on June 06, 2020, 09:44:10 PM
Wow. I've heard they don't actually like that. I've heard when that was its name slaves got their limbs cut off for not meeting rubber quotas for the king. I've even heard that in the 21st century we're beginning to move on from defining entire nations by which trigger-happy Europeans got there first, planted a flag, and exploited its citizens...
Yes, the Belgians treated the people in their colony SO badly that even the other European colonial powers noticed!
Wow, so I guess I'll have to start calling the DRC "Zaire" instead.
Quote from: renegade on June 08, 2020, 02:43:52 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on June 08, 2020, 10:13:08 AM
The local Family Fare is sometimes referred to as Glen's (a fairly recent former name) or even Prevo's (what the name was before it became Glen's)
I remember Glen's when it was called the Red Owl.
Were all the Glen's called Red Owl? I seem to remember Red Owl in the western part of the UP.
Quote from: GaryV on June 08, 2020, 04:36:17 PM
Quote from: renegade on June 08, 2020, 02:43:52 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on June 08, 2020, 10:13:08 AM
The local Family Fare is sometimes referred to as Glen's (a fairly recent former name) or even Prevo's (what the name was before it became Glen's)
I remember Glen's when it was called the Red Owl.
Were all the Glen's called Red Owl? I seem to remember Red Owl in the western part of the UP.
I can only speak for the ones in the Soo and St Ignace. Not sure about the others.
Marvin's IGA, we usually called IGA, not Marvin's. When Marvin dropped the IGA franchise, we still called it IGA
7-11 was a generic term for convenience stores in the 1970's since many were open 7am to 11pm.
Quote from: kkt on June 08, 2020, 03:14:23 PM
I keep calling FedEx Office "Kinkos". It's mostly an accident, and only partly because it's shorter.
I always called and still call it Kinko's, as the namesake was born in my old stomping grounds, Kent, OH.
And where the Cleveland Indians play, I will always call it Jacobs Field or The Jake. Never Progressive Field!!!
Quote from: thenetwork on June 08, 2020, 10:32:05 PM
Quote from: kkt on June 08, 2020, 03:14:23 PM
I keep calling FedEx Office "Kinkos". It's mostly an accident, and only partly because it's shorter.
I always called and still call it Kinko's, as the namesake was born in my old stomping grounds, Kent, OH.
Can you clarify? The founder of Kinko's was born and raised in Los Angeles, and the first Kinko's was opened next to the UC Santa Barbara campus.
That said, I still call it Kinko's as well - FedEx Office just doesn't flow off the tongue for me.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on June 08, 2020, 04:25:17 PM
Another country I still know by its former name: Swaziland (what now has the funky name of eSwatini). Even though it sounds too close to Switzerland.
Quote from: kkt on June 08, 2020, 03:12:55 PM
Quote from: Ketchup99 on June 06, 2020, 09:44:10 PM
Wow. I've heard they don't actually like that. I've heard when that was its name slaves got their limbs cut off for not meeting rubber quotas for the king. I've even heard that in the 21st century we're beginning to move on from defining entire nations by which trigger-happy Europeans got there first, planted a flag, and exploited its citizens...
Yes, the Belgians treated the people in their colony SO badly that even the other European colonial powers noticed!
Wow, so I guess I'll have to start calling the DRC "Zaire" instead.
I've seen them referred to as Congo-Kinshasa and Congo-Brazzaville before. Probably the easiest way to disambiguate.
Quote from: renegade on June 08, 2020, 08:38:09 PM
Quote from: GaryV on June 08, 2020, 04:36:17 PM
Quote from: renegade on June 08, 2020, 02:43:52 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on June 08, 2020, 10:13:08 AM
The local Family Fare is sometimes referred to as Glen's (a fairly recent former name) or even Prevo's (what the name was before it became Glen's)
I remember Glen's when it was called the Red Owl.
Were all the Glen's called Red Owl? I seem to remember Red Owl in the western part of the UP.
I can only speak for the ones in the Soo and St Ignace. Not sure about the others.
Per Wikipedia on Glen's:
QuoteThe chain expanded into the Upper Peninsula in 1986 by purchasing Red Owl locations in St. Ignace, Munising, Sault Ste. Marie, and Iron Mountain, along with a newly built store in Escanaba.
Glen's in the LP were not Red Owl.
Quote from: GaryV on June 09, 2020, 07:54:51 AM
Quote from: renegade on June 08, 2020, 08:38:09 PM
Quote from: GaryV on June 08, 2020, 04:36:17 PM
Quote from: renegade on June 08, 2020, 02:43:52 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on June 08, 2020, 10:13:08 AM
The local Family Fare is sometimes referred to as Glen's (a fairly recent former name) or even Prevo's (what the name was before it became Glen's)
I remember Glen's when it was called the Red Owl.
Were all the Glen's called Red Owl? I seem to remember Red Owl in the western part of the UP.
I can only speak for the ones in the Soo and St Ignace. Not sure about the others.
Per Wikipedia on Glen's:
QuoteThe chain expanded into the Upper Peninsula in 1986 by purchasing Red Owl locations in St. Ignace, Munising, Sault Ste. Marie, and Iron Mountain, along with a newly built store in Escanaba.
Glen's in the LP were not Red Owl.
I've never heard of Red Owl here.
Quote from: GaryV on June 09, 2020, 07:54:51 AM
Quote from: renegade on June 08, 2020, 08:38:09 PM
Quote from: GaryV on June 08, 2020, 04:36:17 PM
Quote from: renegade on June 08, 2020, 02:43:52 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on June 08, 2020, 10:13:08 AM
The local Family Fare is sometimes referred to as Glen's (a fairly recent former name) or even Prevo's (what the name was before it became Glen's)
I remember Glen's when it was called the Red Owl.
Were all the Glen's called Red Owl? I seem to remember Red Owl in the western part of the UP.
I can only speak for the ones in the Soo and St Ignace. Not sure about the others.
Per Wikipedia on Glen's:
QuoteThe chain expanded into the Upper Peninsula in 1986 by purchasing Red Owl locations in St. Ignace, Munising, Sault Ste. Marie, and Iron Mountain, along with a newly built store in Escanaba.
Glen's in the LP were not Red Owl.
Thanks for clarifying that. I wasn't sure.
Sure do miss the Red Owl, though.
Longs Drug Store which has its origins in the San Francisco area but somehow CVS Pharmacy managed to keep their Hawaii stores named as Longs Drugs
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/05/03/cvs-closing-dozens-stores-us-including-honolulu/ (https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/05/03/cvs-closing-dozens-stores-us-including-honolulu/)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CVS_Pharmacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CVS_Pharmacy)
Although some of the CVS owned Longs Drugs' has been renamed as CVS in Hawaii in 2019 due to the battle with Walgreens.
Our local Rite Aid converted (finally) to Walgreens a couple of months ago, but I still call them Rite Aid.
Quote from: DTComposer on June 09, 2020, 12:34:47 AM
Quote from: thenetwork on June 08, 2020, 10:32:05 PM
Quote from: kkt on June 08, 2020, 03:14:23 PM
I keep calling FedEx Office "Kinkos". It's mostly an accident, and only partly because it's shorter.
I always called and still call it Kinko's, as the namesake was born in my old stomping grounds, Kent, OH.
Can you clarify? The founder of Kinko’s was born and raised in Los Angeles, and the first Kinko’s was opened next to the UC Santa Barbara campus.
That said, I still call it Kinko’s as well - FedEx Office just doesn’t flow off the tongue for me.
This confuses me too, since a plaque commemorating the world's first Kinko's was unveiled (https://dailynexus.com/2005-10-07/locals-recall-kinkos-start-with-plaque/) my first quarter at UCSB.
Quote from: DTComposer on June 09, 2020, 12:34:47 AM
Quote from: thenetwork on June 08, 2020, 10:32:05 PM
Quote from: kkt on June 08, 2020, 03:14:23 PM
I keep calling FedEx Office "Kinkos". It's mostly an accident, and only partly because it's shorter.
I always called and still call it Kinko's, as the namesake was born in my old stomping grounds, Kent, OH.
Can you clarify? The founder of Kinko's was born and raised in Los Angeles, and the first Kinko's was opened next to the UC Santa Barbara campus.
That said, I still call it Kinko's as well - FedEx Office just doesn't flow off the tongue for me.
Mea culpa. I guess I was still a gullible college student back then. I thought it was founded there since they had the main store by Kent State, and then they had a corporate building of some sort on the west edge of town.
Quote from: hbelkins on June 09, 2020, 04:38:17 PM
Our local Rite Aid converted (finally) to Walgreens a couple of months ago, but I still call them Rite Aid.
Wonder how many people in Delaware and in Delaware County, PA still call Walgreens Happy Harry's.
There are only 1-2 Red Owls left. One being on 9th St. and 12th Ave. in Green Bay.
I never hear Rite Aid called Perry Drugs or CVS called Arbor Drugs.
Quote from: renegade on June 09, 2020, 02:38:25 PM
Quote from: GaryV on June 09, 2020, 07:54:51 AM
Quote from: renegade on June 08, 2020, 08:38:09 PM
Quote from: GaryV on June 08, 2020, 04:36:17 PM
Quote from: renegade on June 08, 2020, 02:43:52 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on June 08, 2020, 10:13:08 AM
The local Family Fare is sometimes referred to as Glen's (a fairly recent former name) or even Prevo's (what the name was before it became Glen's)
I remember Glen's when it was called the Red Owl.
Were all the Glen's called Red Owl? I seem to remember Red Owl in the western part of the UP.
I can only speak for the ones in the Soo and St Ignace. Not sure about the others.
Per Wikipedia on Glen's:
QuoteThe chain expanded into the Upper Peninsula in 1986 by purchasing Red Owl locations in St. Ignace, Munising, Sault Ste. Marie, and Iron Mountain, along with a newly built store in Escanaba.
Glen's in the LP were not Red Owl.
Thanks for clarifying that. I wasn't sure.
Sure do miss the Red Owl, though.
One Red Owl I recall was in Champion. My family used to camp at Van Riper State Park back in the '60s, and the Red Owl was the closest grocery store. The building still exists in pretty much its original configuration, now a bait shop. Not the largest store by any means but they seemed to have everything we needed.
https://goo.gl/maps/MrfCyYJvm8z3pSxB7
Quote from: catch22 on June 11, 2020, 08:20:09 AM
Quote from: renegade on June 09, 2020, 02:38:25 PM
Quote from: GaryV on June 09, 2020, 07:54:51 AM
Quote from: renegade on June 08, 2020, 08:38:09 PM
Quote from: GaryV on June 08, 2020, 04:36:17 PM
Quote from: renegade on June 08, 2020, 02:43:52 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on June 08, 2020, 10:13:08 AM
The local Family Fare is sometimes referred to as Glen's (a fairly recent former name) or even Prevo's (what the name was before it became Glen's)
I remember Glen's when it was called the Red Owl.
Were all the Glen's called Red Owl? I seem to remember Red Owl in the western part of the UP.
I can only speak for the ones in the Soo and St Ignace. Not sure about the others.
Per Wikipedia on Glen's:
QuoteThe chain expanded into the Upper Peninsula in 1986 by purchasing Red Owl locations in St. Ignace, Munising, Sault Ste. Marie, and Iron Mountain, along with a newly built store in Escanaba.
Glen's in the LP were not Red Owl.
Thanks for clarifying that. I wasn't sure.
Sure do miss the Red Owl, though.
One Red Owl I recall was in Champion. My family used to camp at Van Riper State Park back in the '60s, and the Red Owl was the closest grocery store. The building still exists in pretty much its original configuration, now a bait shop. Not the largest store by any means but they seemed to have everything we needed.
https://goo.gl/maps/MrfCyYJvm8z3pSxB7
We shopped at that store, must have been in 1990. We were at family camp at Camp Michigamme, and we needed baby food for my youngest. As I recall, they had about 2 choices of fruit and vegetables, maybe only 1 meat choice.
Was it maybe an IGA at that time?
Marine World Parkway (Former alignment for CA-37) in Vallejo, CA due to some leftover signage from decades ago but thats been since renamed as Lewis Brown, Dr since 2007-2008.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Route_37 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Route_37)
However CA-37 the current alignment in Vallejo, CA is currently known as the James Capoot Highway and Randy Bolt Highway officially by Caltrans.
Bumping this, because...
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on April 13, 2016, 01:25:40 PM
Kiev, always.
... this is no longer true. I've switched to Kyiv.
Where I live, "Aldi" is still widely used to refer to a supermarket chain unrelated to the German one, 20 years after it ceased to use that name (concurrently with the entrance of the German chain in Spain). It is now branded as Supermercados AltoAragón.
Camp Snoopy at the Mall of America (it's been Nickelodeon Universe for at least 15 years now)
Sears Tower. (probably in this long thread already)
Miller Park. (name change is too new to sink in)
Rib Mountain Ski Area. (I refuse to call it "Granite Peak" for two reasons: 1. The geographic prominence is called Rib Mountain. 2. It's not made of granite at all. It's 100% quartzite, a metamorphosed form of sandstone, so it's not even closely related to granite.)
Since this thread was revived -
Pine Knob is Pine Knob again. Everyone who continued to call it that through the DTE years is correct again.
Pretty much all 21st century South African town name changes.
Mile High for Invesco/Empower/Whatever the Hell It Is Now Stadium
Pepsi Center for Ball Arena
Carrier Dome :thumbsup: instead of JMA Wireless Dome :thumbdown: in Syracuse. Actually, I mean to use Carrier Dome. :nod:
Also, in Syracuse, it is still the Onondaga County War Memorial to me instead of Oncenter or the current name of Upstate Medical University Arena.
I still call what is now the Truist Arena on the campus of Northern Kentucky University, formerly the BB&T Arena, the Bank of Kentucky Center.
It is still the US Bank Arena to me instead of Heritage Bank Center in Cincinnati. If I had lived in Northern Kentucky before 1994, I probably would still call it Riverfront Coliseum.
What is now Thomas More Stadium, in which the Florence Freedom Y'alls play in the Frontier League, also formerly UC Health Stadium, I still call it Champion Window Field.
In all, I do mean to use these names.
I was showing my wife a map of Las Vegas and caught myself referring to LAS airport as McCarran, despite it being shown on the map as Harry Reid. I have no idea why–it's not like I've ever even been to Las Vegas, so it's not like I have an attachment to the name McCarran.
1st Mariner Arena/Royal Farms Arena
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 18, 2022, 02:15:01 AM
I was showing my wife a map of Las Vegas and caught myself referring to LAS airport as McCarran, despite it being shown on the map as Harry Reid. I have no idea why–it's not like I've ever even been to Las Vegas, so it's not like I have an attachment to the name McCarran.
Heck, I've been to Vegas a dozen times, and don't think I ever used "McCarran". I just say Las Vegas Airport, Vegas Airport, or LAS. And completely forgot the name changed.
Quote from: epzik8 on July 18, 2022, 06:33:31 AM
1st Mariner Arena/Royal Farms Arena
Nah. Baltimore Civic Center. Just like the XL, MassMutual, and Dunkin Donuts Centers are the Hartford, Springfield, and Providence Civic Centers. The DCU Center in Worcester will always be The Centrum, and Times-Union Arena in Albany will always be Knickerbocker Arena. I still call Highmark Stadium either Rich or Ralph Wilson Stadium, and occasionally call MetLife Giants Stadium (though the latter, which held so many great concert memories for me, sadly is no more).
Speaking of concerts, I still call many of the outdoor amphitheaters by their original names. XFinity Theatre and XFinity Center as The Meadows and Great Woods, Ruoff Music Center as Deer Creek, PNC Bank Arts Center as Garden State Arts Center
And just recently, Heinz Field in Pittsburgh is no more as they just changed naming rights from the famous ketchup and condiment company to some tech-based company that allegedly most people have never heard of -- Acrisure.
I'm willing to bet that most people will refer to the Steelers stadium as Heinz *or* Three Rivers before they utter the name of the new tech company -- Acrisure!
For the Kansas City folks, "Oklahoma Joe's". It is not, and will never be, KC Joe's.
Quote from: thenetwork on July 18, 2022, 09:19:52 AM
And just recently, Heinz Field in Pittsburgh is no more as they just changed naming rights from the famous ketchup and condiment company to some tech-based company that allegedly most people have never heard of -- Acrisure.
I'm willing to bet that most people will refer to the Steelers stadium as Heinz *or* Three Rivers before they utter the name of the new tech company -- Acrisure!
Another reason they never heard of it is that is a Michigan-based insurance comany.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 18, 2022, 07:35:54 AMQuote from: Scott5114 on July 18, 2022, 02:15:01 AMI was showing my wife a map of Las Vegas and caught myself referring to LAS airport as McCarran, despite it being shown on the map as Harry Reid. I have no idea why–it's not like I've ever even been to Las Vegas, so it's not like I have an attachment to the name McCarran.
Heck, I've been to Vegas a dozen times, and don't think I ever used "McCarran". I just say Las Vegas Airport, Vegas Airport, or LAS. And completely forgot the name changed.
I have actually called it "McCarran Airport" and flat-out did not know the name had changed. I am glad to find out it has! This said, I had not been aware of McCarran's reputation as a racist and anti-Semite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid_International_Airport), so I had been thinking more in terms of the McCarran Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarran_Internal_Security_Act) and his role as one of Joseph McCarthy's chief enablers.
Not really a problem where I live now because I'm relatively new here. But I had plenty in both St Louis where I lived for almost 30 years and in Green Bay where I was raised. I still refer to I-64 as Highway 40, Macy's as Famous or Famous-Barr, the arena where the Blues play as the Kiel, and the Missouri Botanical Garden as Shaw's Garden though the last was called the Missouri Botanical Garden when I arrived because all the locals use that name still.
I still refer to the paper mills in Green Bay by the names they had when I was a kid, Northern (where my dad worked), Charmin, and Fort Howard. The Frigo Bridge is still the Tower Drive Bridge and the Tillman is the Mason St Bridge. I'm sure if I-41 had been given a different number, people would still call it Highway 41. Downstate, I have used the term Miller Park but usually referred to the now American Family Field as Milwaukee County Stadium or just County Stadium. Thank heavens, Lambeau Field is still Lambeau and Camp Randall Stadium is still Camp Randall because they will always be those names to me.
Quote from: skluth on July 18, 2022, 02:56:05 PM
Tillman is the Mason St Bridge.
It was given the name since it opened in 1973, but most people call it the Mason St. Bridge. The Walnut St. Bridge was recently renamed the Bart Starr memorial bridge, but I still call it the Walnut St. bridge.
Quote from: J N Winkler on July 18, 2022, 12:48:54 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 18, 2022, 07:35:54 AMQuote from: Scott5114 on July 18, 2022, 02:15:01 AMI was showing my wife a map of Las Vegas and caught myself referring to LAS airport as McCarran, despite it being shown on the map as Harry Reid. I have no idea why–it's not like I've ever even been to Las Vegas, so it's not like I have an attachment to the name McCarran.
Heck, I've been to Vegas a dozen times, and don't think I ever used "McCarran". I just say Las Vegas Airport, Vegas Airport, or LAS. And completely forgot the name changed.
I have actually called it "McCarran Airport" and flat-out did not know the name had changed. I am glad to find out it has! This said, I had not been aware of McCarran's reputation as a racist and anti-Semite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid_International_Airport), so I had been thinking more in terms of the McCarran Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarran_Internal_Security_Act) and his role as one of Joseph McCarthy's chief enablers.
Best not look too deeply into Reid's history.
Quote from: skluth on July 18, 2022, 02:56:05 PM
Not really a problem where I live now because I'm relatively new here. But I had plenty in both St Louis where I lived for almost 30 years and in Green Bay where I was raised. I still refer to I-64 as Highway 40, Macy's as Famous or Famous-Barr, the arena where the Blues play as the Kiel, and the Missouri Botanical Garden as Shaw's Garden though the last was called the Missouri Botanical Garden when I arrived because all the locals use that name still.
I still refer to the paper mills in Green Bay by the names they had when I was a kid, Northern (where my dad worked), Charmin, and Fort Howard. The Frigo Bridge is still the Tower Drive Bridge and the Tillman is the Mason St Bridge. I'm sure if I-41 had been given a different number, people would still call it Highway 41. Downstate, I have used the term Miller Park but usually referred to the now American Family Field as Milwaukee County Stadium or just County Stadium. Thank heavens, Lambeau Field is still Lambeau and Camp Randall Stadium is still Camp Randall because they will always be those names to me.
I can see referring to most of those by their former names as that's what you were used to. Howefer it really doesn't work to call the former Miller Park, now American Family Field, as Milwaukee County Stadium, because they are two completely different buildings. If County Stadium had ever gotten a naming rights sponsor, I still would've called it County Stadium myself. And I agree with you on Lambeau and Camp Randall. Those two better never get corporate naming rights sponsors.
Quote from: Rothman on July 18, 2022, 08:59:23 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on July 18, 2022, 12:48:54 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 18, 2022, 07:35:54 AMQuote from: Scott5114 on July 18, 2022, 02:15:01 AMI was showing my wife a map of Las Vegas and caught myself referring to LAS airport as McCarran, despite it being shown on the map as Harry Reid. I have no idea why–it's not like I've ever even been to Las Vegas, so it's not like I have an attachment to the name McCarran.
Heck, I've been to Vegas a dozen times, and don't think I ever used "McCarran". I just say Las Vegas Airport, Vegas Airport, or LAS. And completely forgot the name changed.
I have actually called it "McCarran Airport" and flat-out did not know the name had changed. I am glad to find out it has! This said, I had not been aware of McCarran's reputation as a racist and anti-Semite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid_International_Airport), so I had been thinking more in terms of the McCarran Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarran_Internal_Security_Act) and his role as one of Joseph McCarthy's chief enablers.
Best not look too deeply into Reid's history.
They gonna change the name of McCarran Blvd in Reno, too?
I have family from Orange County, CA, some of whom are big baseball/softball fans. I have referred to the Angels as the Anaheim Angels in conversation with them. When we've watched their games, I noticed the team name was abbreviated as "LAA", so I got curious and looked it up, and they did in fact change their name to be the Los Angeles Angels.
Quote from: chrisdiaz on August 03, 2022, 01:21:03 AM
I have family from Orange County, CA, some of whom are big baseball/softball fans. I have referred to the Angels as the Anaheim Angels in conversation with them. When we've watched their games, I noticed the team name was abbreviated as "LAA", so I got curious and looked it up, and they did in fact change their name to be the Los Angeles Angels.
Some of us still deliberately call them Anaheim in order to not recognize their marketing stunt of changing their name to Los Angeles.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 03, 2022, 03:24:06 AM
Quote from: chrisdiaz on August 03, 2022, 01:21:03 AM
I have family from Orange County, CA, some of whom are big baseball/softball fans. I have referred to the Angels as the Anaheim Angels in conversation with them. When we've watched their games, I noticed the team name was abbreviated as "LAA", so I got curious and looked it up, and they did in fact change their name to be the Los Angeles Angels.
Some of us still deliberately call them Anaheim in order to not recognize their marketing stunt of changing their name to Los Angeles.
Go more old school and just use "California".
In Salamanca, there was a supermarket here for a while called Parkview. A couple years ago, a regional (like 7-8 locations in NY, PA, and OH) market chain called Sanders moved into that building, but all of the Parkview signs still stand, and they actually use the former Parkview name in their marketing, they call it the Sanders Parkview Supermarket. I'm pretty sure everyone, including myself, still just calls it Parkview though.
Quote from: chrisdiaz on August 03, 2022, 01:21:03 AM
I have family from Orange County, CA, some of whom are big baseball/softball fans. I have referred to the Angels as the Anaheim Angels in conversation with them. When we've watched their games, I noticed the team name was abbreviated as "LAA", so I got curious and looked it up, and they did in fact change their name to be the Los Angeles Angels.
I forget the Florida Marlins are the Miami Marlins, though they've actually played there for the last 10 years. But 20 years of marketing sort of stuck the "old location" it in my head. They still play their spring training games 3 hours north of Miami, so I look at it as how the Carolina Panthers practice in another state.
I still call the convention center in Detroit Cobo Hall even though it had been called Cobo Center and now TCF Center. I'll probably continue to do so as well. I even refer to Comerica Park as Tiger Stadium at times.
Lahey Clinic, Burlington, MA. It's Lahey Hospital now.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 05, 2022, 10:53:01 PM
I still call the convention center in Detroit Cobo Hall even though it had been called Cobo Center and now TCF Center.
You're a name behind - now it's Huntington Place.
Quote from: 1 on August 06, 2022, 06:07:07 AM
Lahey Clinic, Burlington, MA. It's Lahey Hospital now.
Many hospitals in Massachusetts are still referred to by their former names by residents (I.e. Beth Isrea; Deaconess in Needham is still Glover Hospital).
Actually, New Englanders are well-known for giving directions/referring to departed landmarks in conversation (take a left where the Almacs used to be).
Quote from: GaryV on August 06, 2022, 06:56:05 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 05, 2022, 10:53:01 PM
I still call the convention center in Detroit Cobo Hall even though it had been called Cobo Center and now TCF Center.
You're a name behind - now it's Huntington Place.
I have no idea how anyone would know where Huntington Place is at even the most diehard Detroiter would be stumped. Now say Cobo Hall and you know what we're talking about. I hate when they change the names of things.
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on August 06, 2022, 07:03:11 AM
Quote from: 1 on August 06, 2022, 06:07:07 AM
Lahey Clinic, Burlington, MA. It's Lahey Hospital now.
Many hospitals in Massachusetts are still referred to by their former names by residents (I.e. Beth Isrea; Deaconess in Needham is still Glover Hospital).
Same in CT. I still call The Hospital of Central CT New Britain General.
Tappan Zee Bridge across the Hudson River. Now it's the Gov. Mario M Cuomo Bridge.
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Whoever pinned the state notes threads in the Midwest board, I just want to say thank you.
What Midwest board? ;-)
I guess I'll be that one defiant person who keeps calling it the Midwest board. Because that's the name that first comes to mind.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on August 07, 2022, 02:39:46 PM
Tappan Zee Bridge across the Hudson River. Now it's the Gov. Mario M Cuomo Bridge.
Is there a single person on Earth who actually calls it the Gov. Mario M. Cuomo Bridge?
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Quote from: BlueOutback7 on August 07, 2022, 02:39:46 PM
Tappan Zee Bridge across the Hudson River. Now it's the Gov. Mario M Cuomo Bridge.
Is there a single person on Earth who actually calls it the Gov. Mario M. Cuomo Bridge?
I don't think so, but "Cuomo Bridge" is enough to count as the new name and be unambiguous.
Someone in the "topics in 2064" thread mentioned a fictional extension of I-287 across Long Island Sound named after Andrew Cuomo, but this is less likely now because naming something after someone who resigned in a scandal is uncommon. Even if that did happen, they would be distinguished as "Mario Cuomo Bridge" and "Andrew Cuomo Bridge", no title, no middle initial.
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I have family from Orange County, CA, some of whom are big baseball/softball fans. I have referred to the Angels as the Anaheim Angels in conversation with them. When we've watched their games, I noticed the team name was abbreviated as "LAA", so I got curious and looked it up, and they did in fact change their name to be the Los Angeles Angels.
Some of us still deliberately call them Anaheim in order to not recognize their marketing stunt of changing their name to Los Angeles.
Go more old school and just use "California".
Do people still refer to the Arizona Cardinals/Coyotes as Phoenix?
Kauffman Stadium will always be Royals Stadium to me, because that was the name it opened under.
I see some hospitals and medical facilities mentioned upthread. This one is kind of backwards. Historically, the general hospital facility at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill was known as North Carolina Memorial Hospital. I wasn't around here back then, so I'm just following the locals and call it "UNC" with no differentiation between the university or the hospital. If you are talking about a medical condition, everybody knows. (The same goes for when folks here say that they are going to "Duke").
However, recently most of the signage for the main campus of UNC Medical Center have been changed over to say "North Carolina Memorial Hospital" once again. Not sure if the old signage plans were simply copied, or if this was intentional (possibly because of the location of UNC Hospitals Hillsborough, which sits right beside I-40).
Commonwealth Stadium. I don't care that UK sold the naming rights to an Ohio grocery chain and the official name is now "Kroger Field."
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Quote from: BlueOutback7 on August 07, 2022, 02:39:46 PM
Tappan Zee Bridge across the Hudson River. Now it's the Gov. Mario M Cuomo Bridge.
Is there a single person on Earth who actually calls it the Gov. Mario M. Cuomo Bridge?
I don't think so, but "Cuomo Bridge" is enough to count as the new name and be unambiguous.
Someone in the "topics in 2064" thread mentioned a fictional extension of I-287 across Long Island Sound named after Andrew Cuomo, but this is less likely now because naming something after someone who resigned in a scandal is uncommon. Even if that did happen, they would be distinguished as "Mario Cuomo Bridge" and "Andrew Cuomo Bridge", no title, no middle initial.
I've been referring to it as "the GMCB" as of late.
In that light, For the currently indeterminate future, the National League Milwaukee Brewers will be playing their home games at Miller Park.
:cool:
:cheers:
Mike
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Quote from: 1 on September 22, 2022, 09:45:19 AM
Quote from: kirbykart on September 22, 2022, 09:40:04 AM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on August 07, 2022, 02:39:46 PM
Tappan Zee Bridge across the Hudson River. Now it's the Gov. Mario M Cuomo Bridge.
Is there a single person on Earth who actually calls it the Gov. Mario M. Cuomo Bridge?
I don't think so, but "Cuomo Bridge" is enough to count as the new name and be unambiguous.
Someone in the "topics in 2064" thread mentioned a fictional extension of I-287 across Long Island Sound named after Andrew Cuomo, but this is less likely now because naming something after someone who resigned in a scandal is uncommon. Even if that did happen, they would be distinguished as "Mario Cuomo Bridge" and "Andrew Cuomo Bridge", no title, no middle initial.
I've been referring to it as "the GMCB" as of late.
GMC Bridge is easy to remember, at least.
I will always refer to Denali as Mount McKinley. When I say this its not out of disrespect for the former name either. I know it got rebranded to its original name as recent politicians have been thinking the generations of the 20th century were disrespectful (according to some in DC) and though they would correct a past error, but because its hard to let go of old names. Though in my heart its a mountain peak adored by many generations past and to come.
Its like I refer to the NY Thruway as The Thruway whether its I-87 or I-90. It don't mean I'm being disrespectful to the two route numbers or that I refuse to call them by what they are, its just the thing to call it.
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Quote from: BlueOutback7 on August 07, 2022, 02:39:46 PM
Tappan Zee Bridge across the Hudson River. Now it's the Gov. Mario M Cuomo Bridge.
Is there a single person on Earth who actually calls it the Gov. Mario M. Cuomo Bridge?
I don't think so, but "Cuomo Bridge" is enough to count as the new name and be unambiguous.
Someone in the "topics in 2064" thread mentioned a fictional extension of I-287 across Long Island Sound named after Andrew Cuomo, but this is less likely now because naming something after someone who resigned in a scandal is uncommon. Even if that did happen, they would be distinguished as "Mario Cuomo Bridge" and "Andrew Cuomo Bridge", no title, no middle initial.
I've been referring to it as "the GMCB" as of late.
GMC Bridge is easy to remember, at least.
Sounds more like a corporate name, as if the truck company sponsored it.
Quote from: busman_49 on March 22, 2016, 03:27:20 PM
The Cleveland Indians' stadium will always be Jacob's Field to me (as opposed to its current moniker, Progressive Field). For that matter, The "Q" will always be the Gund Arena for me.
But what do you call the place the Guardians play?? :-D
We have two hospitals in Saginaw that merged several years ago, probably 20 years ago. They are called Covenant Cooper and Covenant Harrison (due to the name of the streets they are on, one on Cooper and one on Harrison). Covenant Cooper used to be called St. Lukes Hospital and Covenant Harrison used to be called Saginaw General Hospital. I still call both by their original names.
Heinz Field Pittsburgh
Staples Center LA
Deer Creek Amphitheater Indianapolis area
SM-G996U
I live in KC. I refer to the amphitheater in Bonner Springs (which seems to have a new corporate name every couple years) as Sandstone.
Also, I often call T-Mobile Center Sprint Center, and I sometimes call Kauffman Stadium Royals Stadium. In addition, I often refer to I-49 in Missouri as Highway 71 (which I'm sure most locals still do).
Across the state in St. Louis, I sometimes refer to I-64 as Highway 40.
Quote from: kirbykart on September 22, 2022, 09:40:04 AM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on August 07, 2022, 02:39:46 PM
Tappan Zee Bridge across the Hudson River. Now it's the Gov. Mario M Cuomo Bridge.
Is there a single person on Earth who actually calls it the Gov. Mario M. Cuomo Bridge?
Yes, but they all have the last name Cuomo.
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Quote from: BlueOutback7 on August 07, 2022, 02:39:46 PM
Tappan Zee Bridge across the Hudson River. Now it's the Gov. Mario M Cuomo Bridge.
Is there a single person on Earth who actually calls it the Gov. Mario M. Cuomo Bridge?
Yes, but they all have the last name Cuomo.
Does anyone call the RFK bridge by that or still refer to it as the Triborough Bridge?
In Kissimmee, FL the road Boggy Creek Road parts renamed as Simpson and Fortune Roads to avoid ambiguity, when I drive down the Simpson Part I feel that I'm driving Boggy Creek Road. Don't discuss the road with others, but to me it's still the old.
Yet nearby when Bermuda Avenue was renamed John Young Parkway, I managed to get used to it real quickly being John Young existed in nearby Orange County had the name on the same road across the line from Kissimmee for years.
In Orange County, FL the residents in south part of the county were already calling Old Dixie Highway ( this too was long before the SC Church shooting made the old south controversial) as Orange Avenue before county commissioners voted to make Old Dixie as Orange to keep continuity. The thing was Orange Avenue and Old Dixie Highway were never a continuous alignment in the first place. Old Dixie defaulted to Central Florida Parkway and Orange defaulted into Whetherbee Road. You had only Zell Drive to connect what would become the two discontinued segments. Now since the county widened and realigned Orange Avenue over the CSX Rail Line now the two parts are continuous from Osceola Parkway in Kissimmee to Fairbanks Avenue in Winter Park minus two one way segments that are SB only.
I still keep catching myself referring to
"Port Columbus International Airport"
instead of
"John Glenn Columbus International Airport"
and it's been several years now hasn't it? They changed the name a few months before he died.
I'll always chop off the additional text in front of Lake Shore Drive in Chicago.
The street opposite the Ike is Congress Parkway
That tall building by said Congress Parkway is the Sears Tower
The tunnel between the Brooklyn and the Battery is the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel
That long bridge from the Upper East Side to Queens Plaza is the Queensboro Bridge.
Quote from: mgk920 on September 22, 2022, 02:03:06 PMIn that light, For the currently indeterminate future, the National League Milwaukee Brewers will be playing their home games at Miller Park.
:cool:
:cheers:
and the road passing by is Miller Park Way.
Names of airports: Washington National, Atlanta, O'Hare, BWI - I never use overly long names.
I still have a hard time with "Washington Commanders". I'll get used to it, but I'll almost say their old name, realize it's offensive, and then think "Football Team - wait, don't they have a new name now?"
Gulf of Mexico :bigass:
Quote from: roadman65 on February 22, 2025, 09:39:39 PMGulf of Mexico :bigass:
The thread is for former names.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on February 22, 2025, 10:08:55 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 22, 2025, 09:39:39 PMGulf of Mexico :bigass:
The thread is for former names.
According to the United States Government, that is the current name
Quote from: kernals12 on February 23, 2025, 07:39:01 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on February 22, 2025, 10:08:55 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 22, 2025, 09:39:39 PMGulf of Mexico :bigass:
The thread is for former names.
According to the United States Government, that is the current name
I agree that Gulf of Mexico is the current name.
Lake Shore Dr (in Chicago)
Edit
Freedom Parkway (in Atlanta)
"The" University of Georgia (about a decade ago they looked up the founding documents and noticed there was no "the", so all newer university branding doesn't have "the")
I always call the White Sox ballpark Comiskey. I always call the Willis Tower the Sears Tower.
Quote from: kernals12 on February 23, 2025, 07:39:01 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on February 22, 2025, 10:08:55 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 22, 2025, 09:39:39 PMGulf of Mexico :bigass:
The thread is for former names.
According to the United States Government, that is the current name
Only advisory...which is why the executive branch is using it. It needs an act of Congress to be official.
Quote from: kernals12 on February 23, 2025, 07:39:01 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on February 22, 2025, 10:08:55 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 22, 2025, 09:39:39 PMGulf of Mexico :bigass:
The thread is for former names.
According to the United States Government, that is the current name
"According to the United States Government" is not how you want to start a sentence in 2025.
Setting aside the silliness of 'Gulf of America'... Even if that 'new' name really did start to catch on, I still strongly suspect I'd continue using the old one.
'Denali'
Also, it is back to 'Fort Bragg, NC'.
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on February 24, 2025, 11:55:37 AM'Denali'
Also, it is back to 'Fort Bragg, NC'.
Named after a different Bragg though.
Quote from: mgk920 on February 24, 2025, 11:55:37 AM'Denali'
Also, it is back to 'Fort Bragg, NC'.
Mike
What about Fort Hood in Texas or Fort Gordon in Georgia?
Quote from: kphoger on February 24, 2025, 10:44:16 AMSetting aside the silliness of 'Gulf of America'... Even if that 'new' name really did start to catch on, I still strongly suspect I'd continue using the old one.
I have always called the Gulf by its always name and still will. To me it's silly and that includes renaming military and mountain peaks, especially if it's one man and a pen.
One thing if congress changed it from civic pressure, but a president to use executive order privileges is likely a monarchy m/o,. which is why we succeeded from England in 1776 in the first place to have freedom from dictators.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 24, 2025, 01:53:24 PMQuote from: mgk920 on February 24, 2025, 11:55:37 AM'Denali'
Also, it is back to 'Fort Bragg, NC'.
Mike
What about Fort Hood in Texas or Fort Gordon in Georgia?
Quote from: kphoger on February 24, 2025, 10:44:16 AMSetting aside the silliness of 'Gulf of America'... Even if that 'new' name really did start to catch on, I still strongly suspect I'd continue using the old one.
I have always called the Gulf by its always name and still will. To me it's silly and that includes renaming military and mountain peaks, especially if it's one man and a pen.
I think they are only changing Bragg back because it was given a rather generic name (Fort Liberty) and because they had another Bragg they could use.
As for Hood and Gordan, I don't think a single base should be named in honor of confederate figures who engaged in armed rebellion against the United States. The new names honor those who faught and sacrificed in honor of the United States.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 24, 2025, 01:53:24 PMwhich is why we succeeded seceded from England in 1776 in the first place to have freedom from dictators.
I'm not so sure George III was quite the tyrant that the American colonists made him out to be.
Quote from: kphoger on February 24, 2025, 01:59:51 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 24, 2025, 01:53:24 PMwhich is why we succeeded seceded from England in 1776 in the first place to have freedom from dictators.
I'm not so sure George III was quite the tyrant that the American colonists made him out to be.
Blame Autocorrect for succeed.
Then again today's America has certain politicians branded as tyrants and not just Trump. Rush Limbaugh had Bill Clinton pegged as holding America hostage.
Some people called Obama dangerous and a spy for Islam, while others were accusing Harris at election time as being like the Left calling Trump another Hitler now.
But anyway we did fight England for freedom of a monarchy government.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on February 24, 2025, 01:57:33 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 24, 2025, 01:53:24 PMQuote from: mgk920 on February 24, 2025, 11:55:37 AM'Denali'
Also, it is back to 'Fort Bragg, NC'.
Mike
What about Fort Hood in Texas or Fort Gordon in Georgia?
Quote from: kphoger on February 24, 2025, 10:44:16 AMSetting aside the silliness of 'Gulf of America'... Even if that 'new' name really did start to catch on, I still strongly suspect I'd continue using the old one.
I have always called the Gulf by its always name and still will. To me it's silly and that includes renaming military and mountain peaks, especially if it's one man and a pen.
I think they are only changing Bragg back because it was given a rather generic name (Fort Liberty) and because they had another Bragg they could use.
As for Hood and Gordan, I don't think a single base should be named in honor of confederate figures who engaged in armed rebellion against the United States. The new names honor those who faught and sacrificed in honor of the United States.
Well Robert E. Lee was a Confederate General, but if his name removed from places this needs to be considered that Lee was anti slavery.
His joining the Confederacy was loyalty to the state he lived in. Lee in fact despised slavery, but fought out of allegiance like many WWII soldiers who hated the war at the time. Ditto for Korea and Vietnam. You could very well be in the military and fight a war you despise personally as allegiance to a government that stands for liberty despite others on authority forgetting why they are there.
Yes I know naming Fort Hood would be like the Catholic Church naming a parish after Satan.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 24, 2025, 02:25:44 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on February 24, 2025, 01:57:33 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 24, 2025, 01:53:24 PMQuote from: mgk920 on February 24, 2025, 11:55:37 AM'Denali'
Also, it is back to 'Fort Bragg, NC'.
Mike
What about Fort Hood in Texas or Fort Gordon in Georgia?
Quote from: kphoger on February 24, 2025, 10:44:16 AMSetting aside the silliness of 'Gulf of America'... Even if that 'new' name really did start to catch on, I still strongly suspect I'd continue using the old one.
I have always called the Gulf by its always name and still will. To me it's silly and that includes renaming military and mountain peaks, especially if it's one man and a pen.
I think they are only changing Bragg back because it was given a rather generic name (Fort Liberty) and because they had another Bragg they could use.
As for Hood and Gordan, I don't think a single base should be named in honor of confederate figures who engaged in armed rebellion against the United States. The new names honor those who faught and sacrificed in honor of the United States.
Well Robert E. Lee was a Confederate General, but if his name removed from places this needs to be considered that Lee was anti slavery.
His joining the Confederacy was loyalty to the state he lived in. Lee in fact despised slavery, but fought out of allegiance like many WWII soldiers who hated the war at the time. Ditto for Korea and Vietnam. You could very well be in the military and fight a war you despise personally as allegiance to a government that stands for liberty despite others on authority forgetting why they are there.
Yes I know naming Fort Hood would be like the Catholic Church naming a parish after Satan.
I'm glad Lee was anti-slavery. But he still engaged in armed rebellion against the United States. Furthermore, he lost.
And I don't care WHY he joined the Confederacy - that's a choice that he made. He's lucky the USA treated them as nicely as they did. But he shouldn't be honored by naming a military base after them.
Quote from: kernals12 on February 23, 2025, 07:39:01 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on February 22, 2025, 10:08:55 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 22, 2025, 09:39:39 PMGulf of Mexico :bigass:
The thread is for former names.
According to the United States Government, that is the current name
A fun fact you learn living in Nevada is that just because the government wants everyone to do something (like stop at red lights, or buy a license plate) doesn't necessarily mean that people are going to do it.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on February 24, 2025, 01:57:33 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 24, 2025, 01:53:24 PMWhat about Fort Hood in Texas or Fort Gordon in Georgia?
As for Hood and Gordan, I don't think a single base should be named in honor of confederate figures who engaged in armed rebellion against the United States. The new names honor those who faught and sacrificed in honor of the United States.
They should rename Fort Hood to Fort Hoodie and change the uniform accordingly. I think this is needed.
Quote from: Dr Frankenstein on February 26, 2015, 02:08:13 PMI still frequently use "Ottawa River Parkway" without meaning it, and it's as if Canadiens de Montréal Avenue didn't exist (I still call it Gauchetière all the time).
My family still gets onto A-30 from 132/201 in Valleyfield, as well as from 132 in Saint-Constant.
I still call the gap of A-610 as A-10 and I still refer the A-20 as "Transcanadienne" while I still refer René-Lévesque Blvd in Quebec city as St-Cyrille Blvd. Also, I still use sometimes Smith Blvd in Thetford Mines despite it's now known as Frotenac Blvd since its amalgation with Black Lake, Pontbriand and Robertsonville in 2002.
I was born at Fort Hood and that's what I will always call it, especially in the context of where I was born. It's not like my birth certificate suddenly has some other name in that box.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on February 24, 2025, 12:12:14 PMQuote from: mgk920 on February 24, 2025, 11:55:37 AM'Denali'
Also, it is back to 'Fort Bragg, NC'.
Named after a different Bragg though.
I think it's a major disrespect to Roland Bragg when they're just using his name as a front to revert it to the Confederate general whose name was taken off it.
I miss A-720.
Quote from: Rothman on February 24, 2025, 06:48:20 PMI miss A-720.
See, I mean to use that former name, because the change in designation is stupid.
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on February 24, 2025, 04:42:19 PMI still refer the A-20 as "Transcanadienne"
Most of it is still the Transcanadienne, yes.
Quote from: Rothman on February 24, 2025, 06:48:20 PMI miss A-720.
You're not the only one, I also miss A-755 and A-51.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan3561 on February 24, 2025, 05:16:37 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on February 24, 2025, 12:12:14 PMQuote from: mgk920 on February 24, 2025, 11:55:37 AM'Denali'
Also, it is back to 'Fort Bragg, NC'.
Named after a different Bragg though.
I think it's a major disrespect to Roland Bragg when they're just using his name as a front to revert it to the Confederate general whose name was taken off it.
What about Eisenhower in August, GA. Aren't they disrespecting his name by only naming the installation because Gordon was a Confederate and people like Derek Chauvin committed murder because of Confederate praise that he only got a mention there.
BTW I'm not convinced that Derek Chauvin was a racist because of names like Braxton Bragg or Jefferson Davis, but because he had the same MO as those in the old South, but apparently that's the bandwagon that started the name changes.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 26, 2025, 03:17:29 PMQuote from: TheHighwayMan3561 on February 24, 2025, 05:16:37 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on February 24, 2025, 12:12:14 PMQuote from: mgk920 on February 24, 2025, 11:55:37 AM'Denali'
Also, it is back to 'Fort Bragg, NC'.
Named after a different Bragg though.
I think it's a major disrespect to Roland Bragg when they're just using his name as a front to revert it to the Confederate general whose name was taken off it.
What about Eisenhower in August, GA. Aren't they disrespecting his name by only naming the installation because Gordon was a Confederate and people like Derek Chauvin committed murder because of Confederate praise that he only got a mention there.
BTW I'm not convinced that Derek Chauvin was a racist because of names like Braxton Bragg or Jefferson Davis, but because he had the same MO as those in the old South, but apparently that's the bandwagon that started the name changes.
What??? Not a damn word of this post makes any sense at all.
What does someone who was elected President in 1952 have to do with a guy who murdered someone in 2020?
- Confederate names, Gulf of America, etc. Politics. Argue politics elsewhere. You are not going to change anyone's mind, no matter what your ideas are.
- Airports. In the outside world, IMHO, 99% of people apply the "taxi driver rule". If "take me to the airport" is a sufficient request, that is what people say. "Take me to the airport" will get you to ATL from anywhere in the Atlanta metro. How many cabbies do you think are asked to take people to "Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport"? How about probably zero. Same goes for Thurgood Marshall, John Glenn, Chuck Yeager, or whoever. In the few places where more is needed, a standard lingo has developed. Such as "take me to LaGuardia" (or JFK/Kennedy, or Newark), or "take me to Dulles" (or National/Reagan National or BWI), etc. Within airports, same rule applies within the airport. If you are flying to Columbus, you look for a gate labeled "Columbus" not "Port Columbus" and certainly not "John Glenn Port Columbus Airport". If you are going to Boston, you look for a gate labeled "Boston", not "Logan", which I assume would get you to the home of Utah State University, and certainly not "General Edward Lawrence Logan International Airport". Again if more is needed, a standard lingo already exists, such as "JFK", "DFW", "Dulles", "Hobby", or "Midway". BTW, the full name of my local airport, which gets the same number of international flights it always has, which is to say zero, has been changed by the local politicians to "Charles 'Chuck' Yeager West Virginia International Airport" on the silly idea that you can call ahead and one of the security guards at the federal courthouse, who has been cross-trained, will, at your expense, meet your private plane, which probably happens maybe once a year. Everyone still calls it "the airport". The WV DOH refused to go along and just changed the sign on the interstate from "Yeager Airport" to "CRW Airport".
- Venues. Same rule applies. In sports, if someone says "the Bengals are at the Steelers", that is all the information needed. I don't care which insurance company sponsors the stadium. It is "at the Steelers". All that is needed. Again, the "taxi driver rule" applies. If get me to the football stadium/ball park/arena is good enough, that is all you get. Similarly, most secondary cities, and many primary ones, simply have one venue. If you say a concert is in Huntington, or Lexington, or Roanoke, or even Greensboro, you know where it is, no further discussion of dead politicians is needed.
Quote from: SP Cook on February 26, 2025, 04:25:55 PM- ...Gulf of America ... Politics. Argue politics elsewhere. You are not going to change anyone's mind, no matter what your ideas are.
At least with this one, I think there are zero people to convince. Nobody thinks it's a good name.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 24, 2025, 02:16:11 PMQuote from: kphoger on February 24, 2025, 01:59:51 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 24, 2025, 01:53:24 PMwhich is why we succeeded seceded from England in 1776 in the first place to have freedom from dictators.
I'm not so sure George III was quite the tyrant that the American colonists made him out to be.
Blame Autocorrect for succeed.
Then again today's America has certain politicians branded as tyrants and not just Trump. Rush Limbaugh had Bill Clinton pegged as holding America hostage.
Some people called Obama dangerous and a spy for Islam, while others were accusing Harris at election time as being like the Left calling Trump another Hitler now.
But anyway we did fight England for freedom of a monarchy government.
Our quarrel was not with George. By the 1770s the decisions in the UK were made by Parliament and the Prime Minister. It was their policy to tax the colonies to pay for their defense.
The colonies previously enjoyed the ideal situation: they governed themselves, annexed as much land in the west as they wanted, and then if they ran into trouble from another country or hostile Native Americans they called London and they sent and paid for the army for their defense.
Quote from: SP Cook on February 26, 2025, 04:25:55 PMSimilarly, most secondary cities, and many primary ones, simply have one venue. If you say a concert is in Huntington, or Lexington, or Roanoke, or even Greensboro, you know where it is, no further discussion of dead politicians is needed.
Huh?
If I were to say a concert were in "Oklahoma City" or "Norman"—neither of which are particularly large cities or any way unusual in terms of amenities offered for a town of their size—there are still dozens of venues that could hold a concert. Paycom Center? Tower Theater? Criterion? The Zoo Amphitheater? Lloyd Noble? Hell, both cities have
parks that a concert could conceivably be held at. And all of these venues get regular use because they accommodate different types of events and audiences better. You wouldn't book Taylor Swift at the Tower Theater because it only holds a couple hundred people.
I can't imagine that the same is not true of any of settlement which is large enough to draw out-of-town acts.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 24, 2025, 02:25:44 PMif his name removed from places this needs to be considered that Lee was anti slavery.
Lee SAID that he was anti-slavery and maybe he did feel moral objections to it... but talk is cheap. When it came down to it, he managed slaves on behalf of his wife who inherited them with the provision in the will that they be freed within five years. Lee worked the slaves as hard as any other slaveowner, had them whipped like any other slaveowner, and did NOT free them within five years as the will provided. He filed with the court to allow an extension, which the court denied. He did free those slaves, but only after the court ruled against him.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 26, 2025, 04:46:42 PMQuote from: SP Cook on February 26, 2025, 04:25:55 PMSimilarly, most secondary cities, and many primary ones, simply have one venue. If you say a concert is in Huntington, or Lexington, or Roanoke, or even Greensboro, you know where it is, no further discussion of dead politicians is needed.
Huh?
If I were to say a concert were in "Oklahoma City" or "Norman"—neither of which are particularly large cities or any way unusual in terms of amenities offered for a town of their size—there are still dozens of venues that could hold a concert. Paycom Center? Tower Theater? Criterion? The Zoo Amphitheater? Lloyd Noble? Hell, both cities have parks that a concert could conceivably be held at. And all of these venues get regular use because they accommodate different types of events and audiences better. You wouldn't book Taylor Swift at the Tower Theater because it only holds a couple hundred people.
I can't imagine that the same is not true of any of settlement which is large enough to draw out-of-town acts.
There are a handful of smaller concert venues in Lexington, but I would mildly disagree with SP on the use of a dead politician's name (or a dead basketball coach). "Take me to Rupp Arena" or just "Take me to Rupp" would suffice. No one is going to call it "Cawood's Court at Rupp Arena at Central Bank Center."
Quote from: kkt on February 26, 2025, 05:01:23 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 24, 2025, 02:25:44 PMif his name removed from places this needs to be considered that Lee was anti slavery.
Lee SAID that he was anti-slavery and maybe he did feel moral objections to it... but talk is cheap. When it came down to it, he managed slaves on behalf of his wife who inherited them with the provision in the will that they be freed within five years. Lee worked the slaves as hard as any other slaveowner, had them whipped like any other slaveowner, and did NOT free them within five years as the will provided. He filed with the court to allow an extension, which the court denied. He did free those slaves, but only after the court ruled against him.
I am only going by what I learned in Political Science at Valencia College in Central Florida. My proffesor taught the class Lee was anti slavery and that was in 1992-93.
He touched briefly discussing the Civil War which was not so much as ending slavery as preserving the Union.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 26, 2025, 05:58:21 PMQuote from: kkt on February 26, 2025, 05:01:23 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 24, 2025, 02:25:44 PMif his name removed from places this needs to be considered that Lee was anti slavery.
Lee SAID that he was anti-slavery and maybe he did feel moral objections to it... but talk is cheap. When it came down to it, he managed slaves on behalf of his wife who inherited them with the provision in the will that they be freed within five years. Lee worked the slaves as hard as any other slaveowner, had them whipped like any other slaveowner, and did NOT free them within five years as the will provided. He filed with the court to allow an extension, which the court denied. He did free those slaves, but only after the court ruled against him.
I am only going by what I learned in Political Science at Valencia College in Central Florida. My proffesor taught the class Lee was anti slavery and that was in 1992-93.
He touched briefly discussing the Civil War which was not so much as ending slavery as preserving the Union.
So you're going to base all your knowledge on what you learned up until 1993?
Quote from: SEWIGuy on February 26, 2025, 06:27:54 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 26, 2025, 05:58:21 PMQuote from: kkt on February 26, 2025, 05:01:23 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 24, 2025, 02:25:44 PMif his name removed from places this needs to be considered that Lee was anti slavery.
Lee SAID that he was anti-slavery and maybe he did feel moral objections to it... but talk is cheap. When it came down to it, he managed slaves on behalf of his wife who inherited them with the provision in the will that they be freed within five years. Lee worked the slaves as hard as any other slaveowner, had them whipped like any other slaveowner, and did NOT free them within five years as the will provided. He filed with the court to allow an extension, which the court denied. He did free those slaves, but only after the court ruled against him.
I am only going by what I learned in Political Science at Valencia College in Central Florida. My proffesor taught the class Lee was anti slavery and that was in 1992-93.
He touched briefly discussing the Civil War which was not so much as ending slavery as preserving the Union.
So you're going to base all your knowledge on what you learned up until 1993?
That's not what I said.
I just responded to kkt that the college in the Orlando Area teachers taught me what he said was only partially true.
No I don't think anybody stops learning except for a few stubborn folks I think many of us know in our personal lives and a former friend who dropped out of high school back in the day cause he didn't like to sit and listen to the teachers cause he knew everything including that seatbelts don't save lives.
I just witnessed a post on FB showing a road bridge overpass in Scranton. Someone asked if it were the President Joe Biden Expressway and multiple responses said that it's The Central Scranton Expressway in many forms. One user said he wouldn't call it the former president's name.
So that's one road that is not what the OP wants, but is at least calling a road by its original name.
Quote from: kkt on February 26, 2025, 04:42:01 PMThe colonies previously enjoyed the ideal situation: they governed themselves, annexed as much land in the west as they wanted, and then if they ran into trouble from another country or hostile Native Americans they called London and they sent and paid for the army for their defense.
And at this point I'm convinced that nothing has fundamentally changed with respect to our mindset since then.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 26, 2025, 05:58:21 PMQuote from: kkt on February 26, 2025, 05:01:23 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 24, 2025, 02:25:44 PMif his name removed from places this needs to be considered that Lee was anti slavery.
Lee SAID that he was anti-slavery and maybe he did feel moral objections to it... but talk is cheap. When it came down to it, he managed slaves on behalf of his wife who inherited them with the provision in the will that they be freed within five years. Lee worked the slaves as hard as any other slaveowner, had them whipped like any other slaveowner, and did NOT free them within five years as the will provided. He filed with the court to allow an extension, which the court denied. He did free those slaves, but only after the court ruled against him.
I am only going by what I learned in Political Science at Valencia College in Central Florida. My proffesor taught the class Lee was anti slavery and that was in 1992-93.
He touched briefly discussing the Civil War which was not so much as ending slavery as preserving the Union.
Ah, the Lost Cause. Belongs in the dustbin.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 24, 2025, 01:53:24 PMOne thing if congress changed it from civic pressure, but a president to use executive order privileges is likely a monarchy m/o,. which is why we succeeded from England in 1776 in the first place to have freedom from dictators.
The US president was given more power and prerogative George III ever had.
The sudden change in ~1775 to rile against King George, rather than merely his ministers, is because the colonial protesters thought the king had a lot more power than he actually had and were annoyed with him not doing what they had repeatedly petitioned him to do (even though he was powerless to do so) in the decade before. In Britain, the colonial complainers were seen as Royalists because they were asking the king to behave like James II (if not the Tyrant Charles I) and he not only wouldn't, but couldn't, behave so.
The Westminster system divides ministerial power and monarchical authority: the king is powerless to do anything much, save what his ministers advise (though, in practice, the advisory role is the monarch's, not the minister's), and ministers don't have the authority to do anything save in the king's name.
The US separated powers, but reunited authority and power. The US president has authority to exercise absolutely within the constitutional powers he is given. The British monarch has absolute authority to exercise the power other people have.
So, sure, George III had full legislative authority, but he only really had the power of veto (and the US president has that). And George III had full judicial authority, but even his pardon power was much more constrained than the US president (it was mostly on advice of ministers, rather than carte blanche of POTUS). George III had full executive authority, but he only really had the power to give out a few medals that were the direct gift of the monarch.
George was also the "head of state," so he was a natural symbol of the revolution.
Quote from: english si on February 27, 2025, 10:25:52 AMThe sudden change in ~1775 to rile against King George, rather than merely his ministers, is because the colonial protesters thought the king had a lot more power than he actually had and were annoyed with him not doing what they had repeatedly petitioned him to do (even though he was powerless to do so) in the decade before.
I doubt that those who wrote the Declaration of Independence were quite so naive as you make them to be. They were a pretty savvy bunch of people.
Part of the text: "The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."
Followed by a list of "He has ..." reasons for declaring independence. One of which, incidentally, was for dissolution of Parliament.
Quote from: english si on February 27, 2025, 10:25:52 AMThe sudden change in ~1775 to rile against King George, rather than merely his ministers, is because the colonial protesters thought the king had a lot more power than he actually had and were annoyed with him not doing what they had repeatedly petitioned him to do (even though he was powerless to do so) in the decade before.
Americans removing someone's authority over them for not doing anything about something that he had no ability to do anything about? Say it ain't so.
Also, IIRC, while a lot of the colonists' grievances were with the Parliament, there were apparently a few MPs at the time who were sympathetic to the colonists complaints, so the people who drafted the Declaration of Independence painted the devil horns on George to avoid potentially losing their allies in the Parliament, as I understand it.
Quote from: GaryV on February 27, 2025, 01:52:39 PMI doubt that those who wrote the Declaration of Independence were quite so naive as you make them to be. They were a pretty savvy bunch of people.
The entire build up could be described as both sides talking past each other because they just had a different understanding of the British Constitution (our one is a living document - and not all written down in one place either). Both sides were behaving reasonably and rationally, but in different frameworks of understanding.
QuoteFollowed by a list of "He has ..." reasons for declaring independence. One of which, incidentally, was for dissolution of Parliament.
By calling George a Tyrant and citing a dissolution of Parliament as a complaint they were cos-playing as Roundheads (a connection of cause the founders pushed heavily). They were trying to invoke the 1629 dissolution by Charles I whereby there was a lengthy period without an elected Parliament and personal rule of the monarch (last done in 1653 by Cromwell).
However, George III and the British people would have seen not dissolving Parliament after a valid dissolution request as very Royalist and 'Divine Right' tyranny. This is another case where something would have been seen in London as the opposite to what it was seen as being in Philadelphia - different frameworks, cross-purposes. Divided by a common language.
George III dissolved the British Parliament in 1761, 1768, 1774, 1780, 1784, 1790 and 1796 (after that it's the UK Parliament, plus there's the regency issues in the latter years of his reign) - spot the pattern - roughly every 6-7 years.
George III's 1774 dissolution (the one the Founders are most likely to be moaning about as it was recent) was like the dissolution Charles III did in 2024: both were a few months earlier than planned, but both were pressed for by the PM of the day and granted by the king. Dissolution is the necessary requirement for an election to take place. The PM has the power to request a dissolution, but only the king has the authority to grant it.
Lord North's argument to have the election in 1774 instead of 1775 was that a new Parliament wouldn't be distracted by an upcoming election as they tried to navigate the escalating crisis in North America was a perfectly legitimate one that the King was powerless to deny. (North won in 1780 after it all went to pot, so this wasn't an attempt to squeak by while the tide was still good).
Quote from: english si on February 27, 2025, 07:42:19 PMa different understanding of the British Constitution (our one is a living document - and not all written down in one place either).
If it's not all written down in one place, it's not a document...
I can't knock the British Constitution since it seems to somehow do an effective job, but I don't quite understand
how it does so, given that every description I've seen of it seems very ad-hoc. Having things written down in a centralised document certainly helps when a layman needs to consult what the law says about fundamental rights and operations of government; if I want to see what the law says about, say, how long the President is allowed to hold office it is pretty straightforward to look up and I needn't do any research to even determine what law I should be looking at. (Indeed, the one time the police were in my house I was able to do a quick Google on the sly to find out what amendment I needed to quote to tell them to bugger off!)
The US Constitution was intended to be a living document too, it's just...not, because the framers badly misjudged how difficult it would be to get to the specified vote thresholds for amending the thing (with the difficulty rising as the country has become more polarised). We are probably in need of a half-dozen amendments at the moment to patch various issues discovered over the last decade or so, but the problem is that not everyone agrees what needs to be fixed exactly, or how, so there has been zero movement on any solution.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 27, 2025, 08:39:19 PMThe US Constitution was intended to be a living document too, it's just...not, because the framers badly misjudged how difficult it would be to get to the specified vote thresholds for amending the thing (with the difficulty rising as the country has become more polarised). We are probably in need of a half-dozen amendments at the moment to patch various issues discovered over the last decade or so, but the problem is that not everyone agrees what needs to be fixed exactly, or how, so there has been zero movement on any solution.
The Prohibition amendments (the 18th was mostly repealed by the 21st fourteen years later) suggests to me that maybe controversial amendments to the U.S. Constitution are not difficult enough to pass. But then the 26th Amendment (voting rights extended to 18-year-olds) shows that uncontroversial amendments not only can easily pass, but set speed records.
I may be misinformed as to the history, but my understanding is that the 18th amendment was not so much controversial as it was an instance of "Welp, THAT didn't work".
I have to say that the Nevada constitution requiring two referendums, two years apart, for most amendments is an interesting mechanism that seem to blunt hasty issue-du-jour-type amendments.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 27, 2025, 08:39:19 PMIf it's not all written down in one place, it's not a document...
True. It also makes the colonial complainers misunderstanding of it somewhat reasonable as it is convention as well as law and it's mostly convention they didn't understand about the king's role (the convention of 'if Parliament feels you've overstepped the mark, you'll lose your crown').
Sounds like the crux of the problem pre-Revolution was a lack of direct representation in London. Imagine that.
"Taxation without representation," indeed.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 27, 2025, 08:39:19 PMIf it's not all written down in one place, it's not a document...
I can't knock the British Constitution since it seems to somehow do an effective job, but I don't quite understand how it does so, given that every description I've seen of it seems very ad-hoc. Having things written down in a centralised document certainly helps when a layman needs to consult what the law says about fundamental rights and operations of government; if I want to see what the law says about, say, how long the President is allowed to hold office it is pretty straightforward to look up and I needn't do any research to even determine what law I should be looking at.
Isn't that basically how case law works, though? Go into a lawyer's office and there aren't three sets of big books. The books are wall to wall, floor to ceiling.
As for a layman being able to quickly look something up in the Constitution, I'm torn. On the one hand, the Constitution was written in plain everyday English so that laymen could understand it. But on the other hand, matters of constitutionality since that time aren't decided by laymen anyway.
Quote from: kphoger on February 28, 2025, 11:09:20 AMIsn't that basically how case law works, though? Go into a lawyer's office and there aren't three sets of big books. The books are wall to wall, floor to ceiling.
Only in common-law jurisdictions like the United States and the UK. I was surprised to recently learn (yes I'm slow) that isn't how it works in every country. As I understand it, in many countries the only thing binding is the law itself, and each case is determined with the law as written in one hand and the facts of the case in the other. Precedent and case law simply isn't taken into account.
Kings Canyon Road west of Peach Avenue instead of Cesar Chavez Boulevard. I suspect if will take quite some time for the new name to take for the majority of Fresno residents.
Quote from: Rothman on February 28, 2025, 07:10:48 AMSounds like the crux of the problem pre-Revolution was a lack of direct representation in London. Imagine that.
"Taxation without representation," indeed.
If that was the only problem, the British could have just granted members of Parliament to the colonies. At that time, England was still far larger than the colonies, it would not have been that big an adjustment. (India wasn't British yet.) The reason they didn't was that there were many parts of Britain that did not have representation proportional to their population either. The franchise was limited to property-owning males, and they did not have a census and redistrict every ten years, or at all. Population shifts that came with industrialization made the industrial midlands much larger, but their representation in Parliament was still what it had when it was rural. And there were other parliamentary constituencies that were very small, effectively controlled by a single family or even a single person. If the British granted representation to the colonies, they could scarcely NOT give representation to all of Britain at the same time, and they were not ready for the loss of control that would bring. They did eventually reform Britain's representation system and expand the franchise, in a series of reforms a little at a time over the course of the 1800s. The colonies, even after America was gone, never got any representation.
(This explains why the decennial census and redistricting was so important it was written into the U.S. constitution.)
How often is the Canadian House of Commons reapportioned?
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on March 01, 2025, 11:29:00 AMHow often is the Canadian House of Commons reapportioned?
Mike
Census every 10 years in the year ending with a 1, reapportionment following the census. Same as the UK and other major commonwealth countries.
Quote from: kkt on March 01, 2025, 03:04:02 AMQuote from: Rothman on February 28, 2025, 07:10:48 AMSounds like the crux of the problem pre-Revolution was a lack of direct representation in London. Imagine that.
"Taxation without representation," indeed.
If that was the only problem, the British could have just granted members of Parliament to the colonies. At that time, England was still far larger than the colonies, it would not have been that big an adjustment. (India wasn't British yet.) The reason they didn't was that there were many parts of Britain that did not have representation proportional to their population either. The franchise was limited to property-owning males, and they did not have a census and redistrict every ten years, or at all. Population shifts that came with industrialization made the industrial midlands much larger, but their representation in Parliament was still what it had when it was rural. And there were other parliamentary constituencies that were very small, effectively controlled by a single family or even a single person. If the British granted representation to the colonies, they could scarcely NOT give representation to all of Britain at the same time, and they were not ready for the loss of control that would bring. They did eventually reform Britain's representation system and expand the franchise, in a series of reforms a little at a time over the course of the 1800s. The colonies, even after America was gone, never got any representation.
(This explains why the decennial census and redistricting was so important it was written into the U.S. constitution.)
So...taxation without representation.
Founding Fathers were right that the system was broken.
Quote from: Rothman on March 01, 2025, 03:22:57 PMQuote from: kkt on March 01, 2025, 03:04:02 AMQuote from: Rothman on February 28, 2025, 07:10:48 AMSounds like the crux of the problem pre-Revolution was a lack of direct representation in London. Imagine that.
"Taxation without representation," indeed.
If that was the only problem, the British could have just granted members of Parliament to the colonies. At that time, England was still far larger than the colonies, it would not have been that big an adjustment. (India wasn't British yet.) The reason they didn't was that there were many parts of Britain that did not have representation proportional to their population either. The franchise was limited to property-owning males, and they did not have a census and redistrict every ten years, or at all. Population shifts that came with industrialization made the industrial midlands much larger, but their representation in Parliament was still what it had when it was rural. And there were other parliamentary constituencies that were very small, effectively controlled by a single family or even a single person. If the British granted representation to the colonies, they could scarcely NOT give representation to all of Britain at the same time, and they were not ready for the loss of control that would bring. They did eventually reform Britain's representation system and expand the franchise, in a series of reforms a little at a time over the course of the 1800s. The colonies, even after America was gone, never got any representation.
(This explains why the decennial census and redistricting was so important it was written into the U.S. constitution.)
So...taxation without representation.
Founding Fathers were right that the system was broken.
Yep. The colonies' lack of representation was a small part of a much larger problem, that was too big to fix all at once and had to be addressed gradually over a century.