Former names you use without meaning to

[SEWIGuy]

'Denali'

Also, it is back to 'Fort Bragg, NC'.

Named after a different Bragg though.

[roadman65]

'Denali'

Also, it is back to 'Fort Bragg, NC'.

Mike

What about Fort Hood in Texas or Fort Gordon in Georgia?

Setting aside the silliness of 'Gulf of America'...  Even if that 'new' name really did start to catch on, I still strongly suspect I'd continue using the old one.

I have always called the Gulf by its always name and still will.  To me it's silly and that includes renaming military and mountain peaks, especially if it's one man and a pen.

One thing if congress changed it from civic pressure, but a president to use executive order privileges is likely  a monarchy m/o,. which is why we succeeded from England in 1776 in the first place to have freedom from dictators.

[SEWIGuy]

'Denali'

Also, it is back to 'Fort Bragg, NC'.

Mike

What about Fort Hood in Texas or Fort Gordon in Georgia?

Setting aside the silliness of 'Gulf of America'...  Even if that 'new' name really did start to catch on, I still strongly suspect I'd continue using the old one.

I have always called the Gulf by its always name and still will.  To me it's silly and that includes renaming military and mountain peaks, especially if it's one man and a pen.

I think they are only changing Bragg back because it was given a rather generic name (Fort Liberty) and because they had another Bragg they could use.

As for Hood and Gordan, I don't think a single base should be named in honor of confederate figures who engaged in armed rebellion against the United States. The new names honor those who faught and sacrificed in honor of the United States.

[kphoger]

which is why we succeeded seceded from England in 1776 in the first place to have freedom from dictators.

I'm not so sure George III was quite the tyrant that the American colonists made him out to be.

[roadman65]

which is why we succeeded seceded from England in 1776 in the first place to have freedom from dictators.

I'm not so sure George III was quite the tyrant that the American colonists made him out to be.

Blame Autocorrect for succeed.

Then again today's America has certain politicians branded as tyrants and not just Trump. Rush Limbaugh had Bill Clinton pegged as holding America hostage.

Some people called Obama dangerous and a spy for Islam, while others were accusing Harris at election time as being like the Left calling Trump another Hitler now.

But anyway we did fight England for freedom of a monarchy government.

[roadman65]

'Denali'

Also, it is back to 'Fort Bragg, NC'.

Mike

What about Fort Hood in Texas or Fort Gordon in Georgia?

Setting aside the silliness of 'Gulf of America'...  Even if that 'new' name really did start to catch on, I still strongly suspect I'd continue using the old one.

I have always called the Gulf by its always name and still will.  To me it's silly and that includes renaming military and mountain peaks, especially if it's one man and a pen.

I think they are only changing Bragg back because it was given a rather generic name (Fort Liberty) and because they had another Bragg they could use.

As for Hood and Gordan, I don't think a single base should be named in honor of confederate figures who engaged in armed rebellion against the United States. The new names honor those who faught and sacrificed in honor of the United States.

Well Robert E. Lee was a Confederate General, but if his name removed from places this needs to be considered that Lee was anti slavery.

His joining the Confederacy was loyalty to the state he lived in.  Lee in fact despised slavery, but fought out of allegiance like many WWII soldiers who hated the war at the time.  Ditto for Korea and Vietnam. You could very well be in the military and fight a war you despise personally as allegiance to a government that stands for liberty despite others on authority forgetting why they are there.

Yes I know naming Fort Hood would be like the Catholic Church naming a parish after Satan.

[SEWIGuy]

'Denali'

Also, it is back to 'Fort Bragg, NC'.

Mike

What about Fort Hood in Texas or Fort Gordon in Georgia?

Setting aside the silliness of 'Gulf of America'...  Even if that 'new' name really did start to catch on, I still strongly suspect I'd continue using the old one.

I have always called the Gulf by its always name and still will.  To me it's silly and that includes renaming military and mountain peaks, especially if it's one man and a pen.

I think they are only changing Bragg back because it was given a rather generic name (Fort Liberty) and because they had another Bragg they could use.

As for Hood and Gordan, I don't think a single base should be named in honor of confederate figures who engaged in armed rebellion against the United States. The new names honor those who faught and sacrificed in honor of the United States.

Well Robert E. Lee was a Confederate General, but if his name removed from places this needs to be considered that Lee was anti slavery.

His joining the Confederacy was loyalty to the state he lived in.  Lee in fact despised slavery, but fought out of allegiance like many WWII soldiers who hated the war at the time.  Ditto for Korea and Vietnam. You could very well be in the military and fight a war you despise personally as allegiance to a government that stands for liberty despite others on authority forgetting why they are there.

Yes I know naming Fort Hood would be like the Catholic Church naming a parish after Satan.

I'm glad Lee was anti-slavery. But he still engaged in armed rebellion against the United States. Furthermore, he lost.

And I don't care WHY he joined the Confederacy - that's a choice that he made. He's lucky the USA treated them as nicely as they did. But he shouldn't be honored by naming a military base after them.

[Scott5114]

Gulf of Mexico 

The thread is for former names.

According to the United States Government, that is the current name

A fun fact you learn living in Nevada is that just because the government wants everyone to do something (like stop at red lights, or buy a license plate) doesn't necessarily mean that people are going to do it.

What about Fort Hood in Texas or Fort Gordon in Georgia?

As for Hood and Gordan, I don't think a single base should be named in honor of confederate figures who engaged in armed rebellion against the United States. The new names honor those who faught and sacrificed in honor of the United States.

They should rename Fort Hood to Fort Hoodie and change the uniform accordingly. I think this is needed.

[Stephane Dumas]

I still frequently use "Ottawa River Parkway" without meaning it, and it's as if Canadiens de Montréal Avenue didn't exist (I still call it Gauchetière all the time).

My family still gets onto A-30 from 132/201 in Valleyfield, as well as from 132 in Saint-Constant.

I still call the gap of A-610 as A-10 and I still refer the A-20 as "Transcanadienne" while I still refer René-Lévesque Blvd in Quebec city as St-Cyrille Blvd. Also, I still use sometimes Smith Blvd in Thetford Mines despite it's now known as Frotenac Blvd since its amalgation with Black Lake, Pontbriand and Robertsonville in 2002.

[1995hoo]

I was born at Fort Hood and that's what I will always call it, especially in the context of where I was born. It's not like my birth certificate suddenly has some other name in that box.

[TheHighwayMan3561]

'Denali'

Also, it is back to 'Fort Bragg, NC'.

Named after a different Bragg though.

I think it's a major disrespect to Roland Bragg when they're just using his name as a front to revert it to the Confederate general whose name was taken off it.

[Rothman]

I miss A-720.

[LilianaUwU]

I miss A-720.

See, I mean to use that former name, because the change in designation is stupid.

[LilianaUwU]

I still refer the A-20 as "Transcanadienne"

Most of it is still the Transcanadienne, yes.

[Stephane Dumas]

I miss A-720.

You're not the only one, I also miss A-755 and A-51.

[roadman65]

'Denali'

Also, it is back to 'Fort Bragg, NC'.

Named after a different Bragg though.

I think it's a major disrespect to Roland Bragg when they're just using his name as a front to revert it to the Confederate general whose name was taken off it.

What about Eisenhower in August, GA.  Aren't they disrespecting his name by only naming the installation because Gordon was a Confederate and people like Derek Chauvin committed murder because of Confederate praise that he only got a mention there.

BTW I'm not convinced that Derek Chauvin was a racist because of names like Braxton Bragg or Jefferson Davis, but because he had the same MO as those in the old South, but apparently that's the bandwagon that started the name changes.

[Scott5114]

'Denali'

Also, it is back to 'Fort Bragg, NC'.

Named after a different Bragg though.

I think it's a major disrespect to Roland Bragg when they're just using his name as a front to revert it to the Confederate general whose name was taken off it.

What about Eisenhower in August, GA.  Aren't they disrespecting his name by only naming the installation because Gordon was a Confederate and people like Derek Chauvin committed murder because of Confederate praise that he only got a mention there.

BTW I'm not convinced that Derek Chauvin was a racist because of names like Braxton Bragg or Jefferson Davis, but because he had the same MO as those in the old South, but apparently that's the bandwagon that started the name changes.

What??? Not a damn word of this post makes any sense at all.

What does someone who was elected President in 1952 have to do with a guy who murdered someone in 2020?

[SP Cook]

- Confederate names, Gulf of America, etc.  Politics.  Argue politics elsewhere.  You are not going to change anyone's mind, no matter what your ideas are.

- Airports.  In the outside world, IMHO, 99% of people apply the "taxi driver rule".  If "take me to the airport" is a sufficient request, that is what people say.  "Take me to the airport" will get you to ATL from anywhere in the Atlanta metro.  How many cabbies do you think are asked to take people to "Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport"?  How about probably zero.  Same goes for Thurgood Marshall, John Glenn, Chuck Yeager, or whoever.  In the few places where more is needed, a standard lingo has developed.  Such as "take me to LaGuardia" (or JFK/Kennedy, or Newark), or "take me to Dulles" (or National/Reagan National or BWI), etc.  Within airports, same rule applies within the airport.  If you are flying to Columbus, you look for a gate labeled "Columbus" not "Port Columbus" and certainly not "John Glenn Port Columbus Airport".  If you are going to Boston, you look for a gate labeled "Boston", not "Logan", which I assume would get you to the home of Utah State University, and certainly not "General Edward Lawrence Logan International Airport".  Again if more is needed, a standard lingo already exists, such as "JFK", "DFW", "Dulles", "Hobby", or "Midway".  BTW, the full name of my local airport, which gets the same number of international flights it always has, which is to say zero, has been changed by the local politicians to "Charles 'Chuck' Yeager West Virginia International Airport" on the silly idea that you can call ahead and one of the security guards at the federal courthouse, who has been cross-trained, will, at your expense, meet your private plane, which probably happens maybe once a year.  Everyone still calls it "the airport".  The WV DOH refused to go along and just changed the sign on the interstate from "Yeager Airport" to "CRW Airport".

- Venues.  Same rule applies.  In sports, if someone says "the Bengals are at the Steelers", that is all the information needed.  I don't care which insurance company sponsors the stadium.  It is "at the Steelers".  All that is needed.  Again, the "taxi driver rule" applies.  If get me to the football stadium/ball park/arena is good enough, that is all you get.  Similarly, most secondary cities, and many primary ones, simply have one venue.  If you say a concert is in Huntington, or Lexington, or Roanoke, or even Greensboro, you know where it is, no further discussion of dead politicians is needed.

[kphoger]

- ...Gulf of America ... Politics.  Argue politics elsewhere.  You are not going to change anyone's mind, no matter what your ideas are.

At least with this one, I think there are zero people to convince.  Nobody thinks it's a good name.

[kkt]

which is why we succeeded seceded from England in 1776 in the first place to have freedom from dictators.

I'm not so sure George III was quite the tyrant that the American colonists made him out to be.

Blame Autocorrect for succeed.

Then again today's America has certain politicians branded as tyrants and not just Trump. Rush Limbaugh had Bill Clinton pegged as holding America hostage.

Some people called Obama dangerous and a spy for Islam, while others were accusing Harris at election time as being like the Left calling Trump another Hitler now.

But anyway we did fight England for freedom of a monarchy government.

Our quarrel was not with George.  By the 1770s the decisions in the UK were made by Parliament and the Prime Minister.  It was their policy to tax the colonies to pay for their defense.

The colonies previously enjoyed the ideal situation: they governed themselves, annexed as much land in the west as they wanted, and then if they ran into trouble from another country or hostile Native Americans they called London and they sent and paid for the army for their defense.

[Scott5114]

Similarly, most secondary cities, and many primary ones, simply have one venue.  If you say a concert is in Huntington, or Lexington, or Roanoke, or even Greensboro, you know where it is, no further discussion of dead politicians is needed.

Huh?

If I were to say a concert were in "Oklahoma City" or "Norman"—neither of which are particularly large cities or any way unusual in terms of amenities offered for a town of their size—there are still dozens of venues that could hold a concert. Paycom Center? Tower Theater? Criterion? The Zoo Amphitheater? Lloyd Noble? Hell, both cities have parks that a concert could conceivably be held at. And all of these venues get regular use because they accommodate different types of events and audiences better. You wouldn't book Taylor Swift at the Tower Theater because it only holds a couple hundred people.

I can't imagine that the same is not true of any of settlement which is large enough to draw out-of-town acts.

[kkt]

if his name removed from places this needs to be considered that Lee was anti slavery.

Lee SAID that he was anti-slavery and maybe he did feel moral objections to it... but talk is cheap.  When it came down to it, he managed slaves on behalf of his wife who inherited them with the provision in the will that they be freed within five years.  Lee worked the slaves as hard as any other slaveowner, had them whipped like any other slaveowner, and did NOT free them within five years as the will provided.  He filed with the court to allow an extension, which the court denied.  He did free those slaves, but only after the court ruled against him.

[hbelkins]

Similarly, most secondary cities, and many primary ones, simply have one venue.  If you say a concert is in Huntington, or Lexington, or Roanoke, or even Greensboro, you know where it is, no further discussion of dead politicians is needed.

Huh?

If I were to say a concert were in "Oklahoma City" or "Norman"—neither of which are particularly large cities or any way unusual in terms of amenities offered for a town of their size—there are still dozens of venues that could hold a concert. Paycom Center? Tower Theater? Criterion? The Zoo Amphitheater? Lloyd Noble? Hell, both cities have parks that a concert could conceivably be held at. And all of these venues get regular use because they accommodate different types of events and audiences better. You wouldn't book Taylor Swift at the Tower Theater because it only holds a couple hundred people.

I can't imagine that the same is not true of any of settlement which is large enough to draw out-of-town acts.

There are a handful of smaller concert venues in Lexington, but I would mildly disagree with SP on the use of a dead politician's name (or a dead basketball coach). "Take me to Rupp Arena" or just "Take me to Rupp" would suffice. No one is going to call it "Cawood's Court at Rupp Arena at Central Bank Center."

[roadman65]

if his name removed from places this needs to be considered that Lee was anti slavery.

Lee SAID that he was anti-slavery and maybe he did feel moral objections to it... but talk is cheap.  When it came down to it, he managed slaves on behalf of his wife who inherited them with the provision in the will that they be freed within five years.  Lee worked the slaves as hard as any other slaveowner, had them whipped like any other slaveowner, and did NOT free them within five years as the will provided.  He filed with the court to allow an extension, which the court denied.  He did free those slaves, but only after the court ruled against him.

I am only going by what I learned in Political Science at Valencia College in Central Florida. My proffesor taught the class Lee was anti slavery and that was in 1992-93.

He touched briefly discussing the Civil War which was not so much as ending slavery as preserving the Union.

[SEWIGuy]

if his name removed from places this needs to be considered that Lee was anti slavery.

Lee SAID that he was anti-slavery and maybe he did feel moral objections to it... but talk is cheap.  When it came down to it, he managed slaves on behalf of his wife who inherited them with the provision in the will that they be freed within five years.  Lee worked the slaves as hard as any other slaveowner, had them whipped like any other slaveowner, and did NOT free them within five years as the will provided.  He filed with the court to allow an extension, which the court denied.  He did free those slaves, but only after the court ruled against him.

I am only going by what I learned in Political Science at Valencia College in Central Florida. My proffesor taught the class Lee was anti slavery and that was in 1992-93.

He touched briefly discussing the Civil War which was not so much as ending slavery as preserving the Union.

So you're going to base all your knowledge on what you learned up until 1993?