People fighting in the civil war, how are the roads down south?
why
https://youtu.be/SbWg-mozGsU
I know, but 1864 was in the middle of the Civil War, so...
"Oregon Trail Road Meet"
Reply # 1: I cannot make it, due to the fact that my horse is sick and my carriage is broken.
Reply # 2: Of all times, you choose this? I've got to go down and fight in the Civil War! :verymad:
Reply # 3: I can't come, because I am involved in important new railroad planning.
Reply # 4: I can make it, but it will take a long while for me to get over there, as I am in New York City.
That is the only theoretical thread I can think of at the moment.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 07, 2017, 09:29:35 AM
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Seriously, though, if you started this thread, you could have at least contributed something more than a question mark. :-/
Quote from: Takumi on November 07, 2017, 10:29:08 AM
I know, but 1864 was in the middle of the Civil War, so...
Blazing Saddles took place
after the Civil War. One early scene makes reference to blacks (I won't post the actual word used here) no longer being slaves. And I believe a later scene (at the Governor's office) makes reference to the year being 1874.
Anyway; here's one applicable topic:
Which Railroads Will Become General Sherman's "Neck-ties/Hairpins"?
Massachusetts update: Fall River has acquired the Fall River and Watuppa Turnpike and made it free! This is fallout from the state line change in 1861, where the turnpike, previously entirely in Rhode Island, now rests entirely in the Bay State.
But this is all part of a larger trend where the railroads are killing the turnpikes -- none of the franchises are making any money. Is the era of road transport coming to an end?
(Source: Frederic J. Wood's Turnpikes of New England, page 324)
Why wasn't California split into two states? If it did happen would the Civil War even take place.
Quote from: bing101 on November 07, 2017, 11:19:39 AM
Why wasn't California split into two states? If it did happen would the Civil War even take place.
Just a guess:
California was the first state that did not touch any existing state. They could make it very large for this reason. It wasn't nearly as populous as some existing states when it was formed, so there was no reason to split it at the time.
Quote from: 1 on November 07, 2017, 11:23:43 AM
Quote from: bing101 on November 07, 2017, 11:19:39 AM
Why wasn't California split into two states? If it did happen would the Civil War even take place.
Just a guess:
California was the first state that did not touch any existing state. They could make it very large for this reason. It wasn't nearly as populous as some existing states when it was formed, so there was no reason to split it at the time.
In 1864, the discussion would be 'What is the best way to upgrade the connections between the capitol of that new state to the east (Carson City in high desert Nevada) and Sacramento and San Francisco once these problems out east are solved?' That's a pretty rugged and dangerous pass in the Sierras along the way.
Mike
I miss the Butterfield Overland Trail.
Your favorite ferry's on the Stockton-Los Angeles Road.
Best wagon route to get over the Sierras. Do any take you less than a month to cross?
Have the riches of the Comstock Lode been tapped? Population declines in Virginia City seem to suggest that it is.
Some people are just bored in school.
How's construction going on the transcontinental railroad? Where will the Union Pacific and Central Pacific meet?
What will all those Chinese laborers do when the railroad is done?
Why did California change its location of the State Capital?
Well this 1864 thread would end in conspiracies.
Farriers you trust
Bordellos you’ve visited
Ever had a cattle drive interrupt your clinch?
Preferred Saddlebag Tanners
Favorite surface: dirt or grass
Planned Forum Outage: Telegraph line down
The Sorry State of Stage Coaches and Sedan Chairs of the 1820s, 1830s, and 1840s
Share your daguerreotypes of any signage
Beale Wagon Road gets a few upgrades! Hopefully they will build a bridge across the Colorado River so our wagons won't get stuck in the mire.
Quote from: formulanone on November 07, 2017, 01:07:13 PM
Farriers you trust
Bordellos you've visited
Ever had a cattle drive interrupt your clinch?
Preferred Saddlebag Tanners
Favorite surface: dirt or grass
Planned Forum Outage: Telegraph line down
The Sorry State of Stage Coaches and Sedan Chairs of the 1820s, 1830s, and 1840s
Share your daguerreotypes of any signage
The funny thing is that I was on CA 4 heading over Ebbetts Pass to finish my clinch of the route last year. When I was approaching Pacific Grade Summit there was an actual cattle drive blocking the road. I got lucky and only had to wait 20 minutes for the herd to pass but it must have sucked for the westbound traffic that has to sit behind it for hours on end on a one-lane highway. Suffice to say that would have been infinitely more common back in 1864.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 07, 2017, 01:53:06 PM
Quote from: formulanone on November 07, 2017, 01:07:13 PM
Ever had a cattle drive interrupt your clinch?
The funny thing is that I was on CA 4 heading over Ebbetts Pass to finish my clinch of the route last year. When I was approaching Pacific Grade Summit there was an actual cattle drive blocking the road. I got lucky and only had to wait 20 minutes for the herd to pass but it must have sucked for the westbound traffic that has to sit behind it for hours on end on a one-lane highway. Suffice to say that would have been infinitely more common back in 1864.
You win this thread. :)
Health tonic's on me next we meet.
Quote from: formulanone on November 07, 2017, 02:36:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 07, 2017, 01:53:06 PM
Quote from: formulanone on November 07, 2017, 01:07:13 PM
Ever had a cattle drive interrupt your clinch?
The funny thing is that I was on CA 4 heading over Ebbetts Pass to finish my clinch of the route last year. When I was approaching Pacific Grade Summit there was an actual cattle drive blocking the road. I got lucky and only had to wait 20 minutes for the herd to pass but it must have sucked for the westbound traffic that has to sit behind it for hours on end on a one-lane highway. Suffice to say that would have been infinitely more common back in 1864.
You win this thread. :)
Health tonic's on me next we meet.
Jedediah Smith would be proud, I really question the logic of a Transconntiental Railroad on Ebbetts Pass with those 24% grades. Personally I think John Ebbetts might had some bad whisky down in Drytown. :meh: Perhaps some good ole fashion switchbacks could be utilized? I would imagine some of those 49er boys ought to be able to whip something up.
The railroad would have used a tunnel below the parts with a 24% grade.
That there are responses to this thread is an indication that we've run out of legit AARoads topics to talk about in 2017. Of course, who the OP is certainly plays a factor...
But the pedantry is at an all-time high!
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 07, 2017, 01:53:06 PM
Quote from: formulanone on November 07, 2017, 01:07:13 PM
Ever had a cattle drive interrupt your clinch?
The funny thing is that I was on CA 4 heading over Ebbetts Pass to finish my clinch of the route last year. When I was approaching Pacific Grade Summit there was an actual cattle drive blocking the road. I got lucky and only had to wait 20 minutes for the herd to pass but it must have sucked for the westbound traffic that has to sit behind it for hours on end on a one-lane highway. Suffice to say that would have been infinitely more common back in 1864.
Passing a cattle drive on a one-lane road is indeed a nervous affair. I've only ever had to do so one time, but the road was muddy and I was in a '95 Toyota Corolla. Fortunately the gentleman driving the cattle had room down in the ditch for his four-wheeler and most of the cattle to fit, but I still had to ride the soft edge of the mud/dirt.
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on November 07, 2017, 10:30:09 AM
"Oregon Trail Road Meet"
Reply # 5: I cannot make it, due to the fact that I have died of dysentery.
^ Surprised that wasn't in the original post.
Quote from: Brandon on November 07, 2017, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on November 07, 2017, 10:30:09 AM
"Oregon Trail Road Meet"
Reply # 5: I cannot make it, due to the fact that I have died of dysentery.
Quote from: Takumi on November 07, 2017, 05:25:16 PM
^ Surprised that wasn't in the original post.
What's interesting is that when I was typing my post, I was actually genuinely thinking about adding another theoretical reply regarding a fatal or generally debilitating health problem that was extremely common back then, but for whatever reason I decided not to. :-D
How much will the Burning of Atlanta contribute to global warming? And did the rising sea levels make Sherman's March a wee bit shorter?
Now that Vicksburg is in Federal hands, can we finally decide on the I-69 Mississippi crossing?
If Gettysburg had fallen, would there ever have been a Breezewood or I-99?
Quote from: GaryV on November 07, 2017, 06:24:06 PM
How much will the Burning of Atlanta contribute to global warming? And did the rising sea levels make Sherman's March a wee bit shorter?
Global warming wasn't even a concept in 1864.
Quote from: 1 on November 07, 2017, 06:27:06 PM
Quote from: GaryV on November 07, 2017, 06:24:06 PM
How much will the Burning of Atlanta contribute to global warming? And did the rising sea levels make Sherman's March a wee bit shorter?
Global warming wasn't even a concept in 1864.
Sure it was. It was on thee olde Internet so thy must be truest.
Quote from: kkt on November 07, 2017, 03:53:42 PM
The railroad would have used a tunnel below the parts with a 24% grade.
Ebbetts has way worse terrain than Donner Pass which is why I assume it was chosen eventually for the Transcontinental Railroad. The drop from Pacific Grade and Ebbetts is absolutely huge and I don't know if anything other than a ton of switch backs could have gotten down it, there is way too much rock to tunnel through. Even Donner Pass needed substantial tunneling to get a good smooth grade for the trains, the wagons generally just hoisted up the slope until a road was built alongside the rail grade.
Quote from: kphoger on November 07, 2017, 04:34:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 07, 2017, 01:53:06 PM
Quote from: formulanone on November 07, 2017, 01:07:13 PM
Ever had a cattle drive interrupt your clinch?
The funny thing is that I was on CA 4 heading over Ebbetts Pass to finish my clinch of the route last year. When I was approaching Pacific Grade Summit there was an actual cattle drive blocking the road. I got lucky and only had to wait 20 minutes for the herd to pass but it must have sucked for the westbound traffic that has to sit behind it for hours on end on a one-lane highway. Suffice to say that would have been infinitely more common back in 1864.
Passing a cattle drive on a one-lane road is indeed a nervous affair. I've only ever had to do so one time, but the road was muddy and I was in a '95 Toyota Corolla. Fortunately the gentleman driving the cattle had room down in the ditch for his four-wheeler and most of the cattle to fit, but I still had to ride the soft edge of the mud/dirt.
I got lucky and had a campground to back into. I tried to get up the pass before the cattle drives started but apparently the drivers were thinking they better get them moving before the cars showed up.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 07, 2017, 06:39:09 PM
I got lucky and had a campground to back into. I tried to get up the pass before the cattle drives started but apparently the drivers were thinking they better get them moving before the cars showed up.
Keep movin', movin', movin'
Though they're disapprovin'
Shunpiking Mohegan Road and Derby Turnpike
Replacing the Farmington Canal
Underground Railroad houses you have visited
Railroads you have clinched
Is Roper's horseless carriage the wave of the future?
Does McClellan have any chance to unseat Lincoln?
Is there a better way to organize Connecticut's Turnpike system?
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 07, 2017, 06:35:51 PM
Quote from: 1 on November 07, 2017, 06:27:06 PM
Quote from: GaryV on November 07, 2017, 06:24:06 PM
How much will the Burning of Atlanta contribute to global warming? And did the rising sea levels make Sherman's March a wee bit shorter?
Global warming wasn't even a concept in 1864.
Sure it was. It was on thee olde Internet so thy must be truest.
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What side are you on the civil war? Goes on for a while and then gets locked. The banning of multiple members makes them start csaroads.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 07, 2017, 07:41:43 PM
What side are you on the civil war? Goes on for a while and then gets locked. The banning of multiple members makes them start csaroads.
I'm with Cap!
Quote from: US71 on November 07, 2017, 08:05:43 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 07, 2017, 07:41:43 PM
What side are you on the civil war? Goes on for a while and then gets locked. The banning of multiple members makes them start csaroads.
I'm with Cap!
I don't know the movie. What does this mean?
How much should we pay for Russia for Alaska?
Quote from: formulanone on November 07, 2017, 08:34:46 PM
How much should we pay for Russia for Alaska?
I hear Seward is negotiating a price
How should we number the wagon trail system?
54 40 or fight! How far north does Oregon truly go?
Quote from: roadguy2 on November 08, 2017, 12:57:24 AM
How should we number the wagon trail system?
Considering most of them are tolled, you don't. You just name them after the dude who owns them and call it a day.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned anything yet about West Virginia splitting off from Virginia.
I was about to say one about the creation of West Virginia, but it formed the previous year. D'oh.
Edit: Nevada admitted to the Union.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on November 08, 2017, 09:31:56 AM
I was about to say one about the creation of West Virginia, but it formed the previous year. D'oh.
Edit: Nevada admitted to the Union.
I bet the folks in Aurora sure are concerned about what surveys of the state line might find. :rolleyes:
The Angled Ft. Dearborn Carriageway: Gateway to the Northwest Territories
What is the furthest you have ridden in one day?
First post: 20 miles
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 08, 2017, 10:44:35 AM
What is the furthest you have ridden in one day?
First post: 20 miles
Do we count clipper ships?
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on November 07, 2017, 07:07:47 PM
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Railroads you have clinched
...
And Post Roads you have clinched.
What effects on roads will Reconstruction have?
Quote from: theroadwayone on November 08, 2017, 05:34:52 PM
What effects on roads will Reconstruction have?
Well, first the Union has to win that war, and right now things aren't lookin' all that great. I see that John McClellan even plans to make peace with and recognize the C.S.A. should he beat Lincoln in the election in a few weeks, like he is expected to.
:no:
Mic'l
Quote from: mgk920 on November 08, 2017, 05:54:20 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on November 08, 2017, 05:34:52 PM
What effects on roads will Reconstruction have?
Well, first the Union has to win that war, and right now things aren't lookin' all that great. I see that John McClellan even plans to make peace with and recognize the C.S.A. should he beat Lincoln in the election in a few weeks, like he is expected to.
:no:
Mic'l
By November of 1864, things were looking much better for the Union. Atlanta had been captured, Petersburg besieged.
Quote from: kkt on November 08, 2017, 06:52:19 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on November 08, 2017, 05:54:20 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on November 08, 2017, 05:34:52 PM
What effects on roads will Reconstruction have?
Well, first the Union has to win that war, and right now things aren't lookin' all that great. I see that John McClellan even plans to make peace with and recognize the C.S.A. should he beat Lincoln in the election in a few weeks, like he is expected to.
:no:
I'm starting to think that I should have rewritten that as "what will happen to the roads after the war."
Mic'l
By November of 1864, things were looking much better for the Union. Atlanta had been captured, Petersburg besieged.
Construction crew foreman: "You know, we're trying to build a railroad out here, but we end up building all these damn roads so we can get our wagons and tools out to where the railroad's gonna be -- maybe we should just build a whole bunch of roads first and do the railroads later!"
RR supervisor: "Are you f---ing kidding me? No one wants to ride on a goddam mudpath! Just shut up and take the wagon into town and bring back a half-dozen barrels of Giant Powder!"
In the Northwest board: Barlow Road lowers toll to $2.50 per wagon
Mountain West board welcomes Montana territory
Quote from: kkt on November 08, 2017, 06:52:19 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on November 08, 2017, 05:54:20 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on November 08, 2017, 05:34:52 PM
What effects on roads will Reconstruction have?
Well, first the Union has to win that war, and right now things aren't lookin' all that great. I see that John McClellan even plans to make peace with and recognize the C.S.A. should he beat Lincoln in the election in a few weeks, like he is expected to.
:no:
Mic'l
By November of 1864, things were looking much better for the Union. Atlanta had been captured, Petersburg besieged.
But remember, the polls and early returns were such that Lincoln went to bed on election night fully believing that he had lost.
Mic'l
Why does the United States want to buy Alaska? Why would we even want to go there?
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 09, 2017, 12:14:22 PM
Why does the United States want to buy Alaska? Why would we even want to go there?
To give meaning to the pacific northwest board.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 09, 2017, 08:21:47 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 09, 2017, 12:14:22 PM
Why does the United States want to buy Alaska? Why would we even want to go there?
To give meaning to the pacific northwest board.
They call that Manifest Destiny. I take you we're part of the "All of Mexico" brigade.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 09, 2017, 12:14:22 PM
Why does the United States want to buy Alaska? Why would we even want to go there?
Son, who has time to worry about such things nowadays? We got a war to fight.
fictional highways: Extend Oregon trail up the Alaska coast.
Indian Territory interesting contract advertisements (contains a bunch of documents, most of which are in Cherokee)
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 09, 2017, 11:29:08 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 09, 2017, 08:21:47 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 09, 2017, 12:14:22 PM
Why does the United States want to buy Alaska? Why would we even want to go there?
To give meaning to the pacific northwest board.
They call that Manifest Destiny. I take you we're part of the "All of Mexico" brigade.
FritzOwl definitely is.
"Will horseless carriages ever replace the horse-and-buggy?"
And then the thread has a bunch of replies about how they won't ever replace the horse-and-buggy.
Quote from: Brandon on November 10, 2017, 11:59:49 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 09, 2017, 11:29:08 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 09, 2017, 08:21:47 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 09, 2017, 12:14:22 PM
Why does the United States want to buy Alaska? Why would we even want to go there?
To give meaning to the pacific northwest board.
They call that Manifest Destiny. I take you we're part of the "All of Mexico" brigade.
FritzOwl definitely is.
He's been sure chopping at the bit for a Transcontinental Railroad over the Gadsden Purchase. Taking Cooke's Wagon Route in the summer is folly enough unto itself.