What is the longest distance you have ever noticed between the interstate exit ramp and a control point city listed on the exit's BGS? My examples are both in Arcadia, LA. On exit 67 Homer is listed--it's 17 miles from the exit. On the other Arcadia exit (69), Dubach is listed. It's between 20-25 miles from the exit if you stay on LA 151. Another irony about Dubach is that it's listed again in Ruston on exit 85. It's 12 miles from Ruston on US 167/(I hate to list it, US 63 :pan:) I'm sure y'all have some finer examples.
I have seen Panama City as a control point when it is 50 miles from I-10.
How far north on I-57 is Memphis used as a control point?
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on December 26, 2009, 10:58:38 AM
How far north on I-57 is Memphis used as a control point?
all the way (to Chicago)
Laramie is listed as the control city for WYO 34 off of I-25, and that's a good 77 miles away
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Flagstaff, AZ. The respective on-ramps for I-17 and I-40 show these cities.
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Page is 134 miles away, up US-89 north (surface road so no exit ramp).
Phoenix is 145 miles - the entire length of I-17.
Albuquerque is 323 miles east on I-40 (old US-66).
Los Angeles is 465 miles west on I-40 to I-15 to I-10 (essentially old US-66, except taking taking 40 to 15 to 10, not 40 to 215 to 210 to 110)
Omaha is a control city on I-80 in Cheyenne, and that's 494 miles away
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Um... Cheyenne is the control city for I-84 in Ogden UT, and that's 434 miles away
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I believe one of the on-ramps to I-5 northbound in Sacramento has Portland as the control city. 580 miles or so.
Quote from: Master son on December 26, 2009, 11:15:41 AM
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on December 26, 2009, 10:58:38 AM
How far north on I-57 is Memphis used as a control point?
all the way (to Chicago)
Here we go: 524 miles (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.71992,-87.624679&spn=0,359.954553&z=15&layer=c&cbll=41.72001,-87.62465&panoid=GOIYw3K1m2oCqZ8i0unisg&cbp=12,199.05,,0,-2.99)
And, there's the one I went through about 40 hours ago. I-76 East has "New York City VIA PENNA" as a control city and is 405 miles from the I-80/76 flip-flop west of Youngstown.
(https://www.aaroads.com/midwest/ohio/i-076_eb_at_i-080.jpg)
from AARoads
Not the longest, even east of the Mississippi (see I-57), but it's still up there.
NOTE: Not only does that brush off all of Pennsylvania with one line, it completely ignores New Jersey!
EDIT: Corrected highway reference and added photo from AARoads.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 26, 2009, 12:53:46 PM
I believe one of the on-ramps to I-5 northbound in Sacramento has Portland as the control city. 580 miles or so.
I actually haven't seen anything like that in Sacramento County - Red Bluff/Redding serve as the primary control cities for I-5 throughout the entire metro. However, if it is there, I'm gonna have to check it out at some point...
Of course there's Atlanta on the on-ramp from I-95 SB to I-85 SB in Petersburg about 490 miles away
Thunder Bay is listed on I-35 at Duluth. EDIT: Never mind that, it actually says North Shore. Thunder Bay is also listed at Sault Ste. Marie, some 6 hours away (700 km) on the 17B(I-75)/17 intersection. Not sure about in the Western/Northern direction.
EDIT: Just remembered that Cochrane has signs for Thunder Bay, which is 800km away.
I-95 South at the I-295 junction north of Richmond has (or had) Miami listed as a control point, which is 962 miles from Glen Allen, VA (the closest town to the junction). If that's not there anymore (it was in April 2009), then there's also one that mentions Durham, which is 163 miles away.
it says Redding and Portland if I recall correctly. I just know it's approaching the I-5/CA-99 multiplex from the east. I got on that ramp, but I can't remember where! :-D
Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 26, 2009, 04:31:47 PM
it says Redding and Portland if I recall correctly. I just know it's approaching the I-5/CA-99 multiplex from the east. I got on that ramp, but I can't remember where! :-D
Okay, let me do a quick Google Street View check of the area. The northbound ramps to I-5/Route 99 from the east are P Street, L Street, I Street, Richards Boulevard (none of those south of the American River make reference to Portland, I can say that definitively), then Garden Highway, I-80, Arena Boulevard, Del Paso Road.
Del Paso Road: http://bit.ly/5Gur5E
Arena Boulevard: http://bit.ly/6mUfl3
I-80: http://bit.ly/8Gmk5w
Garden Highway: http://bit.ly/7fXzaB
Quote from: njroadhorse on December 26, 2009, 04:30:11 PM
I-95 South at the I-295 junction north of Richmond has (or had) Miami listed as a control point, which is 962 miles from Glen Allen, VA (the closest town to the junction). If that's not there anymore (it was in April 2009), then there's also one that mentions Durham, which is 163 miles away.
Miami is still mentioned on I-95 and in a few other areas in Petersburg, at the I-85 interchange.
New York City appears as a control city on I-90/Mass Pike going west at I-84 in Sturbridge, MA, which is a distance of 158 miles. It also appears as a control city on I-95 in Baltimore which is about 187 miles.
Montreal and Buffalo also appear on distance signs on the NY Thruway all the way in Suffern, NY.
Quote from: SyntheticDreamer on December 26, 2009, 04:53:02 PM
Miami is still mentioned on I-95 and in a few other areas in Petersburg, at the I-85 interchange.
Thank-you StreetView (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=petersburg,+va&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.284089,93.076172&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Petersburg,+Virginia&ll=37.225271,-77.393682&spn=0.011174,0.022724&z=16&layer=c&cbll=37.22552,-77.393897&panoid=Lokx8vxk15XYAgU06dyEgw&cbp=12,145.18,,1,-6.94).
A bit over 900 miles, although it's spoiled a bit by sharing billing with Rocky Mount, NC.
There is a sign on AB 43 not all that far from the start of the Alaska Highway that has a control city of Alaska...never mind that's more than 1500 miles away just from the start of the Alaska Highway.
I'd link a pic, but it's not mine, and I don't want to cause trouble with a fellow roadgeek.
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on December 26, 2009, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: SyntheticDreamer on December 26, 2009, 04:53:02 PM
Miami is still mentioned on I-95 and in a few other areas in Petersburg, at the I-85 interchange.
Thank-you StreetView (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=petersburg,+va&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.284089,93.076172&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Petersburg,+Virginia&ll=37.225271,-77.393682&spn=0.011174,0.022724&z=16&layer=c&cbll=37.22552,-77.393897&panoid=Lokx8vxk15XYAgU06dyEgw&cbp=12,145.18,,1,-6.94).
A bit over 900 miles, although it's spoiled a bit by sharing billing with Rocky Mount, NC.
Here's a photo of that gantry:
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Just for kicks, southbound OR 99E Bus has a distance sign in Salem for Dallas, Independence and Monmouth approaching OR 22.
Dallas is accessed from Salem via OR 22 then OR 223; Monmouth via OR 22 then OR 99W; Independence via OR 22 then OR 51.
In other words, southbound OR 99E Bus's control cities are all two highways removed :pan:
I believe that ODOT's use of New York City as the control city for I-80 at Youngstown, OH is the longest in the Northeast (of course, VA using Miami on I-95 takes the cake for the entire country), and it's especially strange since New York is 3 states over (not in PA or NJ) and technically I-80 doesn't even go to NYC. It's still pretty cool though. It's 400 miles from Youngstown to New York City.
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Quote from: PennDOTFan on December 26, 2009, 06:35:18 PM
New York City appears as a control city on I-90/Mass Pike going west at I-84 in Sturbridge, MA, which is a distance of 158 miles. It also appears as a control city on I-95 in Baltimore which is about 187 miles.
Montreal and Buffalo also appear on distance signs on the NY Thruway all the way in Suffern, NY.
On I-90 NYC appears on distance signs as far as Buffalo (418 miles away).
Actually, earlier than that. This photo is from near Exit 60 of the Thruway.
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http://www.millenniumhwy.net/2008_Buffalo_Day_2/Images/369.jpg
If we're talking distance signs, there are several transcontinental routes that have a sign at one end showing the distance to the other. Although, those are more for curiosity than practical information. Not too many people leaving Baltimore are driving to Cove Fort, I'd imagine.
Quote from: OracleUsr on December 27, 2009, 12:40:06 AM
There is a sign on AB 43 not all that far from the start of the Alaska Highway that has a control city of Alaska...never mind that's more than 1500 miles away just from the start of the Alaska Highway.
I'd link a pic, but it's not mine, and I don't want to cause trouble with a fellow roadgeek.
This one, perhaps? It's in Grande Prairie (or was, at least, as of 2001). About 80 miles from the start of the Alaska Highway in Dawson Creek, and about 1250 miles from the Alaska line.
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Yeah, that's the one. I saw it on your site and the comment about how that was like showing "I-95 North, Maine" in Miami.
I'd be willing to bet it's still there.
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Sykotyk
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Uniontown is a good 45 miles from here to it's Downtown on PA-51. West Mifflin (because the Allegheny County Airport is located there) or Pleasant Hills would have made for a better control city IMO.
and those awful US-19 shields show up again :-D
Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 29, 2009, 01:50:16 AM
and those awful US-19 shields show up again :-D
LOL. This is nothing compaired to some of the freak US Shields that are standalone here in the Pgh area. ;)
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on December 29, 2009, 01:53:25 AM
LOL. This is nothing compaired to some of the freak US Shields that are standalone here in the Pgh area. ;)
the ones that look like demented acorns? I've seen them in Indiana too. *shudder*
it's one thing to be lazy and use Arial, but who goes through the effort of making a terribly wrong shield, when the correct one is usually right there as a pattern-accurate diagram for anyone too lazy to work with the lengths and radii.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 29, 2009, 01:55:34 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on December 29, 2009, 01:53:25 AM
LOL. This is nothing compaired to some of the freak US Shields that are standalone here in the Pgh area. ;)
the ones that look like demented acorns? I've seen them in Indiana too. *shudder*
Yes sir, those are the ones.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 27, 2009, 03:48:13 PM
Actually, earlier than that. This photo is from near Exit 60 of the Thruway.
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http://www.millenniumhwy.net/2008_Buffalo_Day_2/Images/369.jpg
Ah yes, I forgot about those.
Quote from: Sykotyk on December 29, 2009, 01:10:18 AM
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Sykotyk
Looks like they had to correct or revise the mileage to Ocean City.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 29, 2009, 01:50:16 AM
and those awful US-19 shields show up again :-D
There's an equally awful one on the new signs for US-30 / Forest Hills.
Originally the mileage was incorrectly transposed as 3037; when someone pointed out the fact to Caltrans that a prior sign at that spot had said "3073", the greenout was installed.
Quote from: shoptb1 on December 27, 2009, 12:36:56 PM
I believe that ODOT's use of New York City as the control city for I-80 at Youngstown, OH is the longest in the Northeast (of course, VA using Miami on I-95 takes the cake for the entire country), and it's especially strange since New York is 3 states over (not in PA or NJ) and technically I-80 doesn't even go to NYC. It's still pretty cool though. It's 400 miles from Youngstown to New York City.
There really isn't anything better to use as a control city. I would prefer Pennsylvania to do the same instead of using a bunch of cities I've never really heard of and have to use a map to locate.
Now what' the longest distance for a control city on a non-interstate/90% freeway route? US 41 has Terre Haute listed on I-64 at Evansville.
Northwest of Lafayette (Benton County I believe), there is a sign indicating Terre Haute and Evansville along with Lafayette, and then in Terre Haute there are signs indicating Chicago on US 41 north. Speaking of that I-64/US 41 interchange, there is a milage sign just north of there that shows Chicago as being 279 miles away. While it's likely not the longest for such a highway, it's long for Indiana standards. I kind of wonder if there is a similar sign up north in Lake County that shows the distance to Evansville.
Quote from: Revive 755 on December 30, 2009, 12:08:06 PM
There really isn't anything better to use as a control city. I would prefer Pennsylvania to do the same instead of using a bunch of cities I've never really heard of and have to use a map to locate.
Believe me, I like it and wouldn't want to change it. Every time I'm driving that stretch of I-80 across PA, I would rather not see Clarion or DuBois listed as control cities since it means nothing to me. :)
(courtesy AA Roads)
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Reno is listed in Salt Lake City, a full 526 miles away.
Quote from: CL on December 30, 2009, 12:42:14 PM
(courtesy AA Roads)
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Reno is listed in Salt Lake City, a full 526 miles away.
Reno does the same (list Salt Lake)
yesterday I was in Raton, NM and noticed that the little green signs at the junction of business 25 and US-64/87 (where US-87 turns from south to east) say Amarillo, TX, which is about 215 miles. That is quite the distance for a non-freeway route, though I am sure there is longer in Nevada.
Where does US-95 start mentioning Las Vegas? I know it mentions it in Tonopah (215 miles as well) - what about Hawthorne or even Winnemucca? And in the other direction, what are the US-95 control cities heading out of Vegas?
for now the "Alaska" destination in Alberta takes the cake, though! Impressive. I hope to be there in March :sombrero:
Quote from: shoptb1 on December 30, 2009, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on December 30, 2009, 12:08:06 PM
There really isn't anything better to use as a control city. I would prefer Pennsylvania to do the same instead of using a bunch of cities I've never really heard of and have to use a map to locate.
Believe me, I like it and wouldn't want to change it. Every time I'm driving that stretch of I-80 across PA, I would rather not see Clarion or DuBois listed as control cities since it means nothing to me. :)
I have to disagree, but that is probably because my hometown of Bloomsburg is one of the control cities. And, to me seeing, Milton then Bellefonte/Milesburg then Clearfield then Dubois then Clarion then Sharon westbound makes me feel like I'm making more progress than seeing Youngtown 245, 215, 185, etc. The passenger traffic on 80 local focused and these make more sense than New York and Youngstown/Cleveland would. Now, the truckers and my fellow road geeks, you know where you're going anyway. :sombrero:
On the access road from I-285 East or West to I-75 South (Southside), there's signage for Macon and Tampa.
Macon's about 80 miles, and Tampa's about 456 miles or so from this portion of Metro Atlanta.
Macon-Tampa signage (I-285 East to I-75 South) (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Riverdale+Rd,+College+Park,+Georgia&daddr=33.636417,-84.398947+to:Tampa,+Florida&hl=en&geocode=FTYlAQId1033-im5IzDEMOP0iDHvVoOgCjDnTw%3B%3BFQJyqgEdxMgV-ynh0bmzgrfCiDFjtJaviRNfpw&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=15&via=1&sll=33.638132,-84.393711&sspn=0.018222,0.038409&ie=UTF8&ll=33.632402,-84.406387&spn=0,359.995199&z=18&layer=c&cbll=33.632402,-84.406239&panoid=-E0a3CfoOsMx8leCVjmydA&cbp=12,75.8,,0,-35.53)
Be well,
Bryant
I forgot this obvious ones that I've seen many times on US 101: Los Angeles signed southbound from northern San Jose, and San Francisco signed north from Ventura!
http://bit.ly/83u4m9 - ramp from westbound Route 126 to northbound US 101, 364 miles south of the first exit in San Francisco (and 369 miles from downtown)
http://bit.ly/552XqX - ramp from I-880 (Exit 4B) to US 101 (US 101 milepost 339) in San Jose, 312 miles from the first exit in Los Angeles (Woodland Hills) and about 336 miles from downtown Los Angeles
(This makes me wonder if San Jose one day (as it approaches 1 million residents) will become a more prominent long-distance northbound control city throughout the route between Ventura and Salinas...)
I-5 and Route 99 southbound are signed for Los Angeles at the ramps from I-80 in the Natomas district of Sacramento, about 361 miles north of the Los Angeles city limit at Sylmar/I-210, and 385 miles north of the I-5/Route 110 interchange near Dodger Stadium - http://bit.ly/749f5a
Northbound I-5 is signed from the ramps at Route 60's western terminus, located 379 miles south of the first Sacramento exit (Exit 512 - Route 160) and 385 miles south of the first downtown exit (Exit 518 - US 50/Business 80/Route 99 South) - http://bit.ly/67llEl
I-10 is signed for Los Angeles at the onramp from N 7th Avenue in central Phoenix (I-10 Exit 144A), 366 miles east of the Los Angeles city line - http://bit.ly/5uTKKk
Route 99 first receives northbound signage for Sacramento when Route 58 westbound merges onto it in Bakersfield, as seen here:
http://bit.ly/8sy08D
This is located about 265 miles south of the Sacramento city limits (at Calvine Road) and 276 miles from downtown.
Route 99 by itself first receives signage for Los Angeles southbound from Route 120 in Manteca, 326 miles from downtown Los Angeles and 300 miles from Sylmar. (Years ago, Route 99 standalone was signed for Los Angeles as far north as Sacramento, with plenty of removed button copy labelscars as evidence.)
http://bit.ly/8qSKXb
In Las Vegas, US 95 lists Reno as its control city, with one sign also mentioning Tonopah. Likewise, to the south, Phoenix is mentioned as the control city from US 95 ans US 93 combined, even though it doesn't touch either of those highways, Needles seems to be the main one for south US 95. And then there's Salt Lake City and Los Angeles being mentioned as control cities, both several hundred miles away from Vegas.
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 30, 2009, 09:50:03 PM
In Las Vegas, US 95 lists Reno as its control city, with one sign also mentioning Tonopah. Likewise, to the south, Phoenix is mentioned as the control city from US 95 ans US 93 combined, even though it doesn't touch either of those highways, Needles seems to be the main one for south US 95. And then there's Salt Lake City and Los Angeles being mentioned as control cities, both several hundred miles away from Vegas.
great, thanks for letting me know!
Vegas to Reno is 441 miles; that is quite the distance. Vegas to Phoenix is 293 (via US-93) - also impressively long.
Quote from: Bryant5493 on December 30, 2009, 04:58:51 PM
On the access road from I-285 East or West to I-75 South (Southside), there's signage for Macon and Tampa.
Macon's about 80 miles, and Tampa's about 456 miles or so from this portion of Metro Atlanta.
Macon-Tampa signage (I-285 East to I-75 South) (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Riverdale+Rd,+College+Park,+Georgia&daddr=33.636417,-84.398947+to:Tampa,+Florida&hl=en&geocode=FTYlAQId1033-im5IzDEMOP0iDHvVoOgCjDnTw%3B%3BFQJyqgEdxMgV-ynh0bmzgrfCiDFjtJaviRNfpw&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=15&via=1&sll=33.638132,-84.393711&sspn=0.018222,0.038409&ie=UTF8&ll=33.632402,-84.406387&spn=0,359.995199&z=18&layer=c&cbll=33.632402,-84.406239&panoid=-E0a3CfoOsMx8leCVjmydA&cbp=12,75.8,,0,-35.53)
Be well,
Bryant
IIRC, in Cobb County, near the Windy Hill Road Interchange, there's a similar one for the pull-through of I-75 coming southbound.
Quote from: mightyace on December 30, 2009, 04:42:31 PM
I have to disagree, but that is probably because my hometown of Bloomsburg is one of the control cities. And, to me seeing, Milton then Bellefonte/Milesburg then Clearfield then Dubois then Clarion then Sharon westbound makes me feel like I'm making more progress than seeing Youngtown 245, 215, 185, etc. The passenger traffic on 80 local focused and these make more sense than New York and Youngstown/Cleveland would. Now, the truckers and my fellow road geeks, you know where you're going anyway. :sombrero:
Of course, if you're familiar with the area and those locations, I can see how having them used as control cities has a local appeal....but as a counter-example, I'm not sure that I would want to see I-40 control cities in Arkansas listed as Fort Smith, Clarksville, Russellville, Conway, Little Rock, Loanoke, Brinkley, West Memphis, Memphis instead of just Fort Smith -> Little Rock -> Memphis. :crazy:
US 287 north out of Boise City, OK, has a directional sign for "Denver, CO", which is 306 miles away.
Going east out of town, there's a sign for Amarillo and OKC:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.denexa.com%2Froadgeek%2Froad-photos%2Fmain.php%3Fcmd%3Dimage%26amp%3Bvar1%3Droadtrips%252Fpan%252F0078.jpg%26amp%3Bvar2%3D700_85&hash=c917a63bca75b26c821d87ff4e8fdb8a5b52e487)
Probably a record for two cities in the same state. Too bad they don't list mileage to Idabel...part of the concurrency that passes by this sign is SH-3, which runs from Colorado (18 miles north of Boise City) to Idabel (about equidistant from Texas and Arkansas in the SE corner of the state). SH-3 is the longest OK state highway, passing the 100 milepost before it even gets out of the Panhandle and ending east of Idabel, racking up an impressive total of 616 miles! Were Idabel listed, it'd have a mileage on this sign of 569.
Boise City is inconveniently far away from everywhere!
Quote from: OracleUsr on December 31, 2009, 12:52:12 AM
IIRC, in Cobb County, near the Windy Hill Road Interchange, there's a similar one for the pull-through of I-75 coming southbound.
I-285 West (Birminham/Tampa) signage (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Windy+Hill+Road,+Smyrna,+Georgia&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=35.494074,78.662109&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Windy+Hill+Rd,+Smyrna,+Cobb,+Georgia&ll=33.90507,-84.475706&spn=0.002288,0.004801&z=18&layer=c&cbll=33.904984,-84.475659&panoid=5IolHOjLKmRXB4XNoAbXvQ&cbp=12,150.83,,0,-7.27)Be well,
Bryant
On the other hand, routes like 101 and 99 in California (which pass through several notable communities between Northern and Southern California) lend themselves perfectly to the presence of intermediate control cities, i.e. on 101...
Primary: Los Angeles -> Hollywood -> Ventura -> San Francisco northbound, San Jose -> Los Angeles southbound
Secondary: Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, Salinas
For 99, there are probably more:
Primary: Bakersfield -> Fresno -> Sacramento northbound, Stockton -> Fresno -> Los Angeles southbound
secondary: Modesto, Turlock, Merced, Madera
All of those places are metropolises compared to, say, Milton or Dubois... :-D
Quote from: corco on December 26, 2009, 12:39:57 PM
Omaha is a control city on I-80 in Cheyenne, and that's 494 miles away
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davidjcorcoran.com%2Fhighways%2Fwy%2F80%2F80cheyenneto25%2F2.JPG&hash=c48ccdb603026854f2a234156efc6b3c83963084)
However, these signs are being replaced by new Clearview signs that have new control cities: Fort Collins for SB I-25 instead of Denver and Sidney for EB I-80 instead of Omaha. Sidney is much closer than Omaha and isn't very big as control cities go, and if I had been consulted I might have suggested use of South Platte.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 29, 2009, 01:55:34 AM
it's one thing to be lazy and use Arial
Better Arial than Clearview...
Speaking of bad US shields, at SE Powell Blvd (US 26) and SE 39th Ave in Portland, there's a US 26 directional shield with the '26' centered a good several inches too high on the shield.
Quote from: Bickendan on January 02, 2010, 01:26:03 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 29, 2009, 01:55:34 AM
it's one thing to be lazy and use Arial
Better Arial than Clearview...
I have to say I would rather have Clearview than many of the non-highway fonts in existence...
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 02, 2010, 10:33:30 AM
I have to say I would rather have Clearview than many of the non-highway fonts in existence...
yes, Clearview is a lot nicer than Arial, or "My Mommy Works Here Sans".
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 02, 2010, 12:51:59 PM
yes, Clearview is a lot nicer than Arial, or "My Mommy Works Here Sans".
:sombrero:
Quote from: shoptb1 on January 02, 2010, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 02, 2010, 12:51:59 PM
yes, Clearview is a lot nicer than Arial, or "My Mommy Works Here Sans".
:sombrero:
a brown object that I, ahem, manufactured this morning also looks better than "My Mommy Works Here Sans" so don't get your hopes too high up!
After being stolen for the fourth time in September '09, NCDOT announced they won't be replacing this distance sign as I-40 begins in Wilmington, NC.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi174.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw102%2Farchitect77%2Fbarstow2.jpg&hash=606097f539cb62151ec6c64da2ffeef130093fca)
Good job. Way to go, hosers. :|
Quote from: architect77 on January 02, 2010, 09:31:55 PM
After being stolen for the fourth time in September '09, NCDOT announced they won't be replacing this distance sign as I-40 begins in Wilmington, NC.
Wrong. They happened to find one remaining one in storage and are going to post it.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=100.msg43526#msg43526
http://www.wwaytv3.com/no_sign_road_ahead/11/2009
Quote from: architect77 on January 02, 2010, 09:31:55 PM
After being stolen for the fourth time in September '09, NCDOT announced they won't be replacing this distance sign as I-40 begins in Wilmington, NC.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi174.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw102%2Farchitect77%2Fbarstow2.jpg&hash=606097f539cb62151ec6c64da2ffeef130093fca)
Maybe it's just me, but if NCDOT wanted to avoid having this sign stolen so many times, one would think that they would mount it some place that wasn't so easy to just walk up and steal. I mean hell, it doesn't even look like someone would need a ladder to take that one down. Not saying that makes it ok, but they are kind of asking for it with that installation.
Wouldn't it be better to give the distance to somewhere more useful such as Raleigh? How many people would drive all the way to Barstow?
As for the theft problem, how about mounting it on the bridge surrounded by razor wire :cool:
Why is that Barstow, Calif. sign being stolen, anyway?
Be well,
Bryant
Quote from: Truvelo on January 03, 2010, 09:11:38 AM
Wouldn't it be better to give the distance to somewhere more useful such as Raleigh? How many people would drive all the way to Barstow?
As for the theft problem, how about mounting it on the bridge surrounded by razor wire :cool:
That sign is outside Wilmington NC, the east end of I-40. Barstow is home to the west end of I-40. Thus the purpose of the sign isn't to be useful, just to be neat. I think that California has (or at least had) a sign listing the distance to Wilmington near Barstow as well.
Similar examples exist in Sacramento and Ocean City, MD giving the distance to the other (termini of US 50), and Baltimore has a mileage sign near the beginning of I-70 listing distances to Columbus, OH; St Louis, MO; Denver, CO; and Cove Fort, UT (the western terminus of the interstate), installed a few years ago as a proof-of-concept for Clearview.
Quote from: Truvelo on January 03, 2010, 09:11:38 AM
As for the theft problem, how about mounting it on the bridge surrounded by razor wire :cool:
This is North Carolina, not Nazi Germany (or CalTrans-Land even)! :sombrero:
In September 1991, I drove into LA for the first time. As I departed Victorville I suddenly entered a huge white cloud of smog probably ten times worse than LA ever gets today, and practically every center pedestal sign in San Bernadino county was covered in graffiti despite the razor wire.
I do agree that NCDOT could mount the sign onto the bridge with enough extension outward to thwart any efforts to steal the sign again.
I used to pass this sign everyday in Santa Monica, and also pictured is an old photo taken in Barstow.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi174.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw102%2Farchitect77%2Ftranscontinental.jpg&hash=6ef6db566eb77ee6d7b3aa358320b201ce98a816)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi174.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw102%2Farchitect77%2Fwilmingtondistance.jpg&hash=6bef1a0feb92fcbebbe95d9d170d522d9b1b61ac)
In Ventura, San Francisco is the control city for US 101, a good 365 miles away.
Quote from: Riverside Frwy on January 04, 2010, 01:46:09 AM
In Ventura, San Francisco is the control city for US 101, a good 365 miles away.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2157.msg49291#msg49291
First time is around Route 126 at 364 miles south exactly!
thread resurrection :sombrero:
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Just got this photo from Michael Summa, who took it in the late 70s.
760 miles to San Francisco, 790 to Portland. We may very well have a winner!
I wonder how long that sign was up. The current sign(which has been up at least since 2004 when I was last through there and probably longer than that) just has Salt Lake and Ogden-no San Francisco or Portland. To me, very distant signs like that are novelties sort of like the mileage signs at the end of US 50, I-70 and I-40 because the cities on them don't appear again for quite awhile. I'm guessing even back then, a sign for San Francisco probably didn't appear again until Reno, and one for Portland didn't appear again until past Boise. Same for Miami at the I-85/I-95 jct. in Petersburg, Va.-Miami doesn't appear again until somewhere in Florida.
To me, the real winner in something like this would be a city that appears as a control city and then consistently appears on signs until that city is reached. The longest ones of these I have seen would be El Paso which first appears as a control city for I-10 West in San Antonio(554 Miles). Not sure about the longest mileage sign, but I know Las Vegas begins appearing on mileage signs at some point on I-70 WB W. of Denver.
Quote from: huskeroadgeek on May 15, 2010, 12:29:51 AM
I'm guessing even back then, a sign for San Francisco probably didn't appear again until Reno,
Looking at Google Street View, I-80 is signed westbound for Sacramento only at US 395...I don't even think San Francisco becomes a primary westbound control city until the Roseville area (100 miles away)!
One wonders if there were also Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, and Delta Recreation Areas.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 15, 2010, 02:24:34 AM
One wonders if there were also Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, and Delta Recreation Areas.
there's probably a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot recreation area. Wait, no, this is Utah. Water Tango Foxtrot, then.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 15, 2010, 10:56:07 AM
there's probably a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot recreation area. Wait, no, this is Utah. Water Tango Foxtrot, then.
Nice. :sombrero:
http://www.scvresources.com/highways/us_6/us6086.htm
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scvresources.com%2Fhighways%2Fus_6%2F6_provincetown_sign_close.jpg&hash=c5ea19068ba636893449b56143e781778e4b8066)
Winner
Quote from: Sykotyk on May 16, 2010, 12:25:01 AM
http://www.scvresources.com/highways/us_6/us6086.htm
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scvresources.com%2Fhighways%2Fus_6%2F6_provincetown_sign_close.jpg&hash=c5ea19068ba636893449b56143e781778e4b8066)
Winner
That's quite a large shield for just one digit. It looks like it was intended for a "101" shield.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 14, 2010, 11:26:44 PM
thread resurrection :sombrero:
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Just got this photo from Michael Summa, who took it in the late 70s.
760 miles to San Francisco, 790 to Portland. We may very well have a winner!
I can see 80 going to Salt Lake and San Francisco, but to Ogden and Portland?
Quote from: golden eagle on May 17, 2010, 10:53:06 PM
I can see 80 going to Salt Lake and San Francisco, but to Ogden and Portland?
That's I-80N (notice the small "N" suffix at the bottom of the shield), today's I-84.
Quote from: huskeroadgeek on May 15, 2010, 12:29:51 AM
Not sure about the longest mileage sign, but I know Las Vegas begins appearing on mileage signs at some point on I-70 WB W. of Denver.
Outside of Grand Junction, it shows Las Vegas as 541 Miles. I can't recall offhand if there is one for Vegas further east, but equally odd is their consistent mileage signs in Western Colorado showing the distance to I-15, the remaining miles of I-70 West.
U.S. 49 in Jackson uses Hattiesburg as the control point city. Once it splits from I-20, Hattiesburg is 84 miles. Meridian is a control point city for U.S. 45 in the Starkville-Columbus area and that's around 90 or so miles.
Quote from: CL on December 30, 2009, 12:42:14 PM
(courtesy AA Roads)
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Reno is listed in Salt Lake City, a full 526 miles away.
There was a time when it was listed farther east than that. In fact, at the 80/84 split (near Echo Junction, UT) I-80 west was signed to Salt Lake and San Francisco at least as late as 1980.
Quote from: elsmere241 on June 07, 2010, 10:33:35 AM
There was a time when it was listed farther east than that. In fact, at the 80/84 split (near Echo Junction, UT) I-80 west was signed to Salt Lake and San Francisco at least as late as 1980.
furthermore, I-80N was signed to Portland, which is even farther away.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 14, 2010, 11:26:44 PM
thread resurrection :sombrero:
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/UT/UT19570801i1.jpg)
Just got this photo from Michael Summa, who took it in the late 70s.
760 miles to San Francisco, 790 to Portland. We may very well have a winner!
We also now know how to cram the suffix onto a 2di shield! Nice!
that had been previously well-known. The 1957 spec put the suffix under the number, but had never formally specified how to do it, so at least two variants exist:
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/OH/OH19610801i1.jpg)
6" numbers, 5" suffix (standard with no suffix is 8" numbers on this size blank)
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8" numbers, 3" suffix (well, this sign is 12" numbers since it is a larger sign, but proportionately speaking...)
in 1961, with the introduction of the wider shield, the suffix on the same line as the number took over for the most part
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I almost prefer the 57 spec. I take it that's not going to be an option in the Shield Creator, right?
Quote from: Bickendan on June 12, 2010, 04:40:10 PM
I almost prefer the 57 spec. I take it that's not going to be an option in the Shield Creator, right?
it would be an implementation hassle, because it's a fourth line of text...
I'll take the MN shield as a consolation then (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbickenland.lonaf.com%2FphpBB2%2Fimages%2Fsmiles%2Fbigass.gif&hash=a0537da6e42415524d22588bdea05b394507955c)
which MN shield is this?
The blue and gold state highway shield.
Quote from: Bickendan on June 12, 2010, 07:52:18 PM
The blue and gold state highway shield.
oh, you want me to add that to the shield generator? okay, I'll see what I can do. That's a nice design, and there's so few of them left out there. I found a 210 a couple months ago and that's offhand all I remember.
Do you know what year they changed the numbers to white? Must be after 1972 because state 210 was US-210 until then.
Quote from: Sykotyk on May 16, 2010, 12:25:01 AM
http://www.scvresources.com/highways/us_6/us6086.htm
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Winner
The image is no longer at that URL. Perhaps this is the one that's meant, US 6 eastbound from its endpoint in Bishop, CA? https://www.google.com/maps/@37.3854278,-118.3953891,3a,37.5y,23.55h,89.95t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sD0sPSCPXo2vVapeVHDcBhg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 12, 2010, 01:41:02 PM
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/TX/TX19720351i1.jpg)
8" numbers, 3" suffix (well, this sign is 12" numbers since it is a larger sign, but proportionately speaking...)
So some states obviously opted for barricade crashing instead of ribbon cutting to open new Interstates - interesting.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 26, 2016, 01:58:43 AM
There's the sign for Denver at the west terminus of I-70, which I believe is about 500 miles to the east of the I-15 junction.
Then you have the Memphis control city used on the I-57 signs in Chicago. I believe those may eclipse the Denver CC at the I-15/I-70 junction by a few dozen miles.
Try this one on for size: at the I-10/I-20 split in West Texas, control city for I-10 East is San Antonio, while the control cities for I-20 East are Fort Worth and Dallas.
Another instance, at the I-20/I-30 split west of Fort Worth, control cities listed for I-20 East are Dallas and Shreveport, while I-30 East has Downtown Fort Worth.
I'd have to imagine it's been mentioned already, but Albany (300 mi) is the eastbound control city around all I-90 Buffalo exits. And vice versa.
On I-295 SB in Delaware, 2 exits after the toll plaza for the Memorial Bridge, did the BGS for the US-13 SB exit use to say Norfolk? I seem to recall the middle line reading "New Castle / Norfolk" (with an actual slash), with Dover on the bottom. Now it says "New Castle Airport", but one of the signs has uneven spacing before "Airport". But that exit is about 230 miles away from Norfolk, VA, via the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel. While that's not the longest distance to a control point city listed on this thread, it seems a little long for a road that is not a freeway. Still, that is the most direct route from there to the Norfolk area. Of course, wouldn't it be more efficient to get to Dover and points south via DE-1 instead and avoid the traffic signals? The DE-1/I-95 interchange was recently improved after all.
Another example near Toledo, OH in the '70s: At the I-475/US-23 SB off-ramp to US-20 (Central Ave.), the T-intersection there used to have the following 3 old-school directional signs in a vertical stack.
<-- Secor Park 4
Toledo 6 -->
<-- Chicago 235
(That last mileage is uncertain) Again, it seems odd to have such a long distance marked on a non-freeway, US-20. The Ohio Turnpike to the Indiana Toll Road (I-80/I-90) would be much faster. Perhaps those signs were older than I thought, especially since the Toledo city limits were/are less than 2 miles east of that point. Maybe they predated the turnpike. The signs are long gone, and the folded-diamond interchange is being converted to an SPUI.
https://www.dot.state.oh.us/districts/D02/Central_475/Pages/default.aspx (https://www.dot.state.oh.us/districts/D02/Central_475/Pages/default.aspx)
Trivial, but in the Northeast, it's a big deal. US 22/US 322 lists "State College" as a control city. The next mileage sign says that State College is 83 miles away.
I'd clal this second place, I-57 lists Memphis at it's northern terminus in Chicago. The Goog calls it 531.9 miles, but for simplicity, rounded up to 532.
In Napoleon, Ohio, the US 24 freeway exit to US 6 westbound uses Kendallville, IN and Chicago as the control cities. Until using the freeway several years ago, I'd never heard of Kendallville. It is about 60 miles from Napoleon. Chicago is about 190 miles from Napoleon (using US 6 and Torrence Avenue, since US 6 does not enter the Chicago city limits). Seems pretty wild for generally a 2-lane surface route in the Great Lakes region to use destinations with such long distances.
Streetview link: https://goo.gl/maps/ossKvAQ3tBG2
This isn't the longest distance, but Atlanta via US 23 makes an appearance on I-40 in Western NC.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.547242,-82.8941241,3a,75y,269.1h,77.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQedUG8z80KmbdYs9cWDu0Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: jbnati27 on January 27, 2016, 01:09:48 PM
This isn't the longest distance, but Atlanta via US 23 makes an appearance on I-40 in Western NC.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.547242,-82.8941241,3a,75y,269.1h,77.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQedUG8z80KmbdYs9cWDu0Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Speaking of Atlanta, the distance from Atlanta to Tampa via I-75 is 460 miles, and that's a control city for the I-75/I-285 junction:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6323557,-84.4066591,3a,75y,75.56h,85.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_0mFrCyX55VsGRyIx4VgXg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
It's 420 miles from this exit on I-80 to Las Vegas. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.945275,-118.7419476,3a,75y,246.22h,94.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7DaK0yLna6_rqB97ykc9Hg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
The most distant destination I can think of in New England is New York in Copley Square, Boston, roughly 210 miles away.
This may be a little off-topic, but what bothers me is not the distance but the reasoning for listing the cities the way Florida does:
I-75 in Columbia County at Exit 414 indicates Lake City/High Springs both north- and southbound, which is truly idiotic. Exit 414 is nearly halfway between High Springs and Lake City which are a good 25 miles apart. Exiting I-75 northbound for High Springs or southbound for Lake City would be foolish as one would be 12-15 miles PAST the given city resulting in 25-30 miles of unnecessary travel. Similarly, Exit 399 in Alachua is signed for High Springs in both directions when, again, southbound, you're a good seven miles PAST High Springs. Georgia had the sense to sign I-75 Exit #185 for Forsyth northbound and Gray southbound. Florida should do this at 414 - High Springs southbound and Lake City northbound.
Here's another one in the same area of North Florida that bothers me:
Exit #404 is signed for Lake Butler both north- and southbound. The quickest and best route to Lake Butler southbound is Exit 414 north <1 mile to SR238 then east to Lake Butler. MUCH shorter and better quality roads than Alachua CR236. Even northbound, it might not be shorter but certainly quicker with better roads.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on January 27, 2016, 05:04:31 PM
The most distant destination I can think of in New England is New York in Copley Square, Boston, roughly 210 miles away.
I've always wondered if the New York control city in Copley Square is New York City or State. I-90 goes directly to NY State but not the City but if one were going from Boston to NYC, it's the quickest route to get there.
St. Louis is the WB control city for I-70 in Indianapolis. You'd think they'd sign for Effingham.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on January 29, 2016, 09:04:41 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on January 27, 2016, 05:04:31 PM
The most distant destination I can think of in New England is New York in Copley Square, Boston, roughly 210 miles away.
I've always wondered if the New York control city in Copley Square is New York City or State. I-90 goes directly to NY State but not the City but if one were going from Boston to NYC, it's the quickest route to get there.
At this location, which is near a bus terminal, it could be inferred as both.
Prior to the current signage near & along the Pike,
New York was used as a westbound I-90 control destination all the way
through the Auburn interchange (Exit 10/I-290/395/MA 12).
At the Sturbridge interchange (Exit 9/I-84 West);
Albany is used for I-90 West &
New York City is used for I-84 West (even though I-84 doesn't touch NYC, one uses it to reach CT 15 then to I-91 in Hartford then to I-95 in New Haven).
Although it's not signed as such, you can also stay on I-84 to NY Exit 20 (in the town of Southeast) and use I-684 South.
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on January 29, 2016, 04:26:05 PM
Although it's not signed as such, you can also stay on I-84 to NY Exit 20 (in the town of Southeast) and use I-684 South.
For coastal destinations beyond (south of) NYC; sure (I do I-84 to 684 on most of my Philly-Boston round-trips).
For somebody heading to NYC itself; such is a bit out of the way, unless there's a major (i.e. worse than usual) traffic disaster in southwestern CT that one is avoiding.
The ultimate winner is in Pennsylvania. I saw the photo on another thread (but I can't find it off-hand) so it is legit:
There is a BGS exit/on-ramp from one of PA's US routes to the Pennsylvania Turnpike (I-70/I-76) which has a control city of Denver, CO. That one would clock in at well over 1500 Miles -- depending on what route(s) you use to get there.
The cool thing about this location is that technically, BOTH interstates listed here go to Denver -- despite the I-76 eastern & western segment gap.
That sign refers to Denver, Pennsylvania.
Quote from: CapeCodder on January 29, 2016, 09:18:07 AM
St. Louis is the WB control city for I-70 in Indianapolis. You'd think they'd sign for Effingham.
Nope. Indiana only signs big cities for their control points, so St. Louis it is. In (East) St. Louis they sign I-70 east for Indianapolis as it were.
Quote from: Fred Defender on January 29, 2016, 08:23:14 AM
This may be a little off-topic, but what bothers me is not the distance but the reasoning for listing the cities the way Florida does:
I-75 in Columbia County at Exit 414 indicates Lake City/High Springs both north- and southbound, which is truly idiotic. Exit 414 is nearly halfway between High Springs and Lake City which are a good 25 miles apart. Exiting I-75 northbound for High Springs or southbound for Lake City would be foolish as one would be 12-15 miles PAST the given city resulting in 25-30 miles of unnecessary travel. Similarly, Exit 399 in Alachua is signed for High Springs in both directions when, again, southbound, you're a good seven miles PAST High Springs. Georgia had the sense to sign I-75 Exit #185 for Forsyth northbound and Gray southbound. Florida should do this at 414 - High Springs southbound and Lake City northbound.
Here's another one in the same area of North Florida that bothers me:
Exit #404 is signed for Lake Butler both north- and southbound. The quickest and best route to Lake Butler southbound is Exit 414 north <1 mile to SR238 then east to Lake Butler. MUCH shorter and better quality roads than Alachua CR236. Even northbound, it might not be shorter but certainly quicker with better roads.
I am glad you said this. Lake City on I-75 S Bound is very dumb to use as like you said is close to 15 miles back in the direction you came from. Similar situation arises on I-95 half way between St Augustine and Bunnel on the east coast. However, FDOT (the same district that maintains the said interchange on I-75) signs SB for Bunnel only and NB for St. Augustine taking into consideration that St. Augustine going SB is a waste as one just came from there 17 miles ago, and not having Bunnel going NB is just as silly as you just passed it 15 miles ago.
Similar situations occur where I-75 and US 27 interchange near Weston, FL. The southbound US 27 control city was Miami for several years, when in fact "Miami" for northbound motorists was a city most through drivers originated from. For Southbound I-75 it was bad in another way, as you are actually telling motorists to use a non freeway over a freeway to get to your final destination. Plus with I-75's southern terminus not signing "Miami" leaves that interchange to be the only signed mention of Miami along I-75 for an exit leading there, made it worse. However FDOT did change the control city last I saw to "Hialeah" which is still bad considering that I-75's southern terminus is there.
The NJTA dis the same for GSP Exit 130 in New Jersey using "Newark" for US 1 north when fifteen miles ago, the GSP just left Newark. Woodbridge should be signed from there, or even Rahway, Linden, or Elizabeth which are the three other cities US 1 sees before entering Newark would be better suited for the signs.
As far as Lake Butler goes, I agree with you on that one totally. For S Bound I-75 its best to exit the freeway at Exit 414 to go north one mile to head east. In fact replace "Lake City" with "Lake Butler" and add it to the ramp signs.
Quote from: PHLBOS on January 29, 2016, 04:21:40 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on January 29, 2016, 09:04:41 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on January 27, 2016, 05:04:31 PM
The most distant destination I can think of in New England is New York in Copley Square, Boston, roughly 210 miles away.
I've always wondered if the New York control city in Copley Square is New York City or State. I-90 goes directly to NY State but not the City but if one were going from Boston to NYC, it's the quickest route to get there.
At this location, which is near a bus terminal, it could be inferred as both. Prior to the current signage near & along the Pike, New York was used as a westbound I-90 control destination all the way through the Auburn interchange (Exit 10/I-290/395/MA 12).
At the Sturbridge interchange (Exit 9/I-84 West); Albany is used for I-90 West & New York City is used for I-84 West (even though I-84 doesn't touch NYC, one uses it to reach CT 15 then to I-91 in Hartford then to I-95 in New Haven).
I've thought about this more than I probably should, but if I had to make an educated guess, I would say it's for the city, because signs of this vintage in Massachusetts don't generally list states alone.
I'm sure whoever approved the sign understood the ambiguity, but probably understood as we all do that both are correct.
Does anyone know off the top of their head the easternmost point at which Albany is used as a destination for the Mass Pike westbound?
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 29, 2016, 07:20:11 PM
Quote from: CapeCodder on January 29, 2016, 09:18:07 AM
St. Louis is the WB control city for I-70 in Indianapolis. You'd think they'd sign for Effingham.
Nope. Indiana only signs big cities for their control points, so St. Louis it is. In (East) St. Louis they sign I-70 east for Indianapolis as it were.
While visiting Indianapolis in 2010, I noticed a BGS for I-70 East reading COLUMBUS, OH. I would think the sign would still say INDIANAPOLIS implying downtown, since I was on the west side, heading on a IndyGO shuttle bus towards the then-new airport (IND).
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Quote from: Pete from Boston on January 29, 2016, 10:33:13 PM
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Quote from: Pete from Boston on January 27, 2016, 05:04:31 PM
The most distant destination I can think of in New England is New York in Copley Square, Boston, roughly 210 miles away.
I've always wondered if the New York control city in Copley Square is New York City or State. I-90 goes directly to NY State but not the City but if one were going from Boston to NYC, it's the quickest route to get there.
At this location, which is near a bus terminal, it could be inferred as both. Prior to the current signage near & along the Pike, New York was used as a westbound I-90 control destination all the way through the Auburn interchange (Exit 10/I-290/395/MA 12).
At the Sturbridge interchange (Exit 9/I-84 West); Albany is used for I-90 West & New York City is used for I-84 West (even though I-84 doesn't touch NYC, one uses it to reach CT 15 then to I-91 in Hartford then to I-95 in New Haven).
I've thought about this more than I probably should, but if I had to make an educated guess, I would say it's for the city, because signs of this vintage in Massachusetts don't generally list states alone.
For MassHighway spec'd signs of the era; yes. OTOH, for Massachusetts Turnpike Commission spec'd signs (the Copley Square BGS falls in this category), no. Listing states as destinations was still in vogue as far as the Turnpike Commission was concerned back then.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on January 29, 2016, 10:33:13 PM
Does anyone know off the top of their head the easternmost point at which Albany is used as a destination for the Mass Pike westbound?
Presently, one sees this one (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3400422,-71.2626896,3a,75y,236.5h,100.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smW3d2KUUnesahCaY3BdhJw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) along I-90 westbound itself in Weston. Such is a fairly recent installation.
The previous pull-through BGS (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3400481,-71.2626804,3a,75y,232.2h,94.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5w7o3hqO-jC-XIhKEeOgxQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) listed Worcester and New York; note the erroneous capital
T in the
Worcester listing.
The first entrance ramp signage listing
Albany for I-90 westbound is at the I-495 interchange in Hopkinton.
Disregard that streetlight pole on the right...
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In Chicago, I-57 is directed to Memphis, 550 miles away.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7201519,-87.6246729,3a,75y,203.39h,88.86t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1shAf5B-c3grFmFMXrRu5bIQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DhAf5B-c3grFmFMXrRu5bIQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D392%26h%3D106%26yaw%3D227.34491%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656
On the I-10 and I-20 interchange in Fort Davis, Texas. There's a Control city of Ft. worth. That's just over 500 Miles or so.
Aren't most of these going the wrong way? I thought the OP was looking for exits to destinations that are not all that close to the interstate. Like there's an exit and the sign says Exit 25: US-24 XYZVille, and then you take that exit, and there's a green sign at the top of the ramp that says there are still 50 miles to XYZVille. Most of the examples given seem to be just far away control cities.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on May 12, 2016, 05:47:15 PM
Aren't most of these going the wrong way? I thought the OP was looking for exits to destinations that are not all that close to the interstate. Like there's an exit and the sign says Exit 25: US-24 XYZVille, and then you take that exit, and there's a green sign at the top of the ramp that says there are still 50 miles to XYZVille. Most of the examples given seem to be just far away control cities.
Well, then the US 95 signs to Reno in Vegas might take the cake, since US 95 clears Reno by about 60 miles and that's 375 miles up the pike as it is.
Quote from: Sub-Urbanite on January 29, 2016, 06:38:41 PM
That sign refers to Denver, Pennsylvania.
Here is the BGS location, 120 miles
east of Breezewood:
https://goo.gl/maps/6uG1nY2RAU52
Definitely Denver, PA which is a couple miles left at the bottom of the ramp and I-76 is to the right.
Quote from: Fred Defender on January 29, 2016, 08:23:14 AM
This may be a little off-topic, but what bothers me is not the distance but the reasoning for listing the cities the way Florida does:
I-75 in Columbia County at Exit 414 indicates Lake City/High Springs both north- and southbound, which is truly idiotic. Exit 414 is nearly halfway between High Springs and Lake City which are a good 25 miles apart. Exiting I-75 northbound for High Springs or southbound for Lake City would be foolish as one would be 12-15 miles PAST the given city resulting in 25-30 miles of unnecessary travel. Similarly, Exit 399 in Alachua is signed for High Springs in both directions when, again, southbound, you're a good seven miles PAST High Springs. Georgia had the sense to sign I-75 Exit #185 for Forsyth northbound and Gray southbound. Florida should do this at 414 - High Springs southbound and Lake City northbound.
Here's another one in the same area of North Florida that bothers me:
Exit #404 is signed for Lake Butler both north- and southbound. The quickest and best route to Lake Butler southbound is Exit 414 north <1 mile to SR238 then east to Lake Butler. MUCH shorter and better quality roads than Alachua CR236. Even northbound, it might not be shorter but certainly quicker with better roads.
US-31 exit 118 has Fremont as a control point both northbound and southbound. US-31 southbound traffic to Fremont should have exited at exit 140 or 131 and saved lots of miles
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on December 27, 2009, 12:44:09 AM
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on December 26, 2009, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: SyntheticDreamer on December 26, 2009, 04:53:02 PM
Miami is still mentioned on I-95 and in a few other areas in Petersburg, at the I-85 interchange.
Thank-you StreetView (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=petersburg,+va&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.284089,93.076172&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Petersburg,+Virginia&ll=37.225271,-77.393682&spn=0.011174,0.022724&z=16&layer=c&cbll=37.22552,-77.393897&panoid=Lokx8vxk15XYAgU06dyEgw&cbp=12,145.18,,1,-6.94).
A bit over 900 miles, although it's spoiled a bit by sharing billing with Rocky Mount, NC.
Here's a photo of that gantry:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.static.flickr.com%2F3134%2F2440668128_59c0f56264.jpg&hash=7806a450773f743a2d1dc740e5e939df720cf420)
Is there some sort of standard as to when a control city has its state listed as well (i.e. Rocky Mount, NC)? For consistency, wouldn't Miami need to have "FL" included? Maybe it is because Miami is so well-known relative to the smaller Rocky Mount.
Quote from: chays on May 18, 2016, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on December 27, 2009, 12:44:09 AM
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on December 26, 2009, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: SyntheticDreamer on December 26, 2009, 04:53:02 PM
Miami is still mentioned on I-95 and in a few other areas in Petersburg, at the I-85 interchange.
Thank-you StreetView (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=petersburg,+va&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.284089,93.076172&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Petersburg,+Virginia&ll=37.225271,-77.393682&spn=0.011174,0.022724&z=16&layer=c&cbll=37.22552,-77.393897&panoid=Lokx8vxk15XYAgU06dyEgw&cbp=12,145.18,,1,-6.94).
A bit over 900 miles, although it's spoiled a bit by sharing billing with Rocky Mount, NC.
Here's a photo of that gantry:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.static.flickr.com%2F3134%2F2440668128_59c0f56264.jpg&hash=7806a450773f743a2d1dc740e5e939df720cf420)
The latest GSV (From July 2015) (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2254987,-77.3938973,3a,75y,145.18h,96.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skDeFBFWBnDpwdz5PEqMdhA!2e0!5s20150701T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) states otherwise.
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 18, 2016, 11:29:43 AM
Quote from: chays on May 18, 2016, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on December 27, 2009, 12:44:09 AM
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on December 26, 2009, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: SyntheticDreamer on December 26, 2009, 04:53:02 PM
Miami is still mentioned on I-95 and in a few other areas in Petersburg, at the I-85 interchange.
Thank-you StreetView (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=petersburg,+va&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.284089,93.076172&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Petersburg,+Virginia&ll=37.225271,-77.393682&spn=0.011174,0.022724&z=16&layer=c&cbll=37.22552,-77.393897&panoid=Lokx8vxk15XYAgU06dyEgw&cbp=12,145.18,,1,-6.94).
A bit over 900 miles, although it's spoiled a bit by sharing billing with Rocky Mount, NC.
Here's a photo of that gantry:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.static.flickr.com%2F3134%2F2440668128_59c0f56264.jpg&hash=7806a450773f743a2d1dc740e5e939df720cf420)
The latest GSV (From July 2015) (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2254987,-77.3938973,3a,75y,145.18h,96.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skDeFBFWBnDpwdz5PEqMdhA!2e0!5s20150701T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) states otherwise.
To be fair, that picture was posted in 2009. The interchange has since been reconstructed/restriped.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 18, 2016, 11:57:05 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 18, 2016, 11:29:43 AM
Quote from: chays on May 18, 2016, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on December 27, 2009, 12:44:09 AM
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on December 26, 2009, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: SyntheticDreamer on December 26, 2009, 04:53:02 PM
Miami is still mentioned on I-95 and in a few other areas in Petersburg, at the I-85 interchange.
Thank-you StreetView (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=petersburg,+va&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.284089,93.076172&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Petersburg,+Virginia&ll=37.225271,-77.393682&spn=0.011174,0.022724&z=16&layer=c&cbll=37.22552,-77.393897&panoid=Lokx8vxk15XYAgU06dyEgw&cbp=12,145.18,,1,-6.94).
A bit over 900 miles, although it's spoiled a bit by sharing billing with Rocky Mount, NC.
Here's a photo of that gantry:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.static.flickr.com%2F3134%2F2440668128_59c0f56264.jpg&hash=7806a450773f743a2d1dc740e5e939df720cf420)
The latest GSV (From July 2015) (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2254987,-77.3938973,3a,75y,145.18h,96.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skDeFBFWBnDpwdz5PEqMdhA!2e0!5s20150701T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) states otherwise.
To be fair, that picture was posted in 2009. The interchange has since been reconstructed/restriped.
And the OAPL now just has the near control cities. No more Miami or Atlanta.
New York is the control city for I-95 S in Providence, even though it passes through two cities of similar population (New Haven and Bridgeport).
Quote from: OracleUsr on May 18, 2016, 07:40:13 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 18, 2016, 11:57:05 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 18, 2016, 11:29:43 AM
Quote from: chays on May 18, 2016, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on December 27, 2009, 12:44:09 AM
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on December 26, 2009, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: SyntheticDreamer on December 26, 2009, 04:53:02 PM
Miami is still mentioned on I-95 and in a few other areas in Petersburg, at the I-85 interchange.
Thank-you StreetView (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=petersburg,+va&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.284089,93.076172&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Petersburg,+Virginia&ll=37.225271,-77.393682&spn=0.011174,0.022724&z=16&layer=c&cbll=37.22552,-77.393897&panoid=Lokx8vxk15XYAgU06dyEgw&cbp=12,145.18,,1,-6.94).
A bit over 900 miles, although it's spoiled a bit by sharing billing with Rocky Mount, NC.
Here's a photo of that gantry:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.static.flickr.com%2F3134%2F2440668128_59c0f56264.jpg&hash=7806a450773f743a2d1dc740e5e939df720cf420)
The latest GSV (From July 2015) (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2254987,-77.3938973,3a,75y,145.18h,96.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skDeFBFWBnDpwdz5PEqMdhA!2e0!5s20150701T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) states otherwise.
To be fair, that picture was posted in 2009. The interchange has since been reconstructed/restriped.
And the OAPL now just has the near control cities. No more Miami or Atlanta.
FWIW, I would not consider Miami or Atlanta to be control cities on the old signs either. In my view, a control city has to be signed at regular intervals for many miles. Miami is not signed again as a control city until well within Florida. Instead, this was a helpful sign to guide the long distance travelers at a major junction point. But in reality, the only controls at this sign are Rocky Mount and Durham.
Quote from: mrsman on May 22, 2016, 01:29:07 PM
FWIW, I would not consider Miami or Atlanta to be control cities on the old signs either. In my view, a control city has to be signed at regular intervals for many miles. Miami is not signed again as a control city until well within Florida. Instead, this was a helpful sign to guide the long distance travelers at a major junction point. But in reality, the only controls at this sign are Rocky Mount and Durham.
Kind of like how ODOT signs I-80 between the Ohio Turnpike/I-76 and the PA border in Youngstown. The main EB control city on that stretch of I-80 is New York City. But once you cross into PA, there is little, if no mention of NYC until you get well into New Jersey.
Quote from: OracleUsr on May 18, 2016, 07:40:13 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 18, 2016, 11:57:05 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 18, 2016, 11:29:43 AM
Quote from: chays on May 18, 2016, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on December 27, 2009, 12:44:09 AM
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on December 26, 2009, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: SyntheticDreamer on December 26, 2009, 04:53:02 PM
Miami is still mentioned on I-95 and in a few other areas in Petersburg, at the I-85 interchange.
Thank-you StreetView (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=petersburg,+va&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.284089,93.076172&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Petersburg,+Virginia&ll=37.225271,-77.393682&spn=0.011174,0.022724&z=16&layer=c&cbll=37.22552,-77.393897&panoid=Lokx8vxk15XYAgU06dyEgw&cbp=12,145.18,,1,-6.94).
A bit over 900 miles, although it's spoiled a bit by sharing billing with Rocky Mount, NC.
Here's a photo of that gantry:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.static.flickr.com%2F3134%2F2440668128_59c0f56264.jpg&hash=7806a450773f743a2d1dc740e5e939df720cf420)
The latest GSV (From July 2015) (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2254987,-77.3938973,3a,75y,145.18h,96.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skDeFBFWBnDpwdz5PEqMdhA!2e0!5s20150701T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) states otherwise.
To be fair, that picture was posted in 2009. The interchange has since been reconstructed/restriped.
And the OAPL now just has the near control cities. No more Miami or Atlanta.
As of this past Saturday, there was still one LGS just south of there at Exit 50 that listed "Rocky Mount NC" and "Miami." Ms1995hoo was amused that I was happy to see Miami still listed somewhere around there.
Major threadbump here because I was just messing around on Google Street View and found the following. The sign is in kilometres, of course, but this is probably the most distant city I've ever seen listed on an exit sign.
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.0178845,124.1920994,3a,75y,125.79h,90.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sADvsrOdQwkTaoHZ0ikd46A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Edited to add–Found a standalone image online. The Street View is a cleaner photo, doesn't have all those stickers all over the sign.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.twoxtw.com%2Fuploads%2F2%2F5%2F7%2F7%2F25778853%2Fmagadan-sign_orig.jpg&hash=6e8c5018f55539e9a05373c42d87e46fdf823521)
Cool. I guessed that the exit went to Yakutsk and Magadan, though I had to look up Khabarovsk.
Funny thing to me is the distance given the roads. If I saw that distance in North America, I'd figure three days of driving (1150 or so km per day). The trip from that sign to Magadan would take a whole heck of a lot longer than that!
Question about this discussion:
Are we talking about local exit destinations or actual control cities that are signed as such for an entire highway segment?
The OP suggests the latter, but discussion seems to have less of a clear focus.
Quote from: webny99 on March 24, 2018, 09:47:59 PM
Question about this discussion:
Are we talking about local exit destinations or actual control cities that are signed as such for an entire highway segment?
The OP suggests the latter, but discussion seems to have less of a clear focus.
I obviously read it as the latter, based on the OP's first sentence:
QuoteWhat is the longest distance you have ever noticed between the interstate exit ramp and a control point city listed on the exit's BGS?
Sure, it's not an Interstate and the sign is blue rather than green, but Magadan on that sign seemed to be exactly the sort of thing the question sought.
US-23 and I-275 use Chicago as the control city on their ramps to I-94 westbound, while most local roads in that area use Ann Arbor or Jackson.
Quote from: TheStranger on December 26, 2009, 03:26:40 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 26, 2009, 12:53:46 PM
I believe one of the on-ramps to I-5 northbound in Sacramento has Portland as the control city. 580 miles or so.
I actually haven't seen anything like that in Sacramento County - Red Bluff/Redding serve as the primary control cities for I-5 throughout the entire metro. However, if it is there, I'm gonna have to check it out at some point...
Salt Lake on I-580 and I-215 (different cities) in Nevada?
What are the cities on I-15 at I-80? If they are Reno and Cheyenne (as I suspect), you have two cities that are about 1500 km apart.
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 24, 2018, 10:06:35 PM
Quote from: webny99 on March 24, 2018, 09:47:59 PM
Are we talking about local exit destinations or actual control cities that are signed as such for an entire highway segment?
I obviously read it as the latter, based on the OP's first sentence:
But if you read after the first sentence, the OP's examples make it pretty obvious that he or she is talking about cities listed as local destinations on individual exits:
Quote from: cjk374 on December 26, 2009, 09:31:46 AM
On exit 67 Homer is listed--it's 17 miles from the exit. On the other Arcadia exit (69), Dubach is listed. It's between 20-25 miles from the exit if you stay on LA 151.
These are exits from I-20 near Arcadia. I-20's westbound control city from Arcadia is Shreveport, over 60 miles away. If cjk really intended the discussion to be about distant control cities for Interstates, why would he/she cite examples of small towns 17 and 25 miles away instead of a readily available one that's three times farther?
Considering that this thread is over eight years old and the OP never posted in it again, my guess is that cjk didn't care that much about it when first posted or it just got so far derailed so quickly that he/she decided it wasn't worth the effort to try to get it back on track.
Either way, I thought the Russian sign was interesting, and it fit better in this thread than anywhere else, so ultimately it doesn't much matter to me what the original intent was.
The thread is so old that the technicalities are a bit moot.
I was simply wondering if a suggestion had to also be a control city, but it looks like no, so carry on...
Quote from: michravera on March 25, 2018, 10:47:12 AM
Salt Lake on I-580 and I-215 (different cities) in Nevada?
What are the cities on I-15 at I-80? If they are Reno and Cheyenne (as I suspect), you have two cities that are about 1500 km apart.
Utah likes using distant control cities. The I-80 control cities at I-15 in Salt Lake are indeed Reno and Cheyenne. Cheyenne is 440 miles from SLC, and Reno is 518 miles. In addition, the southbound I-15 control is Las Vegas, 420 miles away, and Cheyenne is used for I-84 in Ogden, which is 434 miles.
Interestingly, neither of the distant I-80 control cities have Salt Lake as a control. The I-80 east control city from Reno is Elko, and the I-80 west control from Cheyenne is Laramie.
If you asked me, I would rather have closer control cities. For the Salt Lake control cities, I’d prefer Provo for I-15 south, Evanston (or even Park City) for I-80 east, and Elko for I-80 west.
- 200 miles from the WB US-24 Exit @ US-6 to Chicago in Napoleon, OH,
- about 400 miles from the I-76/I-80 Junction near Youngstown, OH to New York City via I-80 East
- about 465 miles from I-17/AZ-89A to Los Angeles via I-40 West,
- and about 500 miles from I-15 in Cove Fort, UT to Denver, CO via I-70 East.
Quote from: roadguy2 on March 25, 2018, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: michravera on March 25, 2018, 10:47:12 AM
Salt Lake on I-580 and I-215 (different cities) in Nevada?
What are the cities on I-15 at I-80? If they are Reno and Cheyenne (as I suspect), you have two cities that are about 1500 km apart.
Utah likes using distant control cities. The I-80 control cities at I-15 in Salt Lake are indeed Reno and Cheyenne. Cheyenne is 440 miles from SLC, and Reno is 518 miles. In addition, the southbound I-15 control is Las Vegas, 420 miles away, and Cheyenne is used for I-84 in Ogden, which is 434 miles.
Interestingly, neither of the distant I-80 control cities have Salt Lake as a control. The I-80 east control city from Reno is Elko, and the I-80 west control from Cheyenne is Laramie.
If you asked me, I would rather have closer control cities. For the Salt Lake control cities, I'd prefer Provo for I-15 south, Evanston (or even Park City) for I-80 east, and Elko for I-80 west.
I see no problem with the long distance control cities. Reminds me of the ones on I-90/I-87 in the Albany area: Boston, New York, Buffalo, Montreal...
Nobody cares about Elko. Nobody.
Quote from: Rothman on March 25, 2018, 11:23:52 PM
Quote from: roadguy2 on March 25, 2018, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: michravera on March 25, 2018, 10:47:12 AM
Salt Lake on I-580 and I-215 (different cities) in Nevada?
What are the cities on I-15 at I-80? If they are Reno and Cheyenne (as I suspect), you have two cities that are about 1500 km apart.
Utah likes using distant control cities. The I-80 control cities at I-15 in Salt Lake are indeed Reno and Cheyenne. Cheyenne is 440 miles from SLC, and Reno is 518 miles. In addition, the southbound I-15 control is Las Vegas, 420 miles away, and Cheyenne is used for I-84 in Ogden, which is 434 miles.
Interestingly, neither of the distant I-80 control cities have Salt Lake as a control. The I-80 east control city from Reno is Elko, and the I-80 west control from Cheyenne is Laramie.
If you asked me, I would rather have closer control cities. For the Salt Lake control cities, I'd prefer Provo for I-15 south, Evanston (or even Park City) for I-80 east, and Elko for I-80 west.
I see no problem with the long distance control cities. Reminds me of the ones on I-90/I-87 in the Albany area: Boston, New York, Buffalo, Montreal...
Nobody cares about Elko. Nobody.
I've been to Elko. They have an airport which (at least at the time) had scheduled airline service to Reno.
Quote from: roadguy2 on March 25, 2018, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: michravera on March 25, 2018, 10:47:12 AM
Salt Lake on I-580 and I-215 (different cities) in Nevada?
What are the cities on I-15 at I-80? If they are Reno and Cheyenne (as I suspect), you have two cities that are about 1500 km apart.
Utah likes using distant control cities. The I-80 control cities at I-15 in Salt Lake are indeed Reno and Cheyenne. Cheyenne is 440 miles from SLC, and Reno is 518 miles. In addition, the southbound I-15 control is Las Vegas, 420 miles away, and Cheyenne is used for I-84 in Ogden, which is 434 miles.
Interestingly, neither of the distant I-80 control cities have Salt Lake as a control. The I-80 east control city from Reno is Elko, and the I-80 west control from Cheyenne is Laramie.
If you asked me, I would rather have closer control cities. For the Salt Lake control cities, I'd prefer Provo for I-15 south, Evanston (or even Park City) for I-80 east, and Elko for I-80 west.
You'd like I-80 in PA. PennDOT didn't want to use far away, out of state control cities so instead they just used a bunch of places that nobody has heard of.
I just reread my original post from almost 9 years ago. WOW! This thread is on its 3rd wind. (btw...in case you are curious & haven't met me yet, I am male)
Originally, I was wondering about control points from exit ramps to the destination listed on the BGSs for that particular exit. Back then, I failed to realize that when 2 major interstates meet, they will have some long distance control points listed on their BGSs. So all of the previous examples of long distances listed on mileage signs on other interstates work well with this thread.
All is well with me. Keep the discussion rolling! :clap:
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Salt Lake on I-580 and I-215 (different cities) in Nevada?
What are the cities on I-15 at I-80? If they are Reno and Cheyenne (as I suspect), you have two cities that are about 1500 km apart.
Utah likes using distant control cities. The I-80 control cities at I-15 in Salt Lake are indeed Reno and Cheyenne. Cheyenne is 440 miles from SLC, and Reno is 518 miles. In addition, the southbound I-15 control is Las Vegas, 420 miles away, and Cheyenne is used for I-84 in Ogden, which is 434 miles.
Interestingly, neither of the distant I-80 control cities have Salt Lake as a control. The I-80 east control city from Reno is Elko, and the I-80 west control from Cheyenne is Laramie.
If you asked me, I would rather have closer control cities. For the Salt Lake control cities, I'd prefer Provo for I-15 south, Evanston (or even Park City) for I-80 east, and Elko for I-80 west.
You'd like I-80 in PA. PennDOT didn't want to use far away, out of state control cities so instead they just used a bunch of places that nobody has heard of.
Yet it's the opposite on I-90 in PA as the only town along the whole 40-some mile stretch is Erie. Then they have no choice but to go with Buffalo or Cleveland.
For Massachusetts I believe the longest control city listed is NYC for Exit 9 on I-90 which is the Sturbridge/ I-84 Exit which is around 160 miles using that route.
When it comes to surface street interchanges with interstates:
At I-75's Exit 290 in Cartersville, Georgia (GA SR 20; Rome, Canton), it is 27.4 miles to Rome, and it is 19.1 miles to Canton. The thing about this exit is that both of the control cities are a moderate distance from the interstate.
At I-75's Exit 99 (GA SR 300 SOUTH; Ga-Fla Pkwy., Albany), it is 40 miles to Albany, Georgia.
Of course, these aren't too awfully surprising, when you think about the fact that both Rome and Albany are decent-sized cities.
When it comes to interstate-to-interstate interchanges:
When an interstate meets another interstate, control cities are significantly more likely to be a very large distance from the interchange itself. There are many, many examples of this. The largest one that stands out in my mind that I have seen in person is that, if I recall correctly, somewhere on I-75 Southbound near Macon, Georgia, there is a control city for Tampa, Florida (along with Valdosta, GA). After looking for a while, I have been unable to find it on GMSV, but I want to think that I have definitely seen this before.
I'll do MN again since I understand the criteria better now.
Interstate-to-Interstate:
I-94/494/694 (east) - Madison, WI 255 (Wisconsin uses intermediate destinations upon entering that state such as Eau Claire and Tomah)
I-35/90 - Sioux Falls, 175
Other roads (specifically excluding major cities and generic destinations like "Iron Range"):
US 2 signed for Grand Rapids, 80 miles away, when it exits I-35 in Duluth
I know this is a major threadbump, but any of the relevant threads about distant control points are old and this one seemed to fit best.
I was looking at Google Street View and found this sign in South Australia (https://goo.gl/maps/goU92qrFH4BxjPhb6) that lists Perth (1481 miles) and Darwin (1689 miles) as the two control points at the intersection up ahead. In reply #132 of this thread I had posted a sign on which all the cities were four-digit distances away, but the sign was in kilometres rather than miles and two of the distances were less than a thousand miles. I found myself wondering how many signs there are, other than the one in South Australia and not counting the odd one-offs for a city at the far end of an Interstate, on which all the destinations are over a thousand miles away.
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Miami is still mentioned on I-95 and in a few other areas in Petersburg, at the I-85 interchange.
Thank-you StreetView (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=petersburg,+va&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.284089,93.076172&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Petersburg,+Virginia&ll=37.225271,-77.393682&spn=0.011174,0.022724&z=16&layer=c&cbll=37.22552,-77.393897&panoid=Lokx8vxk15XYAgU06dyEgw&cbp=12,145.18,,1,-6.94).
A bit over 900 miles, although it's spoiled a bit by sharing billing with Rocky Mount, NC.
Here's a photo of that gantry:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.static.flickr.com%2F3134%2F2440668128_59c0f56264.jpg&hash=7806a450773f743a2d1dc740e5e939df720cf420)
I am WAY late on answering this but "Rocky Mount NC" is also helpful to Virginians because there is a Rocky Mount, VA.
Is there some sort of standard as to when a control city has its state listed as well (i.e. Rocky Mount, NC)? For consistency, wouldn't Miami need to have "FL" included? Maybe it is because Miami is so well-known relative to the smaller Rocky Mount.
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New York City appears as a control city on I-90/Mass Pike going west at I-84 in Sturbridge, MA, which is a distance of 158 miles. It also appears as a control city on I-95 in Baltimore which is about 187 miles.
Montreal and Buffalo also appear on distance signs on the NY Thruway all the way in Suffern, NY.
I hate that NY is the control city on 95 north of Baltimore, it makes DE inconsistent as 95 there has Wilmington/Philadelphia.
This brings up a question, should 95 north of Baltimore list Wilmington, Philadelphia, or both as the control cities?
I say both given Wilmington is right off the road, decently big, and a major crossroads.