Longest distance from exit ramp to control point city

Started by cjk374, December 26, 2009, 09:31:46 AM

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PHLBOS

Quote from: chays on May 18, 2016, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on December 27, 2009, 12:44:09 AM
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on December 26, 2009, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: SyntheticDreamer on December 26, 2009, 04:53:02 PM
Miami is still mentioned on I-95 and in a few other areas in Petersburg, at the I-85 interchange.

Thank-you StreetView.

A bit over 900 miles, although it's spoiled a bit by sharing billing with Rocky Mount, NC.

Here's a photo of that gantry:


The latest GSV (From July 2015) states otherwise.
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jeffandnicole

Quote from: PHLBOS on May 18, 2016, 11:29:43 AM
Quote from: chays on May 18, 2016, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on December 27, 2009, 12:44:09 AM
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on December 26, 2009, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: SyntheticDreamer on December 26, 2009, 04:53:02 PM
Miami is still mentioned on I-95 and in a few other areas in Petersburg, at the I-85 interchange.

Thank-you StreetView.

A bit over 900 miles, although it's spoiled a bit by sharing billing with Rocky Mount, NC.

Here's a photo of that gantry:


The latest GSV (From July 2015) states otherwise.

To be fair, that picture was posted in 2009.  The interchange has since been reconstructed/restriped.

OracleUsr

Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 18, 2016, 11:57:05 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 18, 2016, 11:29:43 AM
Quote from: chays on May 18, 2016, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on December 27, 2009, 12:44:09 AM
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on December 26, 2009, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: SyntheticDreamer on December 26, 2009, 04:53:02 PM
Miami is still mentioned on I-95 and in a few other areas in Petersburg, at the I-85 interchange.

Thank-you StreetView.

A bit over 900 miles, although it's spoiled a bit by sharing billing with Rocky Mount, NC.

Here's a photo of that gantry:


The latest GSV (From July 2015) states otherwise.

To be fair, that picture was posted in 2009.  The interchange has since been reconstructed/restriped.
And the OAPL now just has the near control cities.  No more Miami or Atlanta.
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RobbieL2415

New York is the control city for I-95 S in Providence, even though it passes through two cities of similar population (New Haven and Bridgeport).

mrsman

Quote from: OracleUsr on May 18, 2016, 07:40:13 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 18, 2016, 11:57:05 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 18, 2016, 11:29:43 AM
Quote from: chays on May 18, 2016, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on December 27, 2009, 12:44:09 AM
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on December 26, 2009, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: SyntheticDreamer on December 26, 2009, 04:53:02 PM
Miami is still mentioned on I-95 and in a few other areas in Petersburg, at the I-85 interchange.

Thank-you StreetView.

A bit over 900 miles, although it's spoiled a bit by sharing billing with Rocky Mount, NC.

Here's a photo of that gantry:


The latest GSV (From July 2015) states otherwise.

To be fair, that picture was posted in 2009.  The interchange has since been reconstructed/restriped.
And the OAPL now just has the near control cities.  No more Miami or Atlanta.

FWIW, I would not consider Miami or Atlanta to be control cities on the old signs either.  In my view, a control city has to be signed at regular intervals for many miles.  Miami is not signed again as a control city until well within Florida.  Instead, this was a helpful sign to guide the long distance travelers at a major junction point.  But in reality, the only controls at this sign are Rocky Mount and Durham.


thenetwork

Quote from: mrsman on May 22, 2016, 01:29:07 PM
FWIW, I would not consider Miami or Atlanta to be control cities on the old signs either.  In my view, a control city has to be signed at regular intervals for many miles.  Miami is not signed again as a control city until well within Florida.  Instead, this was a helpful sign to guide the long distance travelers at a major junction point.  But in reality, the only controls at this sign are Rocky Mount and Durham.

Kind of like how ODOT signs I-80 between the Ohio Turnpike/I-76 and the PA border in Youngstown.  The main EB control city on that stretch of I-80 is New York City.  But once you cross into PA, there is little, if no mention of NYC until you get well into New Jersey.

1995hoo

Quote from: OracleUsr on May 18, 2016, 07:40:13 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 18, 2016, 11:57:05 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 18, 2016, 11:29:43 AM
Quote from: chays on May 18, 2016, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on December 27, 2009, 12:44:09 AM
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on December 26, 2009, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: SyntheticDreamer on December 26, 2009, 04:53:02 PM
Miami is still mentioned on I-95 and in a few other areas in Petersburg, at the I-85 interchange.

Thank-you StreetView.

A bit over 900 miles, although it's spoiled a bit by sharing billing with Rocky Mount, NC.

Here's a photo of that gantry:


The latest GSV (From July 2015) states otherwise.

To be fair, that picture was posted in 2009.  The interchange has since been reconstructed/restriped.
And the OAPL now just has the near control cities.  No more Miami or Atlanta.

As of this past Saturday, there was still one LGS just south of there at Exit 50 that listed "Rocky Mount NC" and "Miami." Ms1995hoo was amused that I was happy to see Miami still listed somewhere around there.
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1995hoo

#132
Major threadbump here because I was just messing around on Google Street View and found the following. The sign is in kilometres, of course, but this is probably the most distant city I've ever seen listed on an exit sign.

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.0178845,124.1920994,3a,75y,125.79h,90.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sADvsrOdQwkTaoHZ0ikd46A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Edited to add–Found a standalone image online. The Street View is a cleaner photo, doesn't have all those stickers all over the sign.

"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

vdeane

Cool.  I guessed that the exit went to Yakutsk and Magadan, though I had to look up Khabarovsk.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

1995hoo

Funny thing to me is the distance given the roads. If I saw that distance in North America, I'd figure three days of driving (1150 or so km per day). The trip from that sign to Magadan would take a whole heck of a lot longer than that!
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

webny99

Question about this discussion:

Are we talking about local exit destinations or actual control cities that are signed as such for an entire highway segment?

The OP suggests the latter, but discussion seems to have less of a clear focus.

1995hoo

Quote from: webny99 on March 24, 2018, 09:47:59 PM
Question about this discussion:

Are we talking about local exit destinations or actual control cities that are signed as such for an entire highway segment?

The OP suggests the latter, but discussion seems to have less of a clear focus.

I obviously read it as the latter, based on the OP's first sentence:

QuoteWhat is the longest distance you have ever noticed between the interstate exit ramp and a control point city listed on the exit's BGS?

Sure, it's not an Interstate and the sign is blue rather than green, but Magadan on that sign seemed to be exactly the sort of thing the question sought.
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

ftballfan

US-23 and I-275 use Chicago as the control city on their ramps to I-94 westbound, while most local roads in that area use Ann Arbor or Jackson.

michravera

Quote from: TheStranger on December 26, 2009, 03:26:40 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 26, 2009, 12:53:46 PM
I believe one of the on-ramps to I-5 northbound in Sacramento has Portland as the control city.  580 miles or so. 

I actually haven't seen anything like that in Sacramento County - Red Bluff/Redding serve as the primary control cities for I-5 throughout the entire metro.  However, if it is there, I'm gonna have to check it out at some point...

Salt Lake on I-580 and I-215 (different cities) in Nevada?
What are the cities on I-15 at I-80? If they are Reno and Cheyenne (as I suspect), you have two cities that are about 1500 km apart.

briantroutman

Quote from: 1995hoo on March 24, 2018, 10:06:35 PM
Quote from: webny99 on March 24, 2018, 09:47:59 PM
Are we talking about local exit destinations or actual control cities that are signed as such for an entire highway segment?

I obviously read it as the latter, based on the OP's first sentence:

But if you read after the first sentence, the OP's examples make it pretty obvious that he or she is talking about cities listed as local destinations on individual exits:

Quote from: cjk374 on December 26, 2009, 09:31:46 AM
On exit 67 Homer is listed--it's 17 miles from the exit.  On the other Arcadia exit (69), Dubach is listed.  It's between 20-25 miles from the exit if you stay on LA 151. 

These are exits from I-20 near Arcadia. I-20's westbound control city from Arcadia is Shreveport, over 60 miles away. If cjk really intended the discussion to be about distant control cities for Interstates, why would he/she cite examples of small towns 17 and 25 miles away instead of a readily available one that's three times farther?

Considering that this thread is over eight years old and the OP never posted in it again, my guess is that cjk didn't care that much about it when first posted or it just got so far derailed so quickly that he/she decided it wasn't worth the effort to try to get it back on track.

1995hoo

Either way, I thought the Russian sign was interesting, and it fit better in this thread than anywhere else, so ultimately it doesn't much matter to me what the original intent was.
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

webny99

The thread is so old that the technicalities are a bit moot.

I was simply wondering if a suggestion had to also be a control city, but it looks like no, so carry on...

US 89

Quote from: michravera on March 25, 2018, 10:47:12 AM
Salt Lake on I-580 and I-215 (different cities) in Nevada?
What are the cities on I-15 at I-80? If they are Reno and Cheyenne (as I suspect), you have two cities that are about 1500 km apart.

Utah likes using distant control cities. The I-80 control cities at I-15 in Salt Lake are indeed Reno and Cheyenne. Cheyenne is 440 miles from SLC, and Reno is 518 miles. In addition, the southbound I-15 control is Las Vegas, 420 miles away, and Cheyenne is used for I-84 in Ogden, which is 434 miles.

Interestingly, neither of the distant I-80 control cities have Salt Lake as a control. The I-80 east control city from Reno is Elko, and the I-80 west control from Cheyenne is Laramie.

If you asked me, I would rather have closer control cities. For the Salt Lake control cities, I’d prefer Provo for I-15 south, Evanston (or even Park City) for I-80 east, and Elko for I-80 west.

thenetwork

- 200 miles from the WB US-24 Exit @ US-6 to Chicago in Napoleon, OH,
- about 400 miles from the I-76/I-80 Junction near Youngstown, OH to New York City via I-80 East
- about 465 miles from I-17/AZ-89A to Los Angeles via I-40 West,
- and about 500 miles from I-15 in Cove Fort, UT to Denver, CO via I-70 East.

Rothman

Quote from: roadguy2 on March 25, 2018, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: michravera on March 25, 2018, 10:47:12 AM
Salt Lake on I-580 and I-215 (different cities) in Nevada?
What are the cities on I-15 at I-80? If they are Reno and Cheyenne (as I suspect), you have two cities that are about 1500 km apart.

Utah likes using distant control cities. The I-80 control cities at I-15 in Salt Lake are indeed Reno and Cheyenne. Cheyenne is 440 miles from SLC, and Reno is 518 miles. In addition, the southbound I-15 control is Las Vegas, 420 miles away, and Cheyenne is used for I-84 in Ogden, which is 434 miles.

Interestingly, neither of the distant I-80 control cities have Salt Lake as a control. The I-80 east control city from Reno is Elko, and the I-80 west control from Cheyenne is Laramie.

If you asked me, I would rather have closer control cities. For the Salt Lake control cities, I'd prefer Provo for I-15 south, Evanston (or even Park City) for I-80 east, and Elko for I-80 west.
I see no problem with the long distance control cities.  Reminds me of the ones on I-90/I-87 in the Albany area: Boston, New York, Buffalo, Montreal...

Nobody cares about Elko.  Nobody.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

kkt

Quote from: Rothman on March 25, 2018, 11:23:52 PM
Quote from: roadguy2 on March 25, 2018, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: michravera on March 25, 2018, 10:47:12 AM
Salt Lake on I-580 and I-215 (different cities) in Nevada?
What are the cities on I-15 at I-80? If they are Reno and Cheyenne (as I suspect), you have two cities that are about 1500 km apart.

Utah likes using distant control cities. The I-80 control cities at I-15 in Salt Lake are indeed Reno and Cheyenne. Cheyenne is 440 miles from SLC, and Reno is 518 miles. In addition, the southbound I-15 control is Las Vegas, 420 miles away, and Cheyenne is used for I-84 in Ogden, which is 434 miles.

Interestingly, neither of the distant I-80 control cities have Salt Lake as a control. The I-80 east control city from Reno is Elko, and the I-80 west control from Cheyenne is Laramie.

If you asked me, I would rather have closer control cities. For the Salt Lake control cities, I'd prefer Provo for I-15 south, Evanston (or even Park City) for I-80 east, and Elko for I-80 west.
I see no problem with the long distance control cities.  Reminds me of the ones on I-90/I-87 in the Albany area: Boston, New York, Buffalo, Montreal...

Nobody cares about Elko.  Nobody.


I've been to Elko.  They have an airport which (at least at the time) had scheduled airline service to Reno.

vdeane

Quote from: roadguy2 on March 25, 2018, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: michravera on March 25, 2018, 10:47:12 AM
Salt Lake on I-580 and I-215 (different cities) in Nevada?
What are the cities on I-15 at I-80? If they are Reno and Cheyenne (as I suspect), you have two cities that are about 1500 km apart.

Utah likes using distant control cities. The I-80 control cities at I-15 in Salt Lake are indeed Reno and Cheyenne. Cheyenne is 440 miles from SLC, and Reno is 518 miles. In addition, the southbound I-15 control is Las Vegas, 420 miles away, and Cheyenne is used for I-84 in Ogden, which is 434 miles.

Interestingly, neither of the distant I-80 control cities have Salt Lake as a control. The I-80 east control city from Reno is Elko, and the I-80 west control from Cheyenne is Laramie.

If you asked me, I would rather have closer control cities. For the Salt Lake control cities, I'd prefer Provo for I-15 south, Evanston (or even Park City) for I-80 east, and Elko for I-80 west.
You'd like I-80 in PA.  PennDOT didn't want to use far away, out of state control cities so instead they just used a bunch of places that nobody has heard of.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

cjk374

I just reread my original post from almost 9 years ago. WOW! This thread is on its 3rd wind. (btw...in case you are curious & haven't met me yet, I am male)

Originally, I was wondering about control points from exit ramps to the destination listed on the BGSs for that particular exit. Back then, I failed to realize that when 2 major interstates meet, they will have some long distance control points listed on their BGSs. So all of the previous examples of long distances listed on mileage signs on other interstates work well with this thread.

All is well with me. Keep the discussion rolling!  :clap:
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thenetwork

Quote from: vdeane on March 26, 2018, 05:14:57 PM
Quote from: roadguy2 on March 25, 2018, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: michravera on March 25, 2018, 10:47:12 AM
Salt Lake on I-580 and I-215 (different cities) in Nevada?
What are the cities on I-15 at I-80? If they are Reno and Cheyenne (as I suspect), you have two cities that are about 1500 km apart.

Utah likes using distant control cities. The I-80 control cities at I-15 in Salt Lake are indeed Reno and Cheyenne. Cheyenne is 440 miles from SLC, and Reno is 518 miles. In addition, the southbound I-15 control is Las Vegas, 420 miles away, and Cheyenne is used for I-84 in Ogden, which is 434 miles.

Interestingly, neither of the distant I-80 control cities have Salt Lake as a control. The I-80 east control city from Reno is Elko, and the I-80 west control from Cheyenne is Laramie.

If you asked me, I would rather have closer control cities. For the Salt Lake control cities, I'd prefer Provo for I-15 south, Evanston (or even Park City) for I-80 east, and Elko for I-80 west.
You'd like I-80 in PA.  PennDOT didn't want to use far away, out of state control cities so instead they just used a bunch of places that nobody has heard of.

Yet it's the opposite on I-90 in PA as the only town along the whole 40-some mile stretch is Erie.  Then they have no choice but to go with Buffalo or Cleveland.

GHayesNRP

For Massachusetts I believe the longest control city listed is NYC for Exit 9 on I-90 which is the Sturbridge/ I-84 Exit which is around 160 miles using that route.



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