So what kind of freeways do you see that don't have any route designations? Some of these are mostly a mile long, but others can be even longer. Here's a few in PA (the only ones I know of so far):
-Central Scranton Expressway
-Airport Connector
-Vine Street Expressway (after 676/30 exit it).
Adirondack Northway south of the Thruway.
Would NY's parkways count?
They do have shields, but no signed numbers. Some (all?) are also banned to commercial vehicles.
Pena Boulevard in Denver connecting to DIA.
Aviation Pkwy (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8770338,-78.8040446,3520m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1) - Mooresville, NC
Wade Ave (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8077015,-78.7169248,3325m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1) - Raleigh, NC
Old US-421 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0088896,-79.7555106,2871m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1) - Greensboro, NC
Bryan Blvd (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1098248,-79.8569234,8843m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1) - Greensboro, NC
All American Fwy (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0845539,-78.9320885,11616m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1) - Fayetteville, NC
Lowell Connector
A part of the Berkshire Connector
Something near Nashua I think
Arizona
The short spur freeway from Loop 202 into Sky Harbor Airport. It is signed as "To AZ 143," but is shown on the books as "SR 202S."
The completed section of Northern Parkway (actually, it will be a full freeway when finished) doesn't yet have a number assigned, as it is still a Maricopa County road. From what I understand, it won't be numbered until the entire route is completed to the Loop 101, and the highway is then turned over to ADOT.
Illinois
The furthest-north section of the IL 53 freeway, from Dundee Rd to Lake Cook Rd, has no number. IL 53 exits at Dundee Rd. and has as long as I can remember (mid 1970s). Google Maps shows that leg to be IL 53, but other sources say it's still unsigned.
One locally in Fresno is Golden State Boulevard north of Cherry Avenue which was Old US 99 before it moved to the Golden State Freeway completely. There is still a freeway stub that merges into modern CA 99.
For now the West Side Parkway in Bakersfield but it will eventually be CA 58.
Whitehead Highway in Hartford.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 08, 2020, 12:24:41 AM
Lowell Connector
A part of the Berkshire Connector
Something near Nashua I think
Wasn't the Lowell Connector once BSI-495?
Sam Jones Expressway/Airport Expressway (Indianapolis)- was never signed as a state highway
Keystone Parkway (Carmel)- formerly a state highway with stoplights, city of Carmel took over the roadway and made it a freeway with roundabout interchanges
The LL Tisdale Parkway and the Gilcrease Expressway west of US 75 in Tulsa.
Physically, a very short section where I-76 and I-80 bump in Ohio, which is entirely unnamed. Also a short section of the Ohio Turnpike in that same place if it doesn't have a secret number. Even though per the log I-76 and I-80 change roadways where they cross, I consider a wrong-way concurrency to exist through the toll booths.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 07, 2020, 11:59:29 PM
Peña Boulevard in Denver connecting to DIA.
Fixed (in part thanks to having a Spanish keyboard). It's not "Pity" Boulevard AFAIC.
I live within a few miles of 2 unnumbered freeway sections and use both of them often. Gwinnett County, GA has both the Ronald Reagan Parkway and the Sugarloaf Parkway Extension.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 08, 2020, 12:24:41 AM
Something near Nashua I think
I think you mean the Circumferential Highway (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Circumferential+Hwy,+New+Hampshire,+USA/@42.7261847,-71.4643772,13z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x89e3b0868fb13793:0x91802107b9504cf!8m2!3d42.7248252!4d-71.4345081) in Nashua, which was meant to be a bypass route around the city of Nashua but most of it was never built.
In Nashua, after US 3 leaves at exit 7, the Everett Turnpike is an unnumbered freeway for ~20.36 km (12.65 mi) running through Merrimack and Bedford until the I-293/NH 101 interchange in Manchester.
In Rhode Island, the T. F. Green Airport Connector Road (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._F._Green_Airport_Connector_Road)in Warwick is an unnumbered highway for 1.8 km (1.1 mi).
In Connecticut, after exit 35 (formerly 90) on I-395, the Connecticut Turnpike leaves I-395 (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7733802,-71.838792,13.17z) and becomes its own unnumbered freeway for 7.23 km (4.49 mi) before terminating at US 6 towards Providence RI.
I'm not sure if the Falmouth Spur in Falmouth ME even counts. While today's signage and mile markers say just "Falmouth Spur" on it, it technically is unsigned I-495...
Not sure if this list is complete or not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:NE2/unnumbered_freeways (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:NE2/unnumbered_freeways)
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on April 08, 2020, 03:41:20 AM
Sam Jones Expressway/Airport Expressway (Indianapolis)- was never signed as a state highway
Keystone Parkway (Carmel)- formerly a state highway with stoplights, city of Carmel took over the roadway and made it a freeway with roundabout interchanges
A segment of Shadeland Ave on the SE side of Indy is freeway. It used to be part of IN 100 but that was quite a while ago.
I'm pretty sure Michigan's freeways all have a route number. Originally the Davison Freeway was numberless but has been M-8 for about 25 years.
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 08, 2020, 08:27:24 AM
... has been M-8 for about 25 years.
M-8 was designated about 1993, but not posted until 1997 when the rebuild was complete.
Quote from: fwydriver405 on April 08, 2020, 06:45:11 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 08, 2020, 12:24:41 AM
Something near Nashua I think
I think you mean the Circumferential Highway (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Circumferential+Hwy,+New+Hampshire,+USA/@42.7261847,-71.4643772,13z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x89e3b0868fb13793:0x91802107b9504cf!8m2!3d42.7248252!4d-71.4345081) in Nashua, which was meant to be a bypass route around the city of Nashua but most of it was never built.
In Nashua, after US 3 leaves at exit 7, the Everett Turnpike is an unnumbered freeway for ~20.36 km (12.65 mi) running through Merrimack and Bedford until the I-293/NH 101 interchange in Manchester.
In Rhode Island, the T. F. Green Airport Connector Road (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._F._Green_Airport_Connector_Road)in Warwick is an unnumbered highway for 1.8 km (1.1 mi).
In Connecticut, after exit 35 (formerly 90) on I-395, the Connecticut Turnpike leaves I-395 (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7733802,-71.838792,13.17z) and becomes its own unnumbered freeway for 7.23 km (4.49 mi) before terminating at US 6 towards Providence RI.
I'm not sure if the Falmouth Spur in Falmouth ME even counts. While today's signage and mile markers say just "Falmouth Spur" on it, it technically is unsigned I-495...
The CT turnpike is unsigned CT 695.
Not sure if anyone's said the Jersey Turnpike south of I-95, Garden State Parkway, and Atlantic City Expressway (the Parkway is technically unsigned NJ-444 but I don't think that matters). There's also Florida's Turnpike, even though, again, it's an unsigned state route FL-91.
Quote from: Ketchup99 on April 08, 2020, 11:16:45 AM
Not sure if anyone's said the Jersey Turnpike south of I-95, Garden State Parkway, and Atlantic City Expressway (the Parkway is technically unsigned NJ-444 but I don't think that matters). There's also Florida's Turnpike, even though, again, it's an unsigned state route FL-91.
I took the OP to mean designations like the NJ Turnpike as "numbers", as I think those roads are signed.
Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on April 08, 2020, 01:16:23 AM
Whitehead Highway in Hartford.
It's actually unsigned SR 598
The TF Green Airport Connector
James White Parkway in Knoxville south of when TN-158 leaves the route and Sam Cooper Boulevard in Memphis are Tennessee's only unsigned freeways.
Kentucky's parkways have internal route numbers, but they aren't signed.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on April 08, 2020, 05:08:54 AM
Physically, a very short section where I-76 and I-80 bump in Ohio, which is entirely unnamed. Also a short section of the Ohio Turnpike in that same place if it doesn't have a secret number. Even though per the log I-76 and I-80 change roadways where they cross, I consider a wrong-way concurrency to exist through the toll booths.
If you're referring to the double trumpet that serves as the entrance/exit connector (thru the toll booths) between the Turnpike and I-76 west and I-80 east, then you'd have to consider thousands of those same type structures across the country/world. :confused: I don't think the OP had this in mind.
If you're referring to the southerly extension of that trumpet to Mahoning Avenue (CR-18) utilizing the original interchange with the Turnpike, that's not a freeway by any stretch of the imagination; it's nothing more than a glorified connecting exit/entrance ramp, with a posted speed limit of 35 mph--certainly not a freeway.
For somebody traveling in either direction on Mahoning Avenue/CR-18, the connection only allows access to the Turnpike (I-80 west, and I-76 east), and doesn't permit one to access I-80 east, or I-76 west. Likewise, somebody traveling on I-80 west or I-76 east *prior to the Turnpike* cannot access this connector to get to Mahoning Ave.
So to summarize: it's a short section of road, with a reduced speed limit, one lane in each direction separated only by a foot-high or less concrete median, and provides only a connection to and from the Turnpike, and not the other major east-west freeway at that interchange = NOT a freeway. :paranoid:
View:
https://goo.gl/maps/W4iCp2QvzzoYyPPu7
The road leading up to the terminal of the Kansas City Airport (Cookingham Drive west of I-29) is a freeway. It has three interchanges, but has one at-grade intersection (I won't count it, because it is restricted access).
In Illinois, the Ohio-Ontario Feeder, the Congress Extension of the Eisenhower Expressway, the Stoney Island Feeder and the Chinatown Feeder in Chicago are all un-numbered.
In Madison, WI, Campus Dr is un-numbered.
Mike
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Sam Cooper Blvd in Memphis. It was meant to become part of I-40 and was partially built but locals blocked building it through the Memphis Zoo.
To my knowledge, it has no numerical designation.
Quote from: mrcmc888 on April 08, 2020, 11:32:20 AM
James White Parkway in Knoxville south of when TN-158 leaves the route and Sam Cooper Boulevard in Memphis are Tennessee's only unsigned freeways.
Quote from: CoreySamson on April 08, 2020, 01:40:24 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Sam Cooper Blvd in Memphis. It was meant to become part of I-40 and was partially built but locals blocked building it through the Memphis Zoo.
To my knowledge, it has no numerical designation.
Mentioned on the previous page.
I don't believe Minnesota has any today. Before 2008 there was a short unnamed/unnumbered freeway section connecting I-494 to US 212, before 212 was routed onto this section when the new 212 freeway was completed.
Quote from: GaryV on April 08, 2020, 09:51:55 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 08, 2020, 08:27:24 AM
... has been M-8 for about 25 years.
M-8 was designated about 1993, but not posted until 1997 when the rebuild was complete.
Yeah I'm pretty sure it became MDOT maintained just to get the rebuild done. The pavement hadn't been replaced up to that point since it became a freeway in the early 1940's. Only becoming a freeway as a quick way to get across Highland Park, now it could actually be a street again and do just fine.
Quote from: Rothman on April 07, 2020, 11:17:54 PM
Adirondack Northway south of the Thruway.
And the portion of the Thruway mainline through the 24 interchange where 87 leaves and 90 joins north/westbound, and vice versa south/eastbound. And, the Berkshire Spur west of B1. Yes, I know there are NYS Reference Route numbers, but they're not officially signed with numbers.
Alfred Harrell Highway in Bakersfield. Minnesota Drive in Anchorage. Wayne Gretzky Drive in Edmonton.
There is one north of Alliance, Ohio that was intended to carry US-62 eastward towards Salem, Ohio, where it was supposed to multiplex with OH-14 for a stretch.
The portion near Alliance is shown on Google Maps as 62-T (Temporary) but is not signed, except for a few signs that read "To 225", an Ohio north/south route where the freeways ends.
The shorter portion north of Salem is shown on Google Maps as 14-T (Temporary) on its western stretch, and US-62 on a short eastern stretch.
Link: https://goo.gl/maps/n2X4dZEedHAH7SZcA
The old section of the Elgin-O'hare Expressway in IL used to have no number when IDOT controlled it. When ISTHA took it over and actually extended it to O'hare and instituted tolling, it became the IL 390 Elgin-O'hare Tollway, so now it is numbered
If things like the Ohio Street and Chinatown Feeders in Downtown Chicago are listed, so would be the University Ave Feeder into Champaign from the I-72/I-74 Cloverleaf
Delta Highway in Eugene is a freeway from I-105 to Beltline Road (SR 569) that has no number.
Rick
A number of turnpikes in Oklahoma have no route numbers as far as I know: the Chickasaw, Kilpatrick, and Indian Nation, plus the Cimarron and HE Bailey Norman Spurs.
CA-275 West Sacramento has a freeway ramp stub for US-50 but that is unsigned and is known more as Tower Bridge Gateway and Capital Mall.
Hidden CA-244 Sacramento is not a numbered route.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 08, 2020, 05:24:54 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 07, 2020, 11:17:54 PM
Adirondack Northway south of the Thruway.
And the portion of the Thruway mainline through the 24 interchange where 87 leaves and 90 joins north/westbound, and vice versa south/eastbound. And, the Berkshire Spur west of B1. Yes, I know there are NYS Reference Route numbers, but they're not officially signed with numbers.
There is, however, a freeway that doesn't even have a reference route number - the JFK Expressway. Even the Central Westchester Parkway is unsigned Westchester CR 150 (the county portion of the Bronx River Parkway doesn't appear to have a number, but has a ton of at-grades).
Quote from: bing101 on April 08, 2020, 08:16:09 PM
CA-275 West Sacramento has a freeway ramp stub for US-50 but that is unsigned and is known more as Tower Bridge Gateway and Capital Mall.
Hidden CA-244 Sacramento is not a numbered route.
244 has some post mile paddles that reveal the route number.
A new-but-old unnumbered freeway segment:
Former Interstate 70 east of I-695 in Baltimore, MD
I'm shocked no one has mentioned Ontario's Queen Elizabeth Way
Quote from: Crown Victoria on April 08, 2020, 09:09:17 PM
A new-but-old unnumbered freeway segment:
Former Interstate 70 east of I-695 in Baltimore, MD
Isn't that part of US 40? Or is that a segment of a different cancelled Baltimore Freeway?
Quote from: Crown Victoria on April 08, 2020, 09:09:17 PM
A new-but-old unnumbered freeway segment:
Former Interstate 70 east of I-695 in Baltimore, MD
Still part of I-70. It was authorized for removal from I-70 to make way for a new transit facility. However, that facility got canceled, so the removal got canceled too.
Quote from: nexus73 on April 08, 2020, 06:44:49 PM
Delta Highway in Eugene is a freeway from I-105 to Beltline Road (SR 569) that has no number.
Rick
Not for long. Lane County is in the process of transferring jurisdiction to ODOT, and when that's complete the Delta Highway will be OR 132.
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on April 08, 2020, 12:26:01 AM
Illinois
The furthest-north section of the IL 53 freeway, from Dundee Rd to Lake Cook Rd, has no number. IL 53 exits at Dundee Rd. and has as long as I can remember (mid 1970s). Google Maps shows that leg to be IL 53, but other sources say it's still unsigned.
While it might technically not have a number, it's mostly signed at Lake Cook Road as IL 53.
Eastbound Lake Cook (https://goo.gl/maps/nx7EzjawCGQvuQZE7)
WB Lake Cook (https://goo.gl/maps/CtNmyz7pGgNsY6t97)
WB Lake Cook gore assembly (https://goo.gl/maps/JEoeKJxGBx8QedFg9)
At IL 68 it's signed without the number (https://goo.gl/maps/tctBW3QRt3RZnkxF7)
There's also the numberless freeway segment of Palatine Road not too far away.
In the St. Louis area there's the freeway segment of Forest Park Parkway through Clayton.
Example signage (https://goo.gl/maps/VDd2gUr9b1CwUg5u9)
Quote from: ilpt4u on April 08, 2020, 06:43:27 PM
The old section of the Elgin-O'hare Expressway in IL used to have no number when IDOT controlled it. When ISTHA took it over and actually extended it to O'hare and instituted tolling, it became the IL 390 Elgin-O'hare Tollway, so now it is numbered
The Elgin-O'Hare was going to be signed as IL 19 before it opened, which would have removed that number from Irving Park Rd. Signs had already been erected on the E-OH and were visible at the intersection of Rohlwing Rd. and Thorndale Ave. while the finishing touches were being put on the freeway. The cities and villages along Irving protested, and those signs were removed before the road opened.
QuoteIf things like the Ohio Street and Chinatown Feeders in Downtown Chicago are listed...
IIRC, the Ohio St. feeder was supposed to be part of the never-built Crosstown Expressway, which had been given I-494.
Quote from: Revive 755 on April 08, 2020, 10:16:03 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on April 08, 2020, 12:26:01 AM
Illinois
The furthest-north section of the IL 53 freeway, from Dundee Rd to Lake Cook Rd, has no number. IL 53 exits at Dundee Rd. and has as long as I can remember (mid 1970s). Google Maps shows that leg to be IL 53, but other sources say it's still unsigned.
While it might technically not have a number, it's mostly signed at Lake Cook Road as IL 53.
Eastbound Lake Cook (https://goo.gl/maps/nx7EzjawCGQvuQZE7)
WB Lake Cook (https://goo.gl/maps/CtNmyz7pGgNsY6t97)
WB Lake Cook gore assembly (https://goo.gl/maps/JEoeKJxGBx8QedFg9)
At IL 68 it's signed without the number (https://goo.gl/maps/tctBW3QRt3RZnkxF7)
The off ramp from northbound 53 to Dundee Rd. (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1386046,-88.0024965,3a,75y,358.73h,100.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN2_HE9ndig0f4OBzOhZ_QQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) shows Dundee westbound signed as IL 53 & 68, just as it has for at least 40 years. Google maps labels the "last mile" (or, first mile if going south. :) ) between Dundee and Lake Cook Rds as "IL 53 Spur."
The end of the line, at Lake Cook Rd. (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1506509,-88.0137216,3a,75y,314.86h,92.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slgMZIQTV3E_39bYMTXIH1g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
QuoteThere's also the numberless freeway segment of Palatine Road not too far away.
That's not a freeway. It's a limited-access expressway, but has several at-grade intersections at major streets. Again, the same as it was when I lived in Palatine in the early 1980s. AFAIK, it has never been assigned a number.
A few that have absolutely no number, to my knowledge (this includes hidden / unsigned designations):
- Minnesota Dr. freeway in Anchorage, AK
- Veterans Pkwy in Savannah, GA
- Harry S Truman Pkwy in Savannah, GA
- Sugarloaf Pkwy (east of GA-20) in Lawrenceville, GA
- Puncheon Run Connector in Dover, DE
- La Jolla Pkwy in La Jolla, CA
A couple more dubious examples:
- The Intermodal Connector in Norfolk, VA (partial interchange at I-564, incomplete interchange at other end with VA-337)
- The A/C St. expressway in Anchorage, AK (includes a full T interchange with the entrance to the Port of Anchorage, but could be considered a bridge approach)
- Busch Gardens Blvd in Williamsburg, VA (short and more of an entranceway, but completely grade-separated and with full interchanges at US-60 and I-64)
The Morgantown Spur off 176 (the old alignment).
Jamboree Rd in Irvine, CA for a couple of miles south of CA 261
https://goo.gl/maps/b6y6HaeC54o6Jz2g6 (https://goo.gl/maps/b6y6HaeC54o6Jz2g6)
Quote from: mgk920 on April 08, 2020, 12:22:32 PM
In Madison, WI, Campus Dr is un-numbered.
Mike
1. Isn't this Dane County MS?
2. This isn't really a freeway, just a regular road with an interchange.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 08, 2020, 02:54:25 PM
I don't believe Minnesota has any today. Before 2008 there was a short unnamed/unnumbered freeway section connecting I-494 to US 212, before 212 was routed onto this section when the new 212 freeway was completed.
Wasn't that technically MN-312 at the time? I remember the MN-5 portion being a MN-5/312 multiplex according to signage on the crossing surface streets.
The West Seattle Freeway / Spokane Street Viaduct in Seattle is maintained by the city and has been "demoted" on signage to just say West Seattle Bridge. It has had a lower speed limit for quite some time despite being at near-freeway standards (when open).
The Airport Expressway at Sea-Tac Airport is maintained by the Port of Seattle and does not have a real name. We're not very creative with our highway names, despite having plenty of fine people to memorialize (including those who would pay $$$ for it).
Quote from: coldshoulder on April 08, 2020, 11:50:17 AMIf you're referring to the double trumpet that serves as the entrance/exit connector (thru the toll booths) between the Turnpike and I-76 west and I-80 east, then you'd have to consider thousands of those same type structures across the country/world. :confused: I don't think the OP had this in mind.
If you're referring to the southerly extension of that trumpet to Mahoning Avenue (CR-18) utilizing the original interchange with the Turnpike, that's not a freeway by any stretch of the imagination; it's nothing more than a glorified connecting exit/entrance ramp, with a posted speed limit of 35 mph--certainly not a freeway.
For somebody traveling in either direction on Mahoning Avenue/CR-18, the connection only allows access to the Turnpike (I-80 west, and I-76 east), and doesn't permit one to access I-80 east, or I-76 west. Likewise, somebody traveling on I-80 west or I-76 east *prior to the Turnpike* cannot access this connector to get to Mahoning Ave.
So to summarize: it's a short section of road, with a reduced speed limit, one lane in each direction separated only by a foot-high or less concrete median, and provides only a connection to and from the Turnpike, and not the other major east-west freeway at that interchange = NOT a freeway. :paranoid:
View:
https://goo.gl/maps/W4iCp2QvzzoYyPPu7
The section I was referring to wasn't either one (I consider the toll booths to have a wrong-way concurrency of I-76 and I-80, and thus to be numbered), but to the tiny stretch between the off-ramp to and the on-ramp from the Ohio Turnpike on the freeway that runs due East-West, which is physically unnumbered and even unnamed. Mr. Google puts the number of the oncoming road in both directions, even though one isn't yet in that.
Palisades Interstate Parkway
Garden State Parkway
NJTP south of I-95
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on April 09, 2020, 06:52:22 AM
Palisades Interstate Parkway
Garden State Parkway
NJTP south of I-95
NJ 445/NY 987C, NJ 444, NJ 700. Though none signed.
the Everett Turnpike for part of it's way has no numbers. (always thought it should be US 3 but whatever)
Quote from: Thing 342 on April 08, 2020, 11:31:48 PM
- The Intermodal Connector in Norfolk, VA (partial interchange at I-564, incomplete interchange at other end with VA-337)
The project published materials refer to it as the "I-564 Intermodal Connector."
That makes it sound like they were going to designate it as such, but in fact it connects I-564 to the central area of the Norfolk marine terminals. It does have full connections with the terminals and in its current form is meant to provide a freight interface between Interstate highways, mainline railroads, and shipping.
It will be a segment of a future highway connecting I-564 to the I-664 bridge-tunnel. As such that would probably entail a full interchange with VA-337, but given the high skew with I-564 they won't build northerly ramps there.
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 10:43:09 AM
It will be a segment of a future highway connecting I-564 to the I-664 bridge-tunnel. As such that would probably entail a full interchange with VA-337, but given the high skew with I-564 they won't build northerly ramps there.
The current design of the Third Crossing calls for completing the interchange at NIT / Gate 6 as a SPUI, but no connections besides the existing westbound exit ramp to VA-337.
(https://i.ibb.co/qgBtvqF/Third-Crossing-NITInterchange.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/kDS4sVY/Third-Crossing-Intermodal.png)
I haven't been down there in a while, but when I drove the connector back in September, the only access opened still was only to NIT. Gate 6 and the VA-337 westbound exit ramp where still both closed off. The project opened in that partial form in December 2017 and was supposed to be completed by September 2018, however still doesn't appear to be complete. VDOT's project website for the connector hadn't been updated for a while, and as of now has been deactivated.
In its current state, it's long enough to be considered a short independent freeway segment that does not carry a route number.
EDIT: Took a trip up there today, indeed nothing has changed. Only one lane of traffic, 35 mph speed limit, ongoing construction activity, and only access to NIT and to turn around back to I-564. Gate 6 and the VA-337 westbound exit ramp are striped and signed, as they were back in September, though are closed and the immediate approaches are blocked off. Project is currently 18 months behind schedule, and probably will be longer. It'll be a miracle when they finish it.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on April 09, 2020, 05:13:00 AM
Quote from: coldshoulder on April 08, 2020, 11:50:17 AMIf you're referring to the double trumpet that serves as the entrance/exit connector (thru the toll booths) between the Turnpike and I-76 west and I-80 east, then you'd have to consider thousands of those same type structures across the country/world. :confused: I don't think the OP had this in mind.
If you're referring to the southerly extension of that trumpet to Mahoning Avenue (CR-18) utilizing the original interchange with the Turnpike, that's not a freeway by any stretch of the imagination; it's nothing more than a glorified connecting exit/entrance ramp, with a posted speed limit of 35 mph--certainly not a freeway.
For somebody traveling in either direction on Mahoning Avenue/CR-18, the connection only allows access to the Turnpike (I-80 west, and I-76 east), and doesn't permit one to access I-80 east, or I-76 west. Likewise, somebody traveling on I-80 west or I-76 east *prior to the Turnpike* cannot access this connector to get to Mahoning Ave.
So to summarize: it's a short section of road, with a reduced speed limit, one lane in each direction separated only by a foot-high or less concrete median, and provides only a connection to and from the Turnpike, and not the other major east-west freeway at that interchange = NOT a freeway. :paranoid:
View:
https://goo.gl/maps/W4iCp2QvzzoYyPPu7
The section I was referring to wasn't either one (I consider the toll booths to have a wrong-way concurrency of I-76 and I-80, and thus to be numbered), but to the tiny stretch between the off-ramp to and the on-ramp from the Ohio Turnpike on the freeway that runs due East-West, which is physically unnumbered and even unnamed. Mr. Google puts the number of the oncoming road in both directions, even though one isn't yet in that.
I've been accused oftentimes of being dense, so perhaps this isn't too surprising. But I'm still confused as to what you're describing. It sounds exactly like I what presented in my first sentence and paragraph in my initial reply quoted above.
It seems to me it's
just a standard trumpet interchange that connects two major freeways; in this case maybe a little longer than most but certainly
not long enough to be considered an unnumbered freeway.
I believe it does have two lanes prior to the toll booths, coming off the Turnpike eastbound (being a major movement of I-80 East from the Turnpike to I-80 East, a non-tolled different carriageway). This stretch is
posted at 40 mph, again making the case that it's not a freeway.
Perhaps some other posters can help... :hmmm:
Quote from: coldshoulder on April 09, 2020, 11:45:09 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on April 09, 2020, 05:13:00 AM
Quote from: coldshoulder on April 08, 2020, 11:50:17 AMIf you're referring to the double trumpet that serves as the entrance/exit connector (thru the toll booths) between the Turnpike and I-76 west and I-80 east, then you'd have to consider thousands of those same type structures across the country/world. :confused: I don't think the OP had this in mind.
If you're referring to the southerly extension of that trumpet to Mahoning Avenue (CR-18) utilizing the original interchange with the Turnpike, that's not a freeway by any stretch of the imagination; it's nothing more than a glorified connecting exit/entrance ramp, with a posted speed limit of 35 mph--certainly not a freeway.
For somebody traveling in either direction on Mahoning Avenue/CR-18, the connection only allows access to the Turnpike (I-80 west, and I-76 east), and doesn't permit one to access I-80 east, or I-76 west. Likewise, somebody traveling on I-80 west or I-76 east *prior to the Turnpike* cannot access this connector to get to Mahoning Ave.
So to summarize: it's a short section of road, with a reduced speed limit, one lane in each direction separated only by a foot-high or less concrete median, and provides only a connection to and from the Turnpike, and not the other major east-west freeway at that interchange = NOT a freeway. :paranoid:
View:
https://goo.gl/maps/W4iCp2QvzzoYyPPu7
The section I was referring to wasn't either one (I consider the toll booths to have a wrong-way concurrency of I-76 and I-80, and thus to be numbered), but to the tiny stretch between the off-ramp to and the on-ramp from the Ohio Turnpike on the freeway that runs due East-West, which is physically unnumbered and even unnamed. Mr. Google puts the number of the oncoming road in both directions, even though one isn't yet in that.
I've been accused oftentimes of being dense, so perhaps this isn't too surprising. But I'm still confused as to what you're describing. It sounds exactly like I what presented in my first sentence and paragraph in my initial reply quoted above.
It seems to me it's just a standard trumpet interchange that connects two major freeways; in this case maybe a little longer than most but certainly not long enough to be considered an unnumbered freeway.
I believe it does have two lanes prior to the toll booths, coming off the Turnpike eastbound (being a major movement of I-80 East from the Turnpike to I-80 East, a non-tolled different carriageway). This stretch is posted at 40 mph, again making the case that it's not a freeway.
Perhaps some other posters can help... :hmmm:
The stretch he is referring to is on the mainline, not on the ramp.
A better thread title would be "freeways without
signed route numbers". Many of the examples cited have route number designations, but are not signed with those designations.
Quote from: DJ Particle on April 09, 2020, 12:56:23 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 08, 2020, 02:54:25 PM
I don't believe Minnesota has any today. Before 2008 there was a short unnamed/unnumbered freeway section connecting I-494 to US 212, before 212 was routed onto this section when the new 212 freeway was completed.
Wasn't that technically MN-312 at the time? I remember the MN-5 portion being a MN-5/312 multiplex according to signage on the crossing surface streets.
That segment between 494 and Flying Cloud was never MN 312. Prior to the completion of the US 212 freeway, it had the internal designation of MN 805.
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 10:43:09 AM
Quote from: Thing 342 on April 08, 2020, 11:31:48 PM
- The Intermodal Connector in Norfolk, VA (partial interchange at I-564, incomplete interchange at other end with VA-337)
The project published materials refer to it as the "I-564 Intermodal Connector."
The VDOT route logs of the early 2000s listed it as VA 510, though that designation does not appear to be in current use.
Current (March 2020) VDOT road shapefiles, curiously, do not show the Intermodel Connector. Online GIS maps suggest it's currently designated as a pair of ramps.
In Fayetteville, AR I don't think Fulbright Expressway (the northern one) has a route designation. On I-49, it is signed as 71B, though 71B dosen't actually goes on the expressway, as 71B appears to continue on College Ave on either side of the interchange.
Quote from: -- US 175 -- on April 08, 2020, 02:45:16 PM
Quote from: mrcmc888 on April 08, 2020, 11:32:20 AM
James White Parkway in Knoxville south of when TN-158 leaves the route and Sam Cooper Boulevard in Memphis are Tennessee's only unsigned freeways.
Quote from: CoreySamson on April 08, 2020, 01:40:24 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Sam Cooper Blvd in Memphis. It was meant to become part of I-40 and was partially built but locals blocked building it through the Memphis Zoo.
To my knowledge, it has no numerical designation.
Mentioned on the previous page.
Oops, didn't see that.
I'm assuming the Hardy Toll Road, the Westpark Tollway, and the Fort Bend Parkway in Houston qualify for this, since none of those have numerical designations.
One could also say Memorial Drive immediately west of downtown Houston is a freeway for a couple of blocks.
Also, wouldn't the Sam Houston Tollway qualify for this? Beltway 8 isn't the freeway portion of the route, it's the feeder road; so technically the Sam Houston Tollway might qualify.
Quote from: oscar on April 08, 2020, 09:18:25 PM
Quote from: Crown Victoria on April 08, 2020, 09:09:17 PM
A new-but-old unnumbered freeway segment:
Former Interstate 70 east of I-695 in Baltimore, MD
Still part of I-70. It was authorized for removal from I-70 to make way for a new transit facility. However, that facility got canceled, so the removal got canceled too.
Well I do know that the removal of I-70 east of I-695 was submitted to and approved by AASHTO a few years ago, and there are no reassurance signs on that stretch of road. However, there are signs on I-695 and over on Ingleside Avenue showing it as I-70 (old signs, perhaps).
FWIW, Wikipedia lists I-70's terminus as the interchange with I-695, while Google Maps shows it extending to its old end at the park and ride. Both are of course know for their accuracy...
Is NE2's list on Wikipedia (see first page) up to date?
West Seattle Bridge is a freeway but that's owned by the city of Seattle.
Quote from: Crown Victoria on April 09, 2020, 03:46:15 PM
Quote from: oscar on April 08, 2020, 09:18:25 PM
Quote from: Crown Victoria on April 08, 2020, 09:09:17 PM
A new-but-old unnumbered freeway segment:
Former Interstate 70 east of I-695 in Baltimore, MD
Still part of I-70. It was authorized for removal from I-70 to make way for a new transit facility. However, that facility got canceled, so the removal got canceled too.
Well I do know that the removal of I-70 east of I-695 was submitted to and approved by AASHTO a few years ago, and there are no reassurance signs on that stretch of road. However, there are signs on I-695 and over on Ingleside Avenue showing it as I-70 (old signs, perhaps).
FWIW, Wikipedia lists I-70's terminus as the interchange with I-695, while Google Maps shows it extending to its old end at the park and ride. Both are of course know for their accuracy...
I've seen other situations where a DOT got AASHTO approval for a route change, then decided "oh, never mind" and didn't make the change.
In this instance, the latest state route logs I've reviewed agree with Google Maps, though there's enough inconsistent signage to confuse people about the I-70 endpoint.
There were still US-10 signs for the Lodge Freeway in Detroit into the 2000's and US-10 has been scaled back to end at I-75 near Bay City since 1986. Even though it's still route 10 as it's M-10 the signs were still the old signs for US-10.
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 10:55:01 AM
I haven't been down there in a while, but when I drove the connector back in September, the only access opened still was only to NIT. Gate 6 and the VA-337 westbound exit ramp where still both closed off. The project opened in that partial form in December 2017 and was supposed to be completed by September 2018, however still doesn't appear to be complete. VDOT's project website for the connector hadn't been updated for a while, and as of now has been deactivated.
Took a trip up there today, indeed nothing has changed. Only one lane of traffic, 35 mph speed limit, ongoing construction activity, and only access to NIT and to turn around back to I-564. Gate 6 and the VA-337 westbound exit ramp are striped and signed, as they were back in September, though are closed and the immediate approaches are blocked off. Project is currently 18 months behind schedule, and probably will be longer. It'll be a miracle when they finish it.
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 06:07:56 PM
[I-564 Intermodal Connector]
Took a trip up there today, indeed nothing has changed. Only one lane of traffic, 35 mph speed limit, ongoing construction activity, and only access to NIT and to turn around back to I-564. Gate 6 and the VA-337 westbound exit ramp are striped and signed, as they were back in September, though are closed and the immediate approaches are blocked off. Project is currently 18 months behind schedule, and probably will be longer. It'll be a miracle when they finish it.
The highway is showing on Google Street View as completed, at least the original project. One lane each way is blocked with barrels, and it looks like a sound barrier installation project is underway, apparently a separate project, and that is why the lanes are closed, to give plenty of room for construction activities.
Keep in mind that while this is a vital truck route that one lane each way can easily handle the truck AADT which is probably not over 2,000, and even if it is 2 or 3 times that, still no congestion.
It appears that all the connections in the terminal area have been built.
When I drove it in the past there was hardly any car traffic, and it really isn't configured to be a route for cars.
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 06:28:54 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 06:07:56 PM
[I-564 Intermodal Connector]
Took a trip up there today, indeed nothing has changed. Only one lane of traffic, 35 mph speed limit, ongoing construction activity, and only access to NIT and to turn around back to I-564. Gate 6 and the VA-337 westbound exit ramp are striped and signed, as they were back in September, though are closed and the immediate approaches are blocked off. Project is currently 18 months behind schedule, and probably will be longer. It'll be a miracle when they finish it.
The highway is showing on Google Street View as completed, at least the original project. One lane each way is blocked with barrels, and it looks like a sound barrier installation project is underway, apparently a separate project, and that is why the lanes are closed, to give plenty of room for construction activities.
Keep in mind that while this is a vital truck route that one lane each way can easily handle the truck AADT which is probably not over 2,000, and even if it is 2 or 3 times that, still no congestion.
It appears that all the connections in the terminal area have been built.
http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/financial_plans/I-564_Financial_Plan_AU17_Signed.pdf
QuoteFollowing the execution of CM 010 (Global Settlement), CHC submitted and EFLHD approved a revised baseline schedule in October 2016, with a completion date for Port Access (incentivized milestone) by December 21, 2017 and full project completion by October 15, 2018. In addition to the Intermodal Connector, several projects are being completed by other partner agencies in and around the current project limits. As shown in Exhibit 2, the current project timeline forecasts I-564 construction will be simultaneously underway during the following projects:
- The Virginia Port Authority (VPA) constructed a new North Gate that will interface directly to the Southwestern terminus. The North Gate opened in July 2017.
- The Navy is constructing a new Gate 6 that will interface directly to the Northwestern terminus. Gate 6 is anticipated to be complete in Spring 2018.
- The Navy will need access within the current work zone to construct a Commercial Vehicle Inspection Building (CVIS) in winter 2017-2018.
The only piece of the project open as of today is the NIT Gate. The Naval Station Norfolk Gate 6, the CVIS Building, and the public ramp to Hampton Blvd have still not been completed, currently 14 months behind schedule (I said September 2018 above, it was actually October 2018). Presumably all 4 lanes of traffic were supposed to be open as well judging by the fact it is striped and merely one lane controlled via cones.
Not to mention, it looked like they tore half the roadway back up from what was already completed from my last trip in September.
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 06:28:54 PM
When I drove it in the past there was hardly any car traffic, and it really isn't configured to be a route for cars.
Currently no, but in October 2018, ramps to Hampton Blvd and Gate 6 of Naval Station Norfolk were supposed to be opened to (car) traffic, and as of April 9, 2020, still are not complete or open. That would be a major draw for Base access, especially during rush hour commute, early in the morning (5-6 am) and early afternoon (2-3 pm).
I will attempt to post dashcam video soon from today.
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 06:36:51 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 06:28:54 PM
[I-564 Intermodal Connector]
It appears that all the connections in the terminal area have been built.
http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/financial_plans/I-564_Financial_Plan_AU17_Signed.pdf
Like I said, even on Google Street View and Satellite View with whatever latency they have for when it was shot, it appears that all the roadways are there.
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 06:36:51 PM
The only piece of the project open as of today is the NIT Gate. The Naval Station Norfolk Gate 6, the CVIS Building, and the public ramp to Hampton Blvd have still not been completed, currently 14 months behind schedule (I said September 2018 above, it was actually October 2018). Presumably all 4 lanes of traffic were supposed to be open as well judging by the fact it is striped and merely one lane controlled via cones.
Not to mention, it looked like they tore half the roadway back up from what was already completed from my last trip in September.
That roadway to Hampton Blvd shows as complete on GMSV. It is only 1 lane each way and that would limit the capacity.
One of the ramps is completed, but goes into the Norfolk Naval Station Pass and ID facility which is still under construction (or was when GMSV was shot), and the latter would be a separate Navy project.
In any event, the project website just went offline and we will have to wait for it to come back online, to see what sort of explanations might be there. If the original project is still under construction then they should keep the website up.
i564intermodal.com
NOTICE: This domain name expired on 4/3/2020 and is pending renewal or deletion.
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 06:36:51 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 06:28:54 PM
When I drove it in the past there was hardly any car traffic, and it really isn't configured to be a route for cars.
Currently no, but in October 2018, ramps to Hampton Blvd and Gate 6 of Naval Station Norfolk were supposed to be opened to (car) traffic, and as of April 9, 2020, still are not complete or open. That would be a major draw for Base access, especially during rush hour commute, early in the morning (5-6 am) and early afternoon (2-3 pm).
They can drive to and from the terminals now.
The vast majority of Naval Station Norfolk is north of Taussig Blvd. and that will still be accessed by I-564 and Taussig Blvd.
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:11:36 PM
Like I said, even on Google Street View and Satellite View with whatever latency they have for when it was shot, it appears that all the roadways are there.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9338837,-76.3034322,3a,47.5y,273.81h,87.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sB3aUopftarHmuShg8jINOg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Except for this section which is now completely torn up and under construction again. Video forthcoming. Roads are there, but the westbound lanes are still not fully striped, and both ramps are closed.
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:11:36 PM
That roadway to Hampton Blvd shows as complete on GMSV. It is only 1 lane each way and that would limit the capacity.
As far as I was aware, it was to be one-lane, one-way ramp, and as of today, it is still blocked off and closed.
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:11:36 PM
One of the ramps is completed, but goes into the Norfolk Naval Station Pass and ID facility which is still under construction (or was when GMSV was shot), and the latter would be a separate Navy project.
The Norfolk Naval Station Pass and ID facility appears completed, even as of that imagery. Looking at aerial imagery, it appears the connecting roads on the base are also completed.
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:11:36 PM
In any event, the project website just went offline and we will have to wait for it to come back online, to see what sort of explanations might be there. If the original project is still under construction then they should keep the website up.
i564intermodal.com
NOTICE: This domain name expired on 4/3/2020 and is pending renewal or deletion.
The last time I checked that site, a few months ago, it was outdated. I think it's safe to say it won't be coming back online.
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:11:36 PM
The vast majority of Naval Station Norfolk is north of Taussig Blvd. and that will still be accessed by I-564 and Taussig Blvd.
Traffic. The base isn't a breeze to enter during morning commute. The lines often back well up onto I-564 near Terminal Blvd. Having an additional, high-capacity access point will relieve some of those issues. It will likely be well utilized upon completion.
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 07:22:32 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:11:36 PM
Like I said, even on Google Street View and Satellite View with whatever latency they have for when it was shot, it appears that all the roadways are there.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9338837,-76.3034322,3a,47.5y,273.81h,87.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sB3aUopftarHmuShg8jINOg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Except for this section which is now completely torn up and under construction again. Video forthcoming. Roads are there, but the westbound lanes are still not fully striped, and both ramps are closed.
Maybe an embankment failure. Those coastal soils and high water table require special care in order to build a proper embankment.
Next time I am in VA Beach I can check it out.
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 07:22:32 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:11:36 PM
That roadway to Hampton Blvd shows as complete on GMSV. It is only 1 lane each way and that would limit the capacity.
As far as I was aware, it was to be one-lane, one-way ramp, and as of today, it is still blocked off and closed.
Not sure why they would need to do that.
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 07:22:32 PM
The Norfolk Naval Station Pass and ID facility appears completed, even as of that imagery. Looking at aerial imagery, it appears the connecting roads on the base are also completed.
Any sign of traffic using the ID facility? The Navy may or may not have opened it yet.
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 07:22:32 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:11:36 PM
The vast majority of Naval Station Norfolk is north of Taussig Blvd. and that will still be accessed by I-564 and Taussig Blvd.
Traffic. The base isn't a breeze to enter during morning commute. The lines often back well up onto I-564 near Terminal Blvd. Having an additional, high-capacity access point will relieve some of those issues. It will likely be well utilized upon completion.
One lane each way will not be high capacity, though, and the access point only touches the south end of the base, and marine terminal traffic would use it as well.
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:35:28 PM
Maybe an embankment failure. Those coastal soils and high water table require special care in order to build a proper embankment.
Are they going to have to tear the highway up every year?
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:35:28 PM
Any sign of traffic using the ID facility? The Navy may or may not have opened it yet.
It's closed and blocked off, though the approach roadways on the Navy side and facility itself appear complete, even as of the May 2019 imagery.
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:35:28 PM
One lane each way will not be high capacity, though, and the access point only touches the south end of the base, and marine terminal traffic would use it as well.
The reconstructed Gate 6 has 3 inbound lanes and is 4 lane roadway on the Base itself. The approach heading inbound will be 2 lanes. It's not "one lane each way".
This is quite visible on aerial imagery.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9338458,-76.323347,316m/data=!3m1!1e3
From the archived I-564 project website (https://web.archive.org/web/20190114001020/http://www.i564intermodal.com/about/project-overview/):
QuoteThe I-564 Intermodal Connector project in Norfolk, VA will connect the existing I-564 through Naval Station Norfolk (NSN) and to the Norfolk International Terminals (NIT), part of the Port of Virginia. The new roadway, to terminate near Hampton Boulevard (Route 337), will provide a safer high-speed highway that should decrease congestion, redirect heavy truck traffic from Norfolk city streets, and provide improved access for the 80,000 vehicles entering and exiting the navy base every day.
* Design and construction of a new 2.82-mile, four-lane limited access highway
* Construction of multiple new bridges and local connectors
* A reconfigured Commercial Vehicle Inspection Station (CVIS) for NSN
* Relocation of NSN Gate 6 (entry control point)
* Relocation of NSN's Patrol Road
* Construction of new access road to the Virginia Port Authority's North Gate Terminal
Project Schedule
Start of Construction: Summer 2015
Final Completion: Fall 2018
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 07:39:18 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:35:28 PM
Maybe an embankment failure. Those coastal soils and high water table require special care in order to build a proper embankment.
Are they going to have to tear the highway up every year?
If that is what happened then they will fix it, and likely not need to do it again. That doesn't mean that it is ok to happen even once.
This could explain how the original contract was finished (if it was), with a repair contract being used for the above, if that is what happened.
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 07:39:18 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:35:28 PM
Any sign of traffic using the ID facility? The Navy may or may not have opened it yet.
It's closed and blocked off.
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 07:39:18 PM
The reconstructed Gate 6 has 3 inbound lanes and is 4 lane roadway on the Base itself. The approach heading inbound will be 2 lanes. It's not "one lane each way". This is quite visible on aerial imagery. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9338458,-76.323347,316m/data=!3m1!1e3
Yes, I saw where the new road system in the terminal area also connects to the Navy base. But that when inbound requires exiting into the ID facility and then following a ramp alongside where the Intermodal Connector passes over VA-337, and then to the end of the IC.
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 07:39:18 PM
provide improved access for the 80,000 vehicles entering and exiting the navy base every day.
Probably a -slight- improvement...
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:46:10 PM
Yes, I saw where the new road system in the terminal area also connects to the Navy base. But that when inbound requires exiting into the ID facility and then following a ramp alongside where the Intermodal Connector passes over VA-337, and then to the end of the IC.
That "single lane roadway" is the Commercial Vehicle Inspection Station. General base traffic will utilize the 3-lane inbound lanes passing through the gate where ID is checked.
Commercial Vehicle Inspection Station ramp - https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9341083,-76.3147827,3a,34.4y,286.04h,89.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEDuxPj-77K4SNrb3AbUVjg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
General Base Traffic ramp - https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9334046,-76.3213039,3a,40.9y,301.28h,85.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sITjW25CSJIIOODHHqFtT0Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 07:48:27 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:46:10 PM
Yes, I saw where the new road system in the terminal area also connects to the Navy base. But that when inbound requires exiting into the ID facility and then following a ramp alongside where the Intermodal Connector passes over VA-337, and then to the end of the IC.
That "single lane roadway" is the Commercial Vehicle Inspection Station. General base traffic will utilize the 3-lane inbound lanes passing through the gate where ID is checked.
Commercial Vehicle Inspection Station ramp - https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9341083,-76.3147827,3a,34.4y,286.04h,89.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEDuxPj-77K4SNrb3AbUVjg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
General Base Traffic ramp - https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9334046,-76.3213039,3a,40.9y,301.28h,85.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sITjW25CSJIIOODHHqFtT0Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
The ramp over VA-337 looks wide enough for 2 lanes and a full right shoulder.
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:52:54 PM
The ramp over VA-337 looks wide enough for 2 lanes and a full right shoulder.
The ramp is 2 lanes, yes, then it opens up to 3 inbound lanes through the security checkpoint.
Additionally, the Hampton Blvd ramp connects directly to Gate 5 after crossing over Hampton Blvd, and is signed for such on the Intermodal Connector exit.
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 07:54:15 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:52:54 PM
The ramp over VA-337 looks wide enough for 2 lanes and a full right shoulder.
The ramp is 2 lanes, yes, then it opens up to 3 inbound lanes through the security checkpoint.
The Navy needs to complete and open the Norfolk Naval Station Pass and ID facility before traffic can use that ramp over VA-337.
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:56:18 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 07:54:15 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:52:54 PM
The ramp over VA-337 looks wide enough for 2 lanes and a full right shoulder.
The ramp is 2 lanes, yes, then it opens up to 3 inbound lanes through the security checkpoint.
The Navy needs to complete and open the Norfolk Naval Station Pass and ID facility before traffic can use that ramp over VA-337.
Whoever's fault it is, the fact is the project was supposed to be complete in October 2018, and 14 months later it is still incomplete.
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 07:59:06 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 07:56:18 PM
The Navy needs to complete and open the Norfolk Naval Station Pass and ID facility before traffic can use that ramp over VA-337.
Whoever's fault it is, the fact is the project was supposed to be complete in October 2018, and 14 months later it is still incomplete.
But as I said the original ~$140 million project may have been completed, and in 2018. I drove it back then.
I see -- sound barrier construction which may be a subsequent project. Possible embankment failure, and subsequent repair project. Navy project for ID station which is not VDOT's project.
Quote from: Beltway on April 09, 2020, 08:05:59 PM
But as I said the original ~$140 million project may have been completed, and in 2018. I drove it back then.
The Hampton Blvd ramp is not yet completed. Lane striping in many areas, notably westbound, is missing. The approach to the connector on I-564 is still not finished. The package was a completed Intermodal Connector with access to Gate 6, NIT, Hampton Blvd ramp by October 2018. To the public, it's not completed.
Dash-cam footage from today's drive. You can see various aspects on VDOT's side not completed, along with the major construction work near the bridge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sachP_NPfmw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Cooper_Boulevard
Sam Cooper Blvd. In Memphis, this road was originally going to be a part of I-40 but it ended up being a city owned freeway in Memphis.
Quote from: 1 on April 09, 2020, 11:56:16 AM
Quote from: coldshoulder on April 09, 2020, 11:45:09 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on April 09, 2020, 05:13:00 AM
Quote from: coldshoulder on April 08, 2020, 11:50:17 AMIf you're referring to the double trumpet that serves as the entrance/exit connector (thru the toll booths) between the Turnpike and I-76 west and I-80 east, then you'd have to consider thousands of those same type structures across the country/world. :confused: I don't think the OP had this in mind.
If you're referring to the southerly extension of that trumpet to Mahoning Avenue (CR-18) utilizing the original interchange with the Turnpike, that's not a freeway by any stretch of the imagination; it's nothing more than a glorified connecting exit/entrance ramp, with a posted speed limit of 35 mph--certainly not a freeway.
For somebody traveling in either direction on Mahoning Avenue/CR-18, the connection only allows access to the Turnpike (I-80 west, and I-76 east), and doesn't permit one to access I-80 east, or I-76 west. Likewise, somebody traveling on I-80 west or I-76 east *prior to the Turnpike* cannot access this connector to get to Mahoning Ave.
So to summarize: it's a short section of road, with a reduced speed limit, one lane in each direction separated only by a foot-high or less concrete median, and provides only a connection to and from the Turnpike, and not the other major east-west freeway at that interchange = NOT a freeway. :paranoid:
View:
https://goo.gl/maps/W4iCp2QvzzoYyPPu7
The section I was referring to wasn't either one (I consider the toll booths to have a wrong-way concurrency of I-76 and I-80, and thus to be numbered), but to the tiny stretch between the off-ramp to and the on-ramp from the Ohio Turnpike on the freeway that runs due East-West, which is physically unnumbered and even unnamed. Mr. Google puts the number of the oncoming road in both directions, even though one isn't yet in that.
I've been accused oftentimes of being dense, so perhaps this isn't too surprising. But I'm still confused as to what you're describing. It sounds exactly like I what presented in my first sentence and paragraph in my initial reply quoted above.
It seems to me it's just a standard trumpet interchange that connects two major freeways; in this case maybe a little longer than most but certainly not long enough to be considered an unnumbered freeway.
I believe it does have two lanes prior to the toll booths, coming off the Turnpike eastbound (being a major movement of I-80 East from the Turnpike to I-80 East, a non-tolled different carriageway). This stretch is posted at 40 mph, again making the case that it's not a freeway.
Perhaps some other posters can help... :hmmm:
The stretch he is referring to is on the mainline, not on the ramp.
Aha! Thanks,
1.
Now it all makes sense. This "no man's land" extremely short stretch of mainline becomes "unnumbered" because of a technicality "at the bump".
And please forgive me
CNGL-Leudimin. Told ya I was dense.
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 08:12:08 PM
The Hampton Blvd ramp is not yet completed. Lane striping in many areas, notably westbound, is missing. The approach to the connector on I-564 is still not finished. The package was a completed Intermodal Connector with access to Gate 6, NIT, Hampton Blvd ramp by October 2018. To the public, it's not completed.
-- Looks like a resurfacing project on WB I-564 and the transition is complete
-- Looks like embankment replacement on WB right half about 1 mile west of I-564
-- Looks like roadways are complete even if unpainted in some places, except for
previous point
-- ID station unopened so that ramp is unopened, not the responsibility of highway agency
That's pretty bad if they have to replace an embankment only two years after it's built. That's on VDOT, not the Navy.
There's a decent amount of striping work that needs to be completed both on I-564 and the connector.
To the public, the project is 14 months behind schedule.
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 10:01:23 PM
That's pretty bad if they have to replace an embankment only two years after it's built. That's on VDOT, not the Navy.
I already said that was VDOT responsibility, if that is what happened.
The issue with the ramp thru the ID station is Navy responsibility, if in fact the station is incomplete.
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 09, 2020, 10:01:23 PM
There's a decent amount of striping work that needs to be completed both on I-564 and the connector.
To the public, the project is 14 months behind schedule.
It looks like there are two responsible parties.
JFK Parkway between Short Hills and Livingston, NJ isn't really freeway standard (it has a 50 mph speed limit, some tight curves, narrow shoulders, and short ramps) but it is limited access and as far as I know doesn't have a number. It's a great road for spotting luxury cars since it's located in two of the richest municipalities in the country and has the extremely posh Mall at Short Hills at the southern end where it intersects 24. Shame that there are so many lights in the mall area though, it really slows down what could be a very quick escape from Livingston out to Morris County.
The Rochester Inner Loop?
Kansas: Shawnee Mission Parkway between I-435 and Lackman Road. The freeway portion is just slightly over a mile, with three consecutive interchanges. It used to be part of K-12. If someone already mentioned it, then I scrolled through the thread too quickly.
a small section of the Ronald Reagan Highway in Hamilton County, OH. Between I-275 and US-27, it has no number. OH-126 joins it at US-27 and the rest of the RR is OH-126.
The National Park Service-maintained segment of the Baltimore-Washington Parkway (MD-175 to the DC line).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Route_259 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Route_259)
There is a CA-259 its a freeway to connect some of the I-215 traffic to CA-210 in the Inland Empire but often times CA-259 is an unsigned route.
Quote from: bing101 on April 19, 2020, 03:25:50 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Route_259 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Route_259)
There is a CA-259 its a freeway to connect some of the I-215 traffic to CA-210 in the Inland Empire but often times CA-259 is an unsigned route.
But it does have Post Miles like CA 244 does. CA 259 is kind of signed as "To CA 210."
Has anyone mentioned Kentucky's parkways yet? Other than the section running I-69, aren't these unnumbered?
Also isn't the Chicago Skyway *technically* not part of I 90?
^
Quote from: hbelkins on April 08, 2020, 11:44:43 AM
Kentucky's parkways have internal route numbers, but they aren't signed.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 20, 2020, 11:58:29 AM
Also isn't the Chicago Skyway *technically* not part of I 90?
Wikipedia does a decent job explaining that conundrum. I consider it I-90.
"However, around 1999, the City of Chicago realized they had never received official approval to designate the Skyway as I-90. The city subsequently replaced most of the "I-90" signage with "TO I-90/I-94" signage. However, the Illinois Department of Transportation (IDOT) has always and continues to report the Skyway as part of the Interstate Highway System, and the Federal Highway Administration also considers the Chicago Skyway an official part of I-90.[16]"
Quote from: sbeaver44 on April 20, 2020, 06:37:44 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 20, 2020, 11:58:29 AM
Also isn't the Chicago Skyway *technically* not part of I 90?
Wikipedia does a decent job explaining that conundrum. I consider it I-90.
"However, around 1999, the City of Chicago realized they had never received official approval to designate the Skyway as I-90. The city subsequently replaced most of the "I-90" signage with "TO I-90/I-94" signage. However, the Illinois Department of Transportation (IDOT) has always and continues to report the Skyway as part of the Interstate Highway System, and the Federal Highway Administration also considers the Chicago Skyway an official part of I-90.[16]"
That's helpful! Thank you!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storrow_Drive (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storrow_Drive)
Storrow Drive in Boston is a parkway without a route number. Its because Storrow Drive is managed by the Massachusetts Department of Conservation and recreation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Conservation_and_Recreation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Conservation_and_Recreation)
Quote from: bing101 on April 28, 2020, 07:22:56 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storrow_Drive (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storrow_Drive)
Storrow Drive in Boston is a parkway without a route number. Its because Storrow Drive is managed by the Massachusetts Department of Conservation and recreation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Conservation_and_Recreation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Conservation_and_Recreation)
Parts of it are MA-3 and MA-28. Before 1989, parts were also US-1
I don't think anyone mentioned the Northwest Parkway in the Denver Metro.
Chris
In Toronto we have the Gardiner Expressway, Don Valley Parkway, and Allen Road, which are all controlled-access freeways and have no number associated.
Quote from: bing101 on April 28, 2020, 07:22:56 PM
Storrow Drive in Boston is a parkway without a route number. Its because Storrow Drive is managed by the Massachusetts Department of Conservation and recreation.
It's also not a freeway.* I don't think this thread was intended to list 'almost-freeways' like some of the DCR parkways.
*You could make the case that the entirety of what is technically Storrow Drive (the roughly 2 mile portion from the BU Bridge to the Hatch Shell) is a freeway, as the only at-grade intersections on that stretch are 'official use only' driveways, but it'd be a real stretch. The same could be said for Soldiers Field Rd west as far as the Anderson Bridge.Quote from: DJ Particle on April 29, 2020, 02:04:49 AM
Parts of it are MA-3 and MA-28. Before 1989, parts were also US-1
Technically none of Storrow Drive is concurrent with MA 3 or MA 28. Heading north/eastbound, MA 28 joins the road at the Copley Sq interchange (by the Hatch Shell), and MA 3 joins at the Charles Circle interchange, both of which are on David G Mugar Way (https://goo.gl/maps/LmvnMDV8ZWB6CqiB8), Storrow Drive having ended at the Copley Sq interchange.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on April 29, 2020, 10:51:44 AM
It's also not a freeway.* I don't think this thread was intended to list 'almost-freeways' like some of the DCR parkways.
QuoteThe Highway Capacity Manual (HCM) (7) defines a freeway as a divided highway with full control of access and two or more lanes for the exclusive use of traffic in each direction. Freeways provide uninterrupted flow (Note: "Uninterrupted" is used to describe the type of facility, not the quality of the traffic flow at any given time. A freeway experiencing extreme congestion, for example, is still an uninterrupted-flow facility because the causes of congestion are internal.) Opposing directions of flow are continuously separated by a raised barrier, an at-grade median, or a continuous raised median (Figure 1-4). Operating conditions on a freeway primarily result from interactions among vehicles and drivers in the traffic stream and among vehicles, drivers, and the geometric characteristics of the freeway.
QuoteThe AASHTO "Green Book" (13) defines freeways as "arterial highways with full control of access. They are intended to provide for high levels of safety and efficiency in the movement of large volumes of traffic at high speeds. With full control of access, preference is given to through traffic by providing access connections with selected public roads only and by prohibiting crossings at grade and private driveway connections".
No matter how substandard it is, it's still a freeway. Limited access, access only at ramps, cross roads grade separated, etc.
https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freewaymgmt/publications/frwy_mgmt_handbook/chapter1_02.htm
Quote from: jayhawkco on April 29, 2020, 10:22:44 AM
I don't think anyone mentioned the Northwest Parkway in the Denver Metro.
Chris
You think anyone will?
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 20, 2020, 11:58:29 AM
Has anyone mentioned Kentucky's parkways yet? Other than the section running I-69, aren't these unnumbered?
Also isn't the Chicago Skyway *technically* not part of I 90?
1. The Natcher Pkwy (Green River Pkwy) is now I-165 and is signed as of March 2019ish. Interestingly though, the newer section that was built south of I-65 to US 231 is signed as KY 9007.
2. The Audobon Pkwy is unsigned KY 9005.
3. The Pennyrile Pkwy is unsigned KY 9004 as of July 2019 but is supposed to be I-169 eventually.
4. The Western Kentucky Pkwy east of the Pennyrile Pkwy is unsigned KY 9001.
5. There is still a section of the Purchase Pkwy (north of I-24/I-69 interchange) that is unsigned KY 9003.
6. The Louie B Nunn (Cumberland Pkwy) is unsigned KY 9008 but does have signs erected for Future I-66.
7. The Hal Rogers Pkwy (Daniel Boone Pkwy) is unsigned KY 9006 for most of it. Part is KY 80. But I would not consider this a "freeway". Way too many cross roads despite the numerous bridges over the parkway.
8. The Blue Grass Parkway is unsigned KY 9002.
9. The Bert Combs Mountain Pkwy is unsigned KY 9000.
Also, the Chicago Skyway is now officially part of I-90 again.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on April 29, 2020, 10:51:44 AM
Technically none of Storrow Drive is concurrent with MA 3 or MA 28. Heading north/eastbound, MA 28 joins the road at the Copley Sq interchange (by the Hatch Shell), and MA 3 joins at the Charles Circle interchange, both of which are on David G Mugar Way (https://goo.gl/maps/LmvnMDV8ZWB6CqiB8), Storrow Drive having ended at the Copley Sq interchange.
Hmm...I had thought it was considered by both names at that point. Google Maps seems to think so.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Storrow+Dr,+Boston,+MA/@42.3603738,-71.0721902,95m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89e37a014e276e75:0xc0c288be8501d289!8m2!3d42.3520732!4d-71.089115
Seriously...I'm from Massachusetts and I always thought Storrow ran from I-93 to the Pike exit.
Quote from: DJ Particle on April 30, 2020, 12:38:28 AM
Hmm...I had thought it was considered by both names at that point. Google Maps seems to think so.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Storrow+Dr,+Boston,+MA/@42.3603738,-71.0721902,95m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89e37a014e276e75:0xc0c288be8501d289!8m2!3d42.3520732!4d-71.089115
Seriously...I'm from Massachusetts and I always thought Storrow ran from I-93 to the Pike exit.
Google Maps labels a lot of things incorrectly. It's unfortunately not really a good source.
Most people refer to the whole thing as Storrow, including east to I-93 and west to at least the Pike interchange, if not the Eliot Bridge, so don't feel bad for not knowing that it's not 'officially' named both.
Ontario has the following:
- EC Row Expwy, Windsor (only the municipal portion, provincial section has an internal 7000-series number)
- Highbury Ave, London (was provincial Hwy 126, no number upon transfer to CofL)
- Nikola Tesla Blvd, Lincoln Alexander Pkwy, and Red Hill Valley Pkwy, Hamilton
- Pearson Airport access road - 1.3 km of freeway, formerly Highway 409, Mississauga
- Gardiner Expwy, Don Valley Pkwy, Allen Rd - previously mentioned in thread, all in Toronto
- Queen Elizabeth Way - Provincial freeway, Fort Erie to Toronto (one small segment is co-designated with Hwy 403, but it in and of itself has no number designated or assigned to it)*
* - yes, while there is a popular misconception in the roadgeek community that it has an internal number but no, it does not have any assigned to it.
FDR Drive has no number.
Quote from: hobsini2 on April 29, 2020, 07:26:03 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 20, 2020, 11:58:29 AM
Has anyone mentioned Kentucky's parkways yet? Other than the section running I-69, aren't these unnumbered?
Also isn't the Chicago Skyway *technically* not part of I 90?
1. The Natcher Pkwy (Green River Pkwy) is now I-165 and is signed as of March 2019ish. Interestingly though, the newer section that was built south of I-65 to US 231 is signed as KY 9007.
2. The Audobon Pkwy is unsigned KY 9005.
3. The Pennyrile Pkwy is unsigned KY 9004 as of July 2019 but is supposed to be I-169 eventually.
4. The Western Kentucky Pkwy east of the Pennyrile Pkwy is unsigned KY 9001.
5. There is still a section of the Purchase Pkwy (north of I-24/I-69 interchange) that is unsigned KY 9003.
6. The Louie B Nunn (Cumberland Pkwy) is unsigned KY 9008 but does have signs erected for Future I-66.
7. The Hal Rogers Pkwy (Daniel Boone Pkwy) is unsigned KY 9006 for most of it. Part is KY 80. But I would not consider this a "freeway". Way too many cross roads despite the numerous bridges over the parkway.
8. The Blue Grass Parkway is unsigned KY 9002.
9. The Bert Combs Mountain Pkwy is unsigned KY 9000.
Also, the Chicago Skyway is now officially part of I-90 again.
I mentioned them early on.
Slight correction: That portion of the Mountain Parkway east of Exit 43 is unsigned KY 9009. The segments between Exits 43-46 and from just west of new Exit 70 to the route's end in Salyersville are four-lane freeway now.
I'm not sure if I mentioned this one up thread but part of Pacific Highway (Old US 101) in San Diego is a Freeway grade. Interestingly part of Grand Loop Road near Old Faithful in Yellowstone National Park is a Freeway grade. I want to say that was the only segment of fully limited access roadway ever built by the NPS.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 30, 2020, 02:58:02 PM
I want to say that was the only segment of fully limited access roadway ever built by the NPS.
Two roads constructed by the NPS in the 1950s and 1960s in the Washington-Baltimore metro are built to full freeway standards.
The northern 14 miles of the George Washington Memorial Parkway (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/38.9635849,-77.1826747/38.8304813,-77.0439877/@38.8909682,-77.0857626,22746m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!4m1!3e0) in Northern Virginia.
The southern 18 miles of the MD-295 Baltimore-Washington Parkway (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/39.1400396,-76.7559847/38.9225439,-76.9329145/@38.9972926,-76.8632244,58906m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!4m1!3e0) in Southern Maryland.
Today (well, pre-COVID-19), they serve daily commuter traffic, functioning as urban freeways. They do, however, restrict truck traffic. Maryland eventually wants to take the NPS portion of the MD-295 Baltimore-Washington Parkway over and widen it from 4 to 8 lanes north of I-495, upgrading it to interstate standards in the process. It's an important and congested route connecting Washington and Baltimore, along with the NSA Headquarters, BWI Airport, and suburbs in between, that supplements the 8 lane I-95 that parallels it to the north. I don't believe Virginia has any plans for the George Washington Memorial Parkway besides reconstructing the northern interchange with I-495 apart of the I-495 HO/T Lanes Northern Extension project.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 30, 2020, 02:58:02 PMInterestingly part of Grand Loop Road near Old Faithful in Yellowstone National Park is a Freeway grade. I want to say that was the only segment of fully limited access roadway ever built by the NPS.
Some, including me, may consider that short section of freeway in Yellowstone as having a number. And several of them: US 89, 191 and 287. And depending on who one asks, US 20 (not me).
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on April 30, 2020, 03:53:01 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 30, 2020, 02:58:02 PMInterestingly part of Grand Loop Road near Old Faithful in Yellowstone National Park is a Freeway grade. I want to say that was the only segment of fully limited access roadway ever built by the NPS.
Some, including me, may consider that short section of freeway in Yellowstone as having a number. And several of them: US 89, 191 and 287. And depending on who one asks, US 20 (not me).
How can it be 89/191/287 but not 20? No US highways are official within Yellowstone park boundaries.
Quote from: US 89 on April 30, 2020, 05:10:50 PM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on April 30, 2020, 03:53:01 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 30, 2020, 02:58:02 PMInterestingly part of Grand Loop Road near Old Faithful in Yellowstone National Park is a Freeway grade. I want to say that was the only segment of fully limited access roadway ever built by the NPS.
Some, including me, may consider that short section of freeway in Yellowstone as having a number. And several of them: US 89, 191 and 287. And depending on who one asks, US 20 (not me).
How can it be 89/191/287 but not 20? No US highways are official within Yellowstone park boundaries.
in the GIS shape-files for the roads in Yellowstone, there is a labeled routing for each of the US highways that cross the park. US 89/191/287 is routed up the west side of the Loop, while US 20 is routed across on Norris-Canyon Road.
Is Yellowstone the only National Park where roads aren't signed? Are 191 & 287 signed in Grand Teton?
I'm trying to remember is US 441 is mentioned at Newfound Gap in Great Smoky Mtns NP.
Quote from: sbeaver44 on May 01, 2020, 09:03:57 PM
Is Yellowstone the only National Park where roads aren't signed? Are 191 & 287 signed in Grand Teton?
I'm trying to remember is US 441 is mentioned at Newfound Gap in Great Smoky Mtns NP.
I don't remember any reassurance markers, but US34 and US36 are acknowledged at their junction in Rocky Mountain NP.
Chris
Quote from: sbeaver44 on May 01, 2020, 09:03:57 PM
Is Yellowstone the only National Park where roads aren't signed? Are 191 & 287 signed in Grand Teton?
I'm trying to remember is US 441 is mentioned at Newfound Gap in Great Smoky Mtns NP.
I think ME 3 and the other state routes are signed in Acadia.
Quote from: sbeaver44 on May 01, 2020, 09:03:57 PM
Is Yellowstone the only National Park where roads aren't signed? Are 191 & 287 signed in Grand Teton?
I'm trying to remember is US 441 is mentioned at Newfound Gap in Great Smoky Mtns NP.
None of the US Routes are signed in Yellowstone or Grand Teton. They used to be signed in Teton but that got yanked as the Park expanded.
IIRC Moran is within Grand Teton National Park, and US 26 doesn't have a gap in its official definition. In fact it's at Moran Junction where US 89/191/287 cease to be signed until the North (US 89) or West (US 191/287) Entrance of Yellowstone, not at the NP boundary.
Quote from: jayhawkco on May 01, 2020, 09:43:56 PM
Quote from: sbeaver44 on May 01, 2020, 09:03:57 PM
Is Yellowstone the only National Park where roads aren't signed? Are 191 & 287 signed in Grand Teton?
I'm trying to remember is US 441 is mentioned at Newfound Gap in Great Smoky Mtns NP.
I don't remember any reassurance markers, but US34 and US36 are acknowledged at their junction in Rocky Mountain NP.
Chris
Both are behind fee gates as well.
Quote from: sbeaver44 on May 01, 2020, 09:03:57 PM
I'm trying to remember is US 441 is mentioned at Newfound Gap in Great Smoky Mtns NP.
US 441 used to be signed, but no longer. There are signs with TO US 441, instead.
Quote from: dfilpus on May 02, 2020, 05:08:54 PM
Quote from: sbeaver44 on May 01, 2020, 09:03:57 PM
I'm trying to remember is US 441 is mentioned at Newfound Gap in Great Smoky Mtns NP.
US 441 used to be signed, but no longer. There are signs with TO US 441, instead.
I've heard this was done in an attempt to cut down on truck traffic.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on April 09, 2020, 01:28:52 PM
In Fayetteville, AR I don't think Fulbright Expressway (the northern one) has a route designation. On I-49, it is signed as 71B, though 71B dosen't actually goes on the expressway, as 71B appears to continue on College Ave on either side of the interchange.
That stretch of highway is US 71, Section 17B.
Miller Parkway in Milwaukee was for many years unsigned WI 341. Now part of WI-175 it's partially signed.