As I was perusing a thread about Southern Illinois, someone referred to the southeast-central part (between 70 and the Ohio River, east of 57 roughly, as "Forgottonia." That got me thinking--what part of your state is neglected, little-populated, not much visited, or just unlikely to cross your mind that often? For Missouri there are parts of the Northeast and North-central regions that might fit the bill. Any other corners like that?
The Lost Coast of California has always been pretty much no man's land. Much of the Sierra Nevada Mountains is uninhabited wilderness. The Santa Lucia Range in Big Sur aside from CA 1 is also devoid of people. Some of the coast range mountains contain nothing but ghost towns and ranches.
Southern Tier of NY.
The Panhandle of Oklahoma. This is an interesting situation where it's probably more remembered by people outside the state than inside. It's a distinct, identifying feature of the state on a map, but is so remote and empty that most Oklahomans will never think about it or consider going there. The main reason it comes up in conversation is as a talking point for TV meteorologists to point out how much colder/snowier it is there during the winter months.
The area between Aiken and I-95 in SC, south of Orangeburg. Barnwell, Bamberg, Allendale, Colleton west of 95, Hampton, and part of Jasper County.
Heavily Black, generally poorer than the rest of the state, few large towns, poor radio and TV coverage (being in between Augusta, Savannah, Charleston, and Columbia), and not a lot for people to do.
Allendale, Bamberg, Barnwell and Hampton counties combined have about 65K population.
I'd say McCormick County is probably the most isolated county in SC. On the Georgia line a decent distance between Greenville and Augusta, along the Savannah River, and McCormick has remained around 8,000-10,000 population most of the last 80-100 years.
McCormick is 34 miles from I-20, which you have to get on in GA, and 59 from I-85.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 23, 2020, 05:48:10 PM
The Lost Coast of California has always been pretty much no man's land. Much of the Sierra Nevada Mountains is uninhabited wilderness. The Santa Lucia Range in Big Sur aside from CA 1 is also devoid of people. Some of the coast range mountains contain nothing but ghost towns and ranches.
Is the northeast/Modoc County up there as well?
I would say everything between Worcester and Springfield.
Quote from: Rothman on June 23, 2020, 05:57:57 PM
Southern Tier of NY.
That's definitely a "tier" of it's own, but really everything north of the 42nd parallel is forgotten.
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 23, 2020, 05:46:01 PM
As I was perusing a thread about Southern Illinois, someone referred to the southeast-central part (between 70 and the Ohio River, east of 57 roughly, as "Forgottonia." That got me thinking--what part of your state is neglected, little-populated, not much visited, or just unlikely to cross your mind that often? For Missouri there are parts of the Northeast and North-central regions that might fit the bill. Any other corners like that?
I always thought of/heard that Forgottonia was the western bulge of Illinois (south of Moline, north of St. Louis, and west of Springfield).
Southwest Wisconsin. Has depopulated pretty severely over the last few decades but very beautiful.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 23, 2020, 07:27:39 PM
I would say everything between Worcester and Springfield.
I live out here, and this is correct.
Many would suggest the UP for MI. However, I think it's not forgotten, just not visited very often. Once you go, you'll probably never forget it.
Instead, I nominate SW Michigan, about south and west of Kalamazoo. And maybe some of the area south and west of Grand Rapids as well.
For Washington, NE part of the state, Colville National Forest and adjacent few towns. There are roads but they're not busy. Timber doesn't bring in the money it used to, and it's too out of the way without really unique attractions for tourists.
The entire southeastern half of Arkansas is withering away. Everyone knows of the explosive growth in NWA, and the Little Rock metro area continues to grow as well.
But in the delta, there are towns like Marianna that had 5A schools just 30 years ago that can't even field an 11-man football team today. The only place wholly east of US 67 that has any prosperity at all is Jonesboro.
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on June 23, 2020, 08:19:21 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 23, 2020, 05:46:01 PM
As I was perusing a thread about Southern Illinois, someone referred to the southeast-central part (between 70 and the Ohio River, east of 57 roughly, as "Forgottonia." That got me thinking--what part of your state is neglected, little-populated, not much visited, or just unlikely to cross your mind that often? For Missouri there are parts of the Northeast and North-central regions that might fit the bill. Any other corners like that?
I always thought of/heard that Forgottonia was the western bulge of Illinois (south of Moline, north of St. Louis, and west of Springfield).
That's the historical definition, yeah. In recent decades, with the flight of people and jobs from SE Illinois, the depopulation has shifted to mostly there. It's kinda paradoxical, but when everyone calls a region Forgottonia it ceases to be forgotten as much.
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 23, 2020, 10:04:01 PM
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on June 23, 2020, 08:19:21 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 23, 2020, 05:46:01 PM
As I was perusing a thread about Southern Illinois, someone referred to the southeast-central part (between 70 and the Ohio River, east of 57 roughly, as "Forgottonia." That got me thinking--what part of your state is neglected, little-populated, not much visited, or just unlikely to cross your mind that often? For Missouri there are parts of the Northeast and North-central regions that might fit the bill. Any other corners like that?
I always thought of/heard that Forgottonia was the western bulge of Illinois (south of Moline, north of St. Louis, and west of Springfield).
That's the historical definition, yeah. In recent decades, with the flight of people and jobs from SE Illinois, the depopulation has shifted to mostly there. It's kinda paradoxical, but when everyone calls a region Forgottonia it ceases to be forgotten as much.
According to some Forgottonia is anything south of I-80 or west of I-355.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 23, 2020, 10:10:46 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 23, 2020, 10:04:01 PM
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on June 23, 2020, 08:19:21 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 23, 2020, 05:46:01 PM
As I was perusing a thread about Southern Illinois, someone referred to the southeast-central part (between 70 and the Ohio River, east of 57 roughly, as "Forgottonia." That got me thinking--what part of your state is neglected, little-populated, not much visited, or just unlikely to cross your mind that often? For Missouri there are parts of the Northeast and North-central regions that might fit the bill. Any other corners like that?
I always thought of/heard that Forgottonia was the western bulge of Illinois (south of Moline, north of St. Louis, and west of Springfield).
That's the historical definition, yeah. In recent decades, with the flight of people and jobs from SE Illinois, the depopulation has shifted to mostly there. It's kinda paradoxical, but when everyone calls a region Forgottonia it ceases to be forgotten as much.
According to some Forgottonia is anything south of I-80 or west of I-355.
The Chicagoland/Downstate divide isn't as stark (imo) as the NY/Upstate one. Maybe it's because I live in STL and I go to the Metro East often, but the Chicagoans I know tend to be more aware that other places exist than the New Yorkers.
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 23, 2020, 06:00:30 PM
The main reason it comes up in conversation is as a talking point for TV meteorologists to point out how much colder/snowier it is there during the winter months.
Can they say that just for fun because no one will ever know, or is the weather really significantly colder?
For Michigan, I'm going with the thumb area.
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 23, 2020, 10:15:13 PM
The Chicagoland/Downstate divide isn't as stark (imo) as the NY/Upstate one. Maybe it's because I live in STL and I go to the Metro East often, but the Chicagoans I know tend to be more aware that other places exist than the New Yorkers.
Very much agree, and that's because NYC is more prominent than Chicago both nationally and internationally, and is geographically distinct from the rest of the state. It's a whole separate arm (or leg? Neither sounds good, but I'm not handing out bouquets here...) of the state. You can pretty neatly and cleanly separate the state in two parts, unlike Illinois, where you can't draw a hard line or even really an approximate one without ending up with a weird and/or circular shape.
I would also say Buffalo is more famous/less forgotten than any non-Chicago part of Illinois, but maybe I'm influenced by living an hour away. They do have the Bills, Sabres, and buffalo wings reducing their forgottenness.
Quote from: webny99 on June 23, 2020, 10:33:31 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 23, 2020, 10:15:13 PM
The Chicagoland/Downstate divide isn't as stark (imo) as the NY/Upstate one. Maybe it's because I live in STL and I go to the Metro East often, but the Chicagoans I know tend to be more aware that other places exist than the New Yorkers.
Very much agree, and that's because NYC is more prominent than Chicago both nationally and internationally, and is geographically distinct from the rest of the state. It's a whole separate arm (or leg? Neither sounds good, but I'm not handing out bouquets here...) of the state. You can pretty neatly and cleanly separate the state in two parts, unlike Illinois, where you can't draw a hard line or even really an approximate one without ending up with a weird and/or circular shape.
I would also say Buffalo is more famous/less forgotten than any non-Chicago part of Illinois, but maybe I'm influenced by living an hour away. They do have the Bills, Sabres, and buffalo wings reducing their forgottenness.
Very much agree. The only thing southern Illinois is missing is a city the size of Buffalo or Albany (although they are peppered with good-size towns--Peoria, Springfield, Bloomington, Champaign, Moline, Rockford, etc.).
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 23, 2020, 06:59:53 PM
Is the northeast/Modoc County up there as well?
It is largely forgotten and not visited now. When the Modoc line of the SP was in service it was visited by adventurous railfans, though I don't know if there was anything else besides ranches up there (for off-highway vehicles, maybe).
For NJ, probably the southwestern portion - Cumberland and Salem Counties.
For PA, I'd have to say the northern part of the state north of I-80 and west of I-81 (excluding Scranton-Wilkes Barre). Although a majority of it is forest land, most towns rarely eclipse 10 thousand people - Bradford is considered a city with 8.9k for example. The largest city is Erie at 100k and that area (I've heard - from my history teacher born there) is garbage. Williamsport I can't speak for, but it seems their pride and joy is baseball and assorted colleges. Other than Clinton and Lycoming Counties, in my experience much of this area (McKean, Elk, Cameron, etc.) has architecture that hasn't left the Great Depression. It's a great place to visit, but it would suck to live there.
Signed, a lifelong Southern PA resident
In Colorado it's the eastern plains. Politically, the front range cities have all the clout, and the mountains are where everyone in the cities wants to be. Meanwhile, there are fewer employment opportunities and many cities and towns are depopulating.
The far northwestern corner of Arizona, where I-15 runs through Virgin Canyon. It's isolated from the rest of the state thanks to the Grand Canyon, and only connects to Nevada via I-15 and to Utah via 15 and Mohave County Rte 91 (old US 91).
Another section that is almost as forgotten is the stretch of US 60 between Wickenburg and I-10 near the Colorado River. There's no reason for a US highway here for 30 years.
Southeast Arizona. Cochise County and the wine country in eastern Santa Cruz County. Amazing how many people from Phoenix and Tucson wander down here and realize how much it has to offer. Almost as amazing how folks up there don't know what you're talking abut when you tell them where you live.
As Curly would say in "City Slickers" , "City folk..."
For Iowa, I don't think anyone thinks about the western quarter of the state.
As for when I lived in Nebraska, pretty much anything not right off of I-80 tends to get ignored. And if you live in Omaha or Lincoln, there's the Panhandle.
As for Minnesota, Southwestern Minnesota may as well be in South Dakota.
Quote from: webny99 on June 23, 2020, 10:20:55 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 23, 2020, 06:00:30 PM
The main reason it comes up in conversation is as a talking point for TV meteorologists to point out how much colder/snowier it is there during the winter months.
Can they say that just for fun because no one will ever know, or is the weather really significantly colder?
This map tells you all you need to know:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Oklahoma_K%C3%B6ppen.svg/763px-Oklahoma_K%C3%B6ppen.svg.png)
The Panhandle is in the extreme north of the state, and the elevation increases as you go west and get into the high plains typical of western Kansas and eastern Colorado. This means that while the Panhandle experiences highs relatively in line with the rest of the state, nightly lows in Guymon are, on average, 7° cooler than those of Oklahoma City. Guymon also receives almost 9 more inches of snow per year than Oklahoma City does.
west Texas between El Paso and I-35
If you talk to just about anybody that lives outside of the Indy metro area, they will tell you that their part of the state is forgotten. The prevalence of summer road construction in every nook and cranny of the state suggest otherwise.
If anything, the parts of the state that are in TV markets centered in neighboring states (Chicago, Louisville and Cincinnati areas) tend to be a little bit on the forgotten side.
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 24, 2020, 06:59:22 AM
The Panhandle is in the extreme north of the state, and the elevation increases as you go west and get into the high plains typical of western Kansas and eastern Colorado. This means that while the Panhandle experiences highs relatively in line with the rest of the state, nightly lows in Guymon are, on average, 7° cooler than those of Oklahoma City.
In retrospect, that should have been obvious. I tend to equate "Oklahoma" with "plains" and forget that there's actually quite a bit of variation from rugged and more Arkansas/Missouri-like in the east to high and dry in the west.
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 24, 2020, 06:59:22 AM
Guymon also receives almost 9 more inches of snow per year than Oklahoma City does.
9 inches is probably significant percentage-wise considering OKC doesn't get much snow to begin with.
But granted, that doesn't mean much to me here in the Great Lakes snow belt. There's easily that much variation just within the Rochester area, say between the airport and the northeastern suburbs. It's not uncommon for a
single snow event to create a 9 inch differential: 12 inches near the lake and 3 inches further inland, for example. Double or triple that between work (further north) and home (further south) over the course of an entire season, and that's still just pocket change.
Quote from: texaskdog on June 24, 2020, 08:34:32 AM
west Texas between El Paso and I-35
I don't know, maybe the specific towns/cities are forgotten, but the stereotypical image of Texas is absolutely west of I-35.
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 24, 2020, 09:07:05 AM
If you talk to just about anybody that lives outside of the Indy metro area, they will tell you that their part of the state is forgotten. The prevalence of summer road construction in every nook and cranny of the state suggest otherwise.
If anything, the parts of the state that are in TV markets centered in neighboring states (Chicago, Louisville and Cincinnati areas) tend to be a little bit on the forgotten side.
A little ironic since the politics of Indiana suggest that the state cares more about the areas outside of Indy than Indy itself.
As for more suggested forgotten parts, until recently it seemed that the southwestern corner of the state around Evansville was considered ignored. This was a major part of the argument for I-69's construction, at least the Chicago, Louisville and Cincinnati exurbs were connected to Indy via interstate.
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 24, 2020, 09:07:05 AM
If you talk to just about anybody that lives outside of the Indy metro area, they will tell you that their part of the state is forgotten. The prevalence of summer road construction in every nook and cranny of the state suggest otherwise.
If anything, the parts of the state that are in TV markets centered in neighboring states (Chicago, Louisville and Cincinnati areas) tend to be a little bit on the forgotten side.
I used to live in Terre Haute. It should be forgotten.
Quote from: webny99 on June 24, 2020, 09:19:42 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on June 24, 2020, 08:34:32 AM
west Texas between El Paso and I-35
I don't know, maybe the specific towns/cities are forgotten, but the stereotypical image of Texas is absolutely west of I-35.
True but people think Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin, El Paso. Do people outside of Texas plan trips to west Texas? When you think National Parks do you think Big Bend? Many Texans don't even know it's there, they think its nothing but tumbleweeds out there.
Quote from: webny99 on June 24, 2020, 09:17:15 AM
the Great Lakes snow belt.
I went to school in Holland, MI. One storm, in November as I recall, Grand Rapids (inland) got an inch. Holland (5 or so miles from the beach) got a foot. A guy I worked with who lived on the lake shore called in because the snow was up to his headlights - on his pickup truck!
Some of these cities Abandoned cities in California was California City in the Mojave Desert. Its near Bakersfield, CA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_City,_California
Here are more examples of Ghost cities in California
Quote from: bing101 on June 24, 2020, 12:18:58 PM
Some of these cities Abandoned cities in California was California City in the Mojave Desert. Its near Bakersfield, CA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_City,_California
Here are more examples of Ghost cities in California
California City still claims over 14,000 people...granted over 203 square miles. I would call that more of a failed real estate venture than a real ghost town. Even still, they got way further towards their goals of making a large community compared to California Valley out in Carrizo Plain.
I think most people in Northern Virginia forget that the far southwestern parts of the state are actually in Virginia. That is, if you grow up here, you learn early on in school that Virginia borders five other states (Maryland, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, and North Carolina), but it's a heck of a long way from Northern Virginia–or from Hampton Roads, for that matter–to anywhere on the Kentucky state line, to the point where I tend to think people forget any of that is down there. Certainly a lot of people here don't understand how very different the more rural parts of Virginia are compared to the urban parts. People here are aware of Roanoke, Blacksburg, and Radford (the latter two because of universities located there), but I think much beyond that is more of an abstract concept to most people. Certainly my wife was surprised when I told her it's almost 380 miles from our house to the Tennessee state line on I-81 and that it's almost 470 miles (all in Virginia) to Cumberland Gap.
You'd think that GEICO ad where the gecko stands on this marker on State Street in Bristol (https://goo.gl/maps/3zaXcyncHGUgdvzJ8) might remind people of some of what's down that way, but I think despite the commercial people tend to associate Bristol with Tennessee because its best-known feature–the speedway–is in Tennessee.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 24, 2020, 01:35:10 PM
Quote from: bing101 on June 24, 2020, 12:18:58 PM
Some of these cities Abandoned cities in California was California City in the Mojave Desert. Its near Bakersfield, CA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_City,_California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_City,_California)
Here are more examples of Ghost cities in California
California City still claims over 14,000 people...granted over 203 square miles. I would call that more of a failed real estate venture than a real ghost town. Even still, they got way further towards their goals of making a large community compared to California Valley out in Carrizo Plain.
I remember hearing stuff that California City was planned to have a population size as big as San Jose or San Diego and it was going to sprawl up to Bakersfield and Antelope Valley if it did succeed. Luckily it didn't happen due to environmental reasons.
I think the portions of Texas coast not named Galveston, Padre Island, and Corpus Christi are largely forgotten, at least to me.
For example, if you live in Houston, when you want to go to the beach in the summertime, you always go to Galveston, never Surfside. If you live in San Antonio or Austin, you go to Corpus Christi, not Rockport.
Nobody talks about Matagorda, Freeport, Port Lavaca, Palacios or Fulton (that is until hurricanes come ashore in those areas).
The part of Texas that everyone forgets, including both of you: Brownsville and McAllen. Ask anyone in most of the country which state any of those three cities is in, and almost nobody will know. They have over 100,000 people each, and it's a significant metro area. Compare with Laredo, which most people know is in Texas.
Quote from: 1 on June 24, 2020, 05:34:38 PM
The part of Texas that everyone forgets, including both of you: Brownsville and McAllen. Ask anyone in most of the country which state any of those three cities is in, and almost nobody will know. They have over 100,000 people each, and it's a significant metro area. Compare with Laredo, which most people know is in Texas.
The three cities are well known in the roadgeek community because of the 69E/69C/2 mess.
Quote from: bing101 on June 24, 2020, 03:56:32 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 24, 2020, 01:35:10 PM
Quote from: bing101 on June 24, 2020, 12:18:58 PM
Some of these cities Abandoned cities in California was California City in the Mojave Desert. Its near Bakersfield, CA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_City,_California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_City,_California)
Here are more examples of Ghost cities in California
California City still claims over 14,000 people...granted over 203 square miles. I would call that more of a failed real estate venture than a real ghost town. Even still, they got way further towards their goals of making a large community compared to California Valley out in Carrizo Plain.
I remember hearing stuff that California City was planned to have a population size as big as San Jose or San Diego and it was going to sprawl up to Bakersfield and Antelope Valley if it did succeed. Luckily it didn't happen due to environmental reasons.
Usually those "master plan" communities don't amount to much. The Sun City brand seems to be the only one that pulls that off kind consistently with retirement communities.
Many Pennsylvanians would be surprised to learn that there's anything southwest of Pittsburgh. That's all seen as West Virginia.
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on June 23, 2020, 11:57:49 PM
For NJ, probably the southwestern portion - Cumberland and Salem Counties.
I'd argue that Cumberland is even more forgotten than Salem, as Salem itself is much more historic...and has had more of a outside-of-itself connection than Cumberland (think of bridges vs ferries-the Delaware Memorial Bridge linking the Delaware and New Jersey turnpikes comes to mind, and that was a nice replacement for the long-retired ferry service to New Castle and Wilmington, for example) has ever had.
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 24, 2020, 02:31:37 PM
I think most people in Northern Virginia forget that the far southwestern parts of the state are actually in Virginia. That is, if you grow up here, you learn early on in school that Virginia borders five other states (Maryland, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, and North Carolina), but it's a heck of a long way from Northern Virginia–or from Hampton Roads, for that matter–to anywhere on the Kentucky state line, to the point where I tend to think people forget any of that is down there. Certainly a lot of people here don't understand how very different the more rural parts of Virginia are compared to the urban parts. People here are aware of Roanoke, Blacksburg, and Radford (the latter two because of universities located there), but I think much beyond that is more of an abstract concept to most people. Certainly my wife was surprised when I told her it's almost 380 miles from our house to the Tennessee state line on I-81 and that it's almost 470 miles (all in Virginia) to Cumberland Gap.
You'd think that GEICO ad where the gecko stands on this marker on State Street in Bristol (https://goo.gl/maps/3zaXcyncHGUgdvzJ8) might remind people of some of what's down that way, but I think despite the commercial people tend to associate Bristol with Tennessee because its best-known feature–the speedway–is in Tennessee.
Yep. It's a long ways. For example, Wise, in the SW corner of the state, is an hour closer to Charleston, SC than it is to Virginia Beach. 6:15-6:30 to here, 7:30 to Virginia Beach. Chincoteague on the Eastern Shore is over 9 hours!
Louisville, OTOH, is only 4 hours away, and Wise is less than 3 hours from Ohio. You can go to Chicago, Detroit, or into Canada in less time than it takes to get to the end of the Eastern Shore.
Florida's Forgotten Coast...I'll just leave it at that.
Quote from: 1 on June 24, 2020, 05:34:38 PM
The part of Texas that everyone forgets, including both of you: Brownsville and McAllen. Ask anyone in most of the country which state any of those three cities is in, and almost nobody will know.
Three cities? You only listed two.
Quote from: webny99 on June 24, 2020, 09:07:38 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 24, 2020, 05:34:38 PM
The part of Texas that everyone forgets, including both of you: Brownsville and McAllen. Ask anyone in most of the country which state any of those three cities is in, and almost nobody will know.
Three cities? You only listed two.
Originally included Harlingen but then removed it for being smaller than the other two.
Quote from: 1 on June 24, 2020, 09:16:51 PM
Quote from: webny99 on June 24, 2020, 09:07:38 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 24, 2020, 05:34:38 PM
The part of Texas that everyone forgets, including both of you: Brownsville and McAllen. Ask anyone in most of the country which state any of those three cities is in, and almost nobody will know.
Three cities? You only listed two.
Originally included Harlingen but then removed it for being smaller than the other two.
Gotcha. I don't think I would have known Harlingen is in Texas. Definitely knew about Brownsville, but agree that it's largely forgotten.
McAllen is somewhere in the middle - I
think I would have known it was in Texas just by associating it with Brownsville on this forum and Google Maps, but I wouldn't rule out getting it wrong, since there are a number of other places starting with "Mc".
Quote from: 1 on June 24, 2020, 05:34:38 PM
The part of Texas that everyone forgets, including both of you: Brownsville and McAllen. Ask anyone in most of the country which state any of those three cities is in, and almost nobody will know. They have over 100,000 people each, and it's a significant metro area. Compare with Laredo, which most people know is in Texas.
I think Corey's post was more pertaining to the Gulf Coast. But yeah, the Rio Grande Valley's isolation from the rest of Texas (and thereby the rest of the US) makes it easily forgotten.
For Texas, I would point to what you might call the upper Rio Grande Valley. Generally, between the river and I-10 from US 285 to the east and south, with the area curving away from Kerrville and San Antonio, to about I-35 (or even back to US 281). The northwestern part of that, around Pumpville to Juno to Telegraph (names chosen intentionally because no one has ever heard of them), is pretty isolated. The southeast is less isolated but is well forgotten. When I hear of Cotulla or Crystal City, I know they're in Texas, but I'm thinking "where is that?" The most isolated part of the state is, at least to me, one of the most famous and iconic. Few people think of the Guadalupe Mountains when listing national parks, but the region in general is what Texas looks like in the minds of people who don't know much about it.
I could also argue that it's the rural part of the I-27 corridor, or north of I-40. But to me, unlike Oklahoma, the Texas panhandle is one of the main things you think of, unlike, say, the coastal plains or the forest. While those areas tend to be forgotten, the cities in them are less likely to be.
The most forgotten part of Utah is probably the Emery County portion of Castle Country (in other words, the SR 10 corridor south of Price) - yes, right in the middle of the state. Most Wasatch Front residents probably couldn't tell you where Huntington or Castle Dale are, even though those are the two main cities in that region. No real tourist destinations in that area either, so you'd never really have a reason to go down there unless you had friends or family.
It doesn't help that unlike most small towns in Utah, which are simple farming communities for the most part, the economy of Emery County has historically been centered on coal mining. So while most of rural Utah has remained stagnant or grown slightly, Castle Country has been hemorrhaging population in recent years.
Runner-up is probably the SR 16 corridor through Randolph and Woodruff. With the exception of Bear Lake, which is well known enough as a tourist destination, that whole area might as well be in Wyoming.
In Minnesota it's probably anything west of US 59. Moorhead gets lost being the smaller city next to Fargo, and there's not much in the way of lakes or other tourism draws.
Nobody has done North Carolina yet, so I'll do them. I'd say the westernmost 3 counties of the state (Graham, Cherokee, Clay). Murphy in Cherokee County is on the very western edge of the state, and is 355 miles from Raleigh, mostly on interstate.
Murphy is in Chattanooga's TV market, and is less than 90 minutes from some of the northwest Atlanta suburbs (the ones along I-575).
Meanwhile, it is 544 miles to Manteo on the Outer Banks, while either end (Corolla or Cape Hatteras) is close to 600 miles. St. Louis is 16 miles closer than Manteo from Murphy.
Before 1990, I'd say Wilmington was forgotten. They had no interstate highway link to the rest of the state.
The Cities of Drawbridge, Lexington and Patchen in the San Jose area are ghost towns near the most expensive parts of Northern California and they get overshadowed by Palo Alto, Cupertino, Mountain View, and San Jose the most influential cities in the Santa Clara Valley.
https://www.kqed.org/news/11549263/the-island-ghost-town-in-the-middle-of-san-francisco-bay (https://www.kqed.org/news/11549263/the-island-ghost-town-in-the-middle-of-san-francisco-bay)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawbridge,_California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawbridge,_California)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexington,_California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexington,_California)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patchen,_California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patchen,_California)
Quote from: bing101 on June 25, 2020, 11:06:24 AM
The Cities of Drawbridge, Lexington and Patchen in the San Jose area are ghost towns near the most expensive parts of Northern California and they get overshadowed by Palo Alto, Cupertino, Mountain View, and San Jose the most influential cities in the Santa Clara Valley.
https://www.kqed.org/news/11549263/the-island-ghost-town-in-the-middle-of-san-francisco-bay (https://www.kqed.org/news/11549263/the-island-ghost-town-in-the-middle-of-san-francisco-bay)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawbridge,_California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawbridge,_California)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexington,_California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexington,_California)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patchen,_California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patchen,_California)
Port Chicago probably has the unique and unfortunately explosive story of any Bay Area ghost town.
I would argue that the Northern New England states (Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine) don't really have any "forgotten" parts, probably because they don't have areas that are prominent enough in the first place to make anything else pale in comparsion. That, and the fact that they're already smaller that most other states.
Having lived in both rural and urban Kansas, I don't think I have a good perspective on what part of this state is "forgotten". Any ideas?
Quote from: kphoger on June 25, 2020, 12:50:43 PM
Having lived in both rural and urban Kansas, I don't think I have a good perspective on what part of this state is "forgotten". Any ideas?
Where does the state legislature seem to
not give funding?
Quote from: webny99 on June 25, 2020, 12:33:28 PM
I would argue that the Northern New England states (Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine) don't really have any "forgotten" parts, probably because they don't have areas that are prominent enough in the first place to make anything else pale in comparsion. That, and the fact that they're already smaller that most other states.
I would that anything north of US 2 in New Hampshire is "forgotten".
Quote from: 1 on June 24, 2020, 05:34:38 PM
The part of Texas that everyone forgets, including both of you: Brownsville and McAllen. Ask anyone in most of the country which state any of those three cities is in, and almost nobody will know. They have over 100,000 people each, and it's a significant metro area. Compare with Laredo, which most people know is in Texas.
its in our Toastmaster district and I always point out how Austin has 100 clubs and the valley being the same size has 5. and the kicker is many people know south padre island
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on June 25, 2020, 02:37:19 AM
In Minnesota it’s probably anything west of US 59. Moorhead gets lost being the smaller city next to Fargo, and there’s not much in the way of lakes or other tourism draws.
anything up north not east of US 53 as well
Easy one for Alabama. It is the area known as the Black Belt. There is a reason most consider I-65 between Montgomery and Mobile to be boring. It goes through it.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 25, 2020, 12:58:32 PM
Quote from: webny99 on June 25, 2020, 12:33:28 PM
I would argue that the Northern New England states (Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine) don't really have any "forgotten" parts, probably because they don't have areas that are prominent enough in the first place to make anything else pale in comparsion. That, and the fact that they're already smaller that most other states.
I would that anything north of US 2 in New Hampshire is "forgotten".
To add on here for the rest of New England:
CT: The Quiet Corner. Basically anything in the area bounded by I-84, SR 533, CT 85, CT 2, I-395, CT 165, the RI border, and the MA border
RI: Anything west of RI 116 and north of I-95
MA: 2 areas. The area in between Pittsfield, Williamstown, Greenfield, and Northampton. Also northwestern Worcester County and around Quabbin Reservoir.
VT: The Northeast Kingdom
ME: The Allagash (nothing but logging roads)
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 25, 2020, 11:35:12 AM
Quote from: bing101 on June 25, 2020, 11:06:24 AM
The Cities of Drawbridge, Lexington and Patchen in the San Jose area are ghost towns near the most expensive parts of Northern California and they get overshadowed by Palo Alto, Cupertino, Mountain View, and San Jose the most influential cities in the Santa Clara Valley.
https://www.kqed.org/news/11549263/the-island-ghost-town-in-the-middle-of-san-francisco-bay (https://www.kqed.org/news/11549263/the-island-ghost-town-in-the-middle-of-san-francisco-bay)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawbridge,_California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawbridge,_California)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexington,_California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexington,_California)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patchen,_California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patchen,_California)
Port Chicago probably has the unique and unfortunately explosive story of any Bay Area ghost town.
Port Chicago gets viewed as if it's inside the city of Concord though even though these are separate areas officially.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 25, 2020, 01:35:51 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 25, 2020, 12:58:32 PM
Quote from: webny99 on June 25, 2020, 12:33:28 PM
I would argue that the Northern New England states (Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine) don't really have any "forgotten" parts, probably because they don't have areas that are prominent enough in the first place to make anything else pale in comparsion. That, and the fact that they're already smaller that most other states.
I would that anything north of US 2 in New Hampshire is "forgotten".
To add on here for the rest of New England:
CT: The Quiet Corner. Basically anything in the area bounded by I-84, SR 533, CT 85, CT 2, I-395, CT 165, the RI border, and the MA border
RI: Anything west of RI 116 and north of I-95
MA: 2 areas. The area in between Pittsfield, Williamstown, Greenfield, and Northampton. Also northwestern Worcester County and around Quabbin Reservoir.
VT: The Northeast Kingdom
ME: The Allagash (nothing but logging roads)
Not New England, but what is it for New York? The US 11 corridor?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 25, 2020, 02:24:15 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 25, 2020, 01:35:51 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 25, 2020, 12:58:32 PM
Quote from: webny99 on June 25, 2020, 12:33:28 PM
I would argue that the Northern New England states (Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine) don't really have any "forgotten" parts, probably because they don't have areas that are prominent enough in the first place to make anything else pale in comparsion. That, and the fact that they're already smaller that most other states.
I would that anything north of US 2 in New Hampshire is "forgotten".
To add on here for the rest of New England:
CT: The Quiet Corner. Basically anything in the area bounded by I-84, SR 533, CT 85, CT 2, I-395, CT 165, the RI border, and the MA border
RI: Anything west of RI 116 and north of I-95
MA: 2 areas. The area in between Pittsfield, Williamstown, Greenfield, and Northampton. Also northwestern Worcester County and around Quabbin Reservoir.
VT: The Northeast Kingdom
ME: The Allagash (nothing but logging roads)
Not New England, but what is it for New York? The US 11 corridor?
Anything north of Westchester County if you ask Andrew Cuomo :biggrin:
I would say most of the area bound by NY 29, NY 12, US 11, and the Northway. Also, the southwest corner southeast of the Thruway and west of I-390.
Quote from: kphoger on June 25, 2020, 12:50:43 PM
Having lived in both rural and urban Kansas, I don't think I have a good perspective on what part of this state is "forgotten". Any ideas?
How about southeastern Kansas? I think people know about the cities, the college towns, the wide open spaces to the west, and the Flint Hills. But anything south of, say, US 54/Fort Scott and east of the Flint Hills is an area where the main industry was extraction and at best it's not as easy or cheap to extract anymore. It's a bit Ozarky, but not enough that it gets the play that the Ozarks in Arkansas, Missouri, and even Oklahoma do. Not to mention it is bypassed by most of the main roads.
The best answer for Nevada, beyond the obvious "pretty much the entire state outside of Las Vegas and Reno", is everything north of I-80. There are no towns, nothing, just a few ranches along US 95 north of Winnemucca...except for one week a year when 60,000 people pile into the Burning Man site.
Five US or state highways hit the Oregon or Idaho borders and these are some representative AADT:
SR 140: 350 (west of Denio Junction)
SR 292: 140 (at Denio)
US 95: 2700 (at McDermitt)
SR 225: 210 (near "Mountain City"; AADT is higher near the NV/ID state line at Owyhee because there's a tribal community right there)
US 93: 4100 (at Jackpot)
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 23, 2020, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 23, 2020, 05:48:10 PM
The Lost Coast of California has always been pretty much no man's land. Much of the Sierra Nevada Mountains is uninhabited wilderness. The Santa Lucia Range in Big Sur aside from CA 1 is also devoid of people. Some of the coast range mountains contain nothing but ghost towns and ranches.
Is the northeast/Modoc County up there as well?
Most of California north of Lake Tahoe gets forgotten. But probably not by the couple million people who live there.
Quote from: bing101 on June 25, 2020, 01:45:16 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 25, 2020, 11:35:12 AM
Quote from: bing101 on June 25, 2020, 11:06:24 AM
The Cities of Drawbridge, Lexington and Patchen in the San Jose area are ghost towns near the most expensive parts of Northern California and they get overshadowed by Palo Alto, Cupertino, Mountain View, and San Jose the most influential cities in the Santa Clara Valley.
https://www.kqed.org/news/11549263/the-island-ghost-town-in-the-middle-of-san-francisco-bay (https://www.kqed.org/news/11549263/the-island-ghost-town-in-the-middle-of-san-francisco-bay)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawbridge,_California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawbridge,_California)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexington,_California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexington,_California)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patchen,_California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patchen,_California)
Port Chicago probably has the unique and unfortunately explosive story of any Bay Area ghost town.
Port Chicago gets viewed as if it's inside the city of Concord though even though these are separate areas officially.
In the same area some Crockett and even old US 40 on Carquinez Scenic Drive seems to have disappeared from collective memory. Some of those old mining camps in Corral Hollow Pass have disappeared into obscurity also.
Quote from: michravera on June 25, 2020, 08:52:16 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 23, 2020, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 23, 2020, 05:48:10 PM
The Lost Coast of California has always been pretty much no man's land. Much of the Sierra Nevada Mountains is uninhabited wilderness. The Santa Lucia Range in Big Sur aside from CA 1 is also devoid of people. Some of the coast range mountains contain nothing but ghost towns and ranches.
Is the northeast/Modoc County up there as well?
Most of California north of Lake Tahoe gets forgotten. But probably not by the couple million people who live there.
With Modoc I would say they were forgotten until they started actively defying the Governor's COVID orders.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 25, 2020, 02:32:10 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 25, 2020, 02:24:15 PM
Not New England, but what is it for New York? The US 11 corridor?
Anything north of Westchester County if you ask Andrew Cuomo :biggrin:
I would say most of the area bound by NY 29, NY 12, US 11, and the Northway. Also, the southwest corner southeast of the Thruway and west of I-390.
New York has two levels of forgotten.
-Everything upstate (north of Westchester and especially north of the 42nd parallel) is forgotten compared to NYC.
-The other areas you mentioned (North Country and Southern Tier, especially western Southern Tier) are forgotten even by the rest of upstate, so that's a whole separate level!
Quote from: DandyDan on June 24, 2020, 05:41:51 AM
As for Minnesota, Southwestern Minnesota may as well be in South Dakota.
And just to hammer the point home, the Minnesota Welcome Center is
in South Dakota. :-D
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Quote from: DandyDan on June 24, 2020, 05:41:51 AM
As for Minnesota, Southwestern Minnesota may as well be in South Dakota.
And just to hammer the point home, the Minnesota Welcome Center is in South Dakota. :-D
Didn't realize that till now. I like how that means a rest area in South Dakota flies a Minnesota state flag.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 26, 2020, 12:27:36 AM
Quote from: michravera on June 25, 2020, 08:52:16 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 23, 2020, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 23, 2020, 05:48:10 PM
The Lost Coast of California has always been pretty much no man's land. Much of the Sierra Nevada Mountains is uninhabited wilderness. The Santa Lucia Range in Big Sur aside from CA 1 is also devoid of people. Some of the coast range mountains contain nothing but ghost towns and ranches.
Is the northeast/Modoc County up there as well?
Most of California north of Lake Tahoe gets forgotten. But probably not by the couple million people who live there.
With Modoc I would say they were forgotten until they started actively defying the Governor's COVID orders.
Yes also areas north of Placer, Mendocino, Yolo, Napa, Yuba and Sutter counties gets views as "State of Jefferson" which does get debated sometimes like the Brexit debates which always ends in water debates.
Quote from: bing101 on June 27, 2020, 01:54:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 26, 2020, 12:27:36 AM
Quote from: michravera on June 25, 2020, 08:52:16 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 23, 2020, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 23, 2020, 05:48:10 PM
The Lost Coast of California has always been pretty much no man's land. Much of the Sierra Nevada Mountains is uninhabited wilderness. The Santa Lucia Range in Big Sur aside from CA 1 is also devoid of people. Some of the coast range mountains contain nothing but ghost towns and ranches.
Is the northeast/Modoc County up there as well?
Most of California north of Lake Tahoe gets forgotten. But probably not by the couple million people who live there.
With Modoc I would say they were forgotten until they started actively defying the Governor's COVID orders.
Yes also areas north of Placer, Mendocino, Yolo, Napa, Yuba and Sutter counties gets views as "State of Jefferson" which does get debated sometimes like the Brexit debates which always ends in water debates.
You mean, water "contests"?
Quote from: Road Hog on June 29, 2020, 02:15:20 AM
Quote from: bing101 on June 27, 2020, 01:54:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 26, 2020, 12:27:36 AM
Quote from: michravera on June 25, 2020, 08:52:16 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 23, 2020, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 23, 2020, 05:48:10 PM
The Lost Coast of California has always been pretty much no man's land. Much of the Sierra Nevada Mountains is uninhabited wilderness. The Santa Lucia Range in Big Sur aside from CA 1 is also devoid of people. Some of the coast range mountains contain nothing but ghost towns and ranches.
Is the northeast/Modoc County up there as well?
Most of California north of Lake Tahoe gets forgotten. But probably not by the couple million people who live there.
With Modoc I would say they were forgotten until they started actively defying the Governor's COVID orders.
Yes also areas north of Placer, Mendocino, Yolo, Napa, Yuba and Sutter counties gets views as "State of Jefferson" which does get debated sometimes like the Brexit debates which always ends in water debates.
You mean, water "contests"?
They really aren't costs since the standing water rights are well established at this point in California.
More forgotten areas in South Carolina: Pretty much anywhere in a square between Lancaster, north of Camden, Hartsville/Darlington, out to I-95 to the east, and the NC state line to the north.
Basically Chesterfield, Marlboro and northern Darlington (above the race track). Most people forget that area even exists outside of high school football.
The border belt of North Carolina as well. Scotland, Richmond, Robeson, and Anson counties specifically. Very poor counties compared to the rest of the state. Robeson (where Lumberton is) is 38% Native American.
Rockingham in Richmond County lost a good chunk of its economy when it lost its NASCAR race in 2004.
I'd be interested in New York from an outsider's perspective. I think everything north of NYC qualifies as "forgotten", but there seems to be shades of forgottenness.
Quote from: webny99 on July 14, 2020, 11:26:37 AM
I'd be interested in New York from an outsider's perspective. I think everything north of NYC qualifies as "forgotten", but there seems to be shades of forgottenness.
The Southern Tier or land near US 11.
For Idaho, I'd say it's the northern US-93 corridor, towns like Challis and Salmon. That area is quite far away from most of the populated areas in Idaho. When people go to the mountains, they're usually talking about Sun Valley, McCall, Stanley, or Cascade. Or the far eastern area around Victor/Driggs near the Tetons and Yellowstone. I wouldn't say anything on the US-95 corridor feels forgotten, and of course neither is anything along the interstates. I've spent a lot of time in Idaho, but that's one of the few regions of the state I haven't been to.
Quote from: webny99 on July 14, 2020, 11:26:37 AM
I'd be interested in New York from an outsider's perspective. I think everything north of NYC qualifies as "forgotten", but there seems to be shades of forgottenness.
It's NYC, Albany, and forgetting everything else north of I-90 and west of I-87 between Albany and Buffalo.
Quote from: texaskdog on June 25, 2020, 01:23:03 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on June 25, 2020, 02:37:19 AM
In Minnesota it’s probably anything west of US 59. Moorhead gets lost being the smaller city next to Fargo, and there’s not much in the way of lakes or other tourism draws.
anything up north not east of US 53 as well
Bemidji and the Iron Range still have enough cache around here. I might move my line to US 71.
For Kentucky, it's pretty much any county that isn't on an interstate, parkway, or major four-lane corridor.
Even within regions, some places are more "forgotten" than others. There's an initiative called SOAR -- Shaping Our Appalachian Region -- and Harlan County in particular thinks it's being overlooked in favor of other areas. I call it SOAP -- Shaping Our Appalachian Pikeville -- because to me it seems like most of SOAR's efforts are focused on Pikeville and the other US 23/Big Sandy corridor communities that are already doing better than most of the other cities and counties.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on July 14, 2020, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: webny99 on July 14, 2020, 11:26:37 AM
I'd be interested in New York from an outsider's perspective. I think everything north of NYC qualifies as "forgotten", but there seems to be shades of forgottenness.
It's NYC, Albany, and forgetting everything else north of I-90 and west of I-87 between Albany and Buffalo.
I dunno, I would have thought Buffalo was much more well-known than Albany. Not only because of the Bills, Sabres, and buffalo wings, but it has much more historical significance, too.
Quote from: webny99 on July 15, 2020, 10:09:37 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on July 14, 2020, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: webny99 on July 14, 2020, 11:26:37 AM
I'd be interested in New York from an outsider's perspective. I think everything north of NYC qualifies as "forgotten", but there seems to be shades of forgottenness.
It's NYC, Albany, and forgetting everything else north of I-90 and west of I-87 between Albany and Buffalo.
I dunno, I would have thought Buffalo was much more well-known than Albany. Not only because of the Bills, Sabres, and buffalo wings, but it has much more historical significance, too.
Buffalo is more well known. The only thing people know about Albany is that it's New York's capital.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 15, 2020, 10:46:03 PMThe only thing people know about Albany is that it's New York's capital.
... and that people there (but not in Utica) refer to hamburgers as "steamed hams," despite the fact that they are obviously grilled.
Quote from: kinupanda on July 16, 2020, 12:36:09 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 15, 2020, 10:46:03 PM
The only thing people know about Albany is that it's New York's capital.
... and that people there (but not in Utica) refer to hamburgers as "steamed hams," despite the fact that they are obviously grilled.
(1) I didn't know that about Albany, and I seriously doubt most people do.
(2) I just steamed some hamburgers yesterday for dinner. Granted, they were left over and I had first grilled them a few days ago. But still. Steamed hamburgers for dinner last night at our house.
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 24, 2020, 02:31:37 PM
I think most people in Northern Virginia forget that the far southwestern parts of the state are actually in Virginia. That is, if you grow up here, you learn early on in school that Virginia borders five other states (Maryland, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, and North Carolina), but it's a heck of a long way from Northern Virginia–or from Hampton Roads, for that matter–to anywhere on the Kentucky state line, to the point where I tend to think people forget any of that is down there. Certainly a lot of people here don't understand how very different the more rural parts of Virginia are compared to the urban parts. People here are aware of Roanoke, Blacksburg, and Radford (the latter two because of universities located there), but I think much beyond that is more of an abstract concept to most people. Certainly my wife was surprised when I told her it's almost 380 miles from our house to the Tennessee state line on I-81 and that it's almost 470 miles (all in Virginia) to Cumberland Gap.
You'd think that GEICO ad where the gecko stands on this marker on State Street in Bristol (https://goo.gl/maps/3zaXcyncHGUgdvzJ8) might remind people of some of what's down that way, but I think despite the commercial people tend to associate Bristol with Tennessee because its best-known feature–the speedway–is in Tennessee.
I always like the geographic-oddity fun facts that extreme SW Virgina is closer to like other 5 state capitals instead of Richmond, and also that the area is further west than Detroit Michigan. It doesn't help that it's pretty sparsely populated.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 15, 2020, 10:46:03 PM
Quote from: webny99 on July 15, 2020, 10:09:37 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on July 14, 2020, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: webny99 on July 14, 2020, 11:26:37 AM
I'd be interested in New York from an outsider's perspective. I think everything north of NYC qualifies as "forgotten", but there seems to be shades of forgottenness.
It's NYC, Albany, and forgetting everything else north of I-90 and west of I-87 between Albany and Buffalo.
I dunno, I would have thought Buffalo was much more well-known than Albany. Not only because of the Bills, Sabres, and buffalo wings, but it has much more historical significance, too.
Buffalo is more well known. The only thing people know about Albany is that it's New York's capital.
I think Syracuse is more well-known than Albany as well, primarily because of Syracuse University's football and basketball programs.
Quote from: kinupanda on July 16, 2020, 12:36:09 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 15, 2020, 10:46:03 PMThe only thing people know about Albany is that it's New York's capital.
... and that people there (but not in Utica) refer to hamburgers as "steamed hams," despite the fact that they are obviously grilled.
Can you see the Aurora Borealis up there? Ideally localized, entirely within a kitchen.
Quote from: kphoger on July 16, 2020, 09:59:19 AM
Quote from: kinupanda on July 16, 2020, 12:36:09 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 15, 2020, 10:46:03 PM
The only thing people know about Albany is that it's New York's capital.
... and that people there (but not in Utica) refer to hamburgers as "steamed hams," despite the fact that they are obviously grilled.
I didn't know that about Albany, and I seriously doubt most people do.
https://youtu.be/4jXEuIHY9ic
Quote from: kphoger on July 16, 2020, 09:59:19 AM
Quote from: kinupanda on July 16, 2020, 12:36:09 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 15, 2020, 10:46:03 PM
The only thing people know about Albany is that it's New York's capital.
... and that people there (but not in Utica) refer to hamburgers as "steamed hams," despite the fact that they are obviously grilled.
(1) I didn't know that about Albany, and I seriously doubt most people do.
I didn't either, and I'm not entirely sure it's true. There's several users here from the Albany area that could probably tell us for sure.
But in any case, hamburgers are not "steamed hams"
or "grilled hams", for a reason entirely separate from how they're cooked: ham is pork, and hamburgers are beef. Unless ham is
short for hamburgers, in which case... yikes.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4b/e8/95/4be895914d83a29d7ebf7ab358133f49.gif)
Quote from: webny99 on July 16, 2020, 11:01:34 AM
Quote from: kphoger on July 16, 2020, 09:59:19 AM
Quote from: kinupanda on July 16, 2020, 12:36:09 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 15, 2020, 10:46:03 PM
The only thing people know about Albany is that it's New York's capital.
... and that people there (but not in Utica) refer to hamburgers as "steamed hams," despite the fact that they are obviously grilled.
(1) I didn't know that about Albany, and I seriously doubt most people do.
I didn't either, and I'm not entirely sure it's true. There's several users here from the Albany area that could probably tell us for sure.
But in any case, hamburgers are not "steamed hams" or "grilled hams", for a reason entirely separate from how they're cooked: ham is pork, and hamburgers are beef. Unless ham is short for hamburgers, in which case... yikes.
It's a pop culture reference from the 1990s, one which you clearly aren't getting (not meaning to judge, either).
Quote from: AlexandriaVA on July 16, 2020, 11:49:22 AM
It's a pop culture reference from the 1990s, one which you clearly aren't getting (not meaning to judge, either).
Thanks, I guess not. No offense taken.
Quote from: Konza on June 25, 2020, 02:32:57 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 25, 2020, 12:50:43 PM
Having lived in both rural and urban Kansas, I don't think I have a good perspective on what part of this state is "forgotten". Any ideas?
How about southeastern Kansas? I think people know about the cities, the college towns, the wide open spaces to the west, and the Flint Hills. But anything south of, say, US 54/Fort Scott and east of the Flint Hills is an area where the main industry was extraction and at best it's not as easy or cheap to extract anymore. It's a bit Ozarky, but not enough that it gets the play that the Ozarks in Arkansas, Missouri, and even Oklahoma do. Not to mention it is bypassed by most of the main roads.
US-69 is a fairly major road that runs through there. It'd be nice if they'd run the freeway portion around Fort Scott and south to Pittsburg at least, although all the way down to US-400/US-160 would be nice. Take a few more minutes off the trip to the Gardner/Olathe area where in-laws live. By the time I get up to US-69 on my trip, between Pittsburg and Ft. Scott, you'd be hard pressed to notice anything about the landscape that looked Ozarky.
Quote from: Road Hog on June 23, 2020, 09:42:33 PM
The entire southeastern half of Arkansas is withering away. Everyone knows of the explosive growth in NWA, and the Little Rock metro area continues to grow as well.
But in the delta, there are towns like Marianna that had 5A schools just 30 years ago that can't even field an 11-man football team today. The only place wholly east of US 67 that has any prosperity at all is Jonesboro.
Amazing how the wealth of the state just flip-flopped from one side of US-67 to the other. Used to be all agricultural wealth, but now it's the mountains, lakes, and forests that are the draw these days. Especially right now. You can't hardly find any decently priced lake houses in the state after Covid hit with all of the Florida, Illinois, Texas, and California plates you see around here these days.
Most of Louisiana is pretty much forgotten north of I-10. I learned at a young age that many people think that once you cross into Louisiana ANYWHERE, all houses are built on stilts in a swamp surrounded by alligators...and that the entire population of the state is cajun.
If you need an easy reference: History Channel's "Swamp People" is pretty much US 190 south. A&E's "Duck Dynasty" is US 190 north.
The delta region is sparsely populated. Many areas north of Alexandria & south of I-20 is mostly pine forests (most of Kisatchie NF is here).
I hosted a meet in Shreveport/Caddo Parish 2 years ago. Some of the attendees had no idea that Shreveport was an "actual city". So maybe this shows that all of Louisiana is forgotten? 😁😁🤣🤣🤣
Outsider's perspective on Louisiana: I definitely forget about everything north of I-10. I mostly think of New Orleans, and if you said
"rural Louisiana", my immediate thoughts would be of the bayou/delta region in the south.
A few years ago I drove in that area to explore I-49 and find the LA-TX-AR tri-point. That part of NW LA is scenic and actually surprisingly hilly.
Quote from: Road Hog on July 27, 2020, 10:30:25 PM
A few years ago I drove in that area to explore I-49 and find the LA-TX-AR tri-point. That part of NW LA is scenic and actually surprisingly hilly.
Isn't that part of the Ozarks there?
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As I was perusing a thread about Southern Illinois, someone referred to the southeast-central part (between 70 and the Ohio River, east of 57 roughly, as "Forgottonia." That got me thinking--what part of your state is neglected, little-populated, not much visited, or just unlikely to cross your mind that often? For Missouri there are parts of the Northeast and North-central regions that might fit the bill. Any other corners like that?
I always thought of/heard that Forgottonia was the western bulge of Illinois (south of Moline, north of St. Louis, and west of Springfield).
That's the historical definition, yeah. In recent decades, with the flight of people and jobs from SE Illinois, the depopulation has shifted to mostly there. It's kinda paradoxical, but when everyone calls a region Forgottonia it ceases to be forgotten as much.
Either that, or Forgottonia has become so forgotten that everyone forgot the name was already taken. :-D
Forgottonia was or is the bulge here in Western Illinois. Wikipedia has a pretty good article on it.
The Southeast area of Illinois is hardly forgotten . The Eastern Alliance is a group of big Trump supporting legislators who are be th good at getting media attention for attacking Chicago.
Unlike original Forgottonia the Eastern Alliance said they would drive on gravel if it would do something that would upset Chicago.
There was very little money for 4 lane roads in the new Capital bill.....all of it went in or near Forgottonia.
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 27, 2020, 10:38:42 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on July 27, 2020, 10:30:25 PM
A few years ago I drove in that area to explore I-49 and find the LA-TX-AR tri-point. That part of NW LA is scenic and actually surprisingly hilly.
Isn't that part of the Ozarks there?
Not even close.
What's Florida's forgotten area?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 10:36:42 PM
What's Florida's forgotten area?
Anything not coastal.
Quote from: Takumi on July 28, 2020, 11:52:46 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 10:36:42 PM
What's Florida's forgotten area?
Anything not coastal.
Orlando is not coastal, and quite the opposite of forgotten.
I say the panhandle, especially the western panhandle.
For WI I'd say the area south of La Crosse, west of Reedsburg, and north of Prairie du Chien. The rolling topography makes it so that there can't really be any large towns in that area - Viroqua and Richland Center are the only places of any size at all. And there's no real reason for any regional travelers to drive through there - US-14/61 is the only road of note, and even that one passes through so many tiny little towns. It's a lot quicker to take I-90.
Quote from: MikieTimT on July 22, 2020, 04:32:03 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on June 23, 2020, 09:42:33 PM
The entire southeastern half of Arkansas is withering away. Everyone knows of the explosive growth in NWA, and the Little Rock metro area continues to grow as well.
But in the delta, there are towns like Marianna that had 5A schools just 30 years ago that can't even field an 11-man football team today. The only place wholly east of US 67 that has any prosperity at all is Jonesboro.
Amazing how the wealth of the state just flip-flopped from one side of US-67 to the other. Used to be all agricultural wealth, but now it's the mountains, lakes, and forests that are the draw these days. Especially right now. You can't hardly find any decently priced lake houses in the state after Covid hit with all of the Florida, Illinois, Texas, and California plates you see around here these days.
I think that sort of thing is happening with all southeastern states. Like Alabama for example - the state is declining as a whole, but Huntsville is growing really quickly.
Quote from: webny99 on July 29, 2020, 11:38:54 AM
Quote from: Takumi on July 28, 2020, 11:52:46 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 10:36:42 PM
What's Florida's forgotten area?
Anything not coastal.
Orlando is not coastal, and quite the opposite of forgotten.
I say the panhandle, especially the western panhandle.
All right, you found the one exception. I was thinking more of places like Ocala and Sebring.
Quote from: thspfc on July 29, 2020, 11:51:42 AM
For WI I'd say the area south of La Crosse, west of Reedsburg, and north of Prairie du Chien. The rolling topography makes it so that there can't really be any large towns in that area - Viroqua and Richland Center are the only places of any size at all. And there's no real reason for any regional travelers to drive through there - US-14/61 is the only road of note, and even that one passes through so many tiny little towns. It's a lot quicker to take I-90.
I was also thinking the area north of WIS 29 between US 53 and US 41.
Quote from: Takumi on July 29, 2020, 12:52:21 PM
Quote from: webny99 on July 29, 2020, 11:38:54 AM
Quote from: Takumi on July 28, 2020, 11:52:46 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 10:36:42 PM
What's Florida's forgotten area?
Anything not coastal.
Orlando is not coastal, and quite the opposite of forgotten.
I say the panhandle, especially the western panhandle.
All right, you found the one exception. I was thinking more of places like Ocala and Sebring.
So Gainesville counts as forgotten?
Quote from: kphoger on July 29, 2020, 03:43:15 PM
Quote from: Takumi on July 29, 2020, 12:52:21 PM
Quote from: webny99 on July 29, 2020, 11:38:54 AM
Quote from: Takumi on July 28, 2020, 11:52:46 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 10:36:42 PM
What's Florida's forgotten area?
Anything not coastal.
Orlando is not coastal, and quite the opposite of forgotten.
I say the panhandle, especially the western panhandle.
All right, you found the one exception. I was thinking more of places like Ocala and Sebring.
So Gainesville counts as forgotten?
For me it does, definitely.
If I had to put Florida into tiers, from most-remembered to most-forgotten, it would look like:
Tier 1: Eastern shore (from Daytona Beach to Miami), Orlando area, Tampa Bay area
Tier 2: Jacksonville, Everglades, Florida Keys
Tier 3: Everything else east of Tallahassee, including Tallahassee itself.
Tier 4: Everything west of Tallahassee
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on July 29, 2020, 03:39:22 PM
Quote from: thspfc on July 29, 2020, 11:51:42 AM
For WI I'd say the area south of La Crosse, west of Reedsburg, and north of Prairie du Chien. The rolling topography makes it so that there can't really be any large towns in that area - Viroqua and Richland Center are the only places of any size at all. And there's no real reason for any regional travelers to drive through there - US-14/61 is the only road of note, and even that one passes through so many tiny little towns. It's a lot quicker to take I-90.
I was also thinking the area north of WIS 29 between US 53 and US 41.
Not at all. There are several touristy towns in that area. Plus for highways they have the expressway US-51.
Quote from: webny99 on July 29, 2020, 04:00:40 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 29, 2020, 03:43:15 PM
Quote from: Takumi on July 29, 2020, 12:52:21 PM
Quote from: webny99 on July 29, 2020, 11:38:54 AM
Quote from: Takumi on July 28, 2020, 11:52:46 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 10:36:42 PM
What's Florida's forgotten area?
Anything not coastal.
Orlando is not coastal, and quite the opposite of forgotten.
I say the panhandle, especially the western panhandle.
All right, you found the one exception. I was thinking more of places like Ocala and Sebring.
So Gainesville counts as forgotten?
For me it does, definitely.
I doubt most Floridians would agree, though, particularly given that it's the home of the state's flagship university.
My best guess would be everything north of I-10, excluding the Jacksonville area.
As for my own state, I'll go with probably the bit bounded by I-75, I-16, I-95, and US 82. I've never been there myself in 30+ years living in Georgia and really couldn't tell you much of anything that's there.
Quote from: thspfc on July 29, 2020, 05:20:49 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on July 29, 2020, 03:39:22 PM
Quote from: thspfc on July 29, 2020, 11:51:42 AM
For WI I'd say the area south of La Crosse, west of Reedsburg, and north of Prairie du Chien. The rolling topography makes it so that there can't really be any large towns in that area - Viroqua and Richland Center are the only places of any size at all. And there's no real reason for any regional travelers to drive through there - US-14/61 is the only road of note, and even that one passes through so many tiny little towns. It's a lot quicker to take I-90.
I was also thinking the area north of WIS 29 between US 53 and US 41.
Not at all. There are several touristy towns in that area. Plus for highways they have the expressway US-51.
Yeah, I suppose Bayfield and the Apostles are a little more well known than that, aren't they.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on July 29, 2020, 09:36:33 PM
Quote from: thspfc on July 29, 2020, 05:20:49 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on July 29, 2020, 03:39:22 PM
Quote from: thspfc on July 29, 2020, 11:51:42 AM
For WI I'd say the area south of La Crosse, west of Reedsburg, and north of Prairie du Chien. The rolling topography makes it so that there can't really be any large towns in that area - Viroqua and Richland Center are the only places of any size at all. And there's no real reason for any regional travelers to drive through there - US-14/61 is the only road of note, and even that one passes through so many tiny little towns. It's a lot quicker to take I-90.
I was also thinking the area north of WIS 29 between US 53 and US 41.
Not at all. There are several touristy towns in that area. Plus for highways they have the expressway US-51.
Yeah, I suppose Bayfield and the Apostles are a little more well known than that, aren't they.
Places like Minocqua, Rhinelander, and Hayward are popular tourist destinations for Chicagolanders as well.
South Carolina in tiers of "forgotten."
Tier 1: Charleston, Myrtle Beach, Hilton Head, Columbia, Greenville
Tier 2: Florence, Rock Hill, Clemson (I'd maybe even put Florence toward bottom of tier 1 because so many people drive through SC on I-95 and Florence is the only city of note)
Tier 3: Sumter, Aiken, Anderson, Spartanburg, Point South (the 33 MM on I-95 where 17 forks off toward Charleston).
Tier 4: Tons of forgotten areas in the state. Pretty much anywhere not on I-95, 26, 85, or US 17.
To those of us in Charleston, York County may as well be Charlotte, SC; Williamsburg County, even though it is only 60 miles away, feels like it is years backwards.
Even northern Berkeley and western Dorchester counties to most Charlestonians barely exists. Dorchester County has two school districts; 2 for the Summerville area, and 4 for the much poorer western part of the county.
Abbeville, Greenwood, Saluda, McCormick, and Edgefield Counties are often forgotten by almost everybody. The local TV stations serving each of those counties don't cover a lot of news from those places. McCormick and Edgefield are served by Augusta stations, which mainly focus on GA counties and Aiken County.
Abbeville/Greenwood are served by Greenville TV stations, which are 50-60 miles from those counties and mainly focus on HS football when they do cover them, unless it is something real major like a double murder or bad severe weather.
Quote from: Eth on July 29, 2020, 07:53:17 PM
Quote from: webny99 on July 29, 2020, 04:00:40 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 29, 2020, 03:43:15 PM
So Gainesville counts as forgotten?
For me it does, definitely.
I doubt most Floridians would agree, though, particularly given that it's the home of the state's flagship university.
My best guess would be everything north of I-10, excluding the Jacksonville area.
North of I-10? That doesn't leave very much. Maybe north of Gainesville (excluding Jacksonville), so you're at least including the entire panhandle.
Quote from: webny99 on July 30, 2020, 11:31:58 AM
Quote from: Eth on July 29, 2020, 07:53:17 PM
Quote from: webny99 on July 29, 2020, 04:00:40 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 29, 2020, 03:43:15 PM
So Gainesville counts as forgotten?
For me it does, definitely.
I doubt most Floridians would agree, though, particularly given that it's the home of the state's flagship university.
My best guess would be everything north of I-10, excluding the Jacksonville area.
North of I-10? That doesn't leave very much. Maybe north of Gainesville (excluding Jacksonville), so you're at least including the entire panhandle.
Um, the St. Johns River between here and there would want a word on that.
For West Virginia, two general areas.
First is everything south of I-64 and west of the Turnpike/I-77. Excepting the counties through which Corridor L (US 119) travels, and even then areas off the four-lane in those counties don't really count, the area is a wasteland. Until West Virginia gets serious about building US 52 and US 121, it's going to stay that way.
Then, there are the non-river counties south of the Mason-Dixon line, and north and west of I-79. Despite all the fracking activity in this area, the towns are small and the roads are horrible. Not even Corridor D (US 50) has done anything for the communities along it, except for Ellenboro, which has picked up some highway businesses. And then I'd throw in the isolated Monroe and Webster counties.
The eastern panhandle probably thinks it's forgotten, given its distance and isolation from Charleston, but I've seen a lot more development and improvements there than in places like Lincoln, Wyoming and McDowell counties.
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 30, 2020, 11:38:11 AM
Quote from: webny99 on July 30, 2020, 11:31:58 AM
Quote from: Eth on July 29, 2020, 07:53:17 PM
Quote from: webny99 on July 29, 2020, 04:00:40 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 29, 2020, 03:43:15 PM
So Gainesville counts as forgotten?
For me it does, definitely.
I doubt most Floridians would agree, though, particularly given that it's the home of the state's flagship university.
My best guess would be everything north of I-10, excluding the Jacksonville area.
North of I-10? That doesn't leave very much. Maybe north of Gainesville (excluding Jacksonville), so you're at least including the entire panhandle.
Um, the St. Johns River between here and there would want a word on that.
Rivers can talk?
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 27, 2020, 10:38:42 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on July 27, 2020, 10:30:25 PM
A few years ago I drove in that area to explore I-49 and find the LA-TX-AR tri-point. That part of NW LA is scenic and actually surprisingly hilly.
Isn't that part of the Ozarks there?
Wrong tri-point. You're thinking of AR/MO-43/OK-20 at the NW corner of AR/SW corner of MO/E OK.
Quote from: MikieTimT on July 31, 2020, 02:49:22 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 27, 2020, 10:38:42 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on July 27, 2020, 10:30:25 PM
A few years ago I drove in that area to explore I-49 and find the LA-TX-AR tri-point. That part of NW LA is scenic and actually surprisingly hilly.
Isn't that part of the Ozarks there?
Wrong tri-point. You're thinking of AR/MO-43/OK-20 at the NW corner of AR/SW corner of MO/E OK.
Then what's the name of the hills over in the OP?
If anything, it'd be the southern part of the Ouachitas.
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 31, 2020, 03:38:29 PM
If anything, it'd be the southern part of the Ouachitas.
Hmm...I'm not at all familiar with that range.
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 31, 2020, 03:43:46 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 31, 2020, 03:38:29 PM
If anything, it'd be the southern part of the Ouachitas.
Hmm...I’m not at all familiar with that range.
https://goo.gl/maps/RGQyfKLZX64FBMA86
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouachita_Mountains
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on July 29, 2020, 03:39:22 PM
Quote from: thspfc on July 29, 2020, 11:51:42 AM
For WI I'd say the area south of La Crosse, west of Reedsburg, and north of Prairie du Chien. The rolling topography makes it so that there can't really be any large towns in that area - Viroqua and Richland Center are the only places of any size at all. And there's no real reason for any regional travelers to drive through there - US-14/61 is the only road of note, and even that one passes through so many tiny little towns. It's a lot quicker to take I-90.
I was also thinking the area north of WIS 29 between US 53 and US 41.
"North of 29" is also a term used in Wisconsin by Cheeseheads themselves to mention how they don't really pay Madison much heed up north, and act as if they're a different state.
Quote from: cjk374 on July 26, 2020, 08:36:53 AM
Most of Louisiana is pretty much forgotten north of I-10. I learned at a young age that many people think that once you cross into Louisiana ANYWHERE, all houses are built on stilts in a swamp surrounded by alligators...and that the entire population of the state is cajun.
If you need an easy reference: History Channel's "Swamp People" is pretty much US 190 south. A&E's "Duck Dynasty" is US 190 north.
The delta region is sparsely populated. Many areas north of Alexandria & south of I-20 is mostly pine forests (most of Kisatchie NF is here).
I hosted a meet in Shreveport/Caddo Parish 2 years ago. Some of the attendees had no idea that Shreveport was an "actual city". So maybe this shows that all of Louisiana is forgotten? 😁😁🤣🤣🤣
Then you get people who mix up the Delta (east of Monroe, facing Mississippi) with the Mississippi River Delta (downriver from New Orleans).
Quote from: Brandon on July 31, 2020, 04:23:31 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on July 29, 2020, 03:39:22 PM
Quote from: thspfc on July 29, 2020, 11:51:42 AM
For WI I'd say the area south of La Crosse, west of Reedsburg, and north of Prairie du Chien. The rolling topography makes it so that there can't really be any large towns in that area - Viroqua and Richland Center are the only places of any size at all. And there's no real reason for any regional travelers to drive through there - US-14/61 is the only road of note, and even that one passes through so many tiny little towns. It's a lot quicker to take I-90.
I was also thinking the area north of WIS 29 between US 53 and US 41.
"North of 29" is also a term used in Wisconsin by Cheeseheads themselves to mention how they don't really pay Madison much heed up north, and act as if they're a different state.
Does Superior, WI, feel more like Minnesota?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 31, 2020, 08:55:43 PM
Quote from: Brandon on July 31, 2020, 04:23:31 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on July 29, 2020, 03:39:22 PM
Quote from: thspfc on July 29, 2020, 11:51:42 AM
For WI I'd say the area south of La Crosse, west of Reedsburg, and north of Prairie du Chien. The rolling topography makes it so that there can't really be any large towns in that area - Viroqua and Richland Center are the only places of any size at all. And there's no real reason for any regional travelers to drive through there - US-14/61 is the only road of note, and even that one passes through so many tiny little towns. It's a lot quicker to take I-90.
I was also thinking the area north of WIS 29 between US 53 and US 41.
"North of 29" is also a term used in Wisconsin by Cheeseheads themselves to mention how they don't really pay Madison much heed up north, and act as if they're a different state.
Does Superior, WI, feel more like Minnesota?
Not really. They're Wisconsinites, invested in Wisconsin issues and root for Wisconsin sports teams (especially the Packers, but you'll find some Twins fans around).
I lived in Superior. They take a lot of pride in being the "ugly sister" of the Twin Ports.
"Next to Duluth, We're Superior"
Nevada has forgotten areas such as Tonopah, Ely,
Basically if you exclude the Las Vegas area, Reno, Carson City and Lake Tahoe then the Majority of Nevada would be forgotten area.
In Hawaii the Islands of Kawai, Ni'Hau, Molokai and Kaho'olawe are forgotten due to most of Hawaii's Population is located on 3 islands such as Big Island, Oahu and Maui.
For Texas, I'd say it was the roughly square area between Lubbock, El Paso, Del Rio, and San Angelo. Then again, considering the sparseness of the population and aridness/featurelessness of the land, it may be deserved.
In reality, it's the area east of I-45/Dallas (and to a lesser extent, the area between the Red River and I-30, east of I-35) and northeast of Houston. Its swampiness and heavily-forested nature lead to it often being lumped in with Louisiana in the national consciousness. In addition, it fails to meet the common stereotype of Texas for those same reasons, which is more similar in nature to the part of west Texas I described first.