Wake me up when development of Loop 9 begins
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https://www.waxahachietx.com/news/20180829/loop-9-to-create-greater-connectivity-new-economic-opportunities-in-northern-ellis-county
I'm betting it'll be a Tollway/Toll Road, cause it can't be a new DFW highway without it being a Tollway, right?
The bottom attachment indicates it would be a "tollway" .
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 10, 2021, 10:43:16 PM
The bottom attachment indicates it would be a "tollway" .
i know that, as i looked up the image after i made the quote in the OP (original post)
Why the hell do they need this? In 50 years they'll be proposing their 30th loop thinking that's going to somehow solve their traffic problem.
Pixel 5
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 10, 2021, 10:52:00 PM
Why the hell do they need this? In 50 years they'll be proposing their 30th loop thinking that's going to somehow solve their traffic problem.
Pixel 5
The northern portion is needed yesterday, particularly along US-380.
This is what happens when you
don't build infrastructure and growth still comes. You need these roads to keep up, which is why it's proposed.
Quote from: TheBox on June 10, 2021, 10:41:25 PM
Wake me up when development of Loop 9 begins
I'm betting it'll be a Tollway/Toll Road, cause it can't be a new DFW highway without it being a Tollway, right?
Wake up!
TxDOT receives bids next month for an estimated $101 million contract for new frontage roads between IH-35E and IH-45 south of Dallas. Plans are posted on the TxDOT website.
https://www.dot.state.tx.us/insdtdot/orgchart/cmd/cserve/let/2021/dallas.htm#296410008 (https://www.dot.state.tx.us/insdtdot/orgchart/cmd/cserve/let/2021/dallas.htm#296410008)
In north Collin County, a section of frontage road for the Collin Country outer loop has been open for several years. Right-of-way acquisition for the section from US 75 to the Dallas North Tollway is in progress. See details
http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001Jwdx1iubx2unUZRRHnREtHrPaWF11p-eq0f5KnnXBP5lgYGSRx-NK7-bm8FC6OHW74A2TMBtzwA1Q6gKiDdAuP04rPmTUFMI5w0pbDQ5fv0aq_4hLxnwrYfcJl3P6CzwAl2e_lOUZkrnkOuRWagrAvx3OGEC-svOepF5wwYd_gl06fdHK-XVUQOqHaabH2c9bi_6veZFvXoNImFVxN7m_CYIxQSVDkMelpIwt-7TiwHREUH4tXViGSKk_PeWONZQ0AxDLh5LMBV9FbUmhFpgcSSj1N6YFu8AJO_3Sb0Gg7aLB_DOm6yK6w==&c=XiZyaTpGeXqloNW5n4eXnynUEKmLbaYJzr1aphUq_FmBr1ajdojT2A==&ch=abZxvBXzI_1B-4Esg22Ih_rGva6PxdFOMuj_2rt3KnDUuapFPKMqWg== (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001Jwdx1iubx2unUZRRHnREtHrPaWF11p-eq0f5KnnXBP5lgYGSRx-NK7-bm8FC6OHW74A2TMBtzwA1Q6gKiDdAuP04rPmTUFMI5w0pbDQ5fv0aq_4hLxnwrYfcJl3P6CzwAl2e_lOUZkrnkOuRWagrAvx3OGEC-svOepF5wwYd_gl06fdHK-XVUQOqHaabH2c9bi_6veZFvXoNImFVxN7m_CYIxQSVDkMelpIwt-7TiwHREUH4tXViGSKk_PeWONZQ0AxDLh5LMBV9FbUmhFpgcSSj1N6YFu8AJO_3Sb0Gg7aLB_DOm6yK6w==&c=XiZyaTpGeXqloNW5n4eXnynUEKmLbaYJzr1aphUq_FmBr1ajdojT2A==&ch=abZxvBXzI_1B-4Esg22Ih_rGva6PxdFOMuj_2rt3KnDUuapFPKMqWg==)
The current plan is for Loop 9 to be toll free, but of course that could change in the future.
QuoteI'm betting it'll be a Tollway / Toll Road, cause it can't be a new DFW highway without it being a Tollway, Right?
Right.
QuoteThe bottom attachment indicates it would be a “Tollway”.
Good.
QuoteWhy the hell do they need this?
Toll Roads are necessary.
QuoteThis is what happens when you don’t build infrastructure and growth still comes. You need these roads to keep up, which is why it’s proposed.
That is one reason why Toll Roads are necessary. The traffic doubles by the time they have their first meeting planning them.
QuoteThe current plan is for Loop 9 to be toll free, but of course that could change in the future.
I hope they change in future.
^
What is the major benefit of toll roads over free roads that you are heavily advocating for?
I think Texas is getting away from the toll road trend overall though... which is a good thing. It's a miracle San Antonio has avoided the tolling era all together.
sprawl continues
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 11, 2021, 08:18:47 AM
sprawl continues
Sprawl continues regardless of whether there's a freeway there or not. Look at Tucson and the northern suburbs of Atlanta.
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 11, 2021, 02:57:17 AM
^
What is the major benefit of toll roads over free roads that you are heavily advocating for?
I think Texas is getting away from the toll road trend overall though… which is a good thing. It’s a miracle San Antonio has avoided the tolling era all together.
In addition to my earlier post, Free Roads are not exactly Free. They require Various Taxes which people like to Nit Pick about over and over again. At the same time they do not ever complain about the silly U.S.P.S., and also The Rival Heavier Than Air Craft People. Both places are much more "Burdens Of Grandchildren", yet the only fuss is about Road, Rail, Bridges, and Tunnels. People even want them removed (!) despite being Necessary Traffic Control. "Corrupt" Toll Agencies That Keep The Roads Tolled provide maintenance and upgrades and expansions and extensions of more Roads even if they are Tolled.
From my experience, people tend to complain about both, but more so tolls than taxes, especially in the long run. I'd rather see a tax increase and tax dollars put to good use completing necessary projects without tolls, rather than still paying taxes and then also having to pay tolls on facilities to drive.
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 11, 2021, 08:18:47 AM
sprawl continues
Again, sprawl has already well happened along the US-380 corridor yet it hasn't been upgraded to freeway.
It's going to happen regardless, which you seem to keep ignoring. Better to build up the infrastructure when the land is available vs. a situation like US-380 today where right of way is limited.
While there may be argument over the toll roads, look at the Free Roads that were there before the tollways. Look at the current free roads (the frontage roads) that are there after. The free roads are far better and even with the inherent stop lights on the frontage roads, all in all you still get from point A to point B along the current (free) frontage roads as fast or faster than you did the previous 2-lane roads.
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 11, 2021, 12:35:15 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 11, 2021, 08:18:47 AM
sprawl continues
Again, sprawl has already well happened along the US-380 corridor yet it hasn't been upgraded to freeway.
It's going to happen regardless, which you seem to keep ignoring. Better to build up the infrastructure when the land is available vs. a situation like US-380 today where right of way is limited.
There are Construction Cranes every where along U.S. 380 which is going to increase the traffic.
Another example of a nightmare is Walmart on the corner of Custer Road and U.S. 380 has no adequate way to go west. I drove across one carriage way, stopped in front of traffic waiting to Turn Left, and wait for The Fast Lane Westbound to be Clear. Dedicated Grade Separated Turnaround Lanes are preferable.
In some areas There Is Still Time to Preserve The Space, but other areas such as where that Walmart is located, Time Ran Out.
Also, They most certainly have the Frontage Roads option to Shunpike the Dallas North Tollway. They even build them first!
Quote from: MaxConcrete on June 10, 2021, 11:37:33 PM
Quote from: TheBox on June 10, 2021, 10:41:25 PM
Wake me up when development of Loop 9 begins
I'm betting it'll be a Tollway/Toll Road, cause it can't be a new DFW highway without it being a Tollway, right?
Wake up!
TxDOT receives bids next month for an estimated $101 million contract for new frontage roads between IH-35E and IH-45 south of Dallas. Plans are posted on the TxDOT website.
https://www.dot.state.tx.us/insdtdot/orgchart/cmd/cserve/let/2021/dallas.htm#296410008 (https://www.dot.state.tx.us/insdtdot/orgchart/cmd/cserve/let/2021/dallas.htm#296410008)
In north Collin County, a section of frontage road for the Collin Country outer loop has been open for several years. Right-of-way acquisition for the section from US 75 to the Dallas North Tollway is in progress. See details
http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001Jwdx1iubx2unUZRRHnREtHrPaWF11p-eq0f5KnnXBP5lgYGSRx-NK7-bm8FC6OHW74A2TMBtzwA1Q6gKiDdAuP04rPmTUFMI5w0pbDQ5fv0aq_4hLxnwrYfcJl3P6CzwAl2e_lOUZkrnkOuRWagrAvx3OGEC-svOepF5wwYd_gl06fdHK-XVUQOqHaabH2c9bi_6veZFvXoNImFVxN7m_CYIxQSVDkMelpIwt-7TiwHREUH4tXViGSKk_PeWONZQ0AxDLh5LMBV9FbUmhFpgcSSj1N6YFu8AJO_3Sb0Gg7aLB_DOm6yK6w==&c=XiZyaTpGeXqloNW5n4eXnynUEKmLbaYJzr1aphUq_FmBr1ajdojT2A==&ch=abZxvBXzI_1B-4Esg22Ih_rGva6PxdFOMuj_2rt3KnDUuapFPKMqWg== (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001Jwdx1iubx2unUZRRHnREtHrPaWF11p-eq0f5KnnXBP5lgYGSRx-NK7-bm8FC6OHW74A2TMBtzwA1Q6gKiDdAuP04rPmTUFMI5w0pbDQ5fv0aq_4hLxnwrYfcJl3P6CzwAl2e_lOUZkrnkOuRWagrAvx3OGEC-svOepF5wwYd_gl06fdHK-XVUQOqHaabH2c9bi_6veZFvXoNImFVxN7m_CYIxQSVDkMelpIwt-7TiwHREUH4tXViGSKk_PeWONZQ0AxDLh5LMBV9FbUmhFpgcSSj1N6YFu8AJO_3Sb0Gg7aLB_DOm6yK6w==&c=XiZyaTpGeXqloNW5n4eXnynUEKmLbaYJzr1aphUq_FmBr1ajdojT2A==&ch=abZxvBXzI_1B-4Esg22Ih_rGva6PxdFOMuj_2rt3KnDUuapFPKMqWg==)
The current plan is for Loop 9 to be toll free, but of course that could change in the future.
TxDOT must have seriously advanced the Loop 9 project on the south end. Previous schedules had its letting in September 2022. They must've found the funding somewhere. And I thought Section A (the part between US 67 and I-35E) was going to be built first – those scoping meetings and public meetings were held more than a year ago.
The Collin County Outer Loop frontage road project is progressing. The roadway is open connecting Preston Road and the future Dallas North Tollway, and an extension east connecting Preston with Custer Road should be open by Labor Day (my guess based on progress). But I don't think TxDOT is involved in the Outer Loop project.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on June 11, 2021, 12:44:52 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 11, 2021, 08:18:47 AM
sprawl continues
As it should.
makes sense to have this opinion living in one of the most poorly designed cities in America.
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 14, 2021, 09:13:30 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on June 11, 2021, 12:44:52 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 11, 2021, 08:18:47 AM
sprawl continues
As it should.
makes sense to have this opinion living in one of the most poorly designed cities in America.
Ah, ad hominem, the cornerstone of any educated response.
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 14, 2021, 09:13:30 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on June 11, 2021, 12:44:52 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on June 11, 2021, 08:18:47 AM
sprawl continues
As it should.
makes sense to have this opinion living in one of the most poorly designed cities in America.
Sprawl will continue regardless, have you realized this?
A new article or two from......months ago if not a year ago
https://www.ketr.org/news/2023-01-02/rockwall-county-working-out-details-of-outer-loop-in-eastern-part-of-county
https://dentonrc.com/news/could-residents-concerns-mean-rocky-road-ahead-for-dfw-regional-outer-loop/article_3176a935-a168-5e3b-a474-e9f6f94c90ed.html
https://www.focusdailynews.com/loop-9-segment-a-from-us-67-to-i-35e-public-hearings/
https://www.waxahachiesun.com/business/public-hearing-for-proposed-loop-9-segment-a-in-dallas-and-ellis-counties/article_4a81ece6-7a65-11ed-ab3b-4ffcd650ef3e.html
Y'all forgot this proposed Loop 9 exists and so did I
Is the Loop 9 beltway ever going to be constructed? It does seem like a proposal worthy of Fictional Highways. If it is constructed, it would likely take decades to complete. It should be a toll road, like the TX 99 Grand Parkway. I wonder if Loop 9 will run into the same issues that have plagued the Grand Parkway from being fully completed.
I think the only "bones" of Loop 9 being put into place so far is the two disconnected segments of the Colin County Outer Loop a little North of McKinney. Those are just 2-lane access roads with swaths of empty ROW preserved off to the side.
If the toll road agencies involved in Loop 9 want to have any hope at all of completing this thing they need to get on the ball ASAP. The first step is doing like they're doing North of McKinney. Just get a 2-lane road put down to preserve the future toll road ROW off to the side. If they fart around build individual portions to completion one segment at a time the whole thing will never get finished.
There is also the section of loop 9 from I35E to I45 under construction they have opened a section of this phase starting at the northbound service road and going east. Google streetview on the northbound mainlanes shows it open as of 4 months ago.
Quote from: motorola870 on November 21, 2023, 05:34:10 AM
There is also the section of loop 9 from I35E to I45 under construction they have opened a section of this phase starting at the northbound service road and going east. Google streetview on the northbound mainlanes shows it open as of 4 months ago.
Is it labeled Tater Brown Road on Google Maps?
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5463166,-96.8146757,16.71z?entry=ttu
It overlaps Tater Brown Road from I-35E for about half a mile before diverting Northward on its own path. In Google Earth you have to turn on the Historical Imagery slider and shift to 7/2023 imagery to see the new construction. It is not visible in the default overhead imagery view.
Quote from: BJ59 on November 21, 2023, 01:28:23 PM
Quote from: motorola870 on November 21, 2023, 05:34:10 AM
There is also the section of loop 9 from I35E to I45 under construction they have opened a section of this phase starting at the northbound service road and going east. Google streetview on the northbound mainlanes shows it open as of 4 months ago.
Is it labeled Tater Brown Road on Google Maps?
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5463166,-96.8146757,16.71z?entry=ttu
Yup.
I was impressed with the 1+ mile long bridge at the east end as it approaches I-45.
I noticed all the support beams for that bridge on the way to Houston a while back and didn't know what they were. I did not know those were for the future Loop 9. Very cool
Quote from: BJ59 on November 21, 2023, 01:28:23 PM
Quote from: motorola870 on November 21, 2023, 05:34:10 AM
There is also the section of loop 9 from I35E to I45 under construction they have opened a section of this phase starting at the northbound service road and going east. Google streetview on the northbound mainlanes shows it open as of 4 months ago.
Is it labeled Tater Brown Road on Google Maps?
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5463166,-96.8146757,16.71z?entry=ttu
Yep. And if one goes to Google Earth and switches to the latest images (07/23) one can see the entire route from I-35E to I-45 is nearing phase 1 completion, except for the final 2 miles west of I-45. Those final 2 miles will be entirely on a bridge! Google Streetview from the west end of that bridge:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5545038,-96.6989358,3a,51.4y,72.51h,86.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2pEFEBaXQ3sdijGcBeoNJA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5545038,-96.6989358,3a,51.4y,72.51h,86.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2pEFEBaXQ3sdijGcBeoNJA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)
I-45 end looking west:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5608717,-96.6648804,3a,53.8y,273.61h,89.41t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sa7Hft06f1d5Azt0mMmrwaw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Da7Hft06f1d5Azt0mMmrwaw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D355.98544%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5608717,-96.6648804,3a,53.8y,273.61h,89.41t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sa7Hft06f1d5Azt0mMmrwaw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Da7Hft06f1d5Azt0mMmrwaw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D355.98544%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)
Bids were opened yesterday for work at I-35E and Loop 9, south of Dallas. The online plans show that most of this work is on I-35E, with minimal work on Loop 9. This job appears to prepare I-35E for the interchange, and defines the configuration and right-of-way for the ultimate Loop 9 main lanes.
http://www.dot.state.tx.us/insdtdot/orgchart/cmd/cserve/bidtab/02013001.htm (http://www.dot.state.tx.us/insdtdot/orgchart/cmd/cserve/bidtab/02013001.htm)
County: ELLIS Let Date: 02/01/24
Type: RECONSTRUCT INTERCHANGE Seq No: 3001
Time: 0 X Project ID: F 2024(737)
Highway: IH 35E Contract #: 02243001
Length: 0.000 CCSJ: 0442-03-042
Limits:
From: IH 35E AT FM 664 Check: $100,000
To: & IH 35E AT SL 9 Misc Cost:
Estimate $127,632,940.85 % Over/Under Company
Bidder 1 $146,081,306.28 +14.45% FLATIRON CONSTRUCTORS, INC.
Bidder 2 $147,149,991.40 +15.29% WEBBER, LLC
Bidder 3 $147,947,937.56 +15.92% INDUS ROAD & BRIDGE, INC.
$150 million? Just to prep I-35E for a directional interchange? I wonder if that will include the beginnings of any ramps. $150 million would be a lot just to build what will probably be a partial volleyball interchange.
Hopefully they do another bid soon for the interchange at the other end of the road. Might aswell do both interchanges so other loop segments have a starting base to start from. For example loop c can use the interchange as a visual base of how the road should be connected.
They have detailed plans for the main lanes and interchanges that will eventually be built. Right now their top concern needs to be corridor preservation. That can be done by merely building a 2-lane road with a swath of empty ROW preserved next to it. Such a thing can be built in a relatively short amount of time for not all that much money. It locks the super highway's ROW in place, protected from jackasses that want to build new things all over it. The initial 2-lane road would eventually be turned into one of two frontage roads. Or it might be one of the two primary roadways if there are no frontage roads on that segment.
Couldn't even purchase the row without needing to build anything?
If they just purchase the land and leave it vacant that will always leave open the possibility some media whore politician and scumbag real estate developer will pull a fast one and build over that land anyway. Or some progressive activists will insist the vacant property be turned into park land, green space, bicycle paths, etc. Jerks on both sides of the political aisle have no problem sabotaging long term infrastructure plans in return for short term gain.
To preserve a future freeway or toll road corridor properly there at least needs to be a 2-lane road marking the path permanently (with that vacant land secured off to the side). I know even that isn't a guarantee. But if there is at least a road of some type marking the path the general public will anticipate the big highway being built there eventually.
I was using SOAR Imagery and it looks the both bridges are fully paved. Google maps hasn't updated the street view.
I passed by their 3 days ago by I 35. Hopefully they finish the first phase soon. I wonder how will loop 9 connect with the outer loop at Kaufman since it looks like it won't connect. They might to add a connector or reshape the outer loop Kaufman.
Quote from: 05danper42842 on April 29, 2024, 06:41:02 PMI passed by their 3 days ago by I 35. Hopefully they finish the first phase soon. I wonder how will loop 9 connect with the outer loop at Kaufman since it looks like it won't connect. They might to add a connector or reshape the outer loop Kaufman.
Loop 9 is supposed to be pretty far west of the Kaufman Outer Loop. It'll only be in Kaufman County for a few miles around the Combine/Seagoville area and then shift back over into Dallas County again. The Outer Loop will also be north-south but it'll be somewhere between Forney and Terrell.
Loop 9 I-35E ROW Preparations and earthwork have begun since time and about today I drove by and noticed utilities relocation is on full force. Also, Loop 9 Segment C has received a ROD as of Dec 27, 2023. I can't find much information on Segment C. Would be interesting how would it with PGBT East Branch.
(https://www.nctcog.org/getmedia/2aea3110-2198-4bc7-9af9-194b51bcf4fe/partnerprogressreportsmarch2024.pdf?ext=.pdf)
A waze editor told me that loop 9 Corridor B could open as early in November of this year possbily.
Based on new updated satellite imagery that was released this week. Looks like loop 9 Segment C will be much more costly due to housing development growing at a fast rate near US 175. You can use this map link to view the alignment in google maps(Note the alignments may be incorrect since the gis alignments were obtained for the outer loop way before they finalized the alignments. Not alot information has been given out about that segment of loop 9. They received a ROD for that segment last year or this year.
https://www.txdot.gov/loop9/segment-c.html (https://www.txdot.gov/loop9/segment-c.html)
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1XEjsYNy96OGVeqOuq2_1nKP2yUSJVb0&usp=sharing (https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1XEjsYNy96OGVeqOuq2_1nKP2yUSJVb0&usp=sharing)
Quote from: 05danper42842 on October 23, 2024, 06:59:41 PMBased on new updated satellite imagery that was released this week. Looks like loop 9 Segment C will be much more costly due to housing development growing at a fast rate near US 175. You can use this map link to view the alignment in google maps. Not alot information has been given out about that segment of loop 9. They received a ROD for that segment last year or this year.
https://www.txdot.gov/loop9/segment-c.html (https://www.txdot.gov/loop9/segment-c.html)
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1XEjsYNy96OGVeqOuq2_1nKP2yUSJVb0&usp=sharing (https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1XEjsYNy96OGVeqOuq2_1nKP2yUSJVb0&usp=sharing)
That "Future Road Projects" map is not consistent with the most recent long term planning map.
See page 67 in this document (https://www.nctcog.org/getmedia/3e294f6e-8081-4612-8979-ea83c07494b1/E-Mobility-Options_1.pdf).
The northeast section of the Collin County Outer Loop, between SH 121 and US 380, is not shown in the NCTCOG map. Instead, the east Outer Loop has a northern terminus at the US 380 freeway.
I don't know if the northeast Outer Loop is dead or just temporarily removed, perhaps to keep the 2045 mobility plan "financially constrained".
NEWS FLASH!
As of today, we have Loop 9 shields in the wild at the Loop 9/I-45 interchange!
(https://imgur.com/BsfhC3Z.jpg)
Location of sign: https://maps.app.goo.gl/2JQN2R5Dz9uvyZcZ6
(https://imgur.com/dme6KKt.jpg)
Location of sign: https://maps.app.goo.gl/vQUsqxABMXgobdGt6
It is also signed on BGSs. Given that it looks basically ready, I wouldn't be surprised if it opens very soon. I don't have a picture of this, but if you turn your head to the left at the location of the second picture to look at the accompanying street blade, the street blade seems to suggest that Loop 9 ends at I-45 Business and not at I-45. Here's my horrible attempt to recreate it:
| <== Malloy Bridge Road |
| Loop 9 ==> |
Yes is supposed to end at I-45 Business route. According to the Loop 9 website is supposed to be open to traffic in 2025. I don't know what is holding them back from opening?
Loop 9 Corridor B Phase 1 is now complete and fully open to the public as of today! :clap:
Ending at I-45 Business makes sense since Malloy Bridge Rd already ended there. As someone who used to frequent that road in school buses going to athletic events in Ferris, I'm sure the locals are wanting that to be part of Loop 9 ASAP. It's a very bumpy Dallas County-maintained road.
Quote from: 05danper42842 on January 25, 2025, 05:15:00 PMLoop 9 Corridor B Phase 1 is now complete and fully open to the public as of today! :clap:
Can personally confirm that it is open! The I-35 end is still a mess, but it is completely open.
Is going to be a mess for a couple of years. The mess that is happening there is involved with a project that started a few months ago and is main task is prepare row and realign the road so whenever the next phase of Loop 9 Occurs.
On Google Maps I followed Malloy Bridge Road and its straight-ahead analogues all the way to Forney — but that's not necessarily the way Loop 9 will eventually run.
I get the sense the eastern counties haven't sorted out yet whether the loop will eventually tie into either the PGBT or the multi-county Outer Loop project. Maybe one of you Forneycators can shed some light.
The loop 9 is not meant to connect with the outer loop that connect kaufman,collin is only meant to connect with PGBT East Branch.
This month's TxDOT speed zone minute order places a speed limit of 55 on the open section of Loop 9.
The order applies only to the sections not within the cities of Lancaster or Red Oak. I assume the cities will pass ordinances enacting the same limit on their sections.
In Texas, cities, but not counties, can place speed limits on state highways. A TxDOT minute order overrides a city ordinance if the two are different. Generally, TxDOT will place a speed limit and the city will issue an ordinance enacting the same limit, enabling the municipal court to collect fines for speeding (otherwise speeding goes to the JP court as a state law violation and fine money goes to the county), or TxDOT will decide what limits they want and work with the cities to enact those limits, so that no minute order is needed.
A large new development is underway east of I-45 along the route of the future Loop 9.
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Dallas developer buys 5,200 acres with plan for data centers, thousands of homes
It's one of the largest land deals in recent years. The Dallas developer is planning digital commerce parks and houses.
One of the largest potential development tracts south of Dallas has sold.
Dallas-based developer Cawley Partners closed on the 5,200-acre South Creek Ranch property Friday. The land, near Ferris, is in Dallas and Ellis counties, about 20 miles south of downtown Dallas.
The firm said it plans to build a mixed-use development that could include data centers and thousands of homes. Initial development will focus on 2,000 acres on the property's northern side.
Cawley Partners plans to build a series of "digital commerce parks" near the future Loop 9 highway corridor. The site could include data centers, advanced manufacturing, logistics buildings and other commercial uses. The site could support a more than 1,000-acre corporate campus, the developers said.
Cawley told The Dallas Morning News that as many as 5,000 homes may be built within the development.
Loop 9 Segment C is the only segment that is really behind. No information has been announced on that one and loop 9 has been progressing slowly and demand for a new West to East Grade Separated highway has been increasing too fast due to the new warehouses and housing development. Loop 9 Segment C won't be built probably in a few years since the other segments already almost ready to be built with funding.
One thing you can count on from new roads is new nearby development.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 29, 2025, 02:29:20 PMOne thing you can count on from new roads is new nearby development.
That is for sure. Would be interesting where the alignment end up going through. That segment may be the most expensive out of all due to it may requiring bridge sections near the Trinity River and crossing over US 175 and with the longest segment also. They better start preserving ROW for all of Loop 9 before housing takes over.
Quote from: 05danper42842 on April 29, 2025, 03:13:52 PMQuote from: The Ghostbuster on April 29, 2025, 02:29:20 PMOne thing you can count on from new roads is new nearby development.
That is for sure. Would be interesting where the alignment end up going through. That segment may be the most expensive out of all due to it may requiring bridge sections near the Trinity River and crossing over US 175 and with the longest segment also. They better start preserving ROW for all of Loop 9 before housing takes over.
The first Loop 9 path I saw in the vicinity of US 175 and Seagoville a while back was drawn right through downtown and through the commercial area at the Malloy Bridge exit. Neither of those would work. It was later redrawn around downtown and the Malloy Bridge exit to the east. Since then, a new residential/lagoon project started construction to the east of Roselawn Cemetery. This likely puts any future US 175/Loop 9 interchange closer to the FM 1389-Combine exit. With Loop 9 due to intersect with I-20 at the future I-20/TX 190-Bush Turnpike interchange, it looks as though Loop 9 will take a wide curve between I-45 and I-20.
It will have to cut through the area between the new housing development and the wetlands. I envision it going over FM 1389, then taking a sharp left curve after crossing US 175 to avoid impacting the East Fork Trinity River. Regarding the rerouted alignment near the new homes, it may need to run to the right of FM 1389, parallel to it. There's approximately 320 feet of right-of-way between the road and the wetlands.