It seems that every metro area has one: a freeway built 70 years ago that carries twice or 3 times as much traffic as it was designed for and lacks shoulders or auxiliary lanes making it notorious for accidents. And usually, someone will quip that it is "the world's longest parking lot"
Examples:
Boston: Southeast Expressway
New York: Long Island Expressway
Philadelphia: Schuylkill Expressway
Los Angeles: I-405
London: M25
What are some others?
Twin Cities: Crosstown, And the 2nd most hated, also Crosstown.
DC could be I-66 as it's only 4 lanes
Cincinnati: I-75
Detroit: The Lodge and The Southfield.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 18, 2021, 01:18:16 PM
DC could be I-66 as it's only 4 lanes
*DC 295 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.8772222,-76.9679823,3a,75y,194.62h,88.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTQ_bLftmffxHPdy33hV_Fg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) enters the chat (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9000502,-76.946501,3a,75y,43.52h,84.95t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDLhla36T4evsKJXFGfGqXw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)*
(Not to mention the other belt-shaped elephant in the room) (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9410657,-77.2050709,3a,75y,31.46h,89.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5qg3MiVAtmTf1qjbn2H8Ww!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
CA 99 in Fresno gets a lot complaints regarding the amount of accumulated trash and general brutalist aesthetics.
All of Portland's freeways meet your description.
That said, OR-217 is probably the worst of them. Narrow, only 2 lanes, short onramps creating difficult merging, busy at most hours.
Little Rock: currently I-30. At least the section from I-440 to I-40. I-630 is a close second.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on June 18, 2021, 02:06:49 PM
All of Portland's freeways meet your description.
That said, OR-217 is probably the worst of them. Narrow, only 2 lanes, short onramps creating difficult merging, busy at most hours.
But there has to be one that gets everyone's vitriol.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 18, 2021, 02:37:17 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on June 18, 2021, 02:06:49 PM
All of Portland's freeways meet your description.
That said, OR-217 is probably the worst of them. Narrow, only 2 lanes, short onramps creating difficult merging, busy at most hours.
But there has to be one that gets everyone's vitriol.
Which probably is 217, it is also signed with an extra slow speed limit that is heavily enforced. While the low limits aren't uncommon around Portland it is little absurd for 217 to be so heavily enforced out on the edge of the metro area.
Quote from: jmacswimmer on June 18, 2021, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 18, 2021, 01:18:16 PM
DC could be I-66 as it's only 4 lanes
*DC 295 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.8772222,-76.9679823,3a,75y,194.62h,88.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTQ_bLftmffxHPdy33hV_Fg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) enters the chat (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9000502,-76.946501,3a,75y,43.52h,84.95t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDLhla36T4evsKJXFGfGqXw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)*
(Not to mention the other belt-shaped elephant in the room) (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9410657,-77.2050709,3a,75y,31.46h,89.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5qg3MiVAtmTf1qjbn2H8Ww!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
DC in general has bad traffic. I-66 is more embarrassing than DC 295 in my opinion because I-66 is an interstate.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 18, 2021, 02:43:10 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on June 18, 2021, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 18, 2021, 01:18:16 PM
DC could be I-66 as it's only 4 lanes
*DC 295 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.8772222,-76.9679823,3a,75y,194.62h,88.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTQ_bLftmffxHPdy33hV_Fg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) enters the chat (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9000502,-76.946501,3a,75y,43.52h,84.95t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDLhla36T4evsKJXFGfGqXw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)*
(Not to mention the other belt-shaped elephant in the room) (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9410657,-77.2050709,3a,75y,31.46h,89.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5qg3MiVAtmTf1qjbn2H8Ww!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
DC in general has bad traffic. I-66 is more embarrassing than DC 295 in my opinion because I-66 is an interstate.
The question is not what someone who doesn't live here considers "embarrassing." The thread asks what is the "most hated" highway. It's absolutely not I-66. Part of the reason is that for most of its history, I-66 inside the Beltway carried a peak-direction HOV restriction (now an HO/T restriction) and was thus the rare highway that was congested
except in the peak direction during rush hour.
The Beltway is generally the one about which you hear the most vocal griping throughout the DC area as a whole, though I think if pressed more people might say I-395 in the District (the Southwest—Southeast Freeway) is a worse highway and one they hate driving on more due to the combination of congestion, entrances on both sides in a short distance, aggressive drivers, and lots of crashes. I-295 is pretty bad, but you don't hear it mentioned as often.
Part of the issue, of course, is that people from Maryland don't necessarily drive as much on Virginia's highways on a daily basis and vice versa, but people from both Maryland and Virginia who work downtown do drive on the District's highways on a daily basis.
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 18, 2021, 02:50:18 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 18, 2021, 02:43:10 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on June 18, 2021, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 18, 2021, 01:18:16 PM
DC could be I-66 as it's only 4 lanes
*DC 295 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.8772222,-76.9679823,3a,75y,194.62h,88.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTQ_bLftmffxHPdy33hV_Fg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) enters the chat (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9000502,-76.946501,3a,75y,43.52h,84.95t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDLhla36T4evsKJXFGfGqXw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)*
(Not to mention the other belt-shaped elephant in the room) (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9410657,-77.2050709,3a,75y,31.46h,89.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5qg3MiVAtmTf1qjbn2H8Ww!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
DC in general has bad traffic. I-66 is more embarrassing than DC 295 in my opinion because I-66 is an interstate.
The question is not what someone who doesn't live here considers "embarrassing." The thread asks what is the "most hated" highway. It's absolutely not I-66. Part of the reason is that for most of its history, I-66 inside the Beltway carried a peak-direction HOV restriction (now an HO/T restriction) and was thus the rare highway that was congested except in the peak direction during rush hour.
The Beltway is generally the one about which you hear the most vocal griping throughout the DC area as a whole, though I think if pressed more people might say I-395 in the District (the Southwest—Southeast Freeway) is a worse highway and one they hate driving on more due to the combination of congestion, entrances on both sides in a short distance, aggressive drivers, and lots of crashes. I-295 is pretty bad, but you don't hear it mentioned as often.
Part of the issue, of course, is that people from Maryland don't necessarily drive as much on Virginia's highways on a daily basis and vice versa, but people from both Maryland and Virginia who work downtown do drive on the District's highways on a daily basis.
It is probably the Beltway, it seems like beltways are hating in many cities.
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 18, 2021, 01:33:34 PM
Detroit: The Lodge and The Southfield.
Hardly. In Detroit, the OP's definition of "a freeway built 70 years ago that carries twice or 3 times as much traffic as it was designed for and lacks shoulders or auxiliary lanes making it notorious for accidents" is synonymous with "I-94 Ford Freeway."
Quote from: wanderer2575 on June 18, 2021, 03:04:40 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 18, 2021, 01:33:34 PM
Detroit: The Lodge and The Southfield.
Hardly. In Detroit, the OP's definition of "a freeway built 70 years ago that carries twice or 3 times as much traffic as it was designed for and lacks shoulders or auxiliary lanes making it notorious for accidents" is synonymous with "I-94 Ford Freeway."
Nobody likes commuting on the Lodge, it was by far the most hated freeway when I lived in the area.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 18, 2021, 02:40:03 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 18, 2021, 02:37:17 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on June 18, 2021, 02:06:49 PM
All of Portland's freeways meet your description.
That said, OR-217 is probably the worst of them. Narrow, only 2 lanes, short onramps creating difficult merging, busy at most hours.
But there has to be one that gets everyone's vitriol.
Which probably is 217, it is also signed with an extra slow speed limit that is heavily enforced. While the low limits aren't uncommon around Portland it is little absurd for 217 to be so heavily enforced out on the edge of the metro area.
Plus there are a few exits that are too close together, giving someone merging into the main flow very little time to do so.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 18, 2021, 03:05:52 PM
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Quote from: Flint1979 on June 18, 2021, 01:33:34 PM
Detroit: The Lodge and The Southfield.
Hardly. In Detroit, the OP's definition of "a freeway built 70 years ago that carries twice or 3 times as much traffic as it was designed for and lacks shoulders or auxiliary lanes making it notorious for accidents" is synonymous with "I-94 Ford Freeway."
Nobody likes commuting on the Lodge, it was by far the most hated freeway when I lived in the area.
I don't know why. Other than the long southbound backup (which hasn't existed for the past year) because of the stupid left entrance at the Davison Freeway, it's not at all a bad ride, especially since the 2008/2009 reconstruction of its northern 10 miles. It's no comparison to the narrow, horrendous pavement, no acceleration lanes, permanently littered, "is that wrapped-in-plywood-to-catch-crumbling-concrete bridge going to collapse while I'm stopped underneath it?" experience of the Ford.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on June 18, 2021, 03:17:04 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 18, 2021, 03:05:52 PM
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Quote from: Flint1979 on June 18, 2021, 01:33:34 PM
Detroit: The Lodge and The Southfield.
Hardly. In Detroit, the OP's definition of "a freeway built 70 years ago that carries twice or 3 times as much traffic as it was designed for and lacks shoulders or auxiliary lanes making it notorious for accidents" is synonymous with "I-94 Ford Freeway."
Nobody likes commuting on the Lodge, it was by far the most hated freeway when I lived in the area.
I don't know why. Other than the long southbound backup (which hasn't existed for the past year) because of the stupid left entrance at the Davison Freeway, it's not at all a bad ride, especially since the 2008/2009 reconstruction of its northern 10 miles. It's no comparison to the narrow, horrendous pavement, no acceleration lanes, permanently littered, "is that wrapped-in-plywood-to-catch-crumbling-concrete bridge going to collapse while I'm stopped underneath it?" experience of the Ford.
I was surprised at how improved the Lodge really was when I drove it again in 2019. When I left the area your description of the Edsel Ford also applied equally to the Lodge Freeway if not more so. There seems to be a lot of people that have negative memories of the Lodge that will probably always hate it. The Lodge even now certainly is not a handsome freeway.
Chicago: Basically anything that's not the tollways, but since I have to narrow it down to one choice, I-290.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on June 18, 2021, 03:27:52 PM
Chicago: Basically anything that's not the tollways, but since I have to narrow it down to one choice, I-290.
Pretty much all the expressways are horrid Chicago. At least the Kennedy and Van Ryan have cool views of downtown.
Easily the I-95/I-64 overlap in Richmond.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 18, 2021, 03:21:36 PM
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Quote from: wanderer2575 on June 18, 2021, 03:04:40 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 18, 2021, 01:33:34 PM
Detroit: The Lodge and The Southfield.
Hardly. In Detroit, the OP's definition of "a freeway built 70 years ago that carries twice or 3 times as much traffic as it was designed for and lacks shoulders or auxiliary lanes making it notorious for accidents" is synonymous with "I-94 Ford Freeway."
Nobody likes commuting on the Lodge, it was by far the most hated freeway when I lived in the area.
I don't know why. Other than the long southbound backup (which hasn't existed for the past year) because of the stupid left entrance at the Davison Freeway, it's not at all a bad ride, especially since the 2008/2009 reconstruction of its northern 10 miles. It's no comparison to the narrow, horrendous pavement, no acceleration lanes, permanently littered, "is that wrapped-in-plywood-to-catch-crumbling-concrete bridge going to collapse while I'm stopped underneath it?" experience of the Ford.
I was surprised at how improved the Lodge really was when I drove it again in 2019. When I left the area your description of the Edsel Ford also applied equally to the Lodge Freeway if not more so. There seems to be a lot of people that have negative memories of the Lodge that will probably always hate it. The Lodge even now certainly is not a handsome freeway.
Detroit's population has shrunk considerably over the years.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 18, 2021, 06:14:33 PM
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 18, 2021, 03:05:52 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on June 18, 2021, 03:04:40 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 18, 2021, 01:33:34 PM
Detroit: The Lodge and The Southfield.
Hardly. In Detroit, the OP's definition of "a freeway built 70 years ago that carries twice or 3 times as much traffic as it was designed for and lacks shoulders or auxiliary lanes making it notorious for accidents" is synonymous with "I-94 Ford Freeway."
Nobody likes commuting on the Lodge, it was by far the most hated freeway when I lived in the area.
I don't know why. Other than the long southbound backup (which hasn't existed for the past year) because of the stupid left entrance at the Davison Freeway, it's not at all a bad ride, especially since the 2008/2009 reconstruction of its northern 10 miles. It's no comparison to the narrow, horrendous pavement, no acceleration lanes, permanently littered, "is that wrapped-in-plywood-to-catch-crumbling-concrete bridge going to collapse while I'm stopped underneath it?" experience of the Ford.
I was surprised at how improved the Lodge really was when I drove it again in 2019. When I left the area your description of the Edsel Ford also applied equally to the Lodge Freeway if not more so. There seems to be a lot of people that have negative memories of the Lodge that will probably always hate it. The Lodge even now certainly is not a handsome freeway.
Detroit's population has shrunk considerably over the years.
But that doesn't have much to do with the redesign of the Lodge Freeway, just traffic count and traffic flow. The Lodge was a beat up mess from the 1980s all the way into the early 2000s. It was one of the many poster children highways that culminated in the "Pure Potholes" memes.
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 18, 2021, 02:50:18 PM
The Beltway is generally the one about which you hear the most vocal griping throughout the DC area as a whole, though I think if pressed more people might say I-395 in the District (the Southwest—Southeast Freeway) is a worse highway and one they hate driving on more due to the combination of congestion, entrances on both sides in a short distance, aggressive drivers, and lots of crashes. I-295 is pretty bad, but you don't hear it mentioned as often.
I suspect there's more of an expectation that the Beltway should be free-flowing, and then frustration because it isn't, unlike the freeways closer to and in the district, where, to steal a comment from another thread, the bar is so low it's a tripping hazard. :biggrin:
I've only been to the DC area twice, but from my experience and what I've heard from others, 295 (the Anacostia Freeway) has to be up there. It seems to be a perennial disaster during the AM commute period.
In San Diego, I'd have to say the 805. That, or the 52, specifically the bit near the 163/15 interchange.
For Rochester, I really don't think any of our freeways are "hated", which goes to show how spoiled this area is in terms of traffic congestion. But if pressed, I would nominate the following sections as the most frustrating:
-The four-lane section of I-490 between Exit 25 and 27
-I-490 between Exit 21 and 23 (needs auxiliary lanes)
-Maybe a few others that I will add as I think of them
For Buffalo, I would think it has to be the free section of I-90, especially north of I-190, due to the mixture of local and thru traffic and outdated cloverleaf interchanges at NY 33 and Walden Ave. I am not aware of any major issues with I-190 and I-990, and the issues with I-290 and NY 33 are arguably because of I-90 (in particular, the slowdowns on the south/westbound approaches to I-90).
Quote from: theroadwayone on June 18, 2021, 06:44:51 PM
In San Diego, I'd have to say the 805. That, or the 52, specifically the bit near the 163/15 interchange.
CA 75 gets incredibly frustrating when there is military traffic or a wreck going over the Coronado Bridge.
Does it have to be a freeway, or can it be an expressway? Because COS only has 1 freeway and 1 B/S expressway (Powers Blvd.). Powers Blvd is the most hated road here. Period.
I don't live there, but from visits to Austin, is it a safe assumption that I-35 wins this title?
Quote from: OCGuy81 on June 18, 2021, 07:16:29 PM
I don't live there, but from visits to Austin, is it a safe assumption that I-35 wins this title?
Probably
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 18, 2021, 03:29:28 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on June 18, 2021, 03:27:52 PM
Chicago: Basically anything that's not the tollways, but since I have to narrow it down to one choice, I-290.
Pretty much all the expressways are horrid Chicago. At least the Kennedy and Van Ryan have cool views of downtown.
90/94 was improved greatly over what it was like when I was a kid.
Madison: Beltline
Milwaukee: I-43 between WI-145 and Silver Spring Drive
Quote from: kernals12 on June 18, 2021, 06:14:33 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 18, 2021, 03:21:36 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on June 18, 2021, 03:17:04 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 18, 2021, 03:05:52 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on June 18, 2021, 03:04:40 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 18, 2021, 01:33:34 PM
Detroit: The Lodge and The Southfield.
Hardly. In Detroit, the OP's definition of "a freeway built 70 years ago that carries twice or 3 times as much traffic as it was designed for and lacks shoulders or auxiliary lanes making it notorious for accidents" is synonymous with "I-94 Ford Freeway."
Nobody likes commuting on the Lodge, it was by far the most hated freeway when I lived in the area.
I don't know why. Other than the long southbound backup (which hasn't existed for the past year) because of the stupid left entrance at the Davison Freeway, it's not at all a bad ride, especially since the 2008/2009 reconstruction of its northern 10 miles. It's no comparison to the narrow, horrendous pavement, no acceleration lanes, permanently littered, "is that wrapped-in-plywood-to-catch-crumbling-concrete bridge going to collapse while I'm stopped underneath it?" experience of the Ford.
I was surprised at how improved the Lodge really was when I drove it again in 2019. When I left the area your description of the Edsel Ford also applied equally to the Lodge Freeway if not more so. There seems to be a lot of people that have negative memories of the Lodge that will probably always hate it. The Lodge even now certainly is not a handsome freeway.
Detroit's population has shrunk considerably over the years.
Detroit has had roughly the same Metro population (right around 4 million) for quite a few decades. Plus the north end of the Lodge is in Oakland County which is at it's peak population as well as Macomb County. It's just Detroit and Wayne County losing population pretty much. Some of Oakland and Macomb is like Southfield and Warren but it's mostly stable with population north of 14 Mile.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on June 18, 2021, 07:16:29 PM
I don't live there, but from visits to Austin, is it a safe assumption that I-35 wins this title?
Yes. Horrendous traffic all day on a summer Saturday when I visited in 2019. Even really busy at 9 PM at night.
Houston would likely be the Pierce Elevated.
Baton Rouge would be I-10 between I-110 and I-12.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on June 18, 2021, 07:16:29 PM
I don't live there, but from visits to Austin, is it a safe assumption that I-35 wins this title?
Yep. and its ALWAYS UNDER CONSTRUCTION!!!
Quote from: kernals12 on June 18, 2021, 01:13:15 PM
It seems that every metro area has one: a freeway built 70 years ago that carries twice or 3 times as much traffic as it was designed for and lacks shoulders or auxiliary lanes making it notorious for accidents. And usually, someone will quip that it is "the world's longest parking lot"
Examples:
Boston: Southeast Expressway
New York: Long Island Expressway
Philadelphia: Schuylkill Expressway
Los Angeles: I-405
London: M25
What are some others?
Phoenix: I-10 (it can be a parking lot from the Loop 202 / AZ 51 interchange to 59th Ave). Interestingly it's not that old but they're aren't a lot of great freeway alternatives for most of the traffic flows it carries.
Here in Seattle, it would be WA 99, especially when the double-decker Alaskan Way freeway was still standing. Also, I-5 would most certainly qualify, but the upside is the awesome views of downtown and Mt. Rainier in the distance.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 18, 2021, 01:13:15 PM
New York: Long Island Expressway
Are you sure about this? For example the Cross Bronx Expressway always seems to be heavily congested.
Quote from: thspfc on June 18, 2021, 09:54:13 PM
Madison: Beltline
Out of all the wide range of choices Madison has to offer for freeways, I'm shocked. :D
Quote from: Henry on June 18, 2021, 10:42:46 PM
Here in Seattle, it would be WA 99, especially when the double-decker Alaskan Way freeway was still standing. Also, I-5 would most certainly qualify, but the upside is the awesome views of downtown and Mt. Rainier in the distance.
Personally I always found I-5 worse given by large margin considering how many people tried to avoid the Viaduct. Usually I wouldn't hit traffic on 99 until the Viaduct and it would disappear on both ends of downtown.
I-15 would be the obvious choice for Salt Lake. You can pretty much count on congestion in the southern Salt Lake Valley at most times of the day - in both directions.
San Francisco I-80@US-101 James Lick freeway has to be hated due to both Financial District traffic and Bay Bridge traffic.
Oakland I-880 due to Port of Oakland Traffic and Toll Traffic on the Bay Bridge with I-80 Eastshore fwy.
For Baltimore, it'll have to be I-695, our beltway. It feels like the southwest end has been under construction since I was a kid, about 25 years.
Quote from: PastTense on June 18, 2021, 11:07:07 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 18, 2021, 01:13:15 PM
New York: Long Island Expressway
Are you sure about this? For example the Cross Bronx Expressway always seems to be heavily congested.
A lot of New Yorkers don't use the Cross Bronx. It's mostly thru traffic and trucks that are inconvenienced.
Quote from: PastTense on June 18, 2021, 11:07:07 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 18, 2021, 01:13:15 PM
New York: Long Island Expressway
Are you sure about this? For example the Cross Bronx Expressway always seems to be heavily congested.
Yeah, I'm more inclined to go with the BQE, which is ALWAYS terrible.
DC area... I-95 southbound approaching the Occoquan River has to be a runner up... notoriously long backups caused simply due to a poor location to drop the 4th lane.
Quote from: PastTense on June 18, 2021, 11:07:07 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 18, 2021, 01:13:15 PM
New York: Long Island Expressway
Are you sure about this? For example the Cross Bronx Expressway always seems to be heavily congested.
The LIE certainly qualifies as a road people in that area call "the world's longest parking lot," per what the OP mentioned.
i nominate denver's i-270.
i have sort of a love/hate relationship with this road. it's handy, since a lot of my denver friends live on the east/northeast side of town and its handy to get to them via that road...
that being said.. it's beat to all hell, frequently congested, and just a hot mess. like, it gets no respect for being what it is.
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Madison: Beltline
Out of all the wide range of choices Madison has to offer for freeways, I'm shocked. :D
Yeah, it's an obvious pick. The only other freeways in Madison proper are I-39/90/94, WI-30, and a sliver of US-151.
I-195 in Providence.
Quote from: Rothman on June 18, 2021, 09:35:09 PM
90/94 was improved greatly over what it was like when I was a kid.
It still needs the cluster north of I-290 fixed, or at least some sort of express lane/bypass option through there.
But I agree with I-290 being worst. First there's the delays from the ramp to the SB Tri-State which will be fixed in a few years but seem to have gotten worse lately as they now seem to be starting at York Road. Then there's the perpetual delay east of US 12/20/45/Mannheim Road. It used to open up east of Austin where the fourth lane starts but sometimes there would be another slow spot approaching I-90/I-94, maybe before the start of construction at that interchange.
Indianapolis: Easy, I-465!
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Quote from: OCGuy81 on June 18, 2021, 07:16:29 PM
I don't live there, but from visits to Austin, is it a safe assumption that I-35 wins this title?
Yes. Horrendous traffic all day on a summer Saturday when I visited in 2019. Even really busy at 9 PM at night.
Houston would likely be the Pierce Elevated.
Baton Rouge would be I-10 between I-110 and I-12.
35 is the easy winner for Austin. Houston's the West Loop, not the Pierce Elevated. Dallas historically was the Central Expressway, then LBJ north, but both are fairly good now after their respective reconstructions. I'm not sure what the winner now is.
Quote from: TXtoNJ on June 20, 2021, 07:03:51 PMDallas historically was the Central Expressway, then LBJ north, but both are fairly good now after their respective reconstructions. I'm not sure what the winner now is.
I-345, but for a different reason
I-77's toll lane segment in the Charlotte metro now, probably. Every time I drive on it I want to melt down the toll camera gantries with thermite.
Quote from: index on June 20, 2021, 08:07:49 PM
I-77's toll lane segment in the Charlotte metro now, probably. Every time I drive on it I want to melt down the toll camera gantries with thermite.
I drove down I-77 in Charlotte about 3 weeks ago, and the toll lanes look like that 2 of the past 4 general use lanes got taken out and rebranded to be monetized. I didn't know doing that is allowed now. Traffic on the 2 general lanes were pretty bad, and there were almost no one on the toll lanes, probably because of the almost $3 toll to use it for about 3-5 miles. There is a free for 2+ passengers option (we were driving with 4), but only on certain E-ZPass transponders, but our Ohio's is not included in the list (probably because of the lack of HOT lanes in the state). The most unusual part is that our GPS wants us to use the toll lanes unless we check the "no tolls" option, which would also eliminate the WV turnpike from our routing.
I-4 in Orlando, it's the worlds fastest parking lot. Used to work over by the interchange of I-4 with John Young Parkway and commute from the Space Coast. There's nothing like getting on the on-ramp that afternoon to head home and see traffic moving at 15 miles and hour in both directions. There were days it would get so bad I would take the Turnpike to the Beachline to keep from crawling down I-4 to the Beachline. (Shivers).
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Quote from: index on June 20, 2021, 08:07:49 PM
I-77's toll lane segment in the Charlotte metro now, probably. Every time I drive on it I want to melt down the toll camera gantries with thermite.
I drove down I-77 in Charlotte about 3 weeks ago, and the toll lanes look like that 2 of the past 4 general use lanes got taken out and rebranded to be monetized. I didn't know doing that is allowed now. Traffic on the 2 general lanes were pretty bad, and there were almost no one on the toll lanes, probably because of the almost $3 toll to use it for about 3-5 miles. There is a free for 2+ passengers option (we were driving with 4), but only on certain E-ZPass transponders, but our Ohio's is not included in the list (probably because of the lack of HOT lanes in the state). The most unusual part is that our GPS wants us to use the toll lanes unless we check the "no tolls" option, which would also eliminate the WV turnpike from our routing.
No, I-77 was only 4 lanes before that project. The project added two HO/T lanes in each direction.
Agreed though, they should have expanded the highway to 8 general purpose lanes like they did I-85 north of the city, all the way to Lexington, not the HO/T lanes. They're a joke that quite literally are "Lexus lanes" .
I took I-77 through Charlotte at the end of April and got caught in traffic going northbound I think I remember seeing what you guys are talking about though.
Here in the South Bay/San Jose area, it would have to be a virtual tie between US 101 from about McKee Road north all the way into Mountain View simply due to traffic backing up for no particular reason, even during off-peak hours, and I-280 from US 101 to I-880/CA 17 due to the inexplicable method (or lack thereof) of adding, dropping, or just forgetting to mark lanes in areas where there are multiple exits and entrances. Dishonorable mention: I-880 from North First Street north to CA 237; this includes the infamous 101/880 quasi-cloverleaf. As with 101, can bunch up at any time without warning. Other freeways may incite similar levels of vitriol (like CA 17 "over the hill") but most of those have been internalized by the users; its the ones where you're tooling along during mid-day only to come across a windshield full of red brake lights that draw the most sheer hatred!
In Atlanta, I guess I-285 attracts the most vitriol, but I-85 between 285 and 316 is now congested for much of the day, especially southbound, in addition to suffering from severe peak-hour congestion.
Then again, the Downtown Connector has been like that for a long time.
North Carolina's would have to be the 77 toll lanes as mentioned earlier, and I nominate I-277 and I-40 in the Statesville vicinity
Greensboro - Death Valley.
Here in NH, probably I-93 from the Hooksett tolls through Concord.
Quote from: Tom958 on June 21, 2021, 05:54:24 AM
In Atlanta, I guess I-285 attracts the most vitriol, but I-85 between 285 and 316 is now congested for much of the day, especially southbound, in addition to suffering from severe peak-hour congestion.
Then again, the Downtown Connector has been like that for a long time.
At least with the Connector you know what you're getting into. That part of 85 is reliably congested but doesn't really seem like it should be, since it seems none of the other freeways coming out of Atlanta get half as bad when they cross the Perimeter.
The problem with 285 is it's an all-or-nothing freeway at least in my experience. Most of the time you zoom along at 70+ mph, but if there's a crash (as there often is) you're going 0, with no real in between.
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I don't live there, but from visits to Austin, is it a safe assumption that I-35 wins this title?
Yes. Horrendous traffic all day on a summer Saturday when I visited in 2019. Even really busy at 9 PM at night.
Houston would likely be the Pierce Elevated.
Baton Rouge would be I-10 between I-110 and I-12.
35 is the easy winner for Austin. Houston's the West Loop, not the Pierce Elevated. Dallas historically was the Central Expressway, then LBJ north, but both are fairly good now after their respective reconstructions. I'm not sure what the winner now is.
I'd argue that I-45 is the most hated highway in Houston, though the West loop (and 288 and 290) are up there.
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on June 20, 2021, 04:56:02 PM
Indianapolis: Easy, I-465!
No, the winner is I-465 with three lanes closed. I-465 by itself isn't terrible.
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I don't live there, but from visits to Austin, is it a safe assumption that I-35 wins this title?
Yes. Horrendous traffic all day on a summer Saturday when I visited in 2019. Even really busy at 9 PM at night.
Houston would likely be the Pierce Elevated.
Baton Rouge would be I-10 between I-110 and I-12.
35 is the easy winner for Austin. Houston's the West Loop, not the Pierce Elevated. Dallas historically was the Central Expressway, then LBJ north, but both are fairly good now after their respective reconstructions. I'm not sure what the winner now is.
I'd argue that I-45 is the most hated highway in Houston, though the West loop (and 288 and 290) are up there.
I think 290 used to be the most hated along with the west loop. But 290 isn't as bad since most of the reconstruction is done. Though I haven't been out that way in a long time (I live in east end). I think some people do hate 45, especially the pierce but I've always liked it.
Who hates 288?
Personally, I hate the west loop, never liked 290, and always forget about 225 and 146. I like 45 and 69/59
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I don't live there, but from visits to Austin, is it a safe assumption that I-35 wins this title?
Yes. Horrendous traffic all day on a summer Saturday when I visited in 2019. Even really busy at 9 PM at night.
Houston would likely be the Pierce Elevated.
Baton Rouge would be I-10 between I-110 and I-12.
35 is the easy winner for Austin. Houston's the West Loop, not the Pierce Elevated. Dallas historically was the Central Expressway, then LBJ north, but both are fairly good now after their respective reconstructions. I'm not sure what the winner now is.
I'd argue that I-45 is the most hated highway in Houston, though the West loop (and 288 and 290) are up there.
I think 290 used to be the most hated along with the west loop. But 290 isn't as bad since most of the reconstruction is done. Though I haven't been out that way in a long time (I live in east end). I think some people do hate 45, especially the pierce but I've always liked it.
Who hates 288?
Personally, I hate the west loop, never liked 290, and always forget about 225 and 146. I like 45 and 69/59
288's not bad. I hardly have troubles with it. I picked I-45 because it is always congested. I've heard the worst about 290 but the construction's done. Never heard anything good or bad about the West loop.
Quote from: US 89 on June 21, 2021, 02:08:33 PM
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In Atlanta, I guess I-285 attracts the most vitriol, but I-85 between 285 and 316 is now congested for much of the day, especially southbound, in addition to suffering from severe peak-hour congestion.
Then again, the Downtown Connector has been like that for a long time.
At least with the Connector you know what you're getting into. That part of 85 is reliably congested but doesn't really seem like it should be, since it seems none of the other freeways coming out of Atlanta get half as bad when they cross the Perimeter.
The problem with 285 is it's an all-or-nothing freeway at least in my experience. Most of the time you zoom along at 70+ mph, but if there's a crash (as there often is) you're going 0, with no real in between.
I've been through Atlanta a few times, and based on my experiences there, I often call it the Los Angeles of the South, mainly because in terms of congestion its freeways are just as bad, if not worse. Of course, it's a lot smaller than L.A., but still a huge metro area in and of itself. Earlier in the thread someone mentioned that I-405 is the worst freeway in L.A., so I guess that I-285 is the Atlanta version of it (in more ways than one).
Quote from: webny99 on June 18, 2021, 06:47:32 PM
For Rochester, I really don't think any of our freeways are "hated", which goes to show how spoiled this area is in terms of traffic congestion. But if pressed, I would nominate the following sections as the most frustrating:
-The four-lane section of I-490 between Exit 25 and 27
-I-490 between Exit 21 and 23 (needs auxiliary lanes)
-Maybe a few others that I will add as I think of them
For Buffalo, I would think it has to be the free section of I-90, especially north of I-190, due to the mixture of local and thru traffic and outdated cloverleaf interchanges at NY 33 and Walden Ave. I am not aware of any major issues with I-190 and I-990, and the issues with I-290 and NY 33 are arguably because of I-90 (in particular, the slowdowns on the south/westbound approaches to I-90).
NY-198? Not because of traffic but because of the pure frastration.
I-24 between Murfreesboro and Nashville during commuter traffic is the most hated freeway in the Nashville area.
Quote from: Henry on June 24, 2021, 11:22:56 AM
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Quote from: Tom958 on June 21, 2021, 05:54:24 AM
In Atlanta, I guess I-285 attracts the most vitriol, but I-85 between 285 and 316 is now congested for much of the day, especially southbound, in addition to suffering from severe peak-hour congestion.
Then again, the Downtown Connector has been like that for a long time.
At least with the Connector you know what you're getting into. That part of 85 is reliably congested but doesn't really seem like it should be, since it seems none of the other freeways coming out of Atlanta get half as bad when they cross the Perimeter.
The problem with 285 is it's an all-or-nothing freeway at least in my experience. Most of the time you zoom along at 70+ mph, but if there's a crash (as there often is) you're going 0, with no real in between.
I've been through Atlanta a few times, and based on my experiences there, I often call it the Los Angeles of the South, mainly because in terms of congestion its freeways are just as bad, if not worse. Of course, it's a lot smaller than L.A., but still a huge metro area in and of itself. Earlier in the thread someone mentioned that I-405 is the worst freeway in L.A., so I guess that I-285 is the Atlanta version of it (in more ways than one).
Atlanta is indeed no picnic to drive through. I've for years been trying to find a legit bypass of it but haven't come up with much. Last time I had to drive back from Florida I took I-95 up to I-26 then up to I-77, to I-64 to US-35 to US-23 to OH-315 back to US-23 then up OH-15 back to I-75 so I bypassed Atlanta and Cincinnati but driving on I-26 in South Carolina sucked big time. Driving on some of I-95 in Florida, Georgia and South Carolina sucked too. I think once I got north of Charlotte I was fine and spent the night in Statesville.
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on June 19, 2021, 09:51:31 AM
i nominate denver's i-270.
i have sort of a love/hate relationship with this road. it's handy, since a lot of my denver friends live on the east/northeast side of town and its handy to get to them via that road...
that being said.. it's beat to all hell, frequently congested, and just a hot mess. like, it gets no respect for being what it is.
While I definitely think I-270 is the worst highway around, I'd say for the Denver metro area in general, people probably hate I-25 the most on weekdays and I-70 on weekends (and the I-70 part is Colorado as a whole, not necessarily the stretch through the Denver area). Not enough people drive I-270 in the metro area comparatively to make it most hated.
Chris
Agreed with the Surekill for Philadelphia, I-695 for Baltimore, I-95/I-64 overlap for Richmond, LIE for NYC and I-285 for Atlanta.
Hampton Roads: easily I-64 because of the HRBT.
Pittsburgh: I-376, both Parkway East & West. I have witnessed some pretty intense road rage there.
Charlotte: I'm pretty sure the locals feel that the entire stretch of I-77 from SC to Mooresville sucks.
Quote from: plain on June 29, 2021, 01:20:29 PM
Hampton Roads: easily I-64 because of the HRBT.
Can't disagree there. Outside of water crossings, these are my two candidates - I-264 between I-64 and Independence Blvd (daily congestion, heavy traffic volumes overall, things usually are smooth east of there) and I-64 between Greenbrier Pkwy and Bowers Hill (Oak Grove Interchange bottleneck, High Rise Bridge, the whole corridor to Bowers Hill - also the construction that has been ongoing for something like 4 years now that is dragging at a snails pace does not make anything better).
A few of mine.
Washington DC I-95
Baltimore I-70
Philadelphia I-76
Quote from: HighwayStar on June 29, 2021, 07:38:56 PM
Washington DC I-95
Baltimore I-70
Neither of those highways enter those cities :bigass:
Quote from: HighwayStar on June 29, 2021, 07:38:56 PM
A few of mine.
Washington DC I-95
Baltimore I-70
Philadelphia I-76
I get I-76 through Philly, but could it be that the first two examples are listed because their segments through their respective cities never got a chance to be built?
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Quote from: HighwayStar on June 29, 2021, 07:38:56 PM
A few of mine.
Washington DC I-95
Baltimore I-70
Philadelphia I-76
I get I-76 through Philly, but could it be that the first two examples are listed because their segments through their respective cities never got a chance to be built?
I do not want to revive the whole festering issue here, but :nod:
(also really is the case with I-76, since the other side of the Schuylkill river was supposed to have a freeway as well)
^ After all, there's a reason why it's sometimes called the "Surekill Expressway" :bigass:
Quote from: HighwayStar on June 29, 2021, 07:38:56 PM
A few of mine.
Washington DC I-95
Baltimore I-70
Philadelphia I-76
How do you figure Baltimore is I-70?
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Quote from: HighwayStar on June 29, 2021, 07:57:40 PM
Quote from: Henry on June 29, 2021, 07:42:40 PMcould it be that the first two examples are listed because their segments through their respective cities never got a chance to be built?
I do not want to revive the whole festering issue here, but :nod:
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 30, 2021, 12:27:23 AM
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Quote from: HighwayStar on June 29, 2021, 07:57:40 PM
Quote from: Henry on June 29, 2021, 07:42:40 PMcould it be that the first two examples are listed because their segments through their respective cities never got a chance to be built?
I do not want to revive the whole festering issue here, but :nod:
But how can I-70 in Baltimore be hated if it was never built?
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Quote from: HighwayStar on June 29, 2021, 07:57:40 PM
Quote from: Henry on June 29, 2021, 07:42:40 PMcould it be that the first two examples are listed because their segments through their respective cities never got a chance to be built?
I do not want to revive the whole festering issue here, but :nod:
But how can I-70 in Baltimore be hated if it was never built?
Sounds like one of those tree in the forest questions.
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Quote from: Henry on June 29, 2021, 07:42:40 PMcould it be that the first two examples are listed because their segments through their respective cities never got a chance to be built?
I do not want to revive the whole festering issue here, but :nod:
But how can I-70 in Baltimore be hated if it was never built?
Sounds like one of those tree in the forest questions.
I mean, the park & ride is surrounded by trees in the forest (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3011481,-76.7114849,3a,75y,93.42h,89.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfbxnX1_AT3NFxUE7RMALgQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) :awesomeface:
I'm pretty sure that I-70 isn't the most hated freeway in Baltimore.
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 30, 2021, 08:39:54 AM
I'm pretty sure that I-70 isn't the most hated freeway in Baltimore.
It definitely isn't (the parts that are built, anyway) - aside from congestion in the 4-lane stretch between exits 82 & 87 and then at exit 91 itself, the stretch between Frederick & Baltimore
Beltway moves pretty well even at rush hour (much unlike I-270 between Frederick & Washington
Beltway).
plain nominated I-695 for this prestigious honor upthread and I agree, with maybe I-83/JFX in 2nd. Somewhat to
HighwayStar's point, however: I-695 probably wouldn't be as hated as much as it is if I-70 (& I-83 too, for that matter) had been fully built out - The stretch thru Catonsville in particular suffers for this (although the new 4th lane on the Outer Loop finally opened a month & a half ago). So, you could say that I-695 gets some added hate for something it had nothing to do with: I-70's shortcomings :-D (not unlike I-495 for I-95 in DC & MA 128 for I-95 in Boston...)
Anyway, all that said I'm sure I-695 would still be the most hated freeway even with a fully built I-70, but maybe just not quite as much ;-) (I'd definitely hate the 70 EB-695 NB ramp a lot less...)
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Quote from: HighwayStar on June 29, 2021, 07:57:40 PM
Quote from: Henry on June 29, 2021, 07:42:40 PMcould it be that the first two examples are listed because their segments through their respective cities never got a chance to be built?
I do not want to revive the whole festering issue here, but :nod:
But how can I-70 in Baltimore be hated if it was never built?
Sounds like one of those tree in the forest questions.
I mean, the park & ride is surrounded by trees in the forest (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3011481,-76.7114849,3a,75y,93.42h,89.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfbxnX1_AT3NFxUE7RMALgQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) :awesomeface:
True, I guess the park and ride is what I hate most, it reeks of mediocrity and unfulfilled dreams.
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Quote from: HighwayStar on June 29, 2021, 07:57:40 PM
Quote from: Henry on June 29, 2021, 07:42:40 PMcould it be that the first two examples are listed because their segments through their respective cities never got a chance to be built?
I do not want to revive the whole festering issue here, but :nod:
But how can I-70 in Baltimore be hated if it was never built?
Sounds like one of those tree in the forest questions.
I mean, the park & ride is surrounded by trees in the forest (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3011481,-76.7114849,3a,75y,93.42h,89.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfbxnX1_AT3NFxUE7RMALgQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) :awesomeface:
True, I guess the park and ride is what I hate most, it reeks of mediocrity and unfulfilled dreams.
That doesn't have to do with if the residents hate it or not.
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Quote from: HighwayStar on June 29, 2021, 07:57:40 PM
Quote from: Henry on June 29, 2021, 07:42:40 PMcould it be that the first two examples are listed because their segments through their respective cities never got a chance to be built?
I do not want to revive the whole festering issue here, but :nod:
But how can I-70 in Baltimore be hated if it was never built?
Sounds like one of those tree in the forest questions.
I mean, the park & ride is surrounded by trees in the forest (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3011481,-76.7114849,3a,75y,93.42h,89.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfbxnX1_AT3NFxUE7RMALgQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) :awesomeface:
True, I guess the park and ride is what I hate most, it reeks of mediocrity and unfulfilled dreams.
That doesn't have to do with if the residents hate it or not.
Not sure that the original post required residency status, but rest assured if I lived in Baltimore that would be my most hated freeway (or lack thereof). I have lived in both Philly and DC at one time or another so I can claim residency on those if required.
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Quote from: HighwayStar on June 29, 2021, 07:57:40 PM
Quote from: Henry on June 29, 2021, 07:42:40 PMcould it be that the first two examples are listed because their segments through their respective cities never got a chance to be built?
I do not want to revive the whole festering issue here, but :nod:
But how can I-70 in Baltimore be hated if it was never built?
Sounds like one of those tree in the forest questions.
I mean, the park & ride is surrounded by trees in the forest (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3011481,-76.7114849,3a,75y,93.42h,89.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfbxnX1_AT3NFxUE7RMALgQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) :awesomeface:
True, I guess the park and ride is what I hate most, it reeks of mediocrity and unfulfilled dreams.
That doesn't have to do with if the residents hate it or not.
Not sure that the original post required residency status, but rest assured if I lived in Baltimore that would be my most hated freeway (or lack thereof). I have lived in both Philly and DC at one time or another so I can claim residency on those if required.
Not sure either, but I think that the intention of the thread was what freeway do residents hate most. I posted about I-66 in NOVA being "embarrassing" and was told that that was not the intention of this thread.
Sacramento area it's US-50 @ CA-99/ CA-51 interchange and I-5 @ US-50 interchange due to downtown traffic.
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Madison: Beltline
Out of all the wide range of choices Madison has to offer for freeways, I'm shocked. :D
Yeah, it's an obvious pick. The only other freeways in Madison proper are I-39/90/94, WI-30, and a sliver of US-151.
Don't forget Campus Dr :-D
When I was in St Louis, the most hated freeway was I-270, I-64, or the PSB depending on your commute. The winner would probably be 270 because of the sheer number of choke points between the New Chain of Rocks Bridge and the I-55/270 interchange in So County.
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Madison: Beltline
Out of all the wide range of choices Madison has to offer for freeways, I'm shocked. :D
Yeah, it's an obvious pick. The only other freeways in Madison proper are I-39/90/94, WI-30, and a sliver of US-151.
Don't forget Campus Dr :-D
Ah yes. How could I forget?
Quote from: JoePCool14 on June 18, 2021, 03:27:52 PM
Chicago: Basically anything that's not the tollways, but since I have to narrow it down to one choice, I-290.
I'll second that. The Eisenhower is a piss-poor excuse for a freeway.
I nominate former I-170 (now US 40) for Baltimore.
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Quote from: JoePCool14 on June 18, 2021, 03:27:52 PM
Chicago: Basically anything that's not the tollways, but since I have to narrow it down to one choice, I-290.
I'll second that. The Eisenhower is a piss-poor excuse for a freeway.
I agree. Last time I had to drive on it I got stuck behind some lady doing 43 mph and no one was in front of her. I flicked her off because let's face it your doing 43 mph and your in the middle lane of the Eisenhower Expressway?
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Quote from: HighwayStar on June 29, 2021, 07:57:40 PM
Quote from: Henry on June 29, 2021, 07:42:40 PMcould it be that the first two examples are listed because their segments through their respective cities never got a chance to be built?
I do not want to revive the whole festering issue here, but :nod:
But how can I-70 in Baltimore be hated if it was never built?
Sounds like one of those tree in the forest questions.
I mean, the park & ride is surrounded by trees in the forest (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3011481,-76.7114849,3a,75y,93.42h,89.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfbxnX1_AT3NFxUE7RMALgQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) :awesomeface:
True, I guess the park and ride is what I hate most, it reeks of mediocrity and unfulfilled dreams.
That doesn't have to do with if the residents hate it or not.
Not sure that the original post required residency status, but rest assured if I lived in Baltimore that would be my most hated freeway (or lack thereof). I have lived in both Philly and DC at one time or another so I can claim residency on those if required.
Just hate all the Baltimore freeways (or lack thereof). Works for me! :)
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Quote from: Henry on June 29, 2021, 07:42:40 PMcould it be that the first two examples are listed because their segments through their respective cities never got a chance to be built?
I do not want to revive the whole festering issue here, but :nod:
But how can I-70 in Baltimore be hated if it was never built?
Sounds like one of those tree in the forest questions.
I mean, the park & ride is surrounded by trees in the forest (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3011481,-76.7114849,3a,75y,93.42h,89.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfbxnX1_AT3NFxUE7RMALgQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) :awesomeface:
True, I guess the park and ride is what I hate most, it reeks of mediocrity and unfulfilled dreams.
A park and ride isn't going to make people hate a freeway. What a stupid reason to hate a freeway. I-83 is probably more hated in Baltimore.
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Quote from: Henry on June 29, 2021, 07:42:40 PMcould it be that the first two examples are listed because their segments through their respective cities never got a chance to be built?
I do not want to revive the whole festering issue here, but :nod:
But how can I-70 in Baltimore be hated if it was never built?
Sounds like one of those tree in the forest questions.
I mean, the park & ride is surrounded by trees in the forest (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3011481,-76.7114849,3a,75y,93.42h,89.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfbxnX1_AT3NFxUE7RMALgQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) :awesomeface:
True, I guess the park and ride is what I hate most, it reeks of mediocrity and unfulfilled dreams.
A park and ride isn't going to make people hate a freeway. What a stupid reason to hate a freeway. I-83 is probably more hated in Baltimore.
When that park and ride is the sorry excuse substitute for the freeway, and you have to park your nice Town Car at it every day and ride into town on a bus with someone on your left on their cell phone, someone on your right clipping their nails, and the guy across from you with such potent BO that your eyes water you will be hating that park and ride and the lack of a freeway which prevented you from driving in the comfort and peace of your own vehicle.
^ You ever heard of I-695 and I-95? It only adds about 1 more mile than a completed I-70 would've taken. It takes just around the same time a completed I-70 would've taken. There's even a high speed flyover on the I-695 to I-95 movement to keep you moving at speed. Signs for Baltimore are signed on I-70 west of the Beltway telling you to use I-695 to I-95. You should try it.
That's what cracks me up about this whole argument...sure, I wish I-70 was fully completed to I-95 like every other roadgeek, but I-695/I-95 at least get the job done in I-70's absence. HighwayStar acts like every single commuter from Frederick and the overall I-70 corridor drive right up to the park & ride and either wait for a bus (and FWIW, the closest stop is over on Cooks Lane) or pound their fists angrily and turn around unsuccessful. Golly, maybe tomorrow I-70 will be magically completed and I can finally get to work! :pan:
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That's what cracks me up about this whole argument...sure, I wish I-70 was fully completed to I-95 like every other roadgeek, but I-695/I-95 at least get the job done in I-70's absence. HighwayStar acts like every single commuter from Frederick and the overall I-70 corridor drive right up to the park & ride and either wait for a bus (and FWIW, the closest stop is over on Cooks Lane) or pound their fists angrily and turn around unsuccessful. Golly, maybe tomorrow I-70 will be magically completed and I can finally get to work! :pan:
"but I-695/I-95 at least get the job done in I-70's absence" that is false. If that were the case, then I-70 never would have been designed to go to Baltimore in the first place. But as anyone who drives there knows, I-695 is a mess, and hardly a real fix for the problem.
"maybe tomorrow I-70 will be magically completed and I can finally get to work!"
Nothing magic about it my friend, it will take time, lobbying, coalition building, and someone that can shrewdly manipulate the system to do his bidding.
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"but I-695/I-95 at least get the job done in I-70's absence" that is false. If that were the case, then I-70 never would have been designed to go to Baltimore in the first place. But as anyone who drives there knows, I-695 is a mess, and hardly a real fix for the problem.
I never said it was the intended solution, I said it
at least gets the job done. As someone who does drives there & does know, yes I-695 is indeed a mess. But combined with I-95, it does still serve as a way to downtown in the absence of I-70....without I-695, the problem would be far worse and Frederick commuters would actually have to use back roads beyond the park & ride like you seem to be insinuating.
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"maybe tomorrow I-70 will be magically completed and I can finally get to work!"
Nothing magic about it my friend, it will take time, lobbying, coalition building, and someone that can shrewdly manipulate the system to do his bidding.
You did realize I was being sarcastic, right? I'm aware of how road projects work...and in the case of this one, I don't believe it will ever happen (which does sadden the roadgeek in me, yes, but the realist in me knows to be the most likely outcome).
Finally, the no-response towards the main point of that post is dully noted. :clap:
Poughkeepsie, NY: US 9 because of the "bowtie" interchange between US 9 and US 44/NY 55 at the Mid-Hudson Bridge:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7027062,-73.9365622,18.25z
I once asked for the accident rate from NYSDOT it was something like 10.xx
As for NYC, I'd say the BQE. It's always backed up and it doesn't even remotely meet interstate standards so it can be nerve-wracking.
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Detroit: The Lodge and The Southfield.
Hardly. In Detroit, the OP's definition of "a freeway built 70 years ago that carries twice or 3 times as much traffic as it was designed for and lacks shoulders or auxiliary lanes making it notorious for accidents" is synonymous with "I-94 Ford Freeway."
Nobody likes commuting on the Lodge, it was by far the most hated freeway when I lived in the area.
I don't know why. Other than the long southbound backup (which hasn't existed for the past year) because of the stupid left entrance at the Davison Freeway, it's not at all a bad ride, especially since the 2008/2009 reconstruction of its northern 10 miles. It's no comparison to the narrow, horrendous pavement, no acceleration lanes, permanently littered, "is that wrapped-in-plywood-to-catch-crumbling-concrete bridge going to collapse while I'm stopped underneath it?" experience of the Ford.
I was surprised at how improved the Lodge really was when I drove it again in 2019. When I left the area your description of the Edsel Ford also applied equally to the Lodge Freeway if not more so. There seems to be a lot of people that have negative memories of the Lodge that will probably always hate it. The Lodge even now certainly is not a handsome freeway.
Detroit's population has shrunk considerably over the years.
That is only somewhat true. They city may have shrunk but the metro population has stayed about the same. That has nothing to do with the condition of the Lodge Freeway though. MDOT is responsible for that as it's a state highway part of M-10 and it has nothing to do with the population of Detroit.
Speaking of the Lodge Freeway, I blew 100 mph down it on Friday afternoon during rush hour. I was getting annoyed by the people left lane camping just before the Davison exit so I found an opening in the middle lane and punched it and got up to 103 mph before I let off the gas. Then I bragged about it to one of my friends and I was like yeah it was pretty damn dangerous to do that but I had no choice these idiots in Detroit don't know how to drive on a freeway.
Isn't the Lodge like one of the only few freeways up in the Detroit suburbs that only has a 55 mph limit vs. a 70 mph speed limit?
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That's what cracks me up about this whole argument...sure, I wish I-70 was fully completed to I-95 like every other roadgeek, but I-695/I-95 at least get the job done in I-70's absence. HighwayStar acts like every single commuter from Frederick and the overall I-70 corridor drive right up to the park & ride and either wait for a bus (and FWIW, the closest stop is over on Cooks Lane) or pound their fists angrily and turn around unsuccessful. Golly, maybe tomorrow I-70 will be magically completed and I can finally get to work! :pan:
"but I-695/I-95 at least get the job done in I-70's absence" that is false. If that were the case, then I-70 never would have been designed to go to Baltimore in the first place. But as anyone who drives there knows, I-695 is a mess, and hardly a real fix for the problem.
"maybe tomorrow I-70 will be magically completed and I can finally get to work!"
Nothing magic about it my friend, it will take time, lobbying, coalition building, and someone that can shrewdly manipulate the system to do his bidding.
Perhaps the same sentiment would also apply to I-95 through Washington, since the part of it north of downtown was never built, so they rerouted it on the east side of the Capital Beltway. Even when that part was just I-495, it had lots of awful traffic, and the fact that it has to share the road with a long-distance route is no help either. I think someone familiar with the College Park area (where I-95's Park & Ride is) would answer the question, but what's the closest bus stop to there? (Probably University Blvd., but that's just a guess; plus, they'd most likely rather go to the nearby Metro stop and ride the train into town.)
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That's what cracks me up about this whole argument...sure, I wish I-70 was fully completed to I-95 like every other roadgeek, but I-695/I-95 at least get the job done in I-70's absence. HighwayStar acts like every single commuter from Frederick and the overall I-70 corridor drive right up to the park & ride and either wait for a bus (and FWIW, the closest stop is over on Cooks Lane) or pound their fists angrily and turn around unsuccessful. Golly, maybe tomorrow I-70 will be magically completed and I can finally get to work! :pan:
"but I-695/I-95 at least get the job done in I-70's absence" that is false. If that were the case, then I-70 never would have been designed to go to Baltimore in the first place. But as anyone who drives there knows, I-695 is a mess, and hardly a real fix for the problem.
"maybe tomorrow I-70 will be magically completed and I can finally get to work!"
Nothing magic about it my friend, it will take time, lobbying, coalition building, and someone that can shrewdly manipulate the system to do his bidding.
Perhaps the same sentiment would also apply to I-95 through Washington, since the part of it north of downtown was never built, so they rerouted it on the east side of the Capital Beltway. Even when that part was just I-495, it had lots of awful traffic, and the fact that it has to share the road with a long-distance route is no help either. I think someone familiar with the College Park area (where I-95's Park & Ride is) would answer the question, but what's the closest bus stop to there? (Probably University Blvd., but that's just a guess; plus, they'd most likely rather go to the nearby Metro stop and ride the train into town.)
Yes, and I used that as my DC example, as it was my most hated freeway when I was there.
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 05, 2021, 07:29:49 PM
Isn't the Lodge like one of the only few freeways up in the Detroit suburbs that only has a 55 mph limit vs. a 70 mph speed limit?
Well it stops being a freeway and turns into a divided highway but I do believe it has a 55 mph speed limit throughout. It's an urban depressed freeway for the most part and goes through an urban part of Southfield before becoming the divided highway. I don't think the Davison ever has a 70 mph speed limit either but I'm not on that one too often so I don't remember off the top of my head. also the Southfield might only be 55 as well but neither of these really go into the suburbs other than the inner ring suburbs.
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Isn't the Lodge like one of the only few freeways up in the Detroit suburbs that only has a 55 mph limit vs. a 70 mph speed limit?
Well it stops being a freeway and turns into a divided highway but I do believe it has a 55 mph speed limit throughout. It's an urban depressed freeway for the most part and goes through an urban part of Southfield before becoming the divided highway. I don't think the Davison ever has a 70 mph speed limit either but I'm not on that one too often so I don't remember off the top of my head. also the Southfield might only be 55 as well but neither of these really go into the suburbs other than the inner ring suburbs.
The Lodge is 70 between I-696 and around Southfield Rd
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Isn't the Lodge like one of the only few freeways up in the Detroit suburbs that only has a 55 mph limit vs. a 70 mph speed limit?
Well it stops being a freeway and turns into a divided highway but I do believe it has a 55 mph speed limit throughout. It's an urban depressed freeway for the most part and goes through an urban part of Southfield before becoming the divided highway. I don't think the Davison ever has a 70 mph speed limit either but I'm not on that one too often so I don't remember off the top of my head. also the Southfield might only be 55 as well but neither of these really go into the suburbs other than the inner ring suburbs.
The Lodge is 70 between I-696 and around Southfield Rd
I usually don't pay attention to the speed limits just go with the flow of traffic but I know I-75 is 70 until I-94 then drops down to 55 for the rest of the way through the city pretty much and I-94 is 55 in the city too. I haven't ever paid attention to the speed limit on the Lodge out that far too much. But it makes sense for it to be 70 in that area and I figured it was and I know it drops down at the Reuther. But that urban depressed setting is probably why it stays at 55 mph as well as all the on ramps and curves.
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i nominate denver's i-270.
i have sort of a love/hate relationship with this road. it's handy, since a lot of my denver friends live on the east/northeast side of town and its handy to get to them via that road...
that being said.. it's beat to all hell, frequently congested, and just a hot mess. like, it gets no respect for being what it is.
While I definitely think I-270 is the worst highway around, I'd say for the Denver metro area in general, people probably hate I-25 the most on weekdays and I-70 on weekends (and the I-70 part is Colorado as a whole, not necessarily the stretch through the Denver area). Not enough people drive I-270 in the metro area comparatively to make it most hated.
Chris
and come to think of it.. at least during the construction .. i-25 north out of denver isn't really too much fun either.
i always felt i-70 to be fun in traffic, as long as said traffic is moving.. we recently drove back from glenwood via i-70, and its sort of a twisty roller coaster... with trucks! but thats a personal thing, i enjoy the laser-focused driving one has to do on that road.
DC: I-95 outside the beltway probably.
Phoenix: Definitely the Papago. It's the only Freeway in Phoenix that sometimes isn't green on Google traffic
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DC: I-95 outside the beltway probably.
Phoenix: Definitely the Papago. It's the only Freeway in Phoenix that sometimes isn't green on Google traffic
Because they could not be bothered to build the actual road I-95 is sort of always outside depending on how you think about it.
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DC: I-95 outside the beltway probably.
Phoenix: Definitely the Papago. It's the only Freeway in Phoenix that sometimes isn't green on Google traffic
Because they could not be bothered to build the actual road I-95 is sort of always outside depending on how you think about it.
I believe he's mainly referring to the interstate south of I-495 in Virginia.
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DC: I-95 outside the beltway probably.
Phoenix: Definitely the Papago. It's the only Freeway in Phoenix that sometimes isn't green on Google traffic
Because they could not be bothered to build the actual road I-95 is sort of always outside depending on how you think about it.
I believe he's mainly referring to the interstate south of I-495 in Virginia.
I assume that, but on some level none of I-95 is "outside" the beltway, since it is the beltway.
I-95: I AM THE BELTWAY :-D
Portland: Ooh, that's a tossup between the Baldock and the Banfield.
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Indianapolis: Easy, I-465!
No, the winner is I-465 with three lanes closed. I-465 by itself isn't terrible.
I-69 during concerts at Ruoff Music Center can back up in both directions for miles, but I-465 from Keystone to I-69 is bad every day.
Northwest Indiana has the infamous Borman Expressway (I-80/94) which is provides an awful driving experience.
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Indianapolis: Easy, I-465!
No, the winner is I-465 with three lanes closed. I-465 by itself isn't terrible.
I-69 during concerts at Ruoff Music Center can back up in both directions for miles, but I-465 from Keystone to I-69 is bad every day.
Northwest Indiana has the infamous Borman Expressway (I-80/94) which is provides an awful driving experience.
At this rate, the Skyway will become the lexus lanes for the Borman, with no freebies to carpoolers.
I hate, hate, hate the Borman with a passion. Just a clusterfuck of trucks and massive amounts of traffic all over the place. I always suck it up and take the SKyway when I'm going into Chicago just to bypass the Borman and bypassing the Bishop Ford is a good idea too.
I can nominate the Don Valley Parkway for Toronto
It has 6 lanes, but 4 when it gets downtown.
It was supposed to just carry traffic from the north, with traffic from the west going on the Spadina Expy or 400 Extension, traffic from the east going on the Scarborough Expressway...
Well, nope, all of that goes down the DVP (and some commuter trains) since the others were cancelled. It's jammed up every day in the peak direction. Also one part is always jammed up no matter if it's rush or not (just south of 401 interchange where 2 lanes from each incoming ramp (401 east, 401 west, 404) has to merge into just 3 lanes)
Although it's not really as outdated as some others, the NB acceleration lanes near the downtown entrances are really short
The old, old, old section of I-290/Ike Expressway* in near west burbs of Chicago, with skinny merges. Waiting for "funding" to add 4 toll lane. In city limits, it's 4 lanes each way, since 1956.
*Freeways are in CA jk, :-D
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The old, old, old section of I-290/Ike Expressway* in near west burbs of Chicago, with skinny merges. Waiting for "funding" to add 4 toll lane. In city limits, it's 4 lanes each way, since 1956.
*Freeways are in CA jk, :-D
Also, left hand exits and entrances
I think the LIE gets the most complaints because of the prominence of the people using it to get to Manhattan but I-95 from the GW Bridge to Bridgeport, CT is definitely a close second. In the 90s, some seriously suggested putting a second deck on the Connecticut Turnpike.
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I think the LIE gets the most complaints because of the prominence of the people using it to get to Manhattan but I-95 from the GW Bridge to Bridgeport, CT is definitely a close second. In the 90s, some seriously suggested putting a second deck on the Connecticut Turnpike.
I-895 was hated enough that it got removed.
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Quote from: kernals12 on October 14, 2021, 11:35:34 AM
I think the LIE gets the most complaints because of the prominence of the people using it to get to Manhattan but I-95 from the GW Bridge to Bridgeport, CT is definitely a close second. In the 90s, some seriously suggested putting a second deck on the Connecticut Turnpike.
I-895 was hated enough that it got removed.
Which 895?
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Quote from: kernals12 on October 14, 2021, 11:35:34 AM
I think the LIE gets the most complaints because of the prominence of the people using it to get to Manhattan but I-95 from the GW Bridge to Bridgeport, CT is definitely a close second. In the 90s, some seriously suggested putting a second deck on the Connecticut Turnpike.
I-895 was hated enough that it got removed.
Which 895?
The one in New York. You were just talking about New York.
Quote from: kernals12 on October 14, 2021, 11:35:34 AM
I think the LIE gets the most complaints because of the prominence of the people using it to get to Manhattan but I-95 from the GW Bridge to Bridgeport, CT is definitely a close second. In the 90s, some seriously suggested putting a second deck on the Connecticut Turnpike.
And NYC region calls limited access roads, ''Expressways'', too, [not LA-LA Land freeway] ;-) :poke: jk!
The Park East Freeway oh wait it's gone that is how hated it was I guess.
Being from Missoula, I vouch for US 93. By way of segmenting this, the Flathead segment between Eureka and Kalispell is eh meh. It's okay at times so long as 'ya don't drive like a damn dummy like some in the Mission segment between Kalispell and Polson tend to do. The Evaro/Wye segment of 93 is where people seem to think they can bomb their way up and down that stretch. The Reserve Street/Bitterroot segment of 93 is where you may find a handful of ne'er-do-well's here and there. That ties in to this bumper sticker moniker of "Pray for Me - I'm on Highway 93" that's been its very identity for years even as the Bitterroot segment of 93 was converted to four lanes.
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Being from Missoula, I vouch for US 93. By way of segmenting this, the Flathead segment between Eureka and Kalispell is eh meh. It's okay at times so long as 'ya don't drive like a damn dummy like some in the Mission segment between Kalispell and Polson tend to do. The Evaro/Wye segment of 93 is where people seem to think they can bomb their way up and down that stretch. The Reserve Street/Bitterroot segment of 93 is where you may find a handful of ne'er-do-well's here and there. That ties in to this bumper sticker moniker of "Pray for Me - I'm on Highway 93" that's been its very identity for years even as the Bitterroot segment of 93 was converted to four lanes.
US 93 as reserve street was also poorly designed and handled, with no grid of parallel streets to shift any traffic its a perpetual hell navigating that thing, worse than the main streets in some much larger cities.
CLEVELAND: As for the age factor, it would have to be I-77 between I-480 and I-490. 6-lanes and little shoulders crammed into what used to be a 4-laned US-21 Willow Freeway (built in the 40s -- 3rd laned since the 70s).
As far as overall most hated freeway ‐‐ I-480 between I-77 and I-271. Most of the east/southeast side residents use that road that is either a Speedway or a parking lot.
And since you asked for a city's most HATED freeway:
ERIE, PA: I-90, whose unnecessary "urban area" (!?!???) 55-MPH speed limit zone occupies over HALF of the interstate's mileage in Pennsylvania.
And the question for decades has been...WHY???
Residents of Wilmington don't tend to complain about freeways too much, but my vote would go to the Newport Freeway. Substandard, narrow-shouldered, and it's always under construction in one form or the other.
Interstate 275 in Tampa, for sure.
I hate I-94 from about the western terminus of M-14 all the way to 23 Mile Road.
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I don't live there, but from visits to Austin, is it a safe assumption that I-35 wins this title?
Yes. Horrendous traffic all day on a summer Saturday when I visited in 2019. Even really busy at 9 PM at night.
Houston would likely be the Pierce Elevated.
Baton Rouge would be I-10 between I-110 and I-12.
Why the Pierce Elevated? From a traffic perspective it moves pretty well. I think the hate is from the perspective of urbanists that want it gone. 610 is clearly more congested as are the Gulf, Eastex, and Southwest Freeways.
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I don't live there, but from visits to Austin, is it a safe assumption that I-35 wins this title?
Yes. Horrendous traffic all day on a summer Saturday when I visited in 2019. Even really busy at 9 PM at night.
Houston would likely be the Pierce Elevated.
Baton Rouge would be I-10 between I-110 and I-12.
35 is the easy winner for Austin. Houston's the West Loop, not the Pierce Elevated. Dallas historically was the Central Expressway, then LBJ north, but both are fairly good now after their respective reconstructions. I'm not sure what the winner now is.
In Dallas it is probably Stemmons especially from SH-183 on in . LBJ is still a mess east of Central Expressway.
https://abc13.com/houston-traffic-texas-most-congested-highways-roadway-in-texas-am-transportation-institute/8463669/
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I don't live there, but from visits to Austin, is it a safe assumption that I-35 wins this title?
Yes. Horrendous traffic all day on a summer Saturday when I visited in 2019. Even really busy at 9 PM at night.
Houston would likely be the Pierce Elevated.
Baton Rouge would be I-10 between I-110 and I-12.
35 is the easy winner for Austin. Houston's the West Loop, not the Pierce Elevated. Dallas historically was the Central Expressway, then LBJ north, but both are fairly good now after their respective reconstructions. I'm not sure what the winner now is.
In Dallas it is probably Stemmons especially from SH-183 on in . LBJ is still a mess east of Central Expressway.
https://abc13.com/houston-traffic-texas-most-congested-highways-roadway-in-texas-am-transportation-institute/8463669/
No, in Dallas, it's probably I-345. It's so hated that people want it gone.
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Quote from: OCGuy81 on June 18, 2021, 07:16:29 PM
I don't live there, but from visits to Austin, is it a safe assumption that I-35 wins this title?
Yes. Horrendous traffic all day on a summer Saturday when I visited in 2019. Even really busy at 9 PM at night.
Houston would likely be the Pierce Elevated.
Baton Rouge would be I-10 between I-110 and I-12.
35 is the easy winner for Austin. Houston's the West Loop, not the Pierce Elevated. Dallas historically was the Central Expressway, then LBJ north, but both are fairly good now after their respective reconstructions. I'm not sure what the winner now is.
In Dallas it is probably Stemmons especially from SH-183 on in . LBJ is still a mess east of Central Expressway.
https://abc13.com/houston-traffic-texas-most-congested-highways-roadway-in-texas-am-transportation-institute/8463669/
No, in Dallas, it's probably I-345. It's so hated that people want it gone.
I agree the urbanists seem to want it gone... It just means the dislike is more vocal and focused, not necessarily more people feel that way.
NYC's a traffic hell, but I believe the most hated is the Cross Bronx (I-95)
Quote from: Declan127 on December 10, 2021, 08:08:51 PM
NYC's a traffic hell, but I believe the most hated is the Cross Bronx (I-95)
No way, the LIE was one of the first highways to be labelled "the world's longest parking lot"