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Title: Christmas Music Already
Post by: roadman65 on November 17, 2021, 01:32:39 PM
Well we sure like to jump the gun with decorations and other related stuff long before Halloween even.  Heck, we even bring out the Salvation Army with their ringing the bell outside your favorite grocery store and Santa coming to the malls way before Black Friday( in fact as a kid I remember in the malls Santa would make a grand entrance to the mall the morning after we ate turkey) and the Macy's Parade would spark TV stations to run holiday ads and the finale of the parade would bring out Santa's arrival to the media world.

No more, as Black Friday stole Thanksgiving and even the day before Turkey Day. 

Now 100.3 in Tampa (an I Heart Radio Station) is playing Bing Crosby, Mariah Carey, Michael Buble, as well as other popular Christmas Songs since the start of the month of November.  I assume it being I Heart Radio, that the other markets in this nation have followed suit with them and now playing Jingle Bells and Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer as well.  Because our wonderful FCC is giving out frequencies too close together, I can't tell if Orlando's Magic 107 is already playing because the FCC gave a Spanish Music Station the 107.7 frequency also to them.  So now Magic 107 in Orlando, which once was heard in Tampa and Orlando markets is strictly Orlando now because the FCC can't use many of the other open frequencies to assign a new radio to it instead.  Enough rant on that as when you live between two markets you can't get a clear fix on either station assigned to the same frequency so close to each other.

Back to point, what is the world coming too, with really jumping the gun?  No politics or religion please.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: triplemultiplex on November 17, 2021, 03:42:55 PM
Gotta fill the gap between Labor Day and Toyotathon somehow.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Scott5114 on November 17, 2021, 03:44:47 PM
There's a station here that has already gone to 24/7 Christmas music. Like, not mixed with their regular stuff, just straight Christmas music. I don't understand how anyone could start listening to that in mid-November and not be absolutely sick of it by mid-December.

Then again, I despise Christmas music. Had to listen to too much of it working customer service and having no control over what was being played. And all of the customers that time of the year were all stressed out from Christmas shopping and became rude, entitled pricks. So hearing Christmas music just makes me have war flashbacks. Nah, not for me.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: SectorZ on November 17, 2021, 03:53:27 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 17, 2021, 03:44:47 PM
So hearing Christmas music just makes me have war flashbacks.

Some folks are born made to trim the tree
They're red, white and green
And when Mariah sings "All I Want Is You"
They point the torture at you, Lord
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: formulanone on November 17, 2021, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on November 17, 2021, 03:42:55 PM
Gotta fill the gap between Labor Day and Toyotathon somehow.

I thought of the Butterball Pact set forth guidelines on holiday music until the last Friday in November, so as to prevent the War on Christmas, in exchange for a year-round tinsel trade treaty? Also, please think of those who celebrate Happy Honda Days, a December to Remember,  Season of Audi, and Ho-Ho-Hupmobile.

Seriously it's not that big of a deal by mid-November. But honestly not my thing until mid-December.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 17, 2021, 03:59:53 PM
There are two circumstances under which I listen to radio stations:

1) I'm on the road during a big sporting event and will listen to it.

2) I'm driving a very short time/distance, generally < 15 minutes, and don't want to bother starting up my Pandora app.

So radio stations can do whatever they want as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: hbelkins on November 17, 2021, 06:28:23 PM
A radio station in Lexington (Mix 94.5, which used to be WLAP-FM but may have changed call letters over the years) pulled the trigger on "Mixmas" on Nov. 1.

I saw a news story a few weeks ago that a station somewhere had already started playing Christmas music. Yes, that means before Halloween.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Scott5114 on November 17, 2021, 06:39:39 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on November 17, 2021, 03:53:27 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 17, 2021, 03:44:47 PM
So hearing Christmas music just makes me have war flashbacks.

Some folks are born made to trim the tree
They're red, white and green
And when Mariah sings "All I Want Is You"
They point the torture at you, Lord

(https://i.imgur.com/qYDccKg.png)
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: wanderer2575 on November 17, 2021, 07:13:51 PM
Must be something about the 100.3 frequency.  Here in the Detroit area, radio station WNIC broadcasts only Christmas music, 'round the clock, starting sometime in the first week of November (it was the 5th this year).  I don't know whether they knock it off after Christmas or if it continues through New Year; I don't have the strength to listen.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 17, 2021, 07:34:30 PM
Honestly, I think radio stations have held back this year on playing Christmas music. Last year right after Halloween there were numerous stations playing Christmas music on both FM and XM radios. This year there's only 1 station on XM so far, and 1 FM station here in the Philly market.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: snowc on November 17, 2021, 07:46:20 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 17, 2021, 01:32:39 PM
Well we sure like to jump the gun with decorations and other related stuff long before Halloween even.  Heck, we even bring out the Salvation Army with their ringing the bell outside your favorite grocery store and Santa coming to the malls way before Black Friday( in fact as a kid I remember in the malls Santa would make a grand entrance to the mall the morning after we ate turkey) and the Macy's Parade would spark TV stations to run holiday ads and the finale of the parade would bring out Santa's arrival to the media world.

No more, as Black Friday stole Thanksgiving and even the day before Turkey Day. 

Now 100.3 in Tampa (an I Heart Radio Station) is playing Bing Crosby, Mariah Carey, Michael Buble, as well as other popular Christmas Songs since the start of the month of November.  I assume it being I Heart Radio, that the other markets in this nation have followed suit with them and now playing Jingle Bells and Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer as well.  Because our wonderful FCC is giving out frequencies too close together, I can't tell if Orlando's Magic 107 is already playing because the FCC gave a Spanish Music Station the 107.7 frequency also to them.  So now Magic 107 in Orlando, which once was heard in Tampa and Orlando markets is strictly Orlando now because the FCC can't use many of the other open frequencies to assign a new radio to it instead.  Enough rant on that as when you live between two markets you can't get a clear fix on either station assigned to the same frequency so close to each other.

Back to point, what is the world coming too, with really jumping the gun?  No politics or religion please.
Hey, stop everyone before I say this.
MIX 101.5 has Christmas music playing November 1 - December 25 every year, and it is on HD2.
Want to hear the Sounds of the season? Click here! https://prod-107-22-14-56.wostreaming.net/capitolbroad-wralhd3aac-hlsc1.m3u8/?source=v7player (https://prod-107-22-14-56.wostreaming.net/capitolbroad-wralhd3aac-hlsc1.m3u8/?source=v7player)
Heck, I play it with a virtual fireplace!  :love:
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: vdeane on November 17, 2021, 09:45:38 PM
Warm 101.3 in Rochester went all-Christmas right after Veteran's Day (same time as Star 92.9 in Vermont, actually).  Now, I'm not really a fan of blasting all Christmas music before Thanksgiving, but that in and of itself I can deal with.  What's problematic, particularly for Warm 101.3 (which is the one I end up listening to since any trip this time of year is going to be to Rochester or a day trip out of Rochester), is how heavy the Christmas song rotation is on crooners.  It's not my style of music, and when you've been driving on the Thruway for 2-3 hours, you really need something more upbeet.  The slower, older music combined with the driving tends to put me to sleep.  It's to the point where I'm thinking of kicking Warm 101.3 off my presets in favor of an Audacity station (98.9 The Buzz), even though I normally avoid Audacity and iHeart Radio in favor of more local stations.  It feels like it's getting harder over time to find stations that play music I like consistently and have enough range to fill out my preset network, or maybe I'm just getting more picky.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Rothman on November 17, 2021, 09:54:31 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on November 17, 2021, 03:42:55 PM
Gotta fill the gap between Labor Day and Toyotathon somehow.
You, sir, win the Internet for the day.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: kurumi on November 18, 2021, 01:42:43 AM
Spotify and the internet in general (replacing radio, good riddance) and online shopping (replacing in-store) have made the 12 weeks of Retail Advent much easier to handle. So far I have not had to hear "Sleigh Bells" (the worst Christmas song) yet, and it's almost Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Henry on November 18, 2021, 11:09:18 AM
Quote from: formulanone on November 17, 2021, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on November 17, 2021, 03:42:55 PM
Gotta fill the gap between Labor Day and Toyotathon somehow.

I thought of the Butterball Pact set forth guidelines on holiday music until the last Friday in November, so as to prevent the War on Christmas, in exchange for a year-round tinsel trade treaty? Also, please think of those who celebrate Happy Honda Days, a December to Remember,  Season of Audi, and Ho-Ho-Hupmobile.

Seriously it's not that big of a deal by mid-November. But honestly not my thing until mid-December.
Not to mention thinking what fun it is to ride in a '57 Chevrolet or seeing Santa Claus come back to town in a big, black Cadillac.

Safe to say that 93.9 Lite FM in Chicago, KOST 103.5 in L.A. and Warm 106.9 in Seattle are in 24/7 Christmas music mode by now. Of course, it plus Delilah's nighttime show would be brought to you by Cadillac (which is the right way to do it in anyway).
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: jlam on November 18, 2021, 11:12:26 AM
Northern Colorado's Retro 102.5 FM is switching to Christmas music tomorrow at noon. They couldn't even make it to Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: spooky on November 18, 2021, 12:45:30 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on November 17, 2021, 03:42:55 PM
Gotta fill the gap between Labor Day and Toyotathon somehow.

How dare you, I celebrate Happy Honda Days.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Scott5114 on November 18, 2021, 02:16:19 PM
Quote from: Henry on November 18, 2021, 11:09:18 AM
Quote from: formulanone on November 17, 2021, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on November 17, 2021, 03:42:55 PM
Gotta fill the gap between Labor Day and Toyotathon somehow.

I thought of the Butterball Pact set forth guidelines on holiday music until the last Friday in November, so as to prevent the War on Christmas, in exchange for a year-round tinsel trade treaty? Also, please think of those who celebrate Happy Honda Days, a December to Remember,  Season of Audi, and Ho-Ho-Hupmobile.

Seriously it's not that big of a deal by mid-November. But honestly not my thing until mid-December.
Not to mention thinking what fun it is to ride in a '57 Chevrolet or seeing Santa Claus come back to town in a big, black Cadillac.

Safe to say that 93.9 Lite FM in Chicago, KOST 103.5 in L.A. and Warm 106.9 in Seattle are in 24/7 Christmas music mode by now. Of course, it plus Delilah's nighttime show would be brought to you by Cadillac (which is the right way to do it in anyway).

Magic 104.1 here pre-empts Delilah when they're doing their 24/7 Christmas music. Normally I would be happy something has taken that mawkish, treacly sap off the air, but Christmas music is even worse than she is...

Also I'm cracking up that "Warm" is an appellation that not just one, but multiple radio stations seem to have adopted. "Hot" I get, "Cool" I get, but "warm"? "Get all your lukewarm hits! Music that was hot 40 years ago but is now closer to room temperature!"
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 18, 2021, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: formulanone on November 17, 2021, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on November 17, 2021, 03:42:55 PM
Gotta fill the gap between Labor Day and Toyotathon somehow.

I thought of the Butterball Pact set forth guidelines on holiday music until the last Friday in November, so as to prevent the War on Christmas, in exchange for a year-round tinsel trade treaty? Also, please think of those who celebrate Happy Honda Days, a December to Remember,  Season of Audi, and Ho-Ho-Hupmobile.
You just made me think of some remarks The Cinema Snob made in his review of "Last Ounce of Courage."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-h0Jm-i184

Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: plain on November 18, 2021, 03:45:55 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on November 17, 2021, 03:42:55 PM
Gotta fill the gap between Labor Day and Toyotathon somehow.

I thought the Progressive Homeandautobundlextravafestasaveathon was supposed to fill in that gap?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: hotdogPi on November 19, 2021, 09:35:30 AM
Part of the problem is that most Christmas stations don't play enough variety. Many of the religious ones aren't played or are played very rarely; this even includes Silent Night. Even some of the secular traditional songs (Here We Come A-Wassailing, Good King Wenceslas) aren't played. Then there are the ones such as We Are Santa's Elves, We're a Couple of Misfits, and Silver and Gold all from the Rudolph movie; the station I listen to plays the first two (very rarely) but not the third, and I believe the station is unusual in that it does play the first two.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: kurumi on November 19, 2021, 11:49:00 AM
Secular Christmas music is predominantly from a certain time in history: https://xkcd.com/988/
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: vdeane on November 19, 2021, 12:51:20 PM
Quote from: 1 on November 19, 2021, 09:35:30 AM
Part of the problem is that most Christmas stations don't play enough variety. Many of the religious ones aren't played or are played very rarely; this even includes Silent Night. Even some of the secular traditional songs (Here We Come A-Wassailing, Good King Wenceslas) aren't played. Then there are the ones such as We Are Santa's Elves, We're a Couple of Misfits, and Silver and Gold all from the Rudolph movie; the station I listen to plays the first two (very rarely) but not the third, and I believe the station is unusual in that it does play the first two.
That is certainly true, especially with respect to type of music.  I'd be much less annoyed by all-Christmas if they even had a 1:1 ratio of crooners to more modern stuff, but it's usually 5:1 if not 10:1 in favor of crooners, which really isn't my preferred type of music.

Quote from: kurumi on November 19, 2021, 11:49:00 AM
Secular Christmas music is predominantly from a certain time in history: https://xkcd.com/988/
That hover text is spot-on.  "An 'American tradition' is anything that happened to a baby boomer twice."  It's amazing how many things we assume are normal or "the way things are" (or were) even if they were actually a historical aberration that existed only in the 1950s and 60s.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Scott5114 on November 19, 2021, 01:42:59 PM
It wouldn't be so bad if we actually got to hear covers of the 1940s/1950s songs instead of solely playing the original recordings. Is it any wonder Mariah Carey gets played so much? She's the most recent person to actually make it past the gates of the Bing Crosby Industrial Complex.

I will modify my previous post by saying I don't mind Christmas music so much when NPR starts including it in their jazz programs. Jazz has a long tradition of "standards" that individual musicians are encouraged to put their own spin on, and they treat Christmas music just the same. So it's interesting because while you might hear two versions of the same Christmas song on the same night, they'll sound totally different.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: 1995hoo on November 19, 2021, 01:48:58 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 19, 2021, 01:42:59 PM
It wouldn't be so bad if we actually got to hear covers of the 1940s/1950s songs instead of solely playing the original recordings. Is it any wonder Mariah Carey gets played so much? She's the most recent person to actually make it past the gates of the Bing Crosby Industrial Complex.

....

On the other hand, I don't care who sings it, I get very sick very quickly of hearing about Mommy kissing Santa. It might have been cute whenever that song was written, but by now it's so overplayed that I find it very tiresome. I could name several other similar-era songs that I turn off, if possible, as soon as I hear them ("Jingle Bell Rock" and "Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree" are the two that most readily come to mind).

I do greatly enjoy Twisted Sister's version of "O Come All Ye Faithful," which of course you'll never hear most places because it's a religious song.

Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Scott5114 on November 19, 2021, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 19, 2021, 01:48:58 PM
I could name several other similar-era songs that I turn off, if possible, as soon as I hear them ("Jingle Bell Rock"

will someone tell me what the fuck a "jingle horse" is
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: hotdogPi on November 19, 2021, 02:23:08 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 19, 2021, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 19, 2021, 01:48:58 PM
I could name several other similar-era songs that I turn off, if possible, as soon as I hear them ("Jingle Bell Rock"

will someone tell me what the fuck a "jingle horse" is

Jingle is a verb in context; you're telling the horse to jingle. There should be a comma between the two words.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Scott5114 on November 19, 2021, 02:31:20 PM
Quote from: 1 on November 19, 2021, 02:23:08 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 19, 2021, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 19, 2021, 01:48:58 PM
I could name several other similar-era songs that I turn off, if possible, as soon as I hear them ("Jingle Bell Rock"

will someone tell me what the fuck a "jingle horse" is

Jingle is a verb in context; you're telling the horse to jingle. There should be a comma between the two words.

Not buying that, since "jingle horse" are both on the same beat (note that this song, like all obnoxious Christmas music, is in 2/2, so the quarter notes are a half beat and the eighth notes are quarter-beats.)

(https://i.imgur.com/ldDQuNT.png)
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: snowc on November 19, 2021, 02:44:11 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 19, 2021, 01:48:58 PM
It might have been cute whenever that song was written, but by now it's so overplayed that I find it very tiresome. I could name several other similar-era songs that I turn off, if possible, as soon as I hear them
Why might you say that?
We got Christmas Shoes (yes, christmas shoes) that HAS TO BE TURNED OFF when I hear it! My father cried when he heard this, and now he will NEVER play it again!  :ded: :rolleyes: :pan:
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Scott5114 on November 19, 2021, 02:59:29 PM
Quote from: snowc on November 19, 2021, 02:44:11 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 19, 2021, 01:48:58 PM
It might have been cute whenever that song was written, but by now it's so overplayed that I find it very tiresome. I could name several other similar-era songs that I turn off, if possible, as soon as I hear them
Why might you say that?

Note that someone's age is also the number of Christmases they have lived through. Christmas music stops being fun the more times you hear it, especially if you end up in a situation where you have no control over whether you listen to it or not.

Quote from: snowc on November 19, 2021, 02:44:11 PM
We got Christmas Shoes (yes, christmas shoes) that HAS TO BE TURNED OFF when I hear it! My father cried when he heard this, and now he will NEVER play it again!  :ded: :rolleyes: :pan:

That one is pretty stupid too. Probably the most mawkish song I've ever heard.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: JayhawkCO on November 19, 2021, 03:13:32 PM
Sirius XM or Spotify.  That's all that's played in my car. 

My wife will put on the Christmas music the weekend after Thanksgiving when we're setting up the tree and whatnot, and then on Christmas Day.  That's all I ever hear of it.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: kurumi on November 19, 2021, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 19, 2021, 01:48:58 PM
I do greatly enjoy Twisted Sister's version of "O Come All Ye Faithful," which of course you'll never hear most places because it's a religious song.

It's "We're not gonna take it" with different lyrics
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Rothman on November 19, 2021, 05:35:14 PM
Quote from: kurumi on November 19, 2021, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 19, 2021, 01:48:58 PM
I do greatly enjoy Twisted Sister's version of "O Come All Ye Faithful," which of course you'll never hear most places because it's a religious song.

It's "We're not gonna take it" with different lyrics
...which is awesome.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: 1995hoo on November 20, 2021, 10:39:42 AM
Quote from: kurumi on November 19, 2021, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 19, 2021, 01:48:58 PM
I do greatly enjoy Twisted Sister's version of "O Come All Ye Faithful," which of course you'll never hear most places because it's a religious song.

It's "We're not gonna take it" with different lyrics

Well, actually it's the reverse: Dee Snider said "We're Not Gonna Take It"  was derived from "Adeste Fideles."  So in a sense, he was flipping the script back. But either way, it's still my favorite version. The whole album from which it's drawn consists of heavy metal Christmas music, but that's the only religious song. (Give credit to the band for singing all three verses of "Deck the Halls,"  however.)

Their version of the Twelve Days of Christmas is a send-up of heavy metal: "Four quarts of Jack, three studded belts, two pairs of spandex pants, and a tattoo of Ozzy."
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: US71 on November 20, 2021, 03:08:37 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on November 19, 2021, 03:13:32 PM
Sirius XM or Spotify.  That's all that's played in my car. 

My wife will put on the Christmas music the weekend after Thanksgiving when we're setting up the tree and whatnot, and then on Christmas Day.  That's all I ever hear of it.

Sirius has 5-6 Christmas stations.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: ET21 on November 24, 2021, 09:38:58 AM
Black Friday is when it begins with me. Radio station switched to 24/7 coverage back on Wed 11/3. Luckily I never listen to the radio anymore, have a playlist ready to go on Spotify.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: US71 on November 24, 2021, 10:55:12 AM
Quote from: ET21 on November 24, 2021, 09:38:58 AM
Black Friday is when it begins with me. Radio station switched to 24/7 coverage back on Wed 11/3. Luckily I never listen to the radio anymore, have a playlist ready to go on Spotify.

I had an MP3 with Christmas Music, but don't know what happened to it.

It's not Christmas until (a) Thanksgiving is over  and (b) someone plays Mason Williams doing Greensleeves.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: snowc on November 24, 2021, 10:59:51 AM
Quote from: US71 on November 24, 2021, 10:55:12 AM
It's not Christmas until (a) Thanksgiving is over  and (b) someone plays Mason Williams doing Greensleeves.
We put up our tree on Thanksgiving, but more recent this is on Black Friday.  :D
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Scott5114 on November 24, 2021, 05:30:34 PM
It's not Christmas until December 1.

We don't really decorate our house anymore, though. My wife has zero interest in doing so, so if there's any decorating to be done, I would have to do it. Going through all of the rigamarole of putting up the tree and taking it back down in January just kind of feels like a waste of effort given that we don't really have anyone over. There's also the matter of my idiot cat, who I'm sure would destroy the tree and probably electrocute herself in the process.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: kkt on November 24, 2021, 05:36:44 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 19, 2021, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 19, 2021, 01:48:58 PM
I could name several other similar-era songs that I turn off, if possible, as soon as I hear them ("Jingle Bell Rock"

will someone tell me what the fuck a "jingle horse" is

A horse with bells on its reins?
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: GaryV on November 24, 2021, 06:57:11 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 24, 2021, 05:30:34 PM
It's not Christmas until December 1.


It's not Christmas until Dec 25, and it lasts until Epiphany (Jan 6).  Before that, it's Advent, which starts Nov 28 this year.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: kkt on November 24, 2021, 08:34:19 PM
I would probably feel a lot better about Christmas music on December 25th if they waited until after Thanksgiving to start playing it.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Henry on November 24, 2021, 08:34:43 PM
It's not Christmas until Black Friday...

I remember every Thanksgiving night in Chicago, we would put up the tree and all of the decorations, while one of the old-time Christmas records was playing on the turntable. While it was nothing like Chevy Chase's house in National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, there was always lots of nice stuff to go around. Then we'd take them down on New Year's Day, as that signaled the end of the fun and festivities.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: ErmineNotyours on November 24, 2021, 10:24:38 PM
The group Bad Religion has a thrash rock take on Christmas songs.

Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: roadman65 on November 24, 2021, 11:10:31 PM
Quote from: GaryV on November 24, 2021, 06:57:11 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 24, 2021, 05:30:34 PM
It's not Christmas until December 1.


It's not Christmas until Dec 25, and it lasts until Epiphany (Jan 6).  Before that, it's Advent, which starts Nov 28 this year.

A friend of mine also won't have a Christmas party either before Christmas as he believes it's disrespectful to the nature of the seasons. He believes Advent should be respected and not skip it. So one year he had his party in January before the Baptism of the Lord, which the Roman Catholics consider to be the true end. 
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: ET21 on November 26, 2021, 06:57:41 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 24, 2021, 11:10:31 PM
Quote from: GaryV on November 24, 2021, 06:57:11 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 24, 2021, 05:30:34 PM
It's not Christmas until December 1.


It's not Christmas until Dec 25, and it lasts until Epiphany (Jan 6).  Before that, it's Advent, which starts Nov 28 this year.

A friend of mine also won't have a Christmas party either before Christmas as he believes it's disrespectful to the nature of the seasons. He believes Advent should be respected and not skip it. So one year he had his party in January before the Baptism of the Lord, which the Roman Catholics consider to be the true end.

Yeah by about mid-January is usually when we take everything down. Leave it up the week after the Epiphany and take it down on Jan 15-16th
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: 1995hoo on November 26, 2021, 08:08:48 PM
Quote from: ET21 on November 26, 2021, 06:57:41 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 24, 2021, 11:10:31 PM
Quote from: GaryV on November 24, 2021, 06:57:11 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 24, 2021, 05:30:34 PM
It's not Christmas until December 1.


It's not Christmas until Dec 25, and it lasts until Epiphany (Jan 6).  Before that, it's Advent, which starts Nov 28 this year.

A friend of mine also won't have a Christmas party either before Christmas as he believes it's disrespectful to the nature of the seasons. He believes Advent should be respected and not skip it. So one year he had his party in January before the Baptism of the Lord, which the Roman Catholics consider to be the true end.

Yeah by about mid-January is usually when we take everything down. Leave it up the week after the Epiphany and take it down on Jan 15-16th

My mom has long commented that you leave the Christmas decorations lit through and including the Epiphany and then take them down over Lee—Jackson Day/ML King Day weekend.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Roadgeekteen on November 27, 2021, 04:52:19 AM
We need Thanksgiving music
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: GaryV on November 27, 2021, 07:15:57 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 27, 2021, 04:52:19 AM
We need Thanksgiving music

Like Jingle Bells?  (Look it up)
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: hotdogPi on November 27, 2021, 07:22:27 AM
Quote from: GaryV on November 27, 2021, 07:15:57 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 27, 2021, 04:52:19 AM
We need Thanksgiving music

Like Jingle Bells?  (Look it up)

In addition:
Over the River and Through the Woods
The Thanksgiving Song (by Adam Sandler)
Alice's Restaurant
105.7 WROR played a parody of Workin' for a Livin' called Turkey for Thanksgiving. It's their own parody, though, so I don't expect it to be played anywhere else.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: hotdogPi on November 27, 2021, 12:06:17 PM
Another thing I want to point out is that Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, Holly Jolly Christmas, Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree, Winter Wonderland, Let It Snow, I Want a Hippopotamus for Christmas, and probably one or two that I'm forgetting have identical chord progressions outside the bridge, and you can sing Meow Mix to all of them.

edit: forgot Jingle Bell Rock
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Scott5114 on November 27, 2021, 12:12:47 PM
Quote from: 1 on November 27, 2021, 12:06:17 PM
Another thing I want to point out is that Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, Holly Jolly Christmas, Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree, Winter Wonderland, Let It Snow, I Want a Hippopotamus for Christmas, and probably one or two that I'm forgetting have identical chord progressions outside the bridge, and you can sing Meow Mix to all of them.

Now that explains why Christmas music feels so samey.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: kkt on November 27, 2021, 03:55:27 PM
Quote from: 1 on November 27, 2021, 12:06:17 PM
Another thing I want to point out is that Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, Holly Jolly Christmas, Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree, Winter Wonderland, Let It Snow, I Want a Hippopotamus for Christmas, and probably one or two that I'm forgetting have identical chord progressions outside the bridge, and you can sing Meow Mix to all of them.

edit: forgot Jingle Bell Rock

:-D :-D
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Billy F 1988 on November 27, 2021, 11:46:53 PM
Oh, for crike sakes. Here I go into the next work week and I already have to deal with the marathon of Christmas drudgery tunes day after day! Can't this shit wait until the week of Christmas?! Why do certain stores have to play that crap right after Thanksgiving?! I mean, my own grocery store in Missoula, a former Safeway store on Broadway, may already be flipping to that crap next week letting it all go clear until Christmas.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Henry on November 30, 2021, 11:21:40 AM
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on November 27, 2021, 11:46:53 PM
Oh, for crike sakes. Here I go into the next work week and I already have to deal with the marathon of Christmas drudgery tunes day after day! Can't this shit wait until the week of Christmas?! Why do certain stores have to play that crap right after Thanksgiving?! I mean, my own grocery store in Missoula, a former Safeway store on Broadway, may already be flipping to that crap next week letting it all go clear until Christmas.
Until 2001, just about every radio station in North America only went all-Christmas on the week of the holiday, and prior to that they would mix in a Christmas tune or two to go with their regular hourly playlist. The main reason for the change was to provide comfort for those who were still getting over the shock and horror that was 9/11. And apparently, that worked because the change became permanent in 2002.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 01, 2021, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: Henry on November 30, 2021, 11:21:40 AM
Until 2001, just about every radio station in North America only went all-Christmas on the week of the holiday, and prior to that they would mix in a Christmas tune or two to go with their regular hourly playlist. The main reason for the change was to provide comfort for those who were still getting over the shock and horror that was 9/11. And apparently, that worked because the change became permanent in 2002.

Then the terrorists have won.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: roadman65 on December 01, 2021, 10:13:40 PM
I never thought a traditional song could be covered, but it has. Jingle Bells by Barry Manilow and Expose is a cover of Bing Crosby and Andrew Sisters version.

The arrangement and vocal keys are identical including the fast Doo Doo Do Whap, that Patti, Maxine, and Laverne done in the first version that the girls in Expose sing right after the  first Jingle Bell chorus.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Takumi on December 01, 2021, 10:42:42 PM
Eating Valentine's Day candy on December 1 > listening to Christmas music in November
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Henry on December 02, 2021, 10:55:48 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 01, 2021, 10:13:40 PM
I never thought a traditional song could be covered, but it has. Jingle Bells by Barry Manilow and Expose is a cover of Bing Crosby and Andrew Sisters version.

The arrangement and vocal keys are identical including the fast Doo Doo Do Whap, that Patti, Maxine, and Laverne done in the first version that the girls in Expose sing right after the  first Jingle Bell chorus.
Michael Bublé also does this, only a full key higher than the Manilow version (F vs. E-flat).
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Scott5114 on December 02, 2021, 01:07:18 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 01, 2021, 10:13:40 PM
I never thought a traditional song could be covered, but it has. Jingle Bells by Barry Manilow and Expose is a cover of Bing Crosby and Andrew Sisters version.

The arrangement and vocal keys are identical including the fast Doo Doo Do Whap, that Patti, Maxine, and Laverne done in the first version that the girls in Expose sing right after the  first Jingle Bell chorus.

Isn't that not a cover, but a recording of a standard?
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Molandfreak on December 02, 2021, 02:32:43 PM

If you're someone who hates Christmas music but constantly gets requests to play it from your passengers, just play this gem from the Crash Test Dummies.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Scott5114 on December 02, 2021, 05:21:03 PM
Some more unconventional Christmas music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUoDmRM2aJ0
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Rothman on December 02, 2021, 05:32:45 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 02, 2021, 01:07:18 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 01, 2021, 10:13:40 PM
I never thought a traditional song could be covered, but it has. Jingle Bells by Barry Manilow and Expose is a cover of Bing Crosby and Andrew Sisters version.

The arrangement and vocal keys are identical including the fast Doo Doo Do Whap, that Patti, Maxine, and Laverne done in the first version that the girls in Expose sing right after the  first Jingle Bell chorus.

Isn't that not a cover, but a recording of a standard?

How many covers need there to be until it becomes a standard?
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Rothman on December 02, 2021, 05:34:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 02, 2021, 05:21:03 PM
Some more unconventional Christmas music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUoDmRM2aJ0

They Might Be Giants ripoff.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Takumi on December 02, 2021, 09:22:54 PM
https://youtu.be/GWDXRO2oMPw
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 02, 2021, 09:38:06 PM
Hey, I just thought of a very non-traditional Christmas song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyFq1_Bg2Zg
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: LilianaUwU on December 02, 2021, 09:42:03 PM
I normally hate Christmas music, but in December I can at the very least tolerate it.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on December 03, 2021, 12:52:03 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 02, 2021, 09:42:03 PM
I normally hate Christmas music, but in December I can at the very least tolerate it.

With selections like << Rudolph le renne au nez rouge >> and << Je serai rentré pour Noël >> ?  :bigass:
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: formulanone on December 03, 2021, 08:41:43 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 01, 2021, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: Henry on November 30, 2021, 11:21:40 AM
Until 2001, just about every radio station in North America only went all-Christmas on the week of the holiday, and prior to that they would mix in a Christmas tune or two to go with their regular hourly playlist. The main reason for the change was to provide comfort for those who were still getting over the shock and horror that was 9/11. And apparently, that worked because the change became permanent in 2002.

Then the terrorists have won.

Nay, I recall a few stations did that even pre-9/11. Usually, it meant the station was changing formats or owners upon the new year.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: vdeane on December 03, 2021, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 03, 2021, 08:41:43 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 01, 2021, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: Henry on November 30, 2021, 11:21:40 AM
Until 2001, just about every radio station in North America only went all-Christmas on the week of the holiday, and prior to that they would mix in a Christmas tune or two to go with their regular hourly playlist. The main reason for the change was to provide comfort for those who were still getting over the shock and horror that was 9/11. And apparently, that worked because the change became permanent in 2002.

Then the terrorists have won.

Nay, I recall a few stations did that even pre-9/11. Usually, it meant the station was changing formats or owners upon the new year.
Couldn't they change formats/owners even with only a week of Christmas music?  Not sure why it would need to be even longer when the point is to provide a buffer between the formats.  I would think that buffer could be as short as a day, even.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: formulanone on December 06, 2021, 09:05:17 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 03, 2021, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 03, 2021, 08:41:43 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 01, 2021, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: Henry on November 30, 2021, 11:21:40 AM
Until 2001, just about every radio station in North America only went all-Christmas on the week of the holiday, and prior to that they would mix in a Christmas tune or two to go with their regular hourly playlist. The main reason for the change was to provide comfort for those who were still getting over the shock and horror that was 9/11. And apparently, that worked because the change became permanent in 2002.

Then the terrorists have won.

Nay, I recall a few stations did that even pre-9/11. Usually, it meant the station was changing formats or owners upon the new year.
Couldn't they change formats/owners even with only a week of Christmas music?  Not sure why it would need to be even longer when the point is to provide a buffer between the formats.  I would think that buffer could be as short as a day, even.

I guess it depends on how poor the Arbitron ratings were before the switch.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: roadman65 on December 07, 2021, 02:03:44 PM
One station I know plays some Christmas music and still normal programming. It's mainly IHeart and some Protestant base Christian Radio Stations that play it all day from Mid November until December 25 I have found.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: jakeroot on December 07, 2021, 05:47:00 PM
Here in Seattle, I'm usually trying really hard to track down Christmas music. Only two (KSWD, KRWM), maybe three stations play it.

The others, such as Jack FM, the Jet, KZOK (classic rock), the End (alt rock), and others stick to their formats all year.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Henry on December 08, 2021, 10:32:43 AM
It used to be that only Soft AC stations (as in WLIT/Chicago and the aforementioned KSWD and KRWM/Seattle) would go all-Christmas each year. Now Classic Hits/Oldies stations do the same thing too, mainly because they continue to play the songs that AC recently shed from its playlists.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: vdeane on December 08, 2021, 12:53:30 PM
Quote from: Henry on December 08, 2021, 10:32:43 AM
It used to be that only Soft AC stations (as in WLIT/Chicago and the aforementioned KSWD and KRWM/Seattle) would go all-Christmas each year. Now Classic Hits/Oldies stations do the same thing too, mainly because they continue to play the songs that AC recently shed from its playlists.
Some, anyways.  Classic Hits 104.1 out in Buffalo doesn't as far as I'm aware, but Sunny 102.1 in Syracuse becomes Santa 102.1.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: hotdogPi on December 10, 2021, 07:46:38 AM
I'm playing Wheel of Fortune and I spin the wheel
No part of this current puzzle is revealed
The wheel lands on 5,000 when it comes to rest
I call the letter L and hope for the best
No L, no L, no L, no L
I really thought I was doing so well
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: roadman65 on December 12, 2021, 11:43:10 AM
Does anyone know what those lines in Verse 3 of Santa Claus Is ComingTo Town saying " Rooty Toot Toot and Rummy Tum Tum means?
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Rothman on December 12, 2021, 11:59:01 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 12, 2021, 11:43:10 AM
Does anyone know what those lines in Verse 3 of Santa Claus Is ComingTo Town saying " Rooty Toot Toot and Rummy Tum Tum means?
Onomatopoeia.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Henry on December 13, 2021, 10:51:35 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 12, 2021, 11:59:01 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 12, 2021, 11:43:10 AM
Does anyone know what those lines in Verse 3 of Santa Claus Is ComingTo Town saying " Rooty Toot Toot and Rummy Tum Tum means?
Onomatopoeia.

I used to wonder the same thing about the "pa-rum-pa-pum-pum" lyric in The Little Drummer Boy.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Scott5114 on December 16, 2021, 04:42:49 PM
A thing that bothers me is the recent inclusion of certain songs which are not Christmas music in Christmas playlists:
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: hotdogPi on December 16, 2021, 04:45:53 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 16, 2021, 04:42:49 PM
  • Johann Pachelbel's Canon in D: What? I heard this tucked in between two Christmas songs at a Whataburger the other day. Is all classical music considered Christmas music now? Can we start getting the 1812 Overture and the Galop from Orpheus in the Underworld in our Christmas playlists then?

There's something called Christmas Canon. Are you sure you heard the original classical piece? (There is some instrumental part in Christmas Canon, but if you heard no singing for over one minute continuously, you heard the actual Pachelbel Canon.)

That said, I'm annoyed by My Favorite Things being included, too.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Scott5114 on December 16, 2021, 04:53:43 PM
No, what I heard was straight up Canon in D, with no vocals at all. (It's a piece that means a lot to me because it's one of my grandmother's favorite songs to play on the piano and thus always makes me think of her when I hear it, so I'm going to be pretty damn irritated if it gets watered down into a generic Christmas song.)
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Big John on December 16, 2021, 04:54:01 PM
One non-Christmas song played only at Christmas time-  Same Old Lang Syne by Dan Fogelberg.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Rothman on December 16, 2021, 05:01:07 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 16, 2021, 04:42:49 PM
A thing that bothers me is the recent inclusion of certain songs which are not Christmas music in Christmas playlists:

  • "Linus and Lucy" by Vince Guaraldi: Guaraldi scored a half-dozen Peanuts specials and some arrangement of "Linus and Lucy" appeared in every single one of them. It's no more Christmas music for appearing in the Peanuts Christmas special than it is Halloween music for appearing in the Halloween special.
  • "My Favorite Things" from The Sound of Music: Snowflakes are mentioned, and some of the favorite things are vaguely winter-themed, like bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens, and the brown paper packages tied in string could conceivably be Christmas presents. It's hard to see how raindrops on roses or whiskers on kittens are, though, and winter explicitly melting into spring is very much not a Christmas thing.
  • Johann Pachelbel's Canon in D: What? I heard this tucked in between two Christmas songs at a Whataburger the other day. Is all classical music considered Christmas music now? Can we start getting the 1812 Overture and the Galop from Orpheus in the Underworld in our Christmas playlists then?
Linus and Lucy's first use was in A Charlie Brown Christmas.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: webny99 on December 16, 2021, 05:14:20 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 16, 2021, 04:53:43 PM
No, what I heard was straight up Canon in D, with no vocals at all. (It's a piece that means a lot to me because it's one of my grandmother's favorite songs to play on the piano and thus always makes me think of her when I hear it, so I'm going to be pretty damn irritated if it gets watered down into a generic Christmas song.)

Crazy, I used to listen to Canon in D on my grandparents' keyboard, so it brings back memories for me as well. I certainly don't think of it as a holiday song in any form or fashion. Might as well take the opportunity to link to it here. 1:55 still gives me chills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptk_1Dc2iPY
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Scott5114 on December 16, 2021, 06:43:02 PM
Quote from: Rothman on December 16, 2021, 05:01:07 PM
Linus and Lucy's first use was in A Charlie Brown Christmas.

First use in a film–it was commissioned for a 1963 Charlie Brown documentary that was never released, and its first public release was on the Guaraldi album Jazz Impressions of A Boy Named Charlie Brown, containing all of the music he was commissioned to do for the documentary. A Charlie Brown Christmas wasn't released until the year after that album came out.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Rothman on December 16, 2021, 07:27:46 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 16, 2021, 06:43:02 PM
Quote from: Rothman on December 16, 2021, 05:01:07 PM
Linus and Lucy's first use was in A Charlie Brown Christmas.

First use in a film–it was commissioned for a 1963 Charlie Brown documentary that was never released, and its first public release was on the Guaraldi album Jazz Impressions of A Boy Named Charlie Brown, containing all of the music he was commissioned to do for the documentary. A Charlie Brown Christmas wasn't released until the year after that album came out.
Psst:  No one cared about the album and people associate it with the cartoon that entered into the American zeitgeist.

Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Scott5114 on December 16, 2021, 07:29:14 PM
Quote from: Rothman on December 16, 2021, 07:27:46 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 16, 2021, 06:43:02 PM
Quote from: Rothman on December 16, 2021, 05:01:07 PM
Linus and Lucy's first use was in A Charlie Brown Christmas.

First use in a film–it was commissioned for a 1963 Charlie Brown documentary that was never released, and its first public release was on the Guaraldi album Jazz Impressions of A Boy Named Charlie Brown, containing all of the music he was commissioned to do for the documentary. A Charlie Brown Christmas wasn't released until the year after that album came out.
Psst:  No one cared about the album and people associate it with the cartoon that entered into the American zeitgeist.



Psssst: I'm saying they're wrong to do so.

(Personally, I like Vince Guaraldi more than I like Peanuts, so...)
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: formulanone on December 16, 2021, 07:30:47 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 16, 2021, 04:42:49 PM
A thing that bothers me is the recent inclusion of certain songs which are not Christmas music in Christmas playlists:

  • "Linus and Lucy" by Vince Guaraldi: Guaraldi scored a half-dozen Peanuts specials and some arrangement of "Linus and Lucy" appeared in every single one of them. It's no more Christmas music for appearing in the Peanuts Christmas special than it is Halloween music for appearing in the Halloween special.
  • "My Favorite Things" from The Sound of Music: Snowflakes are mentioned, and some of the favorite things are vaguely winter-themed, like bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens, and the brown paper packages tied in string could conceivably be Christmas presents. It's hard to see how raindrops on roses or whiskers on kittens are, though, and winter explicitly melting into spring is very much not a Christmas thing.
  • Johann Pachelbel's Canon in D: What? I heard this tucked in between two Christmas songs at a Whataburger the other day. Is all classical music considered Christmas music now? Can we start getting the 1812 Overture and the Galop from Orpheus in the Underworld in our Christmas playlists then?

I'm alright with a few songs that bend the rules. So many holiday traditions have shape-shifted and transformed from other practices over the centuries, so I'm okay with a holiday-themed instrumental popping into the mix every so often.

If people can swear that Die Hard is a Christmas movie, then by golly, the upbeat ditty that also graced a Christmas Special can get the nod until the next shiny thing comes along for inclusion.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Rothman on December 16, 2021, 07:44:12 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 16, 2021, 07:29:14 PM
Quote from: Rothman on December 16, 2021, 07:27:46 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 16, 2021, 06:43:02 PM
Quote from: Rothman on December 16, 2021, 05:01:07 PM
Linus and Lucy's first use was in A Charlie Brown Christmas.

First use in a film–it was commissioned for a 1963 Charlie Brown documentary that was never released, and its first public release was on the Guaraldi album Jazz Impressions of A Boy Named Charlie Brown, containing all of the music he was commissioned to do for the documentary. A Charlie Brown Christmas wasn't released until the year after that album came out.
Psst:  No one cared about the album and people associate it with the cartoon that entered into the American zeitgeist.



Psssst: I'm saying they're wrong to do so.

(Personally, I like Vince Guaraldi more than I like Peanuts, so...)
Psssssssssst:  Popular opinion cannot be wrong.  It is a tune that is associated with the Christmas Special, no matter the existence of an obscure album.

Tilt at those windmills, Don Quixote.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Scott5114 on December 16, 2021, 08:23:41 PM
Quote from: Rothman on December 16, 2021, 07:44:12 PM
Popular opinion cannot be wrong. [...]

Tilt at those windmills, Don Quixote.

Three words: Interstate Maintenance funding.

Or if that's too obscure to count as "popular opinion", how about the one mile in five rule for Interstates?

Or, hell, any time the public elects a politician you don't like?
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: hbelkins on December 16, 2021, 09:29:51 PM
There are a number of songs you hear only at Christmas that could be categorized more broadly as winter songs, not Christmas songs.

"Jingle Bells" and "Frosty The Snowman" are two I can think of right away.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: formulanone on December 16, 2021, 09:31:58 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 16, 2021, 09:29:51 PM
"Frosty The Snowman"

Eh, that's quite an allegorical song.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: kurumi on December 17, 2021, 01:51:25 AM
Quote from: formulanone on December 16, 2021, 09:31:58 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 16, 2021, 09:29:51 PM
"Frosty The Snowman"

Eh, that's quite an allegorical song.

There's a great little horror tale about two kids walking to church who find the hat by itself on the ground. They recognize it looks like Frosty's hat but aren't convinced the magic is real. But they're already in trouble for being late, so there isn't much time to discuss it.

They arrive at the funeral and the boy drops the hat in Grandpa's casket. It works. Now they're in trouble.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: adventurernumber1 on December 17, 2021, 04:31:11 AM
Speaking of songs unrelated to Christmas, I have heard "Do You Want to Build a Snowman" from the movie Frozen played very often on the radio. It sounds completely out of place compared to the Christmas standards it's sandwiched between.  :hmm:   :hmmm:
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: SectorZ on December 17, 2021, 08:13:50 AM
Does anything play The Waitresses one Christmas song anymore?

I thought of it just because I heard their one non-Christmas song on XM recently.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: 1995hoo on December 17, 2021, 08:33:24 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on December 17, 2021, 08:13:50 AM
Does anything play The Waitresses one Christmas song anymore?

I thought of it just because I heard their one non-Christmas song on XM recently.

I heard that on BBC Radio One a while ago.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: hbelkins on December 17, 2021, 11:06:09 AM
Two more that are not really Christmas songs that you hear only at Christmas.

"Winter Wonderland" and "Baby It's Cold Outside." I'm surprised that any stations still play that last one since it's not politically correct anymore.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: tolbs17 on December 17, 2021, 12:30:00 PM
Jingle Bell, Jingle Bell, Jingle Bell Rock...

I don't know the rest of the lyrics...
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: vdeane on December 17, 2021, 12:59:55 PM
Quote from: kurumi on December 17, 2021, 01:51:25 AM
Quote from: formulanone on December 16, 2021, 09:31:58 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 16, 2021, 09:29:51 PM
"Frosty The Snowman"

Eh, that's quite an allegorical song.

There's a great little horror tale about two kids walking to church who find the hat by itself on the ground. They recognize it looks like Frosty's hat but aren't convinced the magic is real. But they're already in trouble for being late, so there isn't much time to discuss it.

They arrive at the funeral and the boy drops the hat in Grandpa's casket. It works. Now they're in trouble.
That sounds like an interesting story.  Does the hat do bad things when it's used on a corpse rather than a snowman?  Because the alternative would seem to be that someone was upset that Grandpa was alive again.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Henry on December 17, 2021, 01:21:39 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 17, 2021, 11:06:09 AM
Two more that are not really Christmas songs that you hear only at Christmas.

"Winter Wonderland" and "Baby It's Cold Outside." I'm surprised that any stations still play that last one since it's not politically correct anymore.
Another one: Let it Snow! Let it Snow! Let it Snow!

Quote from: 1995hoo on December 17, 2021, 08:33:24 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on December 17, 2021, 08:13:50 AM
Does anything play The Waitresses one Christmas song anymore?

I thought of it just because I heard their one non-Christmas song on XM recently.

I heard that on BBC Radio One a while ago.
The title of that song is Christmas Wrapping:

Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: catch22 on December 17, 2021, 02:34:17 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 16, 2021, 04:42:49 PM
A thing that bothers me is the recent inclusion of certain songs which are not Christmas music in Christmas playlists:

  • "Linus and Lucy" by Vince Guaraldi: Guaraldi scored a half-dozen Peanuts specials and some arrangement of "Linus and Lucy" appeared in every single one of them. It's no more Christmas music for appearing in the Peanuts Christmas special than it is Halloween music for appearing in the Halloween special.
  • "My Favorite Things" from The Sound of Music: Snowflakes are mentioned, and some of the favorite things are vaguely winter-themed, like bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens, and the brown paper packages tied in string could conceivably be Christmas presents. It's hard to see how raindrops on roses or whiskers on kittens are, though, and winter explicitly melting into spring is very much not a Christmas thing.
  • Johann Pachelbel's Canon in D: What? I heard this tucked in between two Christmas songs at a Whataburger the other day. Is all classical music considered Christmas music now? Can we start getting the 1812 Overture and the Galop from Orpheus in the Underworld in our Christmas playlists then?

My 6th grade class had to sing My Favorite Things in my elementary school's Christmas pageant way back when.  This was right around the time The Sound of Music movie was released.  I had seen the movie with my parents so I knew how the song fit in the storyline (Maria bonding with the children, not at all about Christmas).  I asked my teacher just what this song had to do with Christmas, and she said, "It just sounds like a Christmas song."  I was, and still am, unconvinced.

Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 17, 2021, 05:33:31 PM
Perhaps hearing Christmas before Thanksgiving or let alone Halloween could make people go feel like the grinch.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: jakeroot on December 21, 2021, 12:06:58 AM
https://youtu.be/BGzO1ghRKp4
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Henry on December 21, 2021, 10:21:57 AM
My guess is that SNL was going for a 60s theme with that video featuring a claymation version of the Supremes. And why wouldn't they, as NBC and Motown happen to be just two parts of the Universal entertainment empire?

Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 17, 2021, 05:33:31 PM
Perhaps hearing Christmas before Thanksgiving or let alone Halloween could make people go feel like the grinch.
Even more so after Christmas or even New Year's Day! Which is why the cutoff point should always be at midnight on December 26, even though the last song doesn't always end by that time.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: hotdogPi on December 21, 2021, 10:44:23 AM
Quoting from another thread.

Quote from: 1 on December 18, 2021, 08:07:19 AM
When listening to 104.9, if I stand in a particular location in my room, I get 104.5 instead.

Okay, this is really weird. I switched to the classical station (99.5) on December 20, as I like their Christmas music much better but they don't start until just before Christmas. (They're not even full-time Christmas until December 24.) The weird part: I get a lot of static except when I stand in a particular spot in the room (this includes when I'm in an adjacent room); somehow blocking the signal improves it.

Moving the radio from my desk to my bed fixed it; there's no more static no matter where I'm standing.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Takumi on December 21, 2021, 05:10:01 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 17, 2021, 11:06:09 AM
Two more that are not really Christmas songs that you hear only at Christmas.

"Winter Wonderland" and "Baby It's Cold Outside." I'm surprised that any stations still play that last one since it's not politically correct anymore.
I haven't heard "Baby It's Cold Outside"  this year. I've also not exactly been seeking it out, but my work radio is almost entirely Christmas now and I haven't heard it once. I've never heard more renditions of A Marshmallow World than I have this year, though. I'd never heard it before that Target ad about a decade ago.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: CtrlAltDel on December 21, 2021, 09:29:10 PM
Quote from: Takumi on December 21, 2021, 05:10:01 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 17, 2021, 11:06:09 AM
Two more that are not really Christmas songs that you hear only at Christmas.

"Winter Wonderland" and "Baby It's Cold Outside." I'm surprised that any stations still play that last one since it's not politically correct anymore.
I haven't heard "Baby It's Cold Outside"  this year. I've also not exactly been seeking it out, but my work radio is almost entirely Christmas now and I haven't heard it once. I've never heard more renditions of A Marshmallow World than I have this year, though. I'd never heard it before that Target ad about a decade ago.

I've also not heard that Christmas shoes song for a while either.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Rothman on December 21, 2021, 11:46:05 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on December 21, 2021, 09:29:10 PM
Quote from: Takumi on December 21, 2021, 05:10:01 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 17, 2021, 11:06:09 AM
Two more that are not really Christmas songs that you hear only at Christmas.

"Winter Wonderland" and "Baby It's Cold Outside." I'm surprised that any stations still play that last one since it's not politically correct anymore.
I haven't heard "Baby It's Cold Outside"  this year. I've also not exactly been seeking it out, but my work radio is almost entirely Christmas now and I haven't heard it once. I've never heard more renditions of A Marshmallow World than I have this year, though. I'd never heard it before that Target ad about a decade ago.

I've also not heard that Christmas shoes song for a while either.
I loathe that song with a passion because I consider the values it teaches to be galling.  Sure, he helps the kid out, but the kid believes he has to spend money because God evidently cares about what we wear on our feet when we die.  One of those songs that pulls at your heartstrings, but then you think about it and it can be horrifying.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Henry on December 23, 2021, 10:22:37 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 21, 2021, 11:46:05 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on December 21, 2021, 09:29:10 PM
Quote from: Takumi on December 21, 2021, 05:10:01 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 17, 2021, 11:06:09 AM
Two more that are not really Christmas songs that you hear only at Christmas.

"Winter Wonderland" and "Baby It's Cold Outside." I'm surprised that any stations still play that last one since it's not politically correct anymore.
I haven't heard "Baby It's Cold Outside"  this year. I've also not exactly been seeking it out, but my work radio is almost entirely Christmas now and I haven't heard it once. I've never heard more renditions of A Marshmallow World than I have this year, though. I'd never heard it before that Target ad about a decade ago.

I've also not heard that Christmas shoes song for a while either.
I loathe that song with a passion because I consider the values it teaches to be galling.  Sure, he helps the kid out, but the kid believes he has to spend money because God evidently cares about what we wear on our feet when we die.  One of those songs that pulls at your heartstrings, but then you think about it and it can be horrifying.
Speaking of songs I hate, there's that Chipmunks song. Alvin is always late on his cue (as opposed to the other two immediately replying), and it irritates the hell out of director David Seville (I hope I have it right). The yelling alone is enough to ruin the song too.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: 1995hoo on December 23, 2021, 10:29:00 AM
I have gotten "Disco Santa" stuck in my head after hearing it last weekend.

Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: CtrlAltDel on December 23, 2021, 06:47:54 PM
It's not really music, but I thought some of you might get a kick out an ornament I received this year to commemorate my recent move to Texas:

(https://i.imgur.com/OHnclhW.jpg)
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Scott5114 on December 23, 2021, 06:53:41 PM
Not only does it include a detailed road system, but it even correctly depicts Lawton OK as the great big giant hole that it is!

/me ducks, hoping Bobby5280 isn't reading this :D
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: vdeane on December 25, 2021, 03:19:56 PM
A couple years ago, a local radio station made a "12 Things at Christmas that Upstate Gave to Me" video (by "upstate", they really mean the Capital District).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT7qPamock4

There's also a fair amount of Star Trek remixes of Christmas songs.  My favorites are "12 Days of Star Trek", "Wonderful Deep Space Nine", "Tuvok the Vessel's Vulcan", and "All I Want for Christmas is Q"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiSn2JuDQSc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85n9ye73DjE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cCTgRax94o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmrMuwcpKkY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JDjkUswzvQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy6mtBjQmW0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KvWwJ6sh5s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7s7X9LdNDs
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: golden eagle on January 04, 2022, 04:22:03 PM
Some radio stations stuck with all-Christmas even after Christmas. Since it fell on a Saturday, I expected a good number of stations to stick with it on Sunday. A couple went way beyond. B98.5 in Little Rock went back to regular programming on New Year's Eve, while Magic 99.5 in Albuquerque did through New Year's weekend.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: Henry on January 05, 2022, 10:14:50 AM
Quote from: golden eagle on January 04, 2022, 04:22:03 PM
Some radio stations stuck with all-Christmas even after Christmas. Since it fell on a Saturday, I expected a good number of stations to stick with it on Sunday. A couple went way beyond. B98.5 in Little Rock went back to regular programming on New Year's Eve, while Magic 99.5 in Albuquerque did through New Year's weekend.
That's far too late to hear Christmas music! I miss the days when stations would resume their regular format at midnight on December 26, and to keep playing it on New Year's Day is totally unacceptable. New Year's Eve is fine, though, as I'd expect it to end with some variant of Auld Lang Syne, most notably the one that the late Dan Fogelberg made famous back in '80...

Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: GaryV on January 05, 2022, 01:08:00 PM
Well today (Jan 5) is the 12th day of Christmas, after all.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on January 05, 2022, 01:17:05 PM
Last year, 100.9 FM in Richmond continued playing Christmas music until March due to an ownership and format change.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: jp the roadgeek on January 05, 2022, 01:25:26 PM
There are only 2 times a year when Christmas music is appropriate.

1. Between Black Friday and Christmas Night
2. Any time after March 15th when it's ridiculously cold and/or snowy.

And ALL Christmas lights should be down after January 6th.  It's fine through the 12 Days and for Three Kings Day, but it ends after that.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: 1995hoo on January 05, 2022, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on January 05, 2022, 01:25:26 PM
There are only 2 times a year when Christmas music is appropriate.

1. Between Black Friday and Christmas Night
2. Any time after March 15th when it's ridiculously cold and/or snowy.

And ALL Christmas lights should be down after January 6th.  It's fine through the 12 Days and for Three Kings Day, but it ends after that.

Unless someone is Russian Orthodox. They celebrate Christmas on January 7.

We leave our Christmas lights (and tree) up and lit through and including January 6. After that, they stay up (but unlit) until we have time to take them down (and the weather permits, as to the outdoor lights), which is usually the weekend after January 6 but is sometimes the MLK weekend.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: triplemultiplex on January 05, 2022, 03:52:37 PM
Since the extension cord always gets frozen into the ground under the snow, I just leave up the lights out front until it thaws.  So depending on the winter, late March?

I dislike a lot of the BS that comes with Christmas, but I do have a soft spot for stringing up some lights.  It's fun.  And it looks neat-o to have an evergreen shrub topped with snow and glowing lights within.
Title: Re: Christmas Music Already
Post by: ET21 on January 06, 2022, 09:15:42 AM
Icicle lights you could probably keep lit through the winter