I'll kick things off (pun intended) with my predictions for the New Year's Six Bowls:
Cotton: Notre Dame (Independent) over Houston (AAC and highest ranked G5 champion)
Orange: Clemson (ACC champion) over Kentucky (SEC East 2nd place)
Sugar: Texas A&M (SEC West 2nd place) over Oklahoma (Big 12 Champion)
Rose: Oregon (PAC 12 North Champion) over Michigan (Big Ten East 2nd place)
CFP/Peach: Alabama (SEC Champion) over Utah (PAC 12 Champion)
CFP/Fiesta: Ohio State (BIG Champion) over Georgia (SEC East winner)
CFP Final: Alabama over Ohio State
I think the defending national champions will at least make it back to the CFP final game.
Go Dawgs!
I made my W-L predictions for the SEC a few days ago...
SEC West:
1. Alabama (11-1)
2. Arkansas (9-3)
3. Texas A&M (9-3)
4. Ole Miss (9-3)
5. LSU (7-5)
6. Mississippi State (6-6)
7. Auburn (3-9)
SEC East:
1. Georgia (12-0)
2. Kentucky (10-2)
3. Tennessee (8-4)
4. Florida (6-6)
5. South Carolina (5-7)
6. Missouri (5-7)
7. Vanderbilt (2-10)
I also expect Alabama to beat Georgia in the SEC championship again.
Go NIU Huskies, lets go back to back again in the MAC
I think with some of the shakeups going on in the world of CFP, I'm eager to see if Bobby Hauck and his band of maroon and silver clad boys can finally bring the biggie home for Montana. It's been 21 years since the 2001 D1AA/FCS title game against Furman and 27 years from the first D1AA/FCS title game against Marshall. Early predictions from Leerfield have Montana in a favorable position. The biggest thing to notch off the list of rivals this upcoming season is Idaho. Since Idaho is back in FCS play, they've ramped up a bit on their gameplay. There are two new schools we haven't played yet. Northwestern State and Indiana State. It'll be interesting to see how these two square up. Idaho State has sort of been a bur up Montana's backside over the last few years. Eastern Washington is an FCS magnet. They've got a pretty stout roster in several areas. And yes, them dadgum skitty kitties of Montana State! If coach Hauck and his boys notch them off at the "Brawl of the Wild" game, they'll be in pretty sound territory to make another FCS playoff run.
One of the last seasons untill CFB is ruined by UCLA and USC joining the Big 10.
As I said in another thread recently, one phrase you will never hear me say is "Roll Tide."
The number of bandwagon Alabama fans around here amazes me. Even diehard Kentucky fans root for the Tide. And they like to throw off on Ohio State.
The only time I ever root for Tennessee is when the Vols are playing Alabama.
Everyone has these great expectations for UK football this year. I think Wildcat fans are in for a bit of a letdown.
Quote from: hbelkins on August 11, 2022, 03:43:04 PM
The number of bandwagon Alabama fans around here amazes me. Even diehard Kentucky fans root for the Tide. And they like to throw off on Ohio State.
The SEC fanbase has this weird fetish of "if not my team, better another SEC team than someone else" even if it's a bitter rival of their school. I don't understand it at all. You'll never catch me dead rooting for Wisconsin (in any sport), Ohio State (football), or Michigan (football).
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 12, 2022, 05:29:48 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 11, 2022, 03:43:04 PM
The number of bandwagon Alabama fans around here amazes me. Even diehard Kentucky fans root for the Tide. And they like to throw off on Ohio State.
The SEC fanbase has this weird fetish of "if not my team, better another SEC team than someone else" even if it's a bitter rival of their school. I don't understand it at all. You'll never catch me dead rooting for Wisconsin (in any sport), Ohio State (football), or Michigan (football).
That's because the rest of the country hates us. In particular, fans of Big Ten teams love to hate SEC teams, despite the fact that the Big Ten conference has a lot more influence on college football in general than the SEC does.
Quote from: ran4sh on August 12, 2022, 06:40:56 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 12, 2022, 05:29:48 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 11, 2022, 03:43:04 PM
The number of bandwagon Alabama fans around here amazes me. Even diehard Kentucky fans root for the Tide. And they like to throw off on Ohio State.
The SEC fanbase has this weird fetish of "if not my team, better another SEC team than someone else" even if it's a bitter rival of their school. I don't understand it at all. You'll never catch me dead rooting for Wisconsin (in any sport), Ohio State (football), or Michigan (football).
That's because the rest of the country hates us. In particular, fans of Big Ten teams love to hate SEC teams, despite the fact that the Big Ten conference has a lot more influence on college football in general than the SEC does.
I think the big reason that people dislike SEC teams is that they're afraid to play games farther north than Lexington.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 12, 2022, 10:10:39 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 12, 2022, 06:40:56 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 12, 2022, 05:29:48 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 11, 2022, 03:43:04 PM
The number of bandwagon Alabama fans around here amazes me. Even diehard Kentucky fans root for the Tide. And they like to throw off on Ohio State.
The SEC fanbase has this weird fetish of "if not my team, better another SEC team than someone else" even if it's a bitter rival of their school. I don't understand it at all. You'll never catch me dead rooting for Wisconsin (in any sport), Ohio State (football), or Michigan (football).
That's because the rest of the country hates us. In particular, fans of Big Ten teams love to hate SEC teams, despite the fact that the Big Ten conference has a lot more influence on college football in general than the SEC does.
I think the big reason that people dislike SEC teams is that they're afraid to play games farther north than Lexington.
Nah. It's because they're good. People will say stuff, maybe "the media favors them" or "they're scared to play north of Kentucky" . But really, people hate them because they're good.
Did anyone else see that hail Mary from the App State game today? I was at that game and thought we were done for only for that to happen. It was so exciting I got chills as I was storming the field with my group (probably also because I was drunk). That is definitely gonna be something to remember.
^^ Unfortunitely there were multiple traumatic injuries in the celebration. https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/college-football/multiple-traumatic-injuries-reported-at-appalachian-states-field-after-last-second-win-over-troy/
Quote from: index on September 17, 2022, 11:04:52 PM
Did anyone else see that hail Mary from the App State game today? I was at that game and thought we were done for only for that to happen. It was so exciting I got chills as I was storming the field with my group (probably also because I was drunk). That is definitely gonna be something to remember.
your signature says ETSU, that's not ASU
My boys are surprisingly 3-0. Big campaign going on to get Gameday next week against similarly 3-0 Duke.
UMASS WON. I would have been at the game but I got covid :(
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 18, 2022, 01:47:06 AM
UMASS WON. I would have been at the game but I got covid :(
Heh. A true miracle.
Been a good season for upsets so far.
Very happy UMass won. But I don't know why (besides exposure and $) Toledo plays Ohio State.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 18, 2022, 01:47:06 AM
UMASS WON. I would have been at the game but I got covid :(
And they now have the non-"conference" tiebreaker over UConn; this could become crucial in December :-)
Quote from: Alps on September 18, 2022, 01:09:32 AM
Quote from: index on September 17, 2022, 11:04:52 PM
Did anyone else see that hail Mary from the App State game today? I was at that game and thought we were done for only for that to happen. It was so exciting I got chills as I was storming the field with my group (probably also because I was drunk). That is definitely gonna be something to remember.
your signature says ETSU, that's not ASU
Just because I don't go there anymore for school doesn't mean I can't go to the games.
Herm Edwards has been let go at Arizona State, after losing to Eastern Michigan at home last night. Should have happened after last season. He is just not a college coach.
https://arizonasports.com/story/2692730/herm-edwards-arizona-state-football-agree-to-part-ways/
Quote from: index on September 18, 2022, 05:14:34 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 18, 2022, 01:09:32 AM
Quote from: index on September 17, 2022, 11:04:52 PM
Did anyone else see that hail Mary from the App State game today? I was at that game and thought we were done for only for that to happen. It was so exciting I got chills as I was storming the field with my group (probably also because I was drunk). That is definitely gonna be something to remember.
your signature says ETSU, that's not ASU
Just because I don't go there anymore for school doesn't mean I can't go to the games.
Oh you went there for a year? My bad, then it makes perfect sense!
An absolutely pathetic blowout loss at home for my Yellow Jackets this weekend. Yes, Ole Miss is ranked and good, but they aren't shutout-42-to-zero-in-Atlanta good. That's the kind of thing I would only expect to see from the likes of georgia or Alabama.
The on-field talent isn't that bad either - we've had decent recruiting classes for the last several years and managed to retain most of them (big exception is Jahmyr Gibbs, who was so good he transferred to Alabama and I don't blame him one bit). The problem is the coaching. Last year we fired our offensive coordinator and a couple of other coaches, but our head coach Collins absolutely needs to go. My bet is he gets fired either after this season or midway through after an especially bad loss. He took over a program that wasn't necessarily championship caliber but could at least be competitive in the ACC...and ran it into the ground. A new coach would energize the team and also the fanbase who is sick of the last three years of constant hype videos and marketing and branding with no on-field product to back it up.
Montana just made Portland State a write-off. They're still in the top five FCS rankings, but, at one point, they were #2. Despite the three non-conference wins, plus the home win today, three other teams already snagged their first in-conference wins in early outings. That's Montana State, Northern Colorado, and Idaho. Sacramento State hasn't played an in-conference game yet, but they're #4 and the Grizzlies now sit at #5 with a 4-0 outing after roasting Portland State 53-16. Idaho is next then Idaho State the following week, so it'll be interesting to see how Montana plays out in what I will dub the "Potato Series". The Idaho game is at home while Idaho State is a road game.
Discussion in the NFL thread about TB's Sunday game likely getting moved got me wondering about college football.
Games that, to varying degrees, could be impacted Saturday:
Eastern Washington at Florida (Gainesville)
Wake Forest at Florida State (Tallahassee) [officially acknowledged that alternative plans are in place but no announcement on where that is or when a decision will be made]
SMU at Central Florida (Orlando)
East Carolina at South Florida (Tampa) [unconfirmed reports that the game has been moved to FAU at Boca Raton]
North Carolina State at Clemson
South Carolina State at South Carolina (Columbia) has already been moved from Saturday to Thursday
Updates:
ECU at USF move to Boca Raton confirmed
EWU at UF moved to Sunday noon
I really hope KU and TCU both win this weekend so that GameDay will come to Lawrence for the first time ever the following week.
Does anyone actually believe that UK is the eighth-best college football team?
Me neither.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 28, 2022, 01:03:30 PM
Does anyone actually believe that UK is the eighth-best college football team?
Me neither.
ESPN FPI has them 30th. Massey's composite of dozens of computer rankings has them 12th. I don't think they're the 8th best but they're pretty good. They have a coach who's gotten them about as far as a basketball school in the SEC is ever going to get.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2022, 01:06:03 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 28, 2022, 01:03:30 PM
Does anyone actually believe that UK is the eighth-best college football team?
Me neither.
ESPN FPI has them 30th. Massey's composite of dozens of computer rankings has them 12th. I don't think they're the 8th best but they're pretty good. They have a coach who's gotten them about as far as a basketball school in the SEC is ever going to get.
There was a pretty public brouhaha recently when Calipari proclaimed UK (which got bounced out of the tournament in the first game last year and in the year before that, had the worst record in modern history) a basketball school. The football coaching staff, including Vince Marrow and Stoops, didn't take too kindly to that.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 28, 2022, 08:42:56 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2022, 01:06:03 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 28, 2022, 01:03:30 PM
Does anyone actually believe that UK is the eighth-best college football team?
Me neither.
ESPN FPI has them 30th. Massey's composite of dozens of computer rankings has them 12th. I don't think they're the 8th best but they're pretty good. They have a coach who's gotten them about as far as a basketball school in the SEC is ever going to get.
There was a pretty public brouhaha recently when Calipari proclaimed UK (which got bounced out of the tournament in the first game last year and in the year before that, had the worst record in modern history) a basketball school. The football coaching staff, including Vince Marrow and Stoops, didn't take too kindly to that.
Kentucky football has 3 bowl wins, two of which were against ranked teams, since Kentucky basketball's last NCAA tournament win.
Montana QB Lucas Johnson left the Idaho State game a few minutes ago leaving 2nd stringer Kris Brown to task of keeping the Griz win streak alive. The Griz were strong in the first half, but I am suspicious about their second half. They kind of flopped it in the fourth letting the Idaho State Bengals catch up to within 8 with under a minute left in the game. The Griz can ill afford to lose Lucas Johnson. They have the home game next week as part 2 of the "Potato Series" I dubbed last week. If they put Kris Brown at center for that game, which is probably the likely scenario, that's gonna be a tough one. They almost let that game get away on them with about 7:00 minutes left, but hang on the #1 and get the W for five straight games.
Yet another disappointment for UW. 4th wasted season in 5 years. To me last year's loss at Minnesota should have been the nail in Chryst's coffin. I felt like the only one calling for his job . . . not anymore. This team is playing 1960 football in 2022 and it's not working. I'm fine with a team that is built around a physical defense and productive run game, but it's unbelievable that the passing attack has been this bad for so long, and this team is going nowhere until that is fixed. We've all seen enough to know that Chryst is not the guy to fix it.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 27, 2022, 01:19:07 PM
I really hope KU and TCU both win this weekend so that GameDay will come to Lawrence for the first time ever the following week.
Well that was/is bizarre.
https://twitter.com/CollegeGameDay/status/1576398205381931009
Quote from: thspfc on October 01, 2022, 10:44:14 PM
Yet another disappointment for UW. 4th wasted season in 5 years. To me last year's loss at Minnesota should have been the nail in Chryst's coffin. I felt like the only one calling for his job . . . not anymore. This team is playing 1960 football in 2022 and it's not working. I'm fine with a team that is built around a physical defense and productive run game, but it's unbelievable that the passing attack has been this bad for so long, and this team is going nowhere until that is fixed. We've all seen enough to know that Chryst is not the guy to fix it.
Had a Don Morton flashback yesterday. X-(
UConn was and still is not a good team, even if all starters were healthy. They're in most "bottom 10" lists this season.
But yesterday a 19-14 victory over Fresno State (first over a 1-A errrr FBS opponent since 2019) was a little spark of happiness.
Quote from: Big John on October 02, 2022, 02:52:58 AM
Quote from: thspfc on October 01, 2022, 10:44:14 PM
Yet another disappointment for UW. 4th wasted season in 5 years. To me last year's loss at Minnesota should have been the nail in Chryst's coffin. I felt like the only one calling for his job . . . not anymore. This team is playing 1960 football in 2022 and it's not working. I'm fine with a team that is built around a physical defense and productive run game, but it's unbelievable that the passing attack has been this bad for so long, and this team is going nowhere until that is fixed. We've all seen enough to know that Chryst is not the guy to fix it.
Had a Don Morton flashback yesterday. X-(
I'm a long time Badgers fan, and I'm not usually a "fire the coach" guy after one or two bad games, but it may be time to move on from Chryst. The game has passed him by. Even bringing in a new offensive coordinator has done nothing to improve the offense. Chryst was the offensive coordinator during the Bert Bielema years, and they had some of the highest scoring offenses in school history. I'm not sure how this is even the same coach.
Chryst fired, Leonhard named interim coach: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/paul-chryst-has-been-fired-as-wisconsin-badgers-head-football-coach/ar-AA12vM2p
Dang, if this wasn't one of my more accurate takes. I felt like the only one on the "fire Chryst" bandwagon.
Quote from: thspfc on November 27, 2021, 10:47:58 PM
I don't understand the notion that Paul Chryst can have the Wisconsin job as long as he wants to no matter what. He inherited a program that typically finished with 2-4 losses each season, and he is averaging 3.3 losses per season, including half-length 2020. With the amount of talent that Wisconsin has relative to the other teams in the west - significantly more than everyone except for Iowa and occasionally Minnesota - I would not be surprised if Chryst's seat warms up a little by this time next year.
Quote from: Big John on October 02, 2022, 08:48:09 PM
Chryst fired, Leonhard named interim coach: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/paul-chryst-has-been-fired-as-wisconsin-badgers-head-football-coach/ar-AA12vM2p
I was suprised they fired him now. I thought they would wait until the end of the season to make a decision. I guess now at least they get to see what Leonhard can do as head coach and/or get a jump on finding a replacement. I just hope the coaching change doesn't set the program back even further if the next head coach doesn't work out.
Quote from: tchafe1978 on October 02, 2022, 09:01:52 PM
Quote from: Big John on October 02, 2022, 08:48:09 PM
Chryst fired, Leonhard named interim coach: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/paul-chryst-has-been-fired-as-wisconsin-badgers-head-football-coach/ar-AA12vM2p
I was suprised they fired him now. I thought they would wait until the end of the season to make a decision. I guess now at least they get to see what Leonhard can do as head coach and/or get a jump on finding a replacement. I just hope the coaching change doesn't set the program back even further if the next head coach doesn't work out.
The UW Athletic Department didn't want the Badgers' recent on-the-field performance to become an issue in the upcoming governor election?
:hmmm:
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on October 02, 2022, 10:14:16 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on October 02, 2022, 09:01:52 PM
Quote from: Big John on October 02, 2022, 08:48:09 PM
Chryst fired, Leonhard named interim coach: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/paul-chryst-has-been-fired-as-wisconsin-badgers-head-football-coach/ar-AA12vM2p
I was suprised they fired him now. I thought they would wait until the end of the season to make a decision. I guess now at least they get to see what Leonhard can do as head coach and/or get a jump on finding a replacement. I just hope the coaching change doesn't set the program back even further if the next head coach doesn't work out.
The UW Athletic Department didn't want the Badgers' recent on-the-field performance to become an issue in the upcoming governor election?
:hmmm:
Mike
How are those two things even remotely related?
Quote from: tchafe1978 on October 02, 2022, 10:39:55 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 02, 2022, 10:14:16 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on October 02, 2022, 09:01:52 PM
Quote from: Big John on October 02, 2022, 08:48:09 PM
Chryst fired, Leonhard named interim coach: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/paul-chryst-has-been-fired-as-wisconsin-badgers-head-football-coach/ar-AA12vM2p
I was suprised they fired him now. I thought they would wait until the end of the season to make a decision. I guess now at least they get to see what Leonhard can do as head coach and/or get a jump on finding a replacement. I just hope the coaching change doesn't set the program back even further if the next head coach doesn't work out.
The UW Athletic Department didn't want the Badgers' recent on-the-field performance to become an issue in the upcoming governor election?
:hmmm:
Mike
How are those two things even remotely related?
Because football is such a big deal in Wisconsin?
Quote from: KCRoadFan on October 02, 2022, 11:46:33 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on October 02, 2022, 10:39:55 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 02, 2022, 10:14:16 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on October 02, 2022, 09:01:52 PM
Quote from: Big John on October 02, 2022, 08:48:09 PM
Chryst fired, Leonhard named interim coach: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/paul-chryst-has-been-fired-as-wisconsin-badgers-head-football-coach/ar-AA12vM2p
I was suprised they fired him now. I thought they would wait until the end of the season to make a decision. I guess now at least they get to see what Leonhard can do as head coach and/or get a jump on finding a replacement. I just hope the coaching change doesn't set the program back even further if the next head coach doesn't work out.
The UW Athletic Department didn't want the Badgers' recent on-the-field performance to become an issue in the upcoming governor election?
:hmmm:
Mike
How are those two things even remotely related?
Because football is such a big deal in Wisconsin?
Years have faded the details in my memory, but at one point the UK football coaching situation was waded into by a Kentucky governor.
Speaking of UK, the Wildcats really got exposed at Ole Miss Saturday. As I noted in the Dish/Disney dispute thread, I missed the game due to running errands away from home Saturday, but I listened to bits and pieces on the radio. I didn't even bother to watch the recording of the game; I deleted it unwatched. I don't think UK will finish any better than 9-3 now. I anticipate losses to Tennessee and Georgia.
Quote from: gonealookin on October 02, 2022, 01:07:04 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 27, 2022, 01:19:07 PM
I really hope KU and TCU both win this weekend so that GameDay will come to Lawrence for the first time ever the following week.
Well that was/is bizarre.
https://twitter.com/CollegeGameDay/status/1576398205381931009
Toughest game of the year so far, but I think we can barely pull it off.
Happy for Jim Leonhard; he's from my neck of the woods. I went to school with some of his cousins.
Heck, my brother called this like five years ago. "Jimmy's gonna be head coach one day." That day is here.
Trying to be The Onion: https://www.dailycardinal.com/article/2022/10/breaking-paul-chryst-fired-over-microwaving-tuna-sandwich-in-break-room-again
Quote from: Big John on October 03, 2022, 09:45:55 PM
Trying to be The Onion: https://www.dailycardinal.com/article/2022/10/breaking-paul-chryst-fired-over-microwaving-tuna-sandwich-in-break-room-again
Would have been justified.
Quote from: thspfc on October 03, 2022, 10:35:05 PM
Quote from: Big John on October 03, 2022, 09:45:55 PM
Trying to be The Onion: https://www.dailycardinal.com/article/2022/10/breaking-paul-chryst-fired-over-microwaving-tuna-sandwich-in-break-room-again
Would have been justified.
Man, he could have poached a nice perch from Lake Mendota and he would have been just fine had he nuked that.
:-o
Mike
First game without Chryst, and Mertz has the second best game of his career. I get that it's a bad Northwestern team, but UW has played plenty of bad teams over the last few years, with the passing game almost never looking as good as today. Also refreshing to pound on Northwestern who was a pain in Wisconsin's side during Chryst's tenure whether they were good or not.
Quote from: thspfc on October 08, 2022, 08:34:04 PM
First game without Chryst, and Mertz has the second best game of his career. I get that it's a bad Northwestern team, but UW has played plenty of bad teams over the last few years, with the passing game almost never looking as good as today. Also refreshing to pound on Northwestern who was a pain in Wisconsin's side during Chryst's tenure whether they were good or not.
Makes one wonder if Chryst really was holding the offense back. Maybe now that he's gone, offensive coordinator Bobby Engram will have some freedom to open up the playbook and not just run twice straight up the gut for 2 yards, then pass incomplete on 3rd down. Time will tell, and I'm not going to get too excited yet, but it's at least a good start.
Kentucky is swirling down the toilet. Say goodbye to a 10-win season and a New Year's Six bowl, and hello to being lucky to go 8-4 and a bid to some bowl in BF Egypt.
Yes, Levis was hurt, but the defense played horribly against South Carolina.
From everything I have heard, I'm glad I got to hang out with old friends on Saturday night instead of watching FSU lose.
Georgia Tech though...despite the refs' finest efforts to hand the game to Duke in the final minute, the Yellow Jackets pulled through and won in overtime. Tech would never have won that game with Collins. Good riddance.
Syracuse up to 6-0.
Welp, the Griz lost the stein last Saturday. It's part of FCS lore that if Montana or Idaho wins, one of those teams gets to hold on to what's called the "Little Brown Stein". That's the trophy given to the winning team, and unfortunately, that was the now 56-time overall champion of the Little Brown Stein, the Vandals of the University of Idaho. I say 56-time because they've won the stein about 30 times before Montana and Idaho were chartered in to the Big Sky Conference in 1963. I don't have a clue what toppled Montana sideways during that game, but, that's not good considering their long history together in FCS.
I cheer for Tennessee exactly once a year.
After last Saturday, I hope the Vols lose every game.
A former UVa football player shot four current players and one other person, killing three of the players. This weekend's game against Coastal Carolina has been cancelled. Next weekend's game at Virginia Tech seems unlikely to get played.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 17, 2022, 07:20:40 AM
A former UVa football player shot four current players and one other person, killing three of the players. This weekend's game against Coastal Carolina has been cancelled. Next weekend's game at Virginia Tech seems unlikely to get played.
As bad as VT and UVA are this year, I am expecting it to be canceled. There is no reason for either team to play IMO.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 17, 2022, 07:20:40 AM
A former UVa football player shot four current players and one other person, killing three of the players. This weekend's game against Coastal Carolina has been cancelled. Next weekend's game at Virginia Tech seems unlikely to get played.
That's terrible. This is quite upsetting since I'm a UVA fan from nearby Greene County.
People who called for Harbaugh's job a couple years ago, what do you think now?
As a VT fan, I am very happy for Shane Beamer after South Carolina's last two weeks.
Why all the hate for Ohio State from so many corners? I see more dislike for tOSU than I do Alabama, Notre Dame, and Michigan combined.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 26, 2022, 06:57:08 PM
I see more dislike for tOSU than I do Alabama, Notre Dame, and Michigan combined.
My mileage varies on that one.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 26, 2022, 06:57:08 PM
Why all the hate for Ohio State from so many corners? I see more dislike for tOSU than I do Alabama, Notre Dame, and Michigan combined.
Because THE Ohio State University believes that they are THE ultimate college football team (not so much in basketball or other sports, but it carries over) in the whole USA. ESPN's ridiculous love-fest over the years has only made matters worse.
They are to college football as the Yankees are to baseball, the Cowboys are to the NFL, the Lakers are to the NBA, and Duke is to college basketball (I don't think there's an equivalent in the NHL). They are the teams the nation loves to hate, outside of their own markets, of course.
They're hated because of their successes, past and present (mostly past), but when they fail (see: LeBron's Lakers. ESPECIALLY LeBron's Lakers), it's fair game to pile on. And today, it's been fair game to pile onto the abject failure of THE Columbus Suckeyes to beat Michigan for the second year in a row.
Too bad, so sad, buhbye. NOPLAYOFFSFORYOU! :)
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on November 26, 2022, 10:56:17 PM
They are to college football as the Yankees are to baseball, the Cowboys are to the NFL, the Lakers are to the NBA, and Duke is to college basketball (I don't think there's an equivalent in the NHL). They are the teams the nation loves to hate, outside of their own markets, of course.
That's Notre Dame you're thinking of (and I say this as a fan of the Irish.) Or Alabama.
The only reason I'm happy Michigan won is that their rivalry with OSU had been pretty one-sided until recently and I don't like seeing things as one-sided.
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 26, 2022, 11:21:26 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on November 26, 2022, 10:56:17 PM
They are to college football as the Yankees are to baseball, the Cowboys are to the NFL, the Lakers are to the NBA, and Duke is to college basketball (I don't think there's an equivalent in the NHL). They are the teams the nation loves to hate, outside of their own markets, of course.
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That's Notre Dame you're thinking of (and I say this as a fan of the Irish.) Or Alabama.
The only reason I'm happy Michigan won is that their rivalry with OSU had been pretty one-sided until recently and I don't like seeing things as one-sided.
There are plenty of fan bases that think they're God's gift to college football. Notre Dame, Michigan, Alabama, stand out but to a lesser extent Clemson, USC, and every single SEC school save perhaps Kentucky and Vanderbilt. Ohio State and their fans are far less detestable than Michigan to most fans in the Midwest outside of Michigan.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 26, 2022, 11:25:29 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 26, 2022, 11:21:26 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on November 26, 2022, 10:56:17 PM
They are to college football as the Yankees are to baseball, the Cowboys are to the NFL, the Lakers are to the NBA, and Duke is to college basketball (I don't think there's an equivalent in the NHL). They are the teams the nation loves to hate, outside of their own markets, of course.
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That's Notre Dame you're thinking of (and I say this as a fan of the Irish.) Or Alabama.
The only reason I'm happy Michigan won is that their rivalry with OSU had been pretty one-sided until recently and I don't like seeing things as one-sided.
There are plenty of fan bases that think they're God's gift to college football. Notre Dame, Michigan, Alabama, stand out but to a lesser extent Clemson, USC, and every single SEC school save perhaps Kentucky and Vanderbilt. Ohio State and their fans are far less detestable than Michigan to most fans in the Midwest outside of Michigan.
Disagree. I hate Michigan and Ohio State equally with the exception that I root for Michigan when they play each other.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 26, 2022, 06:57:08 PM
Why all the hate for Ohio State from so many corners? I see more dislike for tOSU than I do Alabama, Notre Dame, and Michigan combined.
If OSU took out the "t", they wouldn't be so hated. The "thee" is very pretentious.
Conference championship games are set:
CUSA: North Texas vs Texas-San Antonio
PAC-12: Utah vs Southern Cal
MAC: Toledo vs Ohio
Big 12: Kansas State vs TCU
Sun Belt: Coastal Carolina vs Troy
Mountain West: Fresno St vs Boise St
American: Central Florida vs Tulane
SEC: LSU vs Georgia
ACC: Clemson vs North Carolina
Big Ten: Purdue vs Michigan
Georgia is in the playoff win or lose, though probably not seeded #1 if they lose.
Michigan is probably in win or lose.
TCU and Southern Cal both need to win to get in.
Ohio State and Alabama are teams not playing who could back in if other teams lose.
UCF-Tulane winner gets the G5 bid, to either the Orange or Cotton Bowls.
Clemson-UNC winner to the Orange Bowl.
Kansas State to the Sugar Bowl if they win and probably also if they lose.
Utah to the Rose Bowl if they win and probably also if they lose.
Ohio State to the Rose Bowl unless they get in the playoff then it's Penn State.
If LSU wins they go to the Sugar Bowl, if they lose it's Alabama or Tennessee.
Looks like Luke Fickell, coach of Cincinatti, is set to become the next coach at Wisconsin. A total surprise to nearly eveyone, especially us Badgers fans. The odds on favorite was interim coach Jim Leonhard. Leonhard was the hometown boy, having grown up in Wisconsin and played for the Badgers. But I can see the desire to bring someone in from outside with a new perspective. Things had gotten stale in Madison. The offense had little creativity, the QB Mertz never really progressed, and penalties and mistakes were all too common. Let's hope it all works out!
Quote from: tchafe1978 on November 27, 2022, 05:34:18 PM
Looks like Luke Fickell, coach of Cincinatti, is set to become the next coach at Wisconsin. A total surprise to nearly eveyone, especially us Badgers fans. The odds on favorite was interim coach Jim Leonhard. Leonhard was the hometown boy, having grown up in Wisconsin and played for the Badgers. But I can see the desire to bring someone in from outside with a new perspective. Things had gotten stale in Madison. The offense had little creativity, the QB Mertz never really progressed, and penalties and mistakes were all too common. Let's hope it all works out!
I'm cautiously optimistic. The program needed somebody fresh and contemporary, which Fickell is. But G5-to-P5 hires don't have the best track record recently.
What gets me about Alabama is that there are so many people who root for them when they have other teams they're loyal to. i swear, I know some UK football fans who'd have a serious quandary if the Wildcats were playing the Tide.
I can understand people who live in northern Kentucky being tired of tOSU fans because they probably interact with so many of them because they're so close to the river, but the hatred seems to permeate the country.
What I don't understand is the idea of conference loyalty. Ask some Kentuckians who root for the Tide and they'll go "SEC, SEC!" Not me. Those teams are our enemies. It does me no good if a team from the SEC wins the championship.
My dislike for Alabama football is so strong that I root for Tennessee when the two teams play. And I never root for Tennessee under any condition otherwise. And it's precisely because of all these misguided Kentuckians who yell "Roll Tide" as easily as they do "Go Big Blue."
an Ohio State University
Quote from: hbelkins on November 27, 2022, 08:18:47 PM
What gets me about Alabama is that there are so many people who root for them when they have other teams they're loyal to. i swear, I know some UK football fans who'd have a serious quandary if the Wildcats were playing the Tide.
I can understand people who live in northern Kentucky being tired of tOSU fans because they probably interact with so many of them because they're so close to the river, but the hatred seems to permeate the country.
What I don't understand is the idea of conference loyalty. Ask some Kentuckians who root for the Tide and they'll go "SEC, SEC!" Not me. Those teams are our enemies. It does me no good if a team from the SEC wins the championship.
My dislike for Alabama football is so strong that I root for Tennessee when the two teams play. And I never root for Tennessee under any condition otherwise. And it's precisely because of all these misguided Kentuckians who yell "Roll Tide" as easily as they do "Go Big Blue."
I have several co-workers who are Kentucky basketball and Alabama football fans.
Quote from: thspfc on November 27, 2022, 06:16:30 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on November 27, 2022, 05:34:18 PM
Looks like Luke Fickell, coach of Cincinatti, is set to become the next coach at Wisconsin. A total surprise to nearly eveyone, especially us Badgers fans. The odds on favorite was interim coach Jim Leonhard. Leonhard was the hometown boy, having grown up in Wisconsin and played for the Badgers. But I can see the desire to bring someone in from outside with a new perspective. Things had gotten stale in Madison. The offense had little creativity, the QB Mertz never really progressed, and penalties and mistakes were all too common. Let's hope it all works out!
I'm cautiously optimistic. The program needed somebody fresh and contemporary, which Fickell is. But G5-to-P5 hires don't have the best track record recently.
Same here. Being that Fickell has big Ten roots and experience has me being optimistic. My own personal preference was Leonard as he is a UW guy but with his youth and NFL experience felt he had a good shot to help UW football evolve into the current NCAA landscape. With Chryst they were slowly, but surely, heading towards irrelevancy.
Do feel UW, like Nebraska, know with UCLA and USC joining in conference in 2024 they have to get their acts together. Just a hunch but think ESPN and other sports experts will consistently keep picking Michigan, Ohio St, USC, and maybe Penn St to be the cream of the crop. Nebraska hopes that hiring right coach will get them back to that discussion as they believe they are a Ohio State/Alabama level when things are right program. Those same experts will have UW finishing no better than 5th(guessing lumped in with Iowa, Minnesota, Purdue, UCLA level of teams).
UW won't be an Ohio St, Notre Dame, Alabama type program where their fans think it's their birthright to be in the national title picture.....but UW is on the level that they could be in that discussion some years and should almost always be a top 25 program.
Do hope they made right choice here
College football is all about who you can recruit. That's the primary reason why certain schools dominate the Cartel League. The inertia of success gets more studs to pick them so they keep winning and become annoying to fans of other teams. Not to mention more boring, lopsided games they might as well not even play because one side is effectively a minor league pro team and the other is guys who couldn't land a scholarship at a dominant program.
UW thinks Fickell is a guy who can get people to come to Madison and play. We'll see. Wisconsin has only ever had one NFL-caliber quarterback in my lifetime and that's what you need to realistically compete. Otherwise you're just another Big10 proving ground for future NFL linemen.
At the end of the day, I can't help but feel like it's futile to try and chase that dragon. Even if it succeeds, then what? Now you're the jerk-ass team everyone hates because they are in the mix all the time and everyone is bored of it. You're the dork flying the colors of the team that usually wins and sports media swoons over even though you didn't go to school there.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 27, 2022, 09:05:53 AM
Conference championship games are set:
CUSA: North Texas vs Texas-San Antonio
PAC-12: Utah vs Southern Cal
MAC: Toledo vs Ohio
Big 12: Kansas State vs TCU
Sun Belt: Coastal Carolina vs Troy
Mountain West: Fresno St vs Boise St
American: Central Florida vs Tulane
SEC: LSU vs Georgia
ACC: Clemson vs North Carolina
Big Ten: Purdue vs Michigan
Georgia is in the playoff win or lose, though probably not seeded #1 if they lose.
Michigan is probably in win or lose.
TCU and Southern Cal both need to win to get in.
Ohio State and Alabama are teams not playing who could back in if other teams lose.
UCF-Tulane winner gets the G5 bid, to either the Orange or Cotton Bowls.
Clemson-UNC winner to the Orange Bowl.
Kansas State to the Sugar Bowl if they win and probably also if they lose.
Utah to the Rose Bowl if they win and probably also if they lose.
Ohio State to the Rose Bowl unless they get in the playoff then it's Penn State.
If LSU wins they go to the Sugar Bowl, if they lose it's Alabama or Tennessee.
I would put 12-1 TCU over 11-1 Ohio State unless TCU gets blown out. USC needs to win however. Bama should not get in the playoffs under any circumstance, even if all top 4 teams lose they would still be behind 1 loss UGA/Michigan/TCU and 1 lose tOSU.
/me ughs at Utah beating USC
/me also ughs at Ohio State and/or Alabama being poised to weasel back into the playoff
/me also also ughs at conference expansionism, but that train has sailed
/me yays at post 100… it only took him almost ten years wtf
Quote from: Halian on December 03, 2022, 03:45:17 PM
/me ughs at Utah beating USC
/me also ughs at Ohio State and/or Alabama being poised to weasel back into the playoff
/me also also ughs at conference expansionism, but that train has sailed
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Quote from: Hunty2022 on December 03, 2022, 03:47:03 PMQuote from: Halian on December 03, 2022, 03:45:17 PM/me ughs at Utah beating USC
/me also ughs at Ohio State and/or Alabama being poised to weasel back into the playoff
/me also also ughs at conference expansionism, but that train has sailed
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Quote from: Halian on December 03, 2022, 03:45:17 PM
/me also also ughs at conference expansionism, but that train has sailed
I think someone got their analogies mixed up here... :poke:
Quote from: Halian on December 03, 2022, 03:45:17 PM
/me also ughs at Ohio State and/or Alabama being poised to weasel back into the playoff
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tOSU deserves to be in before Bama, and there's no reason either of them should get in ahead of TCU just because of one loss today.
It should be Georgia-Michigan-Ohio State-TCU
It will be Georgia-Michigan-TCU-Ohio State
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 03, 2022, 10:03:11 PM
It should be Georgia-Michigan-Ohio State-TCU
It will be Georgia-Michigan-TCU-Ohio State
It should be Georgia-Michigan-TCU-Clemson, IMO. I would take an 11-2 conference champion over an 11-1 team that didn't even compete in the championship.
1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. TCU
4. Ohio State
Alabama is closer to Washington and Clemson than the playoffs.
I saw that Deion Sanders, fresh off a 12-0 season at Jackson State, will be taking over next year as the new coach at Colorado, who went 1-11 this season. Any chance he could lead them back to their late 80's/early 90's glory days? What do you think?
Quote from: hbelkins on December 03, 2022, 08:32:36 PM
Quote from: Halian on December 03, 2022, 03:45:17 PM/me also ughs at Ohio State and/or Alabama being poised to weasel back into the playoff
tOSU deserves to be in before Bama, and there's no reason either of them should get in ahead of TCU just because of one loss today.
IMO, neither of them should be in, since neither of them even played for their conference's championship, let alone won it.
^^^
Ohio State-Michigan was the de facto B1G championship game.
I don't really care who's in and who's out, except Alabama's out, which makes me happy. Heard that Saban was basically begging in the media yesterday for Bama to be in.
Only game I'll be watching is UK-Iowa in the Music City Bowl.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 04, 2022, 09:33:23 PM
I don't really care who's in and who's out, except Alabama's out, which makes me happy. Heard that Saban was basically begging in the media yesterday for Bama to be in.
I listened to his sales pitch on ESPN. Much as I would've liked to see Alabama replace Ohio State, I wasn't convinced his pitch would do the trick, as it didn't.
But I was delighted to watch Utah convincingly knock the University of Spoiled Children out of playoff contention on Friday night, even though that opened the door for Ohio State to back into a playoff berth.
Quote from: Alps on December 04, 2022, 12:57:22 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 03, 2022, 10:03:11 PM
It should be Georgia-Michigan-Ohio State-TCU
It will be Georgia-Michigan-TCU-Ohio State
It should be Georgia-Michigan-TCU-Clemson, IMO. I would take an 11-2 conference champion over an 11-1 team that didn't even compete in the championship.
As an ND alum/fan, I can tell you that ND flat ran right over Clemson and ND isn't even that good. No way Clemson is one of the four best teams.
The playoff is supposed to take the four best teams.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 04, 2022, 09:33:23 PM
^^^
Ohio State-Michigan was the de facto B1G championship game.
I don't really care who's in and who's out, except Alabama's out, which makes me happy. Heard that Saban was basically begging in the media yesterday for Bama to be in.
Only game I'll be watching is UK-Iowa in the Music City Bowl.
Yup. I'm mostly happy Alabama is out. I agree it should be Clemson instead of OSU. The football championship should be the best four teams from four different conferences, preferably the Power 5 but if a Cincinnati or Boise State plays balls out all year and wins their conference without losing any games I won't lose sleep over a non-Power 5 team not being in.
Quote from: skluth on December 05, 2022, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 04, 2022, 09:33:23 PM
^^^
Ohio State-Michigan was the de facto B1G championship game.
I don't really care who's in and who's out, except Alabama's out, which makes me happy. Heard that Saban was basically begging in the media yesterday for Bama to be in.
Only game I'll be watching is UK-Iowa in the Music City Bowl.
Yup. I'm mostly happy Alabama is out. I agree it should be Clemson instead of OSU. The football championship should be the best four teams from four different conferences, preferably the Power 5 but if a Cincinnati or Boise State plays balls out all year and wins their conference without losing any games I won't lose sleep over a non-Power 5 team not being in.
Clemson had a bad loss to an alright team, a close loss to an alright team, and a ton of unimpressive wins from a weak conference. Did you have an issue with National Championship winning Georgia making the playoffs last year?
Quote from: skluth on December 05, 2022, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 04, 2022, 09:33:23 PM
^^^
Ohio State-Michigan was the de facto B1G championship game.
I don't really care who's in and who's out, except Alabama's out, which makes me happy. Heard that Saban was basically begging in the media yesterday for Bama to be in.
Only game I'll be watching is UK-Iowa in the Music City Bowl.
Yup. I'm mostly happy Alabama is out. I agree it should be Clemson instead of OSU. The football championship should be the best four teams from four different conferences, preferably the Power 5 but if a Cincinnati or Boise State plays balls out all year and wins their conference without losing any games I won't lose sleep over a non-Power 5 team not being in.
There's no major US sport, college or professional, that doesn't let non-champions into its playoff. I don't know why college football should be different.
I want to see the four best teams. Ohio State and TCU are clearly among the four best teams. Clemson, Kansas State and Utah are not.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 06, 2022, 06:46:02 AM
Quote from: skluth on December 05, 2022, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 04, 2022, 09:33:23 PM
^^^
Ohio State-Michigan was the de facto B1G championship game.
I don't really care who's in and who's out, except Alabama's out, which makes me happy. Heard that Saban was basically begging in the media yesterday for Bama to be in.
Only game I'll be watching is UK-Iowa in the Music City Bowl.
Yup. I'm mostly happy Alabama is out. I agree it should be Clemson instead of OSU. The football championship should be the best four teams from four different conferences, preferably the Power 5 but if a Cincinnati or Boise State plays balls out all year and wins their conference without losing any games I won't lose sleep over a non-Power 5 team not being in.
There's no major US sport, college or professional, that doesn't let non-champions into its playoff. I don't know why college football should be different.
I want to see the four best teams. Ohio State and TCU are clearly among the four best teams. Clemson, Kansas State and Utah are not.
The problem is that the college football playoff selection process is highly subjective. So is the NCAA basketball tournament selection process. You don't get that with the pro system, which goes on W-L records.
I've never understood why mid-major basketball conferences like the OVC have conference tournaments. You can have a great team that runs away with the regular season championship and could possibly make a deep run into the NCAA tournament, but it gets upset in the conference tourney by a team with a .500 record, and that team gets the bid to go be a 16-seed against Kentucky or Duke or North Carolina, while the conference regular season champ is left begging for an NIT bid.
As long as playoff participants are selected by a subjective process and not on something quantifiable, there will always be questions and disgruntled coaches and fans.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 06, 2022, 01:12:54 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 06, 2022, 06:46:02 AM
Quote from: skluth on December 05, 2022, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 04, 2022, 09:33:23 PM
^^^
Ohio State-Michigan was the de facto B1G championship game.
I don't really care who's in and who's out, except Alabama's out, which makes me happy. Heard that Saban was basically begging in the media yesterday for Bama to be in.
Only game I'll be watching is UK-Iowa in the Music City Bowl.
Yup. I'm mostly happy Alabama is out. I agree it should be Clemson instead of OSU. The football championship should be the best four teams from four different conferences, preferably the Power 5 but if a Cincinnati or Boise State plays balls out all year and wins their conference without losing any games I won't lose sleep over a non-Power 5 team not being in.
There's no major US sport, college or professional, that doesn't let non-champions into its playoff. I don't know why college football should be different.
I want to see the four best teams. Ohio State and TCU are clearly among the four best teams. Clemson, Kansas State and Utah are not.
The problem is that the college football playoff selection process is highly subjective. So is the NCAA basketball tournament selection process. You don't get that with the pro system, which goes on W-L records.
I've never understood why mid-major basketball conferences like the OVC have conference tournaments. You can have a great team that runs away with the regular season championship and could possibly make a deep run into the NCAA tournament, but it gets upset in the conference tourney by a team with a .500 record, and that team gets the bid to go be a 16-seed against Kentucky or Duke or North Carolina, while the conference regular season champ is left begging for an NIT bid.
As long as playoff participants are selected by a subjective process and not on something quantifiable, there will always be questions and disgruntled coaches and fans.
Conference tournaments would make far, far less money if the NCAA bid weren't on the line.
Things have become less subjective than they used to be. There is a metric called strength of record, which is essentially how hard it was to achieve your record against your schedule. The top four teams in that metric were the four teams selected for the playoff.
This year may be the perfect year to go back to the one game championship. There's a clear #1 and #2. Just have TCU play Ohio State at one of the semifinal sites and repurpose the other semifinal game. It's too late now but it would work if they had this programmed from the start. Just have a provision if there are only two undefeated Power 5 schools, the NCAA Championship will be played between those two schools. Reinforces the NCAA Football slogan of "Every Game Counts."
Clemson over Ohio State? Pfft. Pick the 4 best teams.
I never liked conference tournaments in college basketball. The idea that a team could still earn an NCAA bid even if they lost every single regular season game really puts me off. Make the games matter. Give the autobids to regular season conference champions and start the NCAA tournament immediately after the regular season is done.
Quote from: skluth on December 06, 2022, 02:55:55 PM
This year may be the perfect year to go back to the one game championship. There's a clear #1 and #2. Just have TCU play Ohio State at one of the semifinal sites and repurpose the other semifinal game. It's too late now but it would work if they had this programmed from the start. Just have a provision if there are only two undefeated Power 5 schools, the NCAA Championship will be played between those two schools. Reinforces the NCAA Football slogan of "Every Game Counts."
TV $$$ says that will not happen. The Conferences wouldn't get as much $$$ without the playoff tournament, because they would have one less game airing in the inventory. "Every Game Counts?" More like "Every $$$ Counts" That is the NCAA slogan
Exactly why they are in a big hurry to grow the FBS Playoff Tournament to 12 teams, because extra tournament game inventory = more TV $$$
Precisely why it is an absolute farce any time they mention the term "Student-Athlete"
So how many autograph selfies of me, with my TOSU diploma & the National Championship Trophy do I need to have for the Ohio roadmeet (starting at TOSU campus) in April?
:poke: :) :evilgrin:
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 06, 2022, 07:28:51 PM
Quote from: skluth on December 06, 2022, 02:55:55 PM
This year may be the perfect year to go back to the one game championship. There's a clear #1 and #2. Just have TCU play Ohio State at one of the semifinal sites and repurpose the other semifinal game. It's too late now but it would work if they had this programmed from the start. Just have a provision if there are only two undefeated Power 5 schools, the NCAA Championship will be played between those two schools. Reinforces the NCAA Football slogan of "Every Game Counts."
TV $$$ says that will not happen. The Conferences wouldn't get as much $$$ without the playoff tournament, because they would have one less game airing in the inventory. "Every Game Counts?" More like "Every $$$ Counts" That is the NCAA slogan
Exactly why they are in a big hurry to grow the FBS Playoff Tournament to 12 teams, because extra tournament game inventory = more TV $$$
Precisely why it is an absolute farce any time they mention the term "Student-Athlete"
At most schools the concept of student-athlete was long gone before the TV $$$ got huge. Only at places like Northwestern, Stanford, Notre Dame, does the term still legitimately apply.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 06, 2022, 01:17:22 PM
Conference tournaments would make far, far less money if the NCAA bid weren't on the line.
The SEC Tournament at a big venue is going to make money. Most of it from UK fans who travel to see the conference tourney games, as tickets are often easier to come by than home game tickets; there's a reason the phrase "blue gets in" is often heard in March.
The OVC Tournament in Evansville isn't going to be a money maker.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 07, 2022, 02:00:04 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 06, 2022, 01:17:22 PM
Conference tournaments would make far, far less money if the NCAA bid weren't on the line.
The SEC Tournament at a big venue is going to make money. Most of it from UK fans who travel to see the conference tourney games, as tickets are often easier to come by than home game tickets; there's a reason the phrase "blue gets in" is often heard in March.
The OVC Tournament in Evansville isn't going to be a money maker.
ESPN pays the OVC a fair amount of money to televise the final, which they wouldn't do without an NCAA bid on the line.
I would argue that with conference expansion, the conference basketball tournaments are more relevant than they used to be for purposes of picking the conference champion, even with their importance otherwise being watered down by NCAA Tournament expansion. I'll use the ACC as an example because it's the one with which I'm most familiar due to having attended two ACC universities. The ACC used to play a double round-robin regular season–everyone played everyone else twice, home and away. That system lasted until 2004, when the league expanded to 11 teams (it now has 15), such that maintaining that schedule was unacceptable because it meant too many conference games (all the more so now, obviously). The conference schedule now has 20 games, but that's still not a double round-robin as that would require 28 games. Every team has two "primary rivals" where the two opponents meet twice every season (Duke and UNC being the best-known example). But even that in theory causes problems because some of those matchups are more difficult ones between teams that are usually powerhouses (Duke and UNC again being a good example, UNC's struggles the past few weeks notwithstanding) and others are between teams that are more inconsistent from year to year (Miami and VPI, for instance, or NC State and Wake Forest). So the unbalanced schedule theoretically creates a level of competitive imbalance by giving some teams an easier schedule and other teams a harder schedule in any given year, a problem from which the double round-robin didn't suffer because everyone played the exact same schedule.
So, in principle, the conference tournament is a far more valid way of deciding the league championship than may have been the case in the past. Dean Smith was adamant in his endless complaining about the ACC Tournament because he said the double round-robin was more meaningful, although I think his gripe was more sour grapes based on his teams not winning the tournament as often as they finished in first place (UNC has finished the regular season in first place 32 times but has "only" won the ACC championship 18 times, whereas Duke has finished in first place 20 times but has won the ACC championship 21 times). As a general matter, he was probably right about the double round-robin proving more of the course of a full season. But the tournament was part of league rules from the very beginning in 1953, so it was never going to go away.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 07, 2022, 02:00:04 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 06, 2022, 01:17:22 PM
Conference tournaments would make far, far less money if the NCAA bid weren't on the line.
The SEC Tournament at a big venue is going to make money. Most of it from UK fans who travel to see the conference tourney games, as tickets are often easier to come by than home game tickets; there's a reason the phrase "blue gets in" is often heard in March.
The OVC Tournament in Evansville isn't going to be a money maker.
Even though the Summit League's HQ is in Sioux Falls, the only way either the Summit League mens/womens tournaments make any money (even after factoring ESPN2 broadcasting the men's final) is if either the USD Coyotes or the SDSU Jackrabbits are playing in those finals. Luckily for the Summit League, both the Coyotes and Jackrabbits have been fixtures in the men's and women's (especially the women's) finals the last few years.
Mississippi State head coach Mike Leach passed away last night after suffering a massive heart attack over the weekend. He was 61. MSU actually has a bowl game on January 2nd but I'm not sure it will be played now.
https://twitter.com/HailStateFB/status/1602664206389706755
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on December 13, 2022, 11:53:44 AM
Mississippi State head coach Mike Leach passed away last night after suffering a massive heart attack over the weekend. He was 61. MSU actually has a bowl game on January 2nd but I'm not sure it will be played now.
https://twitter.com/HailStateFB/status/1602664206389706755
Think they will play game in his honor I would think. What better way as a tribute to him would be a bowl game win?
Whatever the athletes and school decide we should be okay with. It's their team and coach
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 06, 2022, 07:28:51 PM
Quote from: skluth on December 06, 2022, 02:55:55 PM
This year may be the perfect year to go back to the one game championship. There's a clear #1 and #2. Just have TCU play Ohio State at one of the semifinal sites and repurpose the other semifinal game. It's too late now but it would work if they had this programmed from the start. Just have a provision if there are only two undefeated Power 5 schools, the NCAA Championship will be played between those two schools. Reinforces the NCAA Football slogan of "Every Game Counts."
TV $$$ says that will not happen. The Conferences wouldn't get as much $$$ without the playoff tournament, because they would have one less game airing in the inventory. "Every Game Counts?" More like "Every $$$ Counts" That is the NCAA slogan
Exactly why they are in a big hurry to grow the FBS Playoff Tournament to 12 teams, because extra tournament game inventory = more TV $$$
Precisely why it is an absolute farce any time they mention the term "Student-Athlete"
I agree it's all about the money. Of course three televised tournament games will pay more than one tourney game and one of many other bowl games even if it's between #3 and #4. I just wish that this year it had been like the old setup where #1 plays #2 because they're the last two undefeated Power 5 teams.
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Mississippi State head coach Mike Leach passed away last night after suffering a massive heart attack over the weekend. He was 61. MSU actually has a bowl game on January 2nd but I'm not sure it will be played now.
https://twitter.com/HailStateFB/status/1602664206389706755
Think they will play game in his honor I would think. What better way as a tribute to him would be a bowl game win?
Whatever the athletes and school decide we should be okay with. It's their team and coach
I'd be OK with the team not wanting to play, but the game is one of the higher profile bowl games and it's too late to get a replacement. I don't know if there's any kind of contingency fund that exists to provide the bowl organizers with some money in case they lose their game.
Tragic and sudden loss of one of the greats.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 13, 2022, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: gr8daynegb on December 13, 2022, 11:55:50 AM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on December 13, 2022, 11:53:44 AM
Mississippi State head coach Mike Leach passed away last night after suffering a massive heart attack over the weekend. He was 61. MSU actually has a bowl game on January 2nd but I'm not sure it will be played now.
https://twitter.com/HailStateFB/status/1602664206389706755
Think they will play game in his honor I would think. What better way as a tribute to him would be a bowl game win?
Whatever the athletes and school decide we should be okay with. It's their team and coach
I'd be OK with the team not wanting to play, but the game is one of the higher profile bowl games and it's too late to get a replacement. I don't know if there's any kind of contingency fund that exists to provide the bowl organizers with some money in case they lose their game.
For the covid year there was contingencies, but I believe that was more for the outside the higher profile bowls. Being the game is 3 weeks away I'm almost certain they are playing (and this is the former athlete in me speaking) because how better to pay tribute to the man than to win a game for him. It's understandable if they don't. Big issue becomes all those that already paid for planes, hotels, tickets etc to go watch the game on how they get money back as depending on the path those people took their ability to get a refund may be difficult.
RIP Coach Leach. There is a great 60 Minutes segment from 2009 on what made him so unique.
Leach was an assistant for two years at UK under Hal Mumme. He made Tim Couch into the player he was.
Didn't some team back out of a bowl last year because of illness? That being said, I think they would play to honor Leach's memory.
Am I the only one bugged by this trend of players opting out of bowl games? Two of UK's best players (QB Will Levis and RB Chris Rodriguez) announced they don't plan to play in the Music City Bowl.
I'm not a fan of this at all. Way to be a team player [/sarcasm]
Quote from: hbelkins on December 13, 2022, 06:34:20 PM
Leach was an assistant for two years at UK under Hal Mumme. He made Tim Couch into the player he was.
Didn't some team back out of a bowl last year because of illness? That being said, I think they would play to honor Leach's memory.
Am I the only one bugged by this trend of players opting out of bowl games? Two of UK's best players (QB Will Levis and RB Chris Rodriguez) announced they don't plan to play in the Music City Bowl.
I'm not a fan of this at all. Way to be a team player [/sarcasm]
From a fan's perspective it indeed sucks, but from a player's perspective, it's the logical choice if you're going to be a relatively high draft pick. No sense in risking injury, and millions of dollars, in a game that will at best marginally improve your draft stock.
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Quote from: hbelkins on December 13, 2022, 06:34:20 PM
Leach was an assistant for two years at UK under Hal Mumme. He made Tim Couch into the player he was.
Didn't some team back out of a bowl last year because of illness? That being said, I think they would play to honor Leach's memory.
Am I the only one bugged by this trend of players opting out of bowl games? Two of UK's best players (QB Will Levis and RB Chris Rodriguez) announced they don't plan to play in the Music City Bowl.
I'm not a fan of this at all. Way to be a team player [/sarcasm]
From a fan's perspective it indeed sucks, but from a player's perspective, it's the logical choice if you're going to be a relatively high draft pick. No sense in risking injury, and millions of dollars, in a game that will at best marginally improve your draft stock.
From a coach's standpoint it's nice because it's more playing time for guys who will be there next year.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 13, 2022, 10:01:40 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 13, 2022, 07:54:43 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 13, 2022, 06:34:20 PM
Leach was an assistant for two years at UK under Hal Mumme. He made Tim Couch into the player he was.
Didn't some team back out of a bowl last year because of illness? That being said, I think they would play to honor Leach's memory.
Am I the only one bugged by this trend of players opting out of bowl games? Two of UK's best players (QB Will Levis and RB Chris Rodriguez) announced they don't plan to play in the Music City Bowl.
I'm not a fan of this at all. Way to be a team player [/sarcasm]
From a fan's perspective it indeed sucks, but from a player's perspective, it's the logical choice if you're going to be a relatively high draft pick. No sense in risking injury, and millions of dollars, in a game that will at best marginally improve your draft stock.
From a coach's standpoint it's nice because it's more playing time for guys who will be there next year.
And if you are that starters backup it's your chance to get noticed right now instead of waiting until next season. Or at worst the extra practices one spot up the depth chart can't hurt
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 13, 2022, 12:40:42 PM
I'd be OK with the team not wanting to play, but the game is one of the higher profile bowl games and it's too late to get a replacement. I don't know if there's any kind of contingency fund that exists to provide the bowl organizers with some money in case they lose their game.
Is the ReliaQuest Bowl really one of the higher profile bowl games?
In any event the players apparently want to play, so it's a moot point.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on December 14, 2022, 02:19:33 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 13, 2022, 12:40:42 PM
I'd be OK with the team not wanting to play, but the game is one of the higher profile bowl games and it's too late to get a replacement. I don't know if there's any kind of contingency fund that exists to provide the bowl organizers with some money in case they lose their game.
Is the ReliaQuest Bowl really one of the higher profile bowl games?
It's been a Jan 1 game for a long time.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 15, 2022, 06:34:26 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on December 14, 2022, 02:19:33 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 13, 2022, 12:40:42 PM
I'd be OK with the team not wanting to play, but the game is one of the higher profile bowl games and it's too late to get a replacement. I don't know if there's any kind of contingency fund that exists to provide the bowl organizers with some money in case they lose their game.
Is the ReliaQuest Bowl really one of the higher profile bowl games?
It's been a Jan 1 game for a long time.
Better formerly known as the Outback Bowl.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 15, 2022, 07:06:07 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 15, 2022, 06:34:26 AM
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Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 13, 2022, 12:40:42 PM
I'd be OK with the team not wanting to play, but the game is one of the higher profile bowl games and it's too late to get a replacement. I don't know if there's any kind of contingency fund that exists to provide the bowl organizers with some money in case they lose their game.
Is the ReliaQuest Bowl really one of the higher profile bowl games?
It's been a Jan 1 game for a long time.
Better formerly known as the Outback Bowl.
And before they sold out, it was the Hall of Fame Bowl.
Seems like every year, I think I've heard the stupidest bowl name ever and there's no way there will be a dumber name, but every year, they top themselves.
Used to be the name of the bowl gave you some idea where it was being played. Orange Bowl? Florida. Peach Bowl? Georgia. Fiesta Bowl? Arizona. Rose Bowl? Uh, maybe at the stadium with that name?
But where the hell is the RederpaQuest Bowl?
Quote from: Big John on December 16, 2022, 08:59:30 AM
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Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 13, 2022, 12:40:42 PM
I'd be OK with the team not wanting to play, but the game is one of the higher profile bowl games and it's too late to get a replacement. I don't know if there's any kind of contingency fund that exists to provide the bowl organizers with some money in case they lose their game.
Is the ReliaQuest Bowl really one of the higher profile bowl games?
It's been a Jan 1 game for a long time.
Better formerly known as the Outback Bowl.
And before they sold out, it was the Hall of Fame Bowl.
So more or less the ReliaQuest Bowl is a mid-tier bowl game.
I find it ironic that Tennessee and Clemson, two teams with orange as their color, are playing in the Orange Bowl.
Quote from: gr8daynegb on December 16, 2022, 11:09:40 AM
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Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 13, 2022, 12:40:42 PM
I'd be OK with the team not wanting to play, but the game is one of the higher profile bowl games and it's too late to get a replacement. I don't know if there's any kind of contingency fund that exists to provide the bowl organizers with some money in case they lose their game.
Is the ReliaQuest Bowl really one of the higher profile bowl games?
It's been a Jan 1 game for a long time.
Better formerly known as the Outback Bowl.
And before they sold out, it was the Hall of Fame Bowl.
So more or less the ReliaQuest Bowl is a mid-tier bowl game.
Yes, much like the Gator Bowl and the Florida Citrus Bowl are now.
The
Outback Bowl, now the ReliaQuest Bowl is played at Raymond James Stadium in Tampa.
Oregon State 30 Florida 3
At least the Pac-12 will not have an 0-fer and the SEC will not win them all!
Just suffered a gut punch at the end of the Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl, with UCLA losing to Pittsburgh on a late field goal and an intercepted Hail Mary, 37-35.
Quote from: ran4sh on August 09, 2022, 07:23:52 PM
I think the defending national champions will at least make it back to the CFP final game.
Go Dawgs!
Nothing like good defensive games played in the National Semifi----oh, I'm sorry. It kind of reminded me of Arena Football or 7-on-7 practice. I saw Princeton Tigers basketball game scores lower than these two games--when they had Pete Carril coaching there.
Don't get me wrong, I do like the occasional high scoring game, like 47-45 (Hail Flutie!). However, with Georgia and Michigan giving up 12.8 ppg and 13.4 ppg respectively going into the National Semifinal games, one would have expected scores like 24-23 or 33-27, not 42-41 and 51-45. But, that is the way College Football is going nowadays.
Wake Forest and ACC career TD pass leader Sam Hartman is transferring to Notre Dame as a grad transfer.
There haven't been many worse obliterations in championship games than Georgia's 65-7 thrashing of TCU. I guess famously the Chicago Bears beat the Washington Redskins 73-0 in the NFL championship game in 1940. That game was "only" 28-0 at halftime; Georgia had a 38-7 lead at halftime tonight.
Quote from: gonealookin on January 09, 2023, 11:07:06 PM
There haven't been many worse obliterations in championship games than Georgia's 65-7 thrashing of TCU. I guess famously the Chicago Bears beat the Washington Redskins 73-0 in the NFL championship game in 1940. That game was "only" 28-0 at halftime; Georgia had a 38-7 lead at halftime tonight.
Kent State and Auburn played Georgia better than TCU did.
Another two "obliterations" in championship games, though not to the extent of Georgia's, were San Francisco defeating Denver 55-10 in Super Bowl XXIV and Washington defeating Denver 42-10 after spotting them a 10-0 lead before scoring 35 points in the second quarter of Super Bowl XXII.
I wonder how the Michigan Wolverines feel about last night.
Only reason I watched until the end of the 3rd was for the new Ant Man trailer :-D
Once they picked off TCU just before halftime and got the ball back first in the 2nd half I knew it was over
Boy, I just took a glance at the box score for the Georgia-Michigan game. I'd attribute the 34-11 score more for Michigan's hilarious meltdown than Georgia dominating them for most of the contest. You can pretty much tell that once Georgia went past two touchdowns, there wasn't any comeback to be had. Gonna be a long, blue off-season for the Wolverines for sure.
Colorado and Arizona are moving to the Big 12.
Washington and Oregon are moving to the Big 10.
The PAC-12 is effectively dead.
^^ PAC 6?
Quote from: Big John on August 04, 2023, 03:08:42 PM
^^ PAC 6?
My guess is that the six remaining schools merge with some of the stronger MWC schools. Likely Boise St, San Diego St, Wyoming, Air Force, Fresno St, San Jose St.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 04, 2023, 03:16:42 PM
Quote from: Big John on August 04, 2023, 03:08:42 PM
^^ PAC 6?
My guess is that the six remaining schools merge with some of the stronger MWC schools. Likely Boise St, San Diego St, Wyoming, Air Force, Fresno St, San Jose St.
Assuming for discussion purposes that happens, the school that has to feel the most satisfied about the way everything shook out might well be BYU. When the Pac-10 was looking to expand, BYU was interested, but the Pac-10 wouldn't give them the time of day (motivated mostly by general West Coast liberalism wanting nothing to do with a conservative religious institution, with the University of California—Berkeley by all accounts being the most vocal about it). BYU's landed in the Big 12, the Pac-12 is falling apart, and the institution that was the most vocal about excluding BYU lands in the Mountain West, the conference BYU left?
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 04, 2023, 03:44:23 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 04, 2023, 03:16:42 PM
Quote from: Big John on August 04, 2023, 03:08:42 PM
^^ PAC 6?
My guess is that the six remaining schools merge with some of the stronger MWC schools. Likely Boise St, San Diego St, Wyoming, Air Force, Fresno St, San Jose St.
Assuming for discussion purposes that happens, the school that has to feel the most satisfied about the way everything shook out might well be BYU. When the Pac-10 was looking to expand, BYU was interested, but the Pac-10 wouldn't give them the time of day (motivated mostly by general West Coast liberalism wanting nothing to do with a conservative religious institution, with the University of California—Berkeley by all accounts being the most vocal about it). BYU's landed in the Big 12, the Pac-12 is falling apart, and the institution that was the most vocal about excluding BYU lands in the Mountain West, the conference BYU left?
Possibly, but the rumor is that Cal (and Stanford) are looking into joining the Big Ten as well.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on August 04, 2023, 03:47:56 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 04, 2023, 03:44:23 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 04, 2023, 03:16:42 PM
Quote from: Big John on August 04, 2023, 03:08:42 PM
^^ PAC 6?
My guess is that the six remaining schools merge with some of the stronger MWC schools. Likely Boise St, San Diego St, Wyoming, Air Force, Fresno St, San Jose St.
Assuming for discussion purposes that happens, the school that has to feel the most satisfied about the way everything shook out might well be BYU. When the Pac-10 was looking to expand, BYU was interested, but the Pac-10 wouldn't give them the time of day (motivated mostly by general West Coast liberalism wanting nothing to do with a conservative religious institution, with the University of California—Berkeley by all accounts being the most vocal about it). BYU's landed in the Big 12, the Pac-12 is falling apart, and the institution that was the most vocal about excluding BYU lands in the Mountain West, the conference BYU left?
Possibly, but the rumor is that Cal (and Stanford) are looking into joining the Big Ten as well.
There is such a rumor, but if you re-read the first six words of my comment you'll see I was addressing a specific scenario posted by NWI_Irish96.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 04, 2023, 03:16:42 PM
Quote from: Big John on August 04, 2023, 03:08:42 PM
^^ PAC 6?
My guess is that the six remaining schools merge with some of the stronger MWC schools. Likely Boise St, San Diego St, Wyoming, Air Force, Fresno St, San Jose St.
PAC 4 or 5 - Arizona State will likely follow Arizona, and I wouldn't be surprised if Utah does as well. Cal and Stanford are still holding out hope that the Big 10 offers them a spot at reduced revenue - the Big 10 presidents are supposedly in favor, as they bring excellence in academics and non-revenue sports, plus a top media market and a large alumni base in the Bay Area. Fox and ESPN only care about eyeballs and dollars, and with football and basketball struggling at both schools, it's not clear how that might play out. OSU and WSU would fit well in the MWC.
Ultimately this was a failure of Pac-12 leadership to get ahead of both conference expansion and television deals. They had the chance to add Texas and Oklahoma (and maybe others) in 2010, but let it slip away, getting only Colorado and Utah. Once USC and UCLA announced last year that they were leaving, Pac-12 leadership should have done anything and everything to replace their marquee programs and get any sort of television deal nailed down. Instead, they twiddled their thumbs, worrying that San Diego State would somehow lower their academic bar while ignoring that it's now a regular top-20 program in both football and basketball.
As long as the NFL doesn't have a bona fide minor/developmental league like the other big sports, college football will continue down the path of chasing the dollar and drift further away from the concept of the student-athlete.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 04, 2023, 03:51:33 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on August 04, 2023, 03:47:56 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 04, 2023, 03:44:23 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 04, 2023, 03:16:42 PM
Quote from: Big John on August 04, 2023, 03:08:42 PM
^^ PAC 6?
My guess is that the six remaining schools merge with some of the stronger MWC schools. Likely Boise St, San Diego St, Wyoming, Air Force, Fresno St, San Jose St.
Assuming for discussion purposes that happens, the school that has to feel the most satisfied about the way everything shook out might well be BYU. When the Pac-10 was looking to expand, BYU was interested, but the Pac-10 wouldn't give them the time of day (motivated mostly by general West Coast liberalism wanting nothing to do with a conservative religious institution, with the University of California—Berkeley by all accounts being the most vocal about it). BYU's landed in the Big 12, the Pac-12 is falling apart, and the institution that was the most vocal about excluding BYU lands in the Mountain West, the conference BYU left?
Possibly, but the rumor is that Cal (and Stanford) are looking into joining the Big Ten as well.
There is such a rumor, but if you re-read the first six words of my comment you'll see I was addressing a specific scenario posted by NWI_Irish96.
Of course, I was just pointing out some information that hadn't yet been presented in the thread. My apologies for ruffling your feathers.
No worries. I thought you were correcting me and I just wanted to point out the particular context of what I was saying.
Arizona State and Utah have applied to the Big XII.
Quote from: Big John on August 04, 2023, 06:07:31 PM
Arizona State and Utah have applied to the Big XII.
and the Big XII schools unanimously accepted them. Now the Pac 4.
Quote from: Big John on August 04, 2023, 10:13:29 PM
Quote from: Big John on August 04, 2023, 06:07:31 PM
Arizona State and Utah have applied to the Big XII.
and the Big XII schools unanimously accepted them. Now the Pac 4.
Much like what has happened with Bud Light, business schools across this nation are going to be giving advanced courses in how the (soon-to-be-killed) Pac-12 conference killed its brand and mismanaged its business. BTW, if I'm the commissioner of the Mountain West conference, I wouldn't be so quick to invite Cal-Berkeley and Stanford.
Quote from: DTComposer on August 04, 2023, 03:56:35 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 04, 2023, 03:16:42 PM
Quote from: Big John on August 04, 2023, 03:08:42 PM
^^ PAC 6?
My guess is that the six remaining schools merge with some of the stronger MWC schools. Likely Boise St, San Diego St, Wyoming, Air Force, Fresno St, San Jose St.
PAC 4 or 5 - Arizona State will likely follow Arizona, and I wouldn't be surprised if Utah does as well. Cal and Stanford are still holding out hope that the Big 10 offers them a spot at reduced revenue - the Big 10 presidents are supposedly in favor, as they bring excellence in academics and non-revenue sports, plus a top media market and a large alumni base in the Bay Area. Fox and ESPN only care about eyeballs and dollars, and with football and basketball struggling at both schools, it's not clear how that might play out. OSU and WSU would fit well in the MWC.
Ultimately this was a failure of Pac-12 leadership to get ahead of both conference expansion and television deals. They had the chance to add Texas and Oklahoma (and maybe others) in 2010, but let it slip away, getting only Colorado and Utah. Once USC and UCLA announced last year that they were leaving, Pac-12 leadership should have done anything and everything to replace their marquee programs and get any sort of television deal nailed down. Instead, they twiddled their thumbs, worrying that San Diego State would somehow lower their academic bar while ignoring that it's now a regular top-20 program in both football and basketball.
As long as the NFL doesn't have a bona fide minor/developmental league like the other big sports, college football will continue down the path of chasing the dollar and drift further away from the concept of the student-athlete.
I kind of wish the NFL would embrace the XFL in that role and encourage top performing high school athletes to join the XFL to prep for the NFL. I don't know how successful that would be though. The NBA allows people to play in the G-League out of high school but the big recruits are still going to college (albeit usually in a one and done capacity).
Quote from: Big John on August 04, 2023, 10:13:29 PM
Quote from: Big John on August 04, 2023, 06:07:31 PM
Arizona State and Utah have applied to the Big XII.
and the Big XII schools unanimously accepted them. Now the Pac 4.
Cal and Stanford may yet join the Big Ten. Academically, they're the most qualified of all the (soon to be defunct) Pac-12 schools. In the Big Ten, that matters as much as athletics.
What happens to Oregon State and Washington State is anybody's guess. From what I read, they were trying to save the Pac-12, but now that it's the Pac-4, and maybe the Pac-2, that will be impossible. Join the Mountain West? I won't rule it out.
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on August 04, 2023, 10:51:57 PM
Quote from: Big John on August 04, 2023, 10:13:29 PM
Quote from: Big John on August 04, 2023, 06:07:31 PM
Arizona State and Utah have applied to the Big XII.
and the Big XII schools unanimously accepted them. Now the Pac 4.
Cal and Stanford may yet join the Big Ten. Academically, they're the most qualified of all the (soon to be defunct) Pac-12 schools. In the Big Ten, that matters as much as athletics.
What happens to Oregon State and Washington State is anybody's guess. From what I read, they were trying to save the Pac-12, but now that it's the Pac-4, and maybe the Pac-2, that will be impossible. Join the Mountain West? I won't rule it out.
Instead of chasing a media marketing deal that the Big 10 offers that may blow up in people's faces in 10 years, if I were Cal-Berkeley and Stanford, I'd stay independent in football and join the West Coast Conference for all other sports. In doing so, Gonzaga would get better competition for their men's and women's basketball teams, and Cal+Stanford would keep to their own West Coast insular culture.
Feel bad for OSU and WSU. Likely headed for a merger with the MWC using the Pac name.
Quote from: brad2971 on August 04, 2023, 11:42:23 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on August 04, 2023, 10:51:57 PM
Quote from: Big John on August 04, 2023, 10:13:29 PM
Quote from: Big John on August 04, 2023, 06:07:31 PM
Arizona State and Utah have applied to the Big XII.
and the Big XII schools unanimously accepted them. Now the Pac 4.
Cal and Stanford may yet join the Big Ten. Academically, they're the most qualified of all the (soon to be defunct) Pac-12 schools. In the Big Ten, that matters as much as athletics.
What happens to Oregon State and Washington State is anybody's guess. From what I read, they were trying to save the Pac-12, but now that it's the Pac-4, and maybe the Pac-2, that will be impossible. Join the Mountain West? I won't rule it out.
Instead of chasing a media marketing deal that the Big 10 offers that may blow up in people's faces in 10 years, if I were Cal-Berkeley and Stanford, I'd stay independent in football and join the West Coast Conference for all other sports. In doing so, Gonzaga would get better competition for their men's and women's basketball teams, and Cal+Stanford would keep to their own West Coast insular culture.
All good points. The entire "big media megabucks funding college athletics" business model may blow up in the next decade if not sooner, along with the similar model for pro sports. It depends, first, on what Disney does with the ESPN gravy train. Right now that doesn't look good.
ESPN and the other TV networks fund the very existence of sports in the United States, and subscriber fees are what fuel it. But with cable and satellite TV in the process of crashing and burning, and the OTA networks and stations watching their bottom lines because they're losing those subscriber fees as well, the $Billion media contracts may be about to come to an end. Yeah, Big Tech thinks they can take their place, but computer and engineering nerds trying to be businessmen are notoriously clueless about the real world. The Pac-12/Apple TV deal is what's about to kill the Pac-12. If that conference dies, none of the others will take a risk on Big Tech-as-broadcasters.
The pro leagues will follow in their rejection. Their problem is player salaries. If the networks give them the middle finger, and Big Tech can't take their place, those (overbloated) salaries will not be met, and the leagues will end up in bankruptcy. They have iron-clad contracts with unions, but if the money is not there...
More on the seismic changes affecting college football:
https://www.theringer.com/college-football/2023/8/4/23820686/death-of-pac-12-conference-realignment-college-football-oregon-washington-big-ten
The only sustainable endgame there is for college football is all the power schools consolidating into one superconference, and from there, breaking off into seperate divisions within that superconference. There has to be a strong central governing body and the NCAA is not it. TV money is killing the sport. If they're all in the same conference then they (theoretically) won't be fighting with each other for TV money because everyone will be under the same contracts.
This would spell the end of the CFP and bowl games, because all the contenders would be in the same conference. And you know what? Good. Arbitrary selection committees suck and bowl games suck. Instead we would get a real playoff system similar to those in professional sports. While this would bear a lot of resembelance to the NFL, I think it would still be different enough to be its own product because the divisions would restore the traditional rivalries that are so much of CFB's appeal.
But what I described above is not going to happen for two reasons: 1) $$$ and 2) $$$. 1), instead of all ~64 power conference teams getting in on the superconference, the biggest programs will decide it's more profitable to form a conference with half or a third that number of teams. That would straight up be Walmart NFL and it would suck. All the schools that got left out would suffer massively because they would essentially be recruiting at an FCS level. The superconference would rake in all the money and anyone outside of it would see their revenue plummet. 2), even if they did manage to include all power teams, the Ohio States and Texases would want a larger cut of the TV revenue. If their demands were met, they would use that money to dominate the less rich schools. If their demands were not met, the top dogs would break away and form their own conference; see #1.
In any case, I don't see the current structure (or lack thereof) of the sport existing for much longer. Geography means basically nothing anymore; the Big Ten and Big 12 have teams in all four quadrants of the country, and the SEC is pretty close. The next time TV contracts come back up for negotiation, the big programs are going to be even more aggressive in getting their way, and if they don't, see #1.
I don't doubt that the Walmart NFL could survive just on the fanbases of those teams, but I really don't see the appeal of a lower-quality league in which players can only stick around for a maxmimum of four years, and I suspect many agree.
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Quote from: Big John on August 04, 2023, 10:13:29 PM
Quote from: Big John on August 04, 2023, 06:07:31 PM
Arizona State and Utah have applied to the Big XII.
and the Big XII schools unanimously accepted them. Now the Pac 4.
Cal and Stanford may yet join the Big Ten. Academically, they're the most qualified of all the (soon to be defunct) Pac-12 schools. In the Big Ten, that matters as much as athletics.
What happens to Oregon State and Washington State is anybody's guess. From what I read, they were trying to save the Pac-12, but now that it's the Pac-4, and maybe the Pac-2, that will be impossible. Join the Mountain West? I won't rule it out.
Instead of chasing a media marketing deal that the Big 10 offers that may blow up in people's faces in 10 years, if I were Cal-Berkeley and Stanford, I'd stay independent in football and join the West Coast Conference for all other sports. In doing so, Gonzaga would get better competition for their men's and women's basketball teams, and Cal+Stanford would keep to their own West Coast insular culture.
All good points. The entire "big media megabucks funding college athletics" business model may blow up in the next decade if not sooner, along with the similar model for pro sports. It depends, first, on what Disney does with the ESPN gravy train. Right now that doesn't look good.
ESPN and the other TV networks fund the very existence of sports in the United States, and subscriber fees are what fuel it. But with cable and satellite TV in the process of crashing and burning, and the OTA networks and stations watching their bottom lines because they're losing those subscriber fees as well, the $Billion media contracts may be about to come to an end. Yeah, Big Tech thinks they can take their place, but computer and engineering nerds trying to be businessmen are notoriously clueless about the real world. The Pac-12/Apple TV deal is what's about to kill the Pac-12. If that conference dies, none of the others will take a risk on Big Tech-as-broadcasters.
The pro leagues will follow in their rejection. Their problem is player salaries. If the networks give them the middle finger, and Big Tech can't take their place, those (overbloated) salaries will not be met, and the leagues will end up in bankruptcy. They have iron-clad contracts with unions, but if the money is not there...
As long as the NFL is the #1 entity in television, they will rake in huge money until the media industry collapses. And even on the off chance the bubble bursts? The league's salary cap dropped by 11.2% entering the 2021 season due to the effects of Covid, and you couldn't even tell the difference.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 12, 2022, 05:29:48 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 11, 2022, 03:43:04 PM
The number of bandwagon Alabama fans around here amazes me. Even diehard Kentucky fans root for the Tide. And they like to throw off on Ohio State.
The SEC fanbase has this weird fetish of "if not my team, better another SEC team than someone else" even if it's a bitter rival of their school. I don't understand it at all. You'll never catch me dead rooting for Wisconsin (in any sport), Ohio State (football), or Michigan (football).
I don't understand it, either. Or the "SEC, SEC" chants. I am a fan of one football team in the SEC, the Arkansas Razorbacks. I consider the rest of the conference teams to be rivals and enemies and I don't automatically root for them because of the conference they are in. That's silly. I guess fans of lower tier SEC teams do this because their team never wins, so they can vicariously live through the eyes of an Alabama fan. That's all I can figure out.
Quote from: ran4sh on August 12, 2022, 06:40:56 PM
That's because the rest of the country hates us. In particular, fans of Big Ten teams love to hate SEC teams, despite the fact that the Big Ten conference has a lot more influence on college football in general than the SEC does.
LOL why do you reckon that? The SEC has won more championships and produced more NFL players than any conference since the turn of the century. The Big 10 is Ohio State.
Quote from: bugo on August 07, 2023, 03:44:31 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 12, 2022, 06:40:56 PM
That's because the rest of the country hates us. In particular, fans of Big Ten teams love to hate SEC teams, despite the fact that the Big Ten conference has a lot more influence on college football in general than the SEC does.
LOL why do you reckon that? The SEC has won more championships and produced more NFL players than any conference since the turn of the century. The Big 10 is Ohio State.
The BIG's influence comes as much for the population bases it covers as the quality of play.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 07, 2023, 04:17:59 PM
Quote from: bugo on August 07, 2023, 03:44:31 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 12, 2022, 06:40:56 PM
That's because the rest of the country hates us. In particular, fans of Big Ten teams love to hate SEC teams, despite the fact that the Big Ten conference has a lot more influence on college football in general than the SEC does.
LOL why do you reckon that? The SEC has won more championships and produced more NFL players than any conference since the turn of the century. The Big 10 is Ohio State.
The BIG's influence comes as much for the population bases it covers as the quality of play.
As well as the alumni base. Most Big 10 schools are quite a bit larger than Ole Miss.
This is what should happen (but won't):
The top 70ish football programs should break away from the NCAA and form their own organization. Organize back into six conferences that more or less look like what the conferences looked like around 2000. Agree to an even split of regular season TV revenues with the conferences getting bonuses for getting teams into an 8-team playoff. Allow only one opponent outside this division.
BIG: Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Michigan State, Michigan, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State, Penn State
SEC: Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
Big 12: Iowa State, Missouri, Kansas State, Kansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, West Virginia
PAC 12: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado
ACC: Florida St, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest, Duke, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Maryland, Pittsburgh
Big East: Boston College, Syracuse, Louisville, Cincinnati, Central Florida, Tulane, Navy, Army, Memphis, App State, Coastal Carolina, Troy
Moutain West: SMU, BYU, Air Force, San Diego St, Hawaii, Wyoming, Nevada, New Mexico, Boise St, UNLV, Fresno St, Utah St
The realignment is going to destroy a lot of the non-football/basketball sports for these schools. Regional pairings make far more sense for teams that can't afford to charter a flight for a mid-week game across the country. Wish we could just divest the football programs and keep Pac-12 together for other sports that have been strung along for the ride.
Quote from: Bruce on August 07, 2023, 04:49:17 PM
The realignment is going to destroy a lot of the non-football/basketball sports for these schools. Regional pairings make far more sense for teams that can't afford to charter a flight for a mid-week game across the country. Wish we could just divest the football programs and keep Pac-12 together for other sports that have been strung along for the ride.
That's essentially my idea from above. When TV money became such a big thing, the PAC 12 was doomed because of time zones. They can't play Noon ET games when all of the other conferences can.
Hearing that Cal and Stanford might go to the ACC. Would be a very good fit academically.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 07, 2023, 04:51:56 PM
Quote from: Bruce on August 07, 2023, 04:49:17 PM
The realignment is going to destroy a lot of the non-football/basketball sports for these schools. Regional pairings make far more sense for teams that can't afford to charter a flight for a mid-week game across the country. Wish we could just divest the football programs and keep Pac-12 together for other sports that have been strung along for the ride.
That's essentially my idea from above. When TV money became such a big thing, the PAC 12 was doomed because of time zones. They can't play Noon ET games when all of the other conferences can.
Hearing that Cal and Stanford might go to the ACC. Would be a very good fit academically.
The
Atlantic Coast Conference would have a team where you could see the Pacific Ocean from the top of their stadium.
What's the point anymore? These conferences started out decades ago as regional groups and now the regions mean nothing, yet the conferences still exist as seperate entites, and because geography doesn't matter, schools can just jump ship whenever they feel like it to whichever other conference's TV deal is going to give them more money.
I was bored so I came up with the new structure that I think would be best for the sport. Quite similar to NWI_Irish96's idea, which is funny because I wrote this out this morning. A 70-team Super League with 14 divisions of 5 teams each, broken into two conferences.
Super League EastDelta: LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State, Alabama, Auburn
Mid-Atlantic: NC State, Wake Forest, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Maryland
Northeast: BC, Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt, West Virginia
Mideast: Penn State, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan State
Near South: Kentucky, Louisville, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Arkansas
South Atlantic: North Carolina, Duke, South Carolina, Clemson, Georgia Tech
Southeast: UCF, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Georgia
Super League WestPacific Northwest: Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford
Pacific Southwest: USC, UCLA, San Diego State, Arizona, Arizona State
Mountain: Cal, Utah, BYU, Colorado, Houston
Texas: Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor
Great Plains: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri
Midwest: Purdue, Indiana, Cincinnati, Illinois, Northwestern
Heartland: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Nebraska
Each team plays their 4 divisional rivals every year, with the remaining 8 games being rotating opponents from the other divisions. The top 8 in each conference (by straight up W/L record since nonconference games wouldn't be a thing) make the playoffs.
This keeps the appeal of the sport alive - 1) 70 teams is more than double the NFL, and 2) everyone would be playing their rivals every year. There are obviously a few I couldn't make work, such as OU/Texas, Georgia/GT, and Houston getting thrown in with a bunch of teams they have no connection with. But those rivalries could be incorporated as annual or biennial protected games, and there are also several old rivalries that are restored in this format such as Texas/Texas A&M, Missouri/Kansas, and Pitt/WVU.
QuoteThe Atlantic Coast Conference would have a team where you could see the Pacific Ocean from the top of their stadium.
The East Coast Hockey League used to have a team in Anchorage.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 07, 2023, 07:00:17 PM
QuoteThe Atlantic Coast Conference would have a team where you could see the Pacific Ocean from the top of their stadium.
The East Coast Hockey League used to have a team in Anchorage.
And the Pacific Coast League has a team near the Gulf of Mexico.
Quote from: Bruce on August 07, 2023, 10:46:42 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 07, 2023, 07:00:17 PM
QuoteThe Atlantic Coast Conference would have a team where you could see the Pacific Ocean from the top of their stadium.
The East Coast Hockey League used to have a team in Anchorage.
And the Pacific Coast League has a team near the Gulf of Mexico.
The International League no longer has any teams outside the US.
Quote from: thspfc on August 07, 2023, 05:44:00 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 07, 2023, 04:51:56 PM
Quote from: Bruce on August 07, 2023, 04:49:17 PM
The realignment is going to destroy a lot of the non-football/basketball sports for these schools. Regional pairings make far more sense for teams that can't afford to charter a flight for a mid-week game across the country. Wish we could just divest the football programs and keep Pac-12 together for other sports that have been strung along for the ride.
That's essentially my idea from above. When TV money became such a big thing, the PAC 12 was doomed because of time zones. They can't play Noon ET games when all of the other conferences can.
Hearing that Cal and Stanford might go to the ACC. Would be a very good fit academically.
The Atlantic Coast Conference would have a team where you could see the Pacific Ocean from the top of their stadium.
What's the point anymore? These conferences started out decades ago as regional groups and now the regions mean nothing, yet the conferences still exist as seperate entites, and because geography doesn't matter, schools can just jump ship whenever they feel like it to whichever other conference's TV deal is going to give them more money.
I was bored so I came up with the new structure that I think would be best for the sport. Quite similar to NWI_Irish96's idea, which is funny because I wrote this out this morning. A 70-team Super League with 14 divisions of 5 teams each, broken into two conferences.
Super League East
Delta: LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State, Alabama, Auburn
Mid-Atlantic: NC State, Wake Forest, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Maryland
Northeast: BC, Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt, West Virginia
Mideast: Penn State, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan State
Near South: Kentucky, Louisville, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Arkansas
South Atlantic: North Carolina, Duke, South Carolina, Clemson, Georgia Tech
Southeast: UCF, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Georgia
Super League West
Pacific Northwest: Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford
Pacific Southwest: USC, UCLA, San Diego State, Arizona, Arizona State
Mountain: Cal, Utah, BYU, Colorado, Houston
Texas: Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor
Great Plains: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri
Midwest: Purdue, Indiana, Cincinnati, Illinois, Northwestern
Heartland: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Nebraska
Each team plays their 4 divisional rivals every year, with the remaining 8 games being rotating opponents from the other divisions. The top 8 in each conference (by straight up W/L record since nonconference games wouldn't be a thing) make the playoffs.
This keeps the appeal of the sport alive - 1) 70 teams is more than double the NFL, and 2) everyone would be playing their rivals every year. There are obviously a few I couldn't make work, such as OU/Texas, Georgia/GT, and Houston getting thrown in with a bunch of teams they have no connection with. But those rivalries could be incorporated as annual or biennial protected games, and there are also several old rivalries that are restored in this format such as Texas/Texas A&M, Missouri/Kansas, and Pitt/WVU.
I like this idea in theory. But just some of the divisions are going to be a killer. For example, the Mideast is a beast.
Time for the G5 to make their own playoff system
Few sports leagues have met their demise worse than the Pac-12, and the genesis of it all is when UCLA (my alma mater) and USC bolted for the B1G. While I'm sad to see them go away, at least they will get more chances to play against Midwestern schools such as Northwestern (the one based in Chicagoland). Additionally, it's now very clear that the days of geographically specific conferences are long gone, but I'm glad that the ACC will not expand to the West Coast because it would no longer make any sense, and kudos to its members who voted against the proposal.
With the demise of geographic-based leagues and the coming superleagues, I wonder how schools that may have won their old leagues/divisions will deal with possibly ending up in the middle of the pack in their new digs. Kind of like a high school valedictorian who becomes one of many valedictorians just three months after graduating. Especially if you have to face the likes of Ohio State and Michigan each year.
Or an in-conference roadtrip for games between teams from California and New Jersey. And some people are wondering why I'm seriously losing interest in following university level sports . . . .
Mike
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on August 15, 2023, 05:34:49 PM
With the demise of geographic-based leagues and the coming superleagues, I wonder how schools that may have won their old leagues/divisions will deal with possibly ending up in the middle of the pack in their new digs. Kind of like a high school valedictorian who becomes one of many valedictorians just three months after graduating. Especially if you have to face the likes of Ohio State and Michigan each year.
The right approach in a school full of valedictorians is to swallow pride and realize you're all there for each other, and there is no reason to play superior.
Somehow that doesn't work so well for sports.
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on August 15, 2023, 05:34:49 PM
With the demise of geographic-based leagues and the coming superleagues, I wonder how schools that may have won their old leagues/divisions will deal with possibly ending up in the middle of the pack in their new digs. Kind of like a high school valedictorian who becomes one of many valedictorians just three months after graduating. Especially if you have to face the likes of Ohio State and Michigan each year.
They'll be too busy counting their money to think about that.
Quote from: Alps on August 16, 2023, 12:11:16 AM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on August 15, 2023, 05:34:49 PM
With the demise of geographic-based leagues and the coming superleagues, I wonder how schools that may have won their old leagues/divisions will deal with possibly ending up in the middle of the pack in their new digs. Kind of like a high school valedictorian who becomes one of many valedictorians just three months after graduating. Especially if you have to face the likes of Ohio State and Michigan each year.
The right approach in a school full of valedictorians is to swallow pride and realize you're all there for each other, and there is no reason to play superior.
Somehow that doesn't work so well for sports.
Tell that to the pricks who insist on calling OSU "THE" Ohio State University. Sit down and shut up you pretentious clowns (the OSU idiots I mean).
Current win totals:
Notre Dame 1
Everybody else 0
Somewhat astonishingly, the University of Massachusetts Minutemen defeated the New Mexico State Aggies for their first win against an FBS team in nearly 40 years, and their first road win season opener in nearly 50 years.
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on August 27, 2023, 07:18:31 AM
Somewhat astonishingly, the University of Massachusetts Minutemen defeated the New Mexico State Aggies for their first win against an FBS team in nearly 40 years, and their first road win season opener in nearly 50 years.
Huh? Their last win against an FBS team was in 2021 and their last season opener win on the road was in 2011 . . .
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1695640191497560223?s=20
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 26, 2023, 06:27:26 PM
Current win totals:
Notre Dame 1
Everybody else 0
With the amount this country spends on defense, the Navy really, really dropped the ball. :-D
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on August 27, 2023, 10:20:00 AM
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1695640191497560223?s=20
You misread the tweet (twice). It was their first
season opening win against an FBS team in 40 years and their first season opening road win
against an FBS team in 50 years.
It was their first win against an FBS team in 2 years and their first season opening road win in 12.
I am looking forward to watching my first college football game of the new season! The Nebraska Cornhuskers will be playing the Minnesota Golden Gophers in Minneapolis at 7:00 PM CST on Fox.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 31, 2023, 03:40:20 PM
I am looking forward to watching my first college football game of the new season! The Nebraska Cornhuskers will be playing the Minnesota Golden Gophers in Minneapolis at 7:00 PM CST CDT on Fox.
Standard Time doesn't start until November 5.
Quote from: bugo on August 31, 2023, 05:44:34 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 31, 2023, 03:40:20 PM
I am looking forward to watching my first college football game of the new season! The Nebraska Cornhuskers will be playing the Minnesota Golden Gophers in Minneapolis at 7:00 PM CST CDT on Fox.
Standard Time doesn't start until November 5.
:pan:
The Atlantic Coast Conference has voted to add three teams, Two (Stanford, Cal) are on the Pacific Coast. The third is SMU, which apparently benefited from some lobbying by the Bush family.
As it stands now, the PAC-12 will have only two teams remaining in 2024. I expect Washington St and Oregon St to form a new conference with some members of the Mountain West and American conferences, highlighted by Tulane, Memphis, Navy, Boise St and San Diego St.
New year, new coach, same Nebraska.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 01, 2023, 09:25:25 AM
The Atlantic Coast Conference has voted to add three teams, Two (Stanford, Cal) are on the Pacific Coast. The third is SMU, which apparently benefited from some lobbying by the Bush family.
As it stands now, the PAC-12 will have only two teams remaining in 2024. I expect Washington St and Oregon St to form a new conference with some members of the Mountain West and American conferences, highlighted by Tulane, Memphis, Navy, Boise St and San Diego St.
WSU, OSU, Stanford, and Cal had enough collective power to form a new conference by poaching teams from other conferences, but WSU and OSU alone don't. At this point the only real option seems to be the Mountain West. The Big 12 can't be completely ruled out but it seems that they're not interested.
Quote from: thspfc on September 01, 2023, 09:36:41 AM
New year, new coach, same Nebraska.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 01, 2023, 09:25:25 AM
The Atlantic Coast Conference has voted to add three teams, Two (Stanford, Cal) are on the Pacific Coast. The third is SMU, which apparently benefited from some lobbying by the Bush family.
As it stands now, the PAC-12 will have only two teams remaining in 2024. I expect Washington St and Oregon St to form a new conference with some members of the Mountain West and American conferences, highlighted by Tulane, Memphis, Navy, Boise St and San Diego St.
WSU, OSU, Stanford, and Cal had enough collective power to form a new conference by poaching teams from other conferences, but WSU and OSU alone don't. At this point the only real option seems to be the Mountain West. The Big 12 can't be completely ruled out but it seems that they're not interested.
Pullman and Corvallis are not the markets that Yormark, the Big 12 Commissioner, is looking to get into.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 01, 2023, 09:25:25 AM
The Atlantic Coast Conference has voted to add three teams, Two (Stanford, Cal) are on the Pacific Coast. The third is SMU, which apparently benefited from some lobbying by the Bush family.
As it stands now, the PAC-12 will have only two teams remaining in 2024. I expect Washington St and Oregon St to form a new conference with some members of the Mountain West and American conferences, highlighted by Tulane, Memphis, Navy, Boise St and San Diego St.
SMU deserves another shot finally. I hope they get back to where they once belonged.
Re: AR State @ Oklahoma, are college football offenses just better than NFL offenses?
Quote from: epzik8 on September 02, 2023, 05:30:17 PM
Re: AR State @ Oklahoma, are college football offenses just better than NFL offenses?
Is this a serious question?
Coach Prime and his Coloroado Buffalos beat TCU on the road, 45-42.
Quote from: thspfc on September 02, 2023, 06:12:14 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on September 02, 2023, 05:30:17 PM
Re: AR State @ Oklahoma, are college football offenses just better than NFL offenses?
Is this a serious question?
It's just that college games seem more likely to be that lopsided.
It is just that NFL defenses are a lot faster.
Quote from: Big John on September 02, 2023, 08:14:00 PM
It is just that NFL defenses are a lot faster.
And a lot better at literally everything else too. Not to mention that the talent gap between Oklahoma and Arkansas State is much larger than the talent gap between the Chiefs and Texans, who played each other to overtime last year despite being the best and worst teams in the league respectively.
Several teams today just got whacked! Take a gander a few of the games that just got so lopsided:
Lindenwood (an FCS D1 school) dropped a double 7 bucket on Wisconsin-Stevens Point. That's 77 points. An equivalent of the point guard in basketball nabbing at least 20 to 25 pts. per quarter.
Western Carolina got hooked by the Razorbacks of Arkansas when they dropped 56 on 'em.
New Hampshire stoned the Skyhawks of Stonehill with 51.
Mercer was shown no mercy getting bombed by Ole Miss 73-7
AR Baptist (I assume it's Arkansas Baptist) got dog shot by Houston Baptist University 66 nil.
North Dakota dropped the double nickels on Drake (no, not the rapper, but the D1 school) 55-7.
Colgate got orange-blanked by Syracuse 65 nil.
Cincinnati's own Bearcats got their kicks on 66 (as in 9 TD's and 1 FG) sending Eastern Kentucky packing.
But, the biggest blowout of today has to be the Vikings of Portland State getting sunk by #15 Oregon 81-7.
I mean, I know it's just the first week of the '23 CFB season, but that's an awful lot of blowouts of 3 touchdowns plus from these teams.
Just take a look at the competition disparity in those games and it should tell you all you need to know. It's typical of the first week of the season when small schools go play the bigger schools for a money game. I mean, seriously, what business does an FCS school have playing a D-III UW-Stevens Point? D-III doesn't even give out athletic scholarships.
Quote from: tchafe1978 on September 02, 2023, 11:08:02 PM
Just take a look at the competition disparity in those games and it should tell you all you need to know. It's typical of the first week of the season when small schools go play the bigger schools for a money game. I mean, seriously, what business does an FCS school have playing a D-III UW-Stevens Point? D-III doesn't even give out athletic scholarships.
Teams play a 12 game schedule. The bigger programs want to have 7 home games. The only way to do that is to play an FCS school or a very weak FBS school who will play the road game for a cash payment other than a return trip.
Also, with every loss potentially costing you a playoff spot, coaches want to start off with an easy game while they figure out what they have.
Chalk up another ACC upset by NIU :)
Thanks for paying the school 1.3 million to visit and beat you Boston College
Duke beat Clemson (#9) 28-7!
I hate Duke in all sports except women's soccer (my cousin played for them) but I hate Clemson more. So that was an incredibly satisfying game to watch.
As a Duke alumnus, I almost wish I had watched that game last night. Almost. I was more interested in finding out what happens in the book I'm reading. After all the constant blather this summer about Clemson and FSU and how superior they consider themselves in football, though, it was deeply satisfying to see they not only lost, but lost badly (it is astonishing to see how close they came to the end zone several times without scoring at all).
Quote from: US 89 on September 05, 2023, 09:20:23 AM
I hate Duke in all sports except women's soccer (my cousin played for them) but I hate Clemson more. So that was an incredibly satisfying game to watch.
I hate Duke in all aspects of life but I enjoy watching Clemson lose more in ACC football.
By my estimation, there were 46 games in week one alone that were blowouts by 3 or more touchdowns with Ole Miss and Oregon being the big strikers.
Starting week 2, Murray State got creamed by Louisville 56-0.
Texas beats Bama and Wisconsin is yet again overrated by preseason polls, for the 4th straight and 5th time in 6 years. They never learn. Even Texas and Texas A&M have finished higher in polls than they started twice each since 2018. Wisconsin has done so once despite being ranked entering every single one of those seasons. Literally THE most overrated program in college football over the last 6 years.
Getting swept in a home-and-home by Washington State is absolutely pitiful considering the differences between the two in money, facilities, school size and status, and recruiting base. The program is broken and even though I'm pretty indifferent to the Badgers, it's tough to watch. The passing game showed promise tonight so it looks like Fickell is turning that around - only problem is everything else sucked.
Minor thing that annoys me: I'm not a fan of the graphics package on Fox - the scribbled lines indicating possession, the police tape/construction sign look of the penalties - it feels a little gimmicky, like it's trying for a WWE vibe.
Quote from: DTComposer on September 16, 2023, 01:27:20 PM
Minor thing that annoys me: I'm not a fan of the graphics package on Fox - the scribbled lines indicating possession, the police tape/construction sign look of the penalties - it feels a little gimmicky, like it's trying for a WWE vibe.
Not to mention they butchered their lower thirds across all of their sports this year.
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on September 02, 2023, 10:43:50 PM
Several teams today just got whacked! Take a gander a few of the games that just got so lopsided:
...
But, the biggest blowout of today has to be the Vikings of Portland State getting sunk by #15 Oregon 81-7.
Portland State decided it is better to give than to receive. (https://www.oregonlive.com/vikings/2023/09/portland-state-vikings-shut-out-north-american-u-91-0-in-home-opener.html)
QuoteThe Portland State Vikings crushed North American University 91-0 Saturday at Hillsboro Stadium.
...
Portland State scored a touchdown on each of its nine drives in the first half, building a 63-0 lead by halftime.
The Vikings (1-2) scored four more touchdown in the third quarter, rolling past the Stallions (0-3) of Stafford, Texas, who play at the NAIA level.
"I respect (North American), I respect the head coach," Vikings coach Bruce Barnum told GoViks.com. "It got a little out of hand, but we tried not to let it get that way."
So far in week 3, there have been 40 blowout games of 3 touchdowns or more, including that massive 91 point bomb on NAIA North American University. 63 I can understand by the end of the game, but 91? That's like the NBA's Portland Trailblazers dropping 30 to 40 points per quarter to equal that score in today's bomb shelled matchup.
Yeah. Looks like the Vikings took a page out of Oregon and did the same thing to an NAIA school. Not pretty at all.
Portland State beat Delaware State 105-0 when Lomax was the QB. 1st quarter score was 49-0. Just think if they had done so much for the next 3 quarters!
I get why smaller schools want the money and exposure of playing big time teams. But all of the lopsided game scores (i.e. Ohio State 63, Western Kentucky 10) makes for pathetic viewing.
No mercy rule in both pro and college football means that the lopsided scoring cannot be regulated. And the NCAA, along with their TV partners couldn't care less if that small school got creamed by 200 points. It's all about the $$$$.
It's time for the rest of the country to start taking 5-0 Maryland seriously.
Coach Prime (Deion Sanders) and the Colorado Buffaloes are 0-2 after an eye-opening start, having lost to Oregon and USC.
Quote from: epzik8 on October 01, 2023, 07:45:24 AM
It's time for the rest of the country to start taking 5-0 Maryland seriously.
Maryland was #26 in both polls last week, so this win will surely get them ranked. Michigan State was a good start, but let's see how they fare against #2, 4, 6.
UVA might actually go 0-12 this season...
Quote from: Hunty2022 on October 01, 2023, 07:21:40 PM
UVA might actually go 0-12 this season...
Before last night, I think we all would say that they would cream VT.
Quote from: epzik8 on October 01, 2023, 07:45:24 AM
It's time for the rest of the country to start taking 5-0 Maryland seriously.
Would love to see them knock off at least one of Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State.
Quote from: Hunty2022 on October 01, 2023, 07:21:40 PM
UVA might actually go 0-12 this season...
Well, now we know they won't - they beat William & Mary today. 1-11 could still happen, though...
UConn won't go 0-12 -- they picked up a 38-31 win on the road at Rice. They fell behind 14-0 in the first quarter, but then scored 4 TDs in a row, and forced 4 turnovers overall. Nice effort.
Will be at FSU-Duke this evening for probably the most significant college football game I've been to in person. If not for Penn State-Ohio State also being this weekend, this would have easily been the ESPN GameDay location.
And honestly it still should have been. Obviously PSU-OSU is a huge matchup, but that game is going to be on Fox and their Big Noon Kickoff is there already.
You'd think ESPN would want to promote a game that they'll actually get revenue from. Apparently FSU games have accounted for some huge percentage of ESPN's college football TV revenue this year.
Rock chalk, baby!!!
I'm sorry, but that call against DQ Smith during the USC vs. Texas A&M game yesterday was flat out STUPID! He lowered his head, I get it. But the crown of the helmet didn't hit the upper body! He hit the receiver's stomach and that's grounds for a targeting ejection?! Really?! Smith didn't launch! He didn't thrust himself to the crown of the receiver's head! He didn't go full tilt at his shoulders! What the hell, NCAA?! I mean, that's stupid! I saw that while I has having lunch with my dad at Laughing Grizzly on Broadway in Missoula yesterday. That was a chicken shat call! Flat chicken shat!
Not sure what to make of Michigan Coach Jim Harbaugh's "suspension".
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on November 11, 2023, 08:49:18 AM
Not sure what to make of Michigan Coach Jim Harbaugh's "suspension".
It's not going to affect them much today. They've had Harbaugh this entire week to prepare and he doesn't call plays. Ohio State might be a different story.
I disagree with the suspension at this point in time, though. Let the investigation play out and decide on punishments at the end, especially considering the new info that other B1G teams might have been breaking the rules as well.
Quote from: thspfc on November 11, 2023, 09:13:01 AM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on November 11, 2023, 08:49:18 AM
Not sure what to make of Michigan Coach Jim Harbaugh's "suspension".
It's not going to affect them much today. They've had Harbaugh this entire week to prepare and he doesn't call plays. Ohio State might be a different story.
I disagree with the suspension at this point in time, though. Let the investigation play out and decide on punishments at the end, especially considering the new info that other B1G teams might have been breaking the rules as well.
If they have evidence that cheating was happening during the current season, then I agree with enforcing the penalties during the current season. Don't punish future team's when this year's team is who benefited.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 11, 2023, 10:04:24 AM
Quote from: thspfc on November 11, 2023, 09:13:01 AM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on November 11, 2023, 08:49:18 AM
Not sure what to make of Michigan Coach Jim Harbaugh's "suspension".
It's not going to affect them much today. They've had Harbaugh this entire week to prepare and he doesn't call plays. Ohio State might be a different story.
I disagree with the suspension at this point in time, though. Let the investigation play out and decide on punishments at the end, especially considering the new info that other B1G teams might have been breaking the rules as well.
If they have evidence that cheating was happening during the current season, then I agree with enforcing the penalties during the current season. Don't punish future team's when this year's team is who benefited.
Again, they're now finding evidence that other teams were stealing signs as well and sharing them with each other. By acting so early, the conference is putting itself in a sticky situation if those violations turn out be anywhere near as serious as Michigan's.
And I would assume there will be more punishment to come if they find this to be serious. Hopefully it's more than just fines. If all they do is fine them, the team still likely comes out ahead overall by sign stealing due to the additional revenue they've gained by being really good the last few years. Would they have been this good anyway? Perhaps, but that raises the question of why they cheated in the first place.
Sign stealing is essentially part of the game, but I thought where Michigan went awry is by sending people to games of their opponents specifically to do so.
The controversy, such as it is, if anything helped give extra motivation for Michigan to beat Penn State.
Quote from: Rothman on November 11, 2023, 06:15:03 PM
Sign stealing is essentially part of the game, but I thought where Michigan went awry is by sending people to games of their opponents specifically to do so.
Correct, I should have been more specific.
Lots of games to be played still, but a really interesting possible scenario:
Ohio State/Michigan 13-0 B10 champs
Florida State 13-0 ACC champs
Washington 13-0 P12 champs
Texas 12-1 B12 champs
Alabama 12-1 SEC champs
Georgia 12-1
Michigan/Ohio State 11-1
Which four teams make the playoff?
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 12, 2023, 10:38:01 AM
Lots of games to be played still, but a really interesting possible scenario:
Ohio State/Michigan 13-0 B10 champs
Florida State 13-0 ACC champs
Washington 13-0 P12 champs
Texas 12-1 B12 champs
Alabama 12-1 SEC champs
Georgia 12-1
Michigan/Ohio State 11-1
Which four teams make the playoff?
In that situation it would be OSU/Mich, FSU, Washington, and Texas. There's no chance the committee would put Bama over Texas even though it's clear that Bama has come a long way. And I think Texas over Bama would be correct anyway - Bama's resume would be better, but not better
enough to override the head to head.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 12, 2023, 10:38:01 AM
Lots of games to be played still, but a really interesting possible scenario:
Ohio State/Michigan 13-0 B10 champs
Florida State 13-0 ACC champs
Washington 13-0 P12 champs
Texas 12-1 B12 champs
Alabama 12-1 SEC champs
Georgia 12-1
Michigan/Ohio State 11-1
Which four teams make the playoff?
The three undefeateds and Texas in that scenario. Conference championships should count for something, and Texas has the head to head tiebreaker.
I would go with BIG team 1, Washington 2, FSU 3, Texas 4. It would feel weird having 2 1 loss sec teams both miss the playoff but I think it's the right decision.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 12, 2023, 10:38:01 AM
Lots of games to be played still, but a really interesting possible scenario:
Ohio State/Michigan 13-0 B10 champs
Florida State 13-0 ACC champs
Washington 13-0 P12 champs
Texas 12-1 B12 champs
Alabama 12-1 SEC champs
Georgia 12-1
Michigan/Ohio State 11-1
Which four teams make the playoff?
I propose the following:
Ohio/Michigan 12-1 B10 champs
Georgia 12-1 SEC champs
Oregon 12-1 P12 champs
Texas 12-1 B12 champs
FSU 12-1 ACC champs
Which 12-1 team do you leave out here?
Quote from: Alps on November 12, 2023, 10:25:35 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 12, 2023, 10:38:01 AM
Lots of games to be played still, but a really interesting possible scenario:
Ohio State/Michigan 13-0 B10 champs
Florida State 13-0 ACC champs
Washington 13-0 P12 champs
Texas 12-1 B12 champs
Alabama 12-1 SEC champs
Georgia 12-1
Michigan/Ohio State 11-1
Which four teams make the playoff?
I propose the following:
Ohio/Michigan 12-1 B10 champs
Georgia 12-1 SEC champs
Oregon 12-1 P12 champs
Texas 12-1 B12 champs
FSU 12-1 ACC champs
Which 12-1 team do you leave out here?
FSU
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 12, 2023, 10:38:01 AM
Lots of games to be played still, but a really interesting possible scenario:
Ohio State/Michigan 13-0 B10 champs
Florida State 13-0 ACC champs
Washington 13-0 P12 champs
Texas 12-1 B12 champs
Alabama 12-1 SEC champs
Georgia 12-1
Michigan/Ohio State 11-1
Which four teams make the playoff?
Interesting scenario, but based on their relative performances each at home against Ole Miss, I don't think Georgia is likely to lose to Alabama in a virtual home game in Atlanta.
But if it did happen, I think Texas would get in over Alabama based on the head to head, especially given that Texas' win was on the road.
Texas A&M has fired its head coach for poor performance, giving him about 75 million dollars to go away.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 13, 2023, 02:16:01 PM
Texas A&M has fired its head coach for poor performance, giving him about 75 million dollars to go away.
And Mississippi State fired its coach, meaning both coaches who were in Saturday's game are now gone.
Quote from: Alps on November 12, 2023, 10:25:35 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 12, 2023, 10:38:01 AM
Lots of games to be played still, but a really interesting possible scenario:
Ohio State/Michigan 13-0 B10 champs
Florida State 13-0 ACC champs
Washington 13-0 P12 champs
Texas 12-1 B12 champs
Alabama 12-1 SEC champs
Georgia 12-1
Michigan/Ohio State 11-1
Which four teams make the playoff?
I propose the following:
Ohio/Michigan 12-1 B10 champs
Georgia 12-1 SEC champs
Oregon 12-1 P12 champs
Texas 12-1 B12 champs
FSU 12-1 ACC champs
Which 12-1 team do you leave out here?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 12, 2023, 10:52:41 PM
FSU
If FSU's loss is to North Alabama they don't deserve a playoff spot. A rivalry loss against UF would look bad but more understandable, though maybe not enough for the committee.
(Disclaimer: I am a graduate student at FSU, so I am not necessarily an unbiased observer here.)
Quote from: lordsutch on November 13, 2023, 12:43:34 AM
Interesting scenario, but based on their relative performances each at home against Ole Miss, I don't think Georgia is likely to lose to Alabama in a virtual home game in Atlanta.
But if it did happen, I think Texas would get in over Alabama based on the head to head, especially given that Texas' win was on the road.
If Georgia loses to Alabama in Atlanta, they won't be the SEC champions. The only way they win the conference with a 12-1 record is if they lose to Tennessee (which is possible) or Georgia Tech (which is unlikely, but not impossible). A loss of that magnitude is going to hurt them considerably even with a win over Bama in the SEC championship.
Also, the SEC championship is hardly a home game for UGA. Yes it's in Georgia, but it's only three hours from, say, Birmingham. There are plenty of Alabama fans who will make that drive in a heartbeat, plus plenty of them in Georgia itself. There is a large volume of Georgia license plates with the Alabama logo on it...why Georgia allows out of state universities on their license plates I'll never understand, but it's a statement that their fans are most definitely represented.
Quote from: Alps on November 12, 2023, 10:25:35 PM
I propose the following:
Ohio/Michigan 12-1 B10 champs
Georgia 12-1 SEC champs
Oregon 12-1 P12 champs
Texas 12-1 B12 champs
FSU 12-1 ACC champs
Which 12-1 team do you leave out here?
Not sure how you get the BIG champ being 12-1. Neither of them is losing this week ahead of next week's matchup. Georgia also very unlikely to lose before the conference championship.
Has to be FSU left out. Weakest conference and weakest schedule.
I am so salty we at the Terps lost to a Michigan squad with a suspended Jim Harbaugh AND it was their 1,000th win.
Quote from: epzik8 on November 18, 2023, 09:51:01 PM
I am so salty we at the Terps lost to a Michigan squad with a suspended Jim Harbaugh AND it was their 1,000th win.
Just starting to pay attention to Terps football since U of MD may become a significant portion of my life in a couple years depending on what my son decides to do.
I thought they gave Michigan a run for their money. I have had a lot of family members (nephews/nieces) go to Penn State. I can see that following Maryland is going to be similar to following Penn State. Ohio State and Michigan are almost always going to rule Big 10 for as long as it exists in its current format.
I am a U of Delaware alumni. So for me, big time college football has always been an "over there" thing for a literal handful of decades, and I therefore haven't had that much interest in it.
If you are a SEC fan, are you dreading this scenario, Michigan, Washington, and Florida State winning,Alabama beating Georgia and Texas beating Oklahoma State? the possibility of a playoff with Michigan, Washington, Florida State, and Texas, and the first two out, Ohio State and Alabama?
Quote from: tmoore952 on November 18, 2023, 11:09:06 PM
I am a U of Delaware alumni. So for me, big time college football has always been an "over there" thing for a literal handful of decades, and I therefore haven't had that much interest in it.
Looks like it will become an "over here" thing pretty soon (https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/38991597/delaware-set-join-c-usa-part-fbs-move-sources-say), with the Blue Hens becoming the 134th member of FBS football.
QuoteConference USA is expected to add Delaware as a new member for the 2025-26 season, sources told ESPN on Monday.
The sides have been in talks and a decision is expected to be formalized in the coming days, sources said. Delaware will become the conference's 11th member in football when it begins league play in 2025.
That move seems to be working well for James Madison. Other schools take their successful FCS programs and become doormats in FBS. The U of Idaho was one that stepped up, never succeeded in FBS and eventually downgraded back to FCS.
The narrative that 12-1 Texas vs 12-1 Alabama would even be a discussion is laughable. Bama could win 59-0 and Texas would still be in over them if they win in triple overtime.
As an analogy: I'm sure everyone's familiar with the concept that during a video review, the refs need to have conclusive evidence to overturn the call on the field, meaning that the barrier of evidence required to overturn a call is higher than the barrier required to let it stand. Texas beating Alabama - handily - was the call on the field. With both teams being 12-1 conference champions, Alabama's resume would need to be in a different galaxy than Texas's to override the head-to-head (or in other words, essentially prove the head-to-head was an upset). Even with a blowout win over Georgia, it would be better, but not better enough.
They would have pretty much equivalent best wins (over Bama and Georgia respectively) and not dissimilar losses (Oklahoma in a wild rivalry game vs. Texas at home by double digits). Bama's next best few wins (Ole Miss, LSU, Tennessee) would be better than Texas's (OKST, Kansas St, Kansas), but still not by enough.
There's also no chance a 13-0 Florida State gets left out in any circumstance. It would be nearly inarguable that a 13-0 FSU has been one of the four best teams in the country over the course of the entire season.
The "chaos scenario" that keeps getting brought up - Bama, Texas, Michigan, FSU, and Oregon all win - is really not chaotic at all. It would be Michigan, FSU, Oregon, Texas in some order. The committee is capable of leaving out the SEC, it's just that in all the years of the playoff, a situation in which that would be appropriate has never arisen.
With that, here's how I think the final ranking will look:
1. Georgia (13-0)
2. Michigan (13-0)
3. Oregon (12-1)
4. Florida State (13-0)
5. Texas (12-1)
6. Washington (12-1)
7. Ohio State (11-1)
8. Alabama (11-2)
And some of the bowls . . .
Sugar: Georgia vs. Florida State
Rose: Michigan vs. Oregon
Orange: Ohio State vs. Louisville
Peach: Alabama vs. Penn State
Cotton: Tulane vs. Missouri or Ole Miss; indications are that they would take Missouri
Fiesta: Washington vs. Texas
Citrus: Iowa vs. Missouri or Ole Miss
Outback: Tennessee vs. Maryland
Alamo: Arizona vs. Oklahoma
Holiday: Oregon State vs. NC State
Quote from: gonealookin on November 27, 2023, 08:12:22 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on November 18, 2023, 11:09:06 PM
I am a U of Delaware alumni. So for me, big time college football has always been an "over there" thing for a literal handful of decades, and I therefore haven't had that much interest in it.
Looks like it will become an "over here" thing pretty soon (https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/38991597/delaware-set-join-c-usa-part-fbs-move-sources-say), with the Blue Hens becoming the 134th member of FBS football.
QuoteConference USA is expected to add Delaware as a new member for the 2025-26 season, sources told ESPN on Monday.
The sides have been in talks and a decision is expected to be formalized in the coming days, sources said. Delaware will become the conference's 11th member in football when it begins league play in 2025.
Well, anything would be more "over here" than the last few years, where --- about 95% of the time if they aren't in the FCS playoffs -- the only way I know what's going on is with them is to look at the Sunday paper football results at the "winning" side (in alphabetical order) and the losing side (not in alphabetical order) in either the "East" or the "South", and hope I find them on the winning side.
Quote from: thspfc on November 28, 2023, 08:46:48 PM
The narrative that 12-1 Texas vs 12-1 Alabama would even be a discussion is laughable. Bama could win 59-0 and Texas would still be in over them if they win in triple overtime.
As an analogy: I'm sure everyone's familiar with the concept that during a video review, the refs need to have conclusive evidence to overturn the call on the field, meaning that the barrier of evidence required to overturn a call is higher than the barrier required to let it stand. Texas beating Alabama - handily - was the call on the field. With both teams being 12-1 conference champions, Alabama's resume would need to be in a different galaxy than Texas's to override the head-to-head (or in other words, essentially prove the head-to-head was an upset). Even with a blowout win over Georgia, it would be better, but not better enough.
They would have pretty much equivalent best wins (over Bama and Georgia respectively) and not dissimilar losses (Oklahoma in a wild rivalry game vs. Texas at home by double digits). Bama's next best few wins (Ole Miss, LSU, Tennessee) would be better than Texas's (OKST, Kansas St, Kansas), but still not by enough.
There's also no chance a 13-0 Florida State gets left out in any circumstance. It would be nearly inarguable that a 13-0 FSU has been one of the four best teams in the country over the course of the entire season.
The "chaos scenario" that keeps getting brought up - Bama, Texas, Michigan, FSU, and Oregon all win - is really not chaotic at all. It would be Michigan, FSU, Oregon, Texas in some order. The committee is capable of leaving out the SEC, it's just that in all the years of the playoff, a situation in which that would be appropriate has never arisen.
I disagree with you on one point: Georgia is in the playoff win or lose. They've been too strong for too long. Michigan is pretty much a lock at this point, and the winner of Oregon/Washington is a 3rd. The question of #4 comes down to if FSU should lose.
You think if Alabama beats Georgia, then Georgia is still in and Alabama isn't? I don't see that scenario.
Quote from: US 89 on November 29, 2023, 11:56:15 PM
You think if Alabama beats Georgia, then Georgia is still in and Alabama isn't? I don't see that scenario.
The only team I think can lose it's conference championship game and still get in is Michigan.
Quote from: US 89 on November 29, 2023, 11:56:15 PM
You think if Alabama beats Georgia, then Georgia is still in and Alabama isn't? I don't see that scenario.
If Bama wins they will be above Georgia in the rankings, no discussion. Georgia could still get in with a minor miracle. They would be the top team without a conference championship. I think they would get in if Texas and FSU lose (there's absolutely no chance Michigan loses so entertaining that scenario is pointless). In that case it would be Michigan, the Pac champion, Bama, and Georgia.
I think that if Alabama wins, Texas wins, and FSU wins, the rankings should look like this:
1. Michigan
2. Pac-12 Winner
3. Florida State
4. Texas
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5. Alabama
6. Georgia
7. Ohio State
I think the CFP committee is going to highly value Texas' win over Alabama. Alabama's only track in is if FSU or Texas lose. And Ohio State just does not have the conference championship win pedigree in a year where there are a lot of unbeaten teams at the top, unlike last year when the ACC and Pac-12 were pretty garbage at the top, so I think they will be left out unless FSU, Alabama, Texas, and Oregon all lose. Here's my prediction for the top:
1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Oregon
4. Texas
-----
5. Washington
6. Ohio State
7. Florida State
Quote from: CoreySamson on December 01, 2023, 12:36:26 PM
I think that if Alabama wins, Texas wins, and FSU wins, the rankings should look like this:
1. Michigan
2. Pac-12 Winner
3. Florida State
4. Texas
-----
5. Alabama
6. Georgia
7. Ohio State
I think the CFP committee is going to highly value Texas' win over Alabama. Alabama's only track in is if FSU or Texas lose. And Ohio State just does not have the conference championship win pedigree in a year where there are a lot of unbeaten teams at the top, unlike last year when the ACC and Pac-12 were pretty garbage at the top, so I think they will be left out unless FSU, Alabama, Texas, and Oregon all lose. Here's my prediction for the top:
1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Oregon
4. Texas
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5. Washington
6. Ohio State
7. Florida State
If Alabama wins, the only 1-loss team they would be ranked behind is Texas. If Oregon beats Washington, Oregon would be the odd team out. The committee wants an SEC team in and there are plenty of metrics they can fall back on to justify Alabama over Oregon.
The only way the SEC gets left out is if Washington, Texas, Alabama, Florida State and Michigan all win.
And with last night, Washington has now all but punched their ticket to the playoff, which will be the first appearance by a PAC-12 team since the 2016 season (in which 4th ranked Washington lost to Alabama in the Peach Bowl). Fitting that the conference responds to its impending demise by not cannibalizing itself for once. It was a great game to watch, but I do not think either Nix or Penix (heh) made a convincing case for their Heisman odds last night. I would imagine that is all for Jayden Daniels at this point.
As far as I'm concerned, Michigan, Georgia, and FSU should all be win-and-in. A loss by any of those three should knock them out - the next teams up should be Texas (assuming they win today), Alabama (also assuming they win), and Oregon in that order.
Quote from: US 89 on December 02, 2023, 09:01:11 AM
And with last night, Washington has now all but punched their ticket to the playoff, which will be the first appearance by a PAC-12 team since the 2016 season (in which 4th ranked Washington lost to Alabama in the Peach Bowl). Fitting that the conference responds to its impending demise by not cannibalizing itself for once. It was a great game to watch, but I do not think either Nix or Penix (heh) made a convincing case for their Heisman odds last night. I would imagine that is all for Jayden Daniels at this point.
As far as I'm concerned, Michigan, Georgia, and FSU should all be win-and-in. A loss by any of those three should knock them out - the next teams up should be Texas (assuming they win today), Alabama (also assuming they win), and Oregon in that order.
Zero chance a 2-loss Oregon gets ranked ahead of a 1-loss Georgia or Michigan. Probably not even ahead of Ohio State.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 01, 2023, 01:47:08 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on December 01, 2023, 12:36:26 PM
I think that if Alabama wins, Texas wins, and FSU wins, the rankings should look like this:
1. Michigan
2. Pac-12 Winner
3. Florida State
4. Texas
-----
5. Alabama
6. Georgia
7. Ohio State
I think the CFP committee is going to highly value Texas' win over Alabama. Alabama's only track in is if FSU or Texas lose. And Ohio State just does not have the conference championship win pedigree in a year where there are a lot of unbeaten teams at the top, unlike last year when the ACC and Pac-12 were pretty garbage at the top, so I think they will be left out unless FSU, Alabama, Texas, and Oregon all lose. Here's my prediction for the top:
1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Oregon
4. Texas
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5. Washington
6. Ohio State
7. Florida State
If Alabama wins, the only 1-loss team they would be ranked behind is Texas. If Oregon beats Washington, Oregon would be the odd team out. The committee wants an SEC team in and there are plenty of metrics they can fall back on to justify Alabama over Oregon.
The only way the SEC gets left out is if Washington, Texas, Alabama, Florida State and Michigan all win.
Which is a worse loss -- to a 1-loss Texas team early in the season, or to a 2-loss team (Oklahoma) in the middle of the season?
Quote from: rlb2024 on December 02, 2023, 09:40:50 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 01, 2023, 01:47:08 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on December 01, 2023, 12:36:26 PM
I think that if Alabama wins, Texas wins, and FSU wins, the rankings should look like this:
1. Michigan
2. Pac-12 Winner
3. Florida State
4. Texas
-----
5. Alabama
6. Georgia
7. Ohio State
I think the CFP committee is going to highly value Texas' win over Alabama. Alabama's only track in is if FSU or Texas lose. And Ohio State just does not have the conference championship win pedigree in a year where there are a lot of unbeaten teams at the top, unlike last year when the ACC and Pac-12 were pretty garbage at the top, so I think they will be left out unless FSU, Alabama, Texas, and Oregon all lose. Here's my prediction for the top:
1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Oregon
4. Texas
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5. Washington
6. Ohio State
7. Florida State
If Alabama wins, the only 1-loss team they would be ranked behind is Texas. If Oregon beats Washington, Oregon would be the odd team out. The committee wants an SEC team in and there are plenty of metrics they can fall back on to justify Alabama over Oregon.
The only way the SEC gets left out is if Washington, Texas, Alabama, Florida State and Michigan all win.
Which is a worse loss -- to a 1-loss Texas team early in the season, or to a 2-loss team (Oklahoma) in the middle of the season?
The committee, to their credit, hasn't been weighed down by recency bias over the years. Week 2, week 6, doesn't matter.
And you left out any context whatsoever. If both Texas and Bama win today, they'll have the same record, Texas will have the head-to-head,
and Texas will have a better signature win - Bama would jump Georgia, meaning a win over Bama would be more valuable than a win over Georgia. Not to mention, the gap between a 10-point loss at home to a top 5 team and a 4-point last-second loss at a neutral site to a top 15 team in a historically wild rivalry game is really not that large, if it even exists at all. There is 0 chance on God's green earth that Bama gets in over one-loss Texas.
And Texas is headed to the Playoff. Crazy that the SEC could be left out in the final year of the 4-team format that it dominated.
Florida State wins: 1) Michigan, 2) Washington, 3) FSU, 4) Texas
Florida State loses: 1) Michigan, 2) Washington, 3) Texas, 4) Bama
Florida St & Michigan loses - Washington, Texas, Alabama, Georgia
Michigan and Florida State win: Michigan, Washington, Texas, Florida State
Michigan and Louisville win: Michigan, Washington, Texas, Alabama
Iowa and Florida State win: Washington, Texas, Florida State, Alabama
Iowa and Louisville win: Washington, Texas, Alabama, Georgia
SO:
Michigan and Washington won. They're in.
FSU is well ahead of Louisville, so they're very likely in.
Last spot. Three 12-1 teams. Not up to your preference or bias, but what you think they will actually select:
* Alabama: SEC champion, beat undefeated Georgia.
* Texas: Big 12 champion, beat Alabama.
* Georgia: The only other team that went 12-0 in the regular season.
FSU's situation is weirdly similar to the position UCF was in in 2017. This FSU team has a stronger resume, but the team they're up against - coincidentally, Alabama - also has a much stronger case than they did in 2017.
What I think will ultimately bail the Seminoles out is that they beat LSU by more than Bama did. Also, I think the fact that Bama would be in if they scheduled another cupcake team instead of Texas is making people realize how broken the system is. With the information we have, Texas is better than Bama, but we wouldn't have any reason to think that if they hadn't played each other.
Quote from: thspfc on December 03, 2023, 12:04:06 AM
FSU's situation is weirdly similar to the position UCF was in in 2017. This FSU team has a stronger resume, but the team they're up against - coincidentally, Alabama - also has a much stronger case than they did in 2017.
What I think will ultimately bail the Seminoles out is that they beat LSU by more than Bama did. Also, I think the fact that Bama would be in if they scheduled another cupcake team instead of Texas is making people realize how broken the system is. With the information we have, Texas is better than Bama, but we wouldn't have any reason to think that if they hadn't played each other.
Of course FSU no longer has the QB that beat LSU, or any of their other wins except the last two.
Ultimately, FSU's defense keeps them in any game and Alabama needed sheer stupidity from Auburn to even be in this position, so I think FSU gets that 4th spot.
FSU had what was arguably the best defensive performance by anyone this year last night. Of everyone Louisville has played this year, nobody has held them to less than 20 points aside from NC State, whom Louisville beat 13-10. Holding Louisville to two field goals is huge. With the QB situation being what it was, the defense knew they would need to play lights out, which is exactly what they did.
Sure, the other side of the ball didn't look pretty. Brock Glenn's stat line leaves something to be desired (8/21, 55 yds), and he threw at least five passes that should have been picked off. But the playoff isn't for nearly another month, and Tate Rodemaker very likely will be back by then. He doesn't quite have the same running or playmaking ability as Jordan Travis, but his passing is on about the same level, and it's clear the passing game was what was missing last night. He's also got a good deal of experience from both this year and last year, especially valuable in a playoff situation.
Combine last night's defense with a Tate-led offense and you absolutely have a top 4 team. So I won't be hearing any arguments for why Alabama is more deserving.
Quote from: US 89 on December 03, 2023, 09:03:04 AM
FSU had what was arguably the best defensive performance by anyone this year last night. Of everyone Louisville has played this year, nobody has held them to less than 20 points aside from NC State, whom Louisville beat 13-10. Holding Louisville to two field goals is huge. With the QB situation being what it was, the defense knew they would need to play lights out, which is exactly what they did.
Sure, the other side of the ball didn't look pretty. Brock Glenn's stat line leaves something to be desired (8/21, 55 yds), and he threw at least five passes that should have been picked off. But the playoff isn't for nearly another month, and Tate Rodemaker very likely will be back by then. He doesn't quite have the same running or playmaking ability as Jordan Travis, but his passing is on about the same level, and it's clear the passing game was what was missing last night. He's also got a good deal of experience from both this year and last year, especially valuable in a playoff situation.
Combine last night's defense with a Tate-led offense and you absolutely have a top 4 team. So I won't be hearing any arguments for why Alabama is more deserving.
Here's the problem with the pro-SEC argument. Their claim to being better is built on a house of cards. They play very few quality non-conference games, and they lost the two marquee ones, to two teams they are competing with for playoff spots. The arguments for Alabama and/or Georgia being among the four best teams are based entirely on beating SEC teams, who collectively have very little on their resumes. The best wins I can find are Missouri over Kansas State and Mississippi over Tulane and that's not much to use to justify why your conference champion is better than the others.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 03, 2023, 10:49:13 AM
Quote from: US 89 on December 03, 2023, 09:03:04 AM
FSU had what was arguably the best defensive performance by anyone this year last night. Of everyone Louisville has played this year, nobody has held them to less than 20 points aside from NC State, whom Louisville beat 13-10. Holding Louisville to two field goals is huge. With the QB situation being what it was, the defense knew they would need to play lights out, which is exactly what they did.
Sure, the other side of the ball didn't look pretty. Brock Glenn's stat line leaves something to be desired (8/21, 55 yds), and he threw at least five passes that should have been picked off. But the playoff isn't for nearly another month, and Tate Rodemaker very likely will be back by then. He doesn't quite have the same running or playmaking ability as Jordan Travis, but his passing is on about the same level, and it's clear the passing game was what was missing last night. He's also got a good deal of experience from both this year and last year, especially valuable in a playoff situation.
Combine last night's defense with a Tate-led offense and you absolutely have a top 4 team. So I won't be hearing any arguments for why Alabama is more deserving.
Here's the problem with the pro-SEC argument. Their claim to being better is built on a house of cards. They play very few quality non-conference games, and they lost the two marquee ones, to two teams they are competing with for playoff spots. The arguments for Alabama and/or Georgia being among the four best teams are based entirely on beating SEC teams, who collectively have very little on their resumes. The best wins I can find are Missouri over Kansas State and Mississippi over Tulane and that's not much to use to justify why your conference champion is better than the others.
Agreed.
There's also the "4 best teams" fallacy. I'm a supporter of the 4 best teams making the Playoff, and I don't know how it could logically be done any other way. But the flawed perspective that's going around right now is that Bama is one of the 4 "best" teams, because their name is Alabama. Same thing with Georgia to an extent. It's based on previous seasons, not this one. Everyone says last year's TCU team was fraudulent, not a top 4 team, never should have made the Playoff, but swap the name on the jersey for Bama or Georgia, and that narrative would be completely different.
It should be quite clear that Texas is better than Alabama. FSU vs. Bama is hazier, but again, that LSU win is carrying a lot of weight.
I also don't buy the notion that Bama is a "different team" now than they were in September. The only game that can logically be based on is their narrow win over USF. Basing that narrative on their loss to Texas is flawed logic because that assumes straight away that Bama right now is better than Texas right now, and therefore "should" have beaten them. Bama beat #11 Ole Miss by 14 on September 23. They were always good.
Not to mention Bama has their share of ugly wins just like everyone else. USF, A&M, Arkansas, Auburn.
This is why I've proposed switching to a Swiss tournament system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_tournament_system). Teams play teams with the same record. Top however many by win/loss record make it; no human judgment. I'd make just one minor modification: within those with the same record, prioritize minimum total flight distance.
If you're 6-0, you're going to be playing the other 6-0 team in Week 7.
Michigan, Washington, Texas, Alabama. I understand why, but it really sucks for Florida State.
Quote from: 1 on December 03, 2023, 11:30:01 AM
This is why I've proposed switching to a Swiss tournament system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_tournament_system). Teams play teams with the same record. Top however many by win/loss record make it; no human judgment. I'd make just one minor modification: within those with the same record, prioritize minimum total flight distance.
If you're 6-0, you're going to be playing the other 6-0 team in Week 7.
God no.
Quote from: thspfc on December 03, 2023, 12:29:57 PM
Michigan, Washington, Texas, Alabama. I understand why, but it really sucks for Florida State.
Quote from: 1 on December 03, 2023, 11:30:01 AM
This is why I've proposed switching to a Swiss tournament system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_tournament_system). Teams play teams with the same record. Top however many by win/loss record make it; no human judgment. I'd make just one minor modification: within those with the same record, prioritize minimum total flight distance.
If you're 6-0, you're going to be playing the other 6-0 team in Week 7.
God no.
It sucks for the system overall. You now have an undefeated Power 5 conference not able to compete for the championship. I hope a lawsuit is filed and I hope the CFP is disbanded as a result.
Yeah, I agree that FSU was robbed. Remember the first year of the CFP when Ohio State lost to a mediocre Virginia Tech team at home after losing their first QB, later lost their second QB, and won the national championship with their third QB? :rolleyes:
Quote from: 74/171FAN on December 03, 2023, 01:11:46 PM
Yeah, I agree that FSU was robbed. Remember the first year of the CFP when Ohio State lost to a mediocre Virginia Tech team at home after losing their first QB, later lost their second QB, and won the national championship with their third QB? :rolleyes:
Objectively, yes FSU was robbed. Emotionally, this is just payback for them getting a championship they didn't deserve in 1993.
I'll be short and sweet. The subjective nature of these decisions is why I've never been a college football fan. Going back for several decades to the times when there was no playoff, when it was decided by sportswriters polls. Maybe it will be better with more teams in the mix. One hopes.
Quote from: tmoore952 on December 03, 2023, 01:59:58 PM
I'll be short and sweet. The subjective nature of these decisions is why I've never been a college football fan. Going back for several decades to the times when there was no playoff, when it was decided by sportswriters polls. Maybe it will be better with more teams in the mix. One hopes.
The answer is simple: Dissolve CFP and state a rule that the Power Five champions will all enter the playoffs. Include two Group of Five champions by ranking, and then the third spot is either an Independent team (if ranked) or a third Group of Five champion.
Quote from: tmoore952 on December 03, 2023, 01:59:58 PM
I'll be short and sweet. The subjective nature of these decisions is why I've never been a college football fan. Going back for several decades to the times when there was no playoff, when it was decided by sportswriters polls. Maybe it will be better with more teams in the mix. One hopes.
This is why the college football playoff expansion is needed. Thank God it will start next season.
5 Conference winners. 3 Wild cards. That's all you need. And one thing I would like to see happen is a strength of schedule formula to make the 3 wild cards as objective as possible. This would hopefully end the Alabama nonsense of schedule a creampuff like Mercer or Citadel before playing Auburn in the final week.
Quote from: Alps on December 03, 2023, 02:08:44 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on December 03, 2023, 01:59:58 PM
I'll be short and sweet. The subjective nature of these decisions is why I've never been a college football fan. Going back for several decades to the times when there was no playoff, when it was decided by sportswriters polls. Maybe it will be better with more teams in the mix. One hopes.
The answer is simple: Dissolve CFP and state a rule that the Power Five champions will all enter the playoffs. Include two Group of Five champions by ranking, and then the third spot is either an Independent team (if ranked) or a third Group of Five champion.
I'd say you give too many spots to the Group of Five there. Evidence: Liberty is the G5 team going to the New Year's Six, and they open as a
19.5 14.5 point underdog to Pac-12 second place finisher Oregon in the Fiesta Bowl.
Edit: I looked at a projection rather than an actual point spread. 5 points is a big difference, but 14.5 is still a lot in a supposedly premier bowl game.
Quote from: gonealookin on December 03, 2023, 02:49:11 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 03, 2023, 02:08:44 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on December 03, 2023, 01:59:58 PM
I'll be short and sweet. The subjective nature of these decisions is why I've never been a college football fan. Going back for several decades to the times when there was no playoff, when it was decided by sportswriters polls. Maybe it will be better with more teams in the mix. One hopes.
The answer is simple: Dissolve CFP and state a rule that the Power Five champions will all enter the playoffs. Include two Group of Five champions by ranking, and then the third spot is either an Independent team (if ranked) or a third Group of Five champion.
I'd say you give too many spots to the Group of Five there. Evidence: Liberty is the G5 team going to the New Year's Six, and they open as a 19.5 point underdog to Pac-12 second place finisher Oregon in the Fiesta Bowl.
People will overlook it because every other G5 contender would also get smoked by Oregon, but putting Liberty in the NY6 is also dangerous and potentially damaging. Other teams will look at Liberty's joke of a schedule and think, "if going undefeated against the most abysmal schedule we can possibly create gets us into (what will be) the Playoff, why would we schedule good teams?" The payday and exposure of making the Playoff no doubt outweighs what is to be gained from playing good teams out of conference.
I believe the tie-ins, if there will be any official ones at all, are not yet set for the new format. When Oregon's B team stomps Liberty there will be discussion about whether the G5 in its current state deserves a guaranteed tie-in at all, and honestly, I don't want to see teams like this Liberty team anywhere near the Playoff. If there's no automatic berth, G5 programs will actually have to prove that they've earned it (by playing good teams) instead of obnoxiously being 13-0 against a schedule that 80% of the power 5 would go undefeated against.
I'm just glad to see people with no affiliation to FSU are in agreement with me here.
Quote from: US 89 on December 03, 2023, 03:59:53 PM
I'm just glad to see people with no affiliation to FSU are in agreement with me here.
Or in my case, actively dislikes FSU.
Pushing an undefeated Power 5 team out due to injuries for a "name brand/one loss SEC team" is a bad precedent to set. I guess none of it will matter next year though when the playoffs expand.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 03, 2023, 04:20:37 PM
Pushing an undefeated Power 5 team out due to injuries for a "name brand/one loss SEC team" is a bad precedent to set. I guess none of it will matter next year though when the playoffs expand.
In fact, many years, some 9-3 15 rank Big 12 team will get a bye while an 11-1 SEC/BIG team has to play first round, but such is the ways of mega conferences.
The 2023 Bowls are now set.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U3mORtXKEYShaC8R43SKd3R0WnL2vc2QI_AD9_jPZfs/edit?usp=sharing
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 03, 2023, 05:53:42 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 03, 2023, 04:20:37 PM
Pushing an undefeated Power 5 team out due to injuries for a "name brand/one loss SEC team" is a bad precedent to set. I guess none of it will matter next year though when the playoffs expand.
In fact, many years, some 9-3 15 rank Big 12 team will get a bye while an 11-1 SEC/BIG team has to play first round, but such is the ways of mega conferences.
That won't happen. There's no chance that conference champions get preferantial treatment in seeding. Only perhaps in getting into the bracket in the first place.
Drop the bowls and go to an NCAA sanctioned tournament - full stop!
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 03, 2023, 06:07:25 PM
Drop the bowls and go to an NCAA sanctioned tournament - full stop!
Right. Every other level of college football can manage to have a real playoff, but FBS can't. There's too much invested in the current bowl system. Simply solution would be to make the bowl games the sites of the playoff games. But then somebody will whine that early round playoff games should be on campus. Whatever. Either way there should be a real playoff.
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 03, 2023, 05:54:16 PM
The 2023 Bowls are now set.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U3mORtXKEYShaC8R43SKd3R0WnL2vc2QI_AD9_jPZfs/edit?usp=sharing
How did Wisconsin gat a January 1 game? They are nowhere good enough to merit that.
Quote from: Big John on December 04, 2023, 01:38:34 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 03, 2023, 05:54:16 PM
The 2023 Bowls are now set.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U3mORtXKEYShaC8R43SKd3R0WnL2vc2QI_AD9_jPZfs/edit?usp=sharing
How did Wisconsin gat a January 1 game? They are nowhere good enough to merit that.
Big Ten got three teams into the NY6 games, so that's why.
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 03, 2023, 05:54:16 PM
The 2023 Bowls are now set.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U3mORtXKEYShaC8R43SKd3R0WnL2vc2QI_AD9_jPZfs/edit?usp=sharing
The "Duke's Mayo" Bowl? The "Pop Tarts" Bowl? This has gotten out of hand.
I've been saying for many years now that the winner of every Division 1A (I will NEVER refer to it as being anything else!) conference, the top independent (treat all of the independents as being in a single 'conference' for this purpose) and enough wild cards to make an even seeded single-elimination bracket should be the tournament. Schedule it so that the (for lack of a better term) 'College Super Bowl'. is the weekend before the NFL Super Bowl. IMHO, that would be interesting. And YES, the traditional bowl games could be bracket games in this tournament.
Mike
Quote from: wanderer2575 on December 04, 2023, 09:15:04 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 03, 2023, 05:54:16 PM
The 2023 Bowls are now set.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U3mORtXKEYShaC8R43SKd3R0WnL2vc2QI_AD9_jPZfs/edit?usp=sharing
The "Duke's Mayo" Bowl? The "Pop Tarts" Bowl? This has gotten out of hand.
Not the Tidy Bowl?
Sheesh!
Mike
FSU got fucked hard. I agree that somebody should sue the NCAA, the SEC, the CFP selection committee and ESPN. Tim Brando pretty much accused them of collusion, and I am inclined to agree. Wins and losses are supposed to matter. Alabama has always gotten preferential treatment, and this is an example of their privilege. I have been watching college football since 1981, but with the coaching drama at Arkansas when they kept a mediocre head coach then hired a guy who set the program back 15 years as the offensive coordinator, and combined with FSU getting screwed, I'm considering not watching any of the remaining games. Not as a boycott, but because it is a sport with zero integrity or fairness. Some heads need to roll for this, but you know they won't. Alabama has a long, rich tradition of cheating (they forfeited all their regular season games in 1993 and they vacated all their wins in 2005 and 2006 and the first 5 wins of the 2007 season) so this doesn't shock me. I am a fan of a team that happens to be in the SEC, but I hate the SEC, if that makes any sense. It's basketball season.
Quote from: Big John on December 04, 2023, 01:38:34 AM
How did Wisconsin gat a January 1 game? They are nowhere good enough to merit that.
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Because the fans travel well and buy a lot of beer?
Quote from: 1 on December 03, 2023, 11:30:01 AM
This is why I've proposed switching to a Swiss tournament system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_tournament_system). Teams play teams with the same record. Top however many by win/loss record make it; no human judgment. I'd make just one minor modification: within those with the same record, prioritize minimum total flight distance.
If you're 6-0, you're going to be playing the other 6-0 team in Week 7.
I think that system would be interesting, but there would be a couple adjustments I would make. With 128 FBS teams it only takes 7 rounds of Swiss System competition to determine a champion, which leaves a few weeks before that (about 6-8 depending on exact schedule) to play scheduled games such as rivalries. (And yes, there are currently more than 128 FBS teams. Teams that are newer to FBS can be assigned play-in games so that the original teams don't need to add an 8th Swiss System game just to accommodate them.)
Also the system would have to ensure that each team had a fair amount of home games. It does so automatically by default (teams generally alternating home/away with no team ever having to be away 3 games in a row) but in some edge cases there may be issues.
Quote from: tchafe1978 on December 04, 2023, 12:17:10 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 03, 2023, 06:07:25 PM
Drop the bowls and go to an NCAA sanctioned tournament - full stop!
Right. Every other level of college football can manage to have a real playoff, but FBS can't. There's too much invested in the current bowl system. Simply solution would be to make the bowl games the sites of the playoff games. But then somebody will whine that early round playoff games should be on campus. Whatever. Either way there should be a real playoff.
How's this for an idea:
12 team playoff
Possibly best 6 conference champions plus 6 at large, but likely best 5 conference champions and 7 at large
1-4 get a bye to the quarterfinals, 5-8 host 9-12 on campus.
Then four of the New Year's Six bowls host the quarterfinals and the other two host the semifinals, on a rotating basis.
The schedule for the next two years could even be....
2024 SeasonFirst Round (On-Campus)
Friday, December 20, 2024: One Game (evening)
Saturday, December 21, 2024: Three Games (early afternoon, late afternoon and evening)
Quarterfinals
Tuesday, December 31, 2024: Vrbo Fiesta Bowl (evening)
Wednesday, January 1, 2025: Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl (early afternoon), Rose Bowl Game (late afternoon) and Allstate Sugar Bowl (evening)
Semifinals
Thursday, January 9, 2025: Capital One Orange Bowl (evening)
Friday, January 10, 2025: Goodyear Cotton Bowl Classic (evening)
CFP National Championship
Monday, January 20, 2025: Mercedes-Benz Stadium, Atlanta, Georgia
2025 SeasonFirst Round (On-Campus)
Friday, December 19, 2025: One Game (evening)
Saturday, December 20, 2025: Three Games (early afternoon, late afternoon and evening)
Quarterfinals
Wednesday, December 31, 2025: Goodyear Cotton Bowl Classic (evening)
Thursday, January 1, 2026: Capital One Orange Bowl (early afternoon), Rose Bowl Game (late afternoon) and Allstate Sugar Bowl (evening)
Semifinals
Thursday, January 8, 2026: Vrbo Fiesta Bowl (evening)
Friday, January 9, 2026: Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl (evening)
CFP National Championship
Monday, January 19, 2026: Hard Rock Stadium, Miami Gardens, Florida
NOTE, this is literally what is happening.....it appears some of you haven't been paying attentionhttps://collegefootballplayoff.com/news/2023/5/2/24-25-dates.aspx
Quote from: Buck87 on December 05, 2023, 10:16:33 AM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on December 04, 2023, 12:17:10 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 03, 2023, 06:07:25 PM
Drop the bowls and go to an NCAA sanctioned tournament - full stop!
Right. Every other level of college football can manage to have a real playoff, but FBS can't. There's too much invested in the current bowl system. Simply solution would be to make the bowl games the sites of the playoff games. But then somebody will whine that early round playoff games should be on campus. Whatever. Either way there should be a real playoff.
How's this for an idea:
12 team playoff
Possibly best 6 conference champions plus 6 at large, but likely best 5 conference champions and 7 at large
It's a shitty idea because they are going to narrow this down to prevent Group of Five from ever having a chance.
Quote from: Alps on December 05, 2023, 05:50:31 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on December 05, 2023, 10:16:33 AM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on December 04, 2023, 12:17:10 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 03, 2023, 06:07:25 PM
Drop the bowls and go to an NCAA sanctioned tournament - full stop!
Right. Every other level of college football can manage to have a real playoff, but FBS can't. There's too much invested in the current bowl system. Simply solution would be to make the bowl games the sites of the playoff games. But then somebody will whine that early round playoff games should be on campus. Whatever. Either way there should be a real playoff.
How's this for an idea:
12 team playoff
Possibly best 6 conference champions plus 6 at large, but likely best 5 conference champions and 7 at large
It's a shitty idea because they are going to narrow this down to prevent Group of Five from ever having a chance.
I agree. The new system will find justifications to let the third-place SEC or Big 10 team in over the C-USA or MAC champions.
Quote from: Alps on December 05, 2023, 05:50:31 PM
It's a shitty idea because they are going to narrow this down to prevent Group of Five from ever having a chance.
6+6 was done to leave at least one spot for a group of 5 champion to get in (presumably it would always be the 5 Power conference champs plus the best group of 5 champ, but there were no automatic bids so theoretically there could be something like four P5 and two G5 if one of the P5 champs was really weak)
Then the Pac-12 fell apart, so discussions started that it should change to a 5+7 setup to reflect the new P4/G5 setup, still giving the G5 at least one spot. The question of 6+6 vs 5+7 hasn't been decided yet, but should be sometime this month:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10096907-report-college-football-playoff-committee-to-present-57-model-for-12-team-format
Quote from: Buck87 on December 05, 2023, 10:52:56 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 05, 2023, 05:50:31 PM
It's a shitty idea because they are going to narrow this down to prevent Group of Five from ever having a chance.
6+6 was done to leave at least one spot for a group of 5 champion to get in (presumably it would always be the 5 Power conference champs plus the best group of 5 champ, but there were no automatic bids so theoretically there could be something like four P5 and two G5 if one of the P5 champs was really weak)
Then the Pac-12 fell apart, so discussions started that it should change to a 5+7 setup to reflect the new P4/G5 setup, still giving the G5 at least one spot. The question of 6+6 vs 5+7 hasn't been decided yet, but should be sometime this month:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10096907-report-college-football-playoff-committee-to-present-57-model-for-12-team-format
Yeah, but here's what'll happen: They will decide on 5+7, then magically the Pac-12 will merge with Mountain West and be considered a Power conference, resulting in 5+4 and making sure the playoffs are Power only.
Quote from: DTComposer on December 05, 2023, 07:06:20 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 05, 2023, 05:50:31 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on December 05, 2023, 10:16:33 AM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on December 04, 2023, 12:17:10 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 03, 2023, 06:07:25 PM
Drop the bowls and go to an NCAA sanctioned tournament - full stop!
Right. Every other level of college football can manage to have a real playoff, but FBS can't. There's too much invested in the current bowl system. Simply solution would be to make the bowl games the sites of the playoff games. But then somebody will whine that early round playoff games should be on campus. Whatever. Either way there should be a real playoff.
How's this for an idea:
12 team playoff
Possibly best 6 conference champions plus 6 at large, but likely best 5 conference champions and 7 at large
It's a shitty idea because they are going to narrow this down to prevent Group of Five from ever having a chance.
I agree. The new system will find justifications to let the third-place SEC or Big 10 team in over the C-USA or MAC champions.
And that's a bad thing?
The third-place SEC or Big Ten team will beat the brakes off just about any MAC or C-USA champion. The only exception to this I can think of was Western Michigan's 2016 team, the best MAC team I can remember, who still lost by 8 to the Big Ten's 4th best team (Wisconsin).
Creating a false sense of fairness in an inherently unfair sport is not worth making one or more of the first round games a 100% predicted whooping every single year. I don't want to see MAC teams in the playoff - I want to see competitive games.
Quote from: Alps on December 06, 2023, 07:09:55 PM
Yeah, but here's what'll happen: They will decide on 5+7, then magically the Pac-12 will merge with Mountain West and be considered a Power conference, resulting in 5+4 and making sure the playoffs are Power only.
The CFP Board of Managers has 11 members, one representing each of the 10 conferences plus 1 from Notre Dame.
Changing the model to 5+7 requires a unanimous vote.
It's very possible that the current Pac-12 uncertainty could lead to them not having the unanimity required to do the 5+7 change immediately and that the 2024 season would still be 6+6.
Either way, whether they decide on 5+7 now or in the future, because there are all 5 Group of 5 conferences represented on the board, I highly doubt the board will vote for something that would guarantee the G5 being left out entirely.
Quote from: Buck87 on December 07, 2023, 04:22:47 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 06, 2023, 07:09:55 PM
Yeah, but here's what'll happen: They will decide on 5+7, then magically the Pac-12 will merge with Mountain West and be considered a Power conference, resulting in 5+4 and making sure the playoffs are Power only.
The CFP Board of Managers has 11 members, one representing each of the 10 conferences plus 1 from Notre Dame.
Changing the model to 5+7 requires a unanimous vote.
It's very possible that the current Pac-12 uncertainty could lead to them not having the unanimity required to do the 5+7 change immediately and that the 2024 season would still be 6+6.
Either way, whether they decide on 5+7 now or in the future, because there are all 5 Group of 5 conferences represented on the board, I highly doubt the board will vote for something that would guarantee the G5 being left out entirely.
They might vote to temporarily change it to 5+7 for the 2024 and 2025 seasons, since 2026 is the earliest that the PAC-12 might reconstitute. Even if they pulled the 10 best programs from across all the G5 conferences, would that make it strong enough to be considered a P5 conference though?
What really needs to happen is that football needs to have entirely separate conference structure from the other sports. The PAC-12 schools are never going to get back together in football, but for god's sake put it back together for the other sports so we don't have kids flying all over the country for weeknight contests in every single sport.
The Army-Navy Game is happening right now at Goethe Stadium in Foxboro, MA. Saw the game traffic and state police escort of the teams on I-95 earlier today, and the helicopters fly over in my town.
Ugh, get it together, Navy.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on December 04, 2023, 09:15:04 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 03, 2023, 05:54:16 PM
The 2023 Bowls are now set.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U3mORtXKEYShaC8R43SKd3R0WnL2vc2QI_AD9_jPZfs/edit?usp=sharing
The "Duke's Mayo" Bowl? The "Pop Tarts" Bowl? This has gotten out of hand.
I agree. I prefer referring to the Bowls by their traditional names. Tangerine, Citrus, Cactus, etc.
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 09, 2023, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on December 04, 2023, 09:15:04 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 03, 2023, 05:54:16 PM
The 2023 Bowls are now set.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U3mORtXKEYShaC8R43SKd3R0WnL2vc2QI_AD9_jPZfs/edit?usp=sharing
The "Duke's Mayo" Bowl? The "Pop Tarts" Bowl? This has gotten out of hand.
I agree. I prefer referring to the Bowls by their traditional names. Tangerine, Citrus, Cactus, etc.
I will do whatever it takes to drop the corporate portion of name when saying it. Irritant that ESPN and all their employees are forced to include it whenever they refer to a bowl game.
Quote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:08:24 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 09, 2023, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on December 04, 2023, 09:15:04 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 03, 2023, 05:54:16 PM
The 2023 Bowls are now set.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U3mORtXKEYShaC8R43SKd3R0WnL2vc2QI_AD9_jPZfs/edit?usp=sharing
The "Duke's Mayo" Bowl? The "Pop Tarts" Bowl? This has gotten out of hand.
I agree. I prefer referring to the Bowls by their traditional names. Tangerine, Citrus, Cactus, etc.
I will do whatever it takes to drop the corporate portion of name when saying it. Irritant that ESPN and all their employees are forced to include it whenever they refer to a bowl game.
Some of these games are so new that they never had a traditional name. What are there, 43 bowl games now?
I just say Team A/Team B Bowl game if no suitable name is given.
Quote from: rlb2024 on December 09, 2023, 06:18:33 PM
Quote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:08:24 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 09, 2023, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on December 04, 2023, 09:15:04 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 03, 2023, 05:54:16 PM
The 2023 Bowls are now set.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U3mORtXKEYShaC8R43SKd3R0WnL2vc2QI_AD9_jPZfs/edit?usp=sharing
The "Duke's Mayo" Bowl? The "Pop Tarts" Bowl? This has gotten out of hand.
I agree. I prefer referring to the Bowls by their traditional names. Tangerine, Citrus, Cactus, etc.
I will do whatever it takes to drop the corporate portion of name when saying it. Irritant that ESPN and all their employees are forced to include it whenever they refer to a bowl game.
Some of these games are so new that they never had a traditional name. What are there, 43 bowl games now?
The ridiculous sponsorship names, along with some of the silly gimmicks like the winning coach of the Duke's Mayo Bowl getting a huge bucket of the sponsor's product dumped all over him, are the best parts of many of these games.
The games themselves are usually dreadful, and it's not because "there are too many bowl games". It's because many of the players who played the regular season have entered the transfer portal or are passing up the game "to prepare for the NFL Draft" (or more accurately, to avoid risking an injury which would cost them a ton of NFL money), and because the coach and his staff have taken other jobs and are no longer with the team, or in some cases have even been fired. The end product looks an awful lot like an NFL preseason game, an unwatchable affair where nobody really cares about the final score.
It's too bad. Bowl games used to be pretty big events for the participating schools and for the host city. Now except for the playoff games and just a few other top-tier games they are often played before very sparse crowds. Calling a game a "Bowl Game" still reliably draws good ratings for ESPN, however, and that's why they continue to exist.
Quote from: gonealookin on December 09, 2023, 07:08:22 PM
The ridiculous sponsorship names, along with some of the silly gimmicks like the winning coach of the Duke's Mayo Bowl getting a huge bucket of the sponsor's product dumped all over him, are the best parts of many of these games.
The games themselves are usually dreadful, and it's not because "there are too many bowl games". It's because many of the players who played the regular season have entered the transfer portal or are passing up the game "to prepare for the NFL Draft" (or more accurately, to avoid risking an injury which would cost them a ton of NFL money), and because the coach and his staff have taken other jobs and are no longer with the team, or in some cases have even been fired. The end product looks an awful lot like an NFL preseason game, an unwatchable affair where nobody really cares about the final score.
It's too bad. Bowl games used to be pretty big events for the participating schools and for the host city. Now except for the playoff games and just a few other top-tier games they are often played before very sparse crowds. Calling a game a "Bowl Game" still reliably draws good ratings for ESPN, however, and that's why they continue to exist.
Exactly. But I don't play ESPN's game. The only time I've watched any postseason college football games the last 20 years is when Delaware is in FCS playoffs (rare), or I've been at New Years parties and the semifinal games was what is on the TV. Was it last year that the semifinal game ended at the stroke of EST midnight? Half of us were watching ball drop, other half was watching the end of the football game. I guess that's the wave of the future. You can have it.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on December 04, 2023, 09:15:04 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 03, 2023, 05:54:16 PM
The 2023 Bowls are now set.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U3mORtXKEYShaC8R43SKd3R0WnL2vc2QI_AD9_jPZfs/edit?usp=sharing
The "Duke's Mayo" Bowl? The "Pop Tarts" Bowl? This has gotten out of hand.
How about the Famous Tostary Bowl? I had to Google that one. Famous Tostary is a regional restaurant chain, mostly in the Carolinas and Virginia. Being 2500 miles away in Arizona, I have no idea if their food is any good, but they are in no way qualified to sponsor a college bowl game. ESPN has hit bottom with that one, and I thought the Famous Idaho Potato bowl was bad. What's next -- the Viagra Bowl?
After the Army win today, all 3 military academies are now into double digits for Commander-in-Chief's Trophy wins:
Air Force - 21
Navy - 16
Army - 10
3 way shares - 5
Pixel 7 Pro
Quote from: 74/171FAN on December 03, 2023, 01:11:46 PM
Yeah, I agree that FSU was robbed. Remember the first year of the CFP when Ohio State lost to a mediocre Virginia Tech team at home after losing their first QB, later lost their second QB, and won the national championship with their third QB? :rolleyes:
Ohio State got in because they steamrolled Wisconsin in the Big 10 championship. I'm also willing to bet that Ohio State got in because more people will tune in with Ohio State than they would have with either Baylor or TCU. Even though I can't stand FSU, they did everything they were supposed to do and didn't get in. Someone that I know that is an FSU had a good point: If losing Jordan Travis was an issue, why didn't the committee drop them out of the top five after he was hurt during the regular season?
Quote from: tchafe1978 on December 04, 2023, 12:17:10 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 03, 2023, 06:07:25 PM
Drop the bowls and go to an NCAA sanctioned tournament - full stop!
Right. Every other level of college football can manage to have a real playoff, but FBS can't. There's too much invested in the current bowl system. Simply solution would be to make the bowl games the sites of the playoff games. But then somebody will whine that early round playoff games should be on campus. Whatever. Either way there should be a real playoff.
There are too many bowls to begin with. Many of them don't even close to selling out. Also, players that are leaving for the NFL draft or transferring to other schools don't even play in them, unless it's a playoff game.
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 09, 2023, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on December 04, 2023, 09:15:04 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 03, 2023, 05:54:16 PM
The 2023 Bowls are now set.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U3mORtXKEYShaC8R43SKd3R0WnL2vc2QI_AD9_jPZfs/edit?usp=sharing
The "Duke's Mayo" Bowl? The "Pop Tarts" Bowl? This has gotten out of hand.
I agree. I prefer referring to the Bowls by their traditional names. Tangerine, Citrus, Cactus, etc.
Plus Rose, Orange and Cotton and maybe a very select few others. Those should be all that this needed. :spin:
Mike
Quote from: golden eagle on December 09, 2023, 11:34:31 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on December 04, 2023, 12:17:10 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 03, 2023, 06:07:25 PM
Drop the bowls and go to an NCAA sanctioned tournament - full stop!
Right. Every other level of college football can manage to have a real playoff, but FBS can't. There's too much invested in the current bowl system. Simply solution would be to make the bowl games the sites of the playoff games. But then somebody will whine that early round playoff games should be on campus. Whatever. Either way there should be a real playoff.
There are too many bowls to begin with. Many of them don't even close to selling out. Also, players that are leaving for the NFL draft or transferring to other schools don't even play in them, unless it's a playoff game.
For the coaches, the bowls are more about the extra practices they get with the players (almost a month's worth in many cases). They are money-losing propositions for the schools unless it's one of the major bowls, but the extra practice time is invaluable.
Quote from: rlb2024 on December 09, 2023, 06:18:33 PM
Quote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:08:24 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 09, 2023, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on December 04, 2023, 09:15:04 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 03, 2023, 05:54:16 PM
The 2023 Bowls are now set.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U3mORtXKEYShaC8R43SKd3R0WnL2vc2QI_AD9_jPZfs/edit?usp=sharing
The "Duke's Mayo" Bowl? The "Pop Tarts" Bowl? This has gotten out of hand.
I agree. I prefer referring to the Bowls by their traditional names. Tangerine, Citrus, Cactus, etc.
I will do whatever it takes to drop the corporate portion of name when saying it. Irritant that ESPN and all their employees are forced to include it whenever they refer to a bowl game.
Some of these games are so new that they never had a traditional name. What are there, 43 bowl games now?
Duke's Mayo is an example of those—its original name was the Continental Tire Bowl, then it was the Meineke Car Care Bowl.
The one bowl name that was simply the sponsor's name that I thought was a decent name was one of the first such—the Blockbuster Bowl back in the early 1990s at Joe Robbie Stadium. That name is exactly the connotation you want, and the first matchup or two lived up to it. But then Blockbuster pulled the sponsorship after failing to get a permanent matchup of conference champions and it became the unlamented Carquest Bowl and later the MicronPC.com Bowl, before ultimately relocating to Orlando as a revived Tangerine Bowl (a name that didn't last long either).
The Famous Toastery Bowl is normally the Bahamas Bowl but was moved stateside because of stadium construction rendering the venue in the Bahamas unavailable.
I want bowl names that actually fit in bowls, like cereal brands. Unfortunately, pop tarts are not (yet) a cereal.
NIU off to the Camellia Bowl
Don't know if you watched the Montana vs. NDSU semifinal game for the FCS Championship last Saturday night, but, bruh! That was nuts. I thought Montana was dusted when the fourth quarter ended. I got a bit disgusted thinking it was over when NDSU ties up the game at 16 apiece. Then they score on the next possession to start 1OT. After that, it was Griz and Bison throwing haymakers in 2OT, but the boys of Montana got the last strike and move on to face the Jackrabbits of South Dakota State in the FCS Championship in Frisco. That was by far worth the watch than the hot pile of puke bowl games that aired during the early window on Saturday. I call that "the Miracle in Missoula". Yeah, say what you will about Miracle on Ice, Miracle in Minneapolis, Immaculate Catch, whatever. If you think the double OT slobber knocker wasn't your fix, I'm not so sure what your were watching then on Saturday.
Quote from: 1 on December 10, 2023, 02:19:31 PM
I want bowl names that actually fit in bowls, like cereal brands. Unfortunately, pop tarts are not (yet) a cereal.
Actually, it is . . .
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Kellogg-s-Pop-Tarts-Frosted-Strawberry-Cold-Breakfast-Cereal-17-oz/759353321 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Kellogg-s-Pop-Tarts-Frosted-Strawberry-Cold-Breakfast-Cereal-17-oz/759353321)
Syracuse, which started the season 4-0 against a nonconference schedule of Colgate, Western Michigan, Purdue and Army, but then went 2-6 in ACC conference play and fired the head coach en route, is currently trailing South Florida 45-0 in the fourth quarter of the RoofClaim.com Boca Raton Bowl, which kind of validates the argument that "there are too many bowl games" because crap teams like Syracuse are needed to fill the last few slots.
Quote from: gonealookin on December 21, 2023, 11:23:15 PM
Syracuse, which started the season 4-0 against a nonconference schedule of Colgate, Western Michigan, Purdue and Army, but then went 2-6 in ACC conference play and fired the head coach en route, is currently trailing South Florida 45-0 in the fourth quarter of the RoofClaim.com Boca Raton Bowl, which kind of validates the argument that "there are too many bowl games" because crap teams like Syracuse are needed to fill the last few slots.
And their QB is a tight end wearing #89–because their top two QB's decided not to play this game.
How many bowl games are there now? 40? There shouldn't be more than 20, other than the ones used for the National Semifinal games. Teams with eight or more victories should be the benchmark. No 7-5 and definitely no 6-6 teams should be in bowl games. The only exception would be if less than 40 teams (say 37 teams) had eight victories, then maybe some of the 7-5 teams could be considered, depending on conference and schedule strength.
Of course, $$$$$$$$$$ drives the College Bowl Season.
Quote from: 1 on December 10, 2023, 02:19:31 PM
I want bowl names that actually fit in bowls, like cereal brands. Unfortunately, pop tarts are not (yet) a cereal.
The Tidy Bowl!
:spin:
Mike
Quote from: amroad17 on December 23, 2023, 08:33:45 AM
Quote from: gonealookin on December 21, 2023, 11:23:15 PM
Syracuse, which started the season 4-0 against a nonconference schedule of Colgate, Western Michigan, Purdue and Army, but then went 2-6 in ACC conference play and fired the head coach en route, is currently trailing South Florida 45-0 in the fourth quarter of the RoofClaim.com Boca Raton Bowl, which kind of validates the argument that "there are too many bowl games" because crap teams like Syracuse are needed to fill the last few slots.
And their QB is a tight end wearing #89–because their top two QB's decided not to play this game.
How many bowl games are there now? 40? There shouldn't be more than 20, other than the ones used for the National Semifinal games. Teams with eight or more victories should be the benchmark. No 7-5 and definitely no 6-6 teams should be in bowl games. The only exception would be if less than 40 teams (say 37 teams) had eight victories, then maybe some of the 7-5 teams could be considered, depending on conference and schedule strength.
Of course, $$$$$$$$$$ drives the College Bowl Season.
That one 'bowl' game that I caught some of while at a local bar a few nights ago (played in Boca Raton, FL) looked to have a very thin crowd of fans in the stands.
Mike
Quote from: amroad17 on December 23, 2023, 08:33:45 AM
Quote from: gonealookin on December 21, 2023, 11:23:15 PM
Syracuse, which started the season 4-0 against a nonconference schedule of Colgate, Western Michigan, Purdue and Army, but then went 2-6 in ACC conference play and fired the head coach en route, is currently trailing South Florida 45-0 in the fourth quarter of the RoofClaim.com Boca Raton Bowl, which kind of validates the argument that "there are too many bowl games" because crap teams like Syracuse are needed to fill the last few slots.
And their QB is a tight end wearing #89–because their top two QB's decided not to play this game.
How many bowl games are there now? 40? There shouldn't be more than 20, other than the ones used for the National Semifinal games. Teams with eight or more victories should be the benchmark. No 7-5 and definitely no 6-6 teams should be in bowl games. The only exception would be if less than 40 teams (say 37 teams) had eight victories, then maybe some of the 7-5 teams could be considered, depending on conference and schedule strength.
Of course, $$$$$$$$$$ drives the College Bowl Season.
This backs up my opinion that we at Maryland backed into our bowl appearance for next week.
Quote from: amroad17 on December 23, 2023, 08:33:45 AM
Quote from: gonealookin on December 21, 2023, 11:23:15 PM
How many bowl games are there now? 40?
41, not including the national championship game, to wit:
68 Ventures Bowl
Alamo Bowl
Arizona Bowl
Armed Forces Bowl
Birmingham Bowl
Boca Raton Bowl
Camellia Bowl
Citrus Bowl
Cotton Bowl Classic
Cure Bowl
Duke's Mayo Bowl
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl
Famous Toastery Bowl
Fenway Bowl
Fiesta Bowl
First Responder Bowl
Frisco Bowl
Gasparilla Bowl
Gator Bowl
Guaranteed Rate Bowl
Hawaii Bowl
Holiday Bowl
Independence Bowl
LA Bowl
Las Vegas Bowl
Liberty Bowl
Military Bowl
Music City Bowl
Myrtle Beach Bowl
New Mexico Bowl
New Orleans Bowl
Orange Bowl
Peach Bowl
Pinstripe Bowl
Pop-Tarts Bowl
Quick Lane Bowl
ReliaQuest Bowl
Rose Bowl
Sugar Bowl
Sun Bowl
Texas Bowl
First bowl win for NIU in 11 years, and its against the same team they beat last time
Quote from: mgk920 on December 23, 2023, 02:29:24 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on December 23, 2023, 08:33:45 AM
Quote from: gonealookin on December 21, 2023, 11:23:15 PM
Syracuse, which started the season 4-0 against a nonconference schedule of Colgate, Western Michigan, Purdue and Army, but then went 2-6 in ACC conference play and fired the head coach en route, is currently trailing South Florida 45-0 in the fourth quarter of the RoofClaim.com Boca Raton Bowl, which kind of validates the argument that "there are too many bowl games" because crap teams like Syracuse are needed to fill the last few slots.
And their QB is a tight end wearing #89–because their top two QB's decided not to play this game.
How many bowl games are there now? 40? There shouldn't be more than 20, other than the ones used for the National Semifinal games. Teams with eight or more victories should be the benchmark. No 7-5 and definitely no 6-6 teams should be in bowl games. The only exception would be if less than 40 teams (say 37 teams) had eight victories, then maybe some of the 7-5 teams could be considered, depending on conference and schedule strength.
Of course, $$$$$$$$$$ drives the College Bowl Season.
That one 'bowl' game that I caught some of while at a local bar a few nights ago (played in Boca Raton, FL) looked to have a very thin crowd of fans in the stands.
Mike
I'm currently watching a bowl game being played outdoors in Boston in late December. Pretty clear indication that the TV audience and not ticket sales are driving the glut of bowl games.
^^There is the annual bowl game played on the smurf turf in Boise.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 28, 2023, 11:33:02 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 23, 2023, 02:29:24 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on December 23, 2023, 08:33:45 AM
Quote from: gonealookin on December 21, 2023, 11:23:15 PM
Syracuse, which started the season 4-0 against a nonconference schedule of Colgate, Western Michigan, Purdue and Army, but then went 2-6 in ACC conference play and fired the head coach en route, is currently trailing South Florida 45-0 in the fourth quarter of the RoofClaim.com Boca Raton Bowl, which kind of validates the argument that "there are too many bowl games" because crap teams like Syracuse are needed to fill the last few slots.
And their QB is a tight end wearing #89–because their top two QB's decided not to play this game.
How many bowl games are there now? 40? There shouldn't be more than 20, other than the ones used for the National Semifinal games. Teams with eight or more victories should be the benchmark. No 7-5 and definitely no 6-6 teams should be in bowl games. The only exception would be if less than 40 teams (say 37 teams) had eight victories, then maybe some of the 7-5 teams could be considered, depending on conference and schedule strength.
Of course, $$$$$$$$$$ drives the College Bowl Season.
That one 'bowl' game that I caught some of while at a local bar a few nights ago (played in Boca Raton, FL) looked to have a very thin crowd of fans in the stands.
Mike
I'm currently watching a bowl game being played outdoors in Boston in late December. Pretty clear indication that the TV audience and not ticket sales are driving the glut of bowl games.
There have been local ads for game tickets going up to last night. Given it was a de facto home game for BC you would think they could have pushed a broader gate then 16,238. It was a particularly crap day for a sporting event today, but it was still 45 degrees out and I've seen Red Sox in colder than that.
Quote from: SectorZ on December 28, 2023, 05:40:39 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 28, 2023, 11:33:02 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 23, 2023, 02:29:24 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on December 23, 2023, 08:33:45 AM
Quote from: gonealookin on December 21, 2023, 11:23:15 PM
Syracuse, which started the season 4-0 against a nonconference schedule of Colgate, Western Michigan, Purdue and Army, but then went 2-6 in ACC conference play and fired the head coach en route, is currently trailing South Florida 45-0 in the fourth quarter of the RoofClaim.com Boca Raton Bowl, which kind of validates the argument that "there are too many bowl games" because crap teams like Syracuse are needed to fill the last few slots.
And their QB is a tight end wearing #89–because their top two QB's decided not to play this game.
How many bowl games are there now? 40? There shouldn't be more than 20, other than the ones used for the National Semifinal games. Teams with eight or more victories should be the benchmark. No 7-5 and definitely no 6-6 teams should be in bowl games. The only exception would be if less than 40 teams (say 37 teams) had eight victories, then maybe some of the 7-5 teams could be considered, depending on conference and schedule strength.
Of course, $$$$$$$$$$ drives the College Bowl Season.
That one 'bowl' game that I caught some of while at a local bar a few nights ago (played in Boca Raton, FL) looked to have a very thin crowd of fans in the stands.
Mike
I'm currently watching a bowl game being played outdoors in Boston in late December. Pretty clear indication that the TV audience and not ticket sales are driving the glut of bowl games.
There have been local ads for game tickets going up to last night. Given it was a de facto home game for BC you would think they could have pushed a broader gate then 16,238. It was a particularly crap day for a sporting event today, but it was still 45 degrees out and I've seen Red Sox in colder than that.
In fairness, it is winter break when most students are away, and Boston isn't a college football mecca compared to the Midwest and South.
Quote from: SectorZ on December 28, 2023, 05:40:39 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 28, 2023, 11:33:02 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 23, 2023, 02:29:24 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on December 23, 2023, 08:33:45 AM
Quote from: gonealookin on December 21, 2023, 11:23:15 PM
Syracuse, which started the season 4-0 against a nonconference schedule of Colgate, Western Michigan, Purdue and Army, but then went 2-6 in ACC conference play and fired the head coach en route, is currently trailing South Florida 45-0 in the fourth quarter of the RoofClaim.com Boca Raton Bowl, which kind of validates the argument that "there are too many bowl games" because crap teams like Syracuse are needed to fill the last few slots.
And their QB is a tight end wearing #89–because their top two QB's decided not to play this game.
How many bowl games are there now? 40? There shouldn't be more than 20, other than the ones used for the National Semifinal games. Teams with eight or more victories should be the benchmark. No 7-5 and definitely no 6-6 teams should be in bowl games. The only exception would be if less than 40 teams (say 37 teams) had eight victories, then maybe some of the 7-5 teams could be considered, depending on conference and schedule strength.
Of course, $$$$$$$$$$ drives the College Bowl Season.
That one 'bowl' game that I caught some of while at a local bar a few nights ago (played in Boca Raton, FL) looked to have a very thin crowd of fans in the stands.
Mike
I'm currently watching a bowl game being played outdoors in Boston in late December. Pretty clear indication that the TV audience and not ticket sales are driving the glut of bowl games.
There have been local ads for game tickets going up to last night. Given it was a de facto home game for BC you would think they could have pushed a broader gate then 16,238. It was a particularly crap day for a sporting event today, but it was still 45 degrees out and I've seen Red Sox in colder than that.
But it was also raining too, wasn't it?
Looks like the issue of Alabama getting the last playoff spot over Florida State was settled fairly definitively with some input from the Georgia Bulldogs.
Quote from: gonealookin on December 30, 2023, 07:50:04 PM
Looks like the issue of Alabama getting the last playoff spot over Florida State was settled fairly definitively with some input from the Georgia Bulldogs.
Yeah but if FSU made it into the playoffs, all their players would be active and pumped to have a chance. I'm sure some of them declared for the draft, some are sitting out to avoid injury, and the rest just don't care the same.
Quote from: Alps on December 30, 2023, 11:20:14 PM
Quote from: gonealookin on December 30, 2023, 07:50:04 PM
Looks like the issue of Alabama getting the last playoff spot over Florida State was settled fairly definitively with some input from the Georgia Bulldogs.
Yeah but if FSU made it into the playoffs, all their players would be active and pumped to have a chance. I'm sure some of them declared for the draft, some are sitting out to avoid injury, and the rest just don't care the same.
Their loss would have been more excusable given the circumstances of getting snubbed from the playoff if not for the fact that Georgia was playing from a similar standpoint in that they were also snubbed. Georgia was pumped and ready to play, and even when they started playing their backups, they were destroying FSU's players. All I can say is the loss seems to reflect poorly on how FSU is run and coached, especially when compared with Georgia.
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Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 28, 2023, 11:33:02 AM
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Quote from: amroad17 on December 23, 2023, 08:33:45 AM
Quote from: gonealookin on December 21, 2023, 11:23:15 PM
Syracuse, which started the season 4-0 against a nonconference schedule of Colgate, Western Michigan, Purdue and Army, but then went 2-6 in ACC conference play and fired the head coach en route, is currently trailing South Florida 45-0 in the fourth quarter of the RoofClaim.com Boca Raton Bowl, which kind of validates the argument that "there are too many bowl games" because crap teams like Syracuse are needed to fill the last few slots.
And their QB is a tight end wearing #89–because their top two QB's decided not to play this game.
How many bowl games are there now? 40? There shouldn't be more than 20, other than the ones used for the National Semifinal games. Teams with eight or more victories should be the benchmark. No 7-5 and definitely no 6-6 teams should be in bowl games. The only exception would be if less than 40 teams (say 37 teams) had eight victories, then maybe some of the 7-5 teams could be considered, depending on conference and schedule strength.
Of course, $$$$$$$$$$ drives the College Bowl Season.
That one 'bowl' game that I caught some of while at a local bar a few nights ago (played in Boca Raton, FL) looked to have a very thin crowd of fans in the stands.
Mike
I'm currently watching a bowl game being played outdoors in Boston in late December. Pretty clear indication that the TV audience and not ticket sales are driving the glut of bowl games.
There have been local ads for game tickets going up to last night. Given it was a de facto home game for BC you would think they could have pushed a broader gate then 16,238. It was a particularly crap day for a sporting event today, but it was still 45 degrees out and I've seen Red Sox in colder than that.
But it was also raining too, wasn't it?
Yep.
Quote from: Alps on December 30, 2023, 11:20:14 PM
Quote from: gonealookin on December 30, 2023, 07:50:04 PM
Looks like the issue of Alabama getting the last playoff spot over Florida State was settled fairly definitively with some input from the Georgia Bulldogs.
Yeah but if FSU made it into the playoffs, all their players would be active and pumped to have a chance. I'm sure some of them declared for the draft, some are sitting out to avoid injury, and the rest just don't care the same.
According to my newspaper this morning, 25 FSU players either declared for the draft or went to the transfer portal. So I'm not going to blame FSU coaching (not that I care).
The problem IMO is that transfers and deferrments are allowed before the bowl games. An article in the Washington Post pointed out that you'd never have NFL free agency begin after the NFL regular season and before the NFL postseason.
Quote from: gonealookin on December 09, 2023, 07:08:22 PM
The ridiculous sponsorship names, along with some of the silly gimmicks like the winning coach of the Duke's Mayo Bowl getting a huge bucket of the sponsor's product dumped all over him, are the best parts of many of these games.
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 10, 2023, 02:18:05 PM
Duke's Mayo is an example of those—its original name was the Continental Tire Bowl, then it was the Meineke Car Care Bowl.
How exactly did they dump a bucket of car care on a football coach?
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 31, 2023, 10:54:59 AM
How exactly did they dump a bucket of car care on a football coach?
This business (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.704641,-71.1809498,3a,75y,189.33h,86.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1svGdDx2-baqYB1NIOJAY79Q!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DvGdDx2-baqYB1NIOJAY79Q%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D116.09746%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) advertises "COMPLETE CAR CAR" (and has for years). If you were underneath the missing letter when it fell...
Quote from: Big John on December 28, 2023, 04:39:44 PM
^^There is the annual bowl game played on the smurf turf in Boise.
I went to that game in 2004. It was a very good trip aside from the final score of the game; a friend and I went skiing at Bogus Basin the day after the game. I recall before the game they didn't have the field blocked off and I went ahead and wandered out onto it to take pictures. A stadium worker then came over and, instead of ejecting me, offered to take my picture at midfield. Quite a more relaxed atmosphere than what I'm used to on the East Coast, to say the least.
What a day for college football: Michigan comes back and beats Alabama in OT in the Rose Bowl, while Washington holds off Texas in the Sugar Bowl, thus setting up a Wolverine-Husky battle for the national championship. It will be the first national title game without the SEC since 2015.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/last-non-sec-national-championship-alabama/1bdc601ae15b8d721d566c8d
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on January 02, 2024, 05:35:23 AM
What a day for college football: Michigan comes back and beats Alabama in OT in the Rose Bowl, while Washington holds off Texas in the Sugar Bowl, thus setting up a Wolverine-Husky battle for the national championship. It will be the first national title game without the SEC since 2015.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/last-non-sec-national-championship-alabama/1bdc601ae15b8d721d566c8d
Amazing how paying players becomes legal and suddenly the other conferences are as good as the SEC.
I'm confused. What are you claiming happened?
A quick Google search shows not even a single mention of WWE-style rigging.
I mean, they scored three points. Went for it early on 4th and Goal from the one and failed. I fail to see any major chances for hijinx. Maybe just grumpy and a too few many Montucky Cold Snacks?
Sounds like somebody's just bitter their team lost.
Natty tonight, go Huskies. Give the Pac-12 one final moment before fading into history.
Quote from: ET21 on January 08, 2024, 10:18:29 AM
Natty tonight, go Huskies. Give the Pac-12 one final moment before fading into history.
And beat those Michigan cheaters in the process!
Go Washington.
A lot of you who know me off forum also know that I've been a lifelong U of M fan. No doubt I'm happy with the outcome tonight and the season overall. I was 15 the last time Michigan won a national championship in football. My dad certainly would have enjoyed this if he was still alive.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 08, 2024, 11:51:36 PM
A lot of you who know me off forum also know that I've been a lifelong U of M fan. No doubt I'm happy with the outcome tonight and the season overall. I was 15 the last time Michigan won a national championship in football. My dad certainly would have enjoyed this if he was still alive.
Now the championship gets vacated and all the coaches and players bail to avoid the upcoming sanctions.
Alabama coach Nick Saban announced his retirement today.
Oregon coach Dan Lanning is the name getting thrown around the most as a potential successor.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on January 10, 2024, 05:31:16 PM
Alabama coach Nick Saban announced his retirement today.
Oregon coach Dan Lanning is the name getting thrown around the most as a potential successor.
That sounds like a premium job...until you think about what happened to the coaches who succeeded John Wooden at UCLA. Anything short of a national championship was a failure. Eugene is a beautiful city, Oregon is going to the Big Ten with all the additional exposure inherent in that. If I were Lanning I would certainly listen to offers but I don't think I would step into the Tuscaloosa situation.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on January 09, 2024, 07:16:50 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 08, 2024, 11:51:36 PM
A lot of you who know me off forum also know that I've been a lifelong U of M fan. No doubt I'm happy with the outcome tonight and the season overall. I was 15 the last time Michigan won a national championship in football. My dad certainly would have enjoyed this if he was still alive.
Now the championship gets vacated and all the coaches and players bail to avoid the upcoming sanctions.
Sure hope you weren't holding out hopes for that. Even the NCAA doesn't have the nerve to take a national championship away:
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39282077/ncaa-president-says-michigan-earned-football-national-title-fair-square
All the same, I expect Harbaugh to go. He was being evasive and generally unconvincing about questions pertaining to the NFL all last week. The rumors out here on the west coast mostly have him being the possible coach for the Chargers next season.
Quote from: gonealookin on January 10, 2024, 05:44:14 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on January 10, 2024, 05:31:16 PM
Alabama coach Nick Saban announced his retirement today.
Oregon coach Dan Lanning is the name getting thrown around the most as a potential successor.
That sounds like a premium job...until you think about what happened to the coaches who succeeded John Wooden at UCLA. Anything short of a national championship was a failure. Eugene is a beautiful city, Oregon is going to the Big Ten with all the additional exposure inherent in that. If I were Lanning I would certainly listen to offers but I don't think I would step into the Tuscaloosa situation.
Between Bear Bryant's last year in 1982 and Nick Saban's first year in 2007, the Crimson Tide won only one national title (1992, under Gene Stallings, one of Bryant's "Junction Boys"). During those years, Alabama had seasons with multiple losses, even years where they were sanctioned by the NCAA.
And Indiana STILL struggles today without Bobby Knight at the helm.
Good, let some other team win for a while. Hegemony is bad for sports.
I know we have a few Purdue students on this board, so I'll just throw out this offer:
If you can hook me up with a pair of tickets for ND @ Purdue on 9/14/24, I can return the favor for Purdue @ ND on 9/20/25.
College season starts tomorrow. My playoff prediction:
(https://i.imgur.com/4982VSl.jpeg)
Not a fan of the 12-team playoff, at least not yet.
Quote from: epzik8 on August 24, 2024, 05:03:32 PMNot a fan of the 12-team playoff, at least not yet.
Better than four.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 24, 2024, 05:24:37 PMQuote from: epzik8 on August 24, 2024, 05:03:32 PMNot a fan of the 12-team playoff, at least not yet.
Better than four.
Under BCS, sometimes the #3/#4 team would be deserving of playing in the title game, and they'd be robbed. Under the 4-team playoff, all of a sudden that's "not-enough teams" playing for a championship.
On the flip side, I do like how 12 teams all have a shot at winning it, even the best Group of 5 team. If I'm a football player at a mid-major school, I'd like to be optimistic that at one point in my time playing for that school, there is a chance (albeit very slim, but still a hopeful chance) that we could somehow win it all.
Quote from: RZF on August 25, 2024, 12:26:02 AMQuote from: SEWIGuy on August 24, 2024, 05:24:37 PMQuote from: epzik8 on August 24, 2024, 05:03:32 PMNot a fan of the 12-team playoff, at least not yet.
Better than four.
Under BCS, sometimes the #3/#4 team would be deserving of playing in the title game, and they'd be robbed. Under the 4-team playoff, all of a sudden that's "not-enough teams" playing for a championship.
On the flip side, I do like how 12 teams all have a shot at winning it, even the best Group of 5 team. If I'm a football player at a mid-major school, I'd like to be optimistic that at one point in my time playing for that school, there is a chance (albeit very slim, but still a hopeful chance) that we could somehow win it all.
I'm just looking forward to additional playoff games with different teams qualifying.
It seems an FSU fan promised on Twitter that he would eat dog shit out of a red Solo cup if they lost to Boston College.
Somehow, amazingly, his Twitter account has mysteriously disappeared.
^^ I-41 De Pere WI. But not for long once the Southbridge Rd interchange is completed.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/j5V1XBD25SXDq7GQ8
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 03, 2024, 09:10:12 AMIt seems an FSU fan promised on Twitter that he would eat dog shit out of a red Solo cup if they lost to Boston College.
Somehow, amazingly, his Twitter account has mysteriously disappeared.
https://x.com/witeclawhiteboi/status/1830785143369351430?s=61&t=b6K8m7mnCl3hI8EuxEn4og
https://x.com/stevekim323/status/1830800155001659652?s=61&t=b6K8m7mnCl3hI8EuxEn4og
My alma mater, Cal, is part of this season's realignment...although we certainly got the shorter end of the stick. The Atlantic Coast Conference when we can see the Pacific Ocean from our stadium? Good grief. Cal and Stanford didn't get screwed as badly by the inept management and eventual implosion of the Pac-12 as Oregon State and Washington State did, but we're not far behind.
Anyway, when I look at the weekend's upcoming schedule for a game or two I might want to watch in addition to Cal getting thumped at Auburn, I find I'm still far more interested in our former Pac-12 rivals than in our new ACC opponents. Oregon, OSU, Washington, WSU, USC, UCLA...I would likely pick from their games rather than even any of the ACC teams we host in Berkeley this year (Miami, NC State and Syracuse, plus the Big Game vs. Stanford).
Cal has been mediocre at best for almost my entire adult life, notably excepting those few years when Jeff Tedford had Aaron Rodgers, Marshawn Lynch and others. We'll never compete consistently with the Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Notre Dame class of football schools, and I'm pretty sure I'm in good company as an alum of one of the many schools on the "outside looking in" who has been made even more cynical about the Big Business of College Football with this latest realignment.
Quote from: gonealookin on September 04, 2024, 01:39:44 PMMy alma mater, Cal, is part of this season's realignment...although we certainly got the shorter end of the stick. The Atlantic Coast Conference when we can see the Pacific Ocean from our stadium? Good grief. Cal and Stanford didn't get screwed as badly by the inept management and eventual implosion of the Pac-12 as Oregon State and Washington State did, but we're not far behind.
Anyway, when I look at the weekend's upcoming schedule for a game or two I might want to watch in addition to Cal getting thumped at Auburn, I find I'm still far more interested in our former Pac-12 rivals than in our new ACC opponents. Oregon, OSU, Washington, WSU, USC, UCLA...I would likely pick from their games rather than even any of the ACC teams we host in Berkeley this year (Miami, NC State and Syracuse, plus the Big Game vs. Stanford).
Cal has been mediocre at best for almost my entire adult life, notably excepting those few years when Jeff Tedford had Aaron Rodgers, Marshawn Lynch and others. We'll never compete consistently with the Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Notre Dame class of football schools, and I'm pretty sure I'm in good company as an alum of one of the many schools on the "outside looking in" who has been made even more cynical about the Big Business of College Football with this latest realignment.
The advent of cable television in the 1980s and the resulting explosion in the number of live college games shown on TV has been very unkind to schools in the Mountain and especially the Pacific time zones. Having noon ET kickoffs is not feasible, and 6pm or later PT kickoffs don't get many viewers in the east.
In hindsight, the only thing that could have saved the PAC-12 would have been very aggressive pursuit of Texas and Oklahoma well before the SEC gobbled them up. They would have brought along a couple others from the Central time zone and created a 16-team conference with four schools that could host games in that noon ET slot.
Florida State losing is why we shouldn't even have polls until 6 weeks into the season. Oddly enough the world of college football gets that with the later CFP rankings, it's just sports writers for some reason value ranking stuff as much as they do writing about stuff.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 04, 2024, 02:01:24 PM....
In hindsight, the only thing that could have saved the PAC-12 would have been very aggressive pursuit of Texas and Oklahoma well before the SEC gobbled them up. They would have brought along a couple others from the Central time zone and created a 16-team conference with four schools that could host games in that noon ET slot.
There were a bunch of reports that the Pac-10 tried to do just that in 2010—add six schools from the Big 12 to become the Pac-16. One of those did make the jump (Colorado), but the rest fell through when Texas and Oklahoma decided to stay put and the Pac-10 added Utah instead to get to 12.
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 04, 2024, 03:24:42 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 04, 2024, 02:01:24 PM....
In hindsight, the only thing that could have saved the PAC-12 would have been very aggressive pursuit of Texas and Oklahoma well before the SEC gobbled them up. They would have brought along a couple others from the Central time zone and created a 16-team conference with four schools that could host games in that noon ET slot.
There were a bunch of reports that the Pac-10 tried to do just that in 2010—add six schools from the Big 12 to become the Pac-16. One of those did make the jump (Colorado), but the rest fell through when Texas and Oklahoma decided to stay put and the Pac-10 added Utah instead to get to 12.
If they tried, they tried. If I'd been running the PAC-12, I'd have offered them whatever special concessions it would have taken to get them. Higher share of TV revenue, etc.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 04, 2024, 03:28:24 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on September 04, 2024, 03:24:42 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 04, 2024, 02:01:24 PM....
In hindsight, the only thing that could have saved the PAC-12 would have been very aggressive pursuit of Texas and Oklahoma well before the SEC gobbled them up. They would have brought along a couple others from the Central time zone and created a 16-team conference with four schools that could host games in that noon ET slot.
There were a bunch of reports that the Pac-10 tried to do just that in 2010—add six schools from the Big 12 to become the Pac-16. One of those did make the jump (Colorado), but the rest fell through when Texas and Oklahoma decided to stay put and the Pac-10 added Utah instead to get to 12.
If they tried, they tried. If I'd been running the PAC-12, I'd have offered them whatever special concessions it would have taken to get them. Higher share of TV revenue, etc.
One thing I remember reading somewhere, though I don't remember where, was that a sticking point with Texas was their desire to start the Longhorn Network (which debuted in 2011). Apparently that was a dealbreaker for multiple conferences to which Texas had explored jumping at the time who weren't willing to allow one school to have its own TV network apart from whatever media rights deals the leagues had. I guess the university figured there was more money to be made from the network than from joining some other league, and I guess there is now more money to be made as a member of the SEC because they shut down the Longhorn Network before joining said league.
There were a couple other reasons for the Pac-12's demise beyond successfully getting Texas and Oklahoma.
1. They should have partnered with a media company for the Pac-12 network. This would have helped with their ongoing carriage issues. They tried to manage it on their own, and it failed. The BTN is partially owned by Fox, and the SEC Network is partially owned by ESPN for comparison.
2. They should have tried to expand eastward without Texas and Oklahoma. Their leadership, including their athletic directors, didn't see the point. But that would have addressed some of the issues above as well as provided additional content and territories for a Pac 12 Network. BYU, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Kansas, etc. all could have been considered.
3. Hired better conference commissioners with vision, and not simply wanting to open up expensive headquarters in the heart of San Francisco.
None of this may have worked in the long run, but they were so poorly managed for so long.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 04, 2024, 03:28:24 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on September 04, 2024, 03:24:42 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 04, 2024, 02:01:24 PM....
In hindsight, the only thing that could have saved the PAC-12 would have been very aggressive pursuit of Texas and Oklahoma well before the SEC gobbled them up. They would have brought along a couple others from the Central time zone and created a 16-team conference with four schools that could host games in that noon ET slot.
There were a bunch of reports that the Pac-10 tried to do just that in 2010—add six schools from the Big 12 to become the Pac-16. One of those did make the jump (Colorado), but the rest fell through when Texas and Oklahoma decided to stay put and the Pac-10 added Utah instead to get to 12.
If they tried, they tried. If I'd been running the PAC-12, I'd have offered them whatever special concessions it would have taken to get them. Higher share of TV revenue, etc.
USC and Oregon would have never gone for that. The unequal shares of revenue was why Nebraska and Colorado left the B12 to begin with.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 04, 2024, 03:43:37 PMThere were a couple other reasons for the Pac-12's demise beyond successfully getting Texas and Oklahoma.
1. They should have partnered with a media company for the Pac-12 network. This would have helped with their ongoing carriage issues. They tried to manage it on their own, and it failed. The BTN is partially owned by Fox, and the SEC Network is partially owned by ESPN for comparison.
2. They should have tried to expand eastward without Texas and Oklahoma. Their leadership, including their athletic directors, didn't see the point. But that would have addressed some of the issues above as well as provided additional content and territories for a Pac 12 Network. BYU, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Kansas, etc. all could have been considered.
3. Hired better conference commissioners with vision, and not simply wanting to open up expensive headquarters in the heart of San Francisco.
None of this may have worked in the long run, but they were so poorly managed for so long.
I'm going to disagree on #2. What we had at the time was FOX and ABC airing noon ET games that were either Big 10, ACC or Big 12. The PAC-12 needed teams that were both in the Central time zone and also big enough names to get into that rotation. USC at Texas bumps Iowa at Ohio St out of that noon network slot. USC at Texas Tech does not.
Several of the Pac-12 schools (most notably California) were unwilling to consider BYU as a league member for political reasons. Their mistake.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 04, 2024, 03:48:20 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on September 04, 2024, 03:43:37 PMThere were a couple other reasons for the Pac-12's demise beyond successfully getting Texas and Oklahoma.
1. They should have partnered with a media company for the Pac-12 network. This would have helped with their ongoing carriage issues. They tried to manage it on their own, and it failed. The BTN is partially owned by Fox, and the SEC Network is partially owned by ESPN for comparison.
2. They should have tried to expand eastward without Texas and Oklahoma. Their leadership, including their athletic directors, didn't see the point. But that would have addressed some of the issues above as well as provided additional content and territories for a Pac 12 Network. BYU, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Kansas, etc. all could have been considered.
3. Hired better conference commissioners with vision, and not simply wanting to open up expensive headquarters in the heart of San Francisco.
None of this may have worked in the long run, but they were so poorly managed for so long.
I'm going to disagree on #2. What we had at the time was FOX and ABC airing noon ET games that were either Big 10, ACC or Big 12. The PAC-12 needed teams that were both in the Central time zone and also big enough names to get into that rotation. USC at Texas bumps Iowa at Ohio St out of that noon network slot. USC at Texas Tech does not.
USC wouldn't knock OSU out of "Big Noon Saturday" on Fox no doubt. But they were a big enough name that they could have been a more marquee match up even if it was Texas Tech.
IDK, perhaps not.
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 04, 2024, 03:55:01 PMSeveral of the Pac-12 schools (most notably California) were unwilling to consider BYU as a league member for political reasons. Their mistake.
Was it purely political reasons or was it BYU's unwillingness to play on Sunday?
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 04, 2024, 04:56:50 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on September 04, 2024, 03:55:01 PMSeveral of the Pac-12 schools (most notably California) were unwilling to consider BYU as a league member for political reasons. Their mistake.
Was it purely political reasons or was it BYU's unwillingness to play on Sunday?
Really more "religious reasons" than "political". The Pac-12 had only two private schools, USC and Stanford, neither with a religious affiliation, and BYU complicates the non-football sports scheduling of whichever conference it's in by its refusal to play any sports on Sunday. BYU was a good cultural fit in the West Coast Conference in basketball, because all of that conference's schools were religious-affiliated (though all much smaller than BYU).
The other stumbling block for the Pac-12 was the university presidents being too persnickety about the academic credentials of potential members. They wanted new members to be part of the Association of American Universities (https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members), a limited group of top research schools. Texas-Austin is a member; Oklahoma is not, but those two were thought to be a team entry so that's why they were offered membership. Kansas is on there but has rarely enhanced any conference's attractiveness in football. It was only when USC and UCLA announced that they were fleeing to the Big Ten a couple years ago that the Pac-12 got off its high horse and started considering some non-AAU schools like San Diego State, Southern Methodist and certain other members of the Mountain West besides SDSU.
The WAC, Mountain West and WCC managed for years with BYU not playing on Sundays. The B12 doesn't have a problem with it now. To let that become an obstacle probably says more about the Pac 12 and how they were governed more than anything else.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 04, 2024, 03:43:37 PM2. They should have tried to expand eastward without Texas and Oklahoma. Their leadership, including their athletic directors, didn't see the point. But that would have addressed some of the issues above as well as provided additional content and territories for a Pac 12 Network. BYU, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Kansas, etc. all could have been considered.
Kansas would have never gone for the Pac 10/12. A) They're likely to be tied to K-State if/when there's any more consolidation and B) the Big Ten made far more sense "culturally", so they would have held out for that expansion.
I think at this point, the ACC is going to implode and the Big 12 will pick up some more pieces (Florida State, Clemson, Virginia, and Louisville. Maaaaaybe Duke and UNC.)
Conferences should not exist. Just go by number of wins with an adjustment for opponents' average win percentage (i.e. strength of schedule) across all of Division I.
Quote from: hotdogPi on September 04, 2024, 05:38:50 PMConferences should not exist. Just go by number of wins with an adjustment for opponents' average win percentage (i.e. strength of schedule) across all of Division I.
If you eliminate conferences altogether, then you eliminate rivalries. You need to play some of the same schools regularly to keep a rivalry going. When Mizzou went to the SEC, it killed (in my opinion) the best rivalry west of the Mississippi.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 04, 2024, 05:40:48 PMQuote from: hotdogPi on September 04, 2024, 05:38:50 PMConferences should not exist. Just go by number of wins with an adjustment for opponents' average win percentage (i.e. strength of schedule) across all of Division I.
If you eliminate conferences altogether, then you eliminate rivalries. You need to play some of the same schools regularly to keep a rivalry going. When Mizzou went to the SEC, it killed (in my opinion) the best rivalry west of the Mississippi.
Yet conference realignment has already killed a lot of rivalries. Nebraska-Oklahoma, Kansas-Missouri, Washington-Washington St, Oregon-Oregon St, all now have to be non-conference games to exist. Texas-Texas A&M was on that list but now has come off.
Even some conference rivalries are no longer annual because conferences have gotten so big you can barely play half the teams in your conference. Michigan St-Penn St was played every year since PSU joined the Big 10 but that's gone.
Unfortunately, there's no way to stop TV money from dictating scheduling.
The worst part of it is all the stupid travel teams in sports other than football have to do. The football travel is no big deal because it's all on weekends and only 5-7 times per season. Soccer and volleyball teams are now flying cross country nearly weekly and sometimes in the middle of the week.
Regarding BYU, I regard the religious issue as essentially a political issue. For this sort of thing I basically equate the two. There was no way a far left-wing university like Berkeley was willing to have anything to do with a conservative school run by the Mormon church.
More generally, I can't help but wonder when the heavyweights in the SEC and the Big Ten might decide they want to expel some of the less-competitive schools (the obvious examples that come to mind are Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and Rutgers). While no doubt they like having an easier opponent to beat up, I'm sure at some point when the TV networks say they'll pay more if those schools are replaced, the money will eventually speak loudly enough.
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 04, 2024, 06:39:59 PM...I can't help but wonder when the heavyweights in the SEC and the Big Ten might decide they want to expel some of the less-competitive schools (the obvious examples that come to mind are Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and Rutgers). While no doubt they like having an easier opponent to beat up, I'm sure at some point when the TV networks say they'll pay more if those schools are replaced, the money will eventually speak loudly enough.
Sure, this is the obvious endgame in college sports. The mega-name football schools will consolidate into a single SuperConference. Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC...you can name anywhere from about 16 to 24 that ESPN, Fox etc. will pay top dollar to show every week. Cal and all the rest will re-form into more sensible regional conferences, but with much much lower television revenue. Cal's athletic department supports something like 30, 32, somewhere in there sports programs and we'll have to downsize that pretty drastically due to the decreased revenue, with Title IX requirements also in mind.
The whole thing is driven by television revenue for football, and one might think, why not separate football from all the rest of the sports and have everybody including Alabama and Ohio State play their other sports in something other than SuperConference. The reason that couldn't happen is that television revenue flowing into the schools' athletic departments would be so drastically different that even a traditional basketball powerhouse such as let's say Arizona couldn't stay competitive with USC's basketball team and its football money.
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 04, 2024, 06:39:59 PMMore generally, I can't help but wonder when the heavyweights in the SEC and the Big Ten might decide they want to expel some of the less-competitive schools (the obvious examples that come to mind are Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and Rutgers). While no doubt they like having an easier opponent to beat up, I'm sure at some point when the TV networks say they'll pay more if those schools are replaced, the money will eventually speak loudly enough.
I don't think there's a mechanism by which either conference can expel members short of a university losing accreditation.
Aside from that, the also-rans in those conferences will remain anyway, because teams don't want to play 12 highly ranked teams every year. They want those games against the also-rans. Northwestern and Vanderbilt are safe.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 04, 2024, 07:01:59 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on September 04, 2024, 06:39:59 PMMore generally, I can't help but wonder when the heavyweights in the SEC and the Big Ten might decide they want to expel some of the less-competitive schools (the obvious examples that come to mind are Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and Rutgers). While no doubt they like having an easier opponent to beat up, I'm sure at some point when the TV networks say they'll pay more if those schools are replaced, the money will eventually speak loudly enough.
I don't think there's a mechanism by which either conference can expel members short of a university losing accreditation.
Aside from that, the also-rans in those conferences will remain anyway, because teams don't want to play 12 highly ranked teams every year. They want those games against the also-rans. Northwestern and Vanderbilt are safe.
The mechanism is not expelling members but rather Michigan and Ohio State withdrawing from the Big Ten, and Alabama, Georgia and LSU withdrawing from the SEC. Florida State and Clemson have already initiated legal action of this type with regard to their ongoing, or not, membership in the ACC.
Also, I sidetracked the general season discussion with a rant at Reply #360 and request that a moderator split out the comments starting with that one into a "2024 conference realignment thread" or some such.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 04, 2024, 06:03:08 PMEven some conference rivalries are no longer annual because conferences have gotten so big you can barely play half the teams in your conference. Michigan St-Penn St was played every year since PSU joined the Big 10 but that's gone.
I saw it floated around that the Big "12" was going to expand to 24 and not play any non-conference football games. You'd have one "rival" that you'd play every year and then half of the remaining teams. I didn't hate the idea.
Quote from: gonealookin on September 04, 2024, 07:06:15 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 04, 2024, 07:01:59 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on September 04, 2024, 06:39:59 PMMore generally, I can't help but wonder when the heavyweights in the SEC and the Big Ten might decide they want to expel some of the less-competitive schools (the obvious examples that come to mind are Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and Rutgers). While no doubt they like having an easier opponent to beat up, I'm sure at some point when the TV networks say they'll pay more if those schools are replaced, the money will eventually speak loudly enough.
I don't think there's a mechanism by which either conference can expel members short of a university losing accreditation.
Aside from that, the also-rans in those conferences will remain anyway, because teams don't want to play 12 highly ranked teams every year. They want those games against the also-rans. Northwestern and Vanderbilt are safe.
The mechanism is not expelling members but rather Michigan and Ohio State withdrawing from the Big Ten, and Alabama, Georgia and LSU withdrawing from the SEC. Florida State and Clemson have already initiated legal action of this type with regard to their ongoing, or not, membership in the ACC.
FSU and Clemson are suing their way out of the ACC because the conference signed a horrible TV deal. The Big Ten and SEC have pretty sweet TV deals even with the bottom-feeders there. I don't think they want to give up those easy games to form one superconference.
Recall the forum NFL game a few years ago about "Football Team" being a booby prize that got passed around—a team with that name would take the name of its beaten opponent and that opponent would become the "Football Team."
In that vein, I saw the following far more complicated game posted on another forum. The rules are in small print at the bottom right (note the first provision, which explains why UNC has such a large area up north—those counties are the ones closest to Minnesota's stadium). I assume the idea is that a team that has already lost all its land can still take an opponent's land even though it already lost all of its own—so, for example, if 0–2 Florida State beats Memphis this weekend, presumably FSU gets that small area shown in blue on the map near the Memphis area.
(https://virginia.sportswar.com/uploads/2024/9/568967874212.jpg)
Esmeralda County, Nevada is normally considered Fresno State's market? How?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 05, 2024, 11:01:55 AMEsmeralda County, Nevada is normally considered Fresno State's market? How?
It's not market in terms of fandom or TV coverage, it's based purely on distance, and apparently, that county is closer to Fresno than Vegas or Reno.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 05, 2024, 11:01:55 AMEsmeralda County, Nevada is normally considered Fresno State's market? How?
Presumably, the distance as the crow flies is shorter to Fresno State's stadium than to either Nevada's or UNLV's. I'm not interested enough to try measuring such things out to confirm the map's accuracy in that respect, but looking at Google Maps I can see how it might be the case.
I guess, that's some hellacious terrain taking the most direct overland routing from Fresno State to Esmeralda County.
Yeah, these aren't media markets in any way. It's just "which FBS stadium is closest to this county".
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 05, 2024, 11:09:54 AMI guess, that's some hellacious terrain taking the most direct overland routing from Fresno State to Esmeralda County.
I assume it's as the crow flies.
The one I find interesting is the Miami area. There are two Division I-A programs with stadiums in Miami-Dade County (the University of Miami and FIU). It looks like the guy who made the map gave that county to FIU and I assume it's because Miami's stadium (Hard Rock, the home of the Dolphins) is in far northern Miami-Dade such that
more of that county is closer to FIU's stadium, which is located near the Homestead Extension's interchange with US-41.
OK, edited to add: I found the Week 0 map and it clarifies with a few more rules. The distance is based off the center of each county. That explains the Miami situation I just noted. In subsequent weeks, he's doing separate I-A and I-AA maps, which explains why UNC covers that big area despite Colorado beating North Dakota State.
(https://i.imgur.com/DVGhNuI.jpeg)
More interesting to me is that, on the week 1 map, counties that border Canada have Laramie, WY as the closest FBS stadium.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 05, 2024, 12:04:23 PMMore interesting to me is that, on the week 1 map, counties that border Canada have Laramie, WY as the closest FBS stadium.
There are no FBS schools in Montana or either of the Dakotas.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 05, 2024, 12:46:37 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on September 05, 2024, 12:04:23 PMMore interesting to me is that, on the week 1 map, counties that border Canada have Laramie, WY as the closest FBS stadium.
There are no FBS schools in Montana or either of the Dakotas.
Still though, Laramie is about as far south in Wyoming as possible. Still surprising to me for whatever reason. I guess I would have thought the Minnesota and Washington State would have extended up that way.
Quote from: gonealookin on September 04, 2024, 01:39:44 PMMy alma mater, Cal, is part of this season's realignment...(blah blah blah)...Anyway, when I look at the weekend's upcoming schedule for a game or two I might want to watch in addition to Cal getting thumped at Auburn...(blah blah blah)...
Well guess what did not happen down at Auburn today. Kind of an ugly game to watch for both offenses, but especially Auburn's, whose QB had a dreadful day. It was Cal's best nonconference road win in some years, since Jared Goff led the Bears to a win in Austin in 2015.
Quote from: gonealookin on September 04, 2024, 01:39:44 PMMy alma mater, Cal, is part of this season's realignment...although we certainly got the shorter end of the stick. The Atlantic Coast Conference when we can see the Pacific Ocean from our stadium? Good grief.
It's a joke, and I say that from experience as a fan (and son of alumni) of former ACC school Maryland.
Notre Dame loses to Northern Illinois. Here at Texas A&M, people are sad.
WE'RE NORTHERN ILLINOIS
YOU AIN'T
I was in South Bend and that was the greatest football game I've ever been to
Notre Dame (ND) went on to do a lot of damage to Purdue, beating them with a score of 66-7... :nod:
I was at that game, and we left at halftime with ND leading at 42-0! (At least IU got a win, so...) :thumbsup:
As someone who is not a fan of 56-7 blowouts, it was gratifying to see some competitive gm\ames, especially USC and UCLA being competitive in a new division and in unfamiliar environments.
Whoever took the over in that JMU game is happy this morning.
So how will Quinn Ewers' injury affect his chances in the NFL draft?
Once PJ Fleck gets fired I'll be able to point to the exact moment he was done. Running the ball up the middle with Taylor - something that yielded little success all day - on 3rd & 10 down by 10 in the second half is incredible. I was at the game, walked straight out of the stadium after witnessing that.
Quote from: epzik8 on September 22, 2024, 11:51:20 AMSo how will Quinn Ewers' injury affect his chances in the NFL draft?
For his sake hopefully it keeps him out of Charlotte. But I don't think it's that serious.
Quote from: gonealookin on September 04, 2024, 01:39:44 PMin addition to Cal getting thumped at Auburn
This comment didn't age well, as California beat Auburn 14-10.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 04, 2024, 06:03:08 PMYet conference realignment has already killed a lot of rivalries. Nebraska-Oklahoma, Kansas-Missouri, Washington-Washington St, Oregon-Oregon St, all now have to be non-conference games to exist. Texas-Texas A&M was on that list but now has come off.
Don't forget about the Bedlam game (OU vs OSU). That was a huge deal in Oklahoma, and now it's gone for the foreseeable future. I think they should play each other every year for one of their non-conference games.
I expected the Arkansas Razorbacks to be 2-2 at this point in the season, but they beat Auburn and kept up with Okie State until they choked at the end. They've done better so far this season than I expected for them to do.
Quote from: bugo on September 22, 2024, 11:16:07 PMQuote from: gonealookin on September 04, 2024, 01:39:44 PMin addition to Cal getting thumped at Auburn
This comment didn't age well, as California beat Auburn 14-10.
The Auburn game was a nice win for Cal. On our return visit to that same part of the country this past Saturday in Tallahassee, we bumbled our way to an excruciating loss against a not-good-at-all Florida State team with a plethora of false start and illegal motion penalties, red zone failures and subsequent missed field goals.
Still, Cal has a good enough defense this year to be competitive in a very mediocre ACC.
Quote from: bugo on September 22, 2024, 11:33:03 PMI expected the Arkansas Razorbacks to be 2-2 at this point in the season, but they beat Auburn and kept up with Okie State until they choked at the end. They've done better so far this season than I expected for them to do.
They'll get your hopes up, just to crush them. They aren't called the Heart-Attack Hogs for no reason. They are the cause of more than a little stress eating in the state of Arkansas. At least the Hogs are consistently great in basketball, baseball, and track.
Nothing like a regional rivalry between Southern California and Wisconsin.
College football isn't about regional rivalries. As a Wisconsin fan, I would rather watch a game against USC than face Purdue every year.
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on September 28, 2024, 03:50:59 PMNothing like a regional rivalry between Southern California and Wisconsin.
Or between Stanford and...Clemson. Which is astonishing that they're playing in 3 hours, given that Upstate SC is without electricity due to Helene.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 28, 2024, 04:05:36 PMCollege football isn't about regional rivalries. As a Wisconsin fan, I would rather watch a game against USC than face Purdue every year.
UofM and USC had my interest during the Reno Road Meet. UofM and Minnesota was something I only checked on a couple times during the day.
A game like USC/Michigan has the novelty and prestige of an iconic matchup. Some of it will wear off as we get used to the new B1G, but it will always feel like a legit game as long as both programs are good.
Stanford/Clemson is just a fever dream that will never feel like it should exist for any reason. Thankfully the ACC's years are numbered.
While something like UofM vs Penn State was once novel I wouldn't go far as to say it isn't a still relevant/compelling matchup.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 28, 2024, 09:12:11 PMWhile something like UofM vs Penn State was once novel I wouldn't go far as to say it isn't a still relevant/compelling matchup.
Right, what I'm saying is that USC/Michigan will become roughly what Michigan/Penn St is now. Maybe a little less compelling just because of the massive geographic and culture difference between the two schools.
Quote from: thspfc on September 28, 2024, 09:51:19 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on September 28, 2024, 09:12:11 PMWhile something like UofM vs Penn State was once novel I wouldn't go far as to say it isn't a still relevant/compelling matchup.
Right, what I'm saying is that USC/Michigan will become roughly what Michigan/Penn St is now. Maybe a little less compelling just because of the massive geographic and culture difference between the two schools.
I don't think in 2024 at the FBS level, geographical differences matter much at all, and the cultural differences are really minimal. Clemson v. Stanford was largely not compelling because one team is very good and the other team isn't. But is somehow Clemson v. Wake Forest more compelling because they are geographically similar? Is Clemson v. North Carolina because they are both public universities in the south? If Stanford was the Stanford of the Andrew Luck era, the game last night would certainly have been more compelling than either of those other two.
Its a national, television driven game now. As I said earlier, Wisconsin v. USC was more compelling to me than the 100th versions of Wisconsin v. Purdue and USC v. Arizona.
Geography isn't what makes these games weird so much as just being new. When Penn State first joined the Big Ten, matchups against Ohio State and Michigan seemed weird even though those teams weren't far away.
Notre Dame has played USC 94 times and nobody thinks twice about how far apart they are.
I think part of why some of these games feel weird is that you get situations where two programs have never met other than in the Rose Bowl and now they're in the same conference. Quite different from, say, BYU and Utah landing in the same conference, given that they routinely played each other anyway.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 29, 2024, 08:00:49 AMGeography isn't what makes these games weird so much as just being new. When Penn State first joined the Big Ten, matchups against Ohio State and Michigan seemed weird even though those teams weren't far away.
Notre Dame has played USC 94 times and nobody thinks twice about how far apart they are.
It's both. Nobody thinks about USC/Notre Dame because it's one trip every other year for two teams. Now it's four trips every year for a whole bunch of teams.
Quote from: DTComposer on October 01, 2024, 07:21:44 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 29, 2024, 08:00:49 AMGeography isn't what makes these games weird so much as just being new. When Penn State first joined the Big Ten, matchups against Ohio State and Michigan seemed weird even though those teams weren't far away.
Notre Dame has played USC 94 times and nobody thinks twice about how far apart they are.
It's both. Nobody thinks about USC/Notre Dame because it's one trip every other year for two teams. Now it's four trips every year for a whole bunch of teams.
That travel is not going to have a huge effect in football when it's only 4-5 road games per year. It's the other sports where the geography is going to wear on teams.
Vanderbilt wins over Alabama, 40-35.
Apparently, this is the first time Vanderbilt has even beaten a number 1 ranked team.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 05, 2024, 08:35:05 PMVanderbilt wins over Alabama, 40-35.
Apparently, this is the first time Vanderbilt has even beaten a number 1 ranked team.
First win over a top-5 team, it seems. ESPN said they were 0–60 in such games prior to tonight.
Arkansas beat #4 Tennessee 19-14 in Fayetteville. This was a bad week for ranked teams.
Quote from: bugo on October 06, 2024, 12:44:30 AMArkansas beat #4 Tennessee 19-14 in Fayetteville. This was a bad week for ranked teams.
Miami should have gone down too, but
https://twitter.com/GwashburnGlobe/status/1842814938999328829
...because Cal's offense couldn't keep Cal's defense off the field in the fourth quarter.
Arguably, Miami should have lost to Virginia Tech last week. (Though I think that VT's Hail Mary was truly incomplete.)
Quote from: gonealookin on October 06, 2024, 02:43:55 AMQuote from: bugo on October 06, 2024, 12:44:30 AMArkansas beat #4 Tennessee 19-14 in Fayetteville. This was a bad week for ranked teams.
Miami should have gone down too, but
https://twitter.com/GwashburnGlobe/status/1842814938999328829
...because Cal's offense couldn't keep Cal's defense off the field in the fourth quarter.
That was an issue, but they'd have held on if the refs hadn't made two horrific calls in the last two minutes of the game. Clear targeting against Miami that would have given Cal a game-sealing first down was waved off, and then a blatant ineligible man downfield penalty against Miami that would have negated their game-winning touchdown was not called.
My Terps should never play on Friday night again
I've always wondered why my alma mater, UMass-Amherst, joined the ranks of big time college football in 2012. We're arguably the weakest region for college football fandom, we have a high-school grade stadium, and BC is our college football team of repute. It's not even the most popular sport at UMass. But per the Boston Globe, apparently the AD is excited for the exposure and notoriety (read $) is worth the weekly drubbings. I wonder what the NIL era will mean......
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on October 12, 2024, 10:54:53 AMI've always wonders why my alma mater, UMass-Amherst, joined the ranks of big time college football in 2012. We're arguably the weakest region for college football fandom, we have a high-school grade stadium, and BC is our college football team of repute. It's not even the most popular sport at UMass. But per the Boston Globe, apparently the AD is excited for the exposure and notoriety (read $) is worth the weekly drubbings. I wonder what the NIL era will mean......
Plus they've permanently joined a midwestern conference in all sports.
I enjoyed the Terps' comeback victory tonight
Ohio State gets a road W against Penn State in happy valley.
Big Ten refs having a rough day.
Huh. Syracuse pulled off a victory today.
Quote from: Rothman on November 02, 2024, 04:51:03 PMHuh. Syracuse pulled off a victory today.
The weekly PSA that Virginia Tech is awful despite my fellow Hokies wanting to pretend otherwise. :nod:
Why was Iowa playing a mid-season game at UCLA last night? "They're now in the same conference." Why?
:confused:
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on November 09, 2024, 11:46:17 AMWhy was Iowa playing a mid-season game at UCLA last night? "They're now in the same conference." Why?
:confused:
Mike
Nobody know$.
Quote from: mgk920 on November 09, 2024, 11:46:17 AMWhy was Iowa playing a mid-season game at UCLA last night? "They're now in the same conference." Why?
:confused:
Mike
I guess this doesn't seem weird to me because Notre Dame has been playing a national schedule for decades. Just in my four years, I saw home games against teams from Michigan, Indiana, California, Utah, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Florida, Maryland, Colorado, Tennessee and Texas.
The CFP rankings this week are horrendous. I can't wait to see how they mess up the playoff selections even worse than they ever possibly could when it was only 4 teams.
Quote from: thspfc on November 13, 2024, 12:52:39 PMThe CFP rankings this week are horrendous. I can't wait to see how they mess up the playoff selections even worse than they ever possibly could when it was only 4 teams.
By the end of the season, they usually get it right. I'm not all that concerned.
I spent way too much time today going through remaining schedules and SEC tiebreaker scenarios to figure out what's going on. Of course, this research included far too many assumptions (i.e. I did not consider the possibility that Indiana could beat Ohio State, though I think it's negligible anyway). I have a clearer picture now.
The playoff teams I keep landing on, in no order, are:
- Oregon
- Ohio State
- Penn State
- Group of 5 representative (likely Boise State)
- ACC champ (will be SMU, Clemson, or Miami; ACC will be a one bid conference barring total chaos)
- Both teams that make the SEC championship (Texas, Tennessee, Alabama, and TXA&M are the only four that ever made it in any scenario of outcomes I looked at, so two of those four)
- The third SEC team (likely Ole Miss, possibly Alabama should they not make the title game; Texas, Tenn, and A&M would all get knocked out of the title game and way down the pecking order with an additional loss; because of their losses to Bama and Ole Miss, Georgia is almost certain to be #4 in the SEC should they beat Tennessee)
- The Big 12 champ; should it be BYU, the B12 will be a one bid conference. Should anyone else win, a 12-1 runner-up BYU might have a path
- Notre Dame
- Indiana
- a 4th SEC team, likely Georgia
Under the no-chaos scenario, if BYU wins the Big 12, I'm pretty confident that this is the field:
- Oregon (12-1 or 13-0)
- Ohio State (12-1 or 11-2)
- Penn State (11-1)
- Indiana (11-1)
- BYU (13-0 or 12-1 if the loss is regular season)
- Boise State (12-1)
- Notre Dame (11-1)
- ACC champ (12-1 or 11-2)
- 4 SEC teams (some combination of Texas, Tennessee, A&M, Bama, Georgia, Ole Miss; no 3 loss team will make it)
If BYU goes 12-0 but doesn't win the Big 12, the committee has decisions to make between
12-1 non-champ BYU
11-1 Notre Dame
11-1 Indiana
a 10-2 4th SEC team, likely Georgia
Where they can take two of the four.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on October 12, 2024, 01:26:54 PMQuote from: Ted$8roadFan on October 12, 2024, 10:54:53 AMI've always wonders why my alma mater, UMass-Amherst, joined the ranks of big time college football in 2012. We're arguably the weakest region for college football fandom, we have a high-school grade stadium, and BC is our college football team of repute. It's not even the most popular sport at UMass. But per the Boston Globe, apparently the AD is excited for the exposure and notoriety (read $) is worth the weekly drubbings. I wonder what the NIL era will mean......
Plus they've permanently joined a midwestern conference in all sports.
Get ready for UMass MACTION
Quote from: thspfc on November 13, 2024, 05:42:03 PMI spent way too much time today going through remaining schedules and SEC tiebreaker scenarios to figure out what's going on. Of course, this research included far too many assumptions (i.e. I did not consider the possibility that Indiana could beat Ohio State, though I think it's negligible anyway). I have a clearer picture now.
The playoff teams I keep landing on, in no order, are:
- Oregon
- Ohio State
- Penn State
- Group of 5 representative (likely Boise State)
- ACC champ (will be SMU, Clemson, or Miami; ACC will be a one bid conference barring total chaos)
- Both teams that make the SEC championship (Texas, Tennessee, Alabama, and TXA&M are the only four that ever made it in any scenario of outcomes I looked at, so two of those four)
- The third SEC team (likely Ole Miss, possibly Alabama should they not make the title game; Texas, Tenn, and A&M would all get knocked out of the title game and way down the pecking order with an additional loss; because of their losses to Bama and Ole Miss, Georgia is almost certain to be #4 in the SEC should they beat Tennessee)
- The Big 12 champ; should it be BYU, the B12 will be a one bid conference. Should anyone else win, a 12-1 runner-up BYU might have a path
- Notre Dame
- Indiana
- a 4th SEC team, likely Georgia
Under the no-chaos scenario, if BYU wins the Big 12, I'm pretty confident that this is the field:
- Oregon (12-1 or 13-0)
- Ohio State (12-1 or 11-2)
- Penn State (11-1)
- Indiana (11-1)
- BYU (13-0 or 12-1 if the loss is regular season)
- Boise State (12-1)
- Notre Dame (11-1)
- ACC champ (12-1 or 11-2)
- 4 SEC teams (some combination of Texas, Tennessee, A&M, Bama, Georgia, Ole Miss; no 3 loss team will make it)
If BYU goes 12-0 but doesn't win the Big 12, the committee has decisions to make between
12-1 non-champ BYU
11-1 Notre Dame
11-1 Indiana
a 10-2 4th SEC team, likely Georgia
Where they can take two of the four.
For the SEC, assuming no crazy upsets, the winner of the Texas-Texas A&M game goes to the SEC Championship as the only team with 1 conference loss. Alabama is poised to win the tiebreaker among the 2-loss teams to advance.
Playoff bids are going to:
1 ACC team (no chance to get more)
1 Big 12 team (no chance to get more)
1 Group of 5 team, most likely Boise State
1 Notre Dame, assuming they don't trip up against Army or USC
3 or 4 Big Ten teams. Indiana could be left out, even with only one loss, if they're blown out by Ohio State
4 or 5 SEC teams, depending on whether or not Indiana or Notre Dame get left out. Texas and Alabama are probably good no matter what. If Texas A&M beats Texas, they're in. Then the last spot could come down to Georgia and Mississippi. Tennessee is a long shot and they have no guaranteed win against Vanderbilt anyway.
Glad my Jayhawks could still impact the playoff despite our rough year. I hope we impact it even more next week beating the Buffs.
All four FBS schools with the nickname "Owls" have fired their football coach. Kennesaw State, Temple, Rice and Florida Atlantic.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on November 18, 2024, 02:59:26 PMAll four FBS schools with the nickname "Owls" have fired their football coach. Kennesaw State, Temple, Rice and Florida Atlantic.
UConn (3-0 against Owl teams this season) aspires to reach a point of respectability where defeating a team doesn't make them feel like they have to fire their coach :-(
Quote from: SEWIGuy on November 18, 2024, 02:59:26 PMAll four FBS schools with the nickname "Owls" have fired their football coach. Kennesaw State, Temple, Rice and Florida Atlantic.
Did they make a wise decision? :awesomeface:
Quote from: Big John on November 18, 2024, 04:45:14 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on November 18, 2024, 02:59:26 PMAll four FBS schools with the nickname "Owls" have fired their football coach. Kennesaw State, Temple, Rice and Florida Atlantic.
Did they make a wise decision? :awesomeface:
Who?
https://x.com/slmandel/status/1859033925131399190
Committee is so, so bad.
https://x.com/slmandel/status/1859033925131399190
This sounds outlandish but is actually an incredible strategy. Ohio State is going to beat Indiana by double digits anyway. Based on the committee's own awful logic, Indiana playing their backup QB gives them an excuse for a blowout loss and locks up their playoff spot so long as they beat Purdue.
Montana is the butt of the joke once again. Out of the FCS Playoffs. Lost the Great Divide Trophy in the 123rd Brawl of the Wild in Bozeman, MT to them damn Cats, so, that whole "Can the Cats" bullsh&T didn't mean diddle, except to wile up a few Griz fans shouting at the mountain tops for Bobby Hauck to pack up and get outta Missoula. When you're all hype but can't get the job done, you don't deserve to stay in Missoula, I don't care how much Coach Hauck gets paid. They pretty much just gave the postseason away to the Bobcats due to how shitty they played on Saturday in the Brawl. Nah, bruh. Nah, bruh. Nah. Can't do that with this much history of 19 Big Sky Conference titles and 2 FCS national titles.
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on November 23, 2024, 08:08:53 PMMontana is the butt of the joke once again. Out of the FCS Playoffs. Lost the Great Divide Trophy in the 123rd Brawl of the Wild in Bozeman, MT to them damn Cats, so, that whole "Can the Cats" bullsh&T didn't mean diddle, except to wile up a few Griz fans shouting at the mountain tops for Bobby Hauck to pack up and get outta Missoula. When you're all hype but can't get the job done, you don't deserve to stay in Missoula, I don't care how much Coach Hauck gets paid. They pretty much just gave the postseason away to the Bobcats due to how shitty they played on Saturday in the Brawl. Nah, bruh. Nah, bruh. Nah. Can't do that with this much history of 19 Big Sky Conference titles and 2 FCS national titles.
I have no idea what you are trying to say here, but I was in Missoula one night about 10 years ago and some Grizz fans bought me a beer. They have been my favorite FCS team since.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on November 23, 2024, 09:41:54 PMQuote from: Billy F 1988 on November 23, 2024, 08:08:53 PMMontana is the butt of the joke once again. Out of the FCS Playoffs. Lost the Great Divide Trophy in the 123rd Brawl of the Wild in Bozeman, MT to them damn Cats, so, that whole "Can the Cats" bullsh&T didn't mean diddle, except to wile up a few Griz fans shouting at the mountain tops for Bobby Hauck to pack up and get outta Missoula. When you're all hype but can't get the job done, you don't deserve to stay in Missoula, I don't care how much Coach Hauck gets paid. They pretty much just gave the postseason away to the Bobcats due to how shitty they played on Saturday in the Brawl. Nah, bruh. Nah, bruh. Nah. Can't do that with this much history of 19 Big Sky Conference titles and 2 FCS national titles.
I have no idea what you are trying to say here, but I was in Missoula one night about 10 years ago and some Grizz fans bought me a beer. They have been my favorite FCS team since.
Oh. Excuse the frack me, then.
Guess you pompous Griz fans have a secret golden rule to keep thy own mouth shut if you don't follow the team, right?
Pompous Griz fan.
Somebody's posting while intoxicated.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 18, 2024, 01:52:14 PMFor the SEC, assuming no crazy upsets,
Well, so much for that. :-D
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on November 23, 2024, 08:08:53 PMMontana is the butt of the joke once again. Out of the FCS Playoffs. Lost the Great Divide Trophy in the 123rd Brawl of the Wild in Bozeman, MT to them damn Cats, so, that whole "Can the Cats" bullsh&T didn't mean diddle, except to wile up a few Griz fans shouting at the mountain tops for Bobby Hauck to pack up and get outta Missoula. When you're all hype but can't get the job done, you don't deserve to stay in Missoula, I don't care how much Coach Hauck gets paid. They pretty much just gave the postseason away to the Bobcats due to how shitty they played on Saturday in the Brawl. Nah, bruh. Nah, bruh. Nah. Can't do that with this much history of 19 Big Sky Conference titles and 2 FCS national titles.
I'm more amused that you self-censored one use of "shit" and not another.
With the Bowl Season soon starting, here are the Bowls with the conference tie ins for 2024-2025.
12/14
IS4S Salute to Veterans (Camellia), Montogmery AL - MAC vs Sun
12/17
Frisco, Frisco TX - Amer/CUSA/MAC/Sun/MtnW
12/18
Boca Raton, Boca Raton FL - Amer/CUSA/MAC/Sun
Los Angeles, Inglewood CA - P12 vs MtnW
12/19
New Orleans, New Orleans LA - CUSA vs Sun
12/20
Cure, Orlando FL - Amer/CUSA/MAC/Sun
Gasparilla, Tampa FL - SEC vs ACC/Amer
CFP 1st Round, TBD - #12 at #5
12/21
CFP 1st Round, TBD - #11 at #6
CFP 1st Round, TBD - #10 at #7
CFP 1st Round, TBD - #9 at #8
12/23
Myrtle Beach, Conway SC - Amer/CUSA/MAC/Sun
Potato, Boise ID - MAC vs MtnW
12/24
Hawaii, Honolulu HI - CUSA vs MtnW
12/26
Gameabove Sports (Motor City/QuickLane), Detroit MI - B10 vs MAC
Rate Bowl, Phoenix AZ -B12 vs B10
68 Ventures, Mobile AL - MAC vs Sun
12/27
Armed Forces, Ft Worth TX - B12 vs Amer/CUSA
Birmingham, Birmingham AL - SEC vs ACC/Amer
Liberty, Memphis TN - B12 vs SEC
Holiday, San Diego CA - ACC vs P12
Las Vegas, Las Vegas NV - P12 vs SEC
12/28
Fenway, Boston MA - ACC vs Amer
Pinstripe, Bronx NY - ACC vs B10
New Mexico, Albuquerque NM - CUSA vs MtnW
Pop Tarts, Orlando FL - ACC vs B12
Arizona, Tucson AZ - MAC vs MtnW
Military, Annapolis MD - ACC vs Amer
Alamo, San Antonio TX - B12 vs P12
Independence, Shreveport LA - Amer vs P12
12/30
Music City, Nashville TN - B10 vs SEC
12/31
Reliaquest, Tampa FL - B10 vs SEC
Sun, El Paso TX - ACC vs P12
Citrus, Orlando FL - B10 vs SEC
Texas, Houston TX - B12 vs SEC
Fiesta (CFP), Glendale AZ - TBD vs TBD
1/1
Peach (CFP), Atlanta GA - TBD vs TBD
Rose (CFP), Pasadena CA - TBD vs TBD
Sugar (CFP), New Orleans LA - TBD vs TBD
1/2
Gator, Jacksonville FL - ACC vs SEC
1/3
First Responder, Dallas TX - AAC/CUSA
Mayo, Charlotte NC - ACC vs B10
1/4
Bahamas, Nassau Bahamas - CUSA vs MAC
1/9
Orange (CFP) Miami FL - TBD vs TBD
1/10
Cotton (CFP) Arlington TX - TBD vs TBD
1/20
CFP Championship, Atlanta GA - TBD vs TBD
So, which rivalry weekend games are actually worth watching?
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on November 29, 2024, 10:42:27 AMSo, which rivalry weekend games are actually worth watching?
Army v Navy?
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on November 29, 2024, 11:12:57 AMQuote from: Ted$8roadFan on November 29, 2024, 10:42:27 AMSo, which rivalry weekend games are actually worth watching?
Army v Navy?
Mike
Not this weekend. They play Dec 14. Georgia-Georgia Tech may be the best rivalry game of the weekend.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 29, 2024, 11:28:13 AMQuote from: mgk920 on November 29, 2024, 11:12:57 AMQuote from: Ted$8roadFan on November 29, 2024, 10:42:27 AMSo, which rivalry weekend games are actually worth watching?
Army v Navy?
Mike
Not this weekend. They play Dec 14.
and they have that date all to themselves for the prestige.
Texas at Texas A&M is by far the best rivalry game this weekend.
Imagine being Ryan Day right now....fourth straight loss to the one team you can't lose to, on your home field, with a national audience, and with your players showing more fight after the game than during it.
I didn't think there was any enjoyment to be had in a 7-5 Michigan season. Today I was proven wrong with the upset in Columbus. I'm definitely going to enjoy the social media demolition that is coming up.
https://x.com/barstoolsports/status/1862960560779731333
The thousand yard stare reminds me of the Titanic movie when the captain realizes the ship is going down.
Syracuse won. :)
My time in Florida has rendered me unsympathetic to misfortunes of any of the three big football schools.
Quote from: Rothman on November 30, 2024, 09:39:25 PMSyracuse won. :)
Good for them. Miami is overrated. SMU has been the best team in the ACC ever since they made their QB switch. As a Notre Dame fan, I'd rather face Georgia or Alabama than SMU, and I'm not exaggerating.
Here is an amusing thought, how far does Ohio State have to go into the playoffs for Ryan Day not to be fired? Maybe a National Championship game appearance is enough?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 01, 2024, 12:09:38 AMHere is an amusing thought, how far does Ohio State have to go into the playoffs for Ryan Day not to be fired? Maybe a National Championship game appearance is enough?
And I don't think it would be a surprise if they get that far. IMO they keep playing tight against Michigan because they play up the rivalry too much. They are arguably the second best team in college football - behind Oregon...right around Texas and Georgia.
I think only one spot is left for the playoffs.
Locks:
Oregon, Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana
Georgia, Texas, Tennessee
SMU
Notre Dame
Big 12 Champion
G5 Representative
The last spot will be Clemson if they win the ACC Championship. If they don't, my guess is that it will be Alabama over Ole Miss, South Carolina and Miami.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 01, 2024, 07:53:30 AMI think only one spot is left for the playoffs.
Locks:
Oregon, Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana
Georgia, Texas, Tennessee
SMU
Notre Dame
Big 12 Champion
G5 Representative
The last spot will be Clemson if they win the ACC Championship. If they don't, my guess is that it will be Alabama over Ole Miss, South Carolina and Miami.
Agree 100% with this. Will be very interesting to see where those four are ranked in relation to each other on Tuesday. None of them play next week so the order isn't likely to change in the final rankings.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 01, 2024, 12:09:38 AMHere is an amusing thought, how far does Ohio State have to go into the playoffs for Ryan Day not to be fired? Maybe a National Championship game appearance is enough?
If they lose in the natty he's safe for now but will be on the hottest seat of any coach in the country next season. Anything less than that is game over. Maybe if they lose a close game in the semifinals after dog-walking their first two opponents, that would be just enough for him to keep his job.
Right now, I would only put them as an underdog against Oregon, Texas and maybe Georgia. OSU almost got Oregon on a road game. There aren't any truly dominant teams like there was last year and in theory a lot of teams could make a playoff run.
Quote from: mgk920 on November 29, 2024, 11:12:57 AMQuote from: Ted$8roadFan on November 29, 2024, 10:42:27 AMSo, which rivalry weekend games are actually worth watching?
Army v Navy?
Mike
Most obvious answer every year aside from Alabama-Auburn
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on December 01, 2024, 08:10:19 AMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 01, 2024, 07:53:30 AMI think only one spot is left for the playoffs.
Locks:
Oregon, Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana
Georgia, Texas, Tennessee
SMU
Notre Dame
Big 12 Champion
G5 Representative
The last spot will be Clemson if they win the ACC Championship. If they don't, my guess is that it will be Alabama over Ole Miss, South Carolina and Miami.
Agree 100% with this. Will be very interesting to see where those four are ranked in relation to each other on Tuesday. None of them play next week so the order isn't likely to change in the final rankings.
Coaches poll has the pecking order for that last spot as Alabama, South Carolina, Miami, Mississippi.
Nobody cares about the Army vs Navy game even on the primary military base I work on. I would imagine it probably gathers a much larger following at the Naval Postgrad school in Monterey. I've just never been working out there on temporary duty the week of the game.
Some people from my old church really cared about Army-Navy. My main issue with watching it is that triple option offense where they run the ball 95% of the time.
Georgia Tech even ran that offense under Paul Johnson for a while, but I guess it generally did not work in the ACC because no highly-ranked QB or WR would want to participate in that kind of offense.
Quote from: 74/171FAN on December 01, 2024, 06:21:13 PMSome people from my old church really cared about Army-Navy. My main issue with watching it is that triple option offense where they run the ball 95% of the time.
Georgia Tech even ran that offense under Paul Johnson for a while, but I guess it generally did not work in the ACC because no highly-ranked QB or WR would want to participate in that kind of offense.
It worked when he first got there. He won an ACC title and got to a couple more ACC Championship Games.
Ironically Calvin Johnson, who is likely the greatest receiver in their history, played under Johnson. (He committed under the previous coach Chan Gailey however.)
NIU finished 7-5 and now await their bowl game. The fact that this team is the only reason playoff bound Notre Dame doesn't have a perfect season makes me a proud alumni. That September game will never be forgotten :biggrin:
Quote from: ET21 on December 03, 2024, 04:58:52 PMNIU finished 7-5 and now await their bowl game. The fact that this team is the only reason playoff bound Notre Dame doesn't have a perfect season makes me a proud alumni. That September game will never be forgotten :biggrin:
That was a tough loss to witness for me, but the reality is that wake up call has made ND a much better team, one capable of winning multiple games in the playoff.
Now they are putting 9-3 Alabama in the playoffs and leaving out 10-2 Miami. An Alabama team that lost to fucking Vanderbilt and got spanked by a bad Oklahoma team. That alone should disqualify them from the playoffs. But the playoff committee loves giving Alabama things they don't deserve on a silver platter. It's clearly obvious that they are biased for Alabama. At the risk of being called a boomer, but between this, NIL and the transfer portal has severely damaged college football. Unfortunately, it's about $€¥£¢. Another American tradition ruined by greed. Greed is the most egregious of the seven deadly sins.
To be fair Miami isn't exactly good either, they haven't really beaten anyone. I'd have them over Alabama by one spot but the computers seem to like Bama, they have some good wins.
Like with the last at large in the basketball tournament, I don't think the first one left out has much room to complain. You could have done more to enhance your resume.
Miami had a 21-0 lead at Syracuse and blew it. Finish your business and there's no question you're in. But you failed.
Quote from: bugo on December 04, 2024, 10:28:27 PMNow they are putting 9-3 Alabama in the playoffs and leaving out 10-2 Miami. An Alabama team that lost to fucking Vanderbilt and got spanked by a bad Oklahoma team. That alone should disqualify them from the playoffs. But the playoff committee loves giving Alabama things they don't deserve on a silver platter. It's clearly obvious that they are biased for Alabama. At the risk of being called a boomer, but between this, NIL and the transfer portal has severely damaged college football. Unfortunately, it's about $€¥£¢. Another American tradition ruined by greed. Greed is the most egregious of the seven deadly sins.
Have you been paying attention?
Quote from: bugo on December 04, 2024, 10:28:27 PMNow they are putting 9-3 Alabama in the playoffs and leaving out 10-2 Miami. An Alabama team that lost to fucking Vanderbilt and got spanked by a bad Oklahoma team. That alone should disqualify them from the playoffs. But the playoff committee loves giving Alabama things they don't deserve on a silver platter. It's clearly obvious that they are biased for Alabama. At the risk of being called a boomer, but between this, NIL and the transfer portal has severely damaged college football. Unfortunately, it's about $€¥£¢. Another American tradition ruined by greed. Greed is the most egregious of the seven deadly sins.
I don't think it should go purely by record. Nobody is campaigning for 10-1 Army to get in. You have to look at who you beat, who you lost to, and what your metrics are. Both teams had their chance to lock themselves in and blew it so neither has a right to complain.
My CFP would be:
1. Oregon
2. Georgia
3. Boise State
4. Arizona State
5. Texas
6. Penn State
7. Notre Dame
8. Ohio State
9. Tennessee
10. Indiana
11. Alabama
12. Clemson
Leading to these first round matchups
Clemson at Texas
Bama at Penn State
Indiana at Notre Dame
Tennessee at Ohio State
Doesn't seem right that SMU gets screwed because they made the conference championship game.
SMU has a better case for booting Alabama out of the playoffs than Miami did.
Quote from: thspfc on December 07, 2024, 11:52:49 PMMy CFP would be:
1. Oregon
2. Georgia
3. Boise State
4. Arizona State
5. Texas
6. Penn State
7. Notre Dame
8. Ohio State
9. Tennessee
10. Indiana
11. Alabama
12. Clemson
Leading to these first round matchups
Clemson at Texas
Bama at Penn State
Indiana at Notre Dame
Tennessee at Ohio State
In an ideal world, SMU replaces Alabama and Clemson moves up to the 11-seed so you have two in-state matchups in the first round.
Quote from: thspfc on December 07, 2024, 11:52:49 PMMy CFP would be:
1. Oregon
2. Georgia
3. Boise State
4. Arizona State
5. Texas
6. Penn State
7. Notre Dame
8. Ohio State
9. Tennessee
10. Indiana
11. Alabama
12. Clemson
Leading to these first round matchups
Clemson at Texas
Bama at Penn State
Indiana at Notre Dame
Tennessee at Ohio State
Penn State and Ohio State both have 2 losses, and OSU won head-to-head. Hard to see PSU being ranked higher.
Quote from: tigerwings on December 08, 2024, 09:46:53 AMDoesn't seem right that SMU gets screwed because they made the conference championship game.
I wouldn't have had them above Bama last week either.
Now that I look at it though, it's a valid point that if SMU is out in favor of Alabama, Indiana should be out too in favor of Ole Miss, and perhaps even Notre Dame in favor of South Carolina. I definitely see both sides, and won't be bent out of shape if SMU gets in.
What concerns me is that assuming SMU gets in, 6 out of 12 playoff teams will not have beaten a top 20 team all season (as of the current rankings). Boise St, Texas, Penn St, Notre Dame, Indiana, SMU. It shouldn't be like that. Good teams need to play more games against each other. If you go the whole season without beating a good team it's hard for me to feel bad when you get left out of the playoffs.
Quote from: thspfc on December 08, 2024, 10:47:18 AMQuote from: tigerwings on December 08, 2024, 09:46:53 AMDoesn't seem right that SMU gets screwed because they made the conference championship game.
I wouldn't have had them above Bama last week either.
Now that I look at it though, it's a valid point that if SMU is out in favor of Alabama, Indiana should be out too in favor of Ole Miss, and perhaps even Notre Dame in favor of South Carolina. I definitely see both sides, and won't be bent out of shape if SMU gets in.
What concerns me is that assuming SMU gets in, 6 out of 12 playoff teams will not have beaten a top 20 team all season (as of the current rankings). Boise St, Texas, Penn St, Notre Dame, Indiana, SMU. It shouldn't be like that. Good teams need to play more games against each other. If you go the whole season without beating a good team it's hard for me to feel bad when you get left out of the playoffs.
While you're at it, just make the playoff the top 9 teams from the SEC and 3 from the Big Ten. Let's not even allow anybody else to be eligible.
The "didn't beat a top 20 team" has a major flaw. You can't control how good your opponents are the rest of the season. Notre Dame scheduled Texas A&M, Louisville, Florida State, Army and USC, all of whom were ranked in the top 20 at some point during the season. Indiana didn't get to choose that they avoided Oregon, Penn State and Illinois in the Big Ten. At the end of the day, it's how good you were against the teams that you played. There are metrics to adjust for schedule strength, and those metrics have both ND and IU solidly ahead of any 3-loss team.
11 of the 12 are obvious. No one should have a beef for #12 because each contender had multiple opportunities to seal it up...and they didn't.
Alabama got the boot in the 12 team bracket in favor of SMU:
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42854711/oregon-georgia-boise-state-arizona-state-top-cfp-field
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 01:42:54 PMAlabama got the boot in the 12 team bracket in favor of SMU:
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42854711/oregon-georgia-boise-state-arizona-state-top-cfp-field
Rightly or wrongly, the committee made it clear that teams wouldn't be significantly punished for losing a championship game compared to teams that didn't play in one. Neither Texas nor Penn State moved below Notre Dame. SMU did drop below Indiana but not Alabama.
Thank goodness Bama didn't make the playoffs. If you want to make the playoffs don't get blown out by Oklahoma.
I do wonder how this would have panned out had SMU been stomped by Clemson? It was looking like that might happen early on last night.
I very clearly remember a few days ago that Alabama made it into the playoffs.
Check bugo's post above.
Quote from: hotdogPi on December 08, 2024, 02:41:07 PMI very clearly remember a few days ago that Alabama made it into the playoffs.
Check bugo's post above.
That was assuming SMU would beat Clemson. But they didn't, so Alabama is now out. I couldn't be happier with the selected top 12.
Bill Belichick, Tar Heels Coach (perhaps) - not something I saw coming.
Dan Mullen at UNLV, Frost back at UCF, Rich Rod back at West Virginia- its gonna be a ride next year.
Rich Rodriguez hasn't shown much evidence he can replicate his first term success at West Virginia anywhere else he's coached.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 19, 2024, 07:12:38 AMRich Rodriguez hasn't shown much evidence he can replicate his first term success at West Virginia anywhere else he's coached.
He won two conference titles in three seasons at Jacksonville State.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 19, 2024, 09:01:43 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 19, 2024, 07:12:38 AMRich Rodriguez hasn't shown much evidence he can replicate his first term success at West Virginia anywhere else he's coached.
He won two conference titles in three seasons at Jacksonville State.
Conference USA Jacksonville State offsets getting fired from Michigan and Arizona? He arguably is the worst coach Michigan had given his spread option just wasn't going to work the personnel. I'll give him that he was okay for a of couple years in Arizona.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 19, 2024, 09:49:31 AMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 19, 2024, 09:01:43 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 19, 2024, 07:12:38 AMRich Rodriguez hasn't shown much evidence he can replicate his first term success at West Virginia anywhere else he's coached.
He won two conference titles in three seasons at Jacksonville State.
Conference USA Jacksonville State offsets getting fired from Michigan and Arizona? He arguably is the worst coach Michigan had given his spread option just wasn't going to work the personnel. I'll give him that he was okay for a of couple years in Arizona.
You said he "hasn't shown much evidence." I provided evidence. Never claimed that it offset anything.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 19, 2024, 09:52:44 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 19, 2024, 09:49:31 AMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 19, 2024, 09:01:43 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 19, 2024, 07:12:38 AMRich Rodriguez hasn't shown much evidence he can replicate his first term success at West Virginia anywhere else he's coached.
He won two conference titles in three seasons at Jacksonville State.
Conference USA Jacksonville State offsets getting fired from Michigan and Arizona? He arguably is the worst coach Michigan had given his spread option just wasn't going to work the personnel. I'll give him that he was okay for a of couple years in Arizona.
You said he "hasn't shown much evidence." I provided evidence. Never claimed that it offset anything.
I guess that I'm having a hard time seeing the appeal for a big four conference school. Even Rich Rod's Conference USA winning teams only had nine wins in those seasons. It isn't any though they were making undefeated runs in one of the weaker conferences.
Yes, it would be fair to say that West Virginia hasn't done much of anything since Rich Rodriguez. Just seems like a lazy hire hoping past success will somehow repeat.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 19, 2024, 10:06:09 AMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 19, 2024, 09:52:44 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 19, 2024, 09:49:31 AMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 19, 2024, 09:01:43 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 19, 2024, 07:12:38 AMRich Rodriguez hasn't shown much evidence he can replicate his first term success at West Virginia anywhere else he's coached.
He won two conference titles in three seasons at Jacksonville State.
Conference USA Jacksonville State offsets getting fired from Michigan and Arizona? He arguably is the worst coach Michigan had given his spread option just wasn't going to work the personnel. I'll give him that he was okay for a of couple years in Arizona.
You said he "hasn't shown much evidence." I provided evidence. Never claimed that it offset anything.
I guess that I'm having a hard time seeing the appeal for a big four conference school. Even Rich Rod's Conference USA winning teams only had nine wins in those seasons. It isn't any though they were making undefeated runs in one of the weaker conferences.
Yes, it would be fair to say that West Virginia hasn't done much of anything since Rich Rodriguez. Just seems like a lazy hire hoping past success will somehow repeat.
West Virginia is a tough place to be. It's a bit of a geographical outlier in the Big 12, and while it has a decent history, that feels like a long time ago.
Rich Rod is at least someone who understands the state and its quirks - of which there are plenty. And that may help with fundraising, NIL, etc.
I am certainly not saying it's a great hire, but I understand the logic.
The new college football playoff begins this week. Does anyone think there should be fewer regular season games to offset the expanded format for player safety? I know it'll realistically never happen.
No
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on December 20, 2024, 06:04:31 AMThe new college football playoff begins this week. Does anyone think there should be fewer regular season games to offset the expanded format for player safety? I know it'll realistically never happen.
That won't happen. However, I do think that they will move the start of the season up a week in years where the season is only 13 weeks. The regular season is now defined as Labor Day weekend to Thanksgiving weekend. Some years (2024 and 25 for example) that is 14 weeks so teams get two bye weeks. Most years it's 13 weeks so teams only get one by week. I think they'll add a week on to the start of the season to give teams two bye weeks every year.
I think home teams go 4-0 this weekend in the playoffs. Texas and Notre Dame are significantly better than their opponents, and I think SMU will struggle in the weather. Tennessee giving Ohio State a game could happen though.
In a rare stroke of sense-ness, the two interesting CFB games are unopposed by the NFL this weekend. The other two CFB games can be broadcasted on The Ocho for all I care.
Love the home atmosphere in the playoffs. Not a fan of neutral sites, think the quarterfinals should be at home sites to give the bye teams a home game. Semis and finals can be at neutral bowl sites.
Changes to the playoff next year:
1. top 4 teams get the byes. Existing format is too goofy.
2. some sort of objective minimum strength of schedule requirement. Indiana is not a playoff team. Anyone who watched their games vs OSU and ND can tell you that. No more coasting against a cupcake schedule. Beat somebody good - or, at least keep it close against the great teams you play - or forever hold your peace. You need to prove you belong.
I get that it's a catch-22 when teams crash out of the rankings after losing to a playoff contender (which in itself is committee BS), but like, it's clear that UNLV and Louisville and Texas A&M are decent teams. Michigan is Indiana's best win. Michigan played 1 good game all year. Indiana beat Michigan by 5.
I've kinda always had a hunch that Indiana would be the worst team in the playoff. And yeah, this will probably be the most lopsided matchup we see. Hope Curt Cignetti learns to shut his mouth before his miracle transfers graduate and all his maniac quotes come back in his face .
I think we need standardized ooc scheduling a bit more. No more 3 cupcakes ooc, play some decent teams. We should have the 4 power conferences rotate challenges like in basketball. At the end of the day you can't control your conference schedule.
Quote from: thspfc on December 20, 2024, 11:04:33 PMI've kinda always had a hunch that Indiana would be the worst team in the playoff. And yeah, this will probably be the most lopsided matchup we see. Hope Curt Cignetti learns to shut his mouth before his miracle transfers graduate and all his maniac quotes come back in his face .
The man clearly has a massive ego, so don't expect that to happen anytime soon...
Quote from: thspfc on December 20, 2024, 11:04:33 PM2. some sort of objective minimum strength of schedule requirement.
The entire thing is up to a committee that is supposed to weigh this against other factors. You aren't keeping an 11-1 Big Ten team out of the playoffs anyway.
SMU is the at-large who had the largest question.
This 12-team playoff has been a bit of a snooze fest so far. But we got plenty of blowouts in the 4-team playoff so this isn't new.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 03:10:18 PMThe entire thing is up to a committee that is supposed to weigh this against other factors. You aren't keeping an 11-1 Big Ten team out of the playoffs anyway.
This line of thinking is part of the problem. Why not? Why is 11-1 a trump card, but say, 9-3 (Illinois' record) isn't? Is 10-2 a trump card? There just has to be more nuance than this. The sport is suffering. Two completely unwatchable games so far.
Usually there is a pretty big disparity in how good teams between the top 5 are versus those who ends up ranked around 12th. There probably was a logical fallacy assuming most games in a 12 team playoff format wouldn't be blowouts.
Quote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 04:23:49 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 03:10:18 PMThe entire thing is up to a committee that is supposed to weigh this against other factors. You aren't keeping an 11-1 Big Ten team out of the playoffs anyway.
This line of thinking is part of the problem. Why not? Why is 11-1 a trump card, but say, 9-3 (Illinois' record) isn't? Is 10-2 a trump card? There just has to be more nuance than this. The sport is suffering. Two completely unwatchable games so far.
lol. The sport is not suffering. There are always playoff blowouts.
Anyway you are making my point. The committee is supposed to manage the nuance. You want to add some random minimum standard that takes the nuance away.
Anyway the issue was SMU...not Indiana.
And what evidence do you have that Alabama would have fared better against Notre Dame?
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 04:51:17 PMAnd what evidence do you have that Alabama would have fared better against Notre Dame?
For that matter what evidence do I have that Alcorn State would have fared better against Notre Dame? It's a broken sport with incomplete information. Conjecture will always be necessary.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 04:48:36 PMQuote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 04:23:49 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 03:10:18 PMThe entire thing is up to a committee that is supposed to weigh this against other factors. You aren't keeping an 11-1 Big Ten team out of the playoffs anyway.
This line of thinking is part of the problem. Why not? Why is 11-1 a trump card, but say, 9-3 (Illinois' record) isn't? Is 10-2 a trump card? There just has to be more nuance than this. The sport is suffering. Two completely unwatchable games so far.
lol. The sport is not suffering. There are always playoff blowouts.
Anyway you are making my point. The committee is supposed to manage the nuance. You want to add some random minimum standard that takes the nuance away.
Just because the sport has always had blowouts doesn't mean we should be in favor of doing absolutely nothing to fix the problem.
The committee is not capable of managing the nuance. They suck at their jobs. If they were capable they would have left Indiana out. That's why there needs to be a standard.
Quote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 04:59:23 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 04:51:17 PMAnd what evidence do you have that Alabama would have fared better against Notre Dame?
For that matter what evidence do I have that Alcorn State would have fared better against Notre Dame? It's a broken sport with incomplete information. Conjecture will always be necessary.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 04:48:36 PMQuote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 04:23:49 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 03:10:18 PMThe entire thing is up to a committee that is supposed to weigh this against other factors. You aren't keeping an 11-1 Big Ten team out of the playoffs anyway.
This line of thinking is part of the problem. Why not? Why is 11-1 a trump card, but say, 9-3 (Illinois' record) isn't? Is 10-2 a trump card? There just has to be more nuance than this. The sport is suffering. Two completely unwatchable games so far.
lol. The sport is not suffering. There are always playoff blowouts.
Anyway you are making my point. The committee is supposed to manage the nuance. You want to add some random minimum standard that takes the nuance away.
Just because the sport has always had blowouts doesn't mean we should be in favor of doing absolutely nothing to fix the problem.
The committee is not capable of managing the nuance. They suck at their jobs. If they were capable they would have left Indiana out. That's why there needs to be a standard.
The sport is fine. There is no logic to your statements. You just don't think Indiana is good, but have no evidence that anyone else is any better.
And the committee is incompetent because they included a 11-1 major conference team but not a 9-3 team that lost to Vanderbilt? Ok...
Pretty much everyone agreed with their inclusion. Complete Monday morning quarterbacking now.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 05:13:33 PMQuote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 04:59:23 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 04:51:17 PMAnd what evidence do you have that Alabama would have fared better against Notre Dame?
For that matter what evidence do I have that Alcorn State would have fared better against Notre Dame? It's a broken sport with incomplete information. Conjecture will always be necessary.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 04:48:36 PMQuote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 04:23:49 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 03:10:18 PMThe entire thing is up to a committee that is supposed to weigh this against other factors. You aren't keeping an 11-1 Big Ten team out of the playoffs anyway.
This line of thinking is part of the problem. Why not? Why is 11-1 a trump card, but say, 9-3 (Illinois' record) isn't? Is 10-2 a trump card? There just has to be more nuance than this. The sport is suffering. Two completely unwatchable games so far.
lol. The sport is not suffering. There are always playoff blowouts.
Anyway you are making my point. The committee is supposed to manage the nuance. You want to add some random minimum standard that takes the nuance away.
Just because the sport has always had blowouts doesn't mean we should be in favor of doing absolutely nothing to fix the problem.
The committee is not capable of managing the nuance. They suck at their jobs. If they were capable they would have left Indiana out. That's why there needs to be a standard.
The sport is fine. There is no logic to your statements. You just don't think Indiana is good, but have no evidence that anyone else is any better.
And the committee is incompetent because they included a 11-1 major conference team but not a 9-3 team that lost to Vanderbilt? Ok...
^this.
Indiana absolutely deserved a spot in the playoff to prove themselves. Sure, they lost in that game, but it's not like it was a bad game. If you go along with that line of thinking, it's not even worth playing the games because you just have the same SEC and Big Ten blue bloods in there every year regardless. Seeing Alabama lose three games and then actually have to miss the playoff as a result was absolutely the right call.
The point of the playoff is not to sort out which are the 12 best teams, it's to crown a national champion. Teams like Alabama did not show during the regular season that they were worthy of competing for the championship. Indiana did.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 05:13:33 PMAnd the committee is incompetent because they included a 11-1 major conference team but not a 9-3 team that lost to Vanderbilt? Ok...
There it is again, not looking beyond records. I'm confused, are you for or against critical thinking?
If Alabama went 10-2 and didn't lost to Vanderbilt they were getting the nod over someone (probably SMU). Problem is that they didn't and lost three games. I'm not sure how Indiana being in the playoff is even a question?
Quote from: US 89 on December 21, 2024, 05:17:19 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 05:13:33 PMQuote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 04:59:23 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 04:51:17 PMAnd what evidence do you have that Alabama would have fared better against Notre Dame?
For that matter what evidence do I have that Alcorn State would have fared better against Notre Dame? It's a broken sport with incomplete information. Conjecture will always be necessary.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 04:48:36 PMQuote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 04:23:49 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 03:10:18 PMThe entire thing is up to a committee that is supposed to weigh this against other factors. You aren't keeping an 11-1 Big Ten team out of the playoffs anyway.
This line of thinking is part of the problem. Why not? Why is 11-1 a trump card, but say, 9-3 (Illinois' record) isn't? Is 10-2 a trump card? There just has to be more nuance than this. The sport is suffering. Two completely unwatchable games so far.
lol. The sport is not suffering. There are always playoff blowouts.
Anyway you are making my point. The committee is supposed to manage the nuance. You want to add some random minimum standard that takes the nuance away.
Just because the sport has always had blowouts doesn't mean we should be in favor of doing absolutely nothing to fix the problem.
The committee is not capable of managing the nuance. They suck at their jobs. If they were capable they would have left Indiana out. That's why there needs to be a standard.
The sport is fine. There is no logic to your statements. You just don't think Indiana is good, but have no evidence that anyone else is any better.
And the committee is incompetent because they included a 11-1 major conference team but not a 9-3 team that lost to Vanderbilt? Ok...
^this.
Indiana absolutely deserved a spot in the playoff to prove themselves. Sure, they lost in that game, but it's not like it was a bad game. If you go along with that line of thinking, it's not even worth playing the games because you just have the same SEC and Big Ten blue bloods in there every year regardless. Seeing Alabama lose three games and then actually have to miss the playoff as a result was absolutely the right call.
The point of the playoff is not to sort out which are the 12 best teams, it's to crown a national champion. Teams like Alabama did not show during the regular season that they were worthy of competing for the championship. Indiana did.
How exactly did Indiana show they were worthy?
Are you an Alabama or SEC apologist? If you were arguing against SMU I could see a somewhat reasonable. Going after Indiana ex post facto because of how they played today makes no sense.
I'm of the view that the bottom of the field doesn't really matter that much. It just needs to be big enough that everyone with a realistic chance of winning gets in. The ongoing quibbling is exactly what happens with the 16 seeds in the basketball tournament.
It isn't even really mattering. The lower seeds so far are getting smoked.
Quote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 05:58:35 PMQuote from: US 89 on December 21, 2024, 05:17:19 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 05:13:33 PMQuote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 04:59:23 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 04:51:17 PMAnd what evidence do you have that Alabama would have fared better against Notre Dame?
For that matter what evidence do I have that Alcorn State would have fared better against Notre Dame? It's a broken sport with incomplete information. Conjecture will always be necessary.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 04:48:36 PMQuote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 04:23:49 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 03:10:18 PMThe entire thing is up to a committee that is supposed to weigh this against other factors. You aren't keeping an 11-1 Big Ten team out of the playoffs anyway.
This line of thinking is part of the problem. Why not? Why is 11-1 a trump card, but say, 9-3 (Illinois' record) isn't? Is 10-2 a trump card? There just has to be more nuance than this. The sport is suffering. Two completely unwatchable games so far.
lol. The sport is not suffering. There are always playoff blowouts.
Anyway you are making my point. The committee is supposed to manage the nuance. You want to add some random minimum standard that takes the nuance away.
Just because the sport has always had blowouts doesn't mean we should be in favor of doing absolutely nothing to fix the problem.
The committee is not capable of managing the nuance. They suck at their jobs. If they were capable they would have left Indiana out. That's why there needs to be a standard.
The sport is fine. There is no logic to your statements. You just don't think Indiana is good, but have no evidence that anyone else is any better.
And the committee is incompetent because they included a 11-1 major conference team but not a 9-3 team that lost to Vanderbilt? Ok...
^this.
Indiana absolutely deserved a spot in the playoff to prove themselves. Sure, they lost in that game, but it's not like it was a bad game. If you go along with that line of thinking, it's not even worth playing the games because you just have the same SEC and Big Ten blue bloods in there every year regardless. Seeing Alabama lose three games and then actually have to miss the playoff as a result was absolutely the right call.
The point of the playoff is not to sort out which are the 12 best teams, it's to crown a national champion. Teams like Alabama did not show during the regular season that they were worthy of competing for the championship. Indiana did.
How exactly did Indiana show they were worthy?
They are a power conference team who played 12 games and won 11 of them, with their only loss coming to an even higher ranked team who is also in the playoff.
Would Alabama have kept it closer against Notre Dame and Penn State? Maybe, though they only scored 3 against a 6-6 Oklahoma so maybe not. I'd say Alabama had higher highs but also lower lows this year than Indiana or SMU. It was very close between them and SMU, which was basically a coin flip. But the great thing about the 12-team playoff is that no team with an argument to best best in the nation can complain about being left out. All the bubble teams lost games they could have won so they can't complain when the bubble goes the wrong way for them.
Quote from: US 89 on December 21, 2024, 06:21:37 PMQuote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 05:58:35 PMQuote from: US 89 on December 21, 2024, 05:17:19 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 05:13:33 PMQuote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 04:59:23 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 04:51:17 PMAnd what evidence do you have that Alabama would have fared better against Notre Dame?
For that matter what evidence do I have that Alcorn State would have fared better against Notre Dame? It's a broken sport with incomplete information. Conjecture will always be necessary.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 04:48:36 PMQuote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 04:23:49 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 03:10:18 PMThe entire thing is up to a committee that is supposed to weigh this against other factors. You aren't keeping an 11-1 Big Ten team out of the playoffs anyway.
This line of thinking is part of the problem. Why not? Why is 11-1 a trump card, but say, 9-3 (Illinois' record) isn't? Is 10-2 a trump card? There just has to be more nuance than this. The sport is suffering. Two completely unwatchable games so far.
lol. The sport is not suffering. There are always playoff blowouts.
Anyway you are making my point. The committee is supposed to manage the nuance. You want to add some random minimum standard that takes the nuance away.
Just because the sport has always had blowouts doesn't mean we should be in favor of doing absolutely nothing to fix the problem.
The committee is not capable of managing the nuance. They suck at their jobs. If they were capable they would have left Indiana out. That's why there needs to be a standard.
The sport is fine. There is no logic to your statements. You just don't think Indiana is good, but have no evidence that anyone else is any better.
And the committee is incompetent because they included a 11-1 major conference team but not a 9-3 team that lost to Vanderbilt? Ok...
^this.
Indiana absolutely deserved a spot in the playoff to prove themselves. Sure, they lost in that game, but it's not like it was a bad game. If you go along with that line of thinking, it's not even worth playing the games because you just have the same SEC and Big Ten blue bloods in there every year regardless. Seeing Alabama lose three games and then actually have to miss the playoff as a result was absolutely the right call.
The point of the playoff is not to sort out which are the 12 best teams, it's to crown a national champion. Teams like Alabama did not show during the regular season that they were worthy of competing for the championship. Indiana did.
How exactly did Indiana show they were worthy?
They are a power conference team who played 12 games and won 11 of them, with their only loss coming to an even higher ranked team who is also in the playoff.
Okay and? Who did they beat? Which of their games made you say "yep, that's a playoff team"?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 21, 2024, 06:03:45 PMAre you an Alabama or SEC apologist? If you were arguing against SMU I could see a somewhat reasonable. Going after Indiana ex post facto because of how they played today makes no sense.
Not an SEC apologist. SMU shouldn't have been in either but they had more of an argument than Indiana.
The committee didn't respect Indiana's schedule that much. That's why they were 10 while 11-1 Penn State was 6. As I said, all the bubble teams ranked 10-15 are very flawed in some way either by the lack of big wins or some bad loses. Nobody can complain when they get left out. And the BCS computers essentially agreed with the committee.
Had SMU won the ACC championship game Alabama would have been in. Trouble is that they lost three games and put their fate in the hands of others. There was no way a one loss Big Ten or SEC team wasn't making it in regardless of who they played. Yes, Indiana had a weak schedule but they beat everyone in front of them except OSU. Alabama had the Vanderbilt and Oklahoma losses which should have negated then from consideration anyways.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 21, 2024, 06:43:06 PMThere was no way a one loss Big Ten or SEC team wasn't making it in regardless of who they played.
And I reiterate that this is a problem.
Not saying anyone on this thread is guilty, but it's hilarious that the same people who complain about SEC bias are the ones who can't fathom leaving out a one loss B1G team, just because they are in the B1G.
If it somehow gives me more credibility, I will mention that I go to a Big Ten school.
For what it's worth the Big Ten has been the better conference the last couple years. It was bound to level off sometime form sheer SEC dominance. It worked in Alabama's favor last year when it probably shouldn't have. That was probably more about FSU being rendered uncompetitive by injury than conference bias.
Quote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 06:46:07 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 21, 2024, 06:43:06 PMThere was no way a one loss Big Ten or SEC team wasn't making it in regardless of who they played.
And I reiterate that this is a problem.
Not saying anyone on this thread is guilty, but it's hilarious that the same people who complain about SEC bias are the ones who can't fathom leaving out a one loss B1G team, just because they are in the B1G.
If it somehow gives me more credibility, I will mention that I go to a Big Ten school.
If not Indiana, then who? All the bubble teams had a lot of flaws. You also can't control your in-conference schedule.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 21, 2024, 06:48:26 PMFor what it's worth the Big Ten has been the better conference the last couple years. It was bound to level off sometime form sheer SEC dominance. It worked in Alabama's favor last year when it probably shouldn't have.
The SEC has been deeper than the BIG. The bottom of the BIG is very bad.
Quote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 05:58:35 PMQuote from: US 89 on December 21, 2024, 05:17:19 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 05:13:33 PMQuote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 04:59:23 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 04:51:17 PMAnd what evidence do you have that Alabama would have fared better against Notre Dame?
For that matter what evidence do I have that Alcorn State would have fared better against Notre Dame? It's a broken sport with incomplete information. Conjecture will always be necessary.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 04:48:36 PMQuote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 04:23:49 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 03:10:18 PMThe entire thing is up to a committee that is supposed to weigh this against other factors. You aren't keeping an 11-1 Big Ten team out of the playoffs anyway.
This line of thinking is part of the problem. Why not? Why is 11-1 a trump card, but say, 9-3 (Illinois' record) isn't? Is 10-2 a trump card? There just has to be more nuance than this. The sport is suffering. Two completely unwatchable games so far.
lol. The sport is not suffering. There are always playoff blowouts.
Anyway you are making my point. The committee is supposed to manage the nuance. You want to add some random minimum standard that takes the nuance away.
Just because the sport has always had blowouts doesn't mean we should be in favor of doing absolutely nothing to fix the problem.
The committee is not capable of managing the nuance. They suck at their jobs. If they were capable they would have left Indiana out. That's why there needs to be a standard.
The sport is fine. There is no logic to your statements. You just don't think Indiana is good, but have no evidence that anyone else is any better.
And the committee is incompetent because they included a 11-1 major conference team but not a 9-3 team that lost to Vanderbilt? Ok...
^this.
Indiana absolutely deserved a spot in the playoff to prove themselves. Sure, they lost in that game, but it's not like it was a bad game. If you go along with that line of thinking, it's not even worth playing the games because you just have the same SEC and Big Ten blue bloods in there every year regardless. Seeing Alabama lose three games and then actually have to miss the playoff as a result was absolutely the right call.
The point of the playoff is not to sort out which are the 12 best teams, it's to crown a national champion. Teams like Alabama did not show during the regular season that they were worthy of competing for the championship. Indiana did.
How exactly did Indiana show they were worthy?
They went 11-1 in a power conference and their only loss was to Ohio state. Very simple.
Quote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 06:46:07 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 21, 2024, 06:43:06 PMThere was no way a one loss Big Ten or SEC team wasn't making it in regardless of who they played.
And I reiterate that this is a problem.
Not saying anyone on this thread is guilty, but it's hilarious that the same people who complain about SEC bias are the ones who can't fathom leaving out a one loss B1G team, just because they are in the B1G.
If it somehow gives me more credibility, I will mention that I go to a Big Ten school.
It doesn't.
Quote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 05:33:52 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 05:13:33 PMAnd the committee is incompetent because they included a 11-1 major conference team but not a 9-3 team that lost to Vanderbilt? Ok...
There it is again, not looking beyond records. I'm confused, are you for or against critical thinking?
Says the dude who brought Alcorn State into the conversation. 🙄🙄🙄
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 07:04:23 PMQuote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 06:46:07 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 21, 2024, 06:43:06 PMThere was no way a one loss Big Ten or SEC team wasn't making it in regardless of who they played.
And I reiterate that this is a problem.
Not saying anyone on this thread is guilty, but it's hilarious that the same people who complain about SEC bias are the ones who can't fathom leaving out a one loss B1G team, just because they are in the B1G.
If it somehow gives me more credibility, I will mention that I go to a Big Ten school.
It doesn't.
I agree. But some people are kinda dumb.
Well now Tennessee is getting blown out. I think blowouts are just common in college football especially in home stadiums.
27-17 is not a blowout. I have no idea what the railing against Indiana was about.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 21, 2024, 09:20:11 PMWell now Tennessee is getting blown out. I think blowouts are just common in college football especially in home stadiums.
These aren't pro teams. Home field in college on big conference levels is a huge advantage.
Well Tennessee is beginning to climb out of the hole.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 07:05:22 PMQuote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 05:33:52 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 21, 2024, 05:13:33 PMAnd the committee is incompetent because they included a 11-1 major conference team but not a 9-3 team that lost to Vanderbilt? Ok...
There it is again, not looking beyond records. I'm confused, are you for or against critical thinking?
Says the dude who brought Alcorn State into the conversation. 🙄🙄🙄
RIP Steve McNair.
Quote from: hotdogPi on December 21, 2024, 09:21:03 PM27-17 is not a blowout. I have no idea what the railing against Indiana was about.
17-3 at halftime, then 27-3 with 4:50 to go in the fourth quarter. That's a "blowout" by any definition. Indiana did score a TD, get the 2-point conversion, recover an onside kick and score another TD with 0:25 remaining to make it 27-17, but when the 2-point try after that one failed it was over.
Well that was a snooze fest first round
The opening of the "transfer portal" before postseason games start is stupid. You're always going to have a few players bail out of a meaningless bowl game to protect their NFL draft status. Last night I flipped on the Holiday Bowl, which used to be a great tradition among the secondary bowl games, played before a sellout crowd in the Chargers' stadium. Washington State had 32 players file for the transfer portal, and their coach was gone as well. Ridiculous.
This year there are 12 teams in the playoff and 68 more teams playing 34 who-cares bowl games, so that's 80 teams and 45 postseason games in all. A team like Penn State that lost its conference championship game will play a maximum of 17 games (12 regular season, that Big Ten championship loss and 4 playoff games if they reach the championship game).
Here's how I want to change this:
If you had a full 32-team playoff, that's 31 games in 5 rounds. There's no need for conference championship games if you're putting 32 teams in the playoff. 12 regular season games plus 5 playoff games = 17 games maximum, so no change there. There would be some blowouts in the first round, but March Madness has plenty of North Carolina vs. Northeast Wyoming Tech in the first round as well.
If we really need to put Teams 33-80 including all those 6-6 teams in meaningless bowl games we could still do that, but who on earth would watch any of that when there are 31 playoff games, so those games would likely wither and die pretty quickly.
Quote from: gonealookin on December 28, 2024, 02:14:22 PMThe opening of the "transfer portal" before postseason games start is stupid. You're always going to have a few players bail out of a meaningless bowl game to protect their NFL draft status. Last night I flipped on the Holiday Bowl, which used to be a great tradition among the secondary bowl games, played before a sellout crowd in the Chargers' stadium. Washington State had 32 players file for the transfer portal, and their coach was gone as well. Ridiculous.
This year there are 12 teams in the playoff and 68 more teams playing 34 who-cares bowl games, so that's 80 teams and 45 postseason games in all. A team like Penn State that lost its conference championship game will play a maximum of 17 games (12 regular season, that Big Ten championship loss and 4 playoff games if they reach the championship game).
Here's how I want to change this:
If you had a full 32-team playoff, that's 31 games in 5 rounds. There's no need for conference championship games if you're putting 32 teams in the playoff. 12 regular season games plus 5 playoff games = 17 games maximum, so no change there. There would be some blowouts in the first round, but March Madness has plenty of North Carolina vs. Northeast Wyoming Tech in the first round as well.
If we really need to put Teams 33-80 including all those 6-6 teams in meaningless bowl games we could still do that, but who on earth would watch any of that when there are 31 playoff games, so those games would likely wither and die pretty quickly.
I still enjoy watching the bowl games. I have them double-boxed on my TV as I type this. What the bowl games can no longer be considered is an evaluation of the relative strength of the teams playing in them. Nebraska beating Boston College today doesn't have anything to do with how good those teams were during the season.
The transfer portal rules need to be cleaned up, but I think it's ultimately better for the game that it's easier for guys who are stuck behind starters can go somewhere to get playing time.
One change I'd like to see, is that if a player who previously received NIL money transfers, the receiving school has to reimburse the losing school that money. Make it more like the European soccer transfer window. This would help out the smaller schools who find those diamonds in the rough and then lose them to the bigger schools once they realize how good they are.
You have to open the portal this early. Players need to get enrolled at new schools prior to the start of second semester and some schools start right after the first of the year.
Also a player who is planning to transfer will skip a bowl game regardless of the portal being open or not.
They can enroll in their new school for fall semester. Yes they miss Spring practices and games but I don't care about those and most fans don't.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 28, 2024, 05:30:08 PMThey can enroll in their new school for fall semester. Yes they miss Spring practices and games but I don't care about those and most fans don't.
Teams care a lot about spring practices. They're very beneficial, especially now that there's higher turnover.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 28, 2024, 05:30:08 PMThey can enroll in their new school for fall semester. Yes they miss Spring practices and games but I don't care about those and most fans don't.
Their coaches do. And they want to get integrated into the team as soon as possible.
And every other student can transfer at semester...but you don't think football players should because you want to watch them in a bowl game?
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 28, 2024, 05:08:09 PMYou have to open the portal this early. Players need to get enrolled at new schools prior to the start of second semester and some schools start right after the first of the year.
Also a player who is planning to transfer will skip a bowl game regardless of the portal being open or not.
In a 32-team playoff with no conference championship games, 24 of the 32 teams would be eliminated by the second playoff round in the middle of December.
The portal could open after that second round of playoffs, fairly similar timing to what exists now. The players on the surviving 8 teams who were considering a transfer would have to make a decision about continuing. That's exactly the point we're at right now in this year's playoff. I know a few of the players on the 8 teams still playing have entered the portal, but not very many.
Any lower-level bowl games outside the 32-team playoff would be played post-portal opening with decimated rosters, as they are now. Some of the games would want to press on, to "continue the 80-year community tradition of the Sun Bowl in El Paso" etc., but I think with so many playoff games interest would decline to the point that the television networks, mainly ESPN, would kill them off.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 28, 2024, 06:06:55 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 28, 2024, 05:30:08 PMThey can enroll in their new school for fall semester. Yes they miss Spring practices and games but I don't care about those and most fans don't.
Their coaches do. And they want to get integrated into the team as soon as possible.
And every other student can transfer at semester...but you don't think football players should because you want to watch them in a bowl game?
I know the coaches do, but the coaches and players wouldn't be making millions if not for the fans.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 29, 2024, 10:13:16 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 28, 2024, 06:06:55 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 28, 2024, 05:30:08 PMThey can enroll in their new school for fall semester. Yes they miss Spring practices and games but I don't care about those and most fans don't.
Their coaches do. And they want to get integrated into the team as soon as possible.
And every other student can transfer at semester...but you don't think football players should because you want to watch them in a bowl game?
I know the coaches do, but the coaches and players wouldn't be making millions if not for the fans.
I don't think the fans care all that much. And again every other student can transfer at semester, but football players should not? Even basketball players can transfer in the middle of their season.
Prices on the secondary market are now under $20 for tomorrow's Peach Bowl between Texas and Arizona State.
These games need to be played at campus sites. Not in Atlanta.
For $20 I'd go watch a game I have no investment in.
I retract my statements, Bama was rightfully left out of the playoff. Though the same hindsight logic should be applied to Florida State last year, who was also rightfully left out of the playoff.
I'm more curious now if Michigan will crack the Top 25. They had a brutal schedule and virtually no offense. All the same, those were two solid wins to close the year out. Hard to believe a 8-5 season included wins against Ohio State and Alabama.
Indiana beat Michigan. Something that Alabama didn't manage to do. Illinois also beat Michigan and is currently beating South Carolina.
Man the SEC sucks
Horrible terrorist attack in NOLA kills 10 and injuries more. Prayers to all affected.
The sugar bowl will be postponed to tomorrow.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 31, 2024, 10:03:03 AMPrices on the secondary market are now under $20 for tomorrow's Peach Bowl between Texas and Arizona State.
Those folks definitely got their money's worth. Brutal loss for Arizona State.
It's left to Oregon to uphold the honor of the dear, departed Pac-12.
Quote from: gonealookin on January 01, 2025, 05:24:40 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 31, 2024, 10:03:03 AMPrices on the secondary market are now under $20 for tomorrow's Peach Bowl between Texas and Arizona State.
Those folks definitely got their money's worth. Brutal loss for Arizona State.
It's left to Oregon to uphold the honor of the dear, departed Pac-12.
Well...
Oregon shouldn't have made the playoffs after what we're seeing today.
/jk
Pretty sure Ryan Day is clinching saving his job.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 01, 2025, 06:27:37 PMQuote from: gonealookin on January 01, 2025, 05:24:40 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 31, 2024, 10:03:03 AMPrices on the secondary market are now under $20 for tomorrow's Peach Bowl between Texas and Arizona State.
Those folks definitely got their money's worth. Brutal loss for Arizona State.
It's left to Oregon to uphold the honor of the dear, departed Pac-12.
Well...
dear god...
Between this and the terrible situation in New Orleans, this New Year's Day of college football is coming to a very early end.
(picks up TV remote)...*click*
Quote from: gonealookin on January 01, 2025, 06:34:12 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on January 01, 2025, 06:27:37 PMQuote from: gonealookin on January 01, 2025, 05:24:40 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 31, 2024, 10:03:03 AMPrices on the secondary market are now under $20 for tomorrow's Peach Bowl between Texas and Arizona State.
Those folks definitely got their money's worth. Brutal loss for Arizona State.
It's left to Oregon to uphold the honor of the dear, departed Pac-12.
Well...
dear god...
Between this and the terrible situation in New Orleans, this New Year's Day of college football is coming to a very early end.
(picks up TV remote)...*click*
The game will be held tomorrow at 3 PM New Orleans time (which translates to 1 PM on the West Coast), so there'll be an extra day of New Year's football. That Bourbon Street massacre definitely was a terrible start to 2025.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2025, 06:33:09 PMPretty sure Ryan Day is clinching saving his job.
I will be the first to eat all my words. It takes an incredible coach to get the response that he's gotten from his players since The Incident. If these two games were close, maybe I'd still be on the hater bandwagon, but the total evisceration is undeniable.
Quote from: thspfc on January 01, 2025, 07:48:49 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2025, 06:33:09 PMPretty sure Ryan Day is clinching saving his job.
I will be the first to eat all my words. It takes an incredible coach to get the response that he's gotten from his players since The Incident. If these two games were close, maybe I'd still be on the hater bandwagon, but the total evisceration is undeniable.
It would fair to point out there was a similar pattern with Harbaugh coached teams losing to OSU. The Michigan fan base was calling for Harbaugh's head also after losing a bunch of OSU games. It feels like sometimes that back and forth has been forgotten about in the recent UofM/OSU situation.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 01, 2025, 02:25:12 PMHorrible terrorist attack in NOLA kills 10 and injuries more. Prayers to all affected.
The sugar bowl will be postponed to tomorrow.
And giving the bad guy * EXACTLY * what he wanted in the process.
:rolleyes:
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on January 02, 2025, 01:27:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on January 01, 2025, 02:25:12 PMHorrible terrorist attack in NOLA kills 10 and injuries more. Prayers to all affected.
The sugar bowl will be postponed to tomorrow.
And giving the bad guy * EXACTLY * what he wanted in the process.
:rolleyes:
Mike
What did he want?
Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 02, 2025, 01:57:30 PMQuote from: mgk920 on January 02, 2025, 01:27:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on January 01, 2025, 02:25:12 PMHorrible terrorist attack in NOLA kills 10 and injuries more. Prayers to all affected.
The sugar bowl will be postponed to tomorrow.
And giving the bad guy * EXACTLY * what he wanted in the process.
:rolleyes:
Mike
What did he want?
Attention. I suppose there's a discussion to be had about the obscene amount of media coverage that follows every terrorist attack (including and especially school shootings). The instant fame is a powerful incentive for an awful human being to do awful things.
However I'm not really sure what the Sugar Bowl has to do with that.
Quote from: thspfc on January 02, 2025, 02:35:06 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on January 02, 2025, 01:57:30 PMQuote from: mgk920 on January 02, 2025, 01:27:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on January 01, 2025, 02:25:12 PMHorrible terrorist attack in NOLA kills 10 and injuries more. Prayers to all affected.
The sugar bowl will be postponed to tomorrow.
And giving the bad guy * EXACTLY * what he wanted in the process.
:rolleyes:
Mike
What did he want?
Attention. I suppose there's a discussion to be had about the obscene amount of media coverage that follows every terrorist attack (including and especially school shootings). The instant fame is a powerful incentive for an awful human being to do awful things.
However I'm not really sure what the Sugar Bowl has to do with that.
Right. He got attention for killing 15 people. Almost everyone involved with the game wanted it postponed, especially with a number of unknowns that have since been cleared up. To plow forward so the terrorist doesn't get to claim sort of victory, doesn't make a lot of sense.
Notre Dame beats Georgia, another loss for the SEC. Texas is the last SEC team remaining.
All the 5-8 seeds won in the first 2 rounds.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 02, 2025, 03:16:34 PMQuote from: thspfc on January 02, 2025, 02:35:06 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on January 02, 2025, 01:57:30 PMWhat did he want?
Attention. I suppose there's a discussion to be had about the obscene amount of media coverage that follows every terrorist attack (including and especially school shootings). The instant fame is a powerful incentive for an awful human being to do awful things.
However I'm not really sure what the Sugar Bowl has to do with that.
Right. He got attention for killing 15 people. Almost everyone involved with the game wanted it postponed, especially with a number of unknowns that have since been cleared up. To plow forward so the terrorist doesn't get to claim sort of victory, doesn't make a lot of sense.
Being originally from the San Francisco Bay Area, I thought about the day in 1978 that San Francisco Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk were shot and killed. The Steelers and 49ers were scheduled to play on Monday Night Football at Candlestick Park that same evening. There was some pressure put on the NFL to postpone the game, but it was played as scheduled.
Not that there was any jeopardy to the public or any particular association between the shootings and the football game, but sometimes sports ought to step aside in respect of larger events. The NFL was also criticized for playing its games the Sunday after JFK was assassinated on a Friday. I think with 2025 judgment, those decisions by the NFL in 1963 and 1978 would be different.
Outside of the game being in the same city, what exactly was the security concern? Everything I've read keeps mentioning security sweeps, but what they were actually looking to find? Was there actual reliable intel that there was threat to the Super Dome?
Not that I'm not suggesting the game should have been played yesterday...
Quote from: Big John on January 02, 2025, 08:33:33 PMAll the 5-8 seeds won in the first 2 rounds.
AKA, every team with a bye lost.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 02, 2025, 10:18:14 PMOutside of the game being in the same city, what exactly was the security concern? Everything I've read keeps mentioning security sweeps, but what they were actually looking to find? Was there actual reliable intel that there was threat to the Super Dome?
Not that I'm not suggesting the game should have been played yesterday...
There was still an investigation going on regarding if this might be part of something larger. It wasn't until later in the day that law enforcement was confident that he was a "lone wolf."
Apparently Indiana's QB played the entire season with a torn ACL.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/43272059/indiana-qb-kurtis-rourke-played-torn-acl-set-surgery
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 02, 2025, 10:18:14 PMOutside of the game being in the same city, what exactly was the security concern? Everything I've read keeps mentioning security sweeps, but what they were actually looking to find? Was there actual reliable intel that there was threat to the Super Dome?
Not that I'm not suggesting the game should have been played yesterday...
So, I was actually in New Orleans over New Year's for the game. Our hotel was in Metarie, about 8 miles away. We had driven 13½ hours to get there on NYE, so we didn't even consider heading down to the French Quarter. Even if we had, I haven't stayed out past 3am in about 20 yeaars.
I woke up about 6am on New Year's Day, showered and shaved, and then turned on the local news just to see what might be going on ahead of the game. That's when I found out. At that point, the game was still on, so we kept our plans to meet up with a couple media friends at their hotel, on Canal just 2 blocks from Bourbon.
With a 7:45pm scheduled kickoff, they really had to decide by early afternoon whether or not to go ahead with the game. At that time, they didn't know whether this guy acted alone or whether something else might be planned. Also, much of the law enforcement/security presence scheduled for the Superdome was still working in the French Quarter securing that area. Playing the game that night just wasn't realistic.
Because we had driven we didn't have to try to change a flight, and because our hotel wasn't near the Superdome or French Quarter, there was plenty of availability for us to extend a night. We did have to change the return trip to a single day Friday rather than splitting it up over Thursday/Friday because my son has commitments this morning. There were plenty of fans who weren't as fortunate, evidenced by the significant number of empty seats at the sold out game, especially on the Notre Dame side.
As for the game, it was glorious. One more Thursday and hopefully one more after that.
It's good to hear that everything worked out OK for you. Maybe except for
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on January 04, 2025, 08:24:43 AMWe did have to change the return trip to a single day Friday rather than splitting it up over Thursday/Friday because my son has commitments this morning.
because I'm showing 908 miles from Metairie to Munster, which is more than I've ever one in a single day (I think my max is around 800 miles). It looks like you also beat some difficult weather on that route.
Quote from: gonealookin on January 04, 2025, 09:33:22 AMIt's good to hear that everything worked out OK for you. Maybe except for
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on January 04, 2025, 08:24:43 AMWe did have to change the return trip to a single day Friday rather than splitting it up over Thursday/Friday because my son has commitments this morning.
because I'm showing 908 miles from Metairie to Munster, which is more than I've ever one in a single day (I think my max is around 800 miles). It looks like you also beat some difficult weather on that route.
Yeah I think the final odometer reading was 912. Trip down had rain all the way through IL, but never heavy. Trip back had no issues at all. One of the main reasons we were not planning on driving all the way back Thursday was the weather, but Friday was perfect all the way.
Congrats to the North Dakota State Bison for winning their 10th FCS national championship in the last 14 years
If they've won that much, why aren't they in FBS yet?
Why bother? They stand basically no chance of doing anything significant unless they are in a big conference.
Quote from: hotdogPi on January 07, 2025, 07:11:43 AMIf they've won that much, why aren't they in FBS yet?
They have looked at it. The Mountain West reached out to them this year after a number of their members left for the Pac 12. However the cost to transition from FCS to FBS is $5 million plus a requirement to fill 90% of the allowed athleteic scholarships.
So their cost would increase substantially, and as Max pointed out, their road to success is a lot harder being in a "Group of 5" conference. Recruiting talent to succeed at that level would be a lot harder too.
Why be a nobody in FBS if you can be a champion in FCS?
Quote from: SEWIGuy on January 07, 2025, 08:51:37 AMQuote from: hotdogPi on January 07, 2025, 07:11:43 AMIf they've won that much, why aren't they in FBS yet?
They have looked at it. The Mountain West reached out to them this year after a number of their members left for the Pac 12. However the cost to transition from FCS to FBS is $5 million plus a requirement to fill 90% of the allowed athleteic scholarships.
So their cost would increase substantially, and as Max pointed out, their road to success is a lot harder being in a "Group of 5" conference. Recruiting talent to succeed at that level would be a lot harder too.
Why be a nobody in FBS if you can be a champion in FCS?
Of all the teams that have moved up to FBS since Division I split, only Boise State has had any level of success. NDSU is better than most of the FBS teams who have moved up. It's a losing proposition.
Two more Notre Dame wins for NIU to become transitive national champions :bigass:
WHOOHOOO!!! :clap:
Quote from: ET21 on January 08, 2025, 06:33:57 PMTwo more Notre Dame wins for NIU to become transitive national champions :bigass:
One more now. :-D
It'll be the battle of US 33 in the national title game.
(Well sorta, 33 goes to Elkhart, not South Bend...but close enough)
Quote from: Buck87 on January 11, 2025, 10:49:17 AMIt'll be the battle of US 33 in the national title game.
(Well sorta, 33 goes to Elkhart, not South Bend...but close enough)
Used to go right through South Bend, right along the west edge of campus.
Dixie locked out of the national championship game for second year in a row
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 11, 2025, 01:48:38 PMDixie locked out of the national championship game for second year in a row
Perhaps this is a sign of the times. Since championship games became an official thing for the 1998 season, there are few times that there wasn't at least one "Dixie" team in the game:
2004: USC vs Oklahoma
2014: Ohio State vs Oregon
2023: Michigan vs Washington
2024: Notre Dame vs Ohio State
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on January 12, 2025, 03:32:10 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on January 11, 2025, 01:48:38 PMDixie locked out of the national championship game for second year in a row
Perhaps this is a sign of the times. Since championship games became an official thing for the 1998 season, there are few times that there wasn't at least one "Dixie" team in the game:
2004: USC vs Oklahoma
2014: Ohio State vs Oregon
2023: Michigan vs Washington
2024: Notre Dame vs Ohio State
Eh Oklahoma is Dixie. Also congrats Ohio State on winning the natty.
I just wish that alumni get something out of their school winning a national championship instead of spending money on their school when they "win."
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 21, 2025, 11:38:32 AMI just wish that alumni get something out of their school winning a national championship instead of spending money on their school when they "win."
Like a senior discount or something?
Quote from: hobsini2 on January 21, 2025, 01:53:47 PMQuote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 21, 2025, 11:38:32 AMI just wish that alumni get something out of their school winning a national championship instead of spending money on their school when they "win."
Like a senior discount or something?
You get a sense of satisfaction that you can ride until next season. I guess that also extends to non-alumni fans.
Now if this was in Europe or pretty much anywhere else in the World outside of North America, because of this the Buckeyes would be promoted to the NFL and the Titans would be relegated.
:-P
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on January 21, 2025, 02:29:51 PMNow if this was in Europe or pretty much anywhere else in the World outside of North America, because of this the Buckeyes would be promoted to the NFL and the Titans would be relegated.
:-P
Mike
I wish there was a downgrade for some teams to something like the UFL.
Quote from: mgk920 on January 21, 2025, 02:29:51 PMNow if this was in Europe or pretty much anywhere else in the World outside of North America, because of this the Buckeyes would be promoted to the NFL and the Titans would be relegated.
:-P
Mike
Most of Ohio would gladly switch out the Browns for the Buckeyes.
There is no way any college team stands a chance against the worst modern NFL teams.
And yes, before someone mentions it I'm aware there were occasional matchups a half century ago.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/45271767/sources-college-football-playoff-moving-straight-seeding
QuoteThe 12-team College Football Playoff will move to a straight seeding model this fall, rewarding the selection committee's top four teams with the top four seeds and a first-round bye, the CFP announced Thursday.
The 10 FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, who comprise the CFP's management committee, reached the unanimous agreement necessary to make the change during a call on Thursday afternoon.
Editor's Picks
This past season, the four highest-ranked conference champions earned the top four seeds -- regardless of where they were ranked. Now, independent Notre Dame is eligible to earn a first-round bye if the Irish are ranked in the top four.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 22, 2025, 03:53:24 PMhttps://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/45271767/sources-college-football-playoff-moving-straight-seeding
QuoteThe 12-team College Football Playoff will move to a straight seeding model this fall, rewarding the selection committee's top four teams with the top four seeds and a first-round bye, the CFP announced Thursday.
The 10 FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, who comprise the CFP's management committee, reached the unanimous agreement necessary to make the change during a call on Thursday afternoon.
Editor's Picks
This past season, the four highest-ranked conference champions earned the top four seeds -- regardless of where they were ranked. Now, independent Notre Dame is eligible to earn a first-round bye if the Irish are ranked in the top four.
The 12-team format has only been around for a year and yet this still feels long overdue. Last year's seeding made the whole tournament kinda unserious. The game that should have been the natty happened in the quarterfinals, and once Oregon was out, the next game that should have been the natty happened in the semifinals.
Quote from: thspfc on May 23, 2025, 03:59:15 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 22, 2025, 03:53:24 PMhttps://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/45271767/sources-college-football-playoff-moving-straight-seeding
QuoteThe 12-team College Football Playoff will move to a straight seeding model this fall, rewarding the selection committee's top four teams with the top four seeds and a first-round bye, the CFP announced Thursday.
The 10 FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, who comprise the CFP's management committee, reached the unanimous agreement necessary to make the change during a call on Thursday afternoon.
Editor's Picks
This past season, the four highest-ranked conference champions earned the top four seeds -- regardless of where they were ranked. Now, independent Notre Dame is eligible to earn a first-round bye if the Irish are ranked in the top four.
The 12-team format has only been around for a year and yet this still feels long overdue. Last year's seeding made the whole tournament kinda unserious. The game that should have been the natty happened in the quarterfinals, and once Oregon was out, the next game that should have been the natty happened in the semifinals.
Not sure what you are talking about. The two best teams met in the finals.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 23, 2025, 04:40:20 PMQuote from: thspfc on May 23, 2025, 03:59:15 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 22, 2025, 03:53:24 PMhttps://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/45271767/sources-college-football-playoff-moving-straight-seeding
QuoteThe 12-team College Football Playoff will move to a straight seeding model this fall, rewarding the selection committee's top four teams with the top four seeds and a first-round bye, the CFP announced Thursday.
The 10 FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, who comprise the CFP's management committee, reached the unanimous agreement necessary to make the change during a call on Thursday afternoon.
Editor's Picks
This past season, the four highest-ranked conference champions earned the top four seeds -- regardless of where they were ranked. Now, independent Notre Dame is eligible to earn a first-round bye if the Irish are ranked in the top four.
The 12-team format has only been around for a year and yet this still feels long overdue. Last year's seeding made the whole tournament kinda unserious. The game that should have been the natty happened in the quarterfinals, and once Oregon was out, the next game that should have been the natty happened in the semifinals.
Not sure what you are talking about. The two best teams met in the finals.
Notre Dame was the 4th best team in the country.
Quote from: thspfc on May 23, 2025, 10:20:24 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 23, 2025, 04:40:20 PMQuote from: thspfc on May 23, 2025, 03:59:15 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 22, 2025, 03:53:24 PMhttps://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/45271767/sources-college-football-playoff-moving-straight-seeding
QuoteThe 12-team College Football Playoff will move to a straight seeding model this fall, rewarding the selection committee's top four teams with the top four seeds and a first-round bye, the CFP announced Thursday.
The 10 FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, who comprise the CFP's management committee, reached the unanimous agreement necessary to make the change during a call on Thursday afternoon.
Editor's Picks
This past season, the four highest-ranked conference champions earned the top four seeds -- regardless of where they were ranked. Now, independent Notre Dame is eligible to earn a first-round bye if the Irish are ranked in the top four.
The 12-team format has only been around for a year and yet this still feels long overdue. Last year's seeding made the whole tournament kinda unserious. The game that should have been the natty happened in the quarterfinals, and once Oregon was out, the next game that should have been the natty happened in the semifinals.
Not sure what you are talking about. The two best teams met in the finals.
Notre Dame was the 4th best team in the country.
Notre Dame lost to Ohio State by 11
Texas lost to Ohio State by 14
Oregon lost to Ohio State by 20
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 24, 2025, 09:07:24 AMQuote from: thspfc on May 23, 2025, 10:20:24 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 23, 2025, 04:40:20 PMQuote from: thspfc on May 23, 2025, 03:59:15 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 22, 2025, 03:53:24 PMhttps://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/45271767/sources-college-football-playoff-moving-straight-seeding
QuoteThe 12-team College Football Playoff will move to a straight seeding model this fall, rewarding the selection committee's top four teams with the top four seeds and a first-round bye, the CFP announced Thursday.
The 10 FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, who comprise the CFP's management committee, reached the unanimous agreement necessary to make the change during a call on Thursday afternoon.
Editor's Picks
This past season, the four highest-ranked conference champions earned the top four seeds -- regardless of where they were ranked. Now, independent Notre Dame is eligible to earn a first-round bye if the Irish are ranked in the top four.
The 12-team format has only been around for a year and yet this still feels long overdue. Last year's seeding made the whole tournament kinda unserious. The game that should have been the natty happened in the quarterfinals, and once Oregon was out, the next game that should have been the natty happened in the semifinals.
Not sure what you are talking about. The two best teams met in the finals.
Notre Dame was the 4th best team in the country.
Notre Dame lost to Ohio State by 11
Texas lost to Ohio State by 14
Oregon lost to Ohio State by 20
Notre Dame would likely have been seeded fifth heading into the tournament.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 26, 2025, 05:41:47 AMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 24, 2025, 09:07:24 AMQuote from: thspfc on May 23, 2025, 10:20:24 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 23, 2025, 04:40:20 PMQuote from: thspfc on May 23, 2025, 03:59:15 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 22, 2025, 03:53:24 PMhttps://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/45271767/sources-college-football-playoff-moving-straight-seeding
QuoteThe 12-team College Football Playoff will move to a straight seeding model this fall, rewarding the selection committee's top four teams with the top four seeds and a first-round bye, the CFP announced Thursday.
The 10 FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, who comprise the CFP's management committee, reached the unanimous agreement necessary to make the change during a call on Thursday afternoon.
Editor's Picks
This past season, the four highest-ranked conference champions earned the top four seeds -- regardless of where they were ranked. Now, independent Notre Dame is eligible to earn a first-round bye if the Irish are ranked in the top four.
The 12-team format has only been around for a year and yet this still feels long overdue. Last year's seeding made the whole tournament kinda unserious. The game that should have been the natty happened in the quarterfinals, and once Oregon was out, the next game that should have been the natty happened in the semifinals.
Not sure what you are talking about. The two best teams met in the finals.
Notre Dame was the 4th best team in the country.
Notre Dame lost to Ohio State by 11
Texas lost to Ohio State by 14
Oregon lost to Ohio State by 20
Notre Dame would likely have been seeded fifth heading into the tournament.
And Ohio State would have been the sixth seed. That doesn't change the reality that they were the two best teams.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 26, 2025, 01:34:39 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on May 26, 2025, 05:41:47 AMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 24, 2025, 09:07:24 AMQuote from: thspfc on May 23, 2025, 10:20:24 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 23, 2025, 04:40:20 PMQuote from: thspfc on May 23, 2025, 03:59:15 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 22, 2025, 03:53:24 PMhttps://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/45271767/sources-college-football-playoff-moving-straight-seeding
QuoteThe 12-team College Football Playoff will move to a straight seeding model this fall, rewarding the selection committee's top four teams with the top four seeds and a first-round bye, the CFP announced Thursday.
The 10 FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, who comprise the CFP's management committee, reached the unanimous agreement necessary to make the change during a call on Thursday afternoon.
Editor's Picks
This past season, the four highest-ranked conference champions earned the top four seeds -- regardless of where they were ranked. Now, independent Notre Dame is eligible to earn a first-round bye if the Irish are ranked in the top four.
The 12-team format has only been around for a year and yet this still feels long overdue. Last year's seeding made the whole tournament kinda unserious. The game that should have been the natty happened in the quarterfinals, and once Oregon was out, the next game that should have been the natty happened in the semifinals.
Not sure what you are talking about. The two best teams met in the finals.
Notre Dame was the 4th best team in the country.
Notre Dame lost to Ohio State by 11
Texas lost to Ohio State by 14
Oregon lost to Ohio State by 20
Notre Dame would likely have been seeded fifth heading into the tournament.
And Ohio State would have been the sixth seed. That doesn't change the reality that they were the two best teams.
They ended up in the championship game but were not the two best teams heading into the playoffs. Oddsmakers had Texas, Georgia and Oregon as the three favorites.
Ohio State was only on such a lowly betting position because they got embarrassed by Michigan at home. The entire rest of the year they pretty much were the favorite to win it all.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 26, 2025, 02:48:24 PMOhio State was only on such a lowly betting position because they got embarrassed by Michigan at home. The entire rest of the year they pretty much were the favorite to win it all.
Yes that's usually how it works. When you lose a game, the odds you will be a champion usually diminish. They also lost to Oregon by the way.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 24, 2025, 09:07:24 AMQuote from: thspfc on May 23, 2025, 10:20:24 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 23, 2025, 04:40:20 PMQuote from: thspfc on May 23, 2025, 03:59:15 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 22, 2025, 03:53:24 PMhttps://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/45271767/sources-college-football-playoff-moving-straight-seeding
QuoteThe 12-team College Football Playoff will move to a straight seeding model this fall, rewarding the selection committee's top four teams with the top four seeds and a first-round bye, the CFP announced Thursday.
The 10 FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, who comprise the CFP's management committee, reached the unanimous agreement necessary to make the change during a call on Thursday afternoon.
Editor's Picks
This past season, the four highest-ranked conference champions earned the top four seeds -- regardless of where they were ranked. Now, independent Notre Dame is eligible to earn a first-round bye if the Irish are ranked in the top four.
The 12-team format has only been around for a year and yet this still feels long overdue. Last year's seeding made the whole tournament kinda unserious. The game that should have been the natty happened in the quarterfinals, and once Oregon was out, the next game that should have been the natty happened in the semifinals.
Not sure what you are talking about. The two best teams met in the finals.
Notre Dame was the 4th best team in the country.
Notre Dame lost to Ohio State by 11
Texas lost to Ohio State by 14
Oregon lost to Ohio State by 20
You understand why it's silly to use the margins of victory - not even the results - of 3 games to determine an entire ranking, right?
Quote from: thspfc on May 26, 2025, 09:58:29 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 24, 2025, 09:07:24 AMQuote from: thspfc on May 23, 2025, 10:20:24 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 23, 2025, 04:40:20 PMQuote from: thspfc on May 23, 2025, 03:59:15 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 22, 2025, 03:53:24 PMhttps://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/45271767/sources-college-football-playoff-moving-straight-seeding
QuoteThe 12-team College Football Playoff will move to a straight seeding model this fall, rewarding the selection committee's top four teams with the top four seeds and a first-round bye, the CFP announced Thursday.
The 10 FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, who comprise the CFP's management committee, reached the unanimous agreement necessary to make the change during a call on Thursday afternoon.
Editor's Picks
This past season, the four highest-ranked conference champions earned the top four seeds -- regardless of where they were ranked. Now, independent Notre Dame is eligible to earn a first-round bye if the Irish are ranked in the top four.
The 12-team format has only been around for a year and yet this still feels long overdue. Last year's seeding made the whole tournament kinda unserious. The game that should have been the natty happened in the quarterfinals, and once Oregon was out, the next game that should have been the natty happened in the semifinals.
Not sure what you are talking about. The two best teams met in the finals.
Notre Dame was the 4th best team in the country.
Notre Dame lost to Ohio State by 11
Texas lost to Ohio State by 14
Oregon lost to Ohio State by 20
You understand why it's silly to use the margins of victory - not even the results - of 3 games to determine an entire ranking, right?
Generally, yes, but when they are playoff games all occurring within the span of a month, they are more telling.
There's no data to suggest that, at the end of the season, Notre Dame was anything other than the second best team.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 27, 2025, 08:51:57 AMQuote from: thspfc on May 26, 2025, 09:58:29 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 24, 2025, 09:07:24 AMQuote from: thspfc on May 23, 2025, 10:20:24 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 23, 2025, 04:40:20 PMQuote from: thspfc on May 23, 2025, 03:59:15 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 22, 2025, 03:53:24 PMhttps://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/45271767/sources-college-football-playoff-moving-straight-seeding
QuoteThe 12-team College Football Playoff will move to a straight seeding model this fall, rewarding the selection committee's top four teams with the top four seeds and a first-round bye, the CFP announced Thursday.
The 10 FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, who comprise the CFP's management committee, reached the unanimous agreement necessary to make the change during a call on Thursday afternoon.
Editor's Picks
This past season, the four highest-ranked conference champions earned the top four seeds -- regardless of where they were ranked. Now, independent Notre Dame is eligible to earn a first-round bye if the Irish are ranked in the top four.
The 12-team format has only been around for a year and yet this still feels long overdue. Last year's seeding made the whole tournament kinda unserious. The game that should have been the natty happened in the quarterfinals, and once Oregon was out, the next game that should have been the natty happened in the semifinals.
Not sure what you are talking about. The two best teams met in the finals.
Notre Dame was the 4th best team in the country.
Notre Dame lost to Ohio State by 11
Texas lost to Ohio State by 14
Oregon lost to Ohio State by 20
You understand why it's silly to use the margins of victory - not even the results - of 3 games to determine an entire ranking, right?
Generally, yes, but when they are playoff games all occurring within the span of a month, they are more telling.
There's no data to suggest that, at the end of the season, Notre Dame was anything other than the second best team.
That's interesting, because there actually is data to suggest that. A lot of it in fact.
ESPN FPI: 3rd behind OSU and Texas
ESPN SOR: 3rd behind OSU and Oregon
ESPN offensive efficiency: 9th (they're 2nd in defensive efficiency)
Teamrankings.com SOR: 4th behind OSU, Oregon, and Georgia (I am aware they beat Georgia)
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QuoteThe 12-team College Football Playoff will move to a straight seeding model this fall, rewarding the selection committee's top four teams with the top four seeds and a first-round bye, the CFP announced Thursday.
The 10 FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, who comprise the CFP's management committee, reached the unanimous agreement necessary to make the change during a call on Thursday afternoon.
Editor's Picks
This past season, the four highest-ranked conference champions earned the top four seeds -- regardless of where they were ranked. Now, independent Notre Dame is eligible to earn a first-round bye if the Irish are ranked in the top four.
The 12-team format has only been around for a year and yet this still feels long overdue. Last year's seeding made the whole tournament kinda unserious. The game that should have been the natty happened in the quarterfinals, and once Oregon was out, the next game that should have been the natty happened in the semifinals.
Not sure what you are talking about. The two best teams met in the finals.
Notre Dame was the 4th best team in the country.
Notre Dame lost to Ohio State by 11
Texas lost to Ohio State by 14
Oregon lost to Ohio State by 20
You understand why it's silly to use the margins of victory - not even the results - of 3 games to determine an entire ranking, right?
Generally, yes, but when they are playoff games all occurring within the span of a month, they are more telling.
There's no data to suggest that, at the end of the season, Notre Dame was anything other than the second best team.
That's interesting, because there actually is data to suggest that. A lot of it in fact.
ESPN FPI: 3rd behind OSU and Texas
ESPN SOR: 3rd behind OSU and Oregon
ESPN offensive efficiency: 9th (they're 2nd in defensive efficiency)
Teamrankings.com SOR: 4th behind OSU, Oregon, and Georgia (I am aware they beat Georgia)
Those metrics measure over the entire season. Notre Dame was clearly nowhere close to the second best team early in the season. At the end of the season, they were the second best team, though I'll also note that they were ahead of both Texas and Oregon in one of FPI and SOR, so even accounting for the early season struggles the data supports being among a small number of teams that could be considered to be #2.
ND: 3rd in FPI, 3rd in SOR
Oregon: 8th in FPI, 2nd in SOR
Texas: 2nd in FPI, 5th in SOR
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QuoteThe 12-team College Football Playoff will move to a straight seeding model this fall, rewarding the selection committee's top four teams with the top four seeds and a first-round bye, the CFP announced Thursday.
The 10 FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, who comprise the CFP's management committee, reached the unanimous agreement necessary to make the change during a call on Thursday afternoon.
Editor's Picks
This past season, the four highest-ranked conference champions earned the top four seeds -- regardless of where they were ranked. Now, independent Notre Dame is eligible to earn a first-round bye if the Irish are ranked in the top four.
The 12-team format has only been around for a year and yet this still feels long overdue. Last year's seeding made the whole tournament kinda unserious. The game that should have been the natty happened in the quarterfinals, and once Oregon was out, the next game that should have been the natty happened in the semifinals.
Not sure what you are talking about. The two best teams met in the finals.
Notre Dame was the 4th best team in the country.
Notre Dame lost to Ohio State by 11
Texas lost to Ohio State by 14
Oregon lost to Ohio State by 20
You understand why it's silly to use the margins of victory - not even the results - of 3 games to determine an entire ranking, right?
Generally, yes, but when they are playoff games all occurring within the span of a month, they are more telling.
There's no data to suggest that, at the end of the season, Notre Dame was anything other than the second best team.
That's interesting, because there actually is data to suggest that. A lot of it in fact.
ESPN FPI: 3rd behind OSU and Texas
ESPN SOR: 3rd behind OSU and Oregon
ESPN offensive efficiency: 9th (they're 2nd in defensive efficiency)
Teamrankings.com SOR: 4th behind OSU, Oregon, and Georgia (I am aware they beat Georgia)
Those metrics measure over the entire season. Notre Dame was clearly nowhere close to the second best team early in the season. At the end of the season, they were the second best team, though I'll also note that they were ahead of both Texas and Oregon in one of FPI and SOR, so even accounting for the early season struggles the data supports being among a small number of teams that could be considered to be #2.
Yes, that's all true . . . but this is what I said:
QuoteNotre Dame was the 4th best team in the country [last season].
If you shrink the timeframe enough you can draw just about any conclusion you want, including that ND was awful because they lost to a MAC team. Did Notre Dame have the 2nd best playoff run of any team? Yes. Does that automatically make them the second best team? No.
In the NFL, it's undeniable that Washington had a great playoff run last year, probably a better run than the Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Lions, etc. Nobody would say Washington was better than those teams.
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QuoteThe 12-team College Football Playoff will move to a straight seeding model this fall, rewarding the selection committee's top four teams with the top four seeds and a first-round bye, the CFP announced Thursday.
The 10 FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, who comprise the CFP's management committee, reached the unanimous agreement necessary to make the change during a call on Thursday afternoon.
Editor's Picks
This past season, the four highest-ranked conference champions earned the top four seeds -- regardless of where they were ranked. Now, independent Notre Dame is eligible to earn a first-round bye if the Irish are ranked in the top four.
The 12-team format has only been around for a year and yet this still feels long overdue. Last year's seeding made the whole tournament kinda unserious. The game that should have been the natty happened in the quarterfinals, and once Oregon was out, the next game that should have been the natty happened in the semifinals.
Not sure what you are talking about. The two best teams met in the finals.
Notre Dame was the 4th best team in the country.
Notre Dame lost to Ohio State by 11
Texas lost to Ohio State by 14
Oregon lost to Ohio State by 20
You understand why it's silly to use the margins of victory - not even the results - of 3 games to determine an entire ranking, right?
Generally, yes, but when they are playoff games all occurring within the span of a month, they are more telling.
There's no data to suggest that, at the end of the season, Notre Dame was anything other than the second best team.
That's interesting, because there actually is data to suggest that. A lot of it in fact.
ESPN FPI: 3rd behind OSU and Texas
ESPN SOR: 3rd behind OSU and Oregon
ESPN offensive efficiency: 9th (they're 2nd in defensive efficiency)
Teamrankings.com SOR: 4th behind OSU, Oregon, and Georgia (I am aware they beat Georgia)
Those metrics measure over the entire season. Notre Dame was clearly nowhere close to the second best team early in the season. At the end of the season, they were the second best team, though I'll also note that they were ahead of both Texas and Oregon in one of FPI and SOR, so even accounting for the early season struggles the data supports being among a small number of teams that could be considered to be #2.
Yes, that's all true . . . but this is what I said:
QuoteNotre Dame was the 4th best team in the country [last season].
If you shrink the timeframe enough you can draw just about any conclusion you want, including that ND was awful because they lost to a MAC team. Did Notre Dame have the 2nd best playoff run of any team? Yes. Does that automatically make them the second best team? No.
In the NFL, it's undeniable that Washington had a great playoff run last year, probably a better run than the Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Lions, etc. Nobody would say Washington was better than those teams.
I shrinked the time frame to target your original assertion that Notre Dame only made the final because Oregon and Texas were on the other side of the bracket.
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QuoteThe 12-team College Football Playoff will move to a straight seeding model this fall, rewarding the selection committee's top four teams with the top four seeds and a first-round bye, the CFP announced Thursday.
The 10 FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, who comprise the CFP's management committee, reached the unanimous agreement necessary to make the change during a call on Thursday afternoon.
Editor's Picks
This past season, the four highest-ranked conference champions earned the top four seeds -- regardless of where they were ranked. Now, independent Notre Dame is eligible to earn a first-round bye if the Irish are ranked in the top four.
The 12-team format has only been around for a year and yet this still feels long overdue. Last year's seeding made the whole tournament kinda unserious. The game that should have been the natty happened in the quarterfinals, and once Oregon was out, the next game that should have been the natty happened in the semifinals.
Not sure what you are talking about. The two best teams met in the finals.
Notre Dame was the 4th best team in the country.
Notre Dame lost to Ohio State by 11
Texas lost to Ohio State by 14
Oregon lost to Ohio State by 20
You understand why it's silly to use the margins of victory - not even the results - of 3 games to determine an entire ranking, right?
Generally, yes, but when they are playoff games all occurring within the span of a month, they are more telling.
There's no data to suggest that, at the end of the season, Notre Dame was anything other than the second best team.
That's interesting, because there actually is data to suggest that. A lot of it in fact.
ESPN FPI: 3rd behind OSU and Texas
ESPN SOR: 3rd behind OSU and Oregon
ESPN offensive efficiency: 9th (they're 2nd in defensive efficiency)
Teamrankings.com SOR: 4th behind OSU, Oregon, and Georgia (I am aware they beat Georgia)
Those metrics measure over the entire season. Notre Dame was clearly nowhere close to the second best team early in the season. At the end of the season, they were the second best team, though I'll also note that they were ahead of both Texas and Oregon in one of FPI and SOR, so even accounting for the early season struggles the data supports being among a small number of teams that could be considered to be #2.
Yes, that's all true . . . but this is what I said:
QuoteNotre Dame was the 4th best team in the country [last season].
If you shrink the timeframe enough you can draw just about any conclusion you want, including that ND was awful because they lost to a MAC team. Did Notre Dame have the 2nd best playoff run of any team? Yes. Does that automatically make them the second best team? No.
In the NFL, it's undeniable that Washington had a great playoff run last year, probably a better run than the Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Lions, etc. Nobody would say Washington was better than those teams.
I shrinked the time frame to target your original assertion that Notre Dame only made the final because Oregon and Texas were on the other side of the bracket.
Can you quote me on where I said that?
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QuoteThe 12-team College Football Playoff will move to a straight seeding model this fall, rewarding the selection committee's top four teams with the top four seeds and a first-round bye, the CFP announced Thursday.
The 10 FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, who comprise the CFP's management committee, reached the unanimous agreement necessary to make the change during a call on Thursday afternoon.
Editor's Picks
This past season, the four highest-ranked conference champions earned the top four seeds -- regardless of where they were ranked. Now, independent Notre Dame is eligible to earn a first-round bye if the Irish are ranked in the top four.
The 12-team format has only been around for a year and yet this still feels long overdue. Last year's seeding made the whole tournament kinda unserious. The game that should have been the natty happened in the quarterfinals, and once Oregon was out, the next game that should have been the natty happened in the semifinals.
Not sure what you are talking about. The two best teams met in the finals.
Notre Dame was the 4th best team in the country.
Notre Dame lost to Ohio State by 11
Texas lost to Ohio State by 14
Oregon lost to Ohio State by 20
You understand why it's silly to use the margins of victory - not even the results - of 3 games to determine an entire ranking, right?
Generally, yes, but when they are playoff games all occurring within the span of a month, they are more telling.
There's no data to suggest that, at the end of the season, Notre Dame was anything other than the second best team.
That's interesting, because there actually is data to suggest that. A lot of it in fact.
ESPN FPI: 3rd behind OSU and Texas
ESPN SOR: 3rd behind OSU and Oregon
ESPN offensive efficiency: 9th (they're 2nd in defensive efficiency)
Teamrankings.com SOR: 4th behind OSU, Oregon, and Georgia (I am aware they beat Georgia)
Those metrics measure over the entire season. Notre Dame was clearly nowhere close to the second best team early in the season. At the end of the season, they were the second best team, though I'll also note that they were ahead of both Texas and Oregon in one of FPI and SOR, so even accounting for the early season struggles the data supports being among a small number of teams that could be considered to be #2.
Yes, that's all true . . . but this is what I said:
QuoteNotre Dame was the 4th best team in the country [last season].
If you shrink the timeframe enough you can draw just about any conclusion you want, including that ND was awful because they lost to a MAC team. Did Notre Dame have the 2nd best playoff run of any team? Yes. Does that automatically make them the second best team? No.
In the NFL, it's undeniable that Washington had a great playoff run last year, probably a better run than the Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Lions, etc. Nobody would say Washington was better than those teams.
I shrinked the time frame to target your original assertion that Notre Dame only made the final because Oregon and Texas were on the other side of the bracket.
Can you quote me on where I said that?
You said the game that should have been the natty was in the quarterfinals, thus implying that Oregon was the second best team. The two best teams played for the championship.
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QuoteThe 12-team College Football Playoff will move to a straight seeding model this fall, rewarding the selection committee's top four teams with the top four seeds and a first-round bye, the CFP announced Thursday.
The 10 FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, who comprise the CFP's management committee, reached the unanimous agreement necessary to make the change during a call on Thursday afternoon.
Editor's Picks
This past season, the four highest-ranked conference champions earned the top four seeds -- regardless of where they were ranked. Now, independent Notre Dame is eligible to earn a first-round bye if the Irish are ranked in the top four.
The 12-team format has only been around for a year and yet this still feels long overdue. Last year's seeding made the whole tournament kinda unserious. The game that should have been the natty happened in the quarterfinals, and once Oregon was out, the next game that should have been the natty happened in the semifinals.
Not sure what you are talking about. The two best teams met in the finals.
Notre Dame was the 4th best team in the country.
Notre Dame lost to Ohio State by 11
Texas lost to Ohio State by 14
Oregon lost to Ohio State by 20
You understand why it's silly to use the margins of victory - not even the results - of 3 games to determine an entire ranking, right?
Generally, yes, but when they are playoff games all occurring within the span of a month, they are more telling.
There's no data to suggest that, at the end of the season, Notre Dame was anything other than the second best team.
That's interesting, because there actually is data to suggest that. A lot of it in fact.
ESPN FPI: 3rd behind OSU and Texas
ESPN SOR: 3rd behind OSU and Oregon
ESPN offensive efficiency: 9th (they're 2nd in defensive efficiency)
Teamrankings.com SOR: 4th behind OSU, Oregon, and Georgia (I am aware they beat Georgia)
Those metrics measure over the entire season. Notre Dame was clearly nowhere close to the second best team early in the season. At the end of the season, they were the second best team, though I'll also note that they were ahead of both Texas and Oregon in one of FPI and SOR, so even accounting for the early season struggles the data supports being among a small number of teams that could be considered to be #2.
Yes, that's all true . . . but this is what I said:
QuoteNotre Dame was the 4th best team in the country [last season].
If you shrink the timeframe enough you can draw just about any conclusion you want, including that ND was awful because they lost to a MAC team. Did Notre Dame have the 2nd best playoff run of any team? Yes. Does that automatically make them the second best team? No.
In the NFL, it's undeniable that Washington had a great playoff run last year, probably a better run than the Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Lions, etc. Nobody would say Washington was better than those teams.
I shrinked the time frame to target your original assertion that Notre Dame only made the final because Oregon and Texas were on the other side of the bracket.
Can you quote me on where I said that?
You said the game that should have been the natty was in the quarterfinals, thus implying that Oregon was the second best team. The two best teams played for the championship.
To repeat, can you quote me on where I implied this:
QuoteNotre Dame only made the final because Oregon and Texas were on the other side of the bracket.
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QuoteThe 12-team College Football Playoff will move to a straight seeding model this fall, rewarding the selection committee's top four teams with the top four seeds and a first-round bye, the CFP announced Thursday.
The 10 FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, who comprise the CFP's management committee, reached the unanimous agreement necessary to make the change during a call on Thursday afternoon.
Editor's Picks
This past season, the four highest-ranked conference champions earned the top four seeds -- regardless of where they were ranked. Now, independent Notre Dame is eligible to earn a first-round bye if the Irish are ranked in the top four.
The 12-team format has only been around for a year and yet this still feels long overdue. Last year's seeding made the whole tournament kinda unserious. The game that should have been the natty happened in the quarterfinals, and once Oregon was out, the next game that should have been the natty happened in the semifinals.
Not sure what you are talking about. The two best teams met in the finals.
Notre Dame was the 4th best team in the country.
Notre Dame lost to Ohio State by 11
Texas lost to Ohio State by 14
Oregon lost to Ohio State by 20
You understand why it's silly to use the margins of victory - not even the results - of 3 games to determine an entire ranking, right?
Generally, yes, but when they are playoff games all occurring within the span of a month, they are more telling.
There's no data to suggest that, at the end of the season, Notre Dame was anything other than the second best team.
That's interesting, because there actually is data to suggest that. A lot of it in fact.
ESPN FPI: 3rd behind OSU and Texas
ESPN SOR: 3rd behind OSU and Oregon
ESPN offensive efficiency: 9th (they're 2nd in defensive efficiency)
Teamrankings.com SOR: 4th behind OSU, Oregon, and Georgia (I am aware they beat Georgia)
Those metrics measure over the entire season. Notre Dame was clearly nowhere close to the second best team early in the season. At the end of the season, they were the second best team, though I'll also note that they were ahead of both Texas and Oregon in one of FPI and SOR, so even accounting for the early season struggles the data supports being among a small number of teams that could be considered to be #2.
Yes, that's all true . . . but this is what I said:
QuoteNotre Dame was the 4th best team in the country [last season].
If you shrink the timeframe enough you can draw just about any conclusion you want, including that ND was awful because they lost to a MAC team. Did Notre Dame have the 2nd best playoff run of any team? Yes. Does that automatically make them the second best team? No.
In the NFL, it's undeniable that Washington had a great playoff run last year, probably a better run than the Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Lions, etc. Nobody would say Washington was better than those teams.
I shrinked the time frame to target your original assertion that Notre Dame only made the final because Oregon and Texas were on the other side of the bracket.
Can you quote me on where I said that?
You said the game that should have been the natty was in the quarterfinals, thus implying that Oregon was the second best team. The two best teams played for the championship.
To repeat, can you quote me on where I implied this:
QuoteNotre Dame only made the final because Oregon and Texas were on the other side of the bracket.
Saying that the game that should have been the natty was played in the quarterfinals directly implies that Oregon was the second best team, and then saying that the next game that should have been the natty was played in the semifinals, directly implying that Texas was the next best team.
Unless you were suggesting that the game that should have been the natty should not have been between the two best teams, which is a very bizarre position but at least gets you out of your contradiction.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on July 17, 1975, 05:22:16 PMSaying that the game that should have been the natty was played in the quarterfinals directly implies that Oregon was the second best team
Yes
Quoteand then saying that the next game that should have been the natty was played in the semifinals, directly implying that Texas was the next best team.
Yes
That's great but where is the part where I said the "only reason Notre Dame made the natty was because of UO and UT being on the other side of the bracket"? Where did I say that? I would say you're putting words in my mouth, but we're not even arguing the same point anymore.
Have I ever downplayed ND's wins over Indiana, Georgia, and Penn St, and everything they did in the regular season (beyond saying they weren't the 2nd best team in the country)? Have I ever said that there's no other reason they should've been in that game?
QuoteUnless you were suggesting that the game that should have been the natty should not have been between the two best teams, which is a very bizarre position but at least gets you out of your contradiction.
I don't even know what this means. Can you quote me on the two sides of this contradiction? What was the first thing I said, and what do you think I might be saying now that contradicts myself?
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QuoteThe 12-team College Football Playoff will move to a straight seeding model this fall, rewarding the selection committee's top four teams with the top four seeds and a first-round bye, the CFP announced Thursday.
The 10 FBS commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, who comprise the CFP's management committee, reached the unanimous agreement necessary to make the change during a call on Thursday afternoon.
Editor's Picks
This past season, the four highest-ranked conference champions earned the top four seeds -- regardless of where they were ranked. Now, independent Notre Dame is eligible to earn a first-round bye if the Irish are ranked in the top four.
The 12-team format has only been around for a year and yet this still feels long overdue. Last year's seeding made the whole tournament kinda unserious. The game that should have been the natty happened in the quarterfinals, and once Oregon was out, the next game that should have been the natty happened in the semifinals.
Not sure what you are talking about. The two best teams met in the finals.
Notre Dame was the 4th best team in the country.
Notre Dame lost to Ohio State by 11
Texas lost to Ohio State by 14
Oregon lost to Ohio State by 20
You understand why it's silly to use the margins of victory - not even the results - of 3 games to determine an entire ranking, right?
Generally, yes, but when they are playoff games all occurring within the span of a month, they are more telling.
There's no data to suggest that, at the end of the season, Notre Dame was anything other than the second best team.
That's interesting, because there actually is data to suggest that. A lot of it in fact.
ESPN FPI: 3rd behind OSU and Texas
ESPN SOR: 3rd behind OSU and Oregon
ESPN offensive efficiency: 9th (they're 2nd in defensive efficiency)
Teamrankings.com SOR: 4th behind OSU, Oregon, and Georgia (I am aware they beat Georgia)
Those metrics measure over the entire season. Notre Dame was clearly nowhere close to the second best team early in the season. At the end of the season, they were the second best team, though I'll also note that they were ahead of both Texas and Oregon in one of FPI and SOR, so even accounting for the early season struggles the data supports being among a small number of teams that could be considered to be #2.
Yes, that's all true . . . but this is what I said:
QuoteNotre Dame was the 4th best team in the country [last season].
If you shrink the timeframe enough you can draw just about any conclusion you want, including that ND was awful because they lost to a MAC team. Did Notre Dame have the 2nd best playoff run of any team? Yes. Does that automatically make them the second best team? No.
In the NFL, it's undeniable that Washington had a great playoff run last year, probably a better run than the Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Lions, etc. Nobody would say Washington was better than those teams.
I shrinked the time frame to target your original assertion that Notre Dame only made the final because Oregon and Texas were on the other side of the bracket.
Can you quote me on where I said that?
You said the game that should have been the natty was in the quarterfinals, thus implying that Oregon was the second best team. The two best teams played for the championship.
To repeat, can you quote me on where I implied this:
QuoteNotre Dame only made the final because Oregon and Texas were on the other side of the bracket.
Saying that the game that should have been the natty was played in the quarterfinals directly implies that Oregon was the second best team, and then saying that the next game that should have been the natty was played in the semifinals, directly implying that Texas was the next best team.
Unless you were suggesting that the game that should have been the natty should not have been between the two best teams, which is a very bizarre position but at least gets you out of your contradiction.
Somewhere Goat Jesus is smiling.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 19, 2024, 07:12:38 AMRich Rodriguez hasn't shown much evidence he can replicate his first term success at West Virginia anywhere else he's coached.
He let the late Ryan Mallett leave Michigan for Arkansas because Mallett was a pocket passer and he ran a scheme meant for a mobile quarterback. A great coach would have modified his offense to make use of such an amazing player. He apparently can't get out of his comfort zone.
Quote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 05:58:35 PMHow exactly did Indiana show they were worthy?
By winning 11 games in a major conference.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 20, 2025, 11:54:14 PMEh Oklahoma is Dixie. Also congrats Ohio State on winning the natty.
Oklahoma is
not a Southern state.
Quote from: bugo on May 31, 2025, 03:10:47 AMQuote from: thspfc on December 21, 2024, 05:58:35 PMHow exactly did Indiana show they were worthy?
By winning 11 games in a major conference.
Why are we resurrecting debates from five months ago???
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 31, 2025, 09:20:08 AMWhy are we resurrecting debates from five months ago???
I don't know. Ask NWI_Irish96. He's the one who posted to an old thread. Don't fucking blame me.
Poor Indiana, their fanbase can't even enjoy one good season of football without the Notre Dame brigade shitting on it.
Quote from: bugo on May 31, 2025, 02:05:33 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on May 31, 2025, 09:20:08 AMWhy are we resurrecting debates from five months ago???
I don't know. Ask NWI_Irish96. He's the one who posted to an old thread. Don't fucking blame me.
He posted to a old thread with new information.
You replied to a comment from the day after the first playoff game from a debate that had long petered out.
If you can't tell the difference, I don't know what to say.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 31, 2025, 02:11:51 PMQuote from: bugo on May 31, 2025, 02:05:33 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on May 31, 2025, 09:20:08 AMWhy are we resurrecting debates from five months ago???
I don't know. Ask NWI_Irish96. He's the one who posted to an old thread. Don't fucking blame me.
He posted to a old thread with new information.
You replied to a comment from the day after the first playoff game from a debate that had long petered out.
If you can't tell the difference, I don't know what to say.
Who fucking cares. You need to smoke a bowl and chill the fuck out, bruv.
Quote from: bugo on May 31, 2025, 02:13:22 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on May 31, 2025, 02:11:51 PMQuote from: bugo on May 31, 2025, 02:05:33 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on May 31, 2025, 09:20:08 AMWhy are we resurrecting debates from five months ago???
I don't know. Ask NWI_Irish96. He's the one who posted to an old thread. Don't fucking blame me.
He posted to a old thread with new information.
You replied to a comment from the day after the first playoff game from a debate that had long petered out.
If you can't tell the difference, I don't know what to say.
Who fucking cares. You need to smoke a bowl and chill the fuck out, bruv.
It's odd message board behavior and your reponse indicates you're kinda pathetic and unaware. So I guess it's to be expected.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 31, 2025, 02:07:15 PMPoor Indiana, their fanbase can't even enjoy one good season of football without the Notre Dame brigade shitting on it.
I didn't say anything about Indiana. I thought they were accurately rated at #10.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 31, 2025, 03:06:44 PMIt's odd message board behavior and your reponse indicates you're kinda pathetic and unaware. So I guess it's to be expected.
Like I said, you need to smoke a bowl or drink a beer or snort some cocaine or whatever you dweebs do.
Quote from: bugo on May 31, 2025, 02:13:22 PMI don't know. Ask NWI_Irish96. He's the one who posted to an old thread. Don't fucking blame me.
Quote from: bugo on May 31, 2025, 02:13:22 PMWho fucking cares. You need to smoke a bowl and chill the fuck out, bruv.
I find it funny that the most pissed off person in the thread is the one telling everyone else they need to chill out. I also find it funny, or maybe just sad, that the most pissed off person recommends cocaine as a good method of chilling out.
Quote from: thspfc on May 31, 2025, 09:58:59 PMQuote from: bugo on May 31, 2025, 02:13:22 PMI don't know. Ask NWI_Irish96. He's the one who posted to an old thread. Don't fucking blame me.
Quote from: bugo on May 31, 2025, 02:13:22 PMWho fucking cares. You need to smoke a bowl and chill the fuck out, bruv.
I find it funny that the most pissed off person in the thread is the one telling everyone else they need to chill out. I also find it funny, or maybe just sad, that the most pissed off person recommends cocaine as a good method of chilling out.
I wish the like button was still around.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 31, 2025, 10:09:59 PMQuote from: thspfc on May 31, 2025, 09:58:59 PMQuote from: bugo on May 31, 2025, 02:13:22 PMI don't know. Ask NWI_Irish96. He's the one who posted to an old thread. Don't fucking blame me.
Quote from: bugo on May 31, 2025, 02:13:22 PMWho fucking cares. You need to smoke a bowl and chill the fuck out, bruv.
I find it funny that the most pissed off person in the thread is the one telling everyone else they need to chill out. I also find it funny, or maybe just sad, that the most pissed off person recommends cocaine as a good method of chilling out.
I wish the like button was still around.
Heh, my older brother used to claim it calmed him down. At the time I think he misunderstood what "calm" actually was.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 31, 2025, 11:47:48 PMHeh, my older brother used to claim it (cocaine) calmed him down. At the time I think he misunderstood what "calm" actually was.
Does he have ADHD? Stimulants such as Adderall, Dexedrine and Vyvanse calm me down.
Quote from: bugo on June 02, 2025, 12:53:28 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 31, 2025, 11:47:48 PMHeh, my older brother used to claim it (cocaine) calmed him down. At the time I think he misunderstood what "calm" actually was.
Does he have ADHD? Stimulants such as Adderall, Dexedrine and Vyvanse calm me down.
No, he had a drug addiction and loved to party way too much.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 02, 2025, 01:07:35 PMQuote from: bugo on June 02, 2025, 12:53:28 PMDoes he have ADHD? Stimulants such as Adderall, Dexedrine and Vyvanse calm me down.
No, he had a drug addiction and loved to party way too much.
The reason I asked is because stimulants have very different effects when an ADHD person and a non-ADHD person takes them. I don't get a high or a buzz from amphetamines at all. A doper told me that every single person in the world will get a buzz from Adderall and other stimulants if they take enough. That's simply not true. If I take more than a normal dose, I get sick, but I never get high. Dopers suck. It's their fault that amphetamines are Schedule II and actual patients who need the meds have to jump through hoops to get them, and hope that the pharmacy can even fill the prescription because there have been amphetamine shortages for the last few years.
Indiana ducks out of a nonconference home and home with Virginia. They now play no power conference opponents outside the B1G for the rest of the decade.
Absolute chicken shit from that meathead coach. Putting on the tough guy act then doing this is so deplorable. I'd be fine with it if he could just come out and say he's willing to be a chicken if it means winning more games, but the ego is too big.
There is no team in the country I hate more than Indiana right now. Might have to make the trip to Bloomington when my Gophers play them in 2026.
Gotta be honest...I never have considered Indiana football worthy of hate.
Quote from: thspfc on July 15, 2025, 07:44:11 PMIndiana ducks out of a nonconference home and home with Virginia. They now play no power conference opponents outside the B1G for the rest of the decade.
Absolute chicken shit from that meathead coach. Putting on the tough guy act then doing this is so deplorable. I'd be fine with it if he could just come out and say he's willing to be a chicken if it means winning more games, but the ego is too big.
There is no team in the country I hate more than Indiana right now. Might have to make the trip to Bloomington when my Gophers play them in 2026.
Heh. While UVA is part of what is defined as a "power conference," it's debatable whether our team is really of "power conference quality," so to speak, at least based on its performance the last few years.
Apparently Indiana replaced us with Kennesaw State in 2027, Austin Peay in 2028, and Eastern Illinois in 2029.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 16, 2025, 09:11:39 AMGotta be honest...I never have considered Indiana football worthy of hate.
Cal's QB for the last couple years, Fernando Mendoza, who has developed into a solid player who could go high in the NFL draft, entered the transfer portal after last season and wound up at Indiana.
It shows that even a bottom-of-the-barrel Big Ten program like Indiana (yes, I know they had a rare good season in 2024) has the money to make big NIL offers to players that a low-end
Pac-12 ACC school like Cal doesn't have. Cal, and really most schools in the ACC outside of Clemson, Florida State and North Carolina, are rapidly becoming baseball-style farm teams for the SEC and Big Ten.
From a football perspective, I think Cal and Stanford would have been wise to stick with the downgraded Pac-12. I really can't see them ever competing in the ACC, which may end up blowing up anyway.
I understand why they wouldn't want to do that from an "institutional" perspective however.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 16, 2025, 10:03:07 AMFrom a football perspective, I think Cal and Stanford would have been wise to stick with the downgraded Pac-12. I really can't see them ever competing in the ACC, which may end up blowing up anyway.
I understand why they wouldn't want to do that from an "institutional" perspective however.
Ever since the explosion of games on cable in the 90s, money has been the driving factor for just about every decision.
It was inevitable that a conference based entirely in the Mountain/Pacific time zones and therefore unable to have games in the noon ET window, could not survive. I'm one of the biggest college football junkies there is, but even I couldn't manage to maintain interest in "PAC 12 After Dark"
The PAC 12 should have seen this coming and have been aggressively courting Texas and Oklahoma long before the SEC came for them.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on July 16, 2025, 10:45:56 AM....
The PAC 12 should have seen this coming and have been aggressively courting Texas and Oklahoma long before the SEC came for them.
They did. In the 2010–2012 realignment cycle, the Pac-10 tried to become the Pac-16 by adding Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Colorado. Colorado joined. Texas balked. There were multiple reports at the time that a major reason was that Texas wanted to establish its own TV network—which it did in 2011 when the Longhorn Network debuted—and that the Pac-## would not allow that but the Big 12 would. After Texas declined to move, the other Big 12 schools (except Colorado) decided to stay put as well.
It's interesting that later Texas did shut down the Longhorn Network as part of the move to the SEC, but I guess that just underscores the difference between the SEC's market presence and the Pac-10's.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on July 16, 2025, 10:45:56 AMQuote from: SEWIGuy on July 16, 2025, 10:03:07 AMFrom a football perspective, I think Cal and Stanford would have been wise to stick with the downgraded Pac-12. I really can't see them ever competing in the ACC, which may end up blowing up anyway.
I understand why they wouldn't want to do that from an "institutional" perspective however.
Ever since the explosion of games on cable in the 90s, money has been the driving factor for just about every decision.
It was inevitable that a conference based entirely in the Mountain/Pacific time zones and therefore unable to have games in the noon ET window, could not survive. I'm one of the biggest college football junkies there is, but even I couldn't manage to maintain interest in "PAC 12 After Dark"
The PAC 12 should have seen this coming and have been aggressively courting Texas and Oklahoma long before the SEC came for them.
1995hoo detailed their courtship of Texas and Oklahoma.
But the Pac 12 would likely still be around had they taken ESPN's 2022 deal of $30 million per school. The president of ASU, based off of an "analysis" from a member of his Economics faculty, convinced the others to turn it down thinking they were more like a $50 million per school conference. So ESPN turned to the Big 12 and extended that deal instead.
Now would that have been enough to hold onto USC and UCLA? That's the question.
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 16, 2025, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on July 16, 2025, 10:45:56 AM....
The PAC 12 should have seen this coming and have been aggressively courting Texas and Oklahoma long before the SEC came for them.
They did. In the 2010–2012 realignment cycle, the Pac-10 tried to become the Pac-16 by adding Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Colorado. Colorado joined. Texas balked. There were multiple reports at the time that a major reason was that Texas wanted to establish its own TV network—which it did in 2011 when the Longhorn Network debuted—and that the Pac-## would not allow that but the Big 12 would. After Texas declined to move, the other Big 12 schools (except Colorado) decided to stay put as well.
It's interesting that later Texas did shut down the Longhorn Network as part of the move to the SEC, but I guess that just underscores the difference between the SEC's market presence and the Pac-10's.
Should have given Texas whatever they wanted.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on July 16, 2025, 11:37:51 AMQuote from: 1995hoo on July 16, 2025, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on July 16, 2025, 10:45:56 AM....
The PAC 12 should have seen this coming and have been aggressively courting Texas and Oklahoma long before the SEC came for them.
They did. In the 2010–2012 realignment cycle, the Pac-10 tried to become the Pac-16 by adding Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Colorado. Colorado joined. Texas balked. There were multiple reports at the time that a major reason was that Texas wanted to establish its own TV network—which it did in 2011 when the Longhorn Network debuted—and that the Pac-## would not allow that but the Big 12 would. After Texas declined to move, the other Big 12 schools (except Colorado) decided to stay put as well.
It's interesting that later Texas did shut down the Longhorn Network as part of the move to the SEC, but I guess that just underscores the difference between the SEC's market presence and the Pac-10's.
Should have given Texas whatever they wanted.
There was no way the big dogs of the Pac-12 were going to go with that. Which is also why the SEC insisted that the LHN get shut down as part of their merger into that conference. Once you start acting like one school is better or more important than the others, that's when things fall apart.
The Big 12 is only still around because the Pac-12 got greedy, but that's the reason Nebraska and Colorado left.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 16, 2025, 12:10:02 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on July 16, 2025, 11:37:51 AMQuote from: 1995hoo on July 16, 2025, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on July 16, 2025, 10:45:56 AM....
The PAC 12 should have seen this coming and have been aggressively courting Texas and Oklahoma long before the SEC came for them.
They did. In the 2010–2012 realignment cycle, the Pac-10 tried to become the Pac-16 by adding Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Colorado. Colorado joined. Texas balked. There were multiple reports at the time that a major reason was that Texas wanted to establish its own TV network—which it did in 2011 when the Longhorn Network debuted—and that the Pac-## would not allow that but the Big 12 would. After Texas declined to move, the other Big 12 schools (except Colorado) decided to stay put as well.
It's interesting that later Texas did shut down the Longhorn Network as part of the move to the SEC, but I guess that just underscores the difference between the SEC's market presence and the Pac-10's.
Should have given Texas whatever they wanted.
There was no way the big dogs of the Pac-12 were going to go with that. Which is also why the SEC insisted that the LHN get shut down as part of their merger into that conference. Once you start acting like one school is better or more important than the others, that's when things fall apart.
The Big 12 is only still around because the Pac-12 got greedy, but that's the reason Nebraska and Colorado left.
Texas was more important than the others. No shame in admitting that.
The difference with the SEC is that Texas needed them just as much as they needed Texas. There was no leverage there.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on July 16, 2025, 12:13:48 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on July 16, 2025, 12:10:02 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on July 16, 2025, 11:37:51 AMQuote from: 1995hoo on July 16, 2025, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on July 16, 2025, 10:45:56 AM....
The PAC 12 should have seen this coming and have been aggressively courting Texas and Oklahoma long before the SEC came for them.
They did. In the 2010–2012 realignment cycle, the Pac-10 tried to become the Pac-16 by adding Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Colorado. Colorado joined. Texas balked. There were multiple reports at the time that a major reason was that Texas wanted to establish its own TV network—which it did in 2011 when the Longhorn Network debuted—and that the Pac-## would not allow that but the Big 12 would. After Texas declined to move, the other Big 12 schools (except Colorado) decided to stay put as well.
It's interesting that later Texas did shut down the Longhorn Network as part of the move to the SEC, but I guess that just underscores the difference between the SEC's market presence and the Pac-10's.
Should have given Texas whatever they wanted.
There was no way the big dogs of the Pac-12 were going to go with that. Which is also why the SEC insisted that the LHN get shut down as part of their merger into that conference. Once you start acting like one school is better or more important than the others, that's when things fall apart.
The Big 12 is only still around because the Pac-12 got greedy, but that's the reason Nebraska and Colorado left.
Texas was more important than the others. No shame in admitting that.
The difference with the SEC is that Texas needed them just as much as they needed Texas. There was no leverage there.
You're making my point. Texas needed them because they ran out of options due to insisting on the Longhorn Network.
The powers of the P12 are in a better place now in the B10 then they would have been in an inequal marriage with Texas in the P12. They're not as important as you think they are.