PA 446 ends at NY 305 at the state line near Eldred, PA and NY 446 ends at NY 305 in Cuba, NY about 16 miles apart. Are there other state routes that serve as an endpoint for two different state routes with the same number? I realize most of these would most likely involve a state line ending but if so, are there any closer than the 16 miles between PA 446 and NY 446 on NY 305?
Depends if you consider the western OK 15 and the eastern OK 15 "two different routes with the same number". When US 412 was commissioned it took over a big chunk of OK 15, so now there are two different OK 15s, both of which end at US 412. But then US 412 isn't a state route...
There are three OK 9As that end at OK 9, but that's probably not the sort of thing you're looking for.
US 9 and DE 9 both end at US 13 on opposite ends of Delaware.
This happens all over Arkansas. For example, two of AR 74's many segments end at US 71. AHTD's braindead policy of discontinuous routes makes this inevitable.
Both I-82 and OR 82 end on US 30 in Oregon.
But we're drifting off your original situation a bunch by including non-state routes. Your example is pretty unusual, and I can't think of any other state route examples.
I guess the closest but not quite on point example I can think of is the US-89/WYO 89 situation.
US-89 enters Idaho and comes to a junction with Idaho 61. Idaho 61 turns into Wyoming 89 about half a mile later, so Idaho 61 begins at WYO 89 and ends at US-89.
Quote from: bugo on August 06, 2010, 03:12:29 PM
This happens all over Arkansas. For example, two of AR 74's many segments end at US 71. AHTD's braindead policy of discontinuous routes makes this inevitable.
The 2 AR 74's are less than 5 miles apart.
There's also AR 282 near Mountainburg
Not quite the same, but kind of odd: CA-138 terminates at CA-18 around the Big Bear Lake area, yet CA-18 terminates at CA-138 near Victorville. Not really unusual, but what is unusual is that CA-18 is shaped like a question mark so it doesn't really have a clearly defined orientation, and it can basically work as nothing more than a glorified loop of CA-138.
NY 421 starts at NY 30 just south of Tupper Lake (the middle of nowhere) and ends after just under six miles at a dead-end in the middle of nowhere!
AR 170 starts at US 62 in Farmington and ends at US 62 in Prairie Grove
Another section of AR 170 begins in West Fork, then changes to AR 74, which ends in Winslow, without changing roads.
NY 14's northern terminus is a cul-de-sac! http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=&ll=43.267081,-76.973423&spn=0.004148,0.006899&z=17
Is this just a generic "termini oddities" page? If so, I should bring up the Y-shaped OK 63A and OK-77S, which has no less than four termini (two on the "main loop", then two spurs connecting with other highways).
interstate 710 has six termini - it splits into three at its south terminus at the cruise ship dock, and then it ends at 210/134 in Pasadena. In between there are two termini at Valley Boulevard and a few blocks south of 210.
Based on signage, the state route segment of Route 110 has a terminus at I-10.
That is, if you're starting northbound.
If you're going southbound, state Route 110 becomes I-110 at the Four-Level Interchange with US 101, a full 2-3 miles north of I-10!
Up until 1963, CT 145 (http://www.kurumi.com/roads/ct/ct145.html) had a 3-way intersection with itself in Westbrook, Conn. I'd love to see how that was signed.
VA 35 ends at two secondary roads just northwest of I-95 instead of ending at US 301 or at I-95 itself
There are a number of routes along Maine's many peninsulas that end abruptly. ME 216 ends at a series of dirt roads just south of Head Beach in Phippsburg.
With the decommissioning of part of FL 371 in downtown Tallahassee, both of FL 363's termini do not touch any state routes; the south terminus dead ends in St. Marks and the north terminus splits into three legs (a one-way-pair, and a spur route consisting of the old alignment).
CA State Route 211 simply ends five miles south of US-101 because it was intended to be a northern extension of CA-1 which was never built, leaving a glorified stub route behind.
Quote from: Quillz on September 02, 2010, 03:05:29 PM
CA State Route 211 simply ends five miles south of US-101 because it was intended to be a northern extension of CA-1 which was never built, leaving a glorified stub route behind.
In similar vein...
Route 59 peters out in Snelling and becomes County Route J59
Route 270 stops at the edge of the Bodie ghost town, amongst several other connectors to parks/monuments (i.e. Route 153)
The legislative definition of Route 160 now includes a gap between the American River and...the "south city limits of Sacramento," even though those city limits are just 1/4 mile from Interstate 5, which (along with Richards Boulevard north of downtown) would make a good replacement connection for both halves of the route!!!!
VA 5 ends on a useless multiplex with US 60 at 25th Street in Richmond, instead of just ending at US 60 three blocks earlier.
On PA 42's north end, the highway comes up from Bloomsburg and Millville to intersect US 220 south of Muncy Valley. It then multiplexes with US 220 for about a mile or so then splits off to go through Eagles Mere, PA before returning to US 220 to end at it in Laporte.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Eagles+Mere,+PA&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=46.543597,51.767578&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Eagles+Mere,+Sullivan,+Pennsylvania&ll=41.386855,-76.540375&spn=0.173353,0.202217&z=12
TN SSR 246 has both of it's endpoints at US 31. The north end is in Franklin, TN at 7th Ave S and Columbia Ave. (The Google map below is slightly wrong as the stretch of W Main St between 5th Ave N/S and 7th Ave N/S is one way westbound. Thus, 246 makes a turn to/from 7th Ave S to end at US 31. Therefore, it just misses meeting US 431 and TN 96 by two blocks.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Spring+Hill,+TN&sll=41.386855,-76.540375&sspn=0.173353,0.202217&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Spring+Hill,+Maury,+Tennessee&ll=35.920943,-86.873896&spn=0.011695,0.012639&z=16
The south end of 246 is at US 31 north of Columbia, TN.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Spring+Hill,+TN&sll=41.386855,-76.540375&sspn=0.173353,0.202217&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Spring+Hill,+Maury,+Tennessee&ll=35.671156,-87.004573&spn=0.011732,0.012639&z=16
Does anybody remember my lists of State Route extensions that should exist?
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2581.msg57328#msg57328
Those oddities are the reason for my extension ideas.
AZ99 Ends 20mi (32.2km) south of Winslow In the middle of Nowhere
The road continues south a a no name/number county road to the National Forest boundary
then as a forest road to Rim Road (FH300) Near Woods Canyon Lake.
Quote from: kurumi on September 02, 2010, 10:13:27 AM
Up until 1963, CT 145 (http://www.kurumi.com/roads/ct/ct145.html) had a 3-way intersection with itself in Westbrook, Conn. I'd love to see how that was signed.
Norway route 820 is like that.
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here, all three branches are signed "to 820" (the dashed outline implies a trailblazer) - but all three routes
are 820. The road loops around a peninsula and ends at a T-intersection with itself.
OR 351 ends at a cul-de-sac in Lake Wallowa State Park.
NJ 90 ends at a unsigned freeway that should have been PA90, but due to community opposition the freeway was never built beyond the western approach for the betsy ross bridge. The freeway also ends at a ghost ramp for the proposed freeway in PA, and until 1997 (Bridge opened in 1976) there was no direct link between it and interstate 95.
Arkansas once had 3 AR 180's.
The oddest one terminated at its origin:
It began at AR 45 in Fayetteville, went up to Mount Sequoyah, circled around the United Methodist Assembly, then came back down to AR 45.
Most people drive it anti-clockwise, but either way is acceptable ;)
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=N+Mission+Blvd&daddr=36.0699078,-94.1468305+to:S+Skyline+Dr+to:E+Skyline+Dr+to:N+Skyline+Dr&hl=en&geocode=FdlqJgIdWWRj-g%3BFRNiJgId8m5j-int2QXALWnJhzGI6MFDndELkA%3BFZpHJgIdc29j-g%3BFbNRJgId63tj-g%3BFYpRJgIdxXJj-g&gl=us&mra=dme&mrcr=2&mrsp=4&sz=17&via=1&sll=36.064972,-94.145483&sspn=0.005178,0.008229&ie=UTF8&ll=36.068354,-94.150407&spn=0.010355,0.024633&z=16
Many routes in Canada – mostly northern routes – end in a cul-de-sac. Just think of all those 500- and 800-series routes in Ontario. And QC-138, which suddenly ends in the middle of nowhere a little after Natashquan.
Also, QC-132 ends in a 3-way intersection with itself after looping around the Gaspésie peninsula. I assume its cardinal direction suddenly switches around Gaspé...
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No, switches at Percé.
There are a few routes in California that actually extend further than their "End" signs might indicate. CA-203, for example, seemingly ends about a mile before Mammoth Mountain, yet I believe it actually extends all the way into the parking lot to connect to a road that goes to the Devil's Postpile. Then there is CA-198, which maps show running along the Generals' Highway in the Sequoias, yet the "End" sign is about a mile before the park entrance. (CA-198 and CA-180 meet around Kings Canyon.)
I think it comes from California's awkward method of terminating routes based on legislative boundaries rather than actual junctions.
Kentucky has a route that loops around a bend in the Ohio River and ends at itself. Can't remember the number offhand and I've never driven it, but I'd like to sometime just to see how it's signed.
Similar to the original post IL 114 ends at the IL/IN state line and about 13 miles south IN 114 use to end at the IL/IN state line at a Iroquois County Highway, but now ispulled back to end at U.S. 41
Loop SR 100 in Washington also ends at itself-it's not really a loop in a traditional sense, there's a 360 degree "loop" but then a connector road to US-101 (not to be confused with SR 100 Spur, which branches off 100 Loop to go to a Coast Guard facility)
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NJ 324 is a fun one. It starts at a dead end on the shore of the Delaware River and ends in a cul-de-sac, is partially closed and unmaintained, and doesn't intersect anything with a number.
Basically, before the Commodore Barry Bridge was built, it was an alignment of US 322 that went to the Bridgeport-Chester ferry. After the ferry was discontinued and US 322 realigned, they basically just slapped a new number over the old road and didn't do much else.
In Ohio, state routes 64 and 105 end at each other on the I-75 overpass in Bowling Green.
State routes 7 and 531 end at each other in Conneaut.
Quote from: tigerwings on September 25, 2020, 06:19:13 PM
In Ohio, state routes 64 and 105 end at each other on the I-75 overpass in Bowling Green.
I've seen plenty of these, but the strangest might be WV-152 ending at WV-527 on the I-64 overpass in Huntington, West Virginia.
In 1977, US-52 was relocated along an upgraded and relocated routing of old WV-75 along the Big Sandy River (now known as the Tolsia Highway) to Kenova, and multiplexed to the Fifth Street Road exit for US-52. In that move, WV-152 (old US-52 from an earlier relocation) was multiplexed over WV-37 between Echo and Wayne and extended all the way to Huntington. Then in 1979, US-52 was relocated to the West Huntington Bridge and the multiplex was shortened. Ohio already had an OH-152, so the old route over the ancient and now-replaced Sixth Street Bridge was numbered WV-527 and OH-527 (presumably numbered for connecting old US-52 with OH-7). With limited monies for signage, the DOH opted not to resign the southern section and thus a mismatch at the I-64 interchange.
WI-23, WI-28, and WI-42 all end at each other in Sheboygan.
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 02, 2010, 01:14:07 AM
Is this just a generic "termini oddities" page? If so, I should bring up the Y-shaped OK 63A and OK-77S, which has no less than four termini (two on the "main loop", then two spurs connecting with other highways).
Don't forget the suffixed OK 251 series of access roads at Fort Gibson Lake. OK 251D had 4 termini, while OK 251E had 3 ends. OK 251A is the only remaining member of the 251 series, and it only has two ends. OK 251B and 251C had two termini as well. There has never been an OK 251 that I am aware of.
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Quote from: hbelkins on November 09, 2010, 08:43:59 AM
Kentucky has a route that loops around a bend in the Ohio River and ends at itself. Can't remember the number offhand and I've never driven it, but I'd like to sometime just to see how it's signed.
Kentucky also has KY 620 in Scott County that is a spiral. The road crosses/meets US 25 three (four if you count the brief overlap) times. One end point is between the other two intersections.
Quote from: CardInLex on September 27, 2020, 09:26:17 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 09, 2010, 08:43:59 AM
Kentucky has a route that loops around a bend in the Ohio River and ends at itself. Can't remember the number offhand and I've never driven it, but I'd like to sometime just to see how it's signed.
Kentucky also has KY 620 in Scott County that is a spiral. The road crosses/meets US 25 three (four if you count the brief overlap) times. One end point is between the other two intersections.
The westernmost 25 or so miles of KY 32 almost exactly parallels KY 620
Despite being 96 miles long, the endpoints of M-123 are only about 53 miles apart.
Quote from: GaryV on September 28, 2020, 12:19:00 PM
Despite being 96 miles long, the endpoints of M-123 are only about 53 miles apart.
That's why I push for the eastern leg to become and extension of US-31.
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on September 28, 2020, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: GaryV on September 28, 2020, 12:19:00 PM
Despite being 96 miles long, the endpoints of M-123 are only about 53 miles apart.
That's why I push for the eastern leg to become and extension of US-31.
The western leg should have been numbered M-117.
There are multiple segments of AR-60, AR-215, AR-217, and AR-41 in Arkansas as well. There are countless that I'm sure others could add, but those are the ones near where I grew up.
How about M-185? Can you name any other state highway who beginning and end point is in the same spot?
Quote from: cwf1701 on September 29, 2020, 07:32:23 PM
How about M-185? Can you name any other state highway who beginning and end point is in the same spot?
KY 4.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 30, 2020, 10:57:25 AM
Quote from: cwf1701 on September 29, 2020, 07:32:23 PM
How about M-185? Can you name any other state highway who beginning and end point is in the same spot?
KY 4.
AL 210
FL 9A (Jacksonville)
GA 407
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 06, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
Depends if you consider the western OK 15 and the eastern OK 15 "two different routes with the same number". When US 412 was commissioned it took over a big chunk of OK 15, so now there are two different OK 15s, both of which end at US 412. But then US 412 isn't a state route...
There are three OK 9As that end at OK 9, but that's probably not the sort of thing you're looking for.
That's honestly no different than what Indiana does. Like for example they have three segments of SR-4. Although I don't think they ever connected to each other like OK-15 did.
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on September 28, 2020, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: GaryV on September 28, 2020, 12:19:00 PM
Despite being 96 miles long, the endpoints of M-123 are only about 53 miles apart.
That's why I push for the eastern leg to become and extension of US-31.
I don't see why it would get an extension of US-31. If anything it'd just be given a new state highway number.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 09, 2010, 08:43:59 AM
Kentucky has a route that loops around a bend in the Ohio River and ends at itself. Can't remember the number offhand and I've never driven it, but I'd like to sometime just to see how it's signed.
Is it 1047? All that highway looks like it does is splits off and goes around a loop that ends where it started.
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 01, 2020, 10:10:00 AM
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on September 28, 2020, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: GaryV on September 28, 2020, 12:19:00 PM
Despite being 96 miles long, the endpoints of M-123 are only about 53 miles apart.
That's why I push for the eastern leg to become and extension of US-31.
I don't see why it would get an extension of US-31. If anything it'd just be given a new state highway number.
Why not? US highways ending in 1 should be border to border anyways.
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 01, 2020, 09:52:45 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 06, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
Depends if you consider the western OK 15 and the eastern OK 15 "two different routes with the same number". When US 412 was commissioned it took over a big chunk of OK 15, so now there are two different OK 15s, both of which end at US 412. But then US 412 isn't a state route...
There are three OK 9As that end at OK 9, but that's probably not the sort of thing you're looking for.
That's honestly no different than what Indiana does. Like for example they have three segments of SR-4. Although I don't think they ever connected to each other like OK-15 did.
Indiana considers them to be three segments of the same highway, and the mileage markers reflect that. Some highways, like IN 22, used to connect but none of the segments of IN 4 ever did.
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 01, 2020, 01:49:04 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 01, 2020, 09:52:45 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 06, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
Depends if you consider the western OK 15 and the eastern OK 15 "two different routes with the same number". When US 412 was commissioned it took over a big chunk of OK 15, so now there are two different OK 15s, both of which end at US 412. But then US 412 isn't a state route...
There are three OK 9As that end at OK 9, but that's probably not the sort of thing you're looking for.
That's honestly no different than what Indiana does. Like for example they have three segments of SR-4. Although I don't think they ever connected to each other like OK-15 did.
Indiana considers them to be three segments of the same highway, and the mileage markers reflect that. Some highways, like IN 22, used to connect but none of the segments of IN 4 ever did.
I never really pay much attention to it because of GPS systems and such but IN-22 through Kokomo and IN-25 through Lafayette and those types of things I remember them switching it all to local control about 5-6 years ago.
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on October 01, 2020, 01:43:20 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 01, 2020, 10:10:00 AM
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on September 28, 2020, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: GaryV on September 28, 2020, 12:19:00 PM
Despite being 96 miles long, the endpoints of M-123 are only about 53 miles apart.
That's why I push for the eastern leg to become and extension of US-31.
I don't see why it would get an extension of US-31. If anything it'd just be given a new state highway number.
Why not? US highways ending in 1 should be border to border anyways.
Kind of pointless. You'd have to US-31 on the Mackinac Bridge with I-75 and then switch a bunch of route signs around for not that much gain.
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on October 01, 2020, 01:43:20 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 01, 2020, 10:10:00 AM
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on September 28, 2020, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: GaryV on September 28, 2020, 12:19:00 PM
Despite being 96 miles long, the endpoints of M-123 are only about 53 miles apart.
That's why I push for the eastern leg to become and extension of US-31.
I don't see why it would get an extension of US-31. If anything it'd just be given a new state highway number.
Why not? US highways ending in 1 should be border to border anyways.
Paradise is hardly the border.
Quote from: GaryV on October 01, 2020, 04:04:27 PM
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on October 01, 2020, 01:43:20 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 01, 2020, 10:10:00 AM
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on September 28, 2020, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: GaryV on September 28, 2020, 12:19:00 PM
Despite being 96 miles long, the endpoints of M-123 are only about 53 miles apart.
That's why I push for the eastern leg to become and extension of US-31.
I don't see why it would get an extension of US-31. If anything it'd just be given a new state highway number.
Why not? US highways ending in 1 should be border to border anyways.
Paradise is hardly the border.
Right. They'd have to make it like US-41 and go up to Whitefish Point and end in a cul-de-sac.
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 01, 2020, 02:24:55 PM
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on October 01, 2020, 01:43:20 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 01, 2020, 10:10:00 AM
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on September 28, 2020, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: GaryV on September 28, 2020, 12:19:00 PM
Despite being 96 miles long, the endpoints of M-123 are only about 53 miles apart.
That's why I push for the eastern leg to become and extension of US-31.
I don't see why it would get an extension of US-31. If anything it'd just be given a new state highway number.
Why not? US highways ending in 1 should be border to border anyways.
Kind of pointless. You'd have to US-31 on the Mackinac Bridge with I-75 and then switch a bunch of route signs around for not that much gain.
Cascade posts are fun... but back to topic. It could always be an "unsigned" continuation over the Mac and up 75 to Canada.
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Are there other US-n1's that don't or didn't have border-to-border coverage? Sure!!
US 101 on the north end terminated at US 99 and I-5 today.
US 91 on the south end terminated in the LA Metro at former US 101A.
and so on....
^ It's probably easier to count the US-x1's that DO go all the way to Canada.
WI-24 VA-108 and MI-152 all end at a county line. The first 2 once did have normal end points the 3rd one always ended there. IL-178 becomes a local road just after the entrance for Mattison State Park.
Quote from: cu2010 on September 01, 2010, 11:03:39 PM
NY 421 starts at NY 30 just south of Tupper Lake (the middle of nowhere) and ends after just under six miles at a dead-end in the middle of nowhere!
Remember, friends: If you ever feel useless, just remember that NY-421 exists! :-D :spin: :biggrin: :) :sombrero: :meh: :awesomeface:
Quote from: WNYroadgeek on September 02, 2010, 12:27:59 AM
NY 14's northern terminus is a cul-de-sac! http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=&ll=43.267081,-76.973423&spn=0.004148,0.006899&z=17
NY 14's northern terminus is a shrunken version of NY 27's eastern terminus!
Quote from: dvferyance on October 01, 2020, 08:36:55 PM
WI-24 VA-108 and MI-152 all end at a county line. The first 2 once did have normal end points the 3rd one always ended there. IL-178 becomes a local road just after the entrance for Mattison State Park.
VA 162 also ends at a county line, sort of (it's an independent city line).
Last year ALDOT rerouted AL-149 at its south terminus to end along Lakeshore Drive just off I-65. It just ends at the unmarked Homewood/Birmingham city limits which is at a random point along the road.
Blurry pic I took:
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CA 203 isn't too odd considering that is direct access to Devil's Post Pile National Monument and was at least studied as a Trans-Sierra Highway. Similarly CA 190, CA 180, and CA 168 were all envisioned as Trans-Sierra Highways at one point or another. CA 59 ending in Snelling makes sense considering lines up with the planned route of CA 65. CA 68 does have an odd west terminus at the Alisomar Convention Center, but it is a state facility. CA 3 ending in Montague seems like an unnatural terminus but it essentially does provide a state connection to Yreka. CA 191 ends at a major community in Paradise. CA 169 is still on the books as a planned route along the Klamath River. CA 211 was planned as the northern segment of CA 1 in the Lost Coast. That's just a sampling of some of the more notable highways north of Bakersfield.
Quote from: sturmde on October 01, 2020, 04:41:31 PM
Are there other US-n1's that don't or didn't have border-to-border coverage? Sure!!
US 101 on the north end terminated at US 99 and I-5 today.
US 101 does at least pass a few blocks from an auto ferry to Victoria, BC, fulfilling its border obligations.
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on October 01, 2020, 01:43:20 PM
Why not? US highways ending in 1 should be border to border anyways.
Quote from: sturmde on October 01, 2020, 04:41:31 PM
Are there other US-n1's that don't or didn't have border-to-border coverage? Sure!!
US 101 on the north end terminated at US 99 and I-5 today.
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on October 01, 2020, 11:24:35 PMUS 101 does at least pass a few blocks from an auto ferry to Victoria, BC, fulfilling its border obligations.
US-21 went to Cleveland, which is as close to the border as you can get in Ohio. But the south end at Beaufort, South Carolina is not a southern border town in any sense (as compared to Key West or say Spanish Fort, Alabama).
Quote from: dvferyance on October 01, 2020, 08:36:55 PM
WI-24 VA-108 and MI-152 all end at a county line. The first 2 once did have normal end points the 3rd one always ended there. IL-178 becomes a local road just after the entrance for Mattison State Park.
M-152 should either be transferred to local control or extended to at least M-140. The road it ends on at the county line is Napier Avenue which further west carries US-31 between the St. Joseph Parkway and I-94.
Texas State Highway 165...
How the hell would you even calculate the length of that? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Highway_165#/map/0)
Might've I-465 been a CT-145 situation before the designation of I-865?
US-81 and especially US-91 no longer go border to border so why should there be an extension of US-31 just to make it go further north for little reason? Paradise isn't even the border.
Quote from: Takumi on October 01, 2020, 10:36:08 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on October 01, 2020, 08:36:55 PM
WI-24 VA-108 and MI-152 all end at a county line. The first 2 once did have normal end points the 3rd one always ended there. IL-178 becomes a local road just after the entrance for Mattison State Park.
VA 162 also ends at a county line, sort of (it's an independent city line).
Also, VA 142 ends at what used to be an independent city line, but is now basically the middle of nowhere in southwestern Petersburg.
Guys, I think I found the craziest example of it. Not a state-level highway, but a national-level highway. And an expressway, no less!
In China, G92 is such a next-level example of this.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Zhejiang_G92_Map.svg/290px-Zhejiang_G92_Map.svg.png)
It is in the shape of a lasso, forming a loop around the Hangzhou Bay with an northerly extension to Shanghai. (The northerly extension is not signed; check it out on Baidu or QQ's street view software. I can also verify because I have been there.) It provides access to the cities of Hangzhou, Shaoxing, Ningbo, and Jiaxing. All of its length (IIRC) is multiplexed with other national expressways. On top of it all, it ends at the Shanghai border.
Like, that would be like designating the Hampton Roads beltway as, I don't know, I-36, and then extending it along I-64 to the Newport News-Williamsburg border.
Quote from: dvferyance on October 01, 2020, 08:36:55 PM
WI-24 VA-108 and MI-152 all end at a county line. The first 2 once did have normal end points the 3rd one always ended there. IL-178 becomes a local road just after the entrance for Mattison State Park.
VA 108 ends 1.1 miles short of the county line.
Virginia Routes that end at a municipal boundary (there used to be a ton of these).
VA 68 - Lee/Wise Line
VA 99 - NCL Pulaski
VA 136 - WCL Alberta
VA 162 - ECL Williamsburg (from outside)
VA 181 - NCL Belle Haven
VA 188 - NCL Clifton Forge
VA 213 - Manassas/Manassas Park Line
VA 227 - WCL Urbanna
VA 294 - technically a 2-piece route with endpoints at Manassas line
VA 407 - Chesapeake/Va Beach Line
VA 171, VA 253 and VA 280 are posted as if they end at CL of an independent city but they all do exist inside the city.
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on October 02, 2020, 08:24:17 AM
Texas State Highway 165...
How the hell would you even calculate the length of that? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Highway_165#/map/0)
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Quote from: TheGrassGuy on October 02, 2020, 10:08:29 AM
Guys, I think I found the craziest example of it. Not a state-level highway, but a national-level highway. And an expressway, no less!
In China, G92 is such a next-level example of this.
It is in the shape of a lasso, forming a loop around the Hangzhou Bay with an northerly extension to Shanghai. (The northerly extension is not signed; check it out on Baidu or QQ's street view software. I can also verify because I have been there.) It provides access to the cities of Hangzhou, Shaoxing, Ningbo, and Jiaxing. All of its length (IIRC) is multiplexed with other national expressways. On top of it all, it ends at the Shanghai border.
Like, that would be like designating the Hampton Roads beltway as, I don't know, I-36, and then extending it along I-64 to the Newport News-Williamsburg border.
Most of it is independent of other routes. Hangzhou-Ningbo is solely G92, and so does the section from the Northern end of the Hangzhou Bay Bridge to Hangzhou. And I believe G92 extends all the way to that 5 expressway interchange in Minhang, Shanghai (albeit unsigned as you said).
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on October 02, 2020, 08:24:17 AM
Texas State Highway 165...
How the hell would you even calculate the length of that? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Highway_165#/map/0)
Just...add up the length of the segments? Utah has several routes like that serving various state institutions, colleges, driver’s test courses, and the like. Most of them aren’t signed, but SR 282 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_State_Route_282) is one of the few that is.
Quote from: US 89 on October 09, 2020, 08:09:03 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on October 02, 2020, 08:24:17 AM
Texas State Highway 165...
How the hell would you even calculate the length of that? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Highway_165#/map/0)
Just...add up the length of the segments?
Yep.
For fun, I did exactly that with the Google Maps measuring tool. My total was only 25 feet short of
the TxDOT certified mileage (http://www.dot.state.tx.us/tpp/hwy/sh/sh0165.htm)–which is probably just due to slight discrepancies with each endpoint (I erred on the side of caution when measuring).
Quote from: US 89 on October 09, 2020, 08:09:03 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on October 02, 2020, 08:24:17 AM
Texas State Highway 165...
How the hell would you even calculate the length of that? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Highway_165#/map/0)
Just...add up the length of the segments? Utah has several routes like that serving various state institutions, colleges, driver's test courses, and the like. Most of them aren't signed, but SR 282 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_State_Route_282) is one of the few that is.
Virginia does the same thing. SH 165 reminds me a lot of VA 318, which until recently was completely isolated from the Virginia state highway system when it only consisted of roads within the State Capitol complex.
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on October 02, 2020, 08:43:53 AM
Might've I-465 been a CT-145 situation before the designation of I-865?
That is a weird one... originally, I-465 began CW at I-74 NW of Indy, wrapped around and then ended CCW at I-74 NW of Indy, but closer in... and the rest was only signed
IN 100, the original state route designation for the Indianapolis loop system (not all freeway, of course). That made totally no sense, which is why at least the complete circle of Indy became I-465. What didn't make sense when they extended 465 north, essentially ending at E-W 465... was that they kept it all 465 then. The 865 solution was a great one. Reduces confusion. Glad to see Iowa do the same with I-880 being added, and I-680 ending at I-29 now. Having been through there during flooding season... it makes it a lot easier to say "880 open to 29" as opposed to "680 open to 29" which didn't include the fact, that 680 and 29 were flooded southbound from the intersection....
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BTW, St. Louis with 270/244/255 was certainly another way of signing a loop that didn't make a circular route, and same with 494/94/694 in the Twin Cities.