Generally I usually reply in K12 posts in a sarcastic tone given I get some amusement from them. That said are we not reaching the point where his "ideas" have morphed into something akin to P13 or MMM? Maybe it is time to start merging some of this stuff into a so-called "K12 in one thread?"
I put together a recent tally of some of the weirder stuff K12 has been posting. There is a huge emphasis on fictional AI car ideas that he seems to have spread into multiple threads:
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2024, 11:53:56 AMQuote from: kernals12 on November 30, 2024, 11:24:30 AMQuote from: SectorZ on November 29, 2024, 07:18:53 PMQuote from: kernals12 on November 29, 2024, 07:04:12 PMRemember when I suggested there were benefits to easily moveable buildings and you mocked me?
Sorry you don't understand that most people don't want to live in cargo containers. Choosing to not live in flood zones is a smarter move.
You have a weird definition of "cargo container".
Are you not the one who is pushing for modular homes that resemble boxy shapes? Does Conex box or trailer work better for you?
I think we need a master list of recent weird K12 ideas. Someone please let me know if I'm forgetting something.
- 150 MPH AI cars.
- Narrower AI car lanes.
- 8,000 vehicles per hour AI car lanes.
- Setting aside certain radio frequencies for AI cars
- Maglev highways
- Conex box homes.
- The lost potential or ground effects vehicles.
- Urban high speed automated walkways.
Recent K12 replies seem to suggest a level of trollish intent. Some examples would be claiming the city of Phoenix is engaging in Orwellian government conspiracy and responding to several forum members with "remember when you mocked me?" The Phoenix example had what I took as possible racially motivated undertones (although it wasn't overtly stated).
Once again I appreciate you letting me live in your head rent free. And there's tons of empty space in here with your lack of any sort of imagination.
"The Phoenix example had what I took as possible racially motivated undertones (although it wasn't overtly stated)."
If you're going to start lobbing unfounded accusations at me, then maybe I should start reading some sort of bigotry into your bullying of a guy with Aspergers.
I don't think kernals12 is quite to the level of FritzOwl, MultiMillionMiler, or Poiponen13. The threads he creates might be ideas that don't work, but they feel like "this is a long shot proposal", not "there's absolutely no way this is happening" or "why did you make another thread where we name our favorite fictional sport". Compare 150 mph cars (kernals12) to 1000 mph cars (MMM).
Quote from: kernals12 on November 30, 2024, 04:01:48 PMOnce again I appreciate you letting me live in your head rent free. And there's tons of empty space in here with your lack of any sort of imagination.
Yeah...did you really think I was going to let that insinuation about native Americans in the Phoenix thread slide? My oldest niece who I was the legal guardian of is part Mono. I had a feeling that I was onto something with the actual motivations with all this anti-mass transit stuff. Looks as though I was on the right track.
Many here actually contribute something to the road hobby. Your pseudo science has little or nothing to do with road fandom at all. You haven't done anything in this community to endear yourself to anyone or earn the slightest bit of respect. Why are you even here when it is plainly obvious how disliked you are?
Seriously though, this kid is a problem. He's been kicked off Reddit for being a troll already. Do we really need another on this forum?
Quote from: hotdogPi on November 30, 2024, 04:07:53 PMI don't think kernals12 is quite to the level of FritzOwl, MultiMillionMiler, or Poiponen13. The threads he creates might be ideas that don't work, but they feel like "this is a long shot proposal", not "there's absolutely no way this is happening" or "why did you make another thread where we name our favorite fictional sport". Compare 150 mph cars (kernals12) to 1000 mph cars (MMM).
I was kinda with that line of thought until he compared Phoenix to the book 1984. The reason he did that was because of how the city opted to remove a now offensive word from an AZ 51 planning document. It more or less just confirmed what I suspected K12 was actually about for a long time.
But I'm going to disagree on this AI car stuff. None of it is appreciably better than some of the things MMM was coming up. It would be one thing if it was one thread, but it ain't.
Quote from: kernals12 on November 30, 2024, 04:01:48 PMOnce again I appreciate you letting me live in your head rent free. And there's tons of empty space in here with your lack of any sort of imagination.
"The Phoenix example had what I took as possible racially motivated undertones (although it wasn't overtly stated)."
If you're going to start lobbing unfounded accusations at me, then maybe I should start reading some sort of bigotry into your bullying of a guy with Aspergers.
Yeah whatever. You ran with saying something pretty fucking ugly and are getting called out on it. Do you really think that I'm afraid of you reporting me if I'm calling you out publicly?
I'm willing to take the points or whatever consequence comes of this. You don't breach lines like that and don't expect come out the other side unchallenged.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2024, 04:18:52 PMMany here actually contribute something to the road hobby. Your pseudo science has little or nothing to do with road fandom at all. You haven't done anything in this community to endear yourself to anyone or earn the slightest bit of respect. Why are you even here when it is plainly obvious how disliked you are?
How are my speculations about driverless cars not part of road fandom?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2024, 04:21:14 PMQuote from: hotdogPi on November 30, 2024, 04:07:53 PMI don't think kernals12 is quite to the level of FritzOwl, MultiMillionMiler, or Poiponen13. The threads he creates might be ideas that don't work, but they feel like "this is a long shot proposal", not "there's absolutely no way this is happening" or "why did you make another thread where we name our favorite fictional sport". Compare 150 mph cars (kernals12) to 1000 mph cars (MMM).
I was kinda with that line of thought until he compared Phoenix to the book 1984. The reason he did that was because of how the city opted to remove a now offensive word from an AZ 51 planning document. It more or less just confirmed what I suspected K12 was actually about for a long time.
But I'm going to disagree on this AI car stuff. None of it is appreciably better than some of the things MMM was coming up. It would be one thing if it was one thread, but it ain't.
I am simply opposed to altering historical records, is that a problem?
I don't see what making a bigoted remark (which shouldn't have been done) has anything to do with "everything of this user should be combined into a single thread", as they are two unrelated issues. I don't remember anyone trying to do this with Crash_It with either the "20 year age difference" incident or the incident that actually got him banned.
To kernals12: there are ways to point out the anachronistic revision in a different tone of voice.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2024, 04:18:52 PMSeriously though, this kid is a problem. He's been kicked off Reddit for being a troll already. Do we really need another on this forum?
I was not kicked off Reddit, I voluntarily left for the sake of my mental health.
You never stated that in thread. Do you not get how comparing that to 1984 reads? 1984 is a cautionary fiction about Totalitarian authority. What "you don't say overtly" can speak so much when you compare something to George Orwell's books.
Do you ever understand why someone like me might look at that and take issue? Hell, I even tried to lob up a reply to see if you would backtrack or something.
I might be a stranger to you, but I'm not a stranger to a lot of people in this community. You just don't fuck around when it comes to things like that. My niece's tribe has tried to get that "particular" word removed as a local place name for awhile.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2024, 04:46:31 PMYou never stated that in thread. Do you not get how comparing that to 1984 reads? 1984 is a cautionary fiction about Totalitarian authority. What "you don't say overtly" can speak so much when you compare something to George Orwell's books.
Do you ever understand why someone like me might look at that and take issue? Hell, I even tried to lob up a reply to see if you would backtrack or something.
When you start altering government documents to remove racist slurs, you open the door for all sorts of "revisions".
Quote from: kernals12 on November 30, 2024, 04:48:44 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2024, 04:46:31 PMYou never stated that in thread. Do you not get how comparing that to 1984 reads? 1984 is a cautionary fiction about Totalitarian authority. What "you don't say overtly" can speak so much when you compare something to George Orwell's books.
Do you ever understand why someone like me might look at that and take issue? Hell, I even tried to lob up a reply to see if you would backtrack or something.
When you start altering government documents to remove racist slurs, you open the door for all sorts of "revisions".
I'm not asking you to support changing documents. But comparing that Phoenix did to 1984 is just plain way the hell off the mark. I certainly got a problem with the comparison.
Quote from: hotdogPi on November 30, 2024, 04:41:10 PMI don't see what making a bigoted remark (which shouldn't have been done) has anything to do with "everything of this user should be combined into a single thread", as they are two unrelated issues. I don't remember anyone trying to do this with Crash_It with either the "20 year age difference" incident or the incident that actually got him banned.
To kernals12: there are ways to point out the anachronistic revision in a different tone of voice.
There isn't much a correlation. I was already ticked about the Phoenix deal but this thread wasn't initially about that.
What prompted to write this thread was the whole "remember when you mocked me" reply he lobbed at another poster today. That actually involved some of the weird fictional ideas. What I wrote about the Phoenix thread came afterwards via a post edit.
Phoenix stuff aside, trying to spin every conversation towards AI cars is getting pretty annoying.
Sorry, I don't keep up with all the drama in the lore going on in these threads. To make sure I understand this, right, the name of a mountain was changed due to it being a racial slur and somebody compare that to Orwell's 1984 insinuating, we're on track to go that route because of the name change?
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on November 30, 2024, 06:38:02 PMSorry, I don't keep up with all the drama in the lore going on in these threads. To make sure I understand this, right, the name of a mountain was changed due to it being a racial slur and somebody compare that to Orwell's 1984 insinuating, we're on track to go that route because of the name change?
The problem was they changed the name on a government document retroactively.
Quote from: kernals12 on November 30, 2024, 06:42:16 PMQuote from: Plutonic Panda on November 30, 2024, 06:38:02 PMSorry, I don't keep up with all the drama in the lore going on in these threads. To make sure I understand this, right, the name of a mountain was changed due to it being a racial slur and somebody compare that to Orwell's 1984 insinuating, we're on track to go that route because of the name change?
The problem was they changed the name on a government document retroactively.
I recall learning that a mountain is largely composed of non-sentient rock and doesn't actually care what we call it. Worrying further is a slippery-slope fallacy.
Now if anyone can call the mountain the name of their own choice, and get it to move and perhaps do some tricks, I'll be impressed...and honestly, very worried.
If I'm gonna be honest, I haven't interacted with K12 that much lately and I have no desire to. There's more important things than feeding a ridiculous user on here that only posts about how he hates public transit. That being said, K12 having his own thread is likely necessary, as it wouldn't be flooding the board with all his threads.
Comparing Phoenix to the likes of work such as Animal Farm and 1984 is certainly an opinion though.
Quote from: kernals12 on November 30, 2024, 06:42:16 PMQuote from: Plutonic Panda on November 30, 2024, 06:38:02 PMSorry, I don't keep up with all the drama in the lore going on in these threads. To make sure I understand this, right, the name of a mountain was changed due to it being a racial slur and somebody compare that to Orwell's 1984 insinuating, we're on track to go that route because of the name change?
The problem was they changed the name on a government document retroactively.
I guess I'm one of those assholes who could care less if a mountain is named as something racist or similar to the issues that they had with the McCarran airport name, I just don't give stuff like that much thought at all nor do I care. Maybe it does to some people, but I'm a straight white male and it makes no difference to me. I don't know if I would feel any different otherwise. With that being said, I'm not uncaring to other people's concerns but it makes me wonder if you even really know what Orwellian fiction is about. Have you even read the book?
Even though it's different animal farm has the same theme of a dictatorship being overthrown to be a democracy only to become a dictatorship again. I mean, the stuff isn't rocket science. I'm really failing to see where the Orwellian theme comes in due to a mountain's name being changed.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on November 30, 2024, 07:51:21 PMQuote from: kernals12 on November 30, 2024, 06:42:16 PMQuote from: Plutonic Panda on November 30, 2024, 06:38:02 PMSorry, I don't keep up with all the drama in the lore going on in these threads. To make sure I understand this, right, the name of a mountain was changed due to it being a racial slur and somebody compare that to Orwell's 1984 insinuating, we're on track to go that route because of the name change?
The problem was they changed the name on a government document retroactively.
I guess I'm one of those assholes who could care less if a mountain is named as something racist or similar to the issues that they had with the McCarran airport name, I just don't give stuff like that much thought at all nor do I care. Maybe it does to some people, but I'm a straight white male and it makes no difference to me. I don't know if I would feel any different otherwise. With that being said, I'm not uncaring to other people's concerns but it makes me wonder if you even really know what Orwellian fiction is about. Have you even read the book?
Even though it's different animal farm has the same theme of a dictatorship being overthrown to be a democracy only to become a dictatorship again. I mean, the stuff isn't rocket science. I'm really failing to see where the Orwellian theme comes in due to a mountain's name being changed.
They altered an official government document retroactively with the new name.
Quote from: PNWRoadgeek on November 30, 2024, 07:48:42 PMIf I'm gonna be honest, I haven't interacted with K12 that much lately and I have no desire to. There's more important things than feeding a ridiculous user on here that only posts about how he hates public transit. That being said, K12 having his own thread is likely necessary, as it wouldn't be flooding the board with all his threads.
Comparing Phoenix to the likes of work such as Animal Farm and 1984 is certainly an opinion though.
That is verifiably false. I've written on a wide variety of topics that have nothing to do with public transit.
Part of what is unfortunate is that you seem to be pretty good at digging up some interesting historical road related documents. Trouble is that they get buried in weird things like all this 1984 business. That and vast majority of what you post (especially lately) is this fictional tech stuff that seemingly nobody wants.
Yeah sure, my thoughts are clear on the 1984 stuff (which you seem to still not get). You don't seem to get how annoying and downright aggravating it is bombard long running threads with tech nonsense. That and your niche self centered personal philosophies on how you think urban development should have gone past tense is pretty unappealing.
While you've made it clear that you don't like my attitude towards you, what about you towards everyone? You've been nothing but a jerk towards almost everyone who disagreed with you since you started on this forum. Having some basic courtesy would've helped you a ton with credibility.
I guess there isn't anything in the rules against making stupid posts. He's annoying sometimes but nowhere near MMM/P13 level annoying yet. Though he gets real defensive of his dumb ideas. At least when I made dumb posts in high school I admitted they weren't very good ideas. Plus the hates public transit stuff rubs me the wrong way.
Quote from: hotdogPi on November 30, 2024, 04:07:53 PMI don't think kernals12 is quite to the level of FritzOwl, MultiMillionMiler, or Poiponen13. The threads he creates might be ideas that don't work, but they feel like "this is a long shot proposal", not "there's absolutely no way this is happening" or "why did you make another thread where we name our favorite fictional sport". Compare 150 mph cars (kernals12) to 1000 mph cars (MMM).
He'd probably get less hate if he presented them as "this is a long shot, but what if..." instead of "this will happen" and "I think this is needed". And if he wasn't as defensive about his ideas. And if he wasn't posting multiple threads about the same stuff that most of the forum isn't interested in.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2024, 08:45:21 PMPart of what is unfortunate is that you seem to be pretty good at digging up some interesting historical road related documents. Trouble is that they get buried in weird things like all this 1984 business. That and vast majority of what you post (especially lately) is this fictional tech stuff that seemingly nobody wants.
Yeah sure, my thoughts are clear on the 1984 stuff (which you seem to still not get). You don't seem to get how annoying and downright aggravating it is bombard long running threads with tech nonsense. That and your niche self centered personal philosophies on how you think urban development should have gone past tense is pretty unappealing.
While you've made it clear that you don't like my attitude towards you, what about you towards everyone? You've been nothing but a jerk towards almost everyone who disagreed with you since you started on this forum. Having some basic courtesy would've helped you a ton with credibility.
The fact that I'm starting to think this person is a troll is more to do with them not explaining how changing the name of a mountain whether it be retroactively or not is Orwellian. They just keep repeating the same thing over and over. What the fuck is Orwellian about it? At this point, I'm well aware they change the name retroactively. For the umpteen time how is that Orwellian?
And I'll also say this, him and me found some common ground on being pretty pro freeway. And I'm about the most pro freeway person that I personally know. Hell, sometimes I can even admit I go a little overboard. But I just can't get on board with somebody even who likes freeways as much as I do claim things like "I hate mass transit."
In the same way, I'll look at an anti car nut who wants to tear down all these urban freeways, I look at someone who doesn't see any benefit in mass transit in the same vein. It doesn't sound logical nor does it sound sincere. Well I suppose if you were brought up with a silver spoon in your mouth and you look down on those who use mass transit then I can at least understand that part.
But trying to argue that there are no benefits in mass transit? You've gotta be fucking kidding me.
Quote from: kernals12 on November 30, 2024, 06:42:16 PMQuote from: Plutonic Panda on November 30, 2024, 06:38:02 PMSorry, I don't keep up with all the drama in the lore going on in these threads. To make sure I understand this, right, the name of a mountain was changed due to it being a racial slur and somebody compare that to Orwell's 1984 insinuating, we're on track to go that route because of the name change?
The problem was they changed the name on a government document retroactively.
I'm with Kernals on this one at least in spirit. Taking an old document and apparently changing a name is a bit on the sketchy side. I do have a problem with that. The name was offensive but it was also its name. I bet Stalin thought the guy he airbrushed out of that photo on the boat was "offensive" and did so for such reasons. I feel that anyone who doesn't understand why Kernals believes it's Orwellian may have never read 1984, because it tracks with the retroactively adjusting names/verbiage/words/etc. Maybe I wouldn't go that far but to be gang-assaulting him over it is ridiculous.
For what it's worth, does anyone remember what Arizona state route shields were? Should we just remove that from history too because of what some totalitarian nut job did with the same symbol? It's not used anymore but I doubt Arizona buries its existence, especially going to any point to airbrush a swastika out of old photos.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on November 30, 2024, 09:10:20 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2024, 08:45:21 PMPart of what is unfortunate is that you seem to be pretty good at digging up some interesting historical road related documents. Trouble is that they get buried in weird things like all this 1984 business. That and vast majority of what you post (especially lately) is this fictional tech stuff that seemingly nobody wants.
Yeah sure, my thoughts are clear on the 1984 stuff (which you seem to still not get). You don't seem to get how annoying and downright aggravating it is bombard long running threads with tech nonsense. That and your niche self centered personal philosophies on how you think urban development should have gone past tense is pretty unappealing.
While you've made it clear that you don't like my attitude towards you, what about you towards everyone? You've been nothing but a jerk towards almost everyone who disagreed with you since you started on this forum. Having some basic courtesy would've helped you a ton with credibility.
The fact that I'm starting to think this person is a troll is more to do with them not explaining how changing the name of a mountain whether it be retroactively or not is Orwellian. They just keep repeating the same thing over and over. What the fuck is Orwellian about it? At this point, I'm well aware they change the name retroactively. For the umpteen time how is that Orwellian?
It's rewriting history. As SectorZ has pointed out, should they also start airbrushing old photos of state highway signs that had Swastikas on them?
I wasn't even really aware of the term that we are discussing until I moved to Arizona in 2001. Even then, I wasn't fully clear on how offensive term really is until I met my wife circa 2017. My wife is very close to our niece, they were the ones who explained how her tribe sees it. My niece has faced a lot of racism thrown her way in school, including the term we are talking about.
I guess what really pissed me off was that K12 doesn't get that fiction doesn't always echo reality. I (and at least one other poster) tried to steer him out of invoking Orwell. Instead he doubled down on his thought and provided very context for it.
To me that seemed to infer it that K12 used Orwell because he didn't believe the term to be offensive. He hasn't said anything here that has convinced he doesn't believe that. Perhaps he would like to elaborate in actual detail what he actually means?
But yes, Arizona in general has a history of revising/redacting historical documents to edit out disagreeable terms and symbols. I don't personally see that as necessary but it isn't Orwellian either. One is an ethnic slur and the other was a symbol that was co-opted by one of the most horrible governments in history.
Edit: And yes, Arizona does airbrush the old state highway shields from online versions the Arizona Highways magazine. I don't even think Jake Bear sells retro Arizona shields on his eBay store with the symbol on.
Quote from: vdeane on November 30, 2024, 09:09:22 PMQuote from: hotdogPi on November 30, 2024, 04:07:53 PMI don't think kernals12 is quite to the level of FritzOwl, MultiMillionMiler, or Poiponen13. The threads he creates might be ideas that don't work, but they feel like "this is a long shot proposal", not "there's absolutely no way this is happening" or "why did you make another thread where we name our favorite fictional sport". Compare 150 mph cars (kernals12) to 1000 mph cars (MMM).
He'd probably get less hate if he presented them as "this is a long shot, but what if..." instead of "this will happen" and "I think this is needed". And if he wasn't as defensive about his ideas. And if he wasn't posting multiple threads about the same stuff that most of the forum isn't interested in.
This is probably a lot clearer summary than what I wrote about why I created this thread and what the main problems at hand are.
Quote from: kernals12 on November 30, 2024, 09:44:42 PMQuote from: Plutonic Panda on November 30, 2024, 09:10:20 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2024, 08:45:21 PMPart of what is unfortunate is that you seem to be pretty good at digging up some interesting historical road related documents. Trouble is that they get buried in weird things like all this 1984 business. That and vast majority of what you post (especially lately) is this fictional tech stuff that seemingly nobody wants.
Yeah sure, my thoughts are clear on the 1984 stuff (which you seem to still not get). You don't seem to get how annoying and downright aggravating it is bombard long running threads with tech nonsense. That and your niche self centered personal philosophies on how you think urban development should have gone past tense is pretty unappealing.
While you've made it clear that you don't like my attitude towards you, what about you towards everyone? You've been nothing but a jerk towards almost everyone who disagreed with you since you started on this forum. Having some basic courtesy would've helped you a ton with credibility.
The fact that I'm starting to think this person is a troll is more to do with them not explaining how changing the name of a mountain whether it be retroactively or not is Orwellian. They just keep repeating the same thing over and over. What the fuck is Orwellian about it? At this point, I'm well aware they change the name retroactively. For the umpteen time how is that Orwellian?
It's rewriting history. As SectorZ has pointed out, should they also start airbrushing old photos of state highway signs that had Swastikas on them?
I don't really see that as rewriting history more as changing a name people found the be offensive. It's still in the history books. How many people is this really affecting? I really don't think you understand what Orwellian lore is. You probably should just stick to hating on mass transit.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on November 30, 2024, 10:37:01 PMQuote from: kernals12 on November 30, 2024, 09:44:42 PMQuote from: Plutonic Panda on November 30, 2024, 09:10:20 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2024, 08:45:21 PMPart of what is unfortunate is that you seem to be pretty good at digging up some interesting historical road related documents. Trouble is that they get buried in weird things like all this 1984 business. That and vast majority of what you post (especially lately) is this fictional tech stuff that seemingly nobody wants.
Yeah sure, my thoughts are clear on the 1984 stuff (which you seem to still not get). You don't seem to get how annoying and downright aggravating it is bombard long running threads with tech nonsense. That and your niche self centered personal philosophies on how you think urban development should have gone past tense is pretty unappealing.
While you've made it clear that you don't like my attitude towards you, what about you towards everyone? You've been nothing but a jerk towards almost everyone who disagreed with you since you started on this forum. Having some basic courtesy would've helped you a ton with credibility.
The fact that I'm starting to think this person is a troll is more to do with them not explaining how changing the name of a mountain whether it be retroactively or not is Orwellian. They just keep repeating the same thing over and over. What the fuck is Orwellian about it? At this point, I'm well aware they change the name retroactively. For the umpteen time how is that Orwellian?
It's rewriting history. As SectorZ has pointed out, should they also start airbrushing old photos of state highway signs that had Swastikas on them?
I don't really see that as rewriting history more as changing a name people found the be offensive. It's still in the history books. How many people is this really affecting? I really don't think you understand what Orwellian lore is. You probably should just stick to hating on mass transit.
K12 is probably one of the pigs from Animal Farm in disguise who for some reason really doesn't like mass transit :rofl:
Ah yes, more focus on users who are a bit annoying than users who are verbally abusive towards others and have not received any sort of punishment for it. SPUI once got post restricted for calling a user "extremely dense," (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=8159.msg194835#msg194835) which I would rank as orders of magnitude less abusive than calling a user a tyrant. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7953.msg2828265#msg2828265) This guy has admitted multiple times that he thinks the forum is a soapbox (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7953.msg2814883#msg2814883) (while simultaneously saying that folks from outside the Great Lakes region shouldn't be allowed to comment in that board (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7953.msg2824475#msg2824475)) and never contributes anything of value here.
Quote from: PNWRoadgeek on November 30, 2024, 10:49:19 PMQuote from: Plutonic Panda on November 30, 2024, 10:37:01 PMQuote from: kernals12 on November 30, 2024, 09:44:42 PMQuote from: Plutonic Panda on November 30, 2024, 09:10:20 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2024, 08:45:21 PMPart of what is unfortunate is that you seem to be pretty good at digging up some interesting historical road related documents. Trouble is that they get buried in weird things like all this 1984 business. That and vast majority of what you post (especially lately) is this fictional tech stuff that seemingly nobody wants.
Yeah sure, my thoughts are clear on the 1984 stuff (which you seem to still not get). You don't seem to get how annoying and downright aggravating it is bombard long running threads with tech nonsense. That and your niche self centered personal philosophies on how you think urban development should have gone past tense is pretty unappealing.
While you've made it clear that you don't like my attitude towards you, what about you towards everyone? You've been nothing but a jerk towards almost everyone who disagreed with you since you started on this forum. Having some basic courtesy would've helped you a ton with credibility.
The fact that I'm starting to think this person is a troll is more to do with them not explaining how changing the name of a mountain whether it be retroactively or not is Orwellian. They just keep repeating the same thing over and over. What the fuck is Orwellian about it? At this point, I'm well aware they change the name retroactively. For the umpteen time how is that Orwellian?
It's rewriting history. As SectorZ has pointed out, should they also start airbrushing old photos of state highway signs that had Swastikas on them?
I don't really see that as rewriting history more as changing a name people found the be offensive. It's still in the history books. How many people is this really affecting? I really don't think you understand what Orwellian lore is. You probably should just stick to hating on mass transit.
K12 is probably one of the pigs from Animal Farm in disguise who for some reason really doesn't like mass transit :rofl:
lol but on some real talk, is it just me or who else learned about animal farm during like kindergarten or elementary school? Like that was one of the first stories I learned right along other stories like the little boy who cried wolf. I mean, these are simple concepts presented in a simple way about a very convoluted issue that could become very serious one day as a warning. The fact that we or at least I in the class that I was in was taught stuff like this was kind of surprising now that I think about it.
And I'm sorry I don't mean to be rude, me and K 12 have been on good terms at times, but having Asperger's is not a get out of jail free card when you sit there and say dumb shit and people call you out on it. Trust me, I have problems of my own. I've been diagnosed with mental illnesses that I don't want to get into and I'm a drug addict, which doesn't help things any. I've had things that happens to me when I was a kid that wasn't too cool. But you know what I don't give a fuck about any of that shit because I'm not gonna go around trying to push my opinions on people and then use stuff like that as oh but I'm like this or that so here's my get out of jail free card. That kind of shit pisses me off.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 01, 2024, 12:26:25 AMQuote from: PNWRoadgeek on November 30, 2024, 10:49:19 PMQuote from: Plutonic Panda on November 30, 2024, 10:37:01 PMQuote from: kernals12 on November 30, 2024, 09:44:42 PMQuote from: Plutonic Panda on November 30, 2024, 09:10:20 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2024, 08:45:21 PMPart of what is unfortunate is that you seem to be pretty good at digging up some interesting historical road related documents. Trouble is that they get buried in weird things like all this 1984 business. That and vast majority of what you post (especially lately) is this fictional tech stuff that seemingly nobody wants.
Yeah sure, my thoughts are clear on the 1984 stuff (which you seem to still not get). You don't seem to get how annoying and downright aggravating it is bombard long running threads with tech nonsense. That and your niche self centered personal philosophies on how you think urban development should have gone past tense is pretty unappealing.
While you've made it clear that you don't like my attitude towards you, what about you towards everyone? You've been nothing but a jerk towards almost everyone who disagreed with you since you started on this forum. Having some basic courtesy would've helped you a ton with credibility.
The fact that I'm starting to think this person is a troll is more to do with them not explaining how changing the name of a mountain whether it be retroactively or not is Orwellian. They just keep repeating the same thing over and over. What the fuck is Orwellian about it? At this point, I'm well aware they change the name retroactively. For the umpteen time how is that Orwellian?
It's rewriting history. As SectorZ has pointed out, should they also start airbrushing old photos of state highway signs that had Swastikas on them?
I don't really see that as rewriting history more as changing a name people found the be offensive. It's still in the history books. How many people is this really affecting? I really don't think you understand what Orwellian lore is. You probably should just stick to hating on mass transit.
K12 is probably one of the pigs from Animal Farm in disguise who for some reason really doesn't like mass transit :rofl:
lol but on some real talk, is it just me or who else learned about animal farm during like kindergarten or elementary school? Like that was one of the first stories I learned right along other stories like the little boy who cried wolf. I mean, these are simple concepts presented in a simple way about a very convoluted issue that could become very serious one day as a warning. The fact that we or at least I in the class that I was in was taught stuff like this was kind of surprising now that I think about it.
And I'm sorry I don't mean to be rude, me and K 12 have been on good terms at times, but having Asperger's is not a get out of jail free card when you sit there and say dumb shit and people call you out on it. Trust me, I have problems of my own. I've been diagnosed with mental illnesses that I don't want to get into and I'm a drug addict, which doesn't help things any. I've had things that happens to me when I was a kid that wasn't too cool. But you know what I don't give a fuck about any of that shit because I'm not gonna go around trying to push my opinions on people and then use stuff like that as oh but I'm like this or that so here's my get out of jail free card. That kind of shit pisses me off.
Animal Farm is one of the all-time greats indeed.
And as someone who is autistic as well, I agree with you on the whole "get out of jail free card" thing. It's a common misconception that autistic people can say whatever they want because of mental health issues. This isn't true IMO.
My Buddhas in Christ, Yahweh, Ahura Mazda, and Satan, please stop using these threads to pile onto users.
Quote from: formulanone on December 01, 2024, 10:14:23 AMMy Buddhas in Christ, Yahweh, Ahura Mazda, and Satan, please stop using these threads to pile onto users.
Is it offensive to say Ahura Mazda sounds like a dealership franchise?
Quote from: kernals12 on December 01, 2024, 10:53:27 AMQuote from: formulanone on December 01, 2024, 10:14:23 AMMy Buddhas in Christ, Yahweh, Ahura Mazda, and Satan, please stop using these threads to pile onto users.
Is it offensive to say Ahura Mazda sounds like a dealership franchise?
What?
That has to do with Zoroastrianism. An an ancient Iranian religion. I guess I'm just not following here.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 01, 2024, 03:16:54 PMThat has to do with Zoroastrianism. An an ancient Iranian religion. I guess I'm just not following here.
I know. K12 was asking if it was offensive to point out that that could be the name of a Mazda dealership. I won't claim to know the answer to that for sure, but I would like to think Freddie Mercury (a prominent follower of that religion) would laugh along with jokes like that.
Actually, it looks like the car company Mazda was named after this Zoroastrian figure in the first place, so discussion about this is silly to begin with.
In my experience, followers of minority religions don't tend to take offense to jokes that aren't extremely poor in taste. My Sikh friends make "that's Sikh bro" jokes all the time, but I suppose that's different.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 01, 2024, 03:16:54 PMThat has to do with Zoroastrianism. An an ancient Iranian religion. I guess I'm just not following here.
Mazda is also the name of a Japanese Automaker. Ahura could be someone's last name. Put that together and it sounds like the name of an auto dealership
Quote from: kernals12 on December 01, 2024, 03:53:00 PMQuote from: Plutonic Panda on December 01, 2024, 03:16:54 PMThat has to do with Zoroastrianism. An an ancient Iranian religion. I guess I'm just not following here.
Mazda is also the name of a Japanese Automaker. Ahura could be someone's last name. Put that together and it sounds like the name of an auto dealership
Surprise! It exists! (https://maps.app.goo.gl/qwyGK8EqUGzMs7ha8) (or at least used to exist).
Quote from: kernals12 on December 01, 2024, 03:53:00 PMQuote from: Plutonic Panda on December 01, 2024, 03:16:54 PMThat has to do with Zoroastrianism. An an ancient Iranian religion. I guess I'm just not following here.
Mazda is also the name of a Japanese Automaker. Ahura could be someone's last name. Put that together and it sounds like the name of an auto dealership
All right well at this point I really don't know what the hell we're talking about so I'm just gonna slowly abstain from continuing to post in this thread. I guess it'll be interesting to see where this thread goes unless it gets locked.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2024, 09:50:54 PMI don't even think Jake Bear sells retro Arizona shields on his eBay store with the symbol on.
This is due to eBay policy, not ours. We can't even say "swastika" without triggering eBay's algorithms—our Arizona listings refer to it as a "whirling logs symbol".
We do sell historically-correct ones on signsbyjake.com. I'm always a little afraid of someone buying them for white-supremacy purposes (especially since we do sell AZ 88), but I imagine historical accuracy is the motivation for most of the customers.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 01, 2024, 09:52:49 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2024, 09:50:54 PMI don't even think Jake Bear sells retro Arizona shields on his eBay store with the symbol on.
This is due to eBay policy, not ours. We can't even say "swastika" without triggering eBay's algorithms—our Arizona listings refer to it as a "whirling logs symbol".
We do sell historically-correct ones on signsbyjake.com. I'm always a little afraid of someone buying them for white-supremacy purposes (especially since we do sell AZ 88), but I imagine historical accuracy is the motivation for most of the customers.
I should clarify that I was fully confident that you and Jake would be willing to sell the real deal if contacted. Jake has made a bunch of signs for me that were special orders.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 01, 2024, 10:04:17 PMQuote from: Scott5114 on December 01, 2024, 09:52:49 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2024, 09:50:54 PMI don't even think Jake Bear sells retro Arizona shields on his eBay store with the symbol on.
This is due to eBay policy, not ours. We can't even say "swastika" without triggering eBay's algorithms—our Arizona listings refer to it as a "whirling logs symbol".
We do sell historically-correct ones on signsbyjake.com. I'm always a little afraid of someone buying them for white-supremacy purposes (especially since we do sell AZ 88), but I imagine historical accuracy is the motivation for most of the customers.
I should clarify that I was fully confident that you and Jake would be willing to sell the real deal if contacted. Jake has made a bunch of signs for me that were special orders.
Can you elaborate who this Jake Bear is? I've seen people talk about him in other threads.
Quote from: PNWRoadgeek on December 02, 2024, 09:49:45 AMCan you elaborate who this Jake Bear is? I've seen people talk about him in other threads.
Former and longtime most prolific forum user
agentsteel53 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1)
That and Jake is one of the big name in signage collecting circles. He's also a license plate guy.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2024, 04:18:52 PMQuote from: kernals12 on November 30, 2024, 04:01:48 PMOnce again I appreciate you letting me live in your head rent free. And there's tons of empty space in here with your lack of any sort of imagination.
Yeah...did you really think I was going to let that insinuation about native Americans in the Phoenix thread slide? My oldest niece who I was the legal guardian of is part Mono. I had a feeling that I was onto something with the actual motivations with all this anti-mass transit stuff. Looks as though I was on the right track.
Many here actually contribute something to the road hobby. Your pseudo science has little or nothing to do with road fandom at all. You haven't done anything in this community to endear yourself to anyone or earn the slightest bit of respect. Why are you even here when it is plainly obvious how disliked you are?
Seriously though, this kid is a problem. He's been kicked off Reddit for being a troll already. Do we really need another on this forum?
I just had to look up his Reddit account. What a ... hot mess. In actuality, is K12 autistic? It would explain many of the ramblings and pie-in-the-sky proposals.
Quote from: kernals12 on November 30, 2024, 04:39:28 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2024, 04:18:52 PMMany here actually contribute something to the road hobby. Your pseudo science has little or nothing to do with road fandom at all. You haven't done anything in this community to endear yourself to anyone or earn the slightest bit of respect. Why are you even here when it is plainly obvious how disliked you are?
How are my speculations about driverless cars not part of road fandom?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2024, 04:21:14 PMQuote from: hotdogPi on November 30, 2024, 04:07:53 PMI don't think kernals12 is quite to the level of FritzOwl, MultiMillionMiler, or Poiponen13. The threads he creates might be ideas that don't work, but they feel like "this is a long shot proposal", not "there's absolutely no way this is happening" or "why did you make another thread where we name our favorite fictional sport". Compare 150 mph cars (kernals12) to 1000 mph cars (MMM).
I was kinda with that line of thought until he compared Phoenix to the book 1984. The reason he did that was because of how the city opted to remove a now offensive word from an AZ 51 planning document. It more or less just confirmed what I suspected K12 was actually about for a long time.
But I'm going to disagree on this AI car stuff. None of it is appreciably better than some of the things MMM was coming up. It would be one thing if it was one thread, but it ain't.
I am simply opposed to altering historical records, is that a problem?
I do not agree that it is Orwellian one bit, but I do in general agree with this. If anything, put a disclaimer on the front of the document that indicates that this document reflects the original name, it was deemed offensive, and changed. I mean, the person they are honoring didn't die for another decade - that's just strange.
Quote from: kernals12 on November 30, 2024, 04:01:48 PMOnce again I appreciate you letting me live in your head rent free. And there's tons of empty space in here with your lack of any sort of imagination.
"The Phoenix example had what I took as possible racially motivated undertones (although it wasn't overtly stated)."
If you're going to start lobbing unfounded accusations at me, then maybe I should start reading some sort of bigotry into your bullying of a guy with Aspergers.
Yeah, you can't go around being a d*ck like in the first paragraph, then claim to be a victim in the second.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 02, 2024, 10:27:35 AMQuote from: kernals12 on November 30, 2024, 04:01:48 PMOnce again I appreciate you letting me live in your head rent free. And there's tons of empty space in here with your lack of any sort of imagination.
"The Phoenix example had what I took as possible racially motivated undertones (although it wasn't overtly stated)."
If you're going to start lobbing unfounded accusations at me, then maybe I should start reading some sort of bigotry into your bullying of a guy with Aspergers.
Yeah, you can't go around being a d*ck like in the first paragraph, then claim to be a victim in the second.
I did get some amusement from it though. Especially considering I actually admin a highway page and was working new content for June 2025 when he posted that.
Aside from that to my knowledge K12 has never before claimed a mental disability. That might explain why he doesn't understand the issue I had with his 1984 Phoenix post. While unfortunate it doesn't excuse it either (IMO). It certainly doesn't give him a license to be snide with everyone who disagrees with him or to go off on one sided political rants (see his California related posts) about things he doesn't like.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 02, 2024, 10:58:40 AMIt certainly doesn't give him a license to be snide with everyone who disagrees with him or to go off on one sided political rants (see his California related posts) about things he doesn't like.
I'm only snide to those who are snide to me.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 02, 2024, 10:58:40 AM....
Aside from that to my knowledge K12 has never before claimed a mental disability. That might explain why he doesn't understand the issue I had with his 1984 Phoenix post. While unfortunate it doesn't excuse it either (IMO). It certainly doesn't give him a license to be snide with everyone who disagrees with him or to go off on one sided political rants (see his California related posts) about things he doesn't like.
He posted the following in 2021. It's not an excuse for his condescending behavior.
Quote from: kernals12 on March 26, 2021, 08:04:31 AMI have Aspergers. I think my commute does for me what Equine therapy does for others. My car is my emotional support animal.
QuoteI think my commute does for me what Equine therapy does for others. My car is my emotional support animal.
To be fair... I'm certain that this is true of many of us on this forum regardless of whether we have been formally diagnosed with a developmental disorder. :sombrero:
Quote from: webny99 on December 02, 2024, 12:20:52 PMQuoteI think my commute does for me what Equine therapy does for others. My car is my emotional support animal.
To be fair... I'm certain that this is true of many of us on this forum regardless of whether we have been formally diagnosed with a developmental disorder. :sombrero:
You know....as much as I love to drive, one thing I hate is when I go to a doctor's appointment and they want to take my blood pressure too soon after I've been driving. Even on a relatively easy drive, like the one I had this morning, things happen, like the dumbass who abruptly cut me off on the Beltway when his lane slowed down due to someone trying to use the approach to the express lanes to pass slower traffic. (But that was far enough in advance of today's appointment that it didn't affect the reading, which was nice and low. Not commuting has improved my blood pressure big time!)
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 02, 2024, 12:24:53 PMYou know....as much as I love to drive, one thing I hate is when I go to a doctor's appointment and they want to take my blood pressure too soon after I've been driving.
Interesting. I obviously understand how specific driving interactions can elevate one's blood pressure, but it never occurred to me that this could happen
without being involved in some sort of specific road rage incident. I have always attributed high blood pressure readings to white coat hypertension, but knowing that it could be affected by something as unassuming as having been driving recently (especially since I too enjoy driving), it's definitely something I'm going to pay attention to now... and perhaps even adjust appointment schedules to account for.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 02, 2024, 09:57:59 AMThat and Jake is one of the big name in signage collecting circles. He's also a license plate guy.
I never knew him and I'm not gonna look up his posts but I checked his profile and he likes button copy signage so I'm just gonna remember him by that cause that's pretty cool. For some reason, I like button copy signage as well.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 02, 2024, 01:17:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 02, 2024, 09:57:59 AMThat and Jake is one of the big name in signage collecting circles. He's also a license plate guy.
I never knew him and I'm not gonna look up his posts but I checked his profile and he likes button copy signage so I'm just gonna remember him by that cause that's pretty cool. For some reason, I like button copy signage as well.
He is still around on some off forum road groups.
Quote from: webny99 on December 02, 2024, 12:20:52 PMQuoteI think my commute does for me what Equine therapy does for others. My car is my emotional support animal.
To be fair... I'm certain that this is true of many of us on this forum regardless of whether we have been formally diagnosed with a developmental disorder. :sombrero:
I have found just hitting the open road can be relaxing for me after a stressful day, though commuting in traffic isn't exactly "relaxing" for me most of the time.
Quote from: webny99 on December 02, 2024, 12:42:08 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on December 02, 2024, 12:24:53 PMYou know....as much as I love to drive, one thing I hate is when I go to a doctor's appointment and they want to take my blood pressure too soon after I've been driving.
Interesting. I obviously understand how specific driving interactions can elevate one's blood pressure, but it never occurred to me that this could happen without being involved in some sort of specific road rage incident. I have always attributed high blood pressure readings to white coat hypertension, but knowing that it could be affected by something as unassuming as having been driving recently (especially since I too enjoy driving), it's definitely something I'm going to pay attention to now... and perhaps even adjust appointment schedules to account for.
I love driving. But there is a substantial difference between driving some scenic mountain highway versus commuting on congested urban roadways. One is relaxing, the other isn't. There is a clear rise in my heart rate that even my fitness watch picks up if a certain commute day is aggravating enough.
Kernals acts like I did back in 2017-2018 when I was new to the forum, the only thing is I think he's older than me which is quite embarrassing.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 02, 2024, 03:21:14 PMKernals acts like I did back in 2017-2018 when I was new to the forum, the only thing is I think he's older than me which is quite embarrassing.
No you were fine. Sometimes a little too exhuberant, but tolerable. Kernals is simply too steadfast in his ideas and rigid in his thinking.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 02, 2024, 02:16:14 PMQuote from: webny99 on December 02, 2024, 12:42:08 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on December 02, 2024, 12:24:53 PMYou know....as much as I love to drive, one thing I hate is when I go to a doctor's appointment and they want to take my blood pressure too soon after I've been driving.
Interesting. I obviously understand how specific driving interactions can elevate one's blood pressure, but it never occurred to me that this could happen without being involved in some sort of specific road rage incident. I have always attributed high blood pressure readings to white coat hypertension, but knowing that it could be affected by something as unassuming as having been driving recently (especially since I too enjoy driving), it's definitely something I'm going to pay attention to now... and perhaps even adjust appointment schedules to account for.
I love driving. But there is a substantial difference between driving some scenic mountain highway versus commuting on congested urban roadways. One is relaxing, the other isn't. There is a clear rise in my heart rate that even my fitness watch picks up if a certain commute day is aggravating enough.
True, although for some people, mountain highway driving (involving hilly terrain and/or snow in particular) can also lead to increased blood pressure for a very different reason... fear or under-confidence in their ability to navigate safely, or the driver's ability if they're the passenger.
I don't think there are many roadgeeks that suffer from that issue, but there are plenty of such people amongst the general population. The one type of roadway I think most everyone would find relaxing is a wide open interstate or rural two lane highway.
Quote from: webny99 on December 02, 2024, 03:36:50 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 02, 2024, 02:16:14 PMQuote from: webny99 on December 02, 2024, 12:42:08 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on December 02, 2024, 12:24:53 PMYou know....as much as I love to drive, one thing I hate is when I go to a doctor's appointment and they want to take my blood pressure too soon after I've been driving.
Interesting. I obviously understand how specific driving interactions can elevate one's blood pressure, but it never occurred to me that this could happen without being involved in some sort of specific road rage incident. I have always attributed high blood pressure readings to white coat hypertension, but knowing that it could be affected by something as unassuming as having been driving recently (especially since I too enjoy driving), it's definitely something I'm going to pay attention to now... and perhaps even adjust appointment schedules to account for.
I love driving. But there is a substantial difference between driving some scenic mountain highway versus commuting on congested urban roadways. One is relaxing, the other isn't. There is a clear rise in my heart rate that even my fitness watch picks up if a certain commute day is aggravating enough.
True, although for some people, mountain highway driving (involving hilly terrain and/or snow in particular) can also lead to increased blood pressure for a very different reason... fear or under-confidence in their ability to navigate safely, or the driver's ability if they're the passenger.
I don't think there are many roadgeeks that suffer from that issue, but there are plenty of such people amongst the general population. The one type of roadway I think most everyone would find relaxing is a wide open interstate or rural two lane highway.
Being a passenger on a mountain grade definitely is a different experience. For one thing the passenger isn't controlling the car and doesn't have a wheel to brace against. Unless the seat bolstering is good (it isn't in two my cars) the passenger is going to be sliding around a whole lot more than the driver.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on November 30, 2024, 09:10:20 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2024, 08:45:21 PMPart of what is unfortunate is that you seem to be pretty good at digging up some interesting historical road related documents. Trouble is that they get buried in weird things like all this 1984 business. That and vast majority of what you post (especially lately) is this fictional tech stuff that seemingly nobody wants.
Yeah sure, my thoughts are clear on the 1984 stuff (which you seem to still not get). You don't seem to get how annoying and downright aggravating it is bombard long running threads with tech nonsense. That and your niche self centered personal philosophies on how you think urban development should have gone past tense is pretty unappealing.
While you've made it clear that you don't like my attitude towards you, what about you towards everyone? You've been nothing but a jerk towards almost everyone who disagreed with you since you started on this forum. Having some basic courtesy would've helped you a ton with credibility.
The fact that I'm starting to think this person is a troll is more to do with them not explaining how changing the name of a mountain whether it be retroactively or not is Orwellian. They just keep repeating the same thing over and over. What the fuck is Orwellian about it? At this point, I'm well aware they change the name retroactively. For the umpteen time how is that Orwellian?
I remember some people making similar complaints when Mt. McKinley was officially renamed to Denali. How that was some kind of authoritarian move, blah blah blah. Except... Denali was both the native name, was already used in Alaska, and Mt. McKinley was just an early 20th century political stunt. And for the people who really are bothered by this, it remains a valid secondary/alternate name.
Point being, turns out it wasn't a big deal and no one really cared. This thread is the first I'm even hearing of a mountain in Arizona being renamed. And... okay? It's a mountain, I don't think it's going to care what it's called. We could rename Mt. Whitney to Mt. BudShusterIsAStupidFatass and it wouldn't change anything geographically. And on a more serious note, if the name change was to reflect native culture and/or original names (like what happened with Denali), then I for sure support it. Hell, even the British Empire when they were mapping the Himalaya tried to use any known native names when possible. Only the ones that didn't have them were assigned English names (most notably Everest).
Quote from: kernals12 on November 30, 2024, 04:01:48 PMthen maybe I should start reading some sort of bigotry into your bullying of a guy with Aspergers.
I have Aspergers, as well. As well as back arthritis. So do not criticize me or my posts.
FWIW I was a resident of the city of Phoenix when Piestewa Peak was named. There wasn't a lot of dissension because most locals were in favor of doing something to honor Lori Piestewa.
Yeah, doctoring a planning document from the 1990s long before Lori Piestewa died is weird. Even still, the scenario resembles nothing from a George Orwell novel. 1984 came out after World War II when the next big fear was Soviet style Totalitarianism.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 02, 2024, 03:21:14 PMKernals acts like I did back in 2017-2018 when I was new to the forum, the only thing is I think he's older than me which is quite embarrassing.
We're all our own worst critics. It's in our nature to look back at some of the things we've done less than fondly (a negative attitude to have) rather than celebrate our personal growth (putting a positive spin on past mistakes). I thought I was persona non grata on this forum for years only to come back and discover that wasn't the case.
Generally, I love this forum. As I feel like I'm accepted as a person here and generally not "persona non grata". I left for a little bit because I wasn't really interested in roads, and more interested in other things. But ever since I became interested in roads again I came back.
If personae non gratae get together, are they no longer personae non gratae?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 02, 2024, 02:16:14 PMQuote from: webny99 on December 02, 2024, 12:42:08 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on December 02, 2024, 12:24:53 PMYou know....as much as I love to drive, one thing I hate is when I go to a doctor's appointment and they want to take my blood pressure too soon after I've been driving.
Interesting. I obviously understand how specific driving interactions can elevate one's blood pressure, but it never occurred to me that this could happen without being involved in some sort of specific road rage incident. I have always attributed high blood pressure readings to white coat hypertension, but knowing that it could be affected by something as unassuming as having been driving recently (especially since I too enjoy driving), it's definitely something I'm going to pay attention to now... and perhaps even adjust appointment schedules to account for.
I love driving. But there is a substantial difference between driving some scenic mountain highway versus commuting on congested urban roadways. One is relaxing, the other isn't. There is a clear rise in my heart rate that even my fitness watch picks up if a certain commute day is aggravating enough.
That's exactly what I was getting at. Thanks for saying it more clearly than I did.
If I have a time I have to be there by, driving is stressful. If I don't, it's not.
This thread made me realize I gave myself the label of troll by creating my own "in one thread", well, thread.
FYI I also have aspergers. Seems very common in the road geek community.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 02, 2024, 10:49:18 PMFYI I also have aspergers. Seems very common in the road geek community.
I'd be surprised if anyone here
didn't have some form of autism.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 02, 2024, 10:53:09 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 02, 2024, 10:49:18 PMFYI I also have aspergers. Seems very common in the road geek community.
I'd be surprised if anyone here didn't have some form of autism.
Same here.
Quote from: PNWRoadgeek on December 02, 2024, 10:56:46 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 02, 2024, 10:53:09 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 02, 2024, 10:49:18 PMFYI I also have aspergers. Seems very common in the road geek community.
I'd be surprised if anyone here didn't have some form of autism.
Same here.
I don't. The only thing I was ever diagnosed with was ADHD. Thing was that was 35 years ago and I don't think how they diagnosed things in the 1980s lines up with how it is done now.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 02, 2024, 11:01:47 PMI don't. The only thing I was ever diagnosed with was ADHD. Thing was that was 35 years ago and I don't think how they diagnosed things in the 1980s lines up with how it is done now.
ADHD and autism have a lot of overlap. A lot of people with one have at least some traits of the other, and there are quite a lot of people diagnosed with both ("AuADHD").
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 02, 2024, 11:41:26 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 02, 2024, 11:01:47 PMI don't. The only thing I was ever diagnosed with was ADHD. Thing was that was 35 years ago and I don't think how they diagnosed things in the 1980s lines up with how it is done now.
ADHD and autism have a lot of overlap. A lot of people with one have at least some traits of the other, and there are quite a lot of people diagnosed with both ("AuADHD").
I've been made aware (from my wife specifically). I just prefer to not diagnose myself, especially since I'm not seeking one. That said, I don't believe that I could function in what I do for a living if I had ADHD or autism.
When I was a kid having ADHD certainly carried a stigma. I seem to recall not having a choice in being assigned to a resource room following diagnosis in the 1st grade. The other kids at the time definitely had their perception of ADHD (and the resource room kids) and made their point of view clear. I got into a lot of fights over it back in those days.
I stopped taking ADHD medicine around the 5th grade and never resumed it. I actually lied about taking medicine until the 6th grade until I fessed up to my mom. I tend to chalk those years up to being just plain uninterested in school. Truth be told, I wasn't very interested until I went to college and I was flipping the bill.
Now my dad is a different story. He had ADHD which got progressively worse as he aged. There was something off about him in general but it just got more out check the older he got. Specifically he had a really difficult time understanding why the things he did upset people. He did have brain terminal cancer in his 50s which may have contributed to worsening symptoms.
I've mentioned previously my dad was an active road fan. He was engaged in numerous facets of the hobby we'd consider normal now such as taking photos and finding old alignments. I distinctly recall him explaining what the US Route System was while on US 12 in Michigan when I was 3-4 years old.
Quote from: Rothman on December 02, 2024, 08:31:03 PMIf personae non gratae get together, are they no longer personae non gratae?
They just become grating.
Can we add OCD to those conditions that afflict road geeks?
Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 02, 2024, 10:53:09 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 02, 2024, 10:49:18 PMFYI I also have aspergers. Seems very common in the road geek community.
I'd be surprised if anyone here didn't have some form of autism.
I've never been diagnosed with any sort of any such thing and have never had reason to suspect I have any form of it.
Oh I wouldn't say all roadgeeks have autism/ADHD. I'd say they are severly overepresented in the hobby.
I was unaware that the swastika was ever anything more than a Nazi symbol until I stumbled on a photo of an old Arizona state highway marker at some point after discovering m.t.r. back in 1995. I had no idea that the symbol had such a rich heritage that had been co-opted by the Nazis.
I've also never been diagnosed with autism or ADHD. At this point in my life (having just turned 63) I'm not sure that being diagnosed as such would have any benefit. Nor do I think such a determination would have been beneficial in my youth. They probably would have used it as an excuse to pump me full of mind-altering drugs.
Who was the poster who announced that he had no interest whatsoever in roads? Was that P13?
Quote from: hbelkins on December 03, 2024, 12:01:08 PMI was unaware that the swastika was ever anything more than a Nazi symbol until I stumbled on a photo of an old Arizona state highway marker at some point after discovering m.t.r. back in 1995. I had no idea that the symbol had such a rich heritage that had been co-opted by the Nazis.
I've also never been diagnosed with autism or ADHD. At this point in my life (having just turned 63) I'm not sure that being diagnosed as such would have any benefit. Nor do I think such a determination would have been beneficial in my youth. They probably would have used it as an excuse to pump me full of mind-altering drugs.
Who was the poster who announced that he had no interest whatsoever in roads? Was that P13?
P13
Quote from: GaryV on December 03, 2024, 07:09:19 AMCan we add OCD to those conditions that afflict road geeks?
IIRC, there's some amount of evidence that Autism, ADHD, and OCD might all be the same disorder, just presenting itself in different ways in different people, and diagnosed based on personal biases of the doctor in question (such as the stereotype of "only boys have autism").
Similarly, some Cluster-B Personality Disorders may actually be the same personality disorder, specifically narcissism and bipolar disorder, the former being more regularly diagnosed in men and the latter being more regularly diagnosed in women, even when the male and female patients are exhibiting the same symptoms.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 03, 2024, 12:01:08 PMI was unaware that the swastika was ever anything more than a Nazi symbol until I stumbled on a photo of an old Arizona state highway marker at some point after discovering m.t.r. back in 1995. I had no idea that the symbol had such a rich heritage that had been co-opted by the Nazis.
I've also never been diagnosed with autism or ADHD. At this point in my life (having just turned 63) I'm not sure that being diagnosed as such would have any benefit. Nor do I think such a determination would have been beneficial in my youth. They probably would have used it as an excuse to pump me full of mind-altering drugs.
Who was the poster who announced that he had no interest whatsoever in roads? Was that P13?
The swastika is very old and can be seen in many cultures, even ancient ones.
Quote from: Quillz on December 03, 2024, 02:36:49 PMQuote from: hbelkins on December 03, 2024, 12:01:08 PMI was unaware that the swastika was ever anything more than a Nazi symbol until I stumbled on a photo of an old Arizona state highway marker at some point after discovering m.t.r. back in 1995. I had no idea that the symbol had such a rich heritage that had been co-opted by the Nazis.
I've also never been diagnosed with autism or ADHD. At this point in my life (having just turned 63) I'm not sure that being diagnosed as such would have any benefit. Nor do I think such a determination would have been beneficial in my youth. They probably would have used it as an excuse to pump me full of mind-altering drugs.
Who was the poster who announced that he had no interest whatsoever in roads? Was that P13?
The swastika is very old and can be seen in many cultures, even ancient ones.
Other associations with the swastika should still be taken into account today: the Jain religion utilizes it prominently in its symbology and has for centuries. I don't usually like the term cultural appropriation--it is an overused term that demonizes sharing and borrowing from other cultures that has occurred benignly throughout history, but the swastika's association with the NSDAP is really an example of it occurring in a negative way.
Of course, not all uses of it outside the developed world are ok. The anti-Black Indo-Ar**n Brotherhood movement was perfectly fine with the NSDAP's usage of it (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34265882) as long as targeted individuals didn't extend to North India.
Link doesn't help explain the point made?
Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 02, 2024, 10:41:50 PMThis thread made me realize I gave myself the label of troll by creating my own "in one thread", well, thread.
At least you didn't start the famed bbarr.
Quote from: Voyager on December 03, 2024, 05:05:20 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 02, 2024, 10:41:50 PMThis thread made me realize I gave myself the label of troll by creating my own "in one thread", well, thread.
At least you didn't start the famed bbarr.
I don't think users starting their own "in one" fictional thread has ever been viewed as trollish. Most of those are pretty self aware and good humored.
My Roadgeekteen in one thread started off pretty bad but got pretty tame by the end as I started just making my own googlemymaps and posting them. The predecesor is the now locked roadgeekteen's interstate highway system which was pretty wild but probably not as wild as P13 in one thread (I just read a bunch of that, quite a read)!
Quote from: Rothman on December 03, 2024, 04:29:30 PMLink doesn't help explain the point made?
Paragraph 11-15, actually a misquote of the book South African Gandhi: Stretcher-Bearer of Empire (https://www.amazon.com/South-African-Gandhi-Stretcher-Bearer-Empire/dp/080479717X) explains Mahatma Gandhi's activism in South Africa as part of his belief in the "Ar**n Brotherhood," more accurately described as the Indo-Ar**n Brotherhood--a belief that North Indians and Caucasians belonged to a higher social order than Black South Africans because of their common ethnolinguistic background. It's a complicated topic that I maybe shouldn't have posted about since it has the potential to be controversial, but the point is that everything in history (including symbology such as the swastika) should be taken with proper context.
Quote from: Voyager on December 03, 2024, 05:05:20 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 02, 2024, 10:41:50 PMThis thread made me realize I gave myself the label of troll by creating my own "in one thread", well, thread.
At least you didn't start the famed bbarr.
the what now
Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 03, 2024, 06:15:41 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 03, 2024, 05:05:20 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 02, 2024, 10:41:50 PMThis thread made me realize I gave myself the label of troll by creating my own "in one thread", well, thread.
At least you didn't start the famed bbarr.
the what now
Stop right there.
Somehow I know more about the Bbarr than Jake Bear. Wasn't it created by some guy named Voyager? I've seen his posts around the forum, especially in the Pacific Southwest sub-board.
Quote from: PNWRoadgeek on December 03, 2024, 06:50:17 PMSomehow I know more about the Bbarr than Jake Bear. Wasn't it created by some guy named Voyager? I've seen his posts around the forum, especially in the Pacific Southwest sub-board.
Voyager brought it up. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=35458.msg2954752#msg2954752)
Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 03, 2024, 06:15:41 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 03, 2024, 05:05:20 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 02, 2024, 10:41:50 PMThis thread made me realize I gave myself the label of troll by creating my own "in one thread", well, thread.
At least you didn't start the famed bbarr.
the what now
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Quote from: vdeane on December 03, 2024, 09:37:03 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 03, 2024, 06:15:41 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 03, 2024, 05:05:20 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 02, 2024, 10:41:50 PMThis thread made me realize I gave myself the label of troll by creating my own "in one thread", well, thread.
At least you didn't start the famed bbarr.
the what now
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When did voyager become V'Ger? Did the mods need to change the deleted account's name for them to register their new account?
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 03, 2024, 10:25:29 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 03, 2024, 09:37:03 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 03, 2024, 06:15:41 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 03, 2024, 05:05:20 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 02, 2024, 10:41:50 PMThis thread made me realize I gave myself the label of troll by creating my own "in one thread", well, thread.
At least you didn't start the famed bbarr.
the what now
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When did voyager become V'Ger? Did the mods need to change the deleted account's name for them to register their new account?
V'Ger has had that name the entire time I've been on the forum. I joined in 2013. It's also the same account; it was only banned, not deleted.
Quote from: hotdogPi on December 03, 2024, 10:32:33 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on December 03, 2024, 10:25:29 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 03, 2024, 09:37:03 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 03, 2024, 06:15:41 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 03, 2024, 05:05:20 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 02, 2024, 10:41:50 PMThis thread made me realize I gave myself the label of troll by creating my own "in one thread", well, thread.
At least you didn't start the famed bbarr.
the what now
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When did voyager become V'Ger? Did the mods need to change the deleted account's name for them to register their new account?
V'Ger has had that name the entire time I've been on the forum. I joined in 2013. It's also the same account; it was only banned, not deleted.
I remember some of the Voyager account's earlier posts were initially attributed to a deleted V'Ger account, but the attribution seems to have been merged. Or am I misremembering this?
@Scott5114 EDIT: Never mind, you appear to be right.
V'Ger is a reference to Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Someone changed the account display name to that at some point to be funny (can't remember if it was me or Jake Bear that did that). I think it had an avatar of Neelix from Star Trek: Voyager for a while as well (that one was probably me). It was done just to vent frustration while we were trying to bring the forum back up; there wasn't any technical reason for it.
I just assumed the V'Ger to Voyager name change was just a reference to the plot reveal in the first Star Trek movie.
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 03, 2024, 05:22:44 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 03, 2024, 04:29:30 PMLink doesn't help explain the point made?
Paragraph 11-15, actually a misquote of the book South African Gandhi: Stretcher-Bearer of Empire (https://www.amazon.com/South-African-Gandhi-Stretcher-Bearer-Empire/dp/080479717X) explains Mahatma Gandhi's activism in South Africa as part of his belief in the "Ar**n Brotherhood," more accurately described as the Indo-Ar**n Brotherhood--a belief that North Indians and Caucasians belonged to a higher social order than Black South Africans because of their common ethnolinguistic background. It's a complicated topic that I maybe shouldn't have posted about since it has the potential to be controversial, but the point is that everything in history (including symbology such as the swastika) should be taken with proper context.
Asking again, since my original post seems to either have been deleted (if so, why???) or never made it from my keyboard to the forum, but why is the word
Aryan blurred out with asterisks?
Quote from: hbelkins on December 04, 2024, 10:54:21 AMAsking again, since my original post seems to either have been deleted (if so, why???) or never made it from my keyboard to the forum, but why is the word Aryan blurred out with asterisks?
Gonna assume an overabundance of caution, which I guess is reasonable, but then again we are talking about that Brotherhood so why bother? (Not that we should be talking about it, but that's besides the point.)
Quote from: hbelkins on December 04, 2024, 10:54:21 AMQuote from: Molandfreak on December 03, 2024, 05:22:44 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 03, 2024, 04:29:30 PMLink doesn't help explain the point made?
Paragraph 11-15, actually a misquote of the book South African Gandhi: Stretcher-Bearer of Empire (https://www.amazon.com/South-African-Gandhi-Stretcher-Bearer-Empire/dp/080479717X) explains Mahatma Gandhi's activism in South Africa as part of his belief in the "Ar**n Brotherhood," more accurately described as the Indo-Ar**n Brotherhood--a belief that North Indians and Caucasians belonged to a higher social order than Black South Africans because of their common ethnolinguistic background. It's a complicated topic that I maybe shouldn't have posted about since it has the potential to be controversial, but the point is that everything in history (including symbology such as the swastika) should be taken with proper context.
Asking again, since my original post seems to either have been deleted (if so, why???) or never made it from my keyboard to the forum, but why is the word Aryan blurred out with asterisks?
I assumed the word combined with
brotherhood could potentially result in the forum running into trouble with the web host or shadow-banned from search engines.
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 04, 2024, 11:13:29 AMI assumed the word combined with brotherhood could potentially result in the forum running into trouble with the web host or shadow-banned from search engines.
Do we even want this thread to be visible to the general public?
Quote from: hotdogPi on December 04, 2024, 12:05:18 PMDo we even want this thread to be visible to the general public?
This could describe so many threads in here.
Heh. TikTok's censors are leading to overcensorship everywhere.
"Your calling that other user a cotton-headed ninny muggins goes against our community standards..."
Quote from: hotdogPi on December 04, 2024, 12:05:18 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on December 04, 2024, 11:13:29 AMI assumed the word combined with brotherhood could potentially result in the forum running into trouble with the web host or shadow-banned from search engines.
Do we even want this thread to be visible to the general public?
I'm surprised we haven't had a slew of anti-Car people come on here and bombard certain posts. I've seen some post by DOTs on social media where a single particular post will be just completely bombarded with comments like stop wasting money on freeways and roads and build trains instead. I also follow transit groups that are pro mass in active transit and sometimes they'll share a DOT post that praises a construction project for a freeway they built. They will all go and swarm on that post and shit on it.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 04, 2024, 01:34:47 PMQuote from: hotdogPi on December 04, 2024, 12:05:18 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on December 04, 2024, 11:13:29 AMI assumed the word combined with brotherhood could potentially result in the forum running into trouble with the web host or shadow-banned from search engines.
Do we even want this thread to be visible to the general public?
I'm surprised we haven't had a slew of anti-Car people come on here and bombard certain posts. I've seen some post by DOTs on social media where a single particular post will be just completely bombarded with comments like stop wasting money on freeways and roads and build trains instead. I also follow transit groups that are pro mass in active transit and sometimes they'll share a DOT post that praises a construction project for a freeway they built. They will all go and swarm on that post and shit on it.
Don't new users have to be manually approved? That probably serves as a major filter.
This "Loaf Bread thread" stuff I feel is more or less just reinforcing what I said in the first paragraph here. Clearly the lad is only concerned about this fictional future tech nonsense. How is that tangibly different from P13 wanting to create fictional Arctic Island Gulags?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 04, 2024, 03:28:02 PMThis "Loaf Bread thread" stuff I feel is more or less just reinforcing what I said in the first paragraph here. Clearly the lad is only concerned about this fictional future tech nonsense. How is that tangibly different from P13 wanting to create fictional Arctic Island Gulags?
When I saw that thread, I immediately thought that K12 started it or had something to do with it without even clicking on it, and I finally clicked on it and went to the first page and sure enough there it was.
Kernals is just a more articulate version of P13. He seems to be more interested in his agenda than roadgeek topics.
K12 is why some people think the roadgeek fandom is full of only car nuts who hate transit, when that's of course not the case.
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 03, 2024, 10:25:29 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 03, 2024, 09:37:03 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 03, 2024, 06:15:41 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 03, 2024, 05:05:20 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 02, 2024, 10:41:50 PMThis thread made me realize I gave myself the label of troll by creating my own "in one thread", well, thread.
At least you didn't start the famed bbarr.
the what now
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When did voyager become V'Ger? Did the mods need to change the deleted account's name for them to register their new account?
To be clear - yes. Both are me, I co-created the forum with Alex back in 2009. He brought me back last year after a very long siesta.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 04, 2024, 04:33:35 PMK12 is why some people think the roadgeek fandom is full of only car nuts who hate transit, when that's of course not the case.
Personally I love both. Living in San Francisco is difficult because it has neither in a very good or meaningful way - MUNI is missing tons of subway lines and moves very slow, and driving to the Golden Gate Bridge from Daly City takes forever when there easily could have been at least one or two (Crosstown and Westside) freeways that would have gone through sparely populated areas that aren't even parks due to their geography.
Quote from: Voyager on December 04, 2024, 04:37:57 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on December 03, 2024, 10:25:29 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 03, 2024, 09:37:03 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 03, 2024, 06:15:41 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 03, 2024, 05:05:20 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 02, 2024, 10:41:50 PMThis thread made me realize I gave myself the label of troll by creating my own "in one thread", well, thread.
At least you didn't start the famed bbarr.
the what now
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When did voyager become V'Ger? Did the mods need to change the deleted account's name for them to register their new account?
To be clear - yes. Both are me, I co-created the forum with Alex back in 2009. He brought me back last year after a very long siesta.
OMG I didn't even realize you are V'ger who I recall seeing ancient posts from when I started using the forum. Wow!
Quote from: Voyager on December 04, 2024, 04:39:25 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 04, 2024, 04:33:35 PMK12 is why some people think the roadgeek fandom is full of only car nuts who hate transit, when that's of course not the case.
Personally I love both.
I don't own a car, so of course I'm gonna become an advocate for better transit - but unlike most of that crowd, I know it's unrealistic to get rid of all cars.
I use transit options where they are available and convenient. I've talked several times about using BART to attend As games. As mismanaged as I think the HSR has become as it was original billed (namely the price and timeline) concept I didn't think it was a horrible idea. If there was an available alternative to commuting by car I'd look into it.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 04, 2024, 05:31:20 PMI use transit options where they are available and convenient. I've talked several times about using BART to attend As games. As mismanaged as I think the HSR has become as it was original billed (namely the price and timeline) concept I didn't think it was a horrible idea. If there was an available alternative to commuting by car I'd look into it.
Are you also in the Bay Area? The only thing I'll give credit is CalTrain, their new trains are so nice and the half hour lead times are wonderful.
Quote from: Voyager on December 04, 2024, 06:31:38 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 04, 2024, 05:31:20 PMI use transit options where they are available and convenient. I've talked several times about using BART to attend As games. As mismanaged as I think the HSR has become as it was original billed (namely the price and timeline) concept I didn't think it was a horrible idea. If there was an available alternative to commuting by car I'd look into it.
Are you also in the Bay Area? The only thing I'll give credit is CalTrain, their new trains are so nice and the half hour lead times are wonderful.
Fresno, the BART station I was using was in Dublin off I-580.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 04, 2024, 06:36:53 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 04, 2024, 06:31:38 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 04, 2024, 05:31:20 PMI use transit options where they are available and convenient. I've talked several times about using BART to attend As games. As mismanaged as I think the HSR has become as it was original billed (namely the price and timeline) concept I didn't think it was a horrible idea. If there was an available alternative to commuting by car I'd look into it.
Are you also in the Bay Area? The only thing I'll give credit is CalTrain, their new trains are so nice and the half hour lead times are wonderful.
Fresno, the BART station I was using was in Dublin off I-580.
Gotcha! I was always fascinated with 168's incomplete expressway section up Tollhouse - did you ever do a blog about that? (searched but nothing came up)
When I lived in SF, I found public transportation to be quite serviceable, whether MUNI (buses or trains) or BART.
Quote from: Voyager on December 04, 2024, 06:59:53 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 04, 2024, 06:36:53 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 04, 2024, 06:31:38 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 04, 2024, 05:31:20 PMI use transit options where they are available and convenient. I've talked several times about using BART to attend As games. As mismanaged as I think the HSR has become as it was original billed (namely the price and timeline) concept I didn't think it was a horrible idea. If there was an available alternative to commuting by car I'd look into it.
Are you also in the Bay Area? The only thing I'll give credit is CalTrain, their new trains are so nice and the half hour lead times are wonderful.
Fresno, the BART station I was using was in Dublin off I-580.
Gotcha! I was always fascinated with 168's incomplete expressway section up Tollhouse - did you ever do a blog about that? (searched but nothing came up)
One of the first I did on Gribblenation:
https://www.gribblenation.org/2017/07/tale-of-ca-168-west-climb-to-kaiser-on.html?m=1
I also put together a hub page for just California. I need to get around putting links in-blog back to it though:
https://www.gribblenation.org/p/golden-state-highways-version-30.html?m=1
Anyone else feel like the forum is overheating right now?
Quote from: vdeane on December 04, 2024, 09:37:29 PMAnyone else feel like the forum is overheating right now?
I feel like there should be a global 1-hour cooldown.
Quote from: hotdogPi on December 04, 2024, 09:39:25 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 04, 2024, 09:37:29 PMAnyone else feel like the forum is overheating right now?
I feel like there should be a global 1-hour cooldown.
Nonsense all increases in temperature even of the figurative variety are optimal. Haven't we been attention to these K12 threads?
Quote from: vdeane on December 04, 2024, 09:37:29 PMAnyone else feel like the forum is overheating right now?
Nah. Just the never-ending dumpster fire getting a stoke here and there.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 04, 2024, 09:42:58 PMQuote from: hotdogPi on December 04, 2024, 09:39:25 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 04, 2024, 09:37:29 PMAnyone else feel like the forum is overheating right now?
I feel like there should be a global 1-hour cooldown.
Nonsense all increases in temperature even of the figurative variety are optimal. Haven't we been attention to these K12 threads?
We should pay attention to all those threads about Québécoise trans women making Minecraft worlds with a bunch of highways.
Quote from: vdeane on December 04, 2024, 09:37:29 PMAnyone else feel like the forum is overheating right now?
With all these K12 threads it's more than overheating at this point.
Eventually K12 is gonna do something stupid and get banned. He hasn't done anything ban worthy yet but I just feel it.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 04, 2024, 10:23:54 PMEventually K12 is gonna do something stupid and get banned. He hasn't done anything ban worthy yet but I just feel it.
I don't think so. He's been too careful in obfuscating his truly controversial views. With forum moderation the way it is now, I don't see a ban in the near future.
Quote from: Rothman on December 04, 2024, 10:34:19 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 04, 2024, 10:23:54 PMEventually K12 is gonna do something stupid and get banned. He hasn't done anything ban worthy yet but I just feel it.
I don't think so. He's been too careful in obfuscating his truly controversial views. With forum moderation the way it is now, I don't see a ban in the near future.
Hence part of the original post here. He doesn't think some of us can see through his BS or thinks he is being subtle. Problem is that it isn't overtly trollish enough likely for a ban from mod staff. He backed way down when I called out logic behind a political rant today which clearly against a certain political party.
I am amused though at this bizarre mindset he has about fanfic future tech. He seems to think it will better his life but didn't have much to say when I ask what he was actually inventing.
And yes, I fully expect him to say I'm "mocking him" at some point tomorrow. Dude just does this to himself and seems to have run out of good will on the forum. If he just stuck to roads everyone would leave him alone.
Quote from: vdeane on December 04, 2024, 09:37:29 PMAnyone else feel like the forum is overheating right now?
I think "flooding" may be more apropos, given what's going on in the travel board :)
Quote from: webny99 on December 04, 2024, 10:42:40 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 04, 2024, 09:37:29 PMAnyone else feel like the forum is overheating right now?
I think "flooding" may be more apropos, given what's going on in the travel board :)
I won't blame people, it's a very interesting topic to see where people have been. But we are going a bit too fast.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 04, 2024, 11:13:43 PMQuote from: webny99 on December 04, 2024, 10:42:40 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 04, 2024, 09:37:29 PMAnyone else feel like the forum is overheating right now?
I think "flooding" may be more apropos, given what's going on in the travel board :)
I won't blame people, it's a very interesting topic to see where people have been. But we are going a bit too fast.
One of the stokers of the fire is now saying the fire is too hot...
I'm not going to complain about people talking about an actual road topic for a change.
Ok but real talk, why are all of these How many *insert name here* crossings have you crossed thread? And where does it come from?
Quote from: PNWRoadgeek on December 04, 2024, 11:27:04 PMOk but real talk, why are all of these How many *insert name here* crossings have you crossed thread? And where does it come from?
It's our form of bandwagoning. Someone starts a thread that has unlimited potential for variants, and everyone wants in on the fun.
See also: Guess the [insert jurisdiction of choice] challenge threads, which were all the rage for a while and eventually fizzled out.
Quote from: webny99 on December 04, 2024, 11:50:57 PMQuote from: PNWRoadgeek on December 04, 2024, 11:27:04 PMOk but real talk, why are all of these How many *insert name here* crossings have you crossed thread? And where does it come from?
It's our form of bandwagoning. Someone starts a thread that has unlimited potential for variants, and everyone wants in on the fun.
It's a legitimately interesting topic and I'm interested in reading responses. Besides, if not for that thread it would just be K12's stuff.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 04, 2024, 11:52:03 PMBesides, if not for that thread it would just be K12's stuff.
It's only "K12's stuff", whatever that even means at this point, because everyone is actively choosing it to be so.
I honestly find it hilarious how this forum is so calm and laid back most of the time until someone gives off mildly trollish vibes and then everyone explodes all at once. It's either the most chill forum on the planet or more squabbly than city-data... with seemingly no in between. :meh:
I don't mind reading those river threads since they have some off brand bridges that might be worth seeing.
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2024, 12:02:24 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 04, 2024, 11:52:03 PMBesides, if not for that thread it would just be K12's stuff.
It's only "K12's stuff", whatever that even means at this point, because everyone is actively choosing it to be so.
I honestly find it hilarious how this forum is so calm and laid back most of the time until someone gives off mildly trollish vibes and then everyone explodes all at once. It's either the most chill forum on the planet or more squabbly than city-data... with seemingly no in between. :meh:
Honestly I don't care all that much about the K12 spam as if someone wants to post something interesting I will see it. But I know some other users are very bothered by it so I want that thread locked, it's a waste of server space anyway.
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2024, 12:02:24 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 04, 2024, 11:52:03 PMBesides, if not for that thread it would just be K12's stuff.
It's only "K12's stuff", whatever that even means at this point, because everyone is actively choosing it to be so.
I honestly find it hilarious how this forum is so calm and laid back most of the time until someone gives off mildly trollish vibes and then everyone explodes all at once. It's either the most chill forum on the planet or more squabbly than city-data... with seemingly no in between. :meh:
Thing is that the forum as a whole is pretty set against heavy handed moderation. Generally that is fine, at least until someone goes off the deep end. Usually the way it goes is a tidal wave of member resistance to problem posters. Even then, it tends to drag out for a while and gets increasingly worse. MMM, P13 and Crash_It all went down in a slow crash rather than an outright flame out.
K12 type trolling is way easier to deal with off forum with a couple clicks. In groups I managed it is east to just ban/block people the minute they give a clear indication they are being intentionally trollish. Then again the trolling you see here doesn't happen much on other platforms. Putting your face and name behind outlandish statements tends to be deterrent unto itself.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2024, 12:12:45 AMQuote from: webny99 on December 05, 2024, 12:02:24 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 04, 2024, 11:52:03 PMBesides, if not for that thread it would just be K12's stuff.
It's only "K12's stuff", whatever that even means at this point, because everyone is actively choosing it to be so.
I honestly find it hilarious how this forum is so calm and laid back most of the time until someone gives off mildly trollish vibes and then everyone explodes all at once. It's either the most chill forum on the planet or more squabbly than city-data... with seemingly no in between. :meh:
Thing is that the forum as a whole is pretty set against heavy handed moderation. Generally that is fine, at least until someone goes off the deep end. Usually the way it goes is a tidal wave of member resistance to problem posters. Even then, it tends to drag out for a while and gets increasingly worse. MMM, P13 and Crash_It all went down in a slow crab than an outright flame out.
K12 type trolling is way easier to deal with off forum with a couple clicks. In groups I managed it is east to just ban/block people the minute they give a clear indication they are being intentionally trollish. Then again the trolling you see here doesn't happen much on other platforms. Putting your face and name behind outlandish statements tends to be deterrent unto itself.
Look, the P13 thread gave me a ton of laughs as I read through the last 50 pages or so (I was inactive when it was happening real time). So at least it had some value. Though it probably should have been stopped a lot earlier, I feel like RGT's interstate highway system (og thread) got locked for less.
I've said plenty about the merits of the Fictional board. We are at rare point in time where there is an actual new viable non-shit post style fictional thread.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=35456.0
That said, do you see K12 in fiction unless he is put there? His "ideas" belong on the fictional board. His fanfic futurism makes it into way too many serious threads and begins to derail them. His political ranting is just as bad but doesn't exactly have a viable category.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2024, 12:20:52 AMI've said plenty about the merits of the Fictional board. We are at rare point in time where there is an actual new viable non-shit post style fictional thread.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=35456.0
That said, do you see K12 in fiction unless he is put there? His "ideas" belong on the fictional board. His fanfic futurism makes it into way too many serious threads and begins to derail them. His political ranting is just as bad but doesn't exactly have a viable category.
His stuff isn't even fictional highways. It's just stuff that makes Elon Msuk's hyperloop look like the world's greatest inventions. I don't even know where to put it.
Quote from: hotdogPi on December 04, 2024, 09:39:25 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 04, 2024, 09:37:29 PMAnyone else feel like the forum is overheating right now?
I feel like there should be a global 1-hour cooldown.
Is that something like DST? (runs and hides)
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2024, 12:02:24 AMor more squabbly than city-data...
Is city-data that bad?
Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 05, 2024, 04:37:07 PMQuoteor more squabbly than city-data...
Is city-data that bad?
Relative to this forum on a good day, yes. There's a lot more inflammatory rhetoric and disagreements between users, and the average post is of considerably lower quality... in part because it covers a much broader range of subjects and appeals to a much broader user base, so there's less sense of community.
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2024, 05:04:32 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 05, 2024, 04:37:07 PMQuoteor more squabbly than city-data...
Is city-data that bad?
Relative to this forum on a good day, yes. There's a lot more inflammatory rhetoric and disagreements between users, and the average post is of considerably lower quality.
First thing I see is someone saying Illinois needs a Department of Government Efficiency. I think I'll take your word for it even if I didn't click on any threads.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 05, 2024, 05:07:43 PMQuote from: webny99 on December 05, 2024, 05:04:32 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 05, 2024, 04:37:07 PMQuoteor more squabbly than city-data...
Is city-data that bad?
Relative to this forum on a good day, yes. There's a lot more inflammatory rhetoric and disagreements between users, and the average post is of considerably lower quality.
First thing I see is someone saying Illinois needs a Department of Government Efficiency. I think I'll take your word for it even if I didn't click on any threads.
Sounds like they need to be introduced to "Illinois is flat" and the "Hypotenuse."
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2024, 05:14:46 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 05, 2024, 05:07:43 PMQuote from: webny99 on December 05, 2024, 05:04:32 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 05, 2024, 04:37:07 PMQuoteor more squabbly than city-data...
Is city-data that bad?
Relative to this forum on a good day, yes. There's a lot more inflammatory rhetoric and disagreements between users, and the average post is of considerably lower quality.
First thing I see is someone saying Illinois needs a Department of Government Efficiency. I think I'll take your word for it even if I didn't click on any threads.
Sounds like they need to be introduced to "Illinois is flat" and the "Hypotenuse."
You wanna do the honors? I'm not going there again.
I'll email governor Pritzker and tell him to sign an EO declaring Illinois flat plus he needs to ask the feds for money to built the Hypotenuse
Quote from: webny99 on December 05, 2024, 05:04:32 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 05, 2024, 04:37:07 PMQuoteor more squabbly than city-data...
Is city-data that bad?
Relative to this forum on a good day, yes. There's a lot more inflammatory rhetoric and disagreements between users, and the average post is of considerably lower quality... in part because it covers a much broader range of subjects and appeals to a much broader user base, so there's less sense of community.
Sounds like the original board that spawned the creation of this forum in the first place (I forgot the name of it, but it was pretty awful sometimes).
Quote from: Voyager on December 05, 2024, 07:37:29 PMQuote from: webny99 on December 05, 2024, 05:04:32 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on December 05, 2024, 04:37:07 PMQuoteor more squabbly than city-data...
Is city-data that bad?
Relative to this forum on a good day, yes. There's a lot more inflammatory rhetoric and disagreements between users, and the average post is of considerably lower quality... in part because it covers a much broader range of subjects and appeals to a much broader user base, so there's less sense of community.
Sounds like the original board that spawned the creation of this forum in the first place (I forgot the name of it, but it was pretty awful sometimes).
MTR? Even I know the name of it.
Hearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Quote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Describing Usenet to the youth...
Man MTR was really bussin back in the day. I think Calrog was very sigma. Vger and Calrog had W rizz, more rizz than Alex who has W rizz. MTR was yeeted because of calrog.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 05, 2024, 10:18:48 PMMan MTR was really bussin back in the day. I think Calrog was very sigma. Vger and Calrog had W rizz, more rizz than Alex who has W rizz. MTR was yeeted because of calrog.
We were doing so well until this one.
Quote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 10:28:59 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 05, 2024, 10:18:48 PMMan MTR was really bussin back in the day. I think Calrog was very sigma. Vger and Calrog had W rizz, more rizz than Alex who has W rizz. MTR was yeeted because of calrog.
We were doing so well until this one.
Yeah. He was trying too hard.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 05, 2024, 10:32:34 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 10:28:59 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 05, 2024, 10:18:48 PMMan MTR was really bussin back in the day. I think Calrog was very sigma. Vger and Calrog had W rizz, more rizz than Alex who has W rizz. MTR was yeeted because of calrog.
We were doing so well until this one.
Yeah. He was trying too hard.
Trying too hard or hardly trying
Quote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
Quote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
Quote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
Because I think it is funny and silly.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 07, 2024, 11:10:17 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
Because I think it is funny and silly.
I'm sure that you would've found Norman Bel Geddes'
Magic Motorways also funny and silly.
Quote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:14:02 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 07, 2024, 11:10:17 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
Because I think it is funny and silly.
I'm sure that you would've found Norman Bel Geddes' Magic Motorways also funny and silly
I enjoyed stuff like that and all sorts of middle twentieth century future tech things as a kid. While they at times have quaint value as an entertainment pieces much of it just doesn't line up with reality.
I mean hey, I'm more interested in actual road items. I spent two hours last night recording a podcast on the history of Interstate 5 and wrote three highway articles today (which nobody else has covered BTW). The magnitude of what was going with NV 85 also started becoming apparent to me when I began my cursory look into it.
You keep wanting to defend this futurist kick you're on and keep missing the point that this is roads forum. I guess I'm kind of amused that you randomly want to reopen debate with me. I'm not the one who was giving you crap today for over posting about random things. All the same, who is coming to your defense? How does the mass of forum members saying you are being a problem not resonate with you?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 07, 2024, 11:32:56 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:14:02 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 07, 2024, 11:10:17 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
Because I think it is funny and silly.
I'm sure that you would've found Norman Bel Geddes' Magic Motorways also funny and silly
I enjoyed stuff like that and all sorts of middle twentieth century future tech things as a kid. While they at times have quaint value as an entertainment pieces much of it just doesn't line up with reality.
I mean hey, I'm more interested in actual road items. I spent two hours last night recording a podcast on the history of Interstate 5 and wrote three highway articles today (which nobody else has covered BTW). The magnitude of what was going with NV 85 also started becoming apparent to me when I began my cursory look into it.
You keep wanting to defend this futurist kick you're on and keep missing the point that this is roads forum. I guess I'm kind of amused that you randomly want to reopen debate with me. I'm not the one who was giving you crap today for over posting about random things. All the same, who is coming to your defense? How does the mass of forum members saying you are being a problem not resonate with you?
When is your I-5 podcast gonna be out? Gonna be fun listening to it.
Quote from: PNWRoadgeek on December 08, 2024, 11:01:55 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 07, 2024, 11:32:56 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:14:02 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 07, 2024, 11:10:17 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
Because I think it is funny and silly.
I'm sure that you would've found Norman Bel Geddes' Magic Motorways also funny and silly
I enjoyed stuff like that and all sorts of middle twentieth century future tech things as a kid. While they at times have quaint value as an entertainment pieces much of it just doesn't line up with reality.
I mean hey, I'm more interested in actual road items. I spent two hours last night recording a podcast on the history of Interstate 5 and wrote three highway articles today (which nobody else has covered BTW). The magnitude of what was going with NV 85 also started becoming apparent to me when I began my cursory look into it.
You keep wanting to defend this futurist kick you're on and keep missing the point that this is roads forum. I guess I'm kind of amused that you randomly want to reopen debate with me. I'm not the one who was giving you crap today for over posting about random things. All the same, who is coming to your defense? How does the mass of forum members saying you are being a problem not resonate with you?
When is your I-5 podcast gonna be out? Gonna be fun listening to it.
Probably some time before the end of the month. It is specifically just on the segment between San Diego and Los Angeles. I want to say we have seven I-5 episodes planned? The next one is on the Ridge Route/Grapevine Grade corridor.
Quote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
It's your "Illinois isn't flat" moment.
Quote from: vdeane on December 08, 2024, 02:31:46 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
It's your "Illinois isn't flat" moment.
Does that mean the "certain people should be forced to wear certain things to identify themselves" is not far down the road?
Quote from: SectorZ on December 08, 2024, 05:30:33 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 08, 2024, 02:31:46 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
It's your "Illinois isn't flat" moment.
Does that mean the "certain people should be forced to wear certain things to identify themselves" is not far down the road?
That particular former user (Crash_It) occasionally was popping up on the Facebook road groups. I asked if he really thought any of us forgot what he said or the things did here. His response was that he was a "changed person." His Facebook page is just as big if not bigger dumpster fire than what he presented here. Once he started going after people for not universally liking Illinois on our page I blocked him.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 06:07:08 PMQuote from: SectorZ on December 08, 2024, 05:30:33 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 08, 2024, 02:31:46 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
It's your "Illinois isn't flat" moment.
Does that mean the "certain people should be forced to wear certain things to identify themselves" is not far down the road?
That particular former user (Crash_It) occasionally was popping up on the Facebook road groups. I asked if he really thought any of us forgot what he said or the things did here. His response was that he was a "changed person." His Facebook page is just as big if not bigger dumpster fire than what he presented here. Once he started going after people for not universally liking Illinois on our page I blocked him.
The guy was only banned here about 18 months ago right? A changed person?
Anyway, Illinois is flat.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 07:14:48 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 06:07:08 PMQuote from: SectorZ on December 08, 2024, 05:30:33 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 08, 2024, 02:31:46 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
It's your "Illinois isn't flat" moment.
Does that mean the "certain people should be forced to wear certain things to identify themselves" is not far down the road?
That particular former user (Crash_It) occasionally was popping up on the Facebook road groups. I asked if he really thought any of us forgot what he said or the things did here. His response was that he was a "changed person." His Facebook page is just as big if not bigger dumpster fire than what he presented here. Once he started going after people for not universally liking Illinois on our page I blocked him.
The guy was only banned here about 18 months ago right? A changed person?
Anyway, Illinois is flat.
His words, not mine. Either way, he didn't exhibit much evidence of change off forum by how he acted. I had some fun for a while trolling him with reminders about how flat Illinois is. The last I checked he was on about the supposedly superiority of library architecture in Illinois versus Wisconsin.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 07:19:15 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 07:14:48 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 06:07:08 PMQuote from: SectorZ on December 08, 2024, 05:30:33 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 08, 2024, 02:31:46 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
It's your "Illinois isn't flat" moment.
Does that mean the "certain people should be forced to wear certain things to identify themselves" is not far down the road?
That particular former user (Crash_It) occasionally was popping up on the Facebook road groups. I asked if he really thought any of us forgot what he said or the things did here. His response was that he was a "changed person." His Facebook page is just as big if not bigger dumpster fire than what he presented here. Once he started going after people for not universally liking Illinois on our page I blocked him.
The guy was only banned here about 18 months ago right? A changed person?
Anyway, Illinois is flat.
His words, not mine. Either way, he didn't exhibit much evidence of change off forum by how he acted. I had some fun for a while trolling him with reminders about how flat Illinois is. The last I checked he was on about the supposedly superiority of library architecture in Illinois versus Wisconsin.
LOL, he is probably the only one who actually cares.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 08:24:42 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 07:19:15 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 07:14:48 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 06:07:08 PMQuote from: SectorZ on December 08, 2024, 05:30:33 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 08, 2024, 02:31:46 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
It's your "Illinois isn't flat" moment.
Does that mean the "certain people should be forced to wear certain things to identify themselves" is not far down the road?
That particular former user (Crash_It) occasionally was popping up on the Facebook road groups. I asked if he really thought any of us forgot what he said or the things did here. His response was that he was a "changed person." His Facebook page is just as big if not bigger dumpster fire than what he presented here. Once he started going after people for not universally liking Illinois on our page I blocked him.
The guy was only banned here about 18 months ago right? A changed person?
Anyway, Illinois is flat.
His words, not mine. Either way, he didn't exhibit much evidence of change off forum by how he acted. I had some fun for a while trolling him with reminders about how flat Illinois is. The last I checked he was on about the supposedly superiority of library architecture in Illinois versus Wisconsin.
LOL, he is probably the only one who actually cares.
I would assume someone who feels they have to defend the perceived honor of Illinois to the last has numerous obtuse beliefs.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 08:44:02 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 08:24:42 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 07:19:15 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 07:14:48 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 06:07:08 PMQuote from: SectorZ on December 08, 2024, 05:30:33 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 08, 2024, 02:31:46 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
It's your "Illinois isn't flat" moment.
Does that mean the "certain people should be forced to wear certain things to identify themselves" is not far down the road?
That particular former user (Crash_It) occasionally was popping up on the Facebook road groups. I asked if he really thought any of us forgot what he said or the things did here. His response was that he was a "changed person." His Facebook page is just as big if not bigger dumpster fire than what he presented here. Once he started going after people for not universally liking Illinois on our page I blocked him.
The guy was only banned here about 18 months ago right? A changed person?
Anyway, Illinois is flat.
His words, not mine. Either way, he didn't exhibit much evidence of change off forum by how he acted. I had some fun for a while trolling him with reminders about how flat Illinois is. The last I checked he was on about the supposedly superiority of library architecture in Illinois versus Wisconsin.
LOL, he is probably the only one who actually cares.
I would assume someone who feels they have to defend the perceived honor of Illinois to the last has numerous obtuse beliefs.
K12 your ideas would be more popular if you didn't have a particular agenda you are always trying to fulfill with every post. Also the longer the quote the happier the goat.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:01:32 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 08:44:02 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 08:24:42 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 07:19:15 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 07:14:48 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 06:07:08 PMQuote from: SectorZ on December 08, 2024, 05:30:33 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 08, 2024, 02:31:46 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
It's your "Illinois isn't flat" moment.
Does that mean the "certain people should be forced to wear certain things to identify themselves" is not far down the road?
That particular former user (Crash_It) occasionally was popping up on the Facebook road groups. I asked if he really thought any of us forgot what he said or the things did here. His response was that he was a "changed person." His Facebook page is just as big if not bigger dumpster fire than what he presented here. Once he started going after people for not universally liking Illinois on our page I blocked him.
The guy was only banned here about 18 months ago right? A changed person?
Anyway, Illinois is flat.
His words, not mine. Either way, he didn't exhibit much evidence of change off forum by how he acted. I had some fun for a while trolling him with reminders about how flat Illinois is. The last I checked he was on about the supposedly superiority of library architecture in Illinois versus Wisconsin.
LOL, he is probably the only one who actually cares.
I would assume someone who feels they have to defend the perceived honor of Illinois to the last has numerous obtuse beliefs.
K12 your ideas would be more popular if you didn't have a particular agenda you are always trying to fulfill with every post. Also the longer the quote the happier the goat.
We always would do well as a forum to sate the bloodlust of Goat Jesus every now and then.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:01:32 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 08:44:02 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 08:24:42 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 07:19:15 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 07:14:48 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 06:07:08 PMQuote from: SectorZ on December 08, 2024, 05:30:33 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 08, 2024, 02:31:46 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
It's your "Illinois isn't flat" moment.
Does that mean the "certain people should be forced to wear certain things to identify themselves" is not far down the road?
That particular former user (Crash_It) occasionally was popping up on the Facebook road groups. I asked if he really thought any of us forgot what he said or the things did here. His response was that he was a "changed person." His Facebook page is just as big if not bigger dumpster fire than what he presented here. Once he started going after people for not universally liking Illinois on our page I blocked him.
The guy was only banned here about 18 months ago right? A changed person?
Anyway, Illinois is flat.
His words, not mine. Either way, he didn't exhibit much evidence of change off forum by how he acted. I had some fun for a while trolling him with reminders about how flat Illinois is. The last I checked he was on about the supposedly superiority of library architecture in Illinois versus Wisconsin.
LOL, he is probably the only one who actually cares.
I would assume someone who feels they have to defend the perceived honor of Illinois to the last has numerous obtuse beliefs.
K12 your ideas would be more popular if you didn't have a particular agenda you are always trying to fulfill with every post. Also the longer the quote the happier the goat.
We always would do well as a forum to sate the bloodlust of Goat Jesus every now and then.
The Goat deserves all glory, and all the long quotes of all goatness.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:22:49 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:01:32 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 08:44:02 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 08:24:42 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 07:19:15 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 07:14:48 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 06:07:08 PMQuote from: SectorZ on December 08, 2024, 05:30:33 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 08, 2024, 02:31:46 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
It's your "Illinois isn't flat" moment.
Does that mean the "certain people should be forced to wear certain things to identify themselves" is not far down the road?
That particular former user (Crash_It) occasionally was popping up on the Facebook road groups. I asked if he really thought any of us forgot what he said or the things did here. His response was that he was a "changed person." His Facebook page is just as big if not bigger dumpster fire than what he presented here. Once he started going after people for not universally liking Illinois on our page I blocked him.
The guy was only banned here about 18 months ago right? A changed person?
Anyway, Illinois is flat.
His words, not mine. Either way, he didn't exhibit much evidence of change off forum by how he acted. I had some fun for a while trolling him with reminders about how flat Illinois is. The last I checked he was on about the supposedly superiority of library architecture in Illinois versus Wisconsin.
LOL, he is probably the only one who actually cares.
I would assume someone who feels they have to defend the perceived honor of Illinois to the last has numerous obtuse beliefs.
K12 your ideas would be more popular if you didn't have a particular agenda you are always trying to fulfill with every post. Also the longer the quote the happier the goat.
We always would do well as a forum to sate the bloodlust of Goat Jesus every now and then.
The Goat deserves all glory, and all the long quotes of all goatness.
This quote pyramid is certainly way less flat than Illinois.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 09:24:04 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:22:49 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:01:32 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 08:44:02 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 08:24:42 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 07:19:15 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 07:14:48 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 06:07:08 PMQuote from: SectorZ on December 08, 2024, 05:30:33 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 08, 2024, 02:31:46 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
It's your "Illinois isn't flat" moment.
Does that mean the "certain people should be forced to wear certain things to identify themselves" is not far down the road?
That particular former user (Crash_It) occasionally was popping up on the Facebook road groups. I asked if he really thought any of us forgot what he said or the things did here. His response was that he was a "changed person." His Facebook page is just as big if not bigger dumpster fire than what he presented here. Once he started going after people for not universally liking Illinois on our page I blocked him.
The guy was only banned here about 18 months ago right? A changed person?
Anyway, Illinois is flat.
His words, not mine. Either way, he didn't exhibit much evidence of change off forum by how he acted. I had some fun for a while trolling him with reminders about how flat Illinois is. The last I checked he was on about the supposedly superiority of library architecture in Illinois versus Wisconsin.
LOL, he is probably the only one who actually cares.
I would assume someone who feels they have to defend the perceived honor of Illinois to the last has numerous obtuse beliefs.
K12 your ideas would be more popular if you didn't have a particular agenda you are always trying to fulfill with every post. Also the longer the quote the happier the goat.
We always would do well as a forum to sate the bloodlust of Goat Jesus every now and then.
The Goat deserves all glory, and all the long quotes of all goatness.
This quote pyramid is certainly way less flat than Illinois.
Wonder what's the longest a pyramid can go before it crashes AAroads?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:28:47 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 09:24:04 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:22:49 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:01:32 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 08:44:02 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 08:24:42 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 07:19:15 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 07:14:48 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 06:07:08 PMQuote from: SectorZ on December 08, 2024, 05:30:33 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 08, 2024, 02:31:46 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
It's your "Illinois isn't flat" moment.
Does that mean the "certain people should be forced to wear certain things to identify themselves" is not far down the road?
That particular former user (Crash_It) occasionally was popping up on the Facebook road groups. I asked if he really thought any of us forgot what he said or the things did here. His response was that he was a "changed person." His Facebook page is just as big if not bigger dumpster fire than what he presented here. Once he started going after people for not universally liking Illinois on our page I blocked him.
The guy was only banned here about 18 months ago right? A changed person?
Anyway, Illinois is flat.
His words, not mine. Either way, he didn't exhibit much evidence of change off forum by how he acted. I had some fun for a while trolling him with reminders about how flat Illinois is. The last I checked he was on about the supposedly superiority of library architecture in Illinois versus Wisconsin.
LOL, he is probably the only one who actually cares.
I would assume someone who feels they have to defend the perceived honor of Illinois to the last has numerous obtuse beliefs.
K12 your ideas would be more popular if you didn't have a particular agenda you are always trying to fulfill with every post. Also the longer the quote the happier the goat.
We always would do well as a forum to sate the bloodlust of Goat Jesus every now and then.
The Goat deserves all glory, and all the long quotes of all goatness.
This quote pyramid is certainly way less flat than Illinois.
Wonder what's the longest a pyramid can go before it crashes AAroads?
How many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 07:19:15 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 07:14:48 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 06:07:08 PMQuote from: SectorZ on December 08, 2024, 05:30:33 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 08, 2024, 02:31:46 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
It's your "Illinois isn't flat" moment.
Does that mean the "certain people should be forced to wear certain things to identify themselves" is not far down the road?
That particular former user (Crash_It) occasionally was popping up on the Facebook road groups. I asked if he really thought any of us forgot what he said or the things did here. His response was that he was a "changed person." His Facebook page is just as big if not bigger dumpster fire than what he presented here. Once he started going after people for not universally liking Illinois on our page I blocked him.
The guy was only banned here about 18 months ago right? A changed person?
Anyway, Illinois is flat.
His words, not mine. Either way, he didn't exhibit much evidence of change off forum by how he acted. I had some fun for a while trolling him with reminders about how flat Illinois is. The last I checked he was on about the supposedly superiority of library architecture in Illinois versus Wisconsin.
Having lived in both states, their library architecture has always seemed pretty similar as far as I can tell. Chicago and Milwaukee both have very nice main libraries.
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 08, 2024, 09:46:51 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:28:47 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 09:24:04 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:22:49 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:01:32 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 08:44:02 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 08:24:42 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 07:19:15 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 07:14:48 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 06:07:08 PMQuote from: SectorZ on December 08, 2024, 05:30:33 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 08, 2024, 02:31:46 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
It's your "Illinois isn't flat" moment.
Does that mean the "certain people should be forced to wear certain things to identify themselves" is not far down the road?
That particular former user (Crash_It) occasionally was popping up on the Facebook road groups. I asked if he really thought any of us forgot what he said or the things did here. His response was that he was a "changed person." His Facebook page is just as big if not bigger dumpster fire than what he presented here. Once he started going after people for not universally liking Illinois on our page I blocked him.
The guy was only banned here about 18 months ago right? A changed person?
Anyway, Illinois is flat.
His words, not mine. Either way, he didn't exhibit much evidence of change off forum by how he acted. I had some fun for a while trolling him with reminders about how flat Illinois is. The last I checked he was on about the supposedly superiority of library architecture in Illinois versus Wisconsin.
LOL, he is probably the only one who actually cares.
I would assume someone who feels they have to defend the perceived honor of Illinois to the last has numerous obtuse beliefs.
K12 your ideas would be more popular if you didn't have a particular agenda you are always trying to fulfill with every post. Also the longer the quote the happier the goat.
We always would do well as a forum to sate the bloodlust of Goat Jesus every now and then.
The Goat deserves all glory, and all the long quotes of all goatness.
This quote pyramid is certainly way less flat than Illinois.
Wonder what's the longest a pyramid can go before it crashes AAroads?
How many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop?
Clearly not enough yet. Let's find out!
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 10:26:32 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on December 08, 2024, 09:46:51 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:28:47 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 09:24:04 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:22:49 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:01:32 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 08:44:02 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 08:24:42 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 07:19:15 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 07:14:48 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 06:07:08 PMQuote from: SectorZ on December 08, 2024, 05:30:33 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 08, 2024, 02:31:46 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
It's your "Illinois isn't flat" moment.
Does that mean the "certain people should be forced to wear certain things to identify themselves" is not far down the road?
That particular former user (Crash_It) occasionally was popping up on the Facebook road groups. I asked if he really thought any of us forgot what he said or the things did here. His response was that he was a "changed person." His Facebook page is just as big if not bigger dumpster fire than what he presented here. Once he started going after people for not universally liking Illinois on our page I blocked him.
The guy was only banned here about 18 months ago right? A changed person?
Anyway, Illinois is flat.
His words, not mine. Either way, he didn't exhibit much evidence of change off forum by how he acted. I had some fun for a while trolling him with reminders about how flat Illinois is. The last I checked he was on about the supposedly superiority of library architecture in Illinois versus Wisconsin.
LOL, he is probably the only one who actually cares.
I would assume someone who feels they have to defend the perceived honor of Illinois to the last has numerous obtuse beliefs.
K12 your ideas would be more popular if you didn't have a particular agenda you are always trying to fulfill with every post. Also the longer the quote the happier the goat.
We always would do well as a forum to sate the bloodlust of Goat Jesus every now and then.
The Goat deserves all glory, and all the long quotes of all goatness.
This quote pyramid is certainly way less flat than Illinois.
Wonder what's the longest a pyramid can go before it crashes AAroads?
How many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop?
Clearly not enough yet. Let's find out!
Yummy goat 🐐🐐🐐
Quote from: NE2 on December 08, 2024, 11:27:38 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 10:26:32 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on December 08, 2024, 09:46:51 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:28:47 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 09:24:04 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:22:49 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:01:32 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 08:44:02 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 08:24:42 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 07:19:15 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 07:14:48 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 06:07:08 PMQuote from: SectorZ on December 08, 2024, 05:30:33 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 08, 2024, 02:31:46 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
It's your "Illinois isn't flat" moment.
Does that mean the "certain people should be forced to wear certain things to identify themselves" is not far down the road?
That particular former user (Crash_It) occasionally was popping up on the Facebook road groups. I asked if he really thought any of us forgot what he said or the things did here. His response was that he was a "changed person." His Facebook page is just as big if not bigger dumpster fire than what he presented here. Once he started going after people for not universally liking Illinois on our page I blocked him.
The guy was only banned here about 18 months ago right? A changed person?
Anyway, Illinois is flat.
His words, not mine. Either way, he didn't exhibit much evidence of change off forum by how he acted. I had some fun for a while trolling him with reminders about how flat Illinois is. The last I checked he was on about the supposedly superiority of library architecture in Illinois versus Wisconsin.
LOL, he is probably the only one who actually cares.
I would assume someone who feels they have to defend the perceived honor of Illinois to the last has numerous obtuse beliefs.
K12 your ideas would be more popular if you didn't have a particular agenda you are always trying to fulfill with every post. Also the longer the quote the happier the goat.
We always would do well as a forum to sate the bloodlust of Goat Jesus every now and then.
The Goat deserves all glory, and all the long quotes of all goatness.
This quote pyramid is certainly way less flat than Illinois.
Wonder what's the longest a pyramid can go before it crashes AAroads?
How many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop?
Clearly not enough yet. Let's find out!
Yummy goat 🐐🐐🐐
I love to eat goat meat! But I'm legally obligated to hate it to avoid being chased out/locked in of Alanland.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 11:52:37 PMQuote from: NE2 on December 08, 2024, 11:27:38 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 10:26:32 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on December 08, 2024, 09:46:51 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:28:47 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 09:24:04 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:22:49 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2024, 09:01:32 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 08:44:02 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 08:24:42 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 07:19:15 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on December 08, 2024, 07:14:48 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 08, 2024, 06:07:08 PMQuote from: SectorZ on December 08, 2024, 05:30:33 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 08, 2024, 02:31:46 PMQuote from: kernals12 on December 07, 2024, 11:07:51 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:56:00 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:52:37 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2024, 04:47:52 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2024, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: Voyager on December 06, 2024, 01:20:51 PMQuote from: Rothman on December 05, 2024, 08:11:55 PMHearing m.t.r. called a "board" is a bit...off-putting.
Look it's been...15 years? I'm getting old over here :ded:
I believe in a month or 2 it will be the 16th anniversary of the forum. It will be old enough to drive.
But will opt not to until a far older age in favor of transit.
K12 in shambles
I think the forum has made it pretty clear that it doesn't want the 150 MPH AI car.
I've had many admittedly out-of-the-box ideas, why do you keep coming back to that one?
It's your "Illinois isn't flat" moment.
Does that mean the "certain people should be forced to wear certain things to identify themselves" is not far down the road?
That particular former user (Crash_It) occasionally was popping up on the Facebook road groups. I asked if he really thought any of us forgot what he said or the things did here. His response was that he was a "changed person." His Facebook page is just as big if not bigger dumpster fire than what he presented here. Once he started going after people for not universally liking Illinois on our page I blocked him.
The guy was only banned here about 18 months ago right? A changed person?
Anyway, Illinois is flat.
His words, not mine. Either way, he didn't exhibit much evidence of change off forum by how he acted. I had some fun for a while trolling him with reminders about how flat Illinois is. The last I checked he was on about the supposedly superiority of library architecture in Illinois versus Wisconsin.
LOL, he is probably the only one who actually cares.
I would assume someone who feels they have to defend the perceived honor of Illinois to the last has numerous obtuse beliefs.
K12 your ideas would be more popular if you didn't have a particular agenda you are always trying to fulfill with every post. Also the longer the quote the happier the goat.
We always would do well as a forum to sate the bloodlust of Goat Jesus every now and then.
The Goat deserves all glory, and all the long quotes of all goatness.
This quote pyramid is certainly way less flat than Illinois.
Wonder what's the longest a pyramid can go before it crashes AAroads?
How many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop?
Clearly not enough yet. Let's find out!
Yummy goat 🐐🐐🐐
I love to eat goat meat! But I'm legally obligated to hate it to avoid being chased out/locked in of Alanland.
Be happy about that, I haven't either.
LONGER THE QUOTE.
let's not