What is in store for the NFL MMXXV season?
The Draft in a few weeks.
:cool:
Mike
More playoff heartbreak for the Buffalo Bills.
It's the year of the Dallas Cowboys again.
Maybe it's time for the NFL to relocate a well-loved, historic franchise like the Dolphins to Toronto. After all, it's the "National" Football League, right???
(Roger Goodell, if you're seeing this, please don't do this. I'm not a Dolphins fan but nobody likes the Chargers in LA or the "Oakland" Raiders in Vegas.)
((Goodell probably cares more about an 18 game regular season than league expansion TBH because $$$.))
Quote from: noelbotevera on February 26, 2025, 11:26:10 PMMaybe it's time for the NFL to relocate a well-loved, historic franchise like the Dolphins to Toronto. After all, it's the "National" Football League, right???
(Roger Goodell, if you're seeing this, please don't do this. I'm not a Dolphins fan but nobody likes the Chargers in LA or the "Oakland" Raiders in Vegas.)
((Goodell probably cares more about an 18 game regular season than league expansion TBH because $$$.))
Maybe they can absorb the CFL teams, and then we'd have all four of the major pro leagues with teams north of the border!
I remember when nobody liked the L.A. Rams in St. Louis, so they were moved back to their rightful home. It may not be their original city (Cleveland is), but it's the one that makes the most sense.
On a more serious note, the league is perfect where it is now, so if I were Goodell, I would prioritize the 18-game schedule over expansion.
Quote from: Henry on February 27, 2025, 10:51:25 PMQuote from: noelbotevera on February 26, 2025, 11:26:10 PMMaybe it's time for the NFL to relocate a well-loved, historic franchise like the Dolphins to Toronto. After all, it's the "National" Football League, right???
(Roger Goodell, if you're seeing this, please don't do this. I'm not a Dolphins fan but nobody likes the Chargers in LA or the "Oakland" Raiders in Vegas.)
((Goodell probably cares more about an 18 game regular season than league expansion TBH because $$$.))
Maybe they can absorb the CFL teams, and then we'd have all four of the major pro leagues with teams north of the border!
I remember when nobody liked the L.A. Rams in St. Louis, so they were moved back to their rightful home. It may not be their original city (Cleveland is), but it's the one that makes the most sense.
On a more serious note, the league is perfect where it is now, so if I were Goodell, I would prioritize the 18-game schedule over expansion.
You can't hold cities hostage for new and improved stadiums if teams don't have options to skip town for somewhere else.
Regardless, the NFL doesn't really need more teams because so much of the revenue is based on media rights versus game attendance. And while an extra game or two a week will result in more media money, that money will need to be shared with two additional franchises. It's easier to create that revenue with an additional week - and maybe a second bye.
Anyway, I don't mind the Las Vegas Raiders. The Oakland Colesium had become a terrible NFL venue.
Having Deebo Samuel in Landover could be either fun or boring.
Quote from: ZLoth on February 26, 2025, 10:27:26 AMWhat is in store for the NFL MMXXV season?
Perhaps the Texans can tie their franchise record 12 wins this fall (
slightly less difficult schedule than last season -- slightly is the key word).
The Bears aren't messing around with Ben Johnson at the helm, trading for two guards in two days to help protect Caleb Williams.
https://www.nfl.com/news/joe-thuney-bears-chiefs-trade
From Bleacher Report:
Jimmy Johnson Retires from NFL on Fox Role; Won 2 Super Bowls as Cowboys HCQuoteHall of Fame head coach Jimmy Johnson announced Monday he's retiring from his on-air role with Fox Sports.
Johnson said on The Herd with Colin Cowherd he has contemplated stepping away from broadcasting "for the last four or five years" and decided it's the right time.
FULL ARTICLE HERE (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25166347-jimmy-johnson-retires-nfl-fox-role-won-2-super-bowls-cowboys-hc)
Now, all we need is Terry Bradshaw to retire as well. I like both Jimmy and Terry, but I also think that age is catching up to Terry as well.
Geno Smith has been traded from the Seahawks to the Raiders.
Devante Adams signs a 2-year contract with the Rams.
And the Steelers get DK Metcalf from the Seahawks...
Right now I consider it way better than even that Aaron Rodgers will be out of the NFL after the current round of free agency is complete (but you never know if a team is THAT desperate for an 'experienced' quarterback).
Mike
QB Justin Fields going to the Jets for a 2-year, $40 million contract...
Quote from: mgk920 on March 10, 2025, 09:13:35 AMRight now I consider it way better than even that Aaron Rodgers will be out of the NFL after the current round of free agency is complete (but you never know if a team is THAT desperate for an 'experienced' quarterback).
Mike
He's going to either Pittsburgh or the Giants.
I'll be curious what the Bears do with the 10th pick now that the O-line has gotten a good overhaul.
My Vikings are being very active in free agency for the interior of both the offensive and defensive lines. Also signed two corners. This is my ideal kind of free agency window. We also let Darnold walk so that we could actually afford those players. Had we signed him, most of those signings would have been impossible under the cap.
Would really love to hear Kenny Pickett's honest thoughts about having to be in a QB room with Deshaun Watson.
Quote from: ET21 on March 11, 2025, 10:29:02 AMI'll be curious what the Bears do with the 10th pick now that the O-line has gotten a good overhaul.
Better be DT, DE or OT. They are pretty well set everywhere else. Need one more WR but you can get good ones in the 2nd-3rd rounds.
Figured it should be mentioned that the NFL's postseason overtime rule allowing both teams to possess the ball in overtime is being expanded to the regular season, among other rule changes: https://apnews.com/article/nfl-rules-explainer-kickoff-05f6952530dbcc772f62190cad9d1ad6
And it makes sense. Once the chance was implemented without issue in the postseason, it seemed pretty much inevitable that it would eventually be implemented in the regular season too.
My sports hot take is that ties are fine in the NFL. So the each team guaranteed a possession and a ten minute OT works for me.
There are ways to avoid complicated overtime rules in any sport.
- Continue as if the game didn't end. The next team to score wins. (Baseball: already done as much as inning structure allows. Soccer and hockey: already done, and I support hockey's 3-on-3 rule. Basketball: no break after the timer hits 0; just continue play that will likely last under two minutes. Football: no break after the timer hits 0 except for a possible commercial break, and the ball position doesn't reset.)
- Whoever was most recently ahead wins if there's a tie when the timer hits 0. Only works for games that never end 0-0; football, basketball, lacrosse, and handball would all work with this rule.
- Tie. Ideally 1/3 of a win rather than 1/2 to discourage draw by agreement.
Quote from: hotdogPi on April 03, 2025, 09:24:35 AMThere are ways to avoid complicated overtime rules in any sport.
- Continue as if the game didn't end. The next team to score wins. (Baseball: already done as much as inning structure allows. Soccer and hockey: already done, and I support hockey's 3-on-3 rule. Basketball: no break after the timer hits 0; just continue play that will likely last under two minutes. Football: no break after the timer hits 0 except for a possible commercial break, and the ball position doesn't reset.)
- Whoever was most recently ahead wins if there's a tie when the timer hits 0. Only works for games that never end 0-0; football, basketball, lacrosse, and handball would all work with this rule.
- Tie. Ideally 1/3 of a win rather than 1/2 to discourage draw by agreement.
I think soccer generally has it right with 3 points for a win and 1 point for a tie...er...draw.
The NBA and MLB simply don't have ties. The NFL does, which is why I don't think its that big of a deal when a game ends this way.
I actually like the new OT rules, where the team that lost the coin toss should get one chance to match the TD if the team that won the coin toss scored on their initial possession, then sudden death. If the second offense fails to match the TD, then the game is over.
As for the playoff revision proposed by the Detroit Lions, I actually like the idea of better record host the playoff game in the Wild Card game....it is that way in the remaining rounds of the playoffs (before the Super Bowl) where better record hosts the game.
Quote from: jgb191 on April 03, 2025, 09:44:30 AMAs for the playoff revision proposed by the Detroit Lions, I actually like the idea of better record host the playoff game in the Wild Card game....it is that way in the remaining rounds of the playoffs (before the Super Bowl) where better record hosts the game.
I have mixed feelings about this only because divisions and division rivalries are partly what make the NFL stand out from other sports, and this would significantly reduce the importance of winning the division.
Quote from: jgb191 on April 03, 2025, 09:44:30 AMI actually like the new OT rules, where the team that lost the coin toss should get one chance to match the TD if the team that won the coin toss scored on their initial possession, then sudden death. If the second offense fails to match the TD, then the game is over.
As for the playoff revision proposed by the Detroit Lions, I actually like the idea of better record host the playoff game in the Wild Card game....it is that way in the remaining rounds of the playoffs (before the Super Bowl) where better record hosts the game.
I prefer eliminating overtime completely by adopting a modified soccer points system.
3 points for a win. However, instead of giving each team 1 point for a tie, the team that was most recently ahead gets 2 points and the other team 1 point. (There hasn't been a 0-0 tie in decades, but just in case each team would only get 1 point.)
Makes late game strategy really fun.
Quote from: jgb191 on April 03, 2025, 09:44:30 AMI actually like the new OT rules, where the team that lost the coin toss should get one chance to match the TD if the team that won the coin toss scored on their initial possession, then sudden death. If the second offense fails to match the TD, then the game is over.
As for the playoff revision proposed by the Detroit Lions, I actually like the idea of better record host the playoff game in the Wild Card game....it is that way in the remaining rounds of the playoffs (before the Super Bowl) where better record hosts the game.
Agreed. I also think that if a division winner can't get to .500, they shouldn't qualify for the playoffs. That means an additional wild card team qualifies instead. (Unless there are no other wild card teams .500 or above.)
I want the Elam ending.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 03, 2025, 12:04:11 PMI want the Elam ending.
After watching a few games with this...it really wasn't that great. I think there are better ways to speed up the end of basketball games anyway.
Quote from: jgb191 on April 03, 2025, 09:44:30 AMit is that way in the remaining rounds of the playoffs (before the Super Bowl) where better record hosts the game.
Higher seed always hosts. The 10-7 Rams would have hosted the NFC title game vs. 12-5 Washington if they beat the Eagles.
The last time the home team had the worse record in a non-wild card playoff game was the 2018 AFC divisional, where the 12-4 Chargers visited the 11-5 Patriots.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 03, 2025, 12:04:11 PMI want the Elam ending.
In football? God no.
Quote from: thspfc on April 03, 2025, 12:25:11 PMHigher seed always hosts. The 10-7 Rams would have hosted the NFC title game vs. 12-5 Washington if they beat the Eagles.
Would have to have been played elsewhere though, likely Arizona.
Quote from: thspfc on April 03, 2025, 12:25:11 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on April 03, 2025, 12:04:11 PMI want the Elam ending.
In football? God no.
T'was a joke. Obviously not enough scoring in football to even do a variation of it.
Quote from: webny99 on April 03, 2025, 08:45:56 AMFigured it should be mentioned that the NFL's postseason overtime rule allowing both teams to possess the ball in overtime is being expanded to the regular season, among other rule changes: https://apnews.com/article/nfl-rules-explainer-kickoff-05f6952530dbcc772f62190cad9d1ad6
And it makes sense. Once the chance was implemented without issue in the postseason, it seemed pretty much inevitable that it would eventually be implemented in the regular season too.
I also note that a touchback will now be placed on the 35 YL instead of the 30, this to discourage kickers from booming the ball into the end zone (It should be placed on the 40 - MGK).
Mike
If you want to stress winning the division, how about this: After the final week of the regular season, the following weekend the top seed in each division would host the second-best record in the division (instead of a second-place team in another division) in a Division Championship Game. The winner of all those games would be officially crowned Division Champions and advance to the second round. Then seed each of those winners according to regular season records and tiebreaker rules: the best record would host the 4th best and the 2nd best record-holder would host the 3rd best. The winner of those two games would meet in the Conference Championship Game and the team with the better record hosts that game.
This idea I really think truly emphasizes winning the division, while still rewarding better records all the way through. Personally I prefer division winner only clinch playoff spots and seed playoff teams according to best regular season records; the best seven records in each conference makes the playoffs....if three teams in one division (NFC North & AFC West) are among the top seven records and all three are in the playoffs.
Quote from: jgb191 on April 03, 2025, 09:44:30 AMAs for the playoff revision proposed by the Detroit Lions,
NFL teams sure do love advocating for playoff rule changes when they're inconvenienced.
Quote from: jgb191 on April 03, 2025, 01:36:33 PMIf you want to stress winning the division, how about this: After the final week of the regular season, the following weekend the top seed in each division would host the second-best record in the division (instead of a second-place team in another division) in a Division Championship Game. The winner of all those games would be officially crowned Division Champions and advance to the second round. Then seed each of those winners according to regular season records and tiebreaker rules: the best record would host the 4th best and the 2nd best record-holder would host the 3rd best. The winner of those two games would meet in the Conference Championship Game and the team with the better record hosts that game.
This idea I really think truly emphasizes winning the division, while still rewarding better records all the way through. Personally I prefer division winner only clinch playoff spots and seed playoff teams according to best regular season records; the best seven records in each conference makes the playoffs....if three teams in one division (NFC North & AFC West) are among the top seven records and all three are in the playoffs.
I, for one, am not all that impressed by a division championship. They only have four teams each, which is convenient for scheduling purposes, but outside of that is rather meaningless. So cool... you are one of the 25% of teams who won their division. Tremendous accomplishment... :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
The Packers have won their division 21 times. You won't find reference to that anywhere inside of Lambeau Field.
Here would be a fun way to shake things up and also make winning divisions more of an accomplishment.
1) Eliminate conferences.
2) Merge the geographic partner divisions to create four 8-team divisions.
3) Each year, you play your original division opponents 2x each and the other teams 1x each. The other 7 opponents are out of division (several options for structuring this).
4) The best record, after applying tiebreakers, is the division champion and gets a playoff seed of 1-4.
5) The best record FROM THE OPPOSING GROUP OF FOUR, after applying tiebreakers, in each division is the division sub-champion and gets a playoff seed of 5-8.
6) The next 6 best records, after applying tiebreakers, get playoff seeds 9-14.
Seeds 1-2 get byes. First round games match 3 vs 14, 4 vs 13, etc. No re-seeding after the first round.
Quote from: jgb191 on April 03, 2025, 01:36:33 PMIf you want to stress winning the division, how about this: After the final week of the regular season, the following weekend the top seed in each division would host the second-best record in the division (instead of a second-place team in another division) in a Division Championship Game. The winner of all those games would be officially crowned Division Champions and advance to the second round. Then seed each of those winners according to regular season records and tiebreaker rules: the best record would host the 4th best and the 2nd best record-holder would host the 3rd best. The winner of those two games would meet in the Conference Championship Game and the team with the better record hosts that game.
This idea I really think truly emphasizes winning the division, while still rewarding better records all the way through. Personally I prefer division winner only clinch playoff spots and seed playoff teams according to best regular season records; the best seven records in each conference makes the playoffs....if three teams in one division (NFC North & AFC West) are among the top seven records and all three are in the playoffs.
This is too far in the opposite direction - it puts too much emphasis on divisions.
Looking at last season, the Lions would have hosted the Vikings for the second week in a row, and the Bucs would have played the Falcons for a spot in the next round while the Packers sat at home. I know all those teams went one and done anyway, but that doesn't make it less absurd. And the NFC championship would have happened in the "division championship" instead.
As long as we're throwing out proposals to "fix" the playoffs, I'll cast my vote for changing nothing.
Here is a fun fact regarding sports and Pope Francis:
During Pope Francis' time as Pope (about the last 12 years), Every MLB, NBA, and NFL sports team has played in at least ONE post-season playoff game...
EXCEPT for one...
The New York Jets.
Quote from: thenetwork on April 22, 2025, 10:38:34 PMHere is a fun fact regarding sports and Pope Francis:
During Pope Francis' time as Pope (about the last 12 years), Every MLB, NBA, and NFL sports team has played in at least ONE post-season playoff game...
EXCEPT for one...
The New York Jets.
That excludes the NHL and the Sabres, but pathetic nonetheless.
In addition to the Jets, three other NFL teams hadn't won a playoff game during the tenure of Pope Francis: the Dolphins, Raiders, and Bears. In the Dolphins' and Raiders' cases, you have to go all the way back to John Paul II.
Quote from: jlam on April 22, 2025, 11:51:31 PMQuote from: thenetwork on April 22, 2025, 10:38:34 PMHere is a fun fact regarding sports and Pope Francis:
During Pope Francis' time as Pope (about the last 12 years), Every MLB, NBA, and NFL sports team has played in at least ONE post-season playoff game...
EXCEPT for one...
The New York Jets.
That excludes the NHL and the Sabres, but pathetic nonetheless.
In addition to the Jets, three other NFL teams hadn't won a playoff game during the tenure of Pope Francis: the Dolphins, Raiders, and Bears. In the Dolphins' and Raiders' cases, you have to go all the way back to John Paul II.
So 122 out of 124 teams from those leagues have participated in the playoffs...which further proves that it really sucks to be a Jets, and Sabres, fan; however, because I'm a Bears fan, the fact that they're one of three teams to not get a playoff win makes the rooting experience extra painful, but at least they were able to win while Benedict XVI was the pope.
Quote from: thenetwork on April 22, 2025, 10:38:34 PMDuring Pope Francis' time as Pope (about the last 12 years), Every MLB, NBA, and NFL sports team has played in at least ONE post-season playoff game...
EXCEPT for one...
The New York Jets.
Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_franchise_post-season_droughts, the following NFL teams did not have a post-season WIN during Pope Francis tenure: Miami Dolphins (2000 AFC Wild Card), Las Vegas Raiders (2002 AFC Championship as the Oakland Raiders), and Chicago Bears (2010 NFC Divisional).
Quote from: ZLoth on April 23, 2025, 08:39:34 AMQuote from: thenetwork on April 22, 2025, 10:38:34 PMDuring Pope Francis' time as Pope (about the last 12 years), Every MLB, NBA, and NFL sports team has played in at least ONE post-season playoff game...
EXCEPT for one...
The New York Jets.
Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_franchise_post-season_droughts, the following NFL teams did not have a post-season WIN during Pope Francis tenure: Miami Dolphins (2000 AFC Wild Card), Las Vegas Raiders (2002 AFC Championship as the Oakland Raiders), and Chicago Bears (2010 NFC Divisional).
jlam beat you to it two posts up.
Steve McMichael lost his battle with ALS today. X-(
Jaguars made quite the bold move trading for #2 overall and drafting someone other than a QB.
Lions make history, becoming the first team to make -1 selections in the first round. They un-drafted the 12th man on the field vs Washington.
Have to rant for a sec after seeing internet discourse: how on God's green earth is it still a popular opinion that the AFC is better than the NFC? The NFC went 47-33 vs the AFC last year and won the Super Bowl in a blowout.
Quote from: thspfc on May 02, 2025, 05:46:28 PMHave to rant for a sec after seeing internet discourse: how on God's green earth is it still a popular opinion that the AFC is better than the NFC? The NFC went 47-33 vs the AFC last year and won the Super Bowl in a blowout.
It's well past time to get rid of the AFC and NFC.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 02, 2025, 05:51:49 PMQuote from: thspfc on May 02, 2025, 05:46:28 PMHave to rant for a sec after seeing internet discourse: how on God's green earth is it still a popular opinion that the AFC is better than the NFC? The NFC went 47-33 vs the AFC last year and won the Super Bowl in a blowout.
It's well past time to get rid of the AFC and NFC.
Why?
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 02, 2025, 06:57:45 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on May 02, 2025, 05:51:49 PMQuote from: thspfc on May 02, 2025, 05:46:28 PMHave to rant for a sec after seeing internet discourse: how on God's green earth is it still a popular opinion that the AFC is better than the NFC? The NFC went 47-33 vs the AFC last year and won the Super Bowl in a blowout.
It's well past time to get rid of the AFC and NFC.
Why?
There's no point really. The conferences aren't geographic like the NBA and NHL. Outside of your own division, you play 6 games against your own conference and 5 against the other, so we might as well be measuring teams against the entire league instead of by conference. Just have 8 divisions and seed the division winners 1-8.
Quote from: thspfc on May 02, 2025, 05:46:28 PMHave to rant for a sec after seeing internet discourse: how on God's green earth is it still a popular opinion that the AFC is better than the NFC? The NFC went 47-33 vs the AFC last year and won the Super Bowl in a blowout.
Quarterbacks, which a lot of people seem to think are the only position in football nowadays.
Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay has died at age 65.
https://cbs4indy.com/sports/colts/colts-owner-jim-irsay-passes-away/
The circus' next stop is in Pittsburgh. Rodgers to sign there tomorrow.
Ah, that's one way to ensure a losing season so Mike Tomlin gets fired.
Thank god Aaron Rodgers is not on the Texans schedule this year. My team is 1-5 all-time record against any team with him on the roster; and winless when he's actually starting. After the 2008 win at Lambeau Field, the Texans lost their last five games against Aaron Rodgers.
Quote from: jgb191 on June 06, 2025, 12:38:11 AMThank god Aaron Rodgers is not on the Texans schedule this year. My team is 1-5 all-time record against any team with him on the roster; and winless when he's actually starting. After the 2008 win at Lambeau Field, the Texans lost their last five games against Aaron Rodgers.
By this point he is a mediocre quarterback with flashes of his old self at times.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 06, 2025, 07:23:43 AMQuote from: jgb191 on June 06, 2025, 12:38:11 AMThank god Aaron Rodgers is not on the Texans schedule this year. My team is 1-5 all-time record against any team with him on the roster; and winless when he's actually starting. After the 2008 win at Lambeau Field, the Texans lost their last five games against Aaron Rodgers.
By this point he is a mediocre quarterback with flashes of his old self at times.
They said that when he first joined the Jets. I don't know what it is, but he always saves his best games against the Texans (and Lions).
Quote from: jgb191 on June 06, 2025, 10:29:52 AMQuote from: SEWIGuy on June 06, 2025, 07:23:43 AMQuote from: jgb191 on June 06, 2025, 12:38:11 AMThank god Aaron Rodgers is not on the Texans schedule this year. My team is 1-5 all-time record against any team with him on the roster; and winless when he's actually starting. After the 2008 win at Lambeau Field, the Texans lost their last five games against Aaron Rodgers.
By this point he is a mediocre quarterback with flashes of his old self at times.
They said that when he first joined the Jets. I don't know what it is, but he always saves his best games against the Texans (and Lions).
He didn't look so great against the Lions in his last game in Green Bay.
Quote from: jgb191 on June 06, 2025, 10:29:52 AMQuote from: SEWIGuy on June 06, 2025, 07:23:43 AMQuote from: jgb191 on June 06, 2025, 12:38:11 AMThank god Aaron Rodgers is not on the Texans schedule this year. My team is 1-5 all-time record against any team with him on the roster; and winless when he's actually starting. After the 2008 win at Lambeau Field, the Texans lost their last five games against Aaron Rodgers.
By this point he is a mediocre quarterback with flashes of his old self at times.
They said that when he first joined the Jets. I don't know what it is, but he always saves his best games against the Texans (and Lions).
He was worse than that when he was with the Jets.
https://www.livenowfox.com/news/trump-threatens-washington-commanders-stadium-deal-team-doesnt-switch-back-old-name
Here's a crazy way to start the NFL Season and it's this.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-demands-washington-commanders-reverse-change-threatens-facilitate/story?id=123921777
Quote from: bing101 on July 21, 2025, 12:10:52 PMhttps://www.livenowfox.com/news/trump-threatens-washington-commanders-stadium-deal-team-doesnt-switch-back-old-name
Here's a crazy way to start the NFL Season and it's this.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-demands-washington-commanders-reverse-change-threatens-facilitate/story?id=123921777
Not surprising that the most racist POTUS since the 1960s Civil Rights movement wants them and the Cleveland Guardians to go back to their former racist names.
How many of you plan to watch the Hall-of-Fame Game between the Detroit Lions and the Los Angeles Chargers on Thursday (8PM Eastern on NBC)? I know I'll be watching!
From Front Office Sports:
Chargers Sued by Season-Ticket Holder Over Game Moved to Brazil
A fan lawsuit seeks a refund for a Chargers home game that was moved to Brazil.QuoteThe Chargers are being sued by a season-ticket holder over the team's opener in Brazil.
The plaintiff, Devin Abney, accuses the Chargers of breach of contract and false advertising. The complaint, filed in Los Angeles County Superior Court on Friday, included graphics that display the Chiefs logo in a 2025 season-ticket advertisement as a home game, months before the game was moved to Brazil.
FULL ARTICLE HERE (https://frontofficesports.com/chargers-sued-by-season-ticket-holder-over-game-moved-to-brazil/)
Quote from: ZLoth on July 30, 2025, 07:30:08 AMFrom Front Office Sports:
Chargers Sued by Season-Ticket Holder Over Game Moved to Brazil
A fan lawsuit seeks a refund for a Chargers home game that was moved to Brazil.QuoteThe Chargers are being sued by a season-ticket holder over the team's opener in Brazil.
The plaintiff, Devin Abney, accuses the Chargers of breach of contract and false advertising. The complaint, filed in Los Angeles County Superior Court on Friday, included graphics that display the Chiefs logo in a 2025 season-ticket advertisement as a home game, months before the game was moved to Brazil.
FULL ARTICLE HERE (https://frontofficesports.com/chargers-sued-by-season-ticket-holder-over-game-moved-to-brazil/)
At first I thought this was a bullsh*t suit because the season ticket holder was induced to purchase a season ticket package because of the Chiefs only to have that game moved.
But as I understand it, the Chargers had a home game moved to a neutral site, but aren't reimbursing season ticket holders for the cost of that ticket? That's ridiculous.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 30, 2025, 08:29:30 AMQuote from: ZLoth on July 30, 2025, 07:30:08 AMFrom Front Office Sports:
Chargers Sued by Season-Ticket Holder Over Game Moved to Brazil
A fan lawsuit seeks a refund for a Chargers home game that was moved to Brazil.QuoteThe Chargers are being sued by a season-ticket holder over the team's opener in Brazil.
The plaintiff, Devin Abney, accuses the Chargers of breach of contract and false advertising. The complaint, filed in Los Angeles County Superior Court on Friday, included graphics that display the Chiefs logo in a 2025 season-ticket advertisement as a home game, months before the game was moved to Brazil.
FULL ARTICLE HERE (https://frontofficesports.com/chargers-sued-by-season-ticket-holder-over-game-moved-to-brazil/)
At first I thought this was a bullsh*t suit because the season ticket holder was induced to purchase a season ticket package because of the Chiefs only to have that game moved.
But as I understand it, the Chargers had a home game moved to a neutral site, but aren't reimbursing season ticket holders for the cost of that ticket? That's ridiculous.
Maybe the NFL operates differently, but Notre Dame often plays neutral site games as the home team (2026 at Lambeau) and they don't force us to buy those tickets--they're optional.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on July 30, 2025, 08:35:22 AMQuote from: SEWIGuy on July 30, 2025, 08:29:30 AMQuote from: ZLoth on July 30, 2025, 07:30:08 AMFrom Front Office Sports:
Chargers Sued by Season-Ticket Holder Over Game Moved to Brazil
A fan lawsuit seeks a refund for a Chargers home game that was moved to Brazil.QuoteThe Chargers are being sued by a season-ticket holder over the team's opener in Brazil.
The plaintiff, Devin Abney, accuses the Chargers of breach of contract and false advertising. The complaint, filed in Los Angeles County Superior Court on Friday, included graphics that display the Chiefs logo in a 2025 season-ticket advertisement as a home game, months before the game was moved to Brazil.
FULL ARTICLE HERE (https://frontofficesports.com/chargers-sued-by-season-ticket-holder-over-game-moved-to-brazil/)
At first I thought this was a bullsh*t suit because the season ticket holder was induced to purchase a season ticket package because of the Chiefs only to have that game moved.
But as I understand it, the Chargers had a home game moved to a neutral site, but aren't reimbursing season ticket holders for the cost of that ticket? That's ridiculous.
Maybe the NFL operates differently, but Notre Dame often plays neutral site games as the home team (2026 at Lambeau) and they don't force us to buy those tickets--they're optional.
I don't know if its the NFL, but the Chargers sold a nine-game season ticket package, only to have a game moved. According to the article, teams like the Packers would reimburse ticket holders for the moved game, but the Chargers aren't doing that.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 29, 2025, 08:31:54 PMHow many of you plan to watch the Hall-of-Fame Game between the Detroit Lions and the Los Angeles Chargers on Thursday (8PM Eastern on NBC)? I know I'll be watching!
Maybe? I can't say I'm very invested in pre-season football anymore. The Lions went 4-0 in the pre-season the year they went 0-16 in the regular season.
Yeah, I have little interest in pre-season NFL. I will watch it if I am bored with everything else, but NFL teams are increasingly using the beginning of a long season to ramp themselves up, so its usually a bunch of back-ups and wannabees playing bad football.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 30, 2025, 08:47:53 AMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on July 30, 2025, 08:35:22 AMQuote from: SEWIGuy on July 30, 2025, 08:29:30 AMQuote from: ZLoth on July 30, 2025, 07:30:08 AMFrom Front Office Sports:
Chargers Sued by Season-Ticket Holder Over Game Moved to Brazil
A fan lawsuit seeks a refund for a Chargers home game that was moved to Brazil.QuoteThe Chargers are being sued by a season-ticket holder over the team's opener in Brazil.
The plaintiff, Devin Abney, accuses the Chargers of breach of contract and false advertising. The complaint, filed in Los Angeles County Superior Court on Friday, included graphics that display the Chiefs logo in a 2025 season-ticket advertisement as a home game, months before the game was moved to Brazil.
FULL ARTICLE HERE (https://frontofficesports.com/chargers-sued-by-season-ticket-holder-over-game-moved-to-brazil/)
At first I thought this was a bullsh*t suit because the season ticket holder was induced to purchase a season ticket package because of the Chiefs only to have that game moved.
But as I understand it, the Chargers had a home game moved to a neutral site, but aren't reimbursing season ticket holders for the cost of that ticket? That's ridiculous.
Maybe the NFL operates differently, but Notre Dame often plays neutral site games as the home team (2026 at Lambeau) and they don't force us to buy those tickets--they're optional.
I don't know if its the NFL, but the Chargers sold a nine-game season ticket package, only to have a game moved. According to the article, teams like the Packers would reimburse ticket holders for the moved game, but the Chargers aren't doing that.
Different sport, but the Washington Capitals have moved a preseason game against the Flyers this September from DC to Hershey, Pennsylvania, which is where the Caps' AHL affiliate plays (the Hershey Bears). They're adjusting the cost of season tickets to reflect it; the adjustment shows up via a decrease in the monthly payment for those of us who pay that way. (Their ticket prices for preseason are half of what they charge for regular-season games, at least for season-ticket holders, so we're essentially getting refunded for half a game multiplied by the number of seats on the account.)
If you're paying fewer games at home, you should refund the ticket price for the cancelled game.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 29, 2025, 08:31:54 PMHow many of you plan to watch the Hall-of-Fame Game between the Detroit Lions and the Los Angeles Chargers on Thursday (8PM Eastern on NBC)? I know I'll be watching!
I haven't yet gotten around to watching this past Sunday's F1 race, so I'll probably watch that instead. I'd watch it tonight except that our next-door neighbors, who are moving away this weekend, are coming over for dinner.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 29, 2025, 08:31:54 PMHow many of you plan to watch the Hall-of-Fame Game between the Detroit Lions and the Los Angeles Chargers on Thursday (8PM Eastern on NBC)? I know I'll be watching!
I did not. Unless I go to a preseason game in person, I don't pay attention until my fantasy draft ahead of Week 1
Quote from: ET21 on August 03, 2025, 01:56:44 PMQuote from: The Ghostbuster on July 29, 2025, 08:31:54 PMHow many of you plan to watch the Hall-of-Fame Game between the Detroit Lions and the Los Angeles Chargers on Thursday (8PM Eastern on NBC)? I know I'll be watching!
I did not. Unless I go to a preseason game in person, I don't pay attention until my fantasy draft ahead of Week 1
Turned out there wasn't a point given pretty much none of the starters for both teams played.
I am resurrecting the Against the Spread Pool on Facebook if anyone is interested in joining. It is a free pool for fun and bragging rights. Here's the rules:
You pick the spread winner and you get a fixed amount of points based on the type of game and when it is played.
Spreads:
1. Game spreads are set by Draft Kings by Tuesday evening. If the game does not have a spread by then, I will use either ESPN or CBS Sportsline to get a spread.
2. You pick the winner of the game based on the spread. For example, Dallas at Philadelphia is currently Philly by -6.5. If you pick Philadelphia, the Eagles need to win by 7 points to win. If you pick Dallas, they get 6 points to play with even if they lose the game.
Game Values based on type:
Division games - 3 points
Conference games - 2 points
Non-Conference games - 1 point
Play day/time values (Times are central):
Sunday at Noon and 3:00 PM - face value (single)
Wednesday, Thursday, Friday all day & Sunday 715 PM - double value
Saturday and Monday all day - triple value
International games - double value
The most points a game can be worth is 9 points, Divisional on Monday Night.
3. Pool champion is determined by the number of points earned. If there is a tie, number of weeks won is first followed by overall win loss record.
4. Deadline for picks:
Picks need to be in by 1 hour before the first game of the day. For example, all Sunday games need to be in by 11:00 AM Central Time to count.
This still allows people to make picks for the week even if they miss the Thursday deadline.
5. There is no fee for the pool. I am doing my best to keep it free and fun.
If you are interested, let me know and click on the link for the group.
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YouTube: NFL Rules Changes for the 2025 Season (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BvfF_jLltU)
(The NFL has prohibited embedding of the video outside YouTube).
Whoa. Parsons traded to the Packers.
Seven more days to kickoff...
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 28, 2025, 05:02:27 PMWhoa. Parsons traded to the Packers.
*laughs as a Steelers fan*
Micah Parsons is arguably the best defensive player in the NFL. Since he's going to Green Bay it's making me wonder if the Cowboys could deliberately tank the 2025 season in order to tear down, re-build with more draft picks, etc.
I think Cowboys are cursed as long as Jerry Jones owns the team. It's the Jimmy Johnson curse. They haven't won a Super Bowl since they had a team built by Johnson (Barry Switzer got that ring on Johnson's coat tails).
Jones is just a terrible owner. His desire to be the center of attention and pretend he's a GM who knows something about football, has held the Cowboys back for three decades now.
2 1st road picks, which likely will be mid to late 20s if we don't win the Super Bowl, and an agin Kenny Clark for Micah Parsons?
Done!
Thanks Jerry!
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 29, 2025, 09:17:36 AMJones is just a terrible owner. His desire to be the center of attention and pretend he's a GM who knows something about football, has held the Cowboys back for three decades now.
I still don't get how Jones and the Cowboys organization can continue to coerce the major NFL sports channels into making them the marquee "national" game damn near every week where the whole country has to watch their game.
They claim to be "Americas Team"...
I am an American...
They are NOT my team...
They Suck!!!
Same goes for Wheel of Fortune's claim of being "America's Game".
Because they have a large fanbase, perhaps the largest in the NFL, and it is spread throughout the country.
From Packers fans everywhere, thanks for the gift, Jerry and the Cowboys!
I strongly suspect that the popularity of the Packers will be making major gains in NE Illinois over the coming years, too.
BTW, the Cowboys are Mexico's team.
:-D
Mike
As far as I know my wife's family in Jalisco follows the Rams. Seems it is just the favored team for about 90% of her extended family. It isn't too unusual to see clothing for all sorts of teams in the Guadalajara area.
The Dallas Cowboys do have a big fan base. The team is based in a giant-sized TV viewing market; DFW is the 4th biggest metro in the nation and if growth trends continue it will surpass Chicago to be the 3rd largest metro within the next 10-20 years. The Cowboys do have lots of fans across the rest of Texas and in neighboring states that have no pro football team (Oklahoma, New Mexico). They arguably have the most well-known brand out of any NFL team, despite not having the most Super Bowl titles or NFL Championship titles prior to the Super Bowl era.
I think the Cowboys organization is taking all of that for granted. There is growing ill-will toward the team. They have not won a Super Bowl in going on 30 years. I think the New England Patriots are more deserving of that "America's Team" nickname than anyone else, considering they're called the "Patriots" and they've won the most Super Bowl titles.
Aside from the Cowboys' title drought, the other thing souring people on the Cowboys is they price-gouge the shit out of you if you dare see a game live at "Jerry's World." The tickets, parking fees, a plastic cup of beer and everything else is priced sky high. People have been paying these ridiculous prices and may continue to do so through this season. But if the team can't get its shit together and start winning attendance is going to start dropping. Any NFL coach worth a damn has to think very carefully about taking a coaching job with the Cowboys, due to Jerry Jones' reputation for meddling.
I also wonder what the average age is of a Cowboys fan. I'm middle aged and can still remember watching TV broadcasts of Super Bowls that were won by the Cowboys. Anyone person in their 20's or younger has zero memory of that. Why would anyone that age get vested in following the Cowboys if they don't live near the DFW metro?
Here in Oklahoma we have a lot of football fans who don't give a damn about the Cowboys. They'll either follow the two big NCAA football teams (OU and Oklahoma State) or they'll follow other NFL teams. Here in Lawton we have a good number of Kansas City Chiefs fans since Hall-of-Famer Will Shields attended Lawton High. Any town with a large military population will have fans following a wide variety of teams.
Anyway, this gravy train of ticket and merchandise sales the Cowboys are riding could eventually jump the tracks.
Week 1 Lines are out.
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Quote from: Bobby5280 on August 31, 2025, 02:41:40 PMI think the Cowboys organization is taking all of that for granted. There is growing ill-will toward the team. They have not won a Super Bowl in going on 30 years. I think the New England Patriots are more deserving of that "America's Team" nickname than anyone else, considering they're called the "Patriots" and they've won the most Super Bowl titles.
There are always fans of front running teams like the Patriots...and now the Chiefs...who will move onto the next big team when their current one falls off.
The Cowboys have been big since the 1970s.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 01, 2025, 10:26:14 AMQuote from: Bobby5280 on August 31, 2025, 02:41:40 PMI think the Cowboys organization is taking all of that for granted. There is growing ill-will toward the team. They have not won a Super Bowl in going on 30 years. I think the New England Patriots are more deserving of that "America's Team" nickname than anyone else, considering they're called the "Patriots" and they've won the most Super Bowl titles.
There are always fans of front running teams like the Patriots...and now the Chiefs...who will move onto the next big team when their current one falls off.
The Cowboys have been big since the 1970s.
A lot of that is because of the cheerleaders. That fad has long wore off, IMO, as there are very attractive cheerleaders for other NFL teams as well.
Quote from: thenetwork on September 01, 2025, 04:52:31 PMA lot of that is because of the cheerleaders. That fad has long wore off, IMO, as there are very attractive cheerleaders for other NFL teams as well.
The Steelers are basically a national team due to their success in the 1970s and do not have cheerleaders.
Predictions for each division's winner and wildcard spots (2025-26 season)
AFC East- Bills
AFC West- Broncos
AFC North- Ravens
AFC South- Texans
NFC East- Eagles
NFC West- Seahawks
NFC North- Packers
NFC South- Buccaneers
AFC Wildcards- Steelers, Chiefs, Chargers
NFC Wildcards- Lions, Commanders, Vikings
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 01, 2025, 05:23:33 PMPredictions for each division's winner and wildcard spots (2025-26 season)
AFC East- Bills
AFC West- Broncos
AFC North- Ravens
AFC South- Texans
NFC East- Eagles
NFC West- Seahawks
NFC North- Packers
NFC South- Buccaneers
AFC Wildcards- Steelers, Chiefs, Chargers
NFC Wildcards- Lions, Commanders, Vikings
You picked 13 of the 14 teams who made the playoffs last year. How bold.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 01, 2025, 07:33:37 PMQuote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 01, 2025, 05:23:33 PMPredictions for each division's winner and wildcard spots (2025-26 season)
AFC East- Bills
AFC West- Broncos
AFC North- Ravens
AFC South- Texans
NFC East- Eagles
NFC West- Seahawks
NFC North- Packers
NFC South- Buccaneers
AFC Wildcards- Steelers, Chiefs, Chargers
NFC Wildcards- Lions, Commanders, Vikings
You picked 13 of the 14 teams who made the playoffs last year. How bold.
Well the non playoff teams from last year are still just meh to be honest.
My final predicitions:
AFC
EAST
Buffalo 13-4 (1)
Miami 9-8
New England 9-8
NY Jets 5-12
NORTH
Baltimore 12-5 (2)
Cincinnati 11-6 (6)
Pittsburgh 10-7
Cleveland 6-11
SOUTH
Indianapolis 10-7 (4)
Houston 10-7
Jacksonville 8-9
Tennessee 7-10
WEST
Kansas City 12-5 (3)
Denver 12-5 (5)
LA Chargers 10-7 (7)
Las Vegas 8-9
NFC
EAST
Philadelphia 12-5 (1)
Washington 10-7 (7)
NY Giants 8-9
Dallas 6-11
NORTH
Green Bay 12-5 (2)
Detroit 11-6 (5)
Chicago 10-7 (6)
Minnesota 9-8
SOUTH
Tampa Bay 11-6 (3)
Carolina 8-9
Atlanta 8-9
New Orleans 4-13
WEST
LA Rams 10-7 (4)
Seattle 10-7
Arizona 9-8
San Francisco 8-9
Playoffs:
WC
Balt over LAC, Cin over KC, Den over Ind, GB over Wash, TB over Chi, Det over LAR
Div
Buff over Cin, Balt over Den, GB over TB, Det over Phil
Conf
Buffalo over Baltimore, Green Bay over Detroit
SB
Buffalo over Green Bay
AFC
EAST
Buffalo 11-6 (3)
Miami 7-9
New England 6-10
NY Jets 4-13
NORTH
Baltimore 13-4 (1)
Cincinnati 12-5 (5)
Pittsburgh 9-8
Cleveland 4-13
SOUTH
Jacksonville 11-6 (4)
Houston 10-7 (7)
Indianapolis 7-10
Tennessee 6-11
WEST
Kansas City 13-4 (2)
LA Chargers 11-6 (6)
Denver 8-9
Las Vegas 5-12
NFC
EAST
Philadelphia 14-3 (1)
Dallas 8-9
Washington 7-10
NY Giants 4-13
NORTH
Detroit 12-5 (2)
Minnesota 11-6 (5)
Green Bay 11-6 (6)
Chicago 6-11
SOUTH
Tampa Bay 11-6 (4)
Carolina 9-8
Atlanta 6-11
New Orleans 2-15
WEST
San Francisco 12-5 (3)
Seattle 10-7 (7)
Arizona 10-7
LA Rams 7-10
AFC Playoffs:
Kansas City (2) over Houston (7)
Buffalo (3) over LA Chargers (6)
Cincinnati (5) over Jacksonville (4)
Baltimore (1) over Cincinnati (5)
Kansas City (2) over Buffalo (3)
Baltimore (1) over Kansas City (2)
NFC Playoffs:
Detroit (2) over Seattle (7)
San Francisco (3) over Green Bay (6)
Minnesota (5) over Tampa Bay (4)
Philadelphia (1) over Minnesota (5)
Detroit (2) over San Francisco (3)
Philadelphia (1) over Detroit (2)
Super Bowl: Baltimore over Philadelphia
^^ NFC with 4 wildcards and the south with no playoff team?
Quote from: Big John on September 02, 2025, 02:51:16 PM^^ NFC with 4 wildcards and the south with no playoff team?
Whoops, missed. Tried to go quick in between meetings. I'll fix.
z = #1 seed
y = Division Champ
x = Wild Card
NFCE: z-PHI 14-3, x-WAS 11-6, DAL 7-10, NYG 4-13
NFCN: y-DET 12-5, x-GB 10-7, x-MIN 9-8, CHI 8-9
NFCS: y-TB 9-8, ATL 8-9, CAR 6-11, NO-2-15
NFCW: y-SF 10-7, LAR 9-8, ARI 9-8, SEA 8-9
AFCE: z-BUF 13-4, NE 8-9, MIA 6-11, NYJ 6-11
AFCN: y-BAL 12-5, x-CIN 10-7, PIT 9-8, CLE 3-14
AFCS: y-HOU 11-6, JAX 8-9, IND 7-10, TEN 4-13
AFCW: y-KC 12-5, x-DEN 10-7, x-LAC 10-7, LV 7-10
Championship Games: Philadelphia over Washington, Buffalo over Kansas City
Super Bowl: Buffalo over Philadelphia
Forks (if we're doing that this year): NYG, NO, CAR, SEA, NYJ, MIA, CLE, TEN
I will attempt my yearly preseason power rankings . . .
Tier 1: Super Bowl favorites1. Chiefs
2. Eagles
Not to say I'm confident we're getting part III of this game, I'm just not confident in predicting who will stop it. For the last 3 years these teams have swallowed the league whole. KC is 49-12, Philly is 44-8 excluding the mind-blowing 2023 implosion. You could count on one hand the number of FBS
college teams with winning percentages that good over their last 50-60 games.
Tier 2: Super Bowl contenders3. Ravens
4. Bills
5. Rams - year 2 for Verse and Fiske, and maybe/hopefully a healthy offense.
6. Packers - love this offseason for the Packers. Looks like they realized the habits that got them 2 titles in 30 years
with HOF QB's wasn't going to get them any
without a HOF QB. It might seem simple, but that's an epiphany at least half of the old guys running NFL teams are far too stubborn and philosophical to come to.
7. Lions - Ben Johnson is a great offensive coordinator, not sold on him as a head coach. Aaron Glenn, on the other hand, is neither a good defensive coordinator nor a good head coach. I expect the defense to improve with more health and no more Glenn. Offense might start slow-ish but has too much talent to be bad.
Tier 3: playoff caliber8. Buccaneers
9. Texans
10. Seahawks
11. Broncos
12. 49ers
13. Commanders
14. Steelers
You could tell me these teams will all have the exact same record and I wouldn't be surprised.
Tier 4: mid15. Bengals - I'm actually a fan of how they handled the Hendrickson situation.
16. Vikings - being in Minnesota as a neutral observer of Vikings fans and the team itself . . . I'm scared for what happens if McCarthy isn't good.
17. Chargers - I'm very out on the Greg Roman/Justin Herbert partnership. It's not a good fit. Harbaugh is great but doesn't seem capable of pivoting away from his philosophy - it worked in SF and in college, where he had extremely talented teams. Not the case here. Don't like taking a running back where they did.
From week 2 last year I was saying the Chargers, with the offense they run, stood little chance against serious teams. Sure enough:
- vs teams with 5 or fewer wins: 7-0
- vs teams with between 6 and 10 wins: 4-4
- vs teams with 11 or more wins: 0-2
18. Colts - assuming Richardson doesn't take a snap, not a bad team.
Tier 5: bad19. Falcons
20. Cowboys - even as a fan, all I really care about right now is my Dak + Lamb stack in fantasy.
21. Cardinals
22. Jaguars
23. Bears - not sold on Ben Johnson as a head coach
24. Dolphins
25. Patriots - still chasing Belichick's ghosts with this coaching staff? Past time to move on.
26. Browns
27. Raiders
28. Jets - not a Fields guy, not a Glenn guy.
29. Titans
30. Panthers - horrendous statistical profile last year. A few overtime wins and being one of like 10 teams to sorta kinda almost beat the Chiefs doesn't outweigh that unfortunately.
31. Giants - I moved the Giants out of last because I saw their players having fun in the preseason, and if nothing else good vibes is more good things than what they've had recently which is absolutely nothing.
32. Saints - Kellen Moore should not have taken this job. Good luck.
NFC playoffs1. Eagles
2. Rams
3. Packers
4. Buccaneers
5. Lions
6. Seahawks
7. 49ers
AFC playoffs1. Chiefs
2. Ravens
3. Bills
4. Texans
5. Broncos
6. Steelers
7. Bengals
Super Bowl: Rams vs. Chiefs; Stafford wins another and retires on top
MVP: take your pick between the top 4
Fired coaches: Daboll (NYG), Canales (CAR), McDaniel (MIA), Gannon (AZ), Morris (ATL), Steichen (IND), Taylor (CIN)
Quote from: hobsini2 on September 02, 2025, 01:39:00 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on September 01, 2025, 07:33:37 PMQuote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 01, 2025, 05:23:33 PMPredictions for each division's winner and wildcard spots (2025-26 season)
AFC East- Bills
AFC West- Broncos
AFC North- Ravens
AFC South- Texans
NFC East- Eagles
NFC West- Seahawks
NFC North- Packers
NFC South- Buccaneers
AFC Wildcards- Steelers, Chiefs, Chargers
NFC Wildcards- Lions, Commanders, Vikings
You picked 13 of the 14 teams who made the playoffs last year. How bold.
Well the non playoff teams from last year are still just meh to be honest.
I definitely agree that there's no sense in picking any of these incompetent franchises to do anything. 6/8 division winners and 10/14 playoff teams rolled over from 2023 to 24, I'm expecting similar this year. The only new playoff teams I have are the Seahawks who are competent, 49ers who are competent, and Bengals who have Burrow/Chase and are more competent than people give them credit for.
Same thing is happening in the NBA - 7 of 8 teams to reach the second round were the same in 2024 and 25. Any team owned by a guy whose ego is bigger than his checkbook is dead as a doornail in the current landscape of professional sports.
It appears I am more pessimistic on the Rams, Broncos, and Commies than anyone else.
Quote from: Big John on September 02, 2025, 02:51:16 PM^^ NFC with 4 wildcards and the south with no playoff team?
Crazier things have happened. I wouldn't rule it out this early.
QuoteYou could count on one hand the number of FBS college teams with winning percentages that good over their last 50-60 games.
Dont get me started on college football "dynastys". The usual AP Top 20 teams are the "usual colleges" because 3 or 4 games a year are usually against way-weaker non-league colleges that they will blow out by at least 40 points.
I would love to see the NCAA use the NFL scheduling formula: The teams with the better records in their conference get the tougher schedules the following year. And with the growing number of teams in the major conferences, all games should be inter-conference only -- especially if they can't play them all in the same season. If long-time rival colleges are in separate conferences, then maybe the NCAA should allow one or two out-of-conferences against those colleges per season because those games shouldn't be cream puff blowout games.
Then we can see who the REAL dynasties are!
I think I've mentioned it before: Swiss tournament. Each week, you're matched up against an opponent with the same record, or as close to it as possible, without ever playing the same opponent twice.
Quote from: hotdogPi on September 02, 2025, 07:14:19 PMI think I've mentioned it before: Swiss tournament. Each week, you're matched up against an opponent with the same record, or as close to it as possible, without ever playing the same opponent twice.
That would be extremely hard on student athletes with all the nationwide travel, especially if they don't know where they are going to play until that week. It would also cause more greenhouse emissions due to longer travel distances.
Quote from: thenetwork on September 02, 2025, 07:06:47 PMQuoteYou could count on one hand the number of FBS college teams with winning percentages that good over their last 50-60 games.
Dont get me started on college football "dynastys". The usual AP Top 20 teams are the "usual colleges" because 3 or 4 games a year are usually against way-weaker non-league colleges that they will blow out by at least 40 points.
I would love to see the NCAA use the NFL scheduling formula: The teams with the better records in their conference get the tougher schedules the following year. And with the growing number of teams in the major conferences, all games should be inter-conference only -- especially if they can't play them all in the same season. If long-time rival colleges are in separate conferences, then maybe the NCAA should allow one or two out-of-conferences against those colleges per season because those games shouldn't be cream puff blowout games.
Then we can see who the REAL dynasties are!
The NCAA does not, and never will have any say over scheduling. They don't even manage the post-season.
Regardless, every college football team schedules puff-ball opponents.
The college puff ball game model is still superior to something like the NFL preseason. Every now and then a major upset happens during a tune up game.
Tonight's the first game of the NFL season, as the Cowboys visit the defending champs. Guess I'll be rooting for the Lions to beat the Packers on Sunday, then watching the Bears host (and take down) the Vikings on Monday night.
Nobody told the defenses that the game started.
The Eagles player who got tossed had the most Philadelphia start to a season ever.
Wow this game is gonna go late due to the weather delay.
Dallas is playing a lot better than I expected. However the Eagles lost their best defensive player, Jalen Carter, due to a blatantly idiotic penalty. Carter might be lucky if he doesn't get suspended for additional games.
Just to add some context to that penalty: in regular civilian life if you spit on someone that can be charged as friggin' aggravated damned assault. No joke. I'm not making this up at all. Carter screwed the pooch big time with that brain fart.
The Eagles should also have been down a player after the ejection, but unfortunately it's the wrong type of football for that to happen.
SNF game was a classic! Henry fumbled the ball, and the Bills came back from a 15-point deficit to win the game by one point!
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 07, 2025, 11:51:02 PMSNF game was a classic! Lamar fumbled the ball, and the Bills came back from a 15-point deficit to win the game by one point!
Derrick Henry fumbled.
Very entertaining game...
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 07, 2025, 11:51:02 PMSNF game was a classic! Henry fumbled the ball, and the Bills came back from a 15-point deficit to win the game by one point!
Potential AFCCG preview?
Quote from: epzik8 on September 08, 2025, 09:03:41 AMQuote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 07, 2025, 11:51:02 PMSNF game was a classic! Henry fumbled the ball, and the Bills came back from a 15-point deficit to win the game by one point!
Potential AFCCG preview?
I'll believe that when I see it.
What a day for the haters yesterday. Almost every offseason storyline aged well in week 1.
I can say this: the Bears still suck...
https://youtu.be/avRHH9uAL4Q?si=9iR2l0T_7pvGnd69
The idea of a Bills-Packers Super Bowl is looking wetter and better to me every day. This would be the first New York team in the game since the Bills had four straight losses in the early 1990s.
Mike
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 08, 2025, 11:41:19 PMI can say this: the Bears still suck...
Wasted their top two draft picks on a TE and WR when the offensive line isn't good enough to establish a running game or give the QB time to throw downfield.
I wouldn't say that being on the losing end of 27-24 is anywhere near sucking.
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is a common theme in Bears losses.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 09, 2025, 02:43:39 PMSnatching defeat from the jaws of victory is a common theme in Bears losses.
And Vikings' as well.
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 08, 2025, 11:41:19 PMI can say this: the Bears still suck...
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 09, 2025, 02:43:39 PMSnatching defeat from the jaws of victory is a common theme in Bears losses.
Unfortunately, I'll have to agree with you. The downfall was when they fired Mike Ditka over 30 years ago.
Quote from: Henry on September 09, 2025, 09:46:19 PMQuote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 08, 2025, 11:41:19 PMI can say this: the Bears still suck...
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 09, 2025, 02:43:39 PMSnatching defeat from the jaws of victory is a common theme in Bears losses.
Unfortunately, I'll have to agree with you. The downfall was when they fired Mike Ditka over 30 years ago.
Apparently many Bears fans think Ditka wasn't anything and Buddy Ryan was the reason they won. Ditka did fail on the Saints.
I already spent my yearly 9/11 joke in another thread, but I can't not be amused by two doinked field goals hitting opposite uprights of the same goalpost about 20 minutes apart on September 11.
I hate the Bears
That's why I play fantasy so I can hate certain players for not playing good :bigass:
Cowboys beat the Giants in OT
Eagles beat the Chiefs AGAIN, sending them 0-2
Colts upset the Broncos over a penalty
Cardinals beat the Panthers, going 2-0 for the first time since 2021
What a (mostly boring) slate of games for week 2!
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 14, 2025, 07:54:17 PMCowboys beat the Giants in OT
Eagles beat the Chiefs AGAIN, sending them 0-2
Colts upset the Broncos over a penalty
Cardinals beat the Panthers, going 2-0 for the first time since 2021
What a (mostly boring) slate of games for week 2!
I actually thought that today was one of the best days of football in a while.
Looks like Vikings and Bengals will both play their backup QBs against each other this coming weekend.
Late in their game at Green bay on Thursday, two Washington players were down with ankle injuries. I heard nothing more about them, how bad were they?
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on September 15, 2025, 03:39:18 PMLate in their game at Green bay on Thursday, two Washington players were down with ankle injuries. I heard nothing more about them, how bad were they?
Mike
Austin Ekeler is out for the season. Torn Achilles.
Deatrich Wise Jr. is also out for the season. Quadriceps.
Jayden Daniels is questionable for this coming Sunday against the Raiders. Knee.
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 15, 2025, 05:52:49 PMQuote from: mgk920 on September 15, 2025, 03:39:18 PMLate in their game at Green bay on Thursday, two Washington players were down with ankle injuries. I heard nothing more about them, how bad were they?
Mike
Austin Ekeler is out for the season. Torn Achilles.
Deatrich Wise Jr. is also out for the season. Quadriceps.
Jayden Daniels is questionable for this coming Sunday against the Raiders. Knee.
Ouch!
Mike
Cincinnati Bengals QB Joe Burrow is out for three months due to an injury (grade 3 turf toe)...
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 15, 2025, 07:11:22 PMCincinnati Bengals QB Joe Burrow is out for three months due to an injury (grade 3 turf toe)...
Bummer. That makes the season less interesting. The Bengals seemingly cannot catch a break.
Once again, it looks like another long season for Bears fans, 0-2 and last in the NFC North...
"When does Bulls/Blackhawks season start?"
Quote from: Henry on September 15, 2025, 10:19:38 PMOnce again, it looks like another long season for Bears fans, 0-2 and last in the NFC North...
"When does Bulls/Blackhawks season start?"
Do you actually think those seasons will be much better?
Quote from: epzik8 on September 15, 2025, 03:19:55 PMLooks like Vikings and Bengals will both play their backup QBs against each other this coming weekend.
My $300 well spent. :rolleyes:
Quote from: thspfc on September 16, 2025, 10:11:32 AMQuote from: epzik8 on September 15, 2025, 03:19:55 PMLooks like Vikings and Bengals will both play their backup QBs against each other this coming weekend.
My $300 well spent. :rolleyes:
Hey, you get to see super bowl champion mvp candidate quarterback Carson Wentz play.
Just some language nerd trash talk:
Word definitions can change over time.
In the original German, "jetzt" means "now".
But in English, "Jets" means the distant past (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_III)
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 02, 2025, 05:19:22 PMIt appears I am more pessimistic on the Rams, Broncos, and Commies than anyone else.
Rams choked today.
Broncos choked today.
Commies won but have beaten two bad teams.
Still have faith in my predictions.
So, Jerry Jones...How about them Cowboys?
Welp Russell Wilson is washed. Looks like the Cowboys defense really is that bad.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 22, 2025, 01:27:34 AMWelp Russell Wilson is washed. Looks like the Cowboys defense really is that bad.
He's been washed for years. The Giants may as well just start Dart at this point.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 22, 2025, 09:08:00 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on September 22, 2025, 01:27:34 AMWelp Russell Wilson is washed. Looks like the Cowboys defense really is that bad.
He's been washed for years. The Giants may as well just start Dart at this point.
Well he just broke his all time passing yards record. Once again though, Matt Eberfluses defense sucks.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 22, 2025, 11:21:37 AMQuote from: SEWIGuy on September 22, 2025, 09:08:00 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on September 22, 2025, 01:27:34 AMWelp Russell Wilson is washed. Looks like the Cowboys defense really is that bad.
He's been washed for years. The Giants may as well just start Dart at this point.
Well he just broke his all time passing yards record. Once again though, Matt Eberfluses defense sucks.
He's been washed since
thspfc and I made the bet several years back. :)
The Chiefs don't look impressive either, probably a 3-6 seed this year.
For those who didn't see it yesterday, CBS brought back some memories:
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 22, 2025, 05:54:12 PMFor those who didn't see it yesterday, CBS brought back some memories:
That was a well-done throwback episode, and the vintage Jeep clip was the icing on the cake.
Also, it was an interesting day for the NFC North arch rivals, which saw da Bears get their first win of the season against Dallas and the Packers lose in Cleveland.
And Nick Bosa is OUT for the rest of the season due to an ACL injury.
Well that certainly was one hell of a running game by the Lions versus the Ravens tonight (224 yards). I don't know what the hell defense was doing full on rushing during the last Ravens drive.
Everyone watch out for the Lions. They're for real.
Solid game by the Bears for once
Quote from: ET21 on September 23, 2025, 11:39:09 AMSolid game by the Bears for once
Cowboys have possibly the worst pass rush in the league. Caleb isn't going to have that kind of time to throw in any other game.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 23, 2025, 12:07:30 PMQuote from: ET21 on September 23, 2025, 11:39:09 AMSolid game by the Bears for once
Cowboys have possibly the worst pass rush in the league. Caleb isn't going to have that kind of time to throw in any other game.
Helped my fantasy team this week though (started Williams).
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 23, 2025, 12:08:11 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 23, 2025, 12:07:30 PMQuote from: ET21 on September 23, 2025, 11:39:09 AMSolid game by the Bears for once
Cowboys have possibly the worst pass rush in the league. Caleb isn't going to have that kind of time to throw in any other game.
Helped my fantasy team this week though (started Williams).
Start any QB facing Dallas.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 23, 2025, 12:11:45 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on September 23, 2025, 12:08:11 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 23, 2025, 12:07:30 PMQuote from: ET21 on September 23, 2025, 11:39:09 AMSolid game by the Bears for once
Cowboys have possibly the worst pass rush in the league. Caleb isn't going to have that kind of time to throw in any other game.
Helped my fantasy team this week though (started Williams).
Start any QB facing Dallas.
For sure that, but Williams has also been pretty good. In my league's scoring, he's been QB9, QB20, and QB1.
Thanks Jerry for trading Micah Parsons to the Packers!
:cool:
Mike
If anyone's still wondering if Anthony Richardson can play in the NFL:
https://x.com/BleacherReport/status/1971217045560885724?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
The Giants just flat out played the Chargers today. The Chargers offensive line has got some serious issues giving poor protection. I feel like this happens almost every year with the Chargers, they get hyped in the pre-season and lay absolute turds like today.
Nice, big win for the Patriots today.
Who had Ravens-Chiefs being the only dud of the afternoon window on their Bingo card?
Quote from: webny99 on September 28, 2025, 07:39:26 PMWho had Ravens-Chiefs being the only dud of the afternoon window on their Bingo card?
I was expecting a typical Chiefs 20-17 type of game. Turns out the Ravens are, really, a bad team. Somehow, it seems likely that the AFCN will be contested by the Melatonin dream Steelers and Jake Browning Bengals.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 28, 2025, 04:17:04 PMThe Giants just flat out played the Chargers today. The Chargers offensive line has got some serious issues giving poor protection. I feel like this happens almost every year with the Chargers, they get hyped in the pre-season and lay absolute turds like today.
If the Chargers play like that a few more times, Buffalo will once again be the only team standing in the way of a Chiefs AFC 4-peat. I don't even think the Chiefs are particularly good this year (we'll see what happens when they get Rice back). But the AFC is damn bad. The Colts might genuinely be the 3rd best team in the conference.
The Ravens didn't look good last week either. This week they looked like a perfect team for the Chiefs to wake up against.
I still cant figure out how the Vikings are playing 2 European games in a row. Is it punishment?
Not sure how the Bears manage to win games with such a terrible offensive line.
Word is that Bad Bunny will perform at the Super Bowl Halftime Show next year.
That was one of the best games I've ever seen, and considering the context possibly the funniest result in NFL history.
Not everyday a 40-40 tie happens.
From CBS Sports: Scorigami! Cowboys vs. Packers wild tie ends with final score that's never been seen before in NFL history (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/scorigami-cowboys-vs-packers-wild-tie-ends-with-final-score-thats-never-been-seen-before-in-nfl-history/)
2nd highest scoring tie. 43-All happened in the pre-merger AFL in 1964 between the Raiders and Patriots
So... who won the trade? :bigass:
Quote from: thenetwork on September 28, 2025, 07:59:22 PMI still cant figure out how the Vikings are playing 2 European games in a row. Is it punishment?
They actually are fine with it. (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46355946/nfl-minnesota-vikings-dublin-london-oconnell) They want to expand their European outreach and knock off two road games on a neutral site.
Good week for byes to begin. 40-40 draw, time for a break.
:meh:
Mike
From Fort Worth Star-Telegram: Here's every time a Dallas Cowboys game finished in a tie (https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article312303279.html):
- Sept. 28, 2025: Cowboys 40, Green Bay Packers 40 (at AT&T Stadium)
- Nov. 27, 1969: Cowboys 24, San Francisco 49ers 24 (at the Cotton Bowl)
- Oct. 16, 1966: Cowboys 10, St. Louis Cardinals 10 (at Busch Memorial Stadium in St. Louis)
- Oct. 11, 1964: Cowboys 13, New York Giants 13 (at the Cotton Bowl)
- Sept. 16, 1962: Cowboys 35, Washington Redskins 35 (at the Cotton Bowl)
- Nov. 19, 1961: Cowboys 28, Washington Redskins 28 (at the Cotton Bowl)
- Dec. 4, 1960: Cowboys 31, New York Giants 31 (at Yankee Stadium in New York)
From Yahoo Sports!: Packers' history with overtime ties is brief but memorable. Here's a look (https://sports.yahoo.com/article/packers-history-overtime-ties-brief-202855452.html):
- Sept. 28, 2025: 40-40 at Dallas
- Sept. 16, 2018: 29-29 vs. Minnesota
- Nov. 24, 2013: 26-26 vs. Minnesota
- Sept. 20, 1987: 17-17 vs. Denver
- Dec. 19, 1982: 20-20 at Baltimore
- Oct. 12, 1980: 14-14 at Tampa Bay
- Nov. 26, 1978: 10-10 vs. Minnesota
Quote from: ZLoth on September 29, 2025, 06:30:55 PMFrom Fort Worth Star-Telegram: Here's every time a Dallas Cowboys game finished in a tie (https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article312303279.html):
(snip)
From Yahoo Sports!: Packers' history with overtime ties is brief but memorable. Here's a look (https://sports.yahoo.com/article/packers-history-overtime-ties-brief-202855452.html):
- Sept. 28, 2025: 40-40 at Dallas
- Sept. 16, 2018: 29-29 vs. Minnesota
- Nov. 24, 2013: 26-26 vs. Minnesota
- Sept. 20, 1987: 17-17 vs. Denver
- Dec. 19, 1982: 20-20 at Baltimore
- Oct. 12, 1980: 14-14 at Tampa Bay
- Nov. 26, 1978: 10-10 vs. Minnesota
We may see a 70-70 Packers game in our lifetimes; there's a clear trend
(https://i.imgur.com/vQPeFej.png)
Seems like George Pickens of the Coeboys plus many of the fans didn't know that ties existed.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2025, 08:04:06 PMSeems like George Pickens of the Coeboys plus many of the fans didn't know that ties existed.
The new OT rule ensuring both teams get 1 possession in the 10-minute OT period makes ties more likely
Quote from: mgk920 on September 29, 2025, 02:49:14 PMGood week for byes to begin. 40-40 draw, time for a break.
:meh:
Mike
I'm not losing any sleep over this, neither team deserved to win.
Quote from: thspfc on September 28, 2025, 07:47:23 PMSomehow, it seems likely that the AFCN will be contested by the Melatonin dream Steelers and Jake Browning Bengals.
I take that back, the Bengals somehow took an even worse beating than last week, when they played the worst half I've ever seen from an NFL team. The Steelers become the first team to clinch their division in 2025, and not by virtue of being great.
Could have done without seeing that Tyreek Hill knee dislocation in intimate detail.
Quote from: Henry on September 29, 2025, 09:22:51 PMQuote from: mgk920 on September 29, 2025, 02:49:14 PMGood week for byes to begin. 40-40 draw, time for a break.
I'm not losing any sleep over this, neither team deserved to win.
In checking the schedule, there are no more SNF appearances scheduled for the Cowboys, so unless they improve, I don't see any games being flexed in. The Cowboys need a better D Fence if they hope to get into the playoffs.
I'll just continue to watch the games via highlight reels posted on YouTube.
Man Joe Burrow must be the greatest NFL playoff of all time for winning with that Bengals team
Aww man I wanted to see a Jake Browning primetime win.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2025, 12:23:21 AMMan Joe Burrow must be the greatest NFL playoff of all time for winning with that Bengals team
That team was a lot better than this one. (Not that Burrow isn't great.)
The Bengals are a bad team with a really good quarterback. Problem is the team is so bad that the quarterback keeps getting hurt.
Quote from: thspfc on September 29, 2025, 11:21:07 PMThe Steelers become the first team to clinch their division in 2025
I'm definitely putting this on Freezing Cold Takes watch. :D Not only is it highly likely that one of the other divisions will be clinched first, the Ravens could still easily win the AFC North.
The only way the Ravens are winning that division is if 9-8 is somehow good enough to finish first. Even then nine wins seems like a tall order after the wheels fell off the last two weeks.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 30, 2025, 09:54:12 AMThe only way the Ravens are winning that division is if 9-8 is somehow good enough to finish first. Even then nine wins seems like a tall order after the wheels fell off the last two weeks.
I'm not sure the other teams (Steelers included) have done anything suggestive of 10-7 or better either.
Quote from: webny99 on September 30, 2025, 09:59:57 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on September 30, 2025, 09:54:12 AMThe only way the Ravens are winning that division is if 9-8 is somehow good enough to finish first. Even then nine wins seems like a tall order after the wheels fell off the last two weeks.
I'm not sure the other teams (Steelers included) have done anything suggestive of 10-7 or better either.
If Aaron Rodgers can be just a game manager the Steelers will easily go 10-7 or 11-6.
Quote from: webny99 on September 30, 2025, 09:59:57 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on September 30, 2025, 09:54:12 AMThe only way the Ravens are winning that division is if 9-8 is somehow good enough to finish first. Even then nine wins seems like a tall order after the wheels fell off the last two weeks.
I'm not sure the other teams (Steelers included) have done anything suggestive of 10-7 or better either.
They have all 6 division games remaining. Both games vs Cincy will be Burrow-less, and we'll see what the Ravens do with a hobbled Lamar should the season go off the rails.
Based on how things are going, and the Steelers history vs division opponents even when those opponents are good, I would be shocked if they go worse than 4-2 in those games. 5-1 seems most likely, 6-0 possible. They're 3-1 now, so that puts them at 8-2 or 7-3 at worst. Their remaining games are tough, but I would expect them to beat the Bears and Dolphins. Even if they lose every other game (GB, IND, LAC, BUF, DET), that's 10-7 or 9-8.
Quote from: ilpt4u on September 29, 2025, 08:53:46 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2025, 08:04:06 PMSeems like George Pickens of the Coeboys plus many of the fans didn't know that ties existed.
The new OT rule ensuring both teams get 1 possession in the 10-minute OT period makes ties more likely
Yea, I'm a bit surprised that there haven't been more draws coming out of those rules.
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on September 30, 2025, 01:48:01 PMQuote from: ilpt4u on September 29, 2025, 08:53:46 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2025, 08:04:06 PMSeems like George Pickens of the Coeboys plus many of the fans didn't know that ties existed.
The new OT rule ensuring both teams get 1 possession in the 10-minute OT period makes ties more likely
Yea, I'm a bit surprised that there haven't been more draws coming out of those rules.
Mike
This rule is new for this season.
Quote from: thspfc on September 30, 2025, 01:30:13 PMQuote from: webny99 on September 30, 2025, 09:59:57 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on September 30, 2025, 09:54:12 AMThe only way the Ravens are winning that division is if 9-8 is somehow good enough to finish first. Even then nine wins seems like a tall order after the wheels fell off the last two weeks.
I'm not sure the other teams (Steelers included) have done anything suggestive of 10-7 or better either.
They have all 6 division games remaining. Both games vs Cincy will be Burrow-less, and we'll see what the Ravens do with a hobbled Lamar should the season go off the rails.
Based on how things are going, and the Steelers history vs division opponents even when those opponents are good, I would be shocked if they go worse than 4-2 in those games. 5-1 seems most likely, 6-0 possible. They're 3-1 now, so that puts them at 8-2 or 7-3 at worst. Their remaining games are tough, but I would expect them to beat the Bears and Dolphins. Even if they lose every other game (GB, IND, LAC, BUF, DET), that's 10-7 or 9-8.
Lamar might miss a few weeks with injury. Ravens are done in that case.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2025, 01:52:39 PMQuote from: mgk920 on September 30, 2025, 01:48:01 PMQuote from: ilpt4u on September 29, 2025, 08:53:46 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2025, 08:04:06 PMSeems like George Pickens of the Coeboys plus many of the fans didn't know that ties existed.
The new OT rule ensuring both teams get 1 possession in the 10-minute OT period makes ties more likely
Yea, I'm a bit surprised that there haven't been more draws coming out of those rules.
Mike
This rule is new for this season.
The rule change this season is that the other team gets a possession if the first team gets a TD. The other team already got a possession if the first team got a FG, so that rule change didn't impact this game.
Here's my solution to the overtime stuff--don't have overtime in the regular season.
All games end in regulation. If one team is ahead, they get 3 points. If the game is tied, the team that was most recently ahead gets 2 points and the other team gets 1 point. There hasn't been a 0-0 tie in decades, but just in case, each team gets 1 point.
Makes those end of game tying PATs more exciting. Do you kick for the tie and take 1 point, or do you go for 2 to get the full 3 points?
Me personally I don't see regular season ties as being an issue in need of addressing. They are so infrequent that it really doesn't often matter.
Make the Super Bowl end in a tie as well, that way we can have co-Champions! Two very happy fanbases instead of one, double the celebrations. :clap:
The 10 minutes of OT for the past several seasons has made me seriously wonder why there haven't been more regular season draws. YES, IMHO, a draw is a very legitimate result, just like it is in fútbol. In the NFL, in the regular season, a draw counts in the standings as half of a win and half of a loss (in most fútbol federations, a draw counts in the standings as a third of a win).
Also, as a point of clarification, a defensive score by the first team on defense in overtime still ends the game, right?
Mike
Yes
RE: last night, I'm sorry but I will believe in Mac Jones until the day I die.
As a Pats fan Mac Jones is good with a good team around him and with good coaching, like in 2021. He's not going to carry a team but he's solid in the right situation.
Does anyone understand the first penalty in WAS–LAC?
Washington kicked off. The Chargers downed it in the end zone. Ball goes out to 35.
Except there was a flag. They announced an illegal formation on the receiving team (the Chargers). The ref then said Los Angeles chose to replay the kickoff.
Why should the Chargers get to choose? Shouldn't the unpenalized team get the choice?
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 05, 2025, 04:35:12 PMDoes anyone understand the first penalty in WAS–LAC?
Washington kicked off. The Chargers downed it in the end zone. Ball goes out to 35.
Except there was a flag. They announced an illegal formation on the receiving team (the Chargers). The ref then said Los Angeles chose to replay the kickoff.
Why should the Chargers get to choose? Shouldn't the unpenalized team get the choice?
Ref likely misspoke on either who the penalty was on or who chose to replay the kickoff.
Eagles take first loss of the year and first loss since December last year vs the Broncos, blowing a 17-3 lead.
By my count 11 teams had a pretty catastrophic week 5, beyond just run-of-the-mill losing.
Browns (Baker plays incredible)
Jets (got blown out and Darnold plays incredible)
Panthers (Baker and Darnold play incredible)
Giants (lost to 0-4 Saints)
Raiders (lost 40-6)
Dolphins (lost to the Panthers)
Ravens (lost 44-10)
Eagles (blew 14-point 4th quarter lead)
Cardinals (blew 18-point lead and lost to the TITANS)
Bengals (more or less blown out again)
Chargers (more or less blown out)
^^ Do you mean Seahawks instead of Panthers, who won?
I really don't get what the Browns were thinking with giving up on Baker Mayfield so early.
The Cardinals had probably the worst choke I have ever seen in NFL history. From the ball dropping to the interception fumble touchdown what the heck was that.
Quote from: Big John on October 05, 2025, 07:37:49 PM^^ Do you mean Seahawks instead of Panthers, who won?
No I mean the Panthers. A week 5 win over a terrible team pales in comparison to the QBs they ran out of town both looking like the reincarnation of Brady vs. Manning.
LETS GO PATRIOTS WIN!
I think you might be the lone person on the forum that is happy about the Patriots not being completely awful.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 05, 2025, 11:35:06 PMI think you might be the lone person on the forum that is happy about the Patriots not being completely awful.
There are quite a few other Massachusetts users on the forum. And hey, it's been 6 full years since we've won a Super Bowl.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 06, 2025, 12:31:20 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on October 05, 2025, 11:35:06 PMI think you might be the lone person on the forum that is happy about the Patriots not being completely awful.
There are quite a few other Massachusetts users on the forum. And hey, it's been 6 full years since we've won a Super Bowl.
Meh, my dad was 7 when the Lions last won an NFL championship (1957). Nobody expect Patroits fans feels pity for how the post Tom Brady era has been.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 06, 2025, 12:32:29 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on October 06, 2025, 12:31:20 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on October 05, 2025, 11:35:06 PMI think you might be the lone person on the forum that is happy about the Patriots not being completely awful.
There are quite a few other Massachusetts users on the forum. And hey, it's been 6 full years since we've won a Super Bowl.
Meh, my dad was 7 when the Lions last won an NFL championship (1957). Nobody expect Patroits fans feels pity for how the post Tom Brady era has been.
Yeah that was sarcastic if you couldn't tell lol... Boston sports fans have been spoiled in my lifetime.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 05, 2025, 07:38:24 PMI really don't get what the Browns were thinking with giving up on Baker Mayfield so early.
He tried to play through an injury and his performance tailed off. Then the owner got involved and decided to through a big contract at a pure crap of a human being in Watson.
This is why certain franchises never succeed.
Mark Sanchez gets stabbed by a truck driver and charged with felony assault:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl/breaking-news/article/mark-sanchez-now-faces-felony-battery-charge-could-see-prison-time-after-stabbing-incident-in-indianapolis-152823396.html
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 06, 2025, 02:53:23 PMMark Sanchez gets stabbed by a truck driver and charged with felony assault:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl/breaking-news/article/mark-sanchez-now-faces-felony-battery-charge-could-see-prison-time-after-stabbing-incident-in-indianapolis-152823396.html
Why the hell would someone, not anywhere near where he lives or frequents, tell some guy he can't park somewhere? Have to be pretty drunk to think like that.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 06, 2025, 02:55:45 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on October 06, 2025, 02:53:23 PMMark Sanchez gets stabbed by a truck driver and charged with felony assault:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl/breaking-news/article/mark-sanchez-now-faces-felony-battery-charge-could-see-prison-time-after-stabbing-incident-in-indianapolis-152823396.html
Why the hell would someone, not anywhere near where he lives or frequents, tell some guy he can't park somewhere? Have to be pretty drunk to think like that.
Drunk and/or high enough to walk off pepper spray no less.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 06, 2025, 02:55:45 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on October 06, 2025, 02:53:23 PMMark Sanchez gets stabbed by a truck driver and charged with felony assault:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl/breaking-news/article/mark-sanchez-now-faces-felony-battery-charge-could-see-prison-time-after-stabbing-incident-in-indianapolis-152823396.html
Why the hell would someone, not anywhere near where he lives or frequents, tell some guy he can't park somewhere? Have to be pretty drunk to think like that.
And make up that he wasn't allowed to go into the hotel to clean the grease traps or whatever it was.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 06, 2025, 02:53:23 PMMark Sanchez gets stabbed by a truck driver and charged with felony assault:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl/breaking-news/article/mark-sanchez-now-faces-felony-battery-charge-could-see-prison-time-after-stabbing-incident-in-indianapolis-152823396.html
Millions of dollars and a cushy broadcasting job and your fighting with randos on the street. What a way to ruin your career.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 06, 2025, 03:17:31 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on October 06, 2025, 02:53:23 PMMark Sanchez gets stabbed by a truck driver and charged with felony assault:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl/breaking-news/article/mark-sanchez-now-faces-felony-battery-charge-could-see-prison-time-after-stabbing-incident-in-indianapolis-152823396.html
Millions of dollars and a cushy broadcasting job and your fighting with randos on the street. What a way to ruin your career.
And this wasn't even a fight. It was just a straight up assault on a random person.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 06, 2025, 03:18:55 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on October 06, 2025, 03:17:31 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on October 06, 2025, 02:53:23 PMMark Sanchez gets stabbed by a truck driver and charged with felony assault:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl/breaking-news/article/mark-sanchez-now-faces-felony-battery-charge-could-see-prison-time-after-stabbing-incident-in-indianapolis-152823396.html
Millions of dollars and a cushy broadcasting job and your fighting with randos on the street. What a way to ruin your career.
And this wasn't even a fight. It was just a straight up assault on a random person.
FWIW he seems to have learned how to take hits better than when he was the starting Jets QB.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 06, 2025, 03:22:25 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on October 06, 2025, 03:18:55 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on October 06, 2025, 03:17:31 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on October 06, 2025, 02:53:23 PMMark Sanchez gets stabbed by a truck driver and charged with felony assault:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl/breaking-news/article/mark-sanchez-now-faces-felony-battery-charge-could-see-prison-time-after-stabbing-incident-in-indianapolis-152823396.html
Millions of dollars and a cushy broadcasting job and your fighting with randos on the street. What a way to ruin your career.
And this wasn't even a fight. It was just a straight up assault on a random person.
FWIW he seems to have learned how to take hits better than when he was the starting Jets QB.
King of the butt fumble.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 06, 2025, 04:09:58 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on October 06, 2025, 03:22:25 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on October 06, 2025, 03:18:55 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on October 06, 2025, 03:17:31 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on October 06, 2025, 02:53:23 PMMark Sanchez gets stabbed by a truck driver and charged with felony assault:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl/breaking-news/article/mark-sanchez-now-faces-felony-battery-charge-could-see-prison-time-after-stabbing-incident-in-indianapolis-152823396.html
Millions of dollars and a cushy broadcasting job and your fighting with randos on the street. What a way to ruin your career.
And this wasn't even a fight. It was just a straight up assault on a random person.
FWIW he seems to have learned how to take hits better than when he was the starting Jets QB.
King of the butt fumble.
Still the best Jets Quarterback of the 21st century.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 06, 2025, 04:14:07 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on October 06, 2025, 04:09:58 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on October 06, 2025, 03:22:25 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on October 06, 2025, 03:18:55 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on October 06, 2025, 03:17:31 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on October 06, 2025, 02:53:23 PMMark Sanchez gets stabbed by a truck driver and charged with felony assault:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl/breaking-news/article/mark-sanchez-now-faces-felony-battery-charge-could-see-prison-time-after-stabbing-incident-in-indianapolis-152823396.html
Millions of dollars and a cushy broadcasting job and your fighting with randos on the street. What a way to ruin your career.
And this wasn't even a fight. It was just a straight up assault on a random person.
FWIW he seems to have learned how to take hits better than when he was the starting Jets QB.
King of the butt fumble.
Still the best Jets Quarterback of the 21st century.
Eh, I'd argue Favre in his single season there was better.
This Mark Sanchez news has traces of OJ Simpson all over it. Like Sanchez, OJ was a former NFL star player turned broadcaster who lost it all with the murder trial (he was acquitted of murdering his wife and her friend, but it still ruined him for the rest of his life). What a sad and tragic ending indeed.
Quote from: Henry on October 06, 2025, 09:26:00 PMThis Mark Sanchez news has traces of OJ Simpson all over it. Like Sanchez, OJ was a former NFL star player turned broadcaster who lost it all with the murder trial (he was acquitted of murdering his wife and her friend, but it still ruined him for the rest of his life). What a sad and tragic ending indeed.
Well, Sanchez didn't kill anyone and I don't think he had intent to kill. Not sure though. Plus OJ was a much bigger star than Sanchez ever was.
The Chiefs lose to the Jags... So many penalties by the Chiefs!
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on October 06, 2025, 11:50:27 PMThe Chiefs lose to the Jags... So many penalties by the Chiefs!
Chiefs lose American wins. Chiefs fans experience what Patriots fans experienced for 2 decades.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 07, 2025, 12:33:19 AMQuote from: Great Lakes Roads on October 06, 2025, 11:50:27 PMThe Chiefs lose to the Jags... So many penalties by the Chiefs!
Chiefs lose American wins. Chiefs fans experience what Patriots fans experienced for 2 decades.
Less cheating involved for Chiefs' fans though. ;-)
Travis and Tay Tay break up...Chiefs sweeps the remainder of the season. :biggrin: :bigass: :wave:
Bengals trade for Joe Flacco. Good for them, Browning socks.
You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.
Mike
Cleveland Browns: Working To Rebuild a Respectable Dynasty Team since 1964...
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 07, 2025, 12:33:19 AMQuote from: Great Lakes Roads on October 06, 2025, 11:50:27 PMThe Chiefs lose to the Jags... So many penalties by the Chiefs!
Chiefs lose American wins. Chiefs fans experience what Patriots fans experienced for 2 decades.
The Chiefs look old. A little bit like the Patriots did in around 2010.
Flacco might be just as bad as Browning so not sure how much of an improvement he actually is.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 07, 2025, 03:26:25 PMFlacco might be just as bad as Browning so not sure how much of an improvement he actually is.
The only thing good about Browning is his wife. Flacco has won a Super Bowl.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 07, 2025, 03:38:04 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on October 07, 2025, 03:26:25 PMFlacco might be just as bad as Browning so not sure how much of an improvement he actually is.
The only thing good about Browning is his wife. Flacco has won a Super Bowl.
Yeah, 12 years ago... He's beyond washed now.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 07, 2025, 03:38:56 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on October 07, 2025, 03:38:04 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on October 07, 2025, 03:26:25 PMFlacco might be just as bad as Browning so not sure how much of an improvement he actually is.
The only thing good about Browning is his wife. Flacco has won a Super Bowl.
Yeah, 12 years ago... He's beyond washed now.
Meh. He's not the best QB in the league, that's for sure. But he's not going to be the worst starting QB in the league this weekend.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 07, 2025, 03:40:59 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on October 07, 2025, 03:38:56 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on October 07, 2025, 03:38:04 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on October 07, 2025, 03:26:25 PMFlacco might be just as bad as Browning so not sure how much of an improvement he actually is.
The only thing good about Browning is his wife. Flacco has won a Super Bowl.
Yeah, 12 years ago... He's beyond washed now.
Meh. He's not the best QB in the league, that's for sure. But he's not going to be the worst starting QB in the league this weekend.
I feel like at least Cousins or Winston would have been better.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 07, 2025, 03:46:09 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on October 07, 2025, 03:40:59 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on October 07, 2025, 03:38:56 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on October 07, 2025, 03:38:04 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on October 07, 2025, 03:26:25 PMFlacco might be just as bad as Browning so not sure how much of an improvement he actually is.
The only thing good about Browning is his wife. Flacco has won a Super Bowl.
Yeah, 12 years ago... He's beyond washed now.
Meh. He's not the best QB in the league, that's for sure. But he's not going to be the worst starting QB in the league this weekend.
I feel like at least Cousins or Winston would have been better.
Trading for Cousins means you have to pay his salary. And who knows what the Giants are doing with Winston. Probably asked for something stupid like a 2nd rounder.
I love when the fans or haters of the Cowboys flip Jerry Jones off...
...But when Jerry Jones does the flipping, it costs him a quarter of a million dollars!!!
Thank you, NFL!
Quote from: thenetwork on October 07, 2025, 04:00:13 PMI love when the fans or haters of the Cowboys flip Jerry Jones off...
...But when Jerry Jones does the flipping, it costs him a quarter of a million dollars!!!
Thank you, NFL!
quarter million to Jerry Jones is like 5 bucks to us
For the first time ever in the history of the NFL, the Houston Texans won at Baltimore -- something that had never been done before! And this was revenge from the "Beyonce Massacre" game last Christmas (she was the halftime performer). And both teams are riddled with multiple injuries, most notably Lamar Jackson (Ravens), Tank Dell Jr. (Texans), and Joe Mixon (Texans) did not play.
One by one these once mighty, seemingly impenetrable, barriers aren't just being broken down but obliterated in a resounding way: Last year the Texans first ever win at Foxborough was by 20 points, their first ever win at Jerry's World was by 24 points, and on Sunday at Baltimore it was by a mind-blowing 34 points.
Those are nice, but us Texans fanbase are looking for the most important barrier to be broken down -- A Divisional Round. You think your team has been suffering for years? Well the Texans remain as the only team in NFL History that has never even won a Divisional Round of the Playoffs and it's a sad, lonely feeling in that department so we're the ones suffering the most deprivation of all the fanbases.
Quote from: thenetwork on October 07, 2025, 02:07:35 PMCleveland Browns: Working To Rebuild a Respectable Dynasty Team since 1964...
Detroit says "Hello" from 20 years ago.
(https://i.imgur.com/vjkrtRE.jpeg)
Quote from: wanderer2575 on October 07, 2025, 07:31:08 PMQuote from: thenetwork on October 07, 2025, 02:07:35 PMCleveland Browns: Working To Rebuild a Respectable Dynasty Team since 1964...
Detroit says "Hello" from 20 years ago.
(https://i.imgur.com/vjkrtRE.jpeg)
Must be something in the western waters of Lake Erie...
A bad night for anyone who are a fan of Philly teams...
Every week Cleveland proves themselves fools for letting Baker Mayfield go
Quote from: epzik8 on October 12, 2025, 07:45:07 PMEvery week Cleveland proves themselves fools for letting Baker Mayfield go
The way I remembered it is that Baker wanted out of Cleveland; he is the one that demanded the trade.
Quick reminder than the Browns are paying 31.5 million dollars this year to a pervert who sucks at football.
I recently saw a stat which said that as of this season (so far), Cleveland is paying all, or part of, the salaries of EIGHT Quarterbacks, including those who since went to other teams (due to original signed contracts).
Quote from: jgb191 on October 12, 2025, 08:58:23 PMQuote from: epzik8 on October 12, 2025, 07:45:07 PMEvery week Cleveland proves themselves fools for letting Baker Mayfield go
The way I remembered it is that Baker wanted out of Cleveland; he is the one that demanded the trade.
Because they traded for Deshaun Watson and gave him a ridiculous contract. Mayfield saw the writing on the wall.
Mayfield was one season removed from the Browns first playoff season in quite a while, which included an upset playoff win at Pittsburgh, and only lost at KC by five in the division round. The next season, he tried to play through injuries and took a step back.
The Browns should have stuck with him. Just a terrible organization making another terrible decision.
I know it's early, but here are my predictions of teams who are most likely to watch the playoffs this season:
- New York Jets and every last place team in each division
- Baltimore Ravens
- Dallas Cowboys
With the Falcons win over the Bills, the Patriots are officially first place in the AFC East! Let's go! We are so back.
With the Bears win over the Commanders, the NFC North has every team with a winning record!
The NFC West- can someone please be leading the division? The 49ers, Rams, and the Seahawks are tied for first place, each with a record of 4-2!
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on October 14, 2025, 01:21:13 AMWith the Bears win over the Commanders, the NFC North has every team with a winning record!
For the second year in a row this deep into the season. But this time I'm not counting on it having 3 playoff teams. The NFC is remarkably good again, currently with 10 winning teams, only 4 losing teams, and a 21-12 record vs the AFC which is on pace to break last year's record for the most lopsided interconference record in a season (NFC went 47-33).
My annual 6-week re-rank was more difficult this season than any other I can remember. It's easy to tell who's good and who's bad, but I have no clue
how good any of the good teams are. Change from the start of the season in parentheses.
Tier 1: good1. Chiefs (-) (??? I just don't know who else to put there at this point)
2. Buccaneers (+6)
3. Eagles (-1)
4. Rams (+1)
5. Packers (+1)
6. Lions (+1)
7. Bills (-3)
8. Seahawks (+2)
9. Colts
(+9)10. Commanders (+3)
11. Broncos (-)
12. Chargers (+5)
13. Steelers (+1)
Tier 2: might be good14. Falcons (+5)
15. 49ers (-3) (the injuries are terrible)
16. Jaguars (+6)
17. Patriots (+8)
18. Vikings (-2)
19. Bears (+4)
20. Texans (-11)
Tier 3: bad21. Panthers (+9)
22. Cowboys (-2)
23. Giants (+8)
24. Cardinals (-3)
25. Ravens
(-22)26. Bengals (-11)
27. Raiders (-)
28. Browns (-2)
29. Dolphins (-5)
30. Saints (+2)
31. Titans (-2)
32. Jets (-4)
At this point any of the 13 teams in tier 1 are very liable to beat or lose to anyone else in tier 1, and even tier 2 as well. Every tier 3 team might as well fast forward to the draft (
again, in most cases - it's the usual suspects down there).
Entertaining season so far. Very different from last year, when there were a handful of dominant teams and not much of a middle class. I think the middle class this year is large with a lot of actually good teams.
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on October 14, 2025, 01:21:13 AMThe NFC West- can someone please be leading the division? The 49ers, Rams, and the Seahawks are tied for first place, each with a record of 4-2!
The 49ers lead the division with a 3-0 division record, followed by the Seahawks with a 1-1 division record, and the Rams at 0-1 division record.
As of today the Texans have given up an NFL-low 61 combined points in all their games so far this season, which I believe is 36 points less than the second lowest in that department (Vikings have given up 97 points so far).
How did the Bears mange to pull out that game last night?
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on October 14, 2025, 12:35:56 PMHow did the Bears mange to pull out that game last night?
Mike
Three turnovers by Washington.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 14, 2025, 12:51:35 PMQuote from: mgk920 on October 14, 2025, 12:35:56 PMHow did the Bears mange to pull out that game last night?
Mike
Three turnovers by Washington.
The last one came on a 3rd and 1 with about 3 minutes left. The game isn't over if Washington converts it, but it would have put the Bears in a spot with no margin for error.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan3561 on October 14, 2025, 03:41:01 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 14, 2025, 12:51:35 PMQuote from: mgk920 on October 14, 2025, 12:35:56 PMHow did the Bears mange to pull out that game last night?
Mike
Three turnovers by Washington.
The last one came on a 3rd and 1 with about 3 minutes left. The game isn't over if Washington converts it, but it would have put the Bears in a spot with no margin for error.
Any game the Bears win is a great day/night for me! Especially when it ends in a walkoff score, like it did last night.