https://www.newsweek.com/largest-antebellum-plantation-house-america-destroyed-fire-2073215
Rich people hangout spot burns down. Womp womp.
I see this as a net positive, one less monument to slavery.
At least the house redeemed itself and was put to better use later. Like an Inn.for people to stay at.
Regardless, of who owned it originally, it was an engineering marvel.
I've seen it in person. It was a pretty structure, but that's about all I can say that is positive.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 16, 2025, 06:25:37 PMI see this as a net positive, one less monument to slavery.
This line of thinking gets into the weeds real quick.
Quote from: thspfc on May 16, 2025, 06:39:04 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 16, 2025, 06:25:37 PMI see this as a net positive, one less monument to slavery.
This line of thinking gets into the weeds real quick.
Unfortunately it is part of the history of the structure. Kind of difficult for a lot of people not to associate it with slave labor.
To be clear, I'm not calling for the demolition structures associated with era of slavery. I just don't feel all that bad when things like this happen.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 16, 2025, 06:45:15 PMQuote from: thspfc on May 16, 2025, 06:39:04 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 16, 2025, 06:25:37 PMI see this as a net positive, one less monument to slavery.
This line of thinking gets into the weeds real quick.
Unfortunately it is part of the history of the structure. Kind of difficult for a lot of people not to associate it with slave labor.
To be clear, I'm not calling for the demolition structures associated with era of slavery. I just don't feel all that bad when things like this happen.
I live in an area that has thousands of old remaining homes that had slaves in them. There are tens of thousands in the northeast. Are they exempt just because they discovered slavery sucked, without force being used to enlighten them, a hundred or so years before the south did?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 16, 2025, 06:45:15 PMQuote from: thspfc on May 16, 2025, 06:39:04 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 16, 2025, 06:25:37 PMI see this as a net positive, one less monument to slavery.
This line of thinking gets into the weeds real quick.
Unfortunately it is part of the history of the structure. Kind of difficult for a lot of people not to associate it with slave labor.
To be clear, I'm not calling for the demolition structures associated with era of slavery. I just don't feel all that bad when things like this happen.
I don't feel bad. But I don't think it's a net positive.
It was built in 1859, so barely antebellum.
Barely but still is.
If there is antibellum, that implies a probellum.
How do you tell that a house opposes war?
Quote from: Rothman on May 16, 2025, 09:37:33 PMIf there is antibellum, that implies a probellum.
Hoostown, we half a probellum.
Quote from: thspfc on May 16, 2025, 08:12:36 PMI don't feel bad. But I don't think it's a net positive.
Maybe it can become a Buc-ee's instead. Then everyone will be happy.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 16, 2025, 06:34:52 PMAt least the house redeemed itself and was put to better use later. Like an Inn.for people to stay at.
Regardless, of who owned it originally, it was an engineering marvel.
For me that makes it worse. I don't object to keeping plantations around, but if you do you have to talk about the atrocities that happened there. Turning a plantation into a fancy hotel or wedding venue feels disrespectful to the people who were enslaved there.
Quote from: TheCatalyst31 on May 17, 2025, 10:30:07 PMQuote from: roadman65 on May 16, 2025, 06:34:52 PMAt least the house redeemed itself and was put to better use later. Like an Inn.for people to stay at.
Regardless, of who owned it originally, it was an engineering marvel.
For me that makes it worse. I don't object to keeping plantations around, but if you do you have to talk about the atrocities that happened there. Turning a plantation into a fancy hotel or wedding venue feels disrespectful to the people who were enslaved there.
This articulates what I was trying to get at upthread more succinctly.
Quote from: TheCatalyst31 on May 17, 2025, 10:30:07 PMQuote from: roadman65 on May 16, 2025, 06:34:52 PMAt least the house redeemed itself and was put to better use later. Like an Inn.for people to stay at.
Regardless, of who owned it originally, it was an engineering marvel.
For me that makes it worse. I don't object to keeping plantations around, but if you do you have to talk about the atrocities that happened there. Turning a plantation into a fancy hotel or wedding venue feels disrespectful to the people who were enslaved there.
So what exactly are we supposed to do with them? Tear them all down or turn them into museums? Near where I used to live, there is an old stone house that used to be part of the Underground Railroad. It is now a winery. Is that a respectful purpose?
Don't get me wrong. The last place I would want to be is hanging at a wedding in an antebellum mansion that was part of a plantation. And I am certainly not going to shed a tear that it's gone. I just don't think we should get so hung up on how these facilties are used now. Better than they are useful than torn down for another generic venue IMO.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 18, 2025, 07:43:08 AMQuote from: TheCatalyst31 on May 17, 2025, 10:30:07 PMQuote from: roadman65 on May 16, 2025, 06:34:52 PMAt least the house redeemed itself and was put to better use later. Like an Inn.for people to stay at.
Regardless, of who owned it originally, it was an engineering marvel.
For me that makes it worse. I don't object to keeping plantations around, but if you do you have to talk about the atrocities that happened there. Turning a plantation into a fancy hotel or wedding venue feels disrespectful to the people who were enslaved there.
So what exactly are we supposed to do with them? Tear them all down or turn them into museums?
Yeah.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on May 18, 2025, 12:09:50 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on May 18, 2025, 07:43:08 AMQuote from: TheCatalyst31 on May 17, 2025, 10:30:07 PMQuote from: roadman65 on May 16, 2025, 06:34:52 PMAt least the house redeemed itself and was put to better use later. Like an Inn.for people to stay at.
Regardless, of who owned it originally, it was an engineering marvel.
For me that makes it worse. I don't object to keeping plantations around, but if you do you have to talk about the atrocities that happened there. Turning a plantation into a fancy hotel or wedding venue feels disrespectful to the people who were enslaved there.
So what exactly are we supposed to do with them? Tear them all down or turn them into museums?
Yeah.
Nah. The former is wasteful and the latter won't draw enough interest.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 18, 2025, 12:19:42 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on May 18, 2025, 12:09:50 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on May 18, 2025, 07:43:08 AMQuote from: TheCatalyst31 on May 17, 2025, 10:30:07 PMQuote from: roadman65 on May 16, 2025, 06:34:52 PMAt least the house redeemed itself and was put to better use later. Like an Inn.for people to stay at.
Regardless, of who owned it originally, it was an engineering marvel.
For me that makes it worse. I don't object to keeping plantations around, but if you do you have to talk about the atrocities that happened there. Turning a plantation into a fancy hotel or wedding venue feels disrespectful to the people who were enslaved there.
So what exactly are we supposed to do with them? Tear them all down or turn them into museums?
Yeah.
Nah. The former is wasteful and the latter won't draw enough interest.
Because it makes more sense for wealthy white people to continue doing wealthy white people things in there.
The ancient Greek gods were not my religion, but I appreciate their temples and I'm glad they weren't all destroyed.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on May 18, 2025, 12:42:11 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on May 18, 2025, 12:19:42 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on May 18, 2025, 12:09:50 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on May 18, 2025, 07:43:08 AMQuote from: TheCatalyst31 on May 17, 2025, 10:30:07 PMQuote from: roadman65 on May 16, 2025, 06:34:52 PMAt least the house redeemed itself and was put to better use later. Like an Inn.for people to stay at.
Regardless, of who owned it originally, it was an engineering marvel.
For me that makes it worse. I don't object to keeping plantations around, but if you do you have to talk about the atrocities that happened there. Turning a plantation into a fancy hotel or wedding venue feels disrespectful to the people who were enslaved there.
So what exactly are we supposed to do with them? Tear them all down or turn them into museums?
Yeah.
Nah. The former is wasteful and the latter won't draw enough interest.
Because it makes more sense for wealthy white people to continue doing wealthy white people things in there.
Makes way more sense than tearing them down. Wealthy white people would simply find other places to do wealthy white people things.
Quote from: kkt on May 18, 2025, 01:58:31 PMThe ancient Greek gods were not my religion, but I appreciate their temples and I'm glad they weren't all destroyed.
Wrong argument. By stating it this way, you're comparing an industrial site that was directly and economically supported by human chattel slavery to a house of worship.
A better argument would be to compare American slavery to Greek slavery and whether the Greek temples and American plantations were in essence the same.
Stuff happens and things get destroyed. Yes when they do, especially something that stood there for so long.
This won't be the last time an old icon, structure, or symbol will perish. Heck even US 66 was lost, and it was another highway.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 18, 2025, 08:13:38 PMStuff happens and things get destroyed. Yes when they do, especially something that stood there for so long.
This won't be the last time an old icon, structure, or symbol will perish. Heck even US 66 was lost, and it was another highway.
A lot of burned ruins of roadside attractions along the corridors which comprised US 66 have become famed roadside attractions. From what I've gathered many of those structures weren't even notable (thinking of Cadiz Summit) until they became ruins. I'm fairly convinced that US 66 is more famous now because of all the modern lore building than it ever was as an active highway.