I'm going to snag a picture this week of where I'm talking about, but do any of you know of street names that are redundant in name or direction? For example, where I live in Denton texas, all the streets have directions with the name (W Oak St, N Elm St...) if they cross the streets of the downtown square. US 380 for example is University Ave across town and is E University and W University on either side of Locust St. However there is apparently a N. North Texas Blvd :-D It's only for a block because North Texas runs mainly south of Hickory, but for the one block between W Hickory and W. Oak St it's considered North. It doesn't show on Google Maps and the satellite still shows the old University of North Texas street signs, but I'll post a picture of the present signage later
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=33.215591,-97.155039&spn=0.003303,0.004823&t=m&z=18&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=33.2157,-97.15504&panoid=zn8r-FpPHWMZdr8Ed98B_w&cbp=12,115.95,,0,-0.3 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=33.215591,-97.155039&spn=0.003303,0.004823&t=m&z=18&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=33.2157,-97.15504&panoid=zn8r-FpPHWMZdr8Ed98B_w&cbp=12,115.95,,0,-0.3)
S. South Chicago St in Chicago runs diagonal (NW-SE) in the South Side, parallel to the Skyway. I'm pretty sure nobody uses the word "south" twice, but the signs do: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41.765806,-87.605538&spn=0.000064,0.054932&t=m&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=41.765883,-87.605558&panoid=DT1cWovuOYrVv-l2KkK1Hg&cbp=12,9.28,,0,1.9&z=15
These aren't necessarily reudundant, but somewhat relate to the topic: in Atlanta there's a Parkway Drive and a Boulevard Drive.
Be well,
Bryant
I always thought "Broadway Street" was redundant.
Quote from: pianocello on September 21, 2011, 08:48:39 PM
S. South Chicago St in Chicago runs diagonal (NW-SE) in the South Side, parallel to the Skyway. I'm pretty sure nobody uses the word "south" twice, but the signs do: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41.765806,-87.605538&spn=0.000064,0.054932&t=m&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=41.765883,-87.605558&panoid=DT1cWovuOYrVv-l2KkK1Hg&cbp=12,9.28,,0,1.9&z=15
S South Shore Dr (US 41):
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41.760589,-87.557173&spn=0.019143,0.043945&t=m&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=41.760688,-87.557259&panoid=BNGR4vma94UthICxTW33Hg&cbp=12,207.33,,0,-16.52&z=15
Mike
Quote from: Bryant5493 on September 21, 2011, 10:09:14 PM
These aren't necessarily reudundant, but somewhat relate to the topic: in Atlanta there's a Parkway Drive and a Boulevard Drive.
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Similarly, Toronto has an Avenue Road.
The ultimate in suffixes is probably the former Charles Street Avenue Road in Baltimore.
Quote from: NE2 on September 21, 2011, 11:06:24 PM
The ultimate in suffixes is probably the former Charles Street Avenue Road in Baltimore.
Really? LOL
Be well,
Bryant
Louisiana Avenue Pkwy in New Orleans.
Oak Avenue Parkway in Folsom, although I think it was originally basically an upgrade/extension to Oak Avenue.
El Camino Avenue technically, in Sacramento (which translates to "The Avenue Road").
Street Road (Pa 132) NE of Philly.
Slightly closer to what the OP was talking about, Seattle has both a E. Green Lake Way N. and a W. Green Lake Way N.
Also, Bellingham has a North Street, divided into W North Street and E North Street.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 21, 2011, 10:15:15 PM
I always thought "Broadway Street" was redundant.
I've always wondered about that too-not necessarily sure that it is redundant, but that there is not consistency in how it is named. I've seen Broadway Street, Avenue, Boulevard, and sometimes just "Broadway". I don't think I've ever seen "Broadway Way" though.
A long time ago, before the emergency 911 system, the Town of Williston, S.C. used to have a WEST MAIN ST and a EAST MAIN ST.
Also, there is an AIKEN RD just west of the City of Aiken, S.C. in the county of Aiken. Also a BEECH ISLAND AV in Beech Island, a SOUTH AIKEN BLVD and a SOUTH AIKEN LN right at -- yep -- South Aiken High School. Also, a WILLISTON WAY in the Williston zip code boundary (29853) as well as a BARNWELL ST (although in Williston) in Barnwell County. Also, an ALLENDALE-FAIRFAX HY that goes through Allendale-Fairfax High School. Also, an EDGEFIELD RD in Edgefield County (a continuation of the street name on the Aiken County side of the City of North Augusta). Also, a RIDGE SPRING HY in the Ridge Spring zip code boundary (29129) of Saluda County. A WAGENER RD in the Wagener zip code area (29164); a SALLEY RD in the Salley zip code area (29137) of Aiken AND Orangeburg counties; a HILDA RD in the Hilda, S.C. town limits; a NORTH RD in the North, South Carolina town limits; a SPRINGFIELD RD in the Springfield town limits; a NEESES HY in the Neeses town limits; a WINDSOR RD and a NORTH WINDSOR RD in Windsor; a PINE LOG RD and EAST PINE LOG RD in Aiken; a POWDER HOUSE RD and an OLD POWDER HOUSE RD in Aiken; and a WHISKEY RD, an OLD WHISKEY RD and a SOUTH WHISKEY RD in New Ellenton.
Signage on PA 284 in Buttonwood has [RT 284 HWY] signage.
Much of PA 252 is called Newtown Street Road.
Springfield, IL has both a North Grand Avenue (NE or NW) and a South Grand Avenue (SE or SW).
My ex-gf lived on 31st Avenue Way. To this day I don't understand how it got named like that.
Quote from: huskeroadgeek on September 22, 2011, 01:21:22 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 21, 2011, 10:15:15 PM
I always thought "Broadway Street" was redundant.
I've always wondered about that too-not necessarily sure that it is redundant, but that there is not consistency in how it is named. I've seen Broadway Street, Avenue, Boulevard, and sometimes just "Broadway". I don't think I've ever seen "Broadway Way" though.
I live on Broadway Avenue. If you take the Broadway Avenue Bridge across the river, you find yourself on Broadway Street, which intersects Broadway Road.
I guess I beat our forummates from Atlanta confused over how to handle all the different variations of streets named Peachtree(and the Doraville Area is not any better than downtown).
There's a Boulevard Street in Edmond, OK.
Goldsby, OK has a bit of a conundrum going on with the name "Ladd", as an important landmark on the east edge of the town is the old one-room Ladd Schoolhouse. Both streets that intersect there are "Ladd Road", with the east west road being "East Ladd Road" (switching to West Ladd where it crosses SH-74) and the north-south road being "South Ladd Road" (theoretically switching to "North Ladd Road" where it crosses Center, but I think that point it curves and assumes a different name). The intersection is skewed due to I-35 being built right through it, so East Ladd and South Ladd technically run concurrent across the bridge. Confusion is mitigated somewhat by East Ladd being referred to as the true "Ladd Road" and the NS road being "South Ladd". None of this is really redundant, just confusing, but serves to add context to this: There was once a "Ladd Road Lane" branching off of South Ladd! It fell outside of Goldsby city limits though so whenever McClain County instituted 911 addressing it was retitled to CR 288, mercifully.
Fayetteville, AR has W Custer Ln which turns a corner and becomes S Custer Ln then turns again to become E Custer Ln
There's a Street Road in Allegany County, MD, that passes over I-68. For a while, Google Maps abbreviated its name to "St Rd". The math nerd in me also likes its close neighbor Tensor Lane.
Garden City, Kansas, has a Terrace Place.
Joplin at one time had a part of, I think it was 26th St., named after Gabby Street and was called Gabby Street Boulevard. It was eventually changed back.
I feel like this has been discussed before...
Ellizabeth City, NC has a Road Street (which Google annoyingly abbreviates "Rd St").
Maybe not redundant, but a little odd: "9th Street Rd" (between Lafayette and Battleground, Indiana)
Quote from: Coelacanth on September 22, 2011, 03:23:25 PM
Quote from: huskeroadgeek on September 22, 2011, 01:21:22 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 21, 2011, 10:15:15 PM
I always thought "Broadway Street" was redundant.
I've always wondered about that too-not necessarily sure that it is redundant, but that there is not consistency in how it is named. I've seen Broadway Street, Avenue, Boulevard, and sometimes just "Broadway". I don't think I've ever seen "Broadway Way" though.
I live on Broadway Avenue. If you take the Broadway Avenue Bridge across the river, you find yourself on Broadway Street, which intersects Broadway Road.
In Holbrook/Sayville, NY, there's a Broadway Avenue that's an unsigned county road. Its southern terminus is at Montauk Hwy. (Suffolk CR 85 and former NY 27A) and right near the intersection, Old Montauk Hwy. shortly parallels current Montauk Hwy. (which is to the south) while Old Broadway Ave. parallels current Broadway Avenue (which is to the west).
Quote from: Roadgeek Adam on September 22, 2011, 05:59:48 AMSignage on PA 284 in Buttonwood has [RT 284 HWY] signage.
Indiana County does the same thing, as for example US 119 is marked "ROUTE 119 HWY." Even its former segments are marked "OLD ROUTE 119 HWY."
Lansing, MI has a W. North and a N. East.
Plain City, OH has a section of its West St east of Chillicothe St, which therefore must be called E West St. I'm not sure if the rest of it is W West St, or just West St.
Some of the side-street signs on Corinth Street south of downtown Dallas read "Corinth Street Road". Not sure if someone at the sign shop was feeling excessive with his lettering on those blades but I think it's only supposed to be Corinth Street.
Quote from: Rushmeister on September 23, 2011, 12:35:41 PM
Maybe not redundant, but a little odd: "9th Street Rd" (between Lafayette and Battleground, Indiana)
This happens sometimes in Kansas and Missouri when a county extends the name of a city street onto the road outside the city limits. Main Street north of Joplin is known as Main Street Road. Ohio Street north of Augusta, Kan., north to K-254 becomes Ohio Street Road.
Springfield, IL has a Walnut Street Rd and an 8th Street Rd. Goochland and Louisa County, VA have a Broad Street Rd (US 250, basically the continuation of Broad Street in the City of Richmond and Henrico County).
Not sure if this fits the category, but it's just really confusing:
In Chicago's Edgebrook neighborhood, both the SSW-NNE streets and the WNW-ESE streets are designated as north-south even though they are perpendicular to each other. For example, N Hiawatha Ave and N Algonquin Ave actually cross each other perpendicularly. N Hiawatha Ave is slanted more east-west than north-south but is still designated as a north-south street. However, the most notable example of this in Chicago is S Archer Ave between 50th and 55th. In that area, its slant takes it 3 miles west and only 5/8 of a mile south but it's still designated as north-south until it hooks on to W 55th St (and even then Google Maps shows it as being both W Archer Ave and S Archer Ave even though it's going due west)
In the Delray neighborhood of Detroit, there is a South West End Street that is a continuation of Springwells Street.
I'm shocked to be the first Columbusite to mention East and West North Broadway, a road significant enough to have exits on I-71 and SR315.
Edit: There is a Hardy Parkway St. signed by Franklin County but everyone calls it Hardy Parkway. It's hardly a parkway, so I wonder about the story there.
Quote from: 6a on September 25, 2011, 09:39:51 PM
I'm shocked to be the first Columbusite to mention East and West North Broadway, a road significant enough to have exits on I-71 and SR315.
Other than it having no suffix designation (st, ave, pkwy, etc), I didn't think E/W North Broadway's name fit this theme.
North Southport Avenue & South Southport Avenue in Chicago
From Alps' Roads (http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/fl/fl_826/)...Palmetto Expressway fun!
North South River Road and South South River Road, indeed (http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/fl/fl_826/n27r2.jpg).
In Glendale, California, there is a long street called Verdugo Road, which in a little community called Montrose, bends east and becomes Verdugo Boulevard as it climbs the hill into La Canada Flintridge. It used to be California 2 before the 2 Freeway was built in the 1970s.
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on September 26, 2011, 09:20:17 PM
Quote from: 6a on September 25, 2011, 09:39:51 PM
I'm shocked to be the first Columbusite to mention East and West North Broadway, a road significant enough to have exits on I-71 and SR315.
Other than it having no suffix designation (st, ave, pkwy, etc), I didn't think E/W North Broadway's name fit this theme.
I dunno, having two directional prefixes seems pretty redundant to me.
It's not the same thing as a redundant street name, but I think the excessive bilingualism on some of the signs in the Ottawa area falls within the spirit of this thread. I have no gripe with signs that say things like "Rue Wellington St." or "Pont Champlain Bridge." It's useful guidance for people who don't speak the other language.
But the signs shown at the link below are just stupid. No speaker of either language would be confused if one of the "Avenue" abbreviations were omitted.
http://maps.google.com/?ll=45.371263,-75.753865&spn=0.023064,0.066047&t=h&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=45.371063,-75.754054&panoid=RTbo_hOUqhS3R5zj0H_yFA&cbp=12,207.48,,0,3.92
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 27, 2011, 06:06:19 PM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on September 26, 2011, 09:20:17 PM
Quote from: 6a on September 25, 2011, 09:39:51 PM
I'm shocked to be the first Columbusite to mention East and West North Broadway, a road significant enough to have exits on I-71 and SR315.
Other than it having no suffix designation (st, ave, pkwy, etc), I didn't think E/W North Broadway's name fit this theme.
I dunno, having two directional prefixes seems pretty redundant to me.
The North in North Broadway isn't a directional prefix. It's part of the core of the name, like North Star Rd. Most of the examples in this thread, however, have involved a directional prefix in front of a street name beginning with a direction word.
Actually, I'm of the opinion that directional prefixes aren't really part of the road name at all, but instead they are the sign (positive or negative) part of the housenumber in an address. In many cases, it's left out entirely in casual references to the street.
Quote from: vtk on September 27, 2011, 06:27:24 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 27, 2011, 06:06:19 PM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on September 26, 2011, 09:20:17 PM
Quote from: 6a on September 25, 2011, 09:39:51 PM
I'm shocked to be the first Columbusite to mention East and West North Broadway, a road significant enough to have exits on I-71 and SR315.
Other than it having no suffix designation (st, ave, pkwy, etc), I didn't think E/W North Broadway's name fit this theme.
I dunno, having two directional prefixes seems pretty redundant to me.
The North in North Broadway isn't a directional prefix. It's part of the core of the name, like North Star Rd. Most of the examples in this thread, however, have involved a directional prefix in front of a street name beginning with a direction word.
Actually, I'm of the opinion that directional prefixes aren't really part of the road name at all, but instead they are the sign (positive or negative) part of the housenumber in an address. In many cases, it's left out entirely in casual references to the street.
Maybe so, though that wouldn't necessarily be how I would interpret North Broadway as a visitor. Of course in my city the prefixes do mean something–streets numbers increase from south to north going from Reno with the N.E. or N.W. prefix, and increase going north to south with the S.E. or S.W. prefix. So there are two 10th Streets, a N.E. 10th and a N.W. 10th.
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 27, 2011, 06:20:33 PM
But the signs shown at the link below are just stupid. No speaker of either language would be confused if one of the "Avenue" abbreviations were omitted.
agreed. have about half the streets designated "Av. Foo" and the other half "Bar Ave." and use just that consistently. (it would be confusing to see alternate signage for "Av. Foo" and "Foo Ave." - as bad as it is seeing 101 signed E/W and N/S paralleling Ventura Blvd. in Los Angeles)
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 27, 2011, 06:20:33 PM
It's not the same thing as a redundant street name, but I think the excessive bilingualism on some of the signs in the Ottawa area falls within the spirit of this thread. I have no gripe with signs that say things like "Rue Wellington St." or "Pont Champlain Bridge." It's useful guidance for people who don't speak the other language.
But the signs shown at the link below are just stupid. No speaker of either language would be confused if one of the "Avenue" abbreviations were omitted.
http://maps.google.com/?ll=45.371263,-75.753865&spn=0.023064,0.066047&t=h&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=45.371063,-75.754054&panoid=RTbo_hOUqhS3R5zj0H_yFA&cbp=12,207.48,,0,3.92
To me, that's just a quirky side effect of a consistent policy. It doesn't bother me.
It does, however, remind me of a visit to southern California a few years back. I wondered why the abbreviation for "Avenida" was "Avd" – is that abbreviation common in Spanish-speaking countries? Seems to me "Ave" would suffice, and possibly, the only reason to use "Avd" is to avoid confusion with the English suffix Avenue – but I don't think that would be a problem in the first place. If "Ave" was used for both words, then one can guess which expansion is correct from the placement of the abbreviation: "California Ave" would expand to "California Avenue", wheras "Ave California" would expand to "Avenida California".
On the other hand, using "Avd" isn't any more expensive or confusing than "Ave", so there's really no downside to solving this non-existant problem of ambiguity. And if "Avd" really is the more common Hispanic abbreviation, then this whole rant is moot anyway.
Oh, I forgot: Sunnylane Road in OKC/Del City. Sometimes seen as Sunny Lane Road, but without the space is "correct". Still though, is it a lane or a road?
Quote from: BamaZeus on September 22, 2011, 12:25:16 PM
My ex-gf lived on 31st Avenue Way. To this day I don't understand how it got named like that.
There's a lot of streets in Greeley, Colorado named this way - my sister used to live on 2nd Street Road. Usually the double-named streets are smaller offshoots of the main street (2nd St. in this case).
Also, there's 6th Avenue Parkway in Denver.
Just south of downtown Baltimore, there's a E. West St and W. West St crossing Charles St.
South of the city limits in Traverse City, MI, the highway no longer uses "Division Street" for address purposes. Instead, it is "US 31 South" to contrast it with "US 31 East" on the other side of town. Depending on if a location is north or south of South Airport Road, street addresses are either "North US 31 South" or just "US 31 South".
Quote from: bulldog1979 on September 28, 2011, 09:20:51 PM
South of the city limits in Traverse City, MI, the highway no longer uses "Division Street" for address purposes. Instead, it is "US 31 South" to contrast it with "US 31 East" on the other side of town. Depending on if a location is north or south of South Airport Road, street addresses are either "North US 31 South" or just "US 31 South".
That's messed up on a number of levels, IMO.
Quote from: bulldog1979 on September 28, 2011, 09:20:51 PM
South of the city limits in Traverse City, MI, the highway no longer uses "Division Street" for address purposes. Instead, it is "US 31 South" to contrast it with "US 31 East" on the other side of town. Depending on if a location is north or south of South Airport Road, street addresses are either "North US 31 South" or just "US 31 South".
The north-south dividing line is actually Rennie School Rd, approximately 2.5 miles south of South Airport Rd.
The first street that came to mind was North Street in Appleton, WI, which is either East North Street or West North Street, depending on what side of Oneida Street you're on.
A true example of redundancy that I remember from my high school days was 5th Street Road near Antigo, WI, which is an offshoot of 5th Street in town.
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Miami has a North River Drive (Both NW and SW) and a South River Drive (Both NW and SW). When it all gets abbreviated it looks quite redundant.
http://maps.google.com/?ll=25.777711,-80.203372&spn=0.00065,0.001204&t=h&z=20&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=25.777682,-80.203491&panoid=mqxPbjaSyt2UxRyh4i_d0g&cbp=12,254.4,,1,-5.81
Miami-Dade has a lot of "Street Avenues", et al...which is completely redundant.
There's about 50 synonyms for road, couldn't decide on one for each direction?
Bank Street Road, Batavia NY. And many other similar examples where city streets become county roads at the city limit, and the county names them in the same format. I don't think this is confined to Genesee County, either...
yesterday we headed westbound on South Boulevard E. in Montgomery, so in effect we were going West on East South Boulevard, 3 directions at the same time
There are lots of streets and roads named "13", like 13th Place in L.A. where it meets Main Street and the local street gang "MS13" began their nationwide gang war from there. Today, through efforts of city leaders and local residents, the district was rechristened South L.A. no longer called South-Central (despite Central Ave. crosses there) and the section is renamed "Little Salvador" for the el Salvadoran community formed there in the 1980s/90s bordered by I-10/I-110 facing the USC campus and Staples Center. Nobody wants a number "13" on their neigbhorhood or be known solely for gangs and crime.
Springfield Avenue in the Springfield, NJ area is used too much!
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Boggy Creek Road in Kissimmee, FL is used too much. At one point there are two Boggy Creek Roads that intersect.
Orange Blossom Trail could be considered redundant as it runs through Orange County along US 441 (changes briefly for Main Street in Apopka) then at Kissimmee it is Orange Blossom Trail in two places that are not directly linked except by number of route 17 & 92. North of Kissimmee Orange Blossom Trail is US 17 & 92 as well as south of it, but through Kissimmee 17 & 92 changes alignments many times even before it was removed from Downtown Kissimmee. Us road geeks do not, but others would consider it to be confusing.
Kinda reminds me of how in North Miami Beach, FL, SR 826 AKA. NE 163 ST curves northward and becomes NE 167 ST. The 167 ST that existed where SR 826 was 163 ST intersects with SR 826 as 167th and results in the intersection of 167 ST and 167 ST.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=33162&hl=en&ll=25.928501,-80.182592&spn=0.001206,0.002411&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=34.808514,79.013672&vpsrc=6&hnear=Miami,+Florida+33162&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=25.928614,-80.182428&panoid=wr0NcT_oyIlSxmmFRrjX8A&cbp=12,276.26,,0,-4.06
And if memory serves me correctly, the arrows on the green street signs did not used to be there, making this intersection quite confusing.
Broadway is redundant in the five boroughs of New York City. Each borough has its own "Broadway" with Manhattan and The Bronx being the same one on US 9 that extends miles into neighboring Westchester County. The other 4 are not connected nor run in a straight line from each other.
Smith Street is used a few times in Woodbridge, NJ as the different ones are in different zip codes with different section names. Example: the Keasbey part of the township has the continuation of Perth Amboy's Smith Street signed as it, and the Avenel section has one located off US 1 & 9. I believe Iselin (also part of Woodbridge) has one, but cannot be sure.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 01, 2012, 07:18:50 PM
Broadway is redundant in the five boroughs of New York City. Each borough has its own "Broadway" with Manhattan and The Bronx being the same one on US 9 that extends miles into neighboring Westchester County. The other 4 are not connected nor run in a straight line from each other.
That's not redundant.
Quote from: InterstateNG on January 01, 2012, 08:54:13 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 01, 2012, 07:18:50 PM
Broadway is redundant in the five boroughs of New York City. Each borough has its own "Broadway" with Manhattan and The Bronx being the same one on US 9 that extends miles into neighboring Westchester County. The other 4 are not connected nor run in a straight line from each other.
That's not redundant.
Ambiguous, perhaps.
From Melbourne, Victoria...
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High Street Rd is an eastern continuation of High St through the SE suburbs of Melbourne.
The road leading to the new high school in Garden City, Kansas, (my hometown) has been christened "Buffalo Way Boulevard".
Richmond has a few "(name) Street Road"s: Broad Street Road (US 250 in Goochland County; becomes Broad Street at the Henrico-Goochland line), Hull Street Road (US 360 in Chesterfield County and western Richmond; becomes Hull Street closer to Manchester's old downtown) and Cary Street Road (VA 147 between I-195 and Three Chopt Road, all within Richmond city limits). A non-roadgeek friend once joklingly commented on the latter that if it were longer it should be Cary Street Road Boulevard Highway.
Surprised no one's brought up West Lane Road up near Rockford, IL.
On Page 1, I posted about Bellingham's E/W North Street.
There's also James Street Road and Yew Street Road. For whatever reason, James Street and Yew Street gain an extra suffix when they leave the city limits.
Colonial Drive in Ocoee, FL and Winter Garden, FL used to be WB. Bill McGee Highway years ago. What is interesting is the Bill is nickname for the name William which is what the "W" stands for in the name. It should have been just WB McGee Highway or just Bill McGee Highway. Orange County, FL decided to make all of SR 50 through the Orlando area Colonial Drive so it would be uniform to avoid constant name changes like many places in my homestate of New Jersey with names changing at town lines and major streets. So this redundant name use is something of the past, but still worth mentioning.
Sorry about the 5 Broadways as I misunderstood what the topic meant.
Oh, and Street Road in Bucks County, PA that is PA Route 132.
I find it quite commonsense that a Street would change its name to Street Road upon leaving city limits. The term Street typically refers only to an urban setting, so a name like 5th Street Road immediately makes me think that it's a rural road that leads to 5th Street, in exactly the same way that Herrin Road is a rural road that leads to the town of Herrin.
Quote from: kphoger on January 07, 2012, 09:52:48 AM
I find it quite commonsense that a Street would change its name to Street Road upon leaving city limits. The term Street typically refers only to an urban setting, so a name like 5th Street Road immediately makes me think that it's a rural road that leads to 5th Street, in exactly the same way that Herrin Road is a rural road that leads to the town of Herrin.
Morris County, NJ does it right with Sussex Turnpike. When the roadway enters Morristown it becomes Sussex Avenue cause its no longer that suburban type of artery, but a city street.
Elizabeth, NJ has something similar with Jersey Street becoming Jersey Avenue on the west side of town. Here its not a change of coporation but within the city limits. Then a short while later it becomes Third Avenue upon leaving Elizabeth. No redundancy either.
I still often wonder why in New York there is a street just called Bowery with no Street, Avenue, Boulevard, etc. No name at all. I mean I see streets with the title "The" and no name, but its just plain "Bowery."
The Bowery does take the definite article in common usage, even if not signed that way. It's a rare construction in the US (definite article + proper name), where we almost exclusively use proper name + designator (street/road/avenue etc.). It tends to give things an antique or old-world flair, though I'd wager that most current instances are newly fabricated just for that reason. The Bowery is one authentic example, at least.
One that I just remembered seeing a few weeks ago: Boulevard Avenue in Atlantic City, NJ.
I always got a kick out of Chicago Avenue in Chicago. Well, duh!!
There's a State Road in West Branch, Michigan which is neither a state road nor a county-designed highway.
Relating to recent posts:
There's a Federal Road south of Springfield, Ohio which is just a county highway that essentially dead ends in the middle of nowhere. It probably has a sensible history but it's not obvious today.
In the Columbus area we have Lane Avenue, Lane Road, and Parkway Lane. I think Hardy Parkway Street and (E/W) North Broadway have already been mentioned.
In Easton Town Center, there's a street called The Strand, which does like I-35 and splits into parallel East and West halves. Obviously a recent attempt at antique naming.
Quote from: formulanone on January 07, 2012, 02:41:07 PM
There's a State Road in West Branch, Michigan which is neither a state road nor a county-designed highway.
There are plenty of State Road/Streets out there (Ann Arbor, MI for one), but how is that redundant?
Between Cleveland and Wadsworth there is State Rd. In Cuyahoga Co. Oh 94 is State Rd. In Medina Co. State Rd parallels (generally by one block) Oh 94.
East of Cleveland, in Geauga Co. Oh 608 is named Old State Road. What's so old about it, I don't know.
North of Columbus, in Delaware Co. there is another Old State Road. Though in this case, the road was a "state road" back in the 19th Century.
http://www.roadfan.com/strdcohx.html (http://www.roadfan.com/strdcohx.html)
Parkway Drive in Clark, NJ.
Broadway Avenue in Kissimmee, FL (unofficial name, but actual with street signs leaving out the avenue)
Vine Street Expressway in Philadelphia, PA.
There's also a Parkway Drive in Williamsburg. It serves the purpose of connecting the Colonial Parkway to other roads (it was even a state route for awhile, VA 163), so I don't consider that redundant. I don't know about the one in NJ, though.
When Lincoln built a new baseball stadium about 10 years ago, the access rd. into the stadium from the main road was cleverly designated as "Line Drive" with the word "drive" having a dual use. Yet originally when it was built the street signs read "Line Drive St.". Whoever made the signs in the shop must not have caught the dual use of the word "drive". They were later changed and now just read "Line Drive" as originally intended.
Quote from: Takumi on January 08, 2012, 09:30:07 AM
There's also a Parkway Drive in Williamsburg. It serves the purpose of connecting the Colonial Parkway to other roads (it was even a state route for awhile, VA 163), so I don't consider that redundant. I don't know about the one in NJ, though.
Its a drive to the Parkway.
In Clark, NJ its called that because Union County, NJ established the entire right of way along the Rahway River as the Rahway River Parkway from the Amtrak NE Corridor (defunct PRR) and the Essex County Line. The roadway is in two segments (never completed), but completely along the boundary of this tract of land.
It is one place that the name Parkway is not for a street or road, but to land itself to keep developers off the riverbanks. So in this case the way the name is being used, just like in Williamsburg, is a proper noun, so its not redundant. However, it uses a name that can be being Parkway and Drive are commonly used as types of roadways.
Not sure if it's redundant or not, but on the southwest side of Indianapolis there is a short road that follows a railroad track that's called Railroad Road. If nothing else, it's fun to say.
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 08, 2012, 04:55:58 PM
Not sure if it's redundant or not, but on the southwest side of Indianapolis there is a short road that follows a railroad track that's called Railroad Road. If nothing else, it's fun to say.
It is fun to say. Nonetheless, its like people saying PIN number or TWA airlines. Both abbreviations have the accompying word in it already that are and were common misconceptions.
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 08, 2012, 04:55:58 PM
Not sure if it's redundant or not, but on the southwest side of Indianapolis there is a short road that follows a railroad track that's called Railroad Road. If nothing else, it's fun to say.
Yeah, there's also an Old Railroad Bed Road in Huntsville, Alabama. I suppose as "railroad" is a compound word, it doesn't really count.
Quote from: empirestate on January 07, 2012, 01:01:41 PM
The Bowery does take the definite article in common usage, even if not signed that way. It's a rare construction in the US (definite article + proper name), where we almost exclusively use proper name + designator (street/road/avenue etc.). It tends to give things an antique or old-world flair, though I'd wager that most current instances are newly fabricated just for that reason. The Bowery is one authentic example, at least.
In this vein, there is a street not far from where I live called "The Parkway." What I find amusing about it is that my Acura's sat-nav, which displays the name of a street without the descriptor (e.g., Duke Street shows up on the sat-nav map as "Duke"), displays that street as "The" unless and until you click the joystick somewhere along it to display an address or get directions. Google Maps displays it as "The Pkwy," which is similar in that it implies that the street is "The." So if you were just looking at the map on my nav screen, you'd think you had to turn left from "Kings" onto "The."
I wonder if the band "The The" ever visited that street.
Regarding "Bowery," the word is derived from a Dutch word meaning "farm." A few years ago for Christmas my mother gave me a copy of Edward Rutherfurd's novel
New York, which is historical fiction set in New York City beginning in the 1600s when it was still New Amsterdam and continuing up through September 11, 2011; as with his other novels, it follows a couple of fictional families. Anyway, one of the things that was interesting was seeing how many old Dutch names have become ubiquitous in ways we don't realize. The term "bouwerij" (sometimes anglicized to "bouwerie") was apparently a fairly common term back then used to refer to farmers' property in the area, especially as you went further north towards upper Manhattan or the land further north belonging to Jonas Bronck. Supposedly the street now known as either "Bowery" or "the Bowery" got its name in the same way that many other roads in the US got their names–it connected the small town of New Amsterdam to the farms ("boweries") located further out. (Same principle "kphoger" mentions in his comment further up the thread.)
I have absolutely no idea why the name has no descriptor, though. My gut suggests to me that the word "Bowery" is unique enough that people didn't feel the need to add anything to distinguish it and so the use of the descriptor just dropped away over time. "Broadway" at least works as an elision of "Broad Way" such that no descriptor would be needed.
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 10, 2012, 10:25:11 AM
I have absolutely no idea why the name has no descriptor, though. My gut suggests to me that the word "Bowery" is unique enough that people didn't feel the need to add anything to distinguish it and so the use of the descriptor just dropped away over time.
As to that, I'd just reiterate that descriptors are not necessarily the historical norm, and if you go over to England you'll doubtless find a whole lot more examples. New York being about as old an English-speaking settlement as you'll find in this country, there are still a few holdovers. I don't think Bowery ever had a descriptor; you'd just say "I'm going to the Bowery" the same way we now say "I'm going to the Mall".
(Actually, that's another good example: The Mall in Washington, DC. It's not Mall Avenue or Mall Boulevard or anything; it's just The Mall.)
Quote from: empirestate on January 10, 2012, 01:44:31 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 10, 2012, 10:25:11 AM
I have absolutely no idea why the name has no descriptor, though. My gut suggests to me that the word "Bowery" is unique enough that people didn't feel the need to add anything to distinguish it and so the use of the descriptor just dropped away over time.
As to that, I'd just reiterate that descriptors are not necessarily the historical norm, and if you go over to England you'll doubtless find a whole lot more examples. New York being about as old an English-speaking settlement as you'll find in this country, there are still a few holdovers. I don't think Bowery ever had a descriptor; you'd just say "I'm going to the Bowery" the same way we now say "I'm going to the Mall".
(Actually, that's another good example: The Mall in Washington, DC. It's not Mall Avenue or Mall Boulevard or anything; it's just The Mall.)
Technically it's the National Mall.
I know a fair number of newcomers to the area who hear "the Mall" and they automatically assume you mean Tysons Corner Center.
Kansas City, MO has a street called the Paseo. Matter of fact the I-35 Bridge across the Missouri River is called that cause the freeway is in line with this boulevard type arterial.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 10, 2012, 07:45:35 PM
Kansas City, MO has a street called the Paseo. Matter of fact the I-35 Bridge across the Missouri River is called that cause the freeway is in line with this boulevard type arterial.
Which means "The Drive" in Spanish. Not exactly redundant (not that most of the ones we're mentioning actually are anyway), but funny nonetheless.
In my hometown of Bloomsburg, you have an extension of East 5th Street into Scott Township called 5th Street Hollow Road.
http://maps.google.com/?ll=41.008184,-76.433827&spn=0.00353,0.010568&t=m&z=17&vpsrc=6
I remember Cuyahoga Falls, OH has a State Road as well. Now, before the freeway was built, it did carry OH 8!
In Tigard, Oregon there is a "Southwest North Dakota Street".
In Salt Lake City there is West North Temple, East North Temple (the street name is "North Temple", you are either West or East), West South Temple and East South Temple (street name is "South Temple") and North West Temple and South West Temple (the street name is "West Temple".)
In Kalispell, Montana there is a 1st Street West and a 1st Street East (which is the same street), a 1st Avenue West, and a 1st Avenue East (which are not the same street).
You can literally be at the corner of "First and First", and two blocks away again be at "First and First". This is also true for streets in Utah that use the coordinate system.
Portland, Oregon is notorious for having redundant and duplicate streets - North Portland Road and Northeast Portland Highway are two very different streets. Grant Street and Grant Avenue are not the same. On the bus not too long ago a rider asked if the bus stopped "at Hall". The bus driver said yes. At 5th and Hall Street in downtown Portland, the rider did not get off. At Hall Boulevard in Tigard, the bus didn't stop. The rider admonished the driver (who was confused - he wasn't too familiar with Tigard) until I let him know that there is a Hall Boulevard in Tigard and that the express bus we were on stopped a couple blocks past Hall.
Pueblo West CO where I live is a "planned community", all laid out in the late 1960s by McCulloch Corporation, the same people who brought you Lake Havasu City AZ. There are a good number of streets in this area with Spanish names including the modifiers that would be suffixes in English (i.e., Calle, Via, Paseo, etc.) that precede the street name. For some inexplicable reason, most streets with these names also have English suffixes, so as an example there is a Calle de Caballos Drive.
Alameda Street in L.A. and Alameda Avenue in Burbank are redundant. "Alameda" means "parkway" in Spanish.
NY 32 on the south side of Kingston is called "Boulevard." Nothing else.
Here in Appleton, there is a 'Parkway Boulevard' (it does not have a median anywhere along its length) and a 'Rail Rd'.
Also, between Appleton and Neenah, WI is a major road called 'East Shady Ln' - its address numbers go up the farther west one goes.
Mike
Quote from: JustDrive on March 24, 2012, 01:51:24 PM
Alameda Street in L.A. and Alameda Avenue in Burbank are redundant. "Alameda" means "parkway" in Spanish.
Ah, I didn't know that. That makes Alameda Street (or is it Avenue?) in Norman, OK redundant too.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 24, 2012, 10:11:57 PM
Quote from: JustDrive on March 24, 2012, 01:51:24 PM
Alameda Street in L.A. and Alameda Avenue in Burbank are redundant. "Alameda" means "parkway" in Spanish.
Ah, I didn't know that. That makes Alameda Street (or is it Avenue?) in Norman, OK redundant too.
As well as Alameda Ave in Denver.
Denver has a lot of "X Avenue Parkway"-named E/W streets, especially those with wide medians. Also a "6th Avenue Freeway" on the west side of town (US 6).
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 24, 2012, 10:11:57 PM
Quote from: JustDrive on March 24, 2012, 01:51:24 PM
Alameda Street in L.A. and Alameda Avenue in Burbank are redundant. "Alameda" means "parkway" in Spanish.
Ah, I didn't know that. That makes Alameda Street (or is it Avenue?) in Norman, OK redundant too.
Therefore, Alameda County, CA is literally 'Parkway County'.
Quote from: sp_redelectric on January 11, 2012, 01:09:09 AM
Portland, Oregon is notorious for having redundant and duplicate streets - North Portland Road and Northeast Portland Highway are two very different streets. Grant Street and Grant Avenue are not the same.
Clarification: In NE, just to the south of Grant High School, you have NE US Grant Place (does not follow the Court/Place alignment rule); in SE, you have SE Grant St and (one block south) SE Grant Ct. Courts (east-west) are the half-blocks on addresses (2250 South in this case); Places (such as SE 32nd Place) are the half-blocks going north-south. Both used to have different names (Kenilworth Ave in 32nd Pl's case).
NE Portland Hwy (Byp US 30) is also NE Lombard St (7500 North) between MLK (OR 99E) and Killingsworth St.
N Portland Rd is OR 120 between N Columbia Blvd and N Marine Dr.
N/NE Portland Blvd is now N/NE Rosa Parks Way (6500 North).
(SE) Portland Ave in Gladstone, mostly on Gladstone's address grid.
SE Harold St (5500 South).
SE Harold Ave in Oak Grove. I should note: The street grid starts running at a diagonal south of Oak Grove Blvd, but the address grid itself stays rigid down to the Clackamas River (the SE/S division line).
N Willamette Blvd (5400 North).
Willamette Dr (OR 43 south of Lake Oswego). Interestingly enough, you see traces of the Portland Metro address grid on OR 43 through West Linn.
SW Boones Ferry Rd -> SW Lower Boones Ferry Rd -> SW Boones Ferry Rd
SW Upper Boones Ferry Rd. Uh.... Thanks a bunch, Durham.
SE Oak St (300 South)
SW Oak St (200 South -- yes, that's correct. SW Ankeny is 50 South in downtown, not 100 South)
SW Oak St (10500 South) -- Tigard, Metzger
SE Harrison St (2000 South) gets confused with SE Harrison St (10800 South). One's in Portland; the other's in Milwaukie. They're on the same overall grid. And, just for fun, there's also Harrison St in Oregon City, but that's on its own grid and doesn't have the importance of the other two.
Speaking of Lombard...
SW Lombard Ave (appox. 12000 West) in Beaverton.
N Minnesota Ave (North 1200 West), the original street that I-5 largely replaced but still exists in sections... and (N) Minnesota Freeway, I-5 itself.
SW Kelly Ave (the diagonal between Front/Naito and Arthur St and the Ross Island Bridge), SW Kelly Ave (East 0200 West -- two blocks east of SW Water, the 0 on the West side where the river is too far east) on the south side of the Ross Island Bridge, SE Kelly St (3200 South), SE/NE Kelly Ave (400 East) in Gresham.
There's a lot more...