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Title: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 11, 2012, 10:27:52 AM
I took a ride out from New Jersey this weekend for the Browns-Eagles game in Cleveland.  I kinda knew in the past that US 322 began in NJ in Atlantic City, and ends in Cleveland.  Unfortunately, neither end has a Begin or End 322 nameplate, so I couldn't get a picture of that.

But...what is interesting is that both ends of this 494 mile long US highway have a casino!  In Atlantic City, within a block or so of the eastern end is the Atlantic Club Casino (formerly the Hilton Casino, and before that, the Golden Nugget, Bally's Grand and The Grand).  In Cleveland, the Horseshoe Casino recently opened just a block or so from the western end of US 322! 

So...that gets me thinking: What other long-distance, multi-state highway have a similiar feature at both ends of the highway...besides an ocean or country border, that is.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: Duke87 on September 11, 2012, 09:43:14 PM
I-80 has a major suspension bridge at both ends (GW and Oakland Bay).
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: Don'tKnowYet on September 11, 2012, 10:04:43 PM
this could have been an interesting discussion in the Northeast Room but yet again, Steve moved it for no reason. For all the meaningless tangents Steve starts in other threads that are allowed to linger, this one confused me.

In any event, I-80 ends just short of the GWB and is facilitated by the bridge in NYC.

To answer the original question, if Maryland has its way a casino will be at one end of MD 295 in downtown Baltimore and will put another at the other end of MD 295 inNational Harbor.  Its multi-state in my head because MD 295 changes jurisdictions multiple times between the State of Maryland, the National Park Service, the Distirct and back to the State of Maryland.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: kphoger on September 11, 2012, 10:10:20 PM
Quote from: Don'tKnowYet on September 11, 2012, 10:04:43 PM
Steve moved it for no reason. For all the meaningless tangents Steve starts in other threads that are allowed to linger, this one confused me.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 11, 2012, 10:27:52 AM
What other long-distance, multi-state highway have a similiar feature at both ends of the highway...besides an ocean or country border, that is.

There's your answer.  The OP introduced an open question which pertains to the nation as a whole.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: Takumi on September 11, 2012, 10:30:18 PM
Quote from: Don'tKnowYet on September 11, 2012, 10:04:43 PM
To answer the original question, if Maryland has its way a casino will be at one end of MD 295 in downtown Baltimore and will put another at the other end of MD 295 inNational Harbor.  Its multi-state in my head because MD 295 changes jurisdictions multiple times between the State of Maryland, the National Park Service, the Distirct and back to the State of Maryland.
If you consider just the state route part, there are stadiums near both ends. Nationals Park and RFK in DC and Oriole Park at Camden Yards and M&T Bank Stadium in Baltimore. The DC stadiums aren't right on it, though.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: roadman65 on September 11, 2012, 11:08:31 PM
What about US 222 having a state route designation continuing from it at both ends.  MD 222 south of US 1 and PA 222 north of I-78 and PA 309.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: Alps on September 11, 2012, 11:23:22 PM
Quote from: Don'tKnowYet on September 11, 2012, 10:04:43 PM
this could have been an interesting discussion in the Northeast Room but yet again, Steve moved it for no reason. For all the meaningless tangents Steve starts in other threads that are allowed to linger, this one confused me.
So apparently Randy Hersh didn't die?
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 12, 2012, 09:19:11 PM
"yet again?"

who the Hell is this Don'tKnowYet sucker with 22 posts commenting on the entire history of the AARoads forum?

hooray for sock puppets!

in any case, the original pre-1964 transcontinental routing of US-6 starts on one end by heading east, and on the other end by heading west.

this would not be remarkable, except it starts eastbound in Provincetown, and starts westbound in Long Beach!
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: Alps on September 13, 2012, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 12, 2012, 09:19:11 PM
"yet again?"

who the Hell is this Don'tKnowYet sucker with 22 posts commenting on the entire history of the AARoads forum?

hooray for sock puppets!

in any case, the original pre-1964 transcontinental routing of US-6 starts on one end by heading east, and on the other end by heading west.

this would not be remarkable, except it starts eastbound in Provincetown, and starts westbound in Long Beach!
Sort of like US 62 starting eastbound in Niagara Falls, though it would have to have extended to the border multiplexed with 65 to end westbound in El Paso.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: roadman65 on September 27, 2012, 11:07:02 PM
What about US 92 not having both ends terminate at other US routes?  Its west end is in Downtown St. Petersburg  at FL State routes and its eastbound extends beyond US 1 to end at FL A1A. 

Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: bugo on September 27, 2012, 11:26:22 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 27, 2012, 11:07:02 PM
What about US 92 not having both ends terminate at other US routes?  Its west end is in Downtown St. Petersburg  at FL State routes and its eastbound extends beyond US 1 to end at FL A1A. 

US 69 ends at Minnesota state route 13 and Texas state route 87.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: roadman65 on September 29, 2012, 04:26:56 PM
How about US 181 having its two terminuses at I-37?  I think that is probably the only case of a US route beginning and ending at the same exact highway since US 113 was truncated to Milford, DE.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: hbelkins on September 29, 2012, 09:20:06 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 29, 2012, 04:26:56 PM
How about US 181 having its two terminuses at I-37?  I think that is probably the only case of a US route beginning and ending at the same exact highway since US 113 was truncated to Milford, DE.

Nope. US 460 ends at US 60 in both Frankfort, Ky. and Norfolk, Va.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: PurdueBill on September 29, 2012, 09:43:15 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 29, 2012, 04:26:56 PM
How about US 181 having its two terminuses at I-37?  I think that is probably the only case of a US route beginning and ending at the same exact highway since US 113 was truncated to Milford, DE.

Does US 264 still end at US 64 at both ends (albeit 64 along the Beltline with 440)?
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: Takumi on September 29, 2012, 09:45:46 PM
^ Yes. (I was about to post that myself.) Its east end is now at US 64 in Manns Harbor instead of the useless overlap from there to Whalebone Junction.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: xonhulu on September 29, 2012, 09:49:12 PM
You guys are fast, I was also about to post US 264.  Isn't it still concurrent with US 64 on its western endpoint?
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: Roadsguy on September 30, 2012, 08:46:23 AM
PA 152 ends at PA 309 at both ends. One near the Philly city line, the other in Sellersville.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: roadman65 on September 30, 2012, 10:10:08 AM
Quote from: xonhulu on September 29, 2012, 09:49:12 PM
You guys are fast, I was also about to post US 264.  Isn't it still concurrent with US 64 on its western endpoint?
I think it still may be.  Nonetheless, I stand corrected as I forgot about that one meeting its parent at both ends.  At one time both ends had the same scenario being concurrent with its parent.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: SteveG1988 on October 02, 2012, 09:46:25 PM
US 30 ends near, but not quite at the ocean on both ends.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 02, 2012, 10:01:12 PM
do any routes end at the ocean?  say, in the form of a boat launch?  I remember US-74 and US-76 come pretty close on their east ends.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: Takumi on October 02, 2012, 10:09:56 PM
US 60's east end is at Rudee Inlet near the oceanfront in Virginia Beach, but it's going north-south there (on Atlantic, despite what signs say). It's been nearly 10 years since I've been down to Rudee Inlet itself, so I don't remember if there's a dock or anything.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: Sanctimoniously on October 02, 2012, 10:14:54 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 02, 2012, 10:01:12 PM
do any routes end at the ocean?  say, in the form of a boat launch?  I remember US-74 and US-76 come pretty close on their east ends.


US 76 comes closer of the two. Its end is the parking lot for a public beach access.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: NE2 on October 02, 2012, 10:40:57 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 02, 2012, 10:01:12 PM
do any routes end at the ocean?  say, in the form of a boat launch?  I remember US-74 and US-76 come pretty close on their east ends.

US 9, twice :bigass:

Most seem to be at a major intersection near the ocean, with the road continuing at least a block. US 421 sort of qualifies - it ends at a public boat launch on the west edge of a narrow barrier island (not at the nearby ferry terminal). You probably won't find many boat launches on the ocean side, at least where barrier islands exist (which is probably most of the coast).
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: Duke87 on October 02, 2012, 10:46:52 PM
ME 24 looks pretty good for this category. (https://maps.google.com/?ll=43.718156,-70.001793&spn=0.002024,0.003905&t=h&z=18)
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: Ian on October 02, 2012, 10:57:13 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on October 02, 2012, 10:46:52 PM
ME 24 looks pretty good for this category. (https://maps.google.com/?ll=43.718156,-70.001793&spn=0.002024,0.003905&t=h&z=18)

I was also thinking the same thing. ME 123 (http://goo.gl/maps/bjgcU) also comes close, but not as close as 24.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 02, 2012, 10:59:57 PM
now that I think about it: Alaska 1 goes all the way down Homer Spit.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: Takumi on October 02, 2012, 11:02:55 PM
NC 12, anyone? (http://m.google.com/u/m/dzIqCx)
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: Kacie Jane on October 03, 2012, 07:46:09 AM
It looks like we have a winner, IF Google maps is correct.

I say IF (a) because we have 20-page thread about Google not being correct, but mainly (b) I had thought there was one in Ocean Shores, WA, and Google marks SR 115 as continuing to the ocean (http://goo.gl/maps/Xqxxt).  But sadly, GSV shows an end sign at Point Brown Ave, which matches WSDOT records.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: PurdueBill on October 03, 2012, 09:48:27 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 02, 2012, 10:01:12 PM
do any routes end at the ocean?  say, in the form of a boat launch?  I remember US-74 and US-76 come pretty close on their east ends.

OK, more for Fictional Highways, but Kurumi's I-338 proposal (http://www.kurumi.com/roads/3di/ix38.html#338ca) (westbound lanes only) would take that to the extreme!
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: Alps on October 03, 2012, 10:21:01 PM
I'm heading to US 360 soon, and the eastern end of that seems very close to the ocean water.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=va+beach+va&hl=en&ll=37.838348,-76.279417&spn=0.002114,0.004495&sll=37.6,-95.665&sspn=34.512672,73.652344&hnear=Virginia+Beach,+Virginia&t=k&z=18
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: Takumi on October 03, 2012, 10:24:14 PM
^ That's US 60. Here's 360, more or less. (http://m.google.com/u/m/dXIcUn)
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: Kacie Jane on October 03, 2012, 10:31:38 PM
No?

P.S. to Steve:  Looks like US 360 inexplicably ends at Reed Avenue, it's VA Secondary 644 that continues to the water.

P.S. to Takumi since we're editing back and forth:  That's the same road Steve linked to.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: Takumi on October 03, 2012, 10:46:40 PM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on October 03, 2012, 10:31:38 PM
P.S. to Steve:  Looks like US 360 inexplicably ends at Reed Avenue, it's VA Secondary 644 that continues to the water.
360 used to go all the way to the water, but it was truncated to Reed Ave at some point.

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P.S. to Takumi since we're editing back and forth:  That's the same road Steve linked to.
Strange, my view shows a link to US 60 in Virginia Beach.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: Kacie Jane on October 03, 2012, 10:52:52 PM
Quote from: Takumi on October 03, 2012, 10:46:40 PM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on October 03, 2012, 10:31:38 PM
P.S. to Steve:  Looks like US 360 inexplicably ends at Reed Avenue, it's VA Secondary 644 that continues to the water.
360 used to go all the way to the water, but it was truncated to Reed Ave at some point.
Dale Sanderson's site says 1954.

Quote from: Takumi on October 03, 2012, 10:46:40 PM
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P.S. to Takumi since we're editing back and forth:  That's the same road Steve linked to.
Strange, my view shows a link to US 60 in Virginia Beach.
Apologies for my snippiness if it's a computer glitch.  Looks like he definitely searched for Va Beach, but when I click the link, it takes me to a zoomed in satellite view of the end of now-644.
Title: Re: Interesting little fact about US 322 Beginning/Ends
Post by: Alps on October 04, 2012, 07:08:30 PM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on October 03, 2012, 10:52:52 PM
Quote from: Takumi on October 03, 2012, 10:46:40 PM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on October 03, 2012, 10:31:38 PM
P.S. to Steve:  Looks like US 360 inexplicably ends at Reed Avenue, it's VA Secondary 644 that continues to the water.
360 used to go all the way to the water, but it was truncated to Reed Ave at some point.
Dale Sanderson's site says 1954.
For the love of 5 blocks I may go to the original terminus anyway. To be decided when I get there.