MOD NOTE: This thread was originally part of the "Interesting new California style of freeway junction exit number signing" thread on the Pacific Southwest board. --roadfro
Quote from: myosh_tino on March 29, 2012, 01:43:42 AM
If California were to follow the 2009 MUTCD to the letter, then the I-80/CA-12 sign I drew earlier might look something like this...
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That's right. I-80 eastbound is going to be 7 lanes wide... 5 through lanes, one option lane and one exit only lane. :wow:
I think Adding Ridgefield Park,NJ below the Fairfield,CA spot on I-80 East going sacramento shows that I-80 serves NYC-SF area long distance traffic. :thumbsup:
Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL
it should be signed "other Desert Cities" starting in New York.
According to the MUTCD (Sec. 2E.44.02) only "control city" names should be used as destinations on Interstate highways. So your suggestion is technically not approved. However I think some exceptions like you describe could reasonably be used.
Going east out of NYC for years the signs said "Eastern Long Island" but now New York DOT has abandoned that as part of "sign requirements" programs. So now destinations like "Hauppauge" and "Islip" are shown. I thought the generic "Eastern L.I." worked fine. Oh well..........
Quote from: SignBridge on October 03, 2012, 04:38:56 PM
Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL
If that's what you want, then perhaps Boston and Seattle should sign each other as control cities on I-90!
Sure! Works for me!.............. :)
Going west from NYC, it should just be signed "The West".
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Hey, it works in the UK :bigass:
"Route 128" works as a control blob covering the corridor around Boston from Braintree to Gloucester.
So how'd this thread get necroed anyway?
^ Mr. Navy Text did it:
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on October 02, 2012, 11:26:32 PM
Quote from: myosh_tino on March 29, 2012, 01:43:42 AM
If California were to follow the 2009 MUTCD to the letter, then the I-80/CA-12 sign I drew earlier might look something like this...
(I-80 BGS)
That's right. I-80 eastbound is going to be 7 lanes wide... 5 through lanes, one option lane and one exit only lane. :wow:
I think Adding Ridgefield Park,NJ below the Fairfield,CA spot on I-80 East going sacramento shows that I-80 serves NYC-SF area long distance traffic. :thumbsup:
Quote from: SignBridge on October 03, 2012, 04:38:56 PM
Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL
That should be right, but here in New Jersey I-80 West is signed as Delaware Water Gap and Stroudsberg,PA but if I were to design the I-80 West control Cities in New Jersey I would Signed it as I-80 West Delaware Water Gap San Francisco,CA or Even Reno,NV to show NJ motorists that I-80 West goes all the way to California
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on October 05, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on October 03, 2012, 04:38:56 PM
Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL
That should be right, but here in New Jersey I-80 West is signed as Delaware Water Gap and Stroudsberg,PA but if I were to design the I-80 West control Cities in New Jersey I would Signed it as I-80 West Delaware Water Gap San Francisco,CA or Even Reno,NV to show NJ motorists that I-80 West goes all the way to California
Only if US-40 gets signed for Denver and/or Salt Lake City.
Quote from: kphoger on October 05, 2012, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on October 05, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on October 03, 2012, 04:38:56 PM
Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL
That should be right, but here in New Jersey I-80 West is signed as Delaware Water Gap and Stroudsberg,PA but if I were to design the I-80 West control Cities in New Jersey I would Signed it as I-80 West Delaware Water Gap San Francisco,CA or Even Reno,NV to show NJ motorists that I-80 West goes all the way to California
Only if US-40 gets signed for Denver and/or Salt Lake City.
At least here in Maryland, we do inform I-70 motorists of the distance (from just west of the I-695 "stack" interchange in Baltimore County) to Denver, Colorado (~1700 miles) and Cove Fort, Utah (~2200 miles).
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on October 05, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on October 03, 2012, 04:38:56 PM
Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL
That should be right, but here in New Jersey I-80 West is signed as Delaware Water Gap and Stroudsberg,PA but if I were to design the I-80 West control Cities in New Jersey I would Signed it as I-80 West Delaware Water Gap San Francisco,CA or Even Reno,NV to show NJ motorists that I-80 West goes all the way to California
That would be such a useful change. Why they haven't done it yet is a mystery.
Quote from: SignBridge on October 03, 2012, 04:38:56 PM
Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL
What, no love for Teaneck, NJ? Last I checked, it's still the technical east end of I-80.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 05, 2012, 05:28:45 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 05, 2012, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on October 05, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on October 03, 2012, 04:38:56 PM
Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL
That should be right, but here in New Jersey I-80 West is signed as Delaware Water Gap and Stroudsberg,PA but if I were to design the I-80 West control Cities in New Jersey I would Signed it as I-80 West Delaware Water Gap San Francisco,CA or Even Reno,NV to show NJ motorists that I-80 West goes all the way to California
Only if US-40 gets signed for Denver and/or Salt Lake City.
At least here in Maryland, we do inform I-70 motorists of the distance (from just west of the I-695 "stack" interchange in Baltimore County) to Denver, Colorado (~1700 miles) and Cove Fort, Utah (~2200 miles).
It would be cool to see that kind of mileage sign near the endpoints of other interstates.
Quote from: swbrotha100 on October 05, 2012, 07:50:51 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 05, 2012, 05:28:45 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 05, 2012, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on October 05, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on October 03, 2012, 04:38:56 PM
Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL
That should be right, but here in New Jersey I-80 West is signed as Delaware Water Gap and Stroudsberg,PA but if I were to design the I-80 West control Cities in New Jersey I would Signed it as I-80 West Delaware Water Gap San Francisco,CA or Even Reno,NV to show NJ motorists that I-80 West goes all the way to California
Only if US-40 gets signed for Denver and/or Salt Lake City.
At least here in Maryland, we do inform I-70 motorists of the distance (from just west of the I-695 "stack" interchange in Baltimore County) to Denver, Colorado (~1700 miles) and Cove Fort, Utah (~2200 miles).
It would be cool to see that kind of mileage sign near the endpoints of other interstates.
You also forgot that US-40 East from its terminus in Utah as New Castle,DE and Baltimore,MD and US-40 East does go through these on the way to Atlantic City,NJ US-40's eastern terminus :-D
Quote from: swbrotha100 on October 05, 2012, 07:50:51 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 05, 2012, 05:28:45 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 05, 2012, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on October 05, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on October 03, 2012, 04:38:56 PM
Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL
That should be right, but here in New Jersey I-80 West is signed as Delaware Water Gap and Stroudsberg,PA but if I were to design the I-80 West control Cities in New Jersey I would Signed it as I-80 West Delaware Water Gap San Francisco,CA or Even Reno,NV to show NJ motorists that I-80 West goes all the way to California
Only if US-40 gets signed for Denver and/or Salt Lake City.
At least here in Maryland, we do inform I-70 motorists of the distance (from just west of the I-695 "stack" interchange in Baltimore County) to Denver, Colorado (~1700 miles) and Cove Fort, Utah (~2200 miles).
It would be cool to see that kind of mileage sign near the endpoints of other interstates.
There's a distance to Sacramento, Calif. sign on westbound U.S. 50 as the highway crosses the Isle of Wight Bay.
But Maryland does not post a sign on southbound U.S. 29 near I-70 showing the distance to Pensacola, Fla.
Quote from: swbrotha100 on October 05, 2012, 07:49:22 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on October 03, 2012, 04:38:56 PM
Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL
What, no love for Teaneck, NJ? Last I checked, it's still the technical east end of I-80.
It's the NJ Tunpike authority signs and the ticket on the NJ Turpike (I-95) that says Ridgefield Park is the Official teminus of I-80, but if NJDOT has jurisdiction on the final 18 miles of the NJ Tunpike then they will say I-80 East will end at Teaneck,NJ
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on October 07, 2012, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: swbrotha100 on October 05, 2012, 07:49:22 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on October 03, 2012, 04:38:56 PM
Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL
What, no love for Teaneck, NJ? Last I checked, it's still the technical east end of I-80.
It's the NJ Tunpike authority signs and the ticket on the NJ Turpike (I-95) that says Ridgefield Park is the Official teminus of I-80, but if NJDOT has jurisdiction on the final 18 miles of the NJ Tunpike then they will say I-80 East will end at Teaneck,NJ
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WHAT??
Quote from: Steve on October 08, 2012, 06:49:15 PM
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on October 07, 2012, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: swbrotha100 on October 05, 2012, 07:49:22 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on October 03, 2012, 04:38:56 PM
Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL
What, no love for Teaneck, NJ? Last I checked, it's still the technical east end of I-80.
It's the NJ Tunpike authority signs and the ticket on the NJ Turpike (I-95) that says Ridgefield Park is the Official teminus of I-80, but if NJDOT has jurisdiction on the final 18 miles of the NJ Tunpike then they will say I-80 East will end at Teaneck,NJ
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WHAT??
He's either just being confusingly annoying, or he just can't seem to spell 'Turnpike' right... :meh:
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on October 07, 2012, 12:01:16 AM
but if NJDOT has jurisdiction on the final 18 miles of the NJ Tunpike then they will say I-80 East will end at Teaneck,NJ
That will depend on the law. :evilgrin:
Quote from: national highway 1 on October 08, 2012, 07:39:17 PM
Quote from: Steve on October 08, 2012, 06:49:15 PM
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on October 07, 2012, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: swbrotha100 on October 05, 2012, 07:49:22 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on October 03, 2012, 04:38:56 PM
Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL
What, no love for Teaneck, NJ? Last I checked, it's still the technical east end of I-80.
It's the NJ Tunpike authority signs and the ticket on the NJ Turpike (I-95) that says Ridgefield Park is the Official teminus of I-80, but if NJDOT has jurisdiction on the final 18 miles of the NJ Tunpike then they will say I-80 East will end at Teaneck,NJ
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WHAT??
He's either just being confusingly annoying, or he just can't seem to spell 'Turnpike' right... :meh:
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on October 07, 2012, 12:01:16 AM
but if NJDOT has jurisdiction on the final 18 miles of the NJ Tunpike then they will say I-80 East will end at Teaneck,NJ
That will depend on the law. :evilgrin:
No - check out that last quote. 18 miles? It's more than just spelling that's scraping my measles.
What is Interstatefan78 talking about? NJDOT doesn't have jurisdiction over any of the NJ Turnpike. Not even the last few miles of I-95 from Route-46 to the G.W. Bridge.
Quote from: SignBridge on October 09, 2012, 03:40:36 PM
What is Interstatefan78 talking about? NJDOT doesn't have jurisdiction over any of the NJ Turnpike. Not even the last few miles of I-95 from Route-46 to the G.W. Bridge.
They have jurisdiction over: I-95 Mercer (not Turnpike), I-295 Del Mem Bridge (not Turnpike), I-80 (not Turnpike).
Quote from: Steve on October 09, 2012, 08:57:43 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on October 09, 2012, 03:40:36 PM
What is Interstatefan78 talking about? NJDOT doesn't have jurisdiction over any of the NJ Turnpike. Not even the last few miles of I-95 from Route-46 to the G.W. Bridge.
They have jurisdiction over: I-95 Mercer (not Turnpike), I-295 Del Mem Bridge (not Turnpike), I-80 (not Turnpike).
Isn't the NJTP owned and run by the NJ Turnpike Authority?
Quote from: national highway 1 on October 09, 2012, 11:15:59 PM
Quote from: Steve on October 09, 2012, 08:57:43 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on October 09, 2012, 03:40:36 PM
What is Interstatefan78 talking about? NJDOT doesn't have jurisdiction over any of the NJ Turnpike. Not even the last few miles of I-95 from Route-46 to the G.W. Bridge.
They have jurisdiction over: I-95 Mercer (not Turnpike), I-295 Del Mem Bridge (not Turnpike), I-80 (not Turnpike).
Isn't the NJTP owned and run by the NJ Turnpike Authority?
It's as intuitive as asking if the PATP is run by the PA Turnpike Commission. (:
NJDOT has jurisdiction over the DMB?
Quote from: NE2 on October 09, 2012, 11:32:18 PM
NJDOT has jurisdiction over the DMB?
The part I'm referring to is the brief section of I-295 between the Turnpike and US 130 overpass. I believe it's state maintained SB (there is no gap NB).
ERRRM... never mind. Looks like Turnpike for some reason has taken over that part of 295.
Since it was built as part of the Turnpike before I-295 came along (as US 130 there), it makes sense. The DMB and NJTP arbitrarily chose a changeover point (the US 130 overpass).
Quote from: NE2 on October 10, 2012, 12:18:50 AM
Since it was built as part of the Turnpike before I-295 came along (as US 130 there), it makes sense. The DMB and NJTP arbitrarily chose a changeover point (the US 130 overpass).
Since what was built as part of the Turnpike? I-295? Not sure if that's what you meant, but if so.....
I recall being on the (then 4 lane) NJ Turnpike back in the late 60s and very early 70s when I-295 was being built. It never was part of the turnpike; however, the presence of NJTPA land surely influenced the routing of I-295. Cheaper to build in an area where there has long been a highway corridor than cutting through residential areas.
But you can clearly see that I-295 diverges away from the Turnpike near interchanges, in order to allow space for the ramps. Then it snuggles back in with the Turnpike until approaching the next one.
As a kid, I recall how
boring the Turnpike was in that area and the new freeway seemed more interesting. More exits/signs, etc. Meanwhile the Turnpike was narrow and ran through the woods. As interchanges were (and are) widely spaced, there wasn't much "action". So, I always wished that we were on 295 instead, which is why I recall this so clearly.
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on October 11, 2012, 09:47:39 AM
Quote from: NE2 on October 10, 2012, 12:18:50 AM
Since it was built as part of the Turnpike before I-295 came along (as US 130 there), it makes sense. The DMB and NJTP arbitrarily chose a changeover point (the US 130 overpass).
Since what was built as part of the Turnpike? I-295? Not sure if that's what you meant, but if so.....
Obviously that's what he meant. The portion of what is now 295 between the Del Mem Br and the beginning of the Turnpike. No one seriously thinks that I-295 north of there was built by the NJTA.
Quote from: kphoger on October 03, 2012, 05:46:29 PM
Going west from NYC, it should just be signed "The West".
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Quote from: 1995hoo on October 12, 2012, 03:03:16 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 03, 2012, 05:46:29 PM
Going west from NYC, it should just be signed "The West".
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That's an awesome New Yorker cover. I don't think that's too far from the truth as far as the mindset of some people.
My parents had a dry-mounted poster of that cover when I was growing up. The part I always liked the most is the depiction of Jersey as a strip of dirt. When I looked at the poster I always envisioned Jersey as a dirt road.
The location of DC on the Mexican border reminds me of a girl we met in Moose Factory, Ontario, who asked if we live near the Equator (bearing in mind there are no roads connecting Moose Factory and the adjacent town of Moosonee to the North American highway network so the odds were she had never been anywhere else in her life).
Isn't anyone going to point out that the Miller Elevated Highway still stands in that New Yorker cover?
Quote from: empirestate on October 19, 2012, 11:27:14 AM
Isn't anyone going to point out that the Miller Elevated Highway still stands in that New Yorker cover?
Did the Miller last through 1976, or was it torn down before?
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on October 20, 2012, 02:50:59 PM
Quote from: empirestate on October 19, 2012, 11:27:14 AM
Isn't anyone going to point out that the Miller Elevated Highway still stands in that New Yorker cover?
Did the Miller last through 1976, or was it torn down before?
Demolition began in 1977 and lasted 12 years. It had been closed since 1973.
http://www.nycroads.com/roads/west-side/
Quote from: empirestate on October 19, 2012, 11:27:14 AM
Isn't anyone going to point out that the Miller Elevated Highway still stands in that New Yorker cover?
Isn't anyone going to mention that Nebraska is not west of Kansas; nor Utah, west of Las Vegas?
Quote from: kphoger on October 21, 2012, 08:16:46 AM
Quote from: empirestate on October 19, 2012, 11:27:14 AM
Isn't anyone going to point out that the Miller Elevated Highway still stands in that New Yorker cover?
Isn't anyone going to mention that Nebraska is not west of Kansas; nor Utah, west of Las Vegas?
It's the New Yorker's (read: Manhattanite's) view of the world...are you saying they are aware of such petty details, when they don't even know what's on the far side of Queens??
Quote from: empirestate on October 21, 2012, 12:20:51 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 21, 2012, 08:16:46 AM
Quote from: empirestate on October 19, 2012, 11:27:14 AM
Isn't anyone going to point out that the Miller Elevated Highway still stands in that New Yorker cover?
Isn't anyone going to mention that Nebraska is not west of Kansas; nor Utah, west of Las Vegas?
It's the New Yorker's (read: Manhattanite's) view of the world...are you saying they are aware of such petty details, when they don't even know what's on the far side of Queens??
Confucius say, "He who laugh last no get joke."
Not sure if this is the appropriate place for this, so apologies if it's too far off topic...but while we're on the subject of long-distance interstates and their control cities, I was just passing through Memphis last week and was reminded of the horrible example of "local black hole syndrome" coming from the south on I-55 just before the interchange with I-240.
What I mean by this is, it seems like DOT's can sometimes get so preoccupied with long-distance travel that they forget there's a major urban area right there that might actually be someone's destination. So, lo and behold, coming up I-55 from the south approaching Memphis, on the main array of signs, there is no positive guidance to anywhere actually in Memphis (I will admit to being unsure of whether there is something on a supplemental further out, but it is still quite disconcerting not to have anything on the primary overhead array).
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Nashville also suffers deplorably from this problem, and there I know there are no supplementals further out. Coming in I-40 from the Airport, you can actually see the Downtown skyline, and yet you're just inundated with directions to Memphis/Clarksville/Louisville.
Are there other places that have this issue? I've been through a lot of cities but I can't remember it standing out so egregiously as in Nashville and Memphis...is this just a TDOT thing?
^^
I'm surprised Little Rock isn't signed with 55 north. Yes, 55 doesn't serve Little Rock but it's the shortest distance to 40 west. 240 west would be an appropriate one to substitute Memphis in place of it's current city. Gotta remember that 69 will be a pull thru sign eventually and what city/cities would it show on its sign?
One is already well into Memphis at that interchange.
Quote from: InterstateNG on October 23, 2012, 04:51:08 PM
One is already well into Memphis at that interchange.
And that fact does absolutely nothing to help one actually find their way around Memphis.
Quote from: wphiii on October 23, 2012, 05:05:51 PM
Quote from: InterstateNG on October 23, 2012, 04:51:08 PM
One is already well into Memphis at that interchange.
And that fact does absolutely nothing to help one actually find their way around Memphis.
Memphis shouldn't be listed as a destination itself, but DOWNTOWN would certainly be helpful in this situation.
Quote from: Steve on October 23, 2012, 06:51:14 PM
Quote from: wphiii on October 23, 2012, 05:05:51 PM
Quote from: InterstateNG on October 23, 2012, 04:51:08 PM
One is already well into Memphis at that interchange.
And that fact does absolutely nothing to help one actually find their way around Memphis.
Memphis shouldn't be listed as a destination itself, but DOWNTOWN would certainly be helpful in this situation.
Well yes, I thought that was implied. My fault for not being clearer.
It would be especially nice in Nashville to have positive guidance to both Downtown and the West End (where Vanderbilt, Belmont, and all the hospitals are).
Not sure if there's another area in Memphis with that level of traffic generation, but yeah, I remember coming upon that for the first time and being so caught up in all the far-off destinations that I almost forgot where I was supposed to actually go to get to Downtown Memphis. Fortunately, I'd looked at a map of my route in advance as I usually do before any trip, so I was able to go the right way, but I would wager that the vast majority of people don't bother doing that.