Musings on cross-country routes & their control cities

[Interstatefan78]

MOD NOTE: This thread was originally part of the "Interesting new California style of freeway junction exit number signing" thread on the Pacific Southwest board. --roadfro

If California were to follow the 2009 MUTCD to the letter, then the I-80/CA-12 sign I drew earlier might look something like this...


That's right.  I-80 eastbound is going to be 7 lanes wide... 5 through lanes, one option lane and one exit only lane.

I think Adding Ridgefield Park,NJ below the Fairfield,CA spot on I-80 East going sacramento shows that I-80 serves NYC-SF area long distance traffic.

[SignBridge]

Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL

[agentsteel53]

it should be signed "other Desert Cities" starting in New York.

[SignBridge]

According to the MUTCD (Sec. 2E.44.02) only "control city" names should be used as destinations on Interstate highways. So your suggestion is technically not approved. However I think some exceptions like you describe could reasonably be used.

Going east out of NYC for years the signs said "Eastern Long Island" but now New York DOT has abandoned that as part of "sign requirements" programs. So now destinations like "Hauppauge" and "Islip" are shown. I thought the generic "Eastern L.I." worked fine. Oh well..........

[Henry]

Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL

If that's what you want, then perhaps Boston and Seattle should sign each other as control cities on I-90!

[SignBridge]

Sure! Works for me!..............

[kphoger]

Going west from NYC, it should just be signed "The West".

ducks for cover

[6a]

Hey, it works in the UK

[NE2]

"Route 128" works as a control blob covering the corridor around Boston from Braintree to Gloucester.

So how'd this thread get necroed anyway?

[Takumi]

^ Mr. Navy Text did it:

If California were to follow the 2009 MUTCD to the letter, then the I-80/CA-12 sign I drew earlier might look something like this...
(I-80 BGS)
That's right.  I-80 eastbound is going to be 7 lanes wide... 5 through lanes, one option lane and one exit only lane.

I think Adding Ridgefield Park,NJ below the Fairfield,CA spot on I-80 East going sacramento shows that I-80 serves NYC-SF area long distance traffic.

[Interstatefan78]

Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL

That should be right, but here in New Jersey I-80 West is signed as Delaware Water Gap and Stroudsberg,PA but if I were to design the I-80 West control Cities in New Jersey I would Signed it as I-80 West Delaware Water Gap San Francisco,CA or Even Reno,NV to show NJ motorists that I-80 West goes all the way to California

[kphoger]

Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL

That should be right, but here in New Jersey I-80 West is signed as Delaware Water Gap and Stroudsberg,PA but if I were to design the I-80 West control Cities in New Jersey I would Signed it as I-80 West Delaware Water Gap San Francisco,CA or Even Reno,NV to show NJ motorists that I-80 West goes all the way to California

Only if US-40 gets signed for Denver and/or Salt Lake City.

[cpzilliacus]

Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL

That should be right, but here in New Jersey I-80 West is signed as Delaware Water Gap and Stroudsberg,PA but if I were to design the I-80 West control Cities in New Jersey I would Signed it as I-80 West Delaware Water Gap San Francisco,CA or Even Reno,NV to show NJ motorists that I-80 West goes all the way to California

Only if US-40 gets signed for Denver and/or Salt Lake City.

At least here in Maryland, we do inform I-70 motorists of the distance (from just west of the I-695 "stack" interchange in Baltimore County) to Denver, Colorado (~1700 miles) and Cove Fort, Utah (~2200 miles).

[NE2]

Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL

That should be right, but here in New Jersey I-80 West is signed as Delaware Water Gap and Stroudsberg,PA but if I were to design the I-80 West control Cities in New Jersey I would Signed it as I-80 West Delaware Water Gap San Francisco,CA or Even Reno,NV to show NJ motorists that I-80 West goes all the way to California

That would be such a useful change. Why they haven't done it yet is a mystery.

[swbrotha100]

Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL

What, no love for Teaneck, NJ? Last I checked, it's still the technical east end of I-80.

[swbrotha100]

Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL

That should be right, but here in New Jersey I-80 West is signed as Delaware Water Gap and Stroudsberg,PA but if I were to design the I-80 West control Cities in New Jersey I would Signed it as I-80 West Delaware Water Gap San Francisco,CA or Even Reno,NV to show NJ motorists that I-80 West goes all the way to California

Only if US-40 gets signed for Denver and/or Salt Lake City.

At least here in Maryland, we do inform I-70 motorists of the distance (from just west of the I-695 "stack" interchange in Baltimore County) to Denver, Colorado (~1700 miles) and Cove Fort, Utah (~2200 miles).

It would be cool to see that kind of mileage sign near the endpoints of other interstates.

[Interstatefan78]

Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL

That should be right, but here in New Jersey I-80 West is signed as Delaware Water Gap and Stroudsberg,PA but if I were to design the I-80 West control Cities in New Jersey I would Signed it as I-80 West Delaware Water Gap San Francisco,CA or Even Reno,NV to show NJ motorists that I-80 West goes all the way to California

Only if US-40 gets signed for Denver and/or Salt Lake City.

At least here in Maryland, we do inform I-70 motorists of the distance (from just west of the I-695 "stack" interchange in Baltimore County) to Denver, Colorado (~1700 miles) and Cove Fort, Utah (~2200 miles).

It would be cool to see that kind of mileage sign near the endpoints of other interstates.

You also forgot that US-40 East from its terminus in Utah as New Castle,DE and Baltimore,MD and US-40 East does go through these on the way to Atlantic City,NJ US-40's eastern terminus   

[cpzilliacus]

Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL

That should be right, but here in New Jersey I-80 West is signed as Delaware Water Gap and Stroudsberg,PA but if I were to design the I-80 West control Cities in New Jersey I would Signed it as I-80 West Delaware Water Gap San Francisco,CA or Even Reno,NV to show NJ motorists that I-80 West goes all the way to California

Only if US-40 gets signed for Denver and/or Salt Lake City.

At least here in Maryland, we do inform I-70 motorists of the distance (from just west of the I-695 "stack" interchange in Baltimore County) to Denver, Colorado (~1700 miles) and Cove Fort, Utah (~2200 miles).

It would be cool to see that kind of mileage sign near the endpoints of other interstates.

There's a distance to Sacramento, Calif. sign on westbound U.S. 50 as the highway crosses the Isle of Wight Bay.

But Maryland does not post a sign on southbound U.S. 29 near I-70 showing the distance to Pensacola, Fla.

[Interstatefan78]

Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL

What, no love for Teaneck, NJ? Last I checked, it's still the technical east end of I-80.

It's the NJ Tunpike authority signs  and the ticket on the NJ Turpike (I-95) that says Ridgefield Park is the Official teminus of I-80, but if NJDOT has jurisdiction on the final 18 miles of the NJ Tunpike then they will say I-80 East will end at Teaneck,NJ

[Alps]

Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL

What, no love for Teaneck, NJ? Last I checked, it's still the technical east end of I-80.

It's the NJ Tunpike authority signs  and the ticket on the NJ Turpike (I-95) that says Ridgefield Park is the Official teminus of I-80, but if NJDOT has jurisdiction on the final 18 miles of the NJ Tunpike then they will say I-80 East will end at Teaneck,NJ

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WHAT??

[national highway 1]

Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL

What, no love for Teaneck, NJ? Last I checked, it's still the technical east end of I-80.

It's the NJ Tunpike authority signs  and the ticket on the NJ Turpike (I-95) that says Ridgefield Park is the Official teminus of I-80, but if NJDOT has jurisdiction on the final 18 miles of the NJ Tunpike then they will say I-80 East will end at Teaneck,NJ

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WHAT??

He's either just being confusingly annoying, or he just can't seem to spell 'Turnpike' right... 

but if NJDOT has jurisdiction on the final 18 miles of the NJ Tunpike then they will say I-80 East will end at Teaneck,NJ

That will depend on the law.

[Alps]

Ha, ha, ha...........Okay then, let's just make the eastbound control city "New York City" starting east from San Francisco and show "San Francisco" westbound starting at Ridgefield Park. After all that's where the route ends at either end? Keep it simple, right? LOL

What, no love for Teaneck, NJ? Last I checked, it's still the technical east end of I-80.

It's the NJ Tunpike authority signs  and the ticket on the NJ Turpike (I-95) that says Ridgefield Park is the Official teminus of I-80, but if NJDOT has jurisdiction on the final 18 miles of the NJ Tunpike then they will say I-80 East will end at Teaneck,NJ

...
...
WHAT??

He's either just being confusingly annoying, or he just can't seem to spell 'Turnpike' right... 

but if NJDOT has jurisdiction on the final 18 miles of the NJ Tunpike then they will say I-80 East will end at Teaneck,NJ

That will depend on the law.

No - check out that last quote. 18 miles? It's more than just spelling that's scraping my measles.

[SignBridge]

What is Interstatefan78 talking about? NJDOT doesn't have jurisdiction over any of the NJ Turnpike. Not even the last few miles of I-95 from Route-46 to the G.W. Bridge.

[Alps]

What is Interstatefan78 talking about? NJDOT doesn't have jurisdiction over any of the NJ Turnpike. Not even the last few miles of I-95 from Route-46 to the G.W. Bridge.

They have jurisdiction over: I-95 Mercer (not Turnpike), I-295 Del Mem Bridge (not Turnpike), I-80 (not Turnpike).

[national highway 1]

What is Interstatefan78 talking about? NJDOT doesn't have jurisdiction over any of the NJ Turnpike. Not even the last few miles of I-95 from Route-46 to the G.W. Bridge.

They have jurisdiction over: I-95 Mercer (not Turnpike), I-295 Del Mem Bridge (not Turnpike), I-80 (not Turnpike).

Isn't the NJTP owned and run by the NJ Turnpike Authority?