I recently found out (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=8274.0) that at least one of these was a new-wave auto trail from the 1950s. I'm going to try to figure out if there were any others like this, or if all the others were just DOTs playing nice or historic reasons. [I'm not including New England, which was probably all either old New England routes or being nice]
*AZ-NM-CO-WY-MT 789 (former): Canada-Mexico Highway
*AZ-NM 78: history unclear
*AZ-NM 80: old US 80
*AZ-NM 264: NM 68 changed to match
*AR-IA-MO 5: AR numbered and IA 60 changed to match
*AR-MO 25 (former, now US 412): AR numbered to match
*AR-MO 37: AR 47 changed to match
*AR-MO 43: AR 99 changed to match
*AR-MO 43 (former, now AR 7-MO 125, may have never physically connected): AR numbered to match
*AR-MO 59: US 71 moved and AR 59 extended; MO numbered to match
*AR-MO 101: MO SR M changed to match
*AR-MO 125: MO SR D changed to match
*AR-OK 4: OK 21 changed to match when the rest (north of Idabel) became US 259
*CA-NV 28: CA numbered to match
*CA-NV 88: NV 37 changed to match
*CA-NV 266: CA 266 extended over CA 168 to match (NV's numbering may have been partly coincidental)
*CO-KS-MO (former) 96: history of CO-KS unclear (both existed in 1926); MO 16 changed to match realignment over KS 26
*CO-NE 23: CO 176 changed to match
*CO-NE-SD 71: NE 29-SD 87 changed to match extension over CO 21
*CO-NM 17: history unclear, but CO came first
*DE-MD 16: history unclear; MD came first but it also fits into DE's grid, and MD may have extended it to the state line later
*DE-MD 54: joint creation from DE 32 and MD 455-467
*DE-MD 71 (former, now US 301): MD numbered to match
*DE-MD 273/286/300/404: DE numbered to match
*DE-MD 299 (former): DE 4 changed to match
*DE-MD-PA 896: DE-MD numbered to match
*DE-NJ 48: DE numbered to match
*DE-PA 41/52/82/100 (former)/261/491: DE numbered to match
*FL-GA-SC 121: Woodpecker Trail; originally GA 121 from north of Folkston to Baxley; rerouted and extended, replacing FL 23-331-335, GA 64, GA 129 (part), SC 19 (part)
**note that FL-GA 23 used to match; GA was first but FL fit its new (1945) grid
*GA-NC-SC 28: GA 52-105, NC 282-286 changed to match (as well as SC 18-20-24 in between; only the south piece in SC existed)
*GA-NC 60 (GA has 60 Spur): GA 86 changed to match
*GA-NC 69 (former, now GA 17-515): NC 287 changed to match
*GA-SC 13 (former, now US 123): SC 17 changed to match
*GA-SC 43 (former, now US 378): GA 70 changed to match
*GA-SC 72: SC 7 changed to match
*GA-SC 119: SC numbered to match
*GA-SC 181: SC 81 changed to match
*ID-MT-ND-MN 200: joint creation? from US 10 Alternate (which itself replaced an earlier ID-MT 3; not clear which was first), MT 20, ND 23, ND 7, MN 31, MN 34
*ID-MT 87: history unclear; was MT 50 but then ID-MT 287?
*ID-NV 51 (former, now NV 225): NV 11-11A-43 changed to match
*ID-OR 52: OR 90 changed to match extension of ID 52?
*ID-WA 41: WA numbered to match
*ID-WA 128: ID numbered to match
*IL-IA-NE-WY 92: IL 2 extended over IL 84 to meet existing IA 2; later partly replaced by extension of IL 92, with IA 2 and NE 18 changed to match; later extended over NE 86, with WY 92 replacing what?
*IL-IA-NE 64: IL 64 extended over IL 77, with IA 117 changed to match; later extended over IA 88-7; unrelated NE 64 later extended east over NE 93-130 to meet
*IL-IA 136: US 30 Alternate changed to match IA
*IL-MO 110: Chicago-Kansas City Expressway
*IL-WI 35: IL 79 changed to match?
*IL-WI 78: WI 81 changed to match
*IL-WI 83: IL 21 changed to match
*IN-MI-OH 120 (former): MI 120 numbered and OH 263-568 changed to match IN
*IN-OH 121: IN numbered to match (but also fits into that grid)
*IN-OH 122 (former): IN numbered to match
*IA-MN 4-15-26-60-76-86-254 (former): IA 17-44-182-33-13-32-322 changed to match
*IA-MN 91 (former): IA numbered to match
*IA-MN 139: MN numbered to match
*IA-MO 15 (former): IA 23 changed to match
*IA-MO 27: Avenue of the Saints; IA 394 and MO SR B jointly changed
*IA-MO 81: IA 114 changed to match
*IA-MO 148: MO 27 changed to match
*IA-MO 202: IA 142 changed to match
*IA-NE 2: IA 3 changed to match
*IA-NE 370: NE 31-37-50 changed to match
*KS-MO-OK 66: old US 66
*KS-MO 52: KS 48-56 changed to match
*KS-MO 92: KS numbered to match?
*KS-MO 126: history unclear (both created ca. 1945; former KS 104)
*KS-MO 150 (former): KS numbered to match
*KS-MO 171: originally KS-MO 57 (KS numbered to match?); MO changed first to 171 (due to I-57)
*KS-NE-OK-TX (former) 99: joint creation from KS 11-OK 48; TX 10 and NE 65 later changed to match
*KS-NE 14: history unclear (both existed in 1926)
*KS-NE 15: history unclear (both existed in 1926)
*KS-NE 21 (former, now US 283): history unclear (both existed in 1926)
*KS-NE 23 (former, now US 83): history unclear (both existed in 1927)
*KS-NE 25: KS 23-NE 3C jointly changed (1926-27)
*KS-NE 27: NE 71 changed to match
*KS-OK-TX 23: OK 15-FM 1265 changed to match
*KS-OK 8: KS 11 changed to match
*KS-OK 16 (former, now US 169): history unclear (both existed in 1926)
*KY-MO-VA 80: unrelated KY and VA 80 extended to meet?; extended over KY 98 and MO SR H-U-V later changed to match
*KY-VA 4 (former, now US 460)-66 (former, now US 421)-160: 1940 renumbering; VA 84-65-67 changed to match
*LA-TX 12: TX 235 changed to match
*LA-TX 82: TX numbered to match
*MD-PA 97: old US 140 (preexisting MD 97 rerouted)
*MD-PA 194: MD 71 changed to match
*MD-PA 272: PA 272 seems to have come first; extended to MD, partly over PA 42 (Chrome-state line), and MD numbered to match?
*MD-PA 669: MD 417 changed to match
*MD-VA 17 (former): MD 33 changed to match
*MD-WV 956: WV 9?? changed to match
*MI-OH 49: MI numbered to match
*MN-ND 210: ND numbered to match
*MN-WI 16: old US 16
*MN-WI 70: MN numbered to match
*MN-WI 243: created jointly as a short bridge connection
*MT-ND 5: MT numbered to match?
*MT-WY 59: MT 22-319 changed to match
*NV-OR 140: Winnemucca to the Sea Highway
*NV-UT 30 (former, now NV 233): UT 70 changed to match
*NJ-NY-PA (former) 17: NJ 17-N legislated in 1923; NY 17 numbered to match in 1924, but NJ 17-N renumbered 2 in 1927; NJ 2 changed back to 17 in 1942 for "greater convenience for interstate travel, particularly for the caravans of military vehicles"; PA numbered to match
*NJ-NY 94: NJ 31 changed to match
*NJ-NY 284: NJ 8 legislated in 1916; NY 8 numbered to match in 1924; NJ 8 renumbered 8N in 1927; NY 8 renumbered 84 in 1930; NJ 8N changed to match in 1942 for "greater convenience for interstate travel, particularly for the caravans of military vehicles"; both later changed to 284 (due to I-84)
*NJ-NY 208 (unbuilt): NJ S4B changed to match
*NJ-NY 303 (unbuilt): NJ S4D changed to match
*NJ-NY 439 (former): NJ 28 changed to match
*NJ-NY 440: NJ 1-S4 changed to match
*NJ-PA 73: NJ S41 changed to match
*NJ-PA 179: old US 202
*NJ-PA 413: NJ S25 changed to match
*NM-TX 18: TX 82 changed to match
*NM-TX 83 (former): TX 328 changed to match; sillily changed to NM 132 in 1988
*NM-TX 114: NM 92-TX 290 jointly renumbered 116; later both changed to 114
*NM-TX 125: NM 125-TX FM 769 jointly renumbered 125
*NM-TX 128: NM 256-TX FM 781 jointly renumbered 128
*NM-TX 176: TX FM 87 changed to match (or was it a joint renumbering?); sillily changed to NM 234 in 1988 but later fixed
*NY-PA 5: PA 99 changed to match?
*NY-PA 14: PA numbered to match
*NY CR-PA 69: NY CR presumably numbered to match
*NY-PA 328: PA 84 changed to match
*NY-PA 426: PA 177-189 changed to match, along with newly-numbered north segment
*NY-PA 430: PA numbered to match
*NY-PA 474: PA numbered to match
*NC-SC-VA 49: 1937 renumbering; SC 163 changed to match; 1940 renumbering; NC 49 extended over NC 62-144 to meet newly-truncated unrelated VA 49
*NC-SC 9-18-38-41-75-79-83-145 (formerly 85)-161-177 (formerly 77)-200-274-904 (former): 1937 renumbering; NC 192-SC 111-NC 771-SC 94-SC 12-SC 38-SC 68-NC 802/SC 95-NC 215-SC 98-SC 93-SC 59-NC 761 changed to match
*NC-SC 51: old US 21
*NC-SC 107: SC numbered to match
*NC-SC 109: SC numbered to match
*NC-SC 150: SC 103 changed to match
*NC-SC 160: jointly created as renumbering of SC 211 and new route in NC
*NC-SC 179: jointly created
*NC-SC 198: NC numbered to match
*NC-SC 207: NC numbered to match
*NC-SC 216: SC numbered to match
*NC-SC 381: NC 78 extended and changed to match SC
*NC-SC 410: old US 701
*NC-SC 522: NC numbered to match
*NC-SC 742: SC 850 changed to match
*NC-SC 905: NC numbered to match
*NC-VA-WV 16: 1940 renumbering; NC 16 extended, replacing NC 681; VA 81-92-WV 12 changed to match
*NC-VA 8-32-35-37 (former, now US 13)-46-86-87-89-93-103-104 (former): 1940 renumbering; NC 109-VA 10-NC 45-VA 53-VA 34-NC 14-VA 106-VA 96-NC 260-NC 80-NC 800 changed to match
*NC-VA 62: VA numbered to match
*NC-VA 96: 1940 renumbering; jointly created from NC 562 and part of VA 49
*NC-VA 119: VA 694 changed to match
*NC-VA 168: 1940 renumbering; NC 170 extended over NC 30-34 and VA 27 renumbered 170 to match; later jointly renumbered 168
*NC-VA 186: NC numbered to match VA 195; later jointly renumbered 186 (due to I-195)
*NC-VA 615: NC numbered to match
*NC-VA 903: VA 650 changed to match?
*ND-SD 127: old US 81
*ND-SD 1804, ND-SD 1806: jointly numbered (Lewis and Clark route)
*OH-WV 527: old US 52
*OH-WV 618: WV numbered to match
*OK-TX 6: unrelated OK 6 and TX 6 extended to meet, replacing TX 283
*OK-TX 15: TX 117 changed to match
*OK-TX 33: TX 170 changed to match
*OK-TX 37: OK 57 changed to match
*OK-TX 78: OK 299 changed to match
*OK-TX 79: OK numbered to match
*OK-TX 91: history unclear; was OK-TX 75A
*OK-TX 136: OK numbered to match
*OK-TX 152: OK 41 changed to match
*PA-WV 218: WV numbered to match?
*PA-WV CR 857: WV numbered to match?
*TN-VA 70-91: 1940 renumbering; VA 64-78 changed to match
*UT-WY 150: WY 89 changed to match
*VA-WV 9-39-59 (former)-83-84-259-311: 1940 renumbering; VA 238-VA 501-VA 261-VA 59-VA 271-VA 275/WV 23/WV 58-WV 81 changed to match
*VA-WV 55: WV numbered to match?
*VA-WV 102: history unclear; formerly VA-WV 85
*VA-WV 127: joint renumbering of VA 698-WV 45
*VA-WV 598: old US 52
*VA-WV 635: WV numbered to match?
Because they bip.
I'd be curious about how PA 272 lines up with MD 272 for two completely different reasons - the x72 routes in PA and the 27x routes in MD.
PA and DE 100 have been broken up since 2003 when PA 100 was rerouted onto the previously unnumbered expressway connector to end at US 202. DE 100 just disappears at the state line now.
SC and NC changed routes to match numbers across the board in 1937-38.
It looks like GA may have done the same with its neighbors in the 1941-42 timeframe
VA did the same with all its neighbors in 1940.
SC 17 was renumbered in 1928 because of US 17 being in SC. All other US route/state number duplications were eliminated then as well...
Mapmikey
It's not a multi-state route, but CA-139 and OR-39 connect to one another. Maybe a psuedo-MSR?
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2012, 05:41:39 AM
I recently found out (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=8274.0) that at least one of these was a new-wave auto trail from the 1950s. I'm going to try to figure out if there were any others like this, or if all the others were just DOTs playing nice or historic reasons. [I'm not including New England, which was probably all either old New England routes or being nice]
*AR-MO 5: AR numbered to match
post in progress
Should read:
*AR-MO-IA 5: AR and IA numbered to match
*IL-IA-NE 64: IL 64 extended over IL 77, with IA 117 changed to match; later extended over IA 88-7; unrelated NE 64 later extended east over NE 93-130 to meet
I don't believe 64 ever made it to the Missouri River on either side of the Iowa-Nebraska border.
Chronology of all Virginia crossings is here: http://www.vahighways.com/stateline.htm
I'm curious as to why VA/NC 170 was changed to an extended 168 in 1958. Was it to have a continuous route number from the then-new Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel to NC?
I'm surprised no mention yet of (TX)-OK-KS-NE 99, of which the Texas part became US 377 (while half of the Oklahoma section is a concurrency of 377 and 99).
Was there at one time a ferry linking the end of KY 80 across the Mississippi River to MO 80?
Quote from: DandyDan on December 22, 2012, 06:11:40 PM
I don't believe 64 ever made it to the Missouri River on either side of the Iowa-Nebraska border.
Old Iowa DOT maps show that if it didn't, it got pretty damn close.
Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota Route 200
Quote from: hbelkins on December 22, 2012, 07:44:05 PM
Was there at one time a ferry linking the end of KY 80 across the Mississippi River to MO 80?
Yes: http://bridgehunter.com/mo/mississippi/belmont-ferry/
Quote from: drummer_evans_aki on December 22, 2012, 09:03:17 PM
Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota Route 200
Already listed...
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2012, 05:41:39 AM
*AR-MO 37: AR 47 probably changed to match when the rest became US 62
Not quite. 47 changed to 37 in the early-mid 1980's
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*CO-KS-MO 96: history of CO-KS unclear (both existed in 1926); MO 16 changed to match realignment over KS 26
No longer continuous. MO 96 now ends at MO 171 near Carl Junction.
Quote from: US71 on December 22, 2012, 09:40:44 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2012, 05:41:39 AM
*AR-MO 37: AR 47 probably changed to match when the rest became US 62
Not quite. 47 changed to 37 in the early-mid 1980's
You're right - 47 was dropped from some of the early state maps.
OH & WV 618 come close
Quote from: Quillz on December 22, 2012, 05:46:33 PM
It's not a multi-state route, but CA-139 and OR-39 connect to one another. Maybe a psuedo-MSR?
Reminds me of NJ-NY 84. When I-84 came to NY, it renumbered NY 84 to 284 - because the two were so close together, as opposed to it being a general rule. NJ obediently renumbered its own 84 to 284. There aren't many in NJ - 17 with NY and 48 with DE are the other two that come to mind, and 48 I believe is a case where DE followed NJ. There's also 439 and 440, very clearly numbered by NJ to match NY. And hell, that's all of them.
Crap, I forgot DE-NJ 48. It definitely was numbered because of the ferry: http://www.deldot.gov/archaeology/historic_pres/historic_highway_maps/pdf/cd_008.pdf
PS: check out the complicated history of 284.
There was KS-MO 57 until MO 57 became 171.
Later K-57 east of US 69 was renumbered as K-171
Old US 66 is now MO 66, becomes K-66
Quote from: US71 on December 23, 2012, 08:10:53 AM
There was KS-MO 57 until MO 57 became 171.
Later K-57 east of US 69 was renumbered as K-171
Old US 66 is now MO 66, becomes K-66
Both already listed.
Quote from: Takumi on December 22, 2012, 06:44:04 PM
Chronology of all Virginia crossings is here: http://www.vahighways.com/stateline.htm
I'm curious as to why VA/NC 170 was changed to an extended 168 in 1958. Was it to have a continuous route number from the then-new Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel to NC?
This is the exact citation from the Nov 1957 CTB:
ROUTE 168 IS DESIGNATED via the Bridge-Tunnel crossing Hampton Roads and through Norfolk and South Norfolk replacing present Route 170, and whereas due to this routing of Route 168 through the cities it is also practicable to continue Route 168 over present Route 170 in Norfolk County to the North Carolina Line, and whereas present Route 170 continuing from Virginia into North Carolina has been approved by the North CAROLINA HIGHWAY Commission on November 4, 1957 for its designation as Route 168; NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that present Route 170 in Norfolk County be renumbered to carry Route number 168, from the south corporate limits of south Norfolk south to the North Carolina State Line; also the portion of present Route 168 leading from the east corpor ate limits of Norfolk east to an intersection with Route 60. in Princess Anne County be renumbered to carry Route 170. Motion carried
This suggests that your theory (my guess is you mean headed for the Outer Banks area and not just NC which was already accomplished by US 17) has merit though it is not explicitly stated why NC and VA agreed to do this. One bit of evidence against the theory is that NC 168 headed southwest to Elizabeth City and not towards the beach until 1979.
Mapmikey
DE 71and MD 71 (Now US 301) used to be one route before the Bay Bridge was built. I do not know the history of the two, but indeed DE 71 did not head south to end at US 13 in Townsend, but followed what is now US 301 SW if Middletown even long after MD 71 was decommissioned to be re-touted US 301. DE 896 was originally to Townsend via present day DE 71 then, and the road to Boyds Corner that is now the home stretch for DE 896 was previously unnumbered.
WA/ID 128- Idaho commissioned and numbered to match 1990
OK-TX 91 is the old route of U.S. 75 and farther north, the U.S. 69-75 concurrency, before the present freeway was finished. It crosses the Red River over Denison Dam, which was built during World War II.
Quote from: US71 on December 22, 2012, 09:40:44 PM
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*CO-KS-MO 96: history of CO-KS unclear (both existed in 1926); MO 16 changed to match realignment over KS 26
No longer continuous. MO 96 now ends at MO 171 near Carl Junction.
Besides which, KS-96 now ends at US-54/400 in Wichita.
Several come to mind:
NH/VT 9
CT/MA 8
MA/NH 28
CT/MA/NH 10
IL/WI 83
CO/KS 96
CO/NM 17
VA/NC 46
VA/NC 186
It does seem as if the sharing of state highway numbers between states is more prevalent in the smaller northeastern states and less so as you move west. But there are certainly exceptions to this which, I'd imagine, is associated with historical cooperation between state pairs.
Sharing numbers on a somewhat well-traveled route as it crosses the state line is smart in that it makes things easier for the traveler.
NC changed NC 195 to NC 186 because Virginia did the same to accomodate I-195's designation in Richmond.
For VA 46, this was changed from VA 34 as part of the mass state-line renumberings of Oct 1940. All of these can be viewed at http://www.virginiadot.org/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-10-1940-01.pdf (http://www.virginiadot.org/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-10-1940-01.pdf) from pages 8-17 in the pdf.
Mapmikey
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on December 26, 2012, 10:40:07 AM
Several come to mind:
NH/VT 9
CT/MA 8
MA/NH 28
CT/MA/NH 10
IL/WI 83
CO/KS 96
CO/NM 17
VA/NC 46
VA/NC 186
It does seem as if the sharing of state highway numbers between states is more prevalent in the smaller northeastern states and less so as you move west. But there are certainly exceptions to this which, I'd imagine, is associated with historical cooperation between state pairs.
Sharing numbers on a somewhat well-traveled route as it crosses the state line is smart in that it makes things easier for the traveler.
The New England Interstates make for the continuous routes across borders. You can add ME to the Route 9 and VT to route 8. There's also CT/MA/NH 32, and the king of them all: CT/MA/NH/VT 12. There's also VT/NH/ME 11. Added to those, here's a more complete list of
state routes that leave CT and maintan their # across the border:
CT/MA: 41, 183, 189, 168, 187, 75, 159, 220, 186, 83, 19, 169, 197, 198, 131, 193
CT/RI: 78, 216, 14, 165, 138 (as part of CT/RI/MA 138), 101
CT/NY: 343, 55, 35, 116, 123, 124, 137 (not including 120A, which is in relation to NY 120, as CT 120 is about 60 miles away)
QuoteCO-KS-MO (former) 96: history of CO-KS unclear (both existed in 1926); MO 16 changed to match realignment over KS 26
former auto trail: Denver-Joplin highway. somewhere I have a 1921-22-ish map scan which shows it.
Are there any examples of parallel routes separated by state lines that share the same or similar number, but do not actually meet? For example, State A might have Route 1 along the west side of the border, while directly across the border lies Route 1 in State B.
It's not a multi-state route per se, but I wonder if something like that has been done?
Quote from: Quillz on December 29, 2012, 01:18:38 AM
Are there any examples of parallel routes separated by state lines that share the same or similar number, but do not actually meet? For example, State A might have Route 1 along the west side of the border, while directly across the border lies Route 1 in State B.
It's not a multi-state route per se, but I wonder if something like that has been done?
NY 7 running east and west, and US 7 running north and south through Vermont.
Quote from: Quillz on December 29, 2012, 01:18:38 AM
Are there any examples of parallel routes separated by state lines that share the same or similar number, but do not actually meet? For example, State A might have Route 1 along the west side of the border, while directly across the border lies Route 1 in State B.
It's not a multi-state route per se, but I wonder if something like that has been done?
US 59 and AR/MO 59 parallel the Arkansas/Oklahoma state line from much of the way between Fort Smith, AR and Diamond, MO.
Quote from: Quillz on December 29, 2012, 01:18:38 AM
Are there any examples of parallel routes separated by state lines that share the same or similar number, but do not actually meet? For example, State A might have Route 1 along the west side of the border, while directly across the border lies Route 1 in State B.
It's not a multi-state route per se, but I wonder if something like that has been done?
MD 23 turns into PA 24, but MD 24 is really close by. https://maps.google.com/?ll=39.735442,-76.497459&spn=0.13148,0.291824&t=m&z=12
Also, Ontario 11 and MN 11.
Neat, I didn't realize there were so many examples of those "twinned" routes. I think it's an interesting idea, although it might cause some confusion for those not familiar with the areas.
It must be confusing for outsiders visiting Siloam Springs, AR/West Siloam Springs, OK, to be told to take "Highway 59 south." I've been told that locals call US 59 "Oklahoma 59" and AR 59 "Arkansas 59." Here's a video of US 412 between the two 59s to give an idea of how close they are together:
To add to the list of a couple of routes with the same number in different states that aren't continuous:
CT and RI 2: CT 2 ends at US 1 about 100 yds. from the RI border, RI 2 begins at US 1 a few miles away in Charlestown (a couple of maps I saw erroneously twinned US 1 and RI 2 through Westerly to connect to CT 2, which would create a continous, though circuitious new route from Hartford to Providence).
CT 20 and US 20: CT 20 runs a few miles south of the MA border, and US 20 about 10-15 miles north of the border.
NH 113 and ME 113: NH 113 disappears at the ME border along US 302. Meanwhile, ME 113 intersects US 302 a few miles into ME in Fryeburg.
DE 1 and US 1: DE 1 ends a few miles south of the PA border. US 1 skips Delaware and goes from Cecil County, MD into Chester County, PA.
Add NY 2-MA 2 to the list. I took this route from Albany back to Boston in late September (the unintended result of an experiment with using the "HOME" button with my then-new GPS). It was just before the start of leaf peeping season, so the traffic wasn't bad at all (only had to pass slower traffic on the two-lane sections three times).
As for why multi-state state routes exist, you can thank AASHTO for that one. It has been a long standing policy (dating back to the AASHO days) to a) discourage the creation of new US routes and b) encourage adjoining states to use common state numbers for routes that cross borders.
My nomination for a US to state route "conversion" (decomission the US route and replace it with a state one) would be US 3 - which would be changed to MA 3 and NH 3. This would also solve the long-standing issue of having both a US Route 3 and a State Route 3 in Massachusetts.
Quote from: roadman on December 29, 2012, 09:41:53 AM
the long-standing issue of having both a US Route 3 and a State Route 3 in Massachusetts.
A non-issue.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on December 29, 2012, 09:19:48 AM
To add to the list of a couple of routes with the same number in different states that aren't continuous:
CT and RI 2: CT 2 ends at US 1 about 100 yds. from the RI border, RI 2 begins at US 1 a few miles away in Charlestown (a couple of maps I saw erroneously twinned US 1 and RI 2 through Westerly to connect to CT 2, which would create a continous, though circuitious new route from Hartford to Providence).
You had some good examples there. Re: above, I'm not actually sure that RI 2 didn't connect to CT 2 historically, although it certainly doesn't any more. I think before US 1 was on its current alignment (i.e. when it followed what's now 1A), 2 was on it as well. Then again, all we go on for historical information is old maps, and those can be just as wrong as new maps.
I believe that CT 12/ MA 12/ NH 12/ VT 12 holds the record for most states that one non US route enters or is part of.
I cannot think of any other routes that go across more than 3 state lines.
It is most interesting as US 3 is only in two states, and yet you have a Route 12 that surpasses it twice. Plus you have the US 46, US 92, US 130, US 175, and US `192 that are only in one state that are even shorter than some single state route designations.
We have many instances where a state route designation would be prime canidate for US route and US routes that should be state routes. In the Northeast, I really do not see people (other than us) caring if a route is state or US and in MA 3 and US 3, many consider it to be the same Route 3 just like near Syracuse, NY I-481 and NY 481 is looked at as one continuous Route 481.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 29, 2012, 12:07:44 PM
I believe that CT 12/ MA 12/ NH 12/ VT 12 holds the record for most states that one non US route enters or is part of.
I cannot think of any other routes that go across more than 3 state lines.
yawn
[MSR 200]
Quote from: Steve on December 29, 2012, 06:27:31 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 29, 2012, 12:07:44 PM
I believe that CT 12/ MA 12/ NH 12/ VT 12 holds the record for most states that one non US route enters or is part of.
I cannot think of any other routes that go across more than 3 state lines.
yawn
[MSR 200]
Also 92 (both listed in my original post).
Interesting list. In AARoads tradition, people don't fully read the OP.
Oregon and Washington don't really do a good job lining anything up. I'm surprised there isn't anything on the old US-830 (currently WA-4/WA-14). I don't recall where 830 crossed over, or if it's one of the intrastate US highways that got trunked in the 60s.
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2012, 05:41:39 AM
*AZ-NM-CO-WY-MT 789 (former): Canada-Mexico Highway
*ID-MT-ND-MN 200: joint creation? from US 10 Alternate (which itself replaced an earlier ID-MT 3; not clear which was first), MT 20, ND 23, ND 7, MN 31, MN 34
789 starting from Montana down to Arizona was supposed to be US 789 when the idea was turned down by AASHTO. Wyoming had some US 789 signs, but then were removed.
Route 200 from my understanding is apparently a joint effort to connect small towns and medium-to-large populated cities within these five states. Minnessota may have come first with MN 200, then ND, MT, and finally ID. Same with US 10. I'm assuming Route 200 coexisted with US 10 Alternate starting northwest of Spokane, WA, running though Sandpoint, ID, St. Regis, Superior, Missoula, Butte, and Annaconda, MT. After US 10 was decomissioned in Montana in 1986, Route 200 took over US 10 Alternate. I-90 and 94 took over the entire US 10 corridor, same with I-15 taking over Old US 91. Secondary Route 474 and 263 are risidual remnances of Old US 10 near where I live.
Quote from: KEK Inc. on December 29, 2012, 08:35:18 PM
Interesting list. In AARoads tradition, people don't fully read the OP.
Oregon and Washington don't really do a good job lining anything up. I'm surprised there isn't anything on the old US-830 (currently WA-4/WA-14). I don't recall where 830 crossed over, or if it's one of the intrastate US highways that got trunked in the 60s.
IIRC, it's the latter. That is, it was only ever in Washington, and never actually connected to US 30. (I believe it
did connect to US
730 however.)
Quote from: Kacie Jane on December 29, 2012, 10:40:32 PM
I believe it did connect to US 730 however.
Nope - the east end was at US 97. Violation from the beginning.
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*CO-KS-MO 96: history of CO-KS unclear (both existed in 1926); MO 16 changed to match realignment over KS 26
No longer continuous. MO 96 now ends at MO 171 near Carl Junction.
Besides which, KS-96 now ends at US-54/400 in Wichita.
The changes pretty much happened like so:
K-96 decommissioned east of Wichita because U.S. 400 took over a large part of the route.
U.S. 160 moved from Cherryvale-Parsons alignment to Altamont-Oswego-Columbus alignment to replace that part of K-96.
U.S. 400 routed from Fredonia via Neodesha to Parsons (When first commissioned, it had been co-signed with K-47 from Fredonia through Altoona).
K-37 decommissioned because it became redundant (It connected Neodesha to U.S. 169 via U.S. 75; U.S. 400 does that now). You can follow most of old K-37 but because of the changes needed at the U.S. 169-400 interchange, you can no longer get to where K-37's east end was by following the old route (it dead ends).
K-96 from Crestline to MO state line decommissioned entirely (It's now known as "Old K-96" for the Cherokee County 911 system).
MO-96 from KS State line changed to Route YY.
I don't know if the Kansas and Missouri decommissionings of those parts of MSR-96 happened at the same time of it MO-96 temporarily ended at the Kansas state line for a short time.
Quote from: NE2 on December 29, 2012, 10:54:42 PM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on December 29, 2012, 10:40:32 PM
I believe it did connect to US 730 however.
Nope - the east end was at US 97. Violation from the beginning.
Did 30 ever cross Astoria at one point?
Quote from: KEK Inc. on December 29, 2012, 11:29:29 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 29, 2012, 10:54:42 PM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on December 29, 2012, 10:40:32 PM
I believe it did connect to US 730 however.
Nope - the east end was at US 97. Violation from the beginning.
Did 30 ever cross Astoria at one point?
That I know for certain is a no.
I noticed that a lot of New England roads do not change numbers as they cross state lines. Was there a concerted effort in the beginning to organize a New England road network?
Quote from: Road Hog on December 30, 2012, 01:37:31 AM
I noticed that a lot of New England roads do not change numbers as they cross state lines. Was there a concerted effort in the beginning to organize a New England road network?
I think there was. I read it somewhere on a roadgeek FAQ site. I am not sure of the site's name, but it was on there.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 30, 2012, 01:54:30 AM
Quote from: Road Hog on December 30, 2012, 01:37:31 AM
I noticed that a lot of New England roads do not change numbers as they cross state lines. Was there a concerted effort in the beginning to organize a New England road network?
I think there was. I read it somewhere on a roadgeek FAQ site. I am not sure of the site's name, but it was on there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_road_marking_system
It appears many state routes have retained the NE numbers, or at least a portion thereof.
One bit of apocryphal K-96 lore–supposedly the reason why it got the 96 number was because one Wichita businessman was responsible for posting most of the markers in Kansas during the auto trail era. When it became a numbered highway Kansas contacted him and asked him what number he would like it to become. He picked 96 because that was (part of?) his phone number.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 30, 2012, 04:17:56 AM
One bit of apocryphal K-96 lore—supposedly the reason why it got the 96 number was because one Wichita businessman was responsible for posting most of the markers in Kansas during the auto trail era. When it became a numbered highway Kansas contacted him and asked him what number he would like it to become. He picked 96 because that was (part of?) his phone number.
I believe it's been shown to be a true story. And since it was in the 20s or 30s, its likely 96 was the number. If the town was small enough, there were only two- or three-digit phone numbers and his shop was supposed to be in or near Augusta.
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on December 29, 2012, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2012, 05:41:39 AM
*AZ-NM-CO-WY-MT 789 (former): Canada-Mexico Highway
*ID-MT-ND-MN 200: joint creation? from US 10 Alternate (which itself replaced an earlier ID-MT 3; not clear which was first), MT 20, ND 23, ND 7, MN 31, MN 34
789 starting from Montana down to Arizona was supposed to be US 789 when the idea was turned down by AASHTO. Wyoming had some US 789 signs, but then were removed.
All those concurrences aside, it would've been interesting to see US-789 come to fruition. I wonder what style those signs were (2-digit but with small Series D numerals, otherwise), and I
bet that those signs are worth something--to the roadgeek community, if nothing else.
I guess you could say that modern US-191 is a successor to MSR-789--while the routes certainly don't have the same course, they're both border-to-border and traverse roughly the same region.
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on December 29, 2012, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2012, 05:41:39 AM
*ID-MT-ND-MN 200: joint creation? from US 10 Alternate (which itself replaced an earlier ID-MT 3; not clear which was first), MT 20, ND 23, ND 7, MN 31, MN 34[/b]
Route 200 from my understanding is apparently a joint effort to connect small towns and medium-to-large populated cities within these five states. Minnessota may have come first with MN 200, then ND, MT, and finally ID. Same with US 10. I'm assuming Route 200 coexisted with US 10 Alternate starting northwest of Spokane, WA, running though Sandpoint, ID, St. Regis, Superior, Missoula, Butte, and Annaconda, MT. After US 10 was decomissioned in Montana in 1986, Route 200 took over US 10 Alternate. I-90 and 94 took over the entire US 10 corridor, same with I-15 taking over Old US 91. Secondary Route 474 and 263 are risidual remnances of Old US 10 near where I live.
Looks like I'm not the only one believes in connecting communities via a common route number is beneficial.
Quote from: roadfro on December 30, 2012, 04:08:37 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 30, 2012, 01:54:30 AM
Quote from: Road Hog on December 30, 2012, 01:37:31 AM
I noticed that a lot of New England roads do not change numbers as they cross state lines. Was there a concerted effort in the beginning to organize a New England road network?
I think there was. I read it somewhere on a roadgeek FAQ site. I am not sure of the site's name, but it was on there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_road_marking_system
It appears many state routes have retained the NE numbers, or at least a portion thereof.
Interesting. Looks like several of the states kept the bordered square for their state shields, too.
Quote from: Road Hog on December 31, 2012, 09:20:16 AM
Interesting. Looks like several of the states kept the bordered square for their state shields, too.
Yep, still "black on yellow background with black borders". Wait, what?
Quote from: Road Hog on December 31, 2012, 09:20:16 AM
Quote from: roadfro on December 30, 2012, 04:08:37 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 30, 2012, 01:54:30 AM
Quote from: Road Hog on December 30, 2012, 01:37:31 AM
I noticed that a lot of New England roads do not change numbers as they cross state lines. Was there a concerted effort in the beginning to organize a New England road network?
I think there was. I read it somewhere on a roadgeek FAQ site. I am not sure of the site's name, but it was on there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_road_marking_system
It appears many state routes have retained the NE numbers, or at least a portion thereof.
Interesting. Looks like several of the states kept the bordered square for their state shields, too.
Connecticut used the state outline for awhile, but ended up deleting it in the 60s? 70s?.
Rhode Island has added the state initials, but otherwise square.
Mass. and Maine have always used the square.
New Hampshire used to use the square until they adopted the Old Man in the Mountain.
Vermont started off with the state name in a small square, then deleted it and made the square larger, then went to circles, and now the green shields.
Quote from: Steve on December 31, 2012, 06:13:09 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on December 31, 2012, 09:20:16 AM
Quote from: roadfro on December 30, 2012, 04:08:37 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 30, 2012, 01:54:30 AM
Quote from: Road Hog on December 30, 2012, 01:37:31 AM
I noticed that a lot of New England roads do not change numbers as they cross state lines. Was there a concerted effort in the beginning to organize a New England road network?
I think there was. I read it somewhere on a roadgeek FAQ site. I am not sure of the site's name, but it was on there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_road_marking_system
It appears many state routes have retained the NE numbers, or at least a portion thereof.
Interesting. Looks like several of the states kept the bordered square for their state shields, too.
Connecticut used the state outline for awhile, but ended up deleting it in the 60s? 70s?.
Rhode Island has added the state initials, but otherwise square.
Mass. and Maine have always used the square.
New Hampshire used to use the square until they adopted the Old Man in the Mountain.
Vermont started off with the state name in a small square, then deleted it and made the square larger, then went to circles, and now the green shields.
CT used the old CONN above the number much like the current RI state shields. The state outline shield seemed to be only popular in Fairfield County, but the difference between the current shields and the MA/ME shields (which are identical) is the thicker black border. CT and WV state route signs are identical. VT, NJ, and DE used to be identical before VT went green.
Quote from: Steve on December 29, 2012, 12:01:10 PM
I'm not actually sure that RI 2 didn't connect to CT 2 historically, although it certainly doesn't any more. I think before US 1 was on its current alignment (i.e. when it followed what's now 1A), 2 was on it as well. Then again, all we go on for historical information is old maps, and those can be just as wrong as new maps.
Would be interesting if it did, that'd have made Route 2 rather U-Shaped.
Although, if Wikipedia is to be believed, the Westerly segment of 1A is not historic 1.
Quote from: Steve on December 31, 2012, 06:13:09 PM
Connecticut used the state outline for awhile, but ended up deleting it in the 60s? 70s?.
The state outline was, as far as I am aware, only ever used on and in the vicinity of the Merritt Parkway. The recently R.I.P. outline 25 would have to have been installed when that section of freeway was completed, which dates it to 1982. The BGSs on the parkway itself which used them were from the late 70s-early 80s. Other shields in this style are presumably of similar vintage, though it's possible some may be older.
Elsewhere in the state, the old style is the square with "CONN" in it. Dunno when exactly this fell out of use but based on the 184 shield we can safely say it was still current in the 50s.
Quote from: Duke87 on January 01, 2013, 03:51:47 PM
Although, if Wikipedia is to be believed, the Westerly segment of 1A is not historic 1.
It's not (http://www.broermapsonline.org/members/NorthAmerica/UnitedStates/NewEngland/unitedstates1926ra_007.html) but the Charlestown segment (where 2 now ends) is.