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Multi-state routes and why they exist

Started by NE2, December 22, 2012, 05:41:39 AM

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NE2

I recently found out that at least one of these was a new-wave auto trail from the 1950s. I'm going to try to figure out if there were any others like this, or if all the others were just DOTs playing nice or historic reasons. [I'm not including New England, which was probably all either old New England routes or being nice]

*AZ-NM-CO-WY-MT 789 (former): Canada-Mexico Highway
*AZ-NM 78: history unclear
*AZ-NM 80: old US 80
*AZ-NM 264: NM 68 changed to match
*AR-IA-MO 5: AR numbered and IA 60 changed to match
*AR-MO 25 (former, now US 412): AR numbered to match
*AR-MO 37: AR 47 changed to match
*AR-MO 43: AR 99 changed to match
*AR-MO 43 (former, now AR 7-MO 125, may have never physically connected): AR numbered to match
*AR-MO 59: US 71 moved and AR 59 extended; MO numbered to match
*AR-MO 101: MO SR M changed to match
*AR-MO 125: MO SR D changed to match
*AR-OK 4: OK 21 changed to match when the rest (north of Idabel) became US 259
*CA-NV 28: CA numbered to match
*CA-NV 88: NV 37 changed to match
*CA-NV 266: CA 266 extended over CA 168 to match (NV's numbering may have been partly coincidental)
*CO-KS-MO (former) 96: history of CO-KS unclear (both existed in 1926); MO 16 changed to match realignment over KS 26
*CO-NE 23: CO 176 changed to match
*CO-NE-SD 71: NE 29-SD 87 changed to match extension over CO 21
*CO-NM 17: history unclear, but CO came first
*DE-MD 16: history unclear; MD came first but it also fits into DE's grid, and MD may have extended it to the state line later
*DE-MD 54: joint creation from DE 32 and MD 455-467
*DE-MD 71 (former, now US 301): MD numbered to match
*DE-MD 273/286/300/404: DE numbered to match
*DE-MD 299 (former): DE 4 changed to match
*DE-MD-PA 896: DE-MD numbered to match
*DE-NJ 48: DE numbered to match
*DE-PA 41/52/82/100 (former)/261/491: DE numbered to match
*FL-GA-SC 121: Woodpecker Trail; originally GA 121 from north of Folkston to Baxley; rerouted and extended, replacing FL 23-331-335, GA 64, GA 129 (part), SC 19 (part)
**note that FL-GA 23 used to match; GA was first but FL fit its new (1945) grid
*GA-NC-SC 28: GA 52-105, NC 282-286 changed to match (as well as SC 18-20-24 in between; only the south piece in SC existed)
*GA-NC 60 (GA has 60 Spur): GA 86 changed to match
*GA-NC 69 (former, now GA 17-515): NC 287 changed to match
*GA-SC 13 (former, now US 123): SC 17 changed to match
*GA-SC 43 (former, now US 378): GA 70 changed to match
*GA-SC 72: SC 7 changed to match
*GA-SC 119: SC numbered to match
*GA-SC 181: SC 81 changed to match
*ID-MT-ND-MN 200: joint creation? from US 10 Alternate (which itself replaced an earlier ID-MT 3; not clear which was first), MT 20, ND 23, ND 7, MN 31, MN 34
*ID-MT 87: history unclear; was MT 50 but then ID-MT 287?
*ID-NV 51 (former, now NV 225): NV 11-11A-43 changed to match
*ID-OR 52: OR 90 changed to match extension of ID 52?
*ID-WA 41: WA numbered to match
*ID-WA 128: ID numbered to match
*IL-IA-NE-WY 92: IL 2 extended over IL 84 to meet existing IA 2; later partly replaced by extension of IL 92, with IA 2 and NE 18 changed to match; later extended over NE 86, with WY 92 replacing what?
*IL-IA-NE 64: IL 64 extended over IL 77, with IA 117 changed to match; later extended over IA 88-7; unrelated NE 64 later extended east over NE 93-130 to meet
*IL-IA 136: US 30 Alternate changed to match IA
*IL-MO 110: Chicago-Kansas City Expressway
*IL-WI 35: IL 79 changed to match?
*IL-WI 78: WI 81 changed to match
*IL-WI 83: IL 21 changed to match
*IN-MI-OH 120 (former): MI 120 numbered and OH 263-568 changed to match IN
*IN-OH 121: IN numbered to match (but also fits into that grid)
*IN-OH 122 (former): IN numbered to match
*IA-MN 4-15-26-60-76-86-254 (former): IA 17-44-182-33-13-32-322 changed to match
*IA-MN 91 (former): IA numbered to match
*IA-MN 139: MN numbered to match
*IA-MO 15 (former): IA 23 changed to match
*IA-MO 27: Avenue of the Saints; IA 394 and MO SR B jointly changed
*IA-MO 81: IA 114 changed to match
*IA-MO 148: MO 27 changed to match
*IA-MO 202: IA 142 changed to match
*IA-NE 2: IA 3 changed to match
*IA-NE 370: NE 31-37-50 changed to match
*KS-MO-OK 66: old US 66
*KS-MO 52: KS 48-56 changed to match
*KS-MO 92: KS numbered to match?
*KS-MO 126: history unclear (both created ca. 1945; former KS 104)
*KS-MO 150 (former): KS numbered to match
*KS-MO 171: originally KS-MO 57 (KS numbered to match?); MO changed first to 171 (due to I-57)
*KS-NE-OK-TX (former) 99: joint creation from KS 11-OK 48; TX 10 and NE 65 later changed to match
*KS-NE 14: history unclear (both existed in 1926)
*KS-NE 15: history unclear (both existed in 1926)
*KS-NE 21 (former, now US 283): history unclear (both existed in 1926)
*KS-NE 23 (former, now US 83): history unclear (both existed in 1927)
*KS-NE 25: KS 23-NE 3C jointly changed (1926-27)
*KS-NE 27: NE 71 changed to match
*KS-OK-TX 23: OK 15-FM 1265 changed to match
*KS-OK 8: KS 11 changed to match
*KS-OK 16 (former, now US 169): history unclear (both existed in 1926)
*KY-MO-VA 80: unrelated KY and VA 80 extended to meet?; extended over KY 98 and MO SR H-U-V later changed to match
*KY-VA 4 (former, now US 460)-66 (former, now US 421)-160: 1940 renumbering; VA 84-65-67 changed to match
*LA-TX 12: TX 235 changed to match
*LA-TX 82: TX numbered to match
*MD-PA 97: old US 140 (preexisting MD 97 rerouted)
*MD-PA 194: MD 71 changed to match
*MD-PA 272: PA 272 seems to have come first; extended to MD, partly over PA 42 (Chrome-state line), and MD numbered to match?
*MD-PA 669: MD 417 changed to match
*MD-VA 17 (former): MD 33 changed to match
*MD-WV 956: WV 9?? changed to match
*MI-OH 49: MI numbered to match
*MN-ND 210: ND numbered to match
*MN-WI 16: old US 16
*MN-WI 70: MN numbered to match
*MN-WI 243: created jointly as a short bridge connection
*MT-ND 5: MT numbered to match?
*MT-WY 59: MT 22-319 changed to match
*NV-OR 140: Winnemucca to the Sea Highway
*NV-UT 30 (former, now NV 233): UT 70 changed to match
*NJ-NY-PA (former) 17: NJ 17-N legislated in 1923; NY 17 numbered to match in 1924, but NJ 17-N renumbered 2 in 1927; NJ 2 changed back to 17 in 1942 for "greater convenience for interstate travel, particularly for the caravans of military vehicles"; PA numbered to match
*NJ-NY 94: NJ 31 changed to match
*NJ-NY 284: NJ 8 legislated in 1916; NY 8 numbered to match in 1924; NJ 8 renumbered 8N in 1927; NY 8 renumbered 84 in 1930; NJ 8N changed to match in 1942 for "greater convenience for interstate travel, particularly for the caravans of military vehicles"; both later changed to 284 (due to I-84)
*NJ-NY 208 (unbuilt): NJ S4B changed to match
*NJ-NY 303 (unbuilt): NJ S4D changed to match
*NJ-NY 439 (former): NJ 28 changed to match
*NJ-NY 440: NJ 1-S4 changed to match
*NJ-PA 73: NJ S41 changed to match
*NJ-PA 179: old US 202
*NJ-PA 413: NJ S25 changed to match
*NM-TX 18: TX 82 changed to match
*NM-TX 83 (former): TX 328 changed to match; sillily changed to NM 132 in 1988
*NM-TX 114: NM 92-TX 290 jointly renumbered 116; later both changed to 114
*NM-TX 125: NM 125-TX FM 769 jointly renumbered 125
*NM-TX 128: NM 256-TX FM 781 jointly renumbered 128
*NM-TX 176: TX FM 87 changed to match (or was it a joint renumbering?); sillily changed to NM 234 in 1988 but later fixed
*NY-PA 5: PA 99 changed to match?
*NY-PA 14: PA numbered to match
*NY CR-PA 69: NY CR presumably numbered to match
*NY-PA 328: PA 84 changed to match
*NY-PA 426: PA 177-189 changed to match, along with newly-numbered north segment
*NY-PA 430: PA numbered to match
*NY-PA 474: PA numbered to match
*NC-SC-VA 49: 1937 renumbering; SC 163 changed to match; 1940 renumbering; NC 49 extended over NC 62-144 to meet newly-truncated unrelated VA 49
*NC-SC 9-18-38-41-75-79-83-145 (formerly 85)-161-177 (formerly 77)-200-274-904 (former): 1937 renumbering; NC 192-SC 111-NC 771-SC 94-SC 12-SC 38-SC 68-NC 802/SC 95-NC 215-SC 98-SC 93-SC 59-NC 761 changed to match
*NC-SC 51: old US 21
*NC-SC 107: SC numbered to match
*NC-SC 109: SC numbered to match
*NC-SC 150: SC 103 changed to match
*NC-SC 160: jointly created as renumbering of SC 211 and new route in NC
*NC-SC 179: jointly created
*NC-SC 198: NC numbered to match
*NC-SC 207: NC numbered to match
*NC-SC 216: SC numbered to match
*NC-SC 381: NC 78 extended and changed to match SC
*NC-SC 410: old US 701
*NC-SC 522: NC numbered to match
*NC-SC 742: SC 850 changed to match
*NC-SC 905: NC numbered to match
*NC-VA-WV 16: 1940 renumbering; NC 16 extended, replacing NC 681; VA 81-92-WV 12 changed to match
*NC-VA 8-32-35-37 (former, now US 13)-46-86-87-89-93-103-104 (former): 1940 renumbering; NC 109-VA 10-NC 45-VA 53-VA 34-NC 14-VA 106-VA 96-NC 260-NC 80-NC 800 changed to match
*NC-VA 62: VA numbered to match
*NC-VA 96: 1940 renumbering; jointly created from NC 562 and part of VA 49
*NC-VA 119: VA 694 changed to match
*NC-VA 168: 1940 renumbering; NC 170 extended over NC 30-34 and VA 27 renumbered 170 to match; later jointly renumbered 168
*NC-VA 186: NC numbered to match VA 195; later jointly renumbered 186 (due to I-195)
*NC-VA 615: NC numbered to match
*NC-VA 903: VA 650 changed to match?
*ND-SD 127: old US 81
*ND-SD 1804, ND-SD 1806: jointly numbered (Lewis and Clark route)
*OH-WV 527: old US 52
*OH-WV 618: WV numbered to match
*OK-TX 6: unrelated OK 6 and TX 6 extended to meet, replacing TX 283
*OK-TX 15: TX 117 changed to match
*OK-TX 33: TX 170 changed to match
*OK-TX 37: OK 57 changed to match
*OK-TX 78: OK 299 changed to match
*OK-TX 79: OK numbered to match
*OK-TX 91: history unclear; was OK-TX 75A
*OK-TX 136: OK numbered to match
*OK-TX 152: OK 41 changed to match
*PA-WV 218: WV numbered to match?
*PA-WV CR 857: WV numbered to match?
*TN-VA 70-91: 1940 renumbering; VA 64-78 changed to match
*UT-WY 150: WY 89 changed to match
*VA-WV 9-39-59 (former)-83-84-259-311: 1940 renumbering; VA 238-VA 501-VA 261-VA 59-VA 271-VA 275/WV 23/WV 58-WV 81 changed to match
*VA-WV 55: WV numbered to match?
*VA-WV 102: history unclear; formerly VA-WV 85
*VA-WV 127: joint renumbering of VA 698-WV 45
*VA-WV 598: old US 52
*VA-WV 635: WV numbered to match?
pre-1945 Florida route log

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Alps

I'd be curious about how PA 272 lines up with MD 272 for two completely different reasons - the x72 routes in PA and the 27x routes in MD.

Roadsguy

PA and DE 100 have been broken up since 2003 when PA 100 was rerouted onto the previously unnumbered expressway connector to end at US 202. DE 100 just disappears at the state line now.
Mileage-based exit numbering implies the existence of mileage-cringe exit numbering.

Mapmikey

SC and NC changed routes to match numbers across the board in 1937-38.
It looks like GA may have done the same with its neighbors in the 1941-42 timeframe
VA did the same with all its neighbors in 1940.

SC 17 was renumbered in 1928 because of US 17 being in SC.  All other US route/state number duplications were eliminated then as well...

Mapmikey

Quillz

It's not a multi-state route, but CA-139 and OR-39 connect to one another. Maybe a psuedo-MSR?

DandyDan

#6
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2012, 05:41:39 AM
I recently found out that at least one of these was a new-wave auto trail from the 1950s. I'm going to try to figure out if there were any others like this, or if all the others were just DOTs playing nice or historic reasons. [I'm not including New England, which was probably all either old New England routes or being nice]

*AR-MO 5: AR numbered to match
post in progress

Should read:
*AR-MO-IA 5: AR and IA numbered to match

*IL-IA-NE 64: IL 64 extended over IL 77, with IA 117 changed to match; later extended over IA 88-7; unrelated NE 64 later extended east over NE 93-130 to meet

I don't believe 64 ever made it to the Missouri River on either side of the Iowa-Nebraska border.
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Takumi

#7
Chronology of all Virginia crossings is here: http://www.vahighways.com/stateline.htm

I'm curious as to why VA/NC 170 was changed to an extended 168 in 1958. Was it to have a continuous route number from the then-new Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel to NC?
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TheStranger

I'm surprised no mention yet of (TX)-OK-KS-NE 99, of which the Texas part became US 377 (while half of the Oklahoma section is a concurrency of 377 and 99).

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hbelkins

Was there at one time a ferry linking the end of KY 80 across the Mississippi River to MO 80?
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NE2

Quote from: DandyDan on December 22, 2012, 06:11:40 PM
I don't believe 64 ever made it to the Missouri River on either side of the Iowa-Nebraska border.
Old Iowa DOT maps show that if it didn't, it got pretty damn close.
pre-1945 Florida route log

I accept and respect your identity as long as it's not dumb shit like "identifying as a vaccinated attack helicopter".

drummer_evans_aki

Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota Route 200

Could you imagine getting directions from a guy with tourettes?

NE2

Quote from: hbelkins on December 22, 2012, 07:44:05 PM
Was there at one time a ferry linking the end of KY 80 across the Mississippi River to MO 80?
Yes: http://bridgehunter.com/mo/mississippi/belmont-ferry/

Quote from: drummer_evans_aki on December 22, 2012, 09:03:17 PM
Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota Route 200
Already listed...
pre-1945 Florida route log

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US71

Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2012, 05:41:39 AM

*AR-MO 37: AR 47 probably changed to match when the rest became US 62
Not quite. 47 changed to 37 in the early-mid 1980's

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*CO-KS-MO 96: history of CO-KS unclear (both existed in 1926); MO 16 changed to match realignment over KS 26
No longer continuous. MO 96 now ends at MO 171 near Carl Junction.
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NE2

#14
Quote from: US71 on December 22, 2012, 09:40:44 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2012, 05:41:39 AM
*AR-MO 37: AR 47 probably changed to match when the rest became US 62
Not quite. 47 changed to 37 in the early-mid 1980's

You're right - 47 was dropped from some of the early state maps.
pre-1945 Florida route log

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Alps

Quote from: Quillz on December 22, 2012, 05:46:33 PM
It's not a multi-state route, but CA-139 and OR-39 connect to one another. Maybe a psuedo-MSR?
Reminds me of NJ-NY 84. When I-84 came to NY, it renumbered NY 84 to 284 - because the two were so close together, as opposed to it being a general rule. NJ obediently renumbered its own 84 to 284. There aren't many in NJ - 17 with NY and 48 with DE are the other two that come to mind, and 48 I believe is a case where DE followed NJ. There's also 439 and 440, very clearly numbered by NJ to match NY. And hell, that's all of them.

NE2

#17
Crap, I forgot DE-NJ 48. It definitely was numbered because of the ferry: http://www.deldot.gov/archaeology/historic_pres/historic_highway_maps/pdf/cd_008.pdf

PS: check out the complicated history of 284.
pre-1945 Florida route log

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US71

There was KS-MO 57 until MO 57 became 171.
Later K-57 east of US 69 was renumbered as K-171

Old US 66 is now MO 66, becomes K-66
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NE2

Quote from: US71 on December 23, 2012, 08:10:53 AM
There was KS-MO 57 until MO 57 became 171.
Later K-57 east of US 69 was renumbered as K-171

Old US 66 is now MO 66, becomes K-66

Both already listed.
pre-1945 Florida route log

I accept and respect your identity as long as it's not dumb shit like "identifying as a vaccinated attack helicopter".

Mapmikey

Quote from: Takumi on December 22, 2012, 06:44:04 PM
Chronology of all Virginia crossings is here: http://www.vahighways.com/stateline.htm

I'm curious as to why VA/NC 170 was changed to an extended 168 in 1958. Was it to have a continuous route number from the then-new Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel to NC?

This is the exact citation from the Nov 1957 CTB:

ROUTE 168 IS DESIGNATED via the Bridge-Tunnel crossing Hampton Roads and through Norfolk and South Norfolk replacing present Route 170, and whereas due to this routing of Route 168 through the cities it is also practicable to continue Route 168 over present Route 170 in Norfolk County to the North Carolina Line, and whereas present Route 170 continuing from Virginia into North Carolina has been approved by the North CAROLINA HIGHWAY Commission on November 4, 1957 for its designation as Route 168; NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that present Route 170 in Norfolk County be renumbered to carry Route number 168, from the south corporate limits of south Norfolk south to the North Carolina State Line; also the portion of present Route 168 leading from the east corpor ate limits of Norfolk east to an intersection with Route 60. in Princess Anne County be renumbered to carry Route 170. Motion carried

This suggests that your theory (my guess is you mean headed for the Outer Banks area and not just NC which was already accomplished by US 17) has merit though it is not explicitly stated why NC and VA agreed to do this.  One bit of evidence against the theory is that NC 168 headed southwest to Elizabeth City and not towards the beach until 1979.

Mapmikey

roadman65

#21
DE 71and MD 71 (Now US 301) used to be one route before the Bay Bridge was built.  I do not know the history of the two, but indeed DE 71 did not head south to end at US 13  in Townsend, but followed what is now US 301 SW if Middletown even long after MD 71 was decommissioned to be re-touted US 301.  DE 896 was originally to Townsend via present day DE 71 then, and the road to Boyds Corner that is now the home stretch for DE 896 was previously unnumbered.
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corco

WA/ID 128- Idaho commissioned and numbered to match 1990

Road Hog

OK-TX 91 is the old route of U.S. 75 and farther north, the U.S. 69-75 concurrency, before the present freeway was finished. It crosses the Red River over Denison Dam, which was built during World War II.

kphoger

Quote from: US71 on December 22, 2012, 09:40:44 PM
Quote
*CO-KS-MO 96: history of CO-KS unclear (both existed in 1926); MO 16 changed to match realignment over KS 26
No longer continuous. MO 96 now ends at MO 171 near Carl Junction.


Besides which, KS-96 now ends at US-54/400 in Wichita.

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