Someone in another thread mentioned about Illinois that there were two different control cities used for the same road next to each other on overhead signs. That made me think of a similar situation here in Orlando.
On I-4 Eastbound at Exit 75B you have the pull through sign start with "Daytona Beach" as control city on the pull through sign there. Then a few miles further it becomes Downtown Orlando at Exit 78.
Daytona is further than Downtown Orlando, and yet the further mentioned after Orlando, as it has been from Tampa, and before Downtown of Orlando.
Are there any other examples of this kind of situation.
This is likely what the OP is referring to. I-294 NB passing under I-190, the collector ramp to the right is off of I-190 EB.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=8384.msg195247#msg195247
Not quite exactly what you're talking about, but it bothers me when only pull-through control cities are listed instead of any guidance for the city you're actually about to be driving into.
I've noticed this problem in Memphis and Nashville. For example, coming in I-40 from the airport in Nashville, there comes a point where you can actually see the Nashville skyline, and are coming up to the I-24/I-40 split and the signs only have messages for places that are far away (https://maps.google.com/?ll=36.151976,-86.752719&spn=0.004778,0.007612&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=36.151976,-86.752719&panoid=Y0CBeroMoZK2nJEDW7SteA&cbp=12,294.27,,0,-5.63). No indication for what you should be doing to get to places that are actually in Nashville.
This also happens (https://maps.google.com/?ll=33.471146,-112.112362&spn=0.004936,0.007612&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=33.471146,-112.112362&panoid=l2BdikaRzQUwJ51jLC1xig&cbp=12,173.16,,0,4.2) to a certain extent in Phoenix. Where's Downtown Phoenix? Tempe?
Looking for cities that go back and forth on consecutive signs.
Quote from: wphiii on January 06, 2013, 09:17:17 PM
Not quite exactly what you're talking about, but it bothers me when only pull-through control cities are listed instead of any guidance for the city you're actually about to be driving into.
I've noticed this problem in Memphis and Nashville. For example, coming in I-40 from the airport in Nashville, there comes a point where you can actually see the Nashville skyline, and are coming up to the I-24/I-40 split and the signs only have messages for places that are far away (https://maps.google.com/?ll=36.151976,-86.752719&spn=0.004778,0.007612&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=36.151976,-86.752719&panoid=Y0CBeroMoZK2nJEDW7SteA&cbp=12,294.27,,0,-5.63). No indication for what you should be doing to get to places that are actually in Nashville.
This also happens (https://maps.google.com/?ll=33.471146,-112.112362&spn=0.004936,0.007612&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=33.471146,-112.112362&panoid=l2BdikaRzQUwJ51jLC1xig&cbp=12,173.16,,0,4.2) to a certain extent in Phoenix. Where's Downtown Phoenix? Tempe?
I am of an opposite mind. It bugs me to be in the metro area of a city, and that city continues to appear on guide signs.
For instance, signage on I-64 westbound inside the Gene Snyder Freeway (I-265) continues to indicate Louisville.
For my money, you're already IN Louisville.
Ditto for I-75 southbound at I-275 in the West Chester area. That's Cincinnati, even if you aren't in the corporate limits yet.
EB I-80 in Iowa goes back and forth between Chicago and Davenport east of the western I-35 interchange.
At the western I-35/I-235 interchange:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=des+moines,+ia&hl=en&ll=41.592065,-93.788159&spn=0.013561,0.033023&sll=41.592049,-93.788395&sspn=0.027249,0.066047&hnear=Des+Moines,+Polk,+Iowa&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=41.592057,-93.788401&panoid=iYZ6RLC9P2LvnI_-RhIbGw&cbp=12,98.13,,0,-7.95 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=des+moines,+ia&hl=en&ll=41.592065,-93.788159&spn=0.013561,0.033023&sll=41.592049,-93.788395&sspn=0.027249,0.066047&hnear=Des+Moines,+Polk,+Iowa&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=41.592057,-93.788401&panoid=iYZ6RLC9P2LvnI_-RhIbGw&cbp=12,98.13,,0,-7.95)
At the eastern I-35/I-235 interchange:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=des+moines,+ia&hl=en&ll=41.650998,-93.584762&spn=0.013612,0.033023&sll=41.592049,-93.788395&sspn=0.027249,0.066047&hnear=Des+Moines,+Polk,+Iowa&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=41.650767,-93.584447&panoid=SSHk70TatYEf7yecSf4kzw&cbp=12,95.85,,0,-6.84 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=des+moines,+ia&hl=en&ll=41.650998,-93.584762&spn=0.013612,0.033023&sll=41.592049,-93.788395&sspn=0.027249,0.066047&hnear=Des+Moines,+Polk,+Iowa&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=41.650767,-93.584447&panoid=SSHk70TatYEf7yecSf4kzw&cbp=12,95.85,,0,-6.84)
The magical disappearing, reappearing New York on I-80 EB from Cleveland.
On I95, the control cities are Daytona Beach and West Palm Beach except here in Brevard County where we for some reason skip those and use Jacksonville and Miami. Cross into Volusia or Indian River though and it goes back to Daytona and West Palm.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 06, 2013, 09:35:46 PM
I am of an opposite mind. It bugs me to be in the metro area of a city, and that city continues to appear on guide signs.
For instance, signage on I-64 westbound inside the Gene Snyder Freeway (I-265) continues to indicate Louisville.
For my money, you're already IN Louisville.
I think this is where a combination of your approach and the OP's would make sense:
once a road crosses into a metro area, you get both specific and distant with control cities. for instance...
101 south on the eastbound Ventura Freeway in San Fernado Valley is signed for "Los Angeles" even though the entirety of the final 30 miles of 101 is within the city.
"Downtown Los Angeles" or "Hollywood" work well as the short-distance southbound control, and a "Pasadena via 134" or a longer extreme, "San Bernardino" become valid for the distant second city.
Quote from: Revive 755 on January 06, 2013, 09:59:04 PM
EB I-80 in Iowa goes back and forth between Chicago and Davenport east of the western I-35 interchange.
That's weird. I think the western I-35 interchange is the only mention of Chicago on a BGS until you get to Davenport. It starts showing up on mileage signs around Iowa City.
I-5 northbound is Santa Ana control city in Orange County south of Santa Ana, but is Los Angeles in San Diego County as well as north of Santa Ana.
(the only people that care about Santa Ana are the hosers in the Orange County Caltrans office. otherwise, I've never heard anyone saying "ooh, let's go to Santa Ana for the weekend!")
As long as the pull through sign doesn't read "THRU TRAFFIC" I am probably going to be pretty content.
Though I am not especially enthused with the ones on northbound I-405 (San Diego Freeway) that read "Sacramento."
Quote from: pianocello on January 07, 2013, 09:38:58 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on January 06, 2013, 09:59:04 PM
EB I-80 in Iowa goes back and forth between Chicago and Davenport east of the western I-35 interchange.
That's weird. I think the western I-35 interchange is the only mention of Chicago on a BGS until you get to Davenport. It starts showing up on mileage signs around Iowa City.
Could be because I-80 doesn't go to Chicago. 138th St is the southern boundary of the city, 4½ miles from I-80. To get to Chicago from I-80 in Iowa, the reasonable route would be to take I-88 from just east of
Davenport, which transitions onto the Eisenhower to downtown.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 06, 2013, 09:35:46 PM
I am of an opposite mind. It bugs me to be in the metro area of a city, and that city continues to appear on guide signs.
For instance, signage on I-64 westbound inside the Gene Snyder Freeway (I-265) continues to indicate Louisville.
For my money, you're already IN Louisville.
I am of the same mindset as well. Shreveport, LA used to have "Shreveport" listed on entrance ramps to I-20 eastbound when you were already well within Shreveport AND inside the 220 loop. Those have now been changed to Monroe when signage was all replaced a few years ago. I-49 northbound there has Shreveport listed all the way until I-20 in downtown. Granted, it has not been extended north of I-20, but I think it's ridiculous to have Shreveport there when you may as well be in the central business district of town.
In places like New Orleans, the setup works fine. I-610 gets the further city (Baton Rouge or Slidell) as it acts as the bypass and I-10 BGS's change to N.O. Business District, IIRC.
But what wphiii says is definitely try for a lot of larger cities with multiple interstates or multiple loops. Additional signage could be added for which interstates/exits are destined for downtown _____
Quote from: hbelkins on January 06, 2013, 09:35:46 PM
Quote from: wphiii on January 06, 2013, 09:17:17 PM
Not quite exactly what you're talking about, but it bothers me when only pull-through control cities are listed instead of any guidance for the city you're actually about to be driving into.
I've noticed this problem in Memphis and Nashville. For example, coming in I-40 from the airport in Nashville, there comes a point where you can actually see the Nashville skyline, and are coming up to the I-24/I-40 split and the signs only have messages for places that are far away (https://maps.google.com/?ll=36.151976,-86.752719&spn=0.004778,0.007612&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=36.151976,-86.752719&panoid=Y0CBeroMoZK2nJEDW7SteA&cbp=12,294.27,,0,-5.63). No indication for what you should be doing to get to places that are actually in Nashville.
This also happens (https://maps.google.com/?ll=33.471146,-112.112362&spn=0.004936,0.007612&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=33.471146,-112.112362&panoid=l2BdikaRzQUwJ51jLC1xig&cbp=12,173.16,,0,4.2) to a certain extent in Phoenix. Where's Downtown Phoenix? Tempe?
I am of an opposite mind. It bugs me to be in the metro area of a city, and that city continues to appear on guide signs.
For instance, signage on I-64 westbound inside the Gene Snyder Freeway (I-265) continues to indicate Louisville.
For my money, you're already IN Louisville.
Ditto for I-75 southbound at I-275 in the West Chester area. That's Cincinnati, even if you aren't in the corporate limits yet.
It seems in those kinds of situations, the DOTs are using just the name of the city to actually indicate the "center city" or CBD or what have you, and assuming that the motorist will automatically be able to glean that (an assumption that I don't think is entirely unfair). Sure, it's not optimal, but I don't have nearly as much of a problem with that as I do with
zero positive guidance pertaining to the urban area you're actually in. Yes, space permitting, I'd certainly much rather see more specific messaging, i.e. "Downtown X." But I know that space on highway guide signs is not always a trivial matter, and I just feel much better with that "abbreviated" form of current-city guidance than none at all.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 07, 2013, 10:38:12 AM
Though I am not especially enthused with the ones on northbound I-405 (San Diego Freeway) that read "Sacramento."
Years ago, those used to read "Bakersfield" (reflecting how the Golden State Freeway used to be part of 99 south of Wheeler Ridge) - but I still feel like that's not ideal either.
If 210 west can have San Fernando as a control city, 405 and 170 northbound could use that too IMO.
On a guide sign on SB US 7 in CT it says 95 North to Bridgeport, even though New Haven is the control city for the area. Also on 95, signs in the city say New Haven CT I-95 North, but in Westchester County, NY they generally say "Conn." instead of New Haven.
ODOT went through a phase with Wheeling shown as the control city for I-70 EB west of downtown Columbus, later changing it back to Columbus. Meanwhile nearby, there is still a mixture of old signage (dwindling but still out there) with Indianapolis as a control city for I-70 WB, with Dayton on newer signs. If there is room, might as well include both. 70 actually hits Indy but misses Dayton proper to the north, although the DAY airport is on the other side of I-70 from the city. If only one control city, I guess I'd grudgingly go along with the Dayton switch, although I'm not totally sold on it. :P I-70 in Ohio and Indiana between "Dayton" and Indy also exhibits switcheroos on older and newer signage, with Columbus on mostly older signs and some new carbon-copies and Dayton on some newer redesigned signs.
Steve already mentioned the NYC that I thought of as well--older signage had New York City as the control city for I-80 EB even west of Youngstown, with Y'town only added on a panel in the position of an exit tab. Some newer signs have both listed. Once you get to PA, no mention of NYC.
Quote from: TheStranger on January 08, 2013, 12:01:01 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 07, 2013, 10:38:12 AM
Though I am not especially enthused with the ones on northbound I-405 (San Diego Freeway) that read "Sacramento."
Years ago, those used to read "Bakersfield" (reflecting how the Golden State Freeway used to be part of 99 south of Wheeler Ridge) - but I still feel like that's not ideal either.
If 210 west can have San Fernando as a control city, 405 and 170 northbound could use that too IMO.
I like that. Especially since it also
implies the San Fernando Valley.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 08, 2013, 09:30:44 PM
I like that. Especially since it also implies the San Fernando Valley.
Another road which could easily use "San Fernando" as a control: Route 118 east.
Quote from: kphoger on January 07, 2013, 11:46:51 AM
Could be because I-80 doesn't go to Chicago. 138th St is the southern boundary of the city, 4½ miles from I-80. To get to Chicago from I-80 in Iowa, the reasonable route would be to take I-88 from just east of Davenport, which transitions onto the Eisenhower to downtown.
I don't buy into this argument. There are many occasions when you're an interstate lists a control city that it doesn't go to. It doesn't matter that the interstate doesn't go there itself. I'm sure there's still a LOT of traffic from Des Moines that starts using I-80 to head east to Chicago. Depending on which part of Chicago they are going to, they might take I-88 or they might stay on I-80 and take it to, say, I-55 or I-57.
Another good example of this... I-57 south from Chicago. It uses Memphis as the control city. I-57 does not go to Memphis, but Memphis is a good control city for that.
This happens a lot.
Agreed. It was just a suggestion for why that might be the case.
Quote from: kphoger on January 07, 2013, 11:46:51 AM
Quote from: pianocello on January 07, 2013, 09:38:58 AM
That's weird. I think the western I-35 interchange is the only mention of Chicago on a BGS until you get to Davenport. It starts showing up on mileage signs around Iowa City.
Could be because I-80 doesn't go to Chicago. 138th St is the southern boundary of the city, 4½ miles from I-80. To get to Chicago from I-80 in Iowa, the reasonable route would be to take I-88 from just east of Davenport, which transitions onto the Eisenhower to downtown.
I understand what you're saying. What I was trying to say (and why I was confused) was that Chicago isn't mentioned at all in Iowa west of Davenport, except on mileage signs.
It's been three days, and no one's going to point out that fluxuate (as opposed to flu
ctuate) is not a word? I guess we're nicer here than on the rest of the internet.
Quote from: Steve on January 06, 2013, 11:13:50 PM
The magical disappearing, reappearing New York on I-80 EB from Cleveland.
Likewise, New York north from Baltimore on I-95.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 06, 2013, 09:35:46 PMI am of an opposite mind. It bugs me to be in the metro area of a city, and that city continues to appear on guide signs.
Nothing like I-205 southbound at I-84 in Portland, OR - having passed not one, but TWO "Entering Portland" signs (Thanks to the tiny, nearly insignificant town of Maywood Park that is fully surrounded by Portland yet ODOT felt the need to install signs telling you when you enter Maywood Park and then when you re-enter Portland, 650 feet later), seeing the overhead for "I-84 East // Portland".
But back on topic, the only example I can think of is on northbound Oregon 217 to westbound U.S. 26, the control city for U.S. 26 alternates between Astoria and Seaside.
Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 10, 2013, 12:33:02 AM
It's been three days, and no one's going to point out that fluxuate (as opposed to fluctuate) is not a word? I guess we're nicer here than on the rest of the internet.
Quote from: Steve on January 06, 2013, 11:13:50 PM
The magical disappearing, reappearing New York on I-80 EB from Cleveland.
Likewise, New York north from Baltimore on I-95.
At least the NJ Turnpike now signs their pull-thru signs with New York. And between Interchanges 1 & 4 on the DE Turnpike, I can't think of any real pull-thru signs with a city. So there may actually be some consistancy from Baltimore to North Jersey. (Not that it's right for Maryland to ignore Delaware, PA & NJ however).
Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 10, 2013, 12:33:02 AM
It's been three days, and no one's going to point out that fluxuate (as opposed to fluctuate) is not a word? I guess we're nicer here than on the rest of the internet.
I noticed immediately but didn't feel the need to comment.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 10, 2013, 10:26:56 AM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 10, 2013, 12:33:02 AM
It's been three days, and no one's going to point out that fluxuate (as opposed to fluctuate) is not a word? I guess we're nicer here than on the rest of the internet.
I noticed immediately but didn't feel the need to comment.
Same here. I'll point out a typo if it's particularly bad or if it's funny, but otherwise I don't always want to be the "spelling Nazi" or the "grammar Nazi." (But if someone uses text-message spelling, I simply ignore the post. I find that stuff hard to read.)
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 10, 2013, 10:47:18 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 10, 2013, 10:26:56 AM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 10, 2013, 12:33:02 AM
It's been three days, and no one's going to point out that fluxuate (as opposed to fluctuate) is not a word? I guess we're nicer here than on the rest of the internet.
I noticed immediately but didn't feel the need to comment.
Same here. I'll point out a typo if it's particularly bad or if it's funny, but otherwise I don't always want to be the "spelling Nazi" or the "grammar Nazi." (But if someone uses text-message spelling, I simply ignore the post. I find that stuff hard to read.)
Fair enough. To be fair, I didn't notice until yesterday, a couple of hours before I posted, despite seeing the thread right away. I caught it out of the corner of my eye, thought "What about flux capacitors?", read it properly, and noticed the issue. And then it started bugging me every time I saw it, so the Anal Spelling Enthusiast in me felt the need to point it out.
South of Memphis, I-55 uses Jackson as a control city, but later down the road, uses Batesville as a control city. Past Batesville, Grenada is the control city, but goes back to Jackson beyond there.
Some of you need to go to street view LOL and check out the misspelling that the OOCEA uses for Re-entry. At EXIT 24, on the FL 528 the overhead guide (and other places on the system) the word Reentry is used.
Then you have the word thru for through, Donut for Doughnut, Boro for borough, etc.
Of course, even though incorrect technically those are accepted alternate spellings. Although spell check listed two of those as incorrect.
Anyway, I took note. I should have looked the word up before using. John Tesh once said on his radio show that improper spelling can turn readers away especially on job resumes.
"Reentry" does not have to be hyphenated according to most dictionaries.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 10, 2013, 12:56:20 PM
Some of you need to go to street view LOL and check out the misspelling that the OOCEA uses for Re-entry. At EXIT 24, on the FL 528 the overhead guide (and other places on the system) the word Reentry is used.
Then you have the word thru for through, Donut for Doughnut, Boro for borough, etc.
Of course, even though incorrect technically those are accepted alternate spellings. Although spell check listed two of those as incorrect.
Anyway, I took note. I should have looked the word up before using. John Tesh once said on his radio show that improper spelling can turn readers away especially on job resumes.
FWIW, the correct expression is "should have." "should have" is so obvious that it's often used as a "gotcha" kind of incorrect answer on tests like the SAT.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 10, 2013, 12:56:20 PM
Then you have the word thru for through, Donut for Doughnut, Boro for borough, etc.
"Boro" I think is a case of the abbreviation -- since when you look at it, it's pronounced the same as the full word -- getting overused.
"Thru" is iffy. I don't have a problem with it in the context of "thru traffic" -- although that's a shitty control city -- but if you tell me you drove "thru a tunnel", I may have to smack you. (Likewise, "late nite" is okay, but nite as a substitute in other contexts is not. I have no idea, though, how "lite" became an acceptable way to spell the name of half-fat salad dressings.)
"Donuts" has always been an acceptable spelling as long as I've been alive, at least on this side of the pond, and is in the name of a multinational corporation.
But sadly, "fluxuate" is merely an honest mistake.
How about bridges as control cities - significance?
Other roads? http://goo.gl/maps/DsaIz
Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 10, 2013, 11:17:37 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 10, 2013, 10:47:18 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 10, 2013, 10:26:56 AM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 10, 2013, 12:33:02 AM
It's been three days, and no one's going to point out that fluxuate (as opposed to fluctuate) is not a word? I guess we're nicer here than on the rest of the internet.
I noticed immediately but didn't feel the need to comment.
Same here. I'll point out a typo if it's particularly bad or if it's funny, but otherwise I don't always want to be the "spelling Nazi" or the "grammar Nazi." (But if someone uses text-message spelling, I simply ignore the post. I find that stuff hard to read.)
Fair enough. To be fair, I didn't notice until yesterday, a couple of hours before I posted, despite seeing the thread right away. I caught it out of the corner of my eye, thought "What about flux capacitors?", read it properly, and noticed the issue. And then it started bugging me every time I saw it, so the Anal Spelling Enthusiast in me felt the need to point it out.
I'm usually kind of a spelling/grammar nazi. I figure... if I make a mistake, I would want someone else to point it out to me so I can fix it. I always try to point out corrections in a polite, constructive way and hope that others point out my mistakes to me in the same manner.
Quote from: A.J. Bertin on January 10, 2013, 01:33:13 PM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 10, 2013, 11:17:37 AM
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Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 10, 2013, 12:33:02 AM
It's been three days, and no one's going to point out that fluxuate (as opposed to fluctuate) is not a word? I guess we're nicer here than on the rest of the internet.
I noticed immediately but didn't feel the need to comment.
Same here. I'll point out a typo if it's particularly bad or if it's funny, but otherwise I don't always want to be the "spelling Nazi" or the "grammar Nazi." (But if someone uses text-message spelling, I simply ignore the post. I find that stuff hard to read.)
Fair enough. To be fair, I didn't notice until yesterday, a couple of hours before I posted, despite seeing the thread right away. I caught it out of the corner of my eye, thought "What about flux capacitors?", read it properly, and noticed the issue. And then it started bugging me every time I saw it, so the Anal Spelling Enthusiast in me felt the need to point it out.
I'm usually kind of a spelling/grammar nazi. I figure... if I make a mistake, I would want someone else to point it out to me so I can fix it. I always try to point out corrections in a polite, constructive way and hope that others point out my mistakes to me in the same manner.
Yeah thanks. It is what we all should do. Too many people in today's world do not do that and either be mean, or just say nothing to them and gossip behind their backs.
Quote from: A.J. Bertin on January 10, 2013, 01:33:13 PM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 10, 2013, 11:17:37 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 10, 2013, 10:47:18 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 10, 2013, 10:26:56 AM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 10, 2013, 12:33:02 AM
It's been three days, and no one's going to point out that fluxuate (as opposed to fluctuate) is not a word? I guess we're nicer here than on the rest of the internet.
I noticed immediately but didn't feel the need to comment.
Same here. I'll point out a typo if it's particularly bad or if it's funny, but otherwise I don't always want to be the "spelling Nazi" or the "grammar Nazi." (But if someone uses text-message spelling, I simply ignore the post. I find that stuff hard to read.)
Fair enough. To be fair, I didn't notice until yesterday, a couple of hours before I posted, despite seeing the thread right away. I caught it out of the corner of my eye, thought "What about flux capacitors?", read it properly, and noticed the issue. And then it started bugging me every time I saw it, so the Anal Spelling Enthusiast in me felt the need to point it out.
I'm usually kind of a spelling/grammar nazi. I figure... if I make a mistake, I would want someone else to point it out to me so I can fix it. I always try to point out corrections in a polite, constructive way and hope that others point out my mistakes to me in the same manner.
For me, the thing is that I find typos everywhere, and I often spot them very quickly. Road signs, restaurant menus, the missal at Sunday Mass, the newspaper, opposing parties' briefing (my favorite was when opposing counsel called my client's product a "pubic health hazard" when they meant "public")....I find them EVERYWHERE. I also know that depending on the forum, some people take offense if you seem to be nitpicking too much on typos. So I've kind of reached the point where I tend to ignore something that I think looks like it was an honest typo (given that we all make mistakes, and given that typos can be really easy to make if you're typing on your phone or the like) but I might be more likely to point it out if I think it looks like someone either misunderstood what a word meant or genuinely didn't know how to spell it. I think in the latter two cases it's helpful to point it out so that the person doesn't make the same mistake in the future in a situation where it might be embarrassing–for instance, I once knew a guy who didn't know how to spell "résumé," so he sounded it out and spelled it "resimay." I hurried to correct him as quickly as possible!
In the case of "fluxuating," I simply didn't feel motivated enough to note it.
But if a mistake is just an obvious typo that looks like it's a case of fat fingers, I don't know that it necessarily benefits the person to mention it.
(If I really wanted to get on my grammar/punctuation horse I'd be noting posts like Reply #36 in this thread from roadman 65 where it says "Yeah thanks" and pointing out the improper omission of the comma between those two words. But if I were on the receiving end of that kind of comment I might feel that the person making it is being a dick, so I therefore try to refrain from mentioning such things.)
BTW, no doubt anyone who has observed my regular use of the em dash (this thing – ) instead of two hyphens, or the cent sign ¢ instead of "$0.75" or "75c," has figured out that I feel strongly about typography!
Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 10, 2013, 01:26:33 PM
I have no idea, though, how "lite" became an acceptable way to spell the name of half-fat salad dressings.)
I can't stand those that type 'Coors Lite' and 'Miller Light'. They are not the correct spellings of those beers!
The preferred spelling is 'Water', and 'Water', respectively.
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Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 10, 2013, 01:26:33 PM
I have no idea, though, how "lite" became an acceptable way to spell the name of half-fat salad dressings.)
I can't stand those that type 'Coors Lite' and 'Miller Light'. They are not the correct spellings of those beers!
The preferred spelling is 'Water', and 'Water', respectively.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 10, 2013, 03:52:36 PM
75c
Guilty! I can just never, ever remember Alt+0162. However, I don't feel
too guilty, since c is the correct abbreviation for the euro cent.
that's an insult to water!
that said, Coors Light ain't bad. Miller is mediocre, and Budweiser is ... uurrrgh!
Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 10, 2013, 12:33:02 AM
It's been three days, and no one's going to point out that fluxuate (as opposed to fluctuate) is not a word? I guess we're nicer here than on the rest of the internet.
Quote from: Steve on January 06, 2013, 11:13:50 PM
I guessed it must be a British variant (like "connexion") and presumed I was the only one who didn't know this, since... no one was discussing it. :)
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 10, 2013, 03:57:21 PM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 10, 2013, 01:26:33 PM
I have no idea, though, how "lite" became an acceptable way to spell the name of half-fat salad dressings.)
I can't stand those that type 'Coors Lite' and 'Miller Light'. They are not the correct spellings of those beers!
The preferred spelling is 'Water', and 'Water', respectively.
Really? I learned it was P-I-S-S. Must be a regional thing.
Speaking of typos, did anyone check out the link about the future Garden State Parkway construction projects in the regional threads? The official NJ Turnpike Authority website spelled "bridge" as "bride" to report about one of the bridge rehabilitation projects.
The biggest one that I think is spelled wrong, but for effectiveness in advertising, is KOA for Kampgrounds of America. Then they use also in their advertising for cabins, I think either Kabins or Kamping Cabins. I am not sure.
Then the Fisherman's Cove Restaurant that was in Orlando back in the 90's, had "Krazy Coconut Shrimp."
Kwick Stop convenience stores is another.
The biggest one that made it through is the word "ain't" which was once deemed improper use of grammar is now the norm over the exception.
Then you have the street talk lingo, like "Da" for "the" like in the neigborhood where many R & B and Rap artists use as well as urban folks now say Da Hood. Then the recent attention grabber that was never a word, but now is would be "Yo." "Brotha" for Brother or "Sista" for Sister is another accepted form of improper gramar or "what up" for what's up even though what's up is considered a phrase and not a valid sentence.
The problem is we got so used to it, we consider it the normal way now or not notice it at all. I feel bad for children in school being corrected for misusing words that are used on TV and by their parents as normal vocabulary.
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 10, 2013, 10:47:18 AM
I don't always want to be the "spelling Nazi" or the "grammar Nazi."
NO WORDS FOR YOU!!!Sorry, I couldn't resist...
Quote from: kphoger on January 10, 2013, 04:52:25 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 10, 2013, 03:52:36 PM
75c
Guilty! I can just never, ever remember Alt+0162. However, I don't feel too guilty, since c is the correct abbreviation for the euro cent.
Yeah, I didn't mean to imply I was criticizing anyone for it. I've always found it odd that the cent sign was omitted from computer keyboards, and as a result it's largely disappeared–heck, you can find OOCEA signs in Florida that say things like "PAY TOLL $.75" (the omission of the zero between the dollar sign and the decimal point irks me too).
I'm just picky about my typography.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 11, 2013, 08:02:53 AM
Speaking of typos, did anyone check out the link about the future Garden State Parkway construction projects in the regional threads? The official NJ Turnpike Authority website spelled "bridge" as "bride" to report about one of the bridge rehabilitation projects.
The biggest one that I think is spelled wrong, but for effectiveness in advertising, is KOA for Kampgrounds of America. Then they use also in their advertising for cabins, I think either Kabins or Kamping Cabins. I am not sure.
Then the Fisherman's Cove Restaurant that was in Orlando back in the 90's, had "Krazy Coconut Shrimp."
Kwick Stop convenience stores is another.
The biggest one that made it through is the word "ain't" which was once deemed improper use of grammar is now the norm over the exception.
Then you have the street talk lingo, like "Da" for "the" like in the neigborhood where many R & B and Rap artists use as well as urban folks now say Da Hood. Then the recent attention grabber that was never a word, but now is would be "Yo." "Brotha" for Brother or "Sista" for Sister is another accepted form of improper gramar or "what up" for what's up even though what's up is considered a phrase and not a valid sentence.
The problem is we got so used to it, we consider it the normal way now or not notice it at all. I feel bad for children in school being corrected for misusing words that are used on TV and by their parents as normal vocabulary.
Another current fad in that vein is the ever-increasing misuse of the word "fail" as a noun, such as the people who say things like, "The condition of the grass at FedEx Field on Sunday was a huge fail." WRONG! There's no such thing as "a fail." The correct word is "failure": "Your English teacher will
fail you because of your consistent
failure to use proper grammar." I think the real problem is that nowadays a lot of people fail (ha ha) to recognize the difference between fast-moving formats (like chat rooms) and space-limited formats (like SMS or Twitter), on the one hand, and standard correspondence (such as e-mail) or more "conversation-based" (such as this sort of forum, where the post to which you reply won't vanish unless a moderator or the writer deletes it) formats. Certain forms of writing that are technically "incorrect" are perfectly understandable when you're limited to 140 characters or when chat room comments are rocketing past. That sort of thing has been around for years in the form of newspaper headlines, which because of space limitations have always omitted words that would be required in a standard sentence. But back before the advent of SMS and Twitter and the like you wouldn't hear someone having a regular conversation say something like "Griffin surgery reported successful." He'd say something like, "I heard on the radio that Griffin's surgery was successful." Nowadays for some reason some people seem to think that it's acceptable to SPEAK their silly SMS abbreviations, or to do inexplicable things like spelling "just" as "juss" (why the heck would anyone do that????), in standard e-mail.
Maybe I'm a stickler, but some of that comes from recognizing that when you send e-mail to a client it's essentially just like a printed letter with certain formatting differences due to its being electronic (for example, the inside address is omitted because the "To:" field serves the same purpose).
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 11, 2013, 10:05:40 AM
Another current fad in that vein is the ever-increasing misuse of the word "fail" as a noun, such as the people who say things like, "The condition of the grass at FedEx Field on Sunday was a huge fail." WRONG! There's no such thing as "a fail." The correct word is "failure": "Your English teacher will fail you because of your consistent failure to use proper grammar." I think the real problem is that nowadays a lot of people fail (ha ha) to recognize the difference between fast-moving formats (like chat rooms) and space-limited formats (like SMS or Twitter), on the one hand, and standard correspondence (such as e-mail) or more "conversation-based" (such as this sort of forum, where the post to which you reply won't vanish unless a moderator or the writer deletes it) formats. Certain forms of writing that are technically "incorrect" are perfectly understandable when you're limited to 140 characters or when chat room comments are rocketing past.
While using text/chat/whatever speak in other contexts is awful for the most part, I use, and I have seen plenty of other people here and elsewhere use things like IMHO and FTFY in posts. Things like this I feel have evolved from being just chat/text/whatever speak to being recognized acronyms.
As for using "fail" as a noun, blame the internet. I don't exactly see it as still being "wrong" though, since the "proper" use of words does change over time. The English language a hundred years ago was significantly different compared to the English language today, so I see things like "fail" just being an example of that continual linguistic evolution.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 10, 2013, 04:52:34 PM
Coors Light ain't bad.
And you say you're from San Diego! :)
We're getting derailed here, but if you read 19th century British lit like I have, you'd note that "x" is often used in longer words that make that sound regardless of the correct spelling, just to shorten things up a bit. So I took no issue with the post title on that basis.
I really dislike when people omit the dash in to-day and to-morrow.
Quote from: NE2 on January 11, 2013, 05:20:03 PM
I really dislike when people omit the dash in to-day and to-morrow.
I dislike it when people confuse a hyphen and a dash. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthebumperboards.com%2Fbumperboards%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fmusic%2Frockon.gif&hash=d9066258e7609b96c43f62e8a4ee6f042f594f0c)
You know what really bugs me is the fact that many words in the English language are not spelled as they are pronounced like in other languages.
I think the way "environment" is spelled E-N-V-I-R-O-N-M-E-N-T is stupid! I know its the way the English language came about to make it that way, but how we say it is without the "N" and the "R" and "O" reversed. It makes it difficult and frustrating when spell check marks it wrong and you have to take time to get the dictionary out to see how misspelled the word really is, even though technically you are the one incorrect for what you have thought the word's spelling always was.
Enough said, there are plenty of examples of this language wide that can write a book longer than Gone With The Wind, but our language is the hardest in the world due to its inconsistencies in lettering. I sometimes want to write the way I think it ought to be spelled, and I think many of us have already.
Everyone I know pronounces "environment" the way it's spelled except when it's in the longer form "environmental" (which I usually hear said like "en-vi-urn-mental," so the first "n" is still pronounced).
I think two of the weirder ones in this respect are "February" and "Wednesday," neither of which I've ever heard said like they're spelled except by teachers trying to emphasize the spelling.
Don't get me started on "Colonel". How is the "olo" pronounced "er"?
Quote from: Big John on January 12, 2013, 10:35:58 AM
Don't get me started on "Colonel". How is the "olo" pronounced "er"?
Here's one explanation:
http://teachinghistory.org/history-content/ask-a-historian/22270
Quote from: 1995hoo
Another current fad in that vein is the ever-increasing misuse of the word "fail" as a noun, such as the people who say things like, "The condition of the grass at FedEx Field on Sunday was a huge fail." WRONG! There's no such thing as "a fail." The correct word is "failure"
AMEN!!! Thank you!!! This whole "fail" thing annoys the crap out of me too.
Please learn to use quote tags properly. -Connor
Quote from: A.J. Bertin on January 12, 2013, 11:07:05 PM
Please learn to use quote tags properly. -Connor
You could say his quote tag usage was a fail.
How 'bout "epic fail is."
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 12, 2013, 10:25:51 AM
Everyone I know pronounces "environment" the way it's spelled except when it's in the longer form "environmental" (which I usually hear said like "en-vi-urn-mental," so the first "n" is still pronounced).
I think two of the weirder ones in this respect are "February" and "Wednesday," neither of which I've ever heard said like they're spelled except by teachers trying to emphasize the spelling.
Ditto on the Wednesday or February thing as if some letter rearranging is done it would be better.
However, those were named after Greek gods just as the planets are. I do not know in other languages how they derive at the names for their months. As a child, a big misconception was that I though all languages world wide used our names for days and months. When I first learned of the Spanish and their names, I thought the Spanish were being rude to Americans and saying FU to us and ignoring most important common names and being smart.
Where I come from they use envi- ur-ment to say the word. Just like some people say draw for drawer or fir for for. Also many I heard say for the letter "W" as dubba yah instead it is proper to say double U. I was corrected on the last.
I would like to know why in Canada, the word center is spelled "centre" or meter (the metric measure) is also spelled differently as "M-E-T-R-E" and also ton is tonne. We both speak the same language, but we spell some key common words differently.
The English language is derived from many other different names, so it gets complicated
trust me, guys, you're not gonna ever get a less intuitive pronunciation than that of "Enraughty".
go ahead, guess how it is spelled phonetically.
Rhymes with draughty?
Quote from: A.J. Bertin on January 12, 2013, 11:07:05 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo
Another current fad in that vein is the ever-increasing misuse of the word "fail" as a noun, such as the people who say things like, "The condition of the grass at FedEx Field on Sunday was a huge fail." WRONG! There's no such thing as "a fail." The correct word is "failure"
AMEN!!! Thank you!!! This whole "fail" thing annoys the crap out of me too.
Please learn to use quote tags properly. -Connor
I'm still at a loss, even after a couple years' thinking about it, as to how "epic fail" should be translated into Spanish. Yes, people have asked me.
Quote from: kphoger on January 14, 2013, 01:12:00 PM
I'm still at a loss, even after a couple years' thinking about it, as to how "epic fail" should be translated into Spanish. Yes, people have asked me.
I think I've exclaimed "ay! falta" but that isn't nearly correct.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 14, 2013, 10:09:07 AMHowever, those were named after Greek gods just as the planets are. I do not know in other languages how they derive at the names for their months.
Wednesday is named after Woden, who was Germanic (and similar linguistically to Odin in Norse). Many languages seem to name most of the days of the week after the '7 planets' that the Greeks had (mostly using Roman names - Venus, not Aphrodite for Friday in all but Greek) - including Latin-based and Gaelic-based languages. English, however, like German and Scandinavian languages use the Germanic system of naming the days of the week: Sun-day, Moon-day, Tiw's-day, Woden/Odin's-day, Thor's-day, Frige's-day and Saturn's-day (this one is from the Latin, though the north-Germanic peoples of Estonia and Scandinavia call it 'washing-day').
QuoteI would like to know why in Canada, the word center is spelled "centre" or meter (the metric measure) is also spelled differently as "M-E-T-R-E" and also ton is tonne. We both speak the same language, but we spell some key common words differently.
It's the American spelling that's different. Blame 1066 and all that for the original spelling, blame Webster for America's changes from that, like dropping 'u's and flipping 're' endings.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 14, 2013, 10:24:58 AM
trust me, guys, you're not gonna ever get a less intuitive pronunciation than that of "Enraughty".
go ahead, guess how it is spelled phonetically.
Ionnrachtaigh, though that's not English phonetic spelling (and it's "Enr
oughty" that you meant).
It's not even one of those classic aristocratic surnames that tweak in a huge way, like Featherstonehaugh, Marjoribanks or Cholmondeley (the best non-surname example must be Magdalene College Oxford's pronounciation, though Lieutenant is pretty strange too).
Oh wait, you mean the weird Virginian pronounciation that comes out like the East Midlands (of England) city where the Rams play (did some googling as had no idea why that was weird) due to a family squabble. It's also a spelled funny, rather than pronounced funny, word - unlike all the other weird surnames.
Quote from: english si on January 14, 2013, 03:18:50 PM
(and it's "Enroughty" that you meant).
yep, biffed that one. oopsie
QuoteIt's also a spelled funny, rather than pronounced funny, word - unlike all the other weird surnames.
if a word is spelled not like it is pronounced, is it spelled or pronounced funny?
Quote from: roadman65 on January 12, 2013, 10:20:13 AM
You know what really bugs me is the fact that many words in the English language are not spelled as they are pronounced like in other languages.
I think the way "environment" is spelled E-N-V-I-R-O-N-M-E-N-T is stupid! I know its the way the English language came about to make it that way, but how we say it is without the "N" and the "R" and "O" reversed. It makes it difficult and frustrating when spell check marks it wrong and you have to take time to get the dictionary out to see how misspelled the word really is, even though technically you are the one incorrect for what you have thought the word's spelling always was.
Enough said, there are plenty of examples of this language wide that can write a book longer than Gone With The Wind, but our language is the hardest in the world due to its inconsistencies in lettering. I sometimes want to write the way I think it ought to be spelled, and I think many of us have already.
At some point in time the odd spellings were pronounced phonically.. in some cases its just easier to say things the way we do or the sound a letter represents has changed over time ( ie knife was said k-nif-e in Middle English. At the time of the conquistadors Spanish used X to represent something close to the CH sound... this is where the term Chicano came from. The indigenous called their land something like "Meschico" the Spanish spelled it as Mexico)... there have been moves to simplify spelling over the years, like Noah Webster removing our from words like Harbor
Quote from: jwolfer on January 15, 2013, 02:36:12 PM
At the time of the conquistadors Spanish used X to represent something close to the CH sound... this is where the term Chicano came from. The indigenous called their land something like "Meschico" the Spanish spelled it as Mexico)... there have been moves to simplify spelling over the years, like Noah Webster removing our from words like Harbor
IIRC, the "X" is more like a "SH" sound, not a "CH" sound which has been in Spanish for a very long time. It's more like "Me-shi-co". Many words in Mexican Spanish seem to retain this X = SH sound i.e. Xcaret = Shcaret.
Quote from: Brandon on January 15, 2013, 02:59:59 PM
IIRC, the "X" is more like a "SH" sound, not a "CH" sound which has been in Spanish for a very long time. It's more like "Me-shi-co". Many words in Mexican Spanish seem to retain this X = SH sound i.e. Xcaret = Shcaret.
the "sh" vs "h" distinction is, interestingly enough, also prevalent in Patagonia - especially the Argentine side. it took me a bit of time to figure out that a syllable pronounced "sho" was the local variant of "I" ("yo"), for example.
Quote from: Brandon on January 15, 2013, 02:59:59 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 15, 2013, 02:36:12 PM
At the time of the conquistadors Spanish used X to represent something close to the CH sound... this is where the term Chicano came from. The indigenous called their land something like "Meschico" the Spanish spelled it as Mexico)... there have been moves to simplify spelling over the years, like Noah Webster removing our from words like Harbor
IIRC, the "X" is more like a "SH" sound, not a "CH" sound which has been in Spanish for a very long time. It's more like "Me-shi-co". Many words in Mexican Spanish seem to retain this X = SH sound i.e. Xcaret = Shcaret.
I have a BA in Spanish... I know about the "Meshico"... the Spanish fit it as best they could in their language... happnens many times in language contact the closest sound it used and many times it is not exact.
X is one of the most confusing letters in Mexican Spanish. To add to what has previously been brought up, I should point out that the letter X is also used interchangeably with the letter J in some cases (e.g., Xalapa/Jalapa, Ximénez/Jiménez). So, in Mexican Spanish, the letter X can be pronounced in the following ways:
as KS or GS - Example: exigente (demanding)
as S - Example: extraño (strange)
as SH - Example: Xoxtla (a town in Puebla)
as H - Example: México (hmmmm....)
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 14, 2013, 03:25:49 PMif a word is spelled not like it is pronounced, is it spelled or pronounced funny?
Depends what came first:
- Featherstonehaugh morphed into being pronounced 'Fan-shaw' having originally been much closer to the spelling - that's pronounced funny.
- Enroughty pronounced 'Darby' was due to a family (the Enroughtys, funnily enough - and pronounced fairly logically) being offered the chance to inherit a fortune, provided they called themselves 'Derby'. So they did, only they spelled the word pronounced 'Darby' E-N-R-O-U-G-H-T-Y. I guess as they had more correspondence by mail than face-to-face or it would be Derby pronounced 'Enright') so they kept their old, more posh-sounding and respectable, name - that's spelled funny.
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Isn't the Spanish 'x' related to the Greek 'χ' (chi)?
Quote from: english si on January 15, 2013, 06:13:15 PM
Isn't the Spanish 'x' related to the Greek 'χ' (chi)?
More accurately, the letter
x itself is historically related to the Greek letter chi–regardless of which language you're talking about. Where the Greek letter chi originated is a topic of debate.
In Medieval Spanish, the letter
x was pronounced as SH, as it still is in Catalan, Portuguese, et al. It later morphed into a guttural H in Spanish (Ã la México), more or less equivalent to the modern pronunciation of
j (hence the alternate spelling,
Méjico). Most of the Mexican words and names in which the
x is pronounced as SH are indigenous words;
x was chosen to represent that sound in the development of those written languages, and some of those words have no pure Mexican equivalent (e.g. nixtamal). Interestingly, the
x in the name Mexica–the primary Aztec people after which México is named–is pronounced as SH, which is different from its pronunciation in the name México.
By the way, GHOTI.
Quote from: PurdueBill on January 08, 2013, 09:06:50 PM
ODOT went through a phase with Wheeling shown as the control city for I-70 EB west of downtown Columbus, later changing it back to Columbus. Meanwhile nearby, there is still a mixture of old signage (dwindling but still out there) with Indianapolis as a control city for I-70 WB, with Dayton on newer signs. If there is room, might as well include both. 70 actually hits Indy but misses Dayton proper to the north, although the DAY airport is on the other side of I-70 from the city.
I-70 runs through Dayton's northern suburbs, so the control city fits OK. Perhaps when I-70 was built back in the '60s, the area was not quite so suburbanized.
Going WB on I-70 in the London, OH area, there was at least one Springfield (OH) listed as a control city. This alternated with a usual Indianapolis control city (which, for some reason, had a capital N in the middle of the word). At present, the signs at the closely-spaced OH-29 and US-42 interchanges did away with pull-through signs altogether, except for one at OH-29 telling of the upcoming US-42.
For a time up until the late 1980s or so, SB I-75 at I-70 had a low-profile BGS that listed the control cities as Springfield and Richmond (IN). NB I-75 had more complete Columbus/Indianapolis signage listed since the mid-1970s at the latest.
On I-75 near Findlay, by those huge (formerly GW) sugar mills, there used to be a curious pull-through sign reading "Toledo, Ottawa". While this is due to the short multiplex with OH-15, the name Ottawa is likely a bit confusing to those unfamiliar with the village to the east. (Is it the village of Ottawa Hills near Toledo? Or Canada's national capital?)
If you're ever wondering how to get a thread back on topic, just let it sit and fester for a month.
Quote from: A.J. Bertin on January 09, 2013, 01:28:33 PM
I don't buy into this argument. There are many occasions when you're an interstate
I cannot recall even a single occasion upon which I was an Interstate.
Quote from: kphoger on January 15, 2013, 05:03:56 PM
X is one of the most confusing letters in Mexican Spanish. To add to what has previously been brought up, I should point out that the letter X is also used interchangeably with the letter J in some cases (e.g., Xalapa/Jalapa, Ximénez/Jiménez). So, in Mexican Spanish, the letter X can be pronounced in the following ways:
as KS or GS - Example: exigente (demanding)
as S - Example: extraño (strange)
as SH - Example: Xoxtla (a town in Puebla)
as H - Example: México (hmmmm....)
I had a music teacher in junior high who would insist we pronounce Mexico as "meh - hee - co" if it came up in a song.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 20, 2013, 05:12:27 AM
I cannot recall even a single occasion upon which I was an Interstate.
we were intercounty that one time we stuck our arms over that fence.
Quote from: kphoger on January 16, 2013, 11:04:40 AM
In Medieval Spanish, the letter x was pronounced as SH, as it still is in Catalan, Portuguese, et al. It later morphed into a guttural H in Spanish (Ã la México), more or less equivalent to the modern pronunciation of j (hence the alternate spelling, Méjico). Most of the Mexican words and names in which the x is pronounced as SH are indigenous words; x was chosen to represent that sound in the development of those written languages, and some of those words have no pure Mexican equivalent (e.g. nixtamal). Interestingly, the x in the name Mexica–the primary Aztec people after which México is named–is pronounced as SH, which is different from its pronunciation in the name México.
quick question - how is "Edomex" (the abbreviation for the state of Mexico) pronounced? It seems a bit awkward to end on a "j" sound (English "h") so is it a hard "x", like "Pemex"?
AFAIK, everything ending in -mex pronounces that letter as a ks/gs sound. Like Pemex. The only exceptions I could imagine would be indian words, where the letter x actually represents the specific sound sh.
Quote from: wphiii on January 06, 2013, 09:17:17 PM...For example, coming in I-40 from the airport in Nashville, there comes a point where you can actually see the Nashville skyline, and are coming up to the I-24/I-40 split and the signs only have messages for places that are far away (https://maps.google.com/?ll=36.151976,-86.752719&spn=0.004778,0.007612&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=36.151976,-86.752719&panoid=Y0CBeroMoZK2nJEDW7SteA&cbp=12,294.27,,0,-5.63). No indication for what you should be doing to get to places that are actually in Nashville.
Well, because of the configuration of Nashville's freeway system, you
really need to know which lane goes where, especially on that particular stretch, where I-24 and I-40 essentially swap places with each other in a space of only three miles. Plus, "Nashville," downtown or otherwise, can be accessed by either I-24 or I-40, and IMO there's no sense implying that one is better than the other.
EDIT: What really annoys me is that these signs (and many others in Nashville) having the distance to the split on both the exit sign and the pullthrough, as if there's not enough information to digest already.
In my attempt to stick to the original topic, I'll state that I believe that I-35 going north from Des Moines goes back and forth between Minneapolis and St. Paul, and there may even be a Twin Cities thrown in there as well. I seem to recall as a kid that US 169 going north from Mankato would fluctuate between Minneapolis and Twin Cities. I also seem to recall westbound I-94 in Wisconsin fluctuating between St. Paul and Minneapolis as well. I don't know if anyone knows what to do about the Twin Cities.
Quote from: DandyDan on February 26, 2013, 08:18:28 AM
In my attempt to stick to the original topic, I'll state that I believe that I-35 going north from Des Moines goes back and forth between Minneapolis and St. Paul, and there may even be a Twin Cities thrown in there as well. I seem to recall as a kid that US 169 going north from Mankato would fluctuate between Minneapolis and Twin Cities. I also seem to recall westbound I-94 in Wisconsin fluctuating between St. Paul and Minneapolis as well. I don't know if anyone knows what to do about the Twin Cities.
Actually, as far as I-94 goes in Wisconsin, at least as of the last time I went through the Chippewa/St Croix Valley area abotu 2 years ago, all the overhead BGS signs said St Paul and did not mention Minneapolis at least as far west as the St Croix River. However, Minneapolis is mentioned a couple times I seem to recall on the mileage signs on that stretch. I'm sure one of the Wisconsin guys can verify what it is now.
I-271 South from I-90 to SR-8 around Cleveland likes to alternate between Akron and Columbus, and sometimes BOTH!.
That's because I-271 has an interchange with I-77 South (exit 10), which goes to Akron. So does OH 8, which is mostly freeway grade now.
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 12, 2013, 10:25:51 AM
I think two of the weirder ones in this respect are "February" and "Wednesday," neither of which I've ever heard said like they're spelled except by teachers trying to emphasize the spelling.
You must not have spoken to anyone from the UK or anyone that learned British English. I still remember the first time I heard a girl (who was from Jamaica) say Wed-nes-day and Feb-ru-ary - both in the same sentence! I had to seriously process for a second that she said both words the way they sounded. She also said schedule with a "sch" sound rather than a "sk" sound.
British people usually say schedule with an "sch." I will sometimes say it that way just to throw people off.
The Hampton Roads area has many different control cities on their pull-through signs, even on ones directing traffic out of the area. Of course, when an area has seven cities to choose from...