According to an engineer from the NJTA, mileage signs are currently being installed on the two highways operated by the Authority. On the NJ Turnpike, I think the best destinations would be, starting in the south, near the Delaware Memorial Bridge heading north:
Camden
Trenton
New Brunswick
Newark
George Washington Bridge
Then Turnpike southbound,
New Brunswick
Trenton
Camden
Wilmington, DE
The GSP already has a few signs posted.
What is the GSP going to use north of Newark going NB? Albany? Upstate New York? The Thruway?
Montvale? The last one is where the Parkway terminates, but its not a major place of interest.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 12, 2013, 04:47:24 PM
What is the GSP going to use north of Newark going NB? Albany? Upstate New York? The Thruway?
Montvale? The last one is where the Parkway terminates, but its not a major place of interest.
[/Quote from: roadman65 on May 12, 2013, 04:47:24 PM
What is the GSP going to use north of Newark going NB? Albany? Upstate New York? The Thruway?
Montvale? The last one is where the Parkway terminates, but its not a major place of interest.
Montreal?
In these circumstances is it practice to use the milage to the exit or the actual town itself? IE the NJTP exit for Camden would be closer than the City of Camden
Possible suggestions:
"Spring Valley, NY"
"NYS Thruway Connection"
Interstates 87 and 287 shields
Quote from: xcellntbuy on May 12, 2013, 06:42:00 PM
Possible suggestions:
"Spring Valley, NY"
"NYS Thruway Connection"
Interstates 87 and 287 shields
My educated guess would be "N Y Line" or "State Border".
Quote from: upstatenyroads on May 12, 2013, 08:07:54 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on May 12, 2013, 06:42:00 PM
Possible suggestions:
"Spring Valley, NY"
"NYS Thruway Connection"
Interstates 87 and 287 shields
My educated guess would be "N Y Line" or "State Border".
They might just go with Albany, even though you'd have to switch to the Thruway to get there. That's what they do with the Taconic Parkway in New York--the control city is Albany.
Albany would be the best as many tourists from Quebec visit Cape May and other Jersey Shore Points.
Clifton? Paterson?
Beyond that the obvious choices are Paramus and the Thruway. Once people reach the Thruway I would guess more go South/East than to Albany, but either way, that's the Thruway's problem.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on May 13, 2013, 12:03:40 AM
Clifton? Paterson?
Beyond that the obvious choices are Paramus and the Thruway. Once people reach the Thruway I would guess more go South/East than to Albany, but either way, that's the Thruway's problem.
I could see how you could take the Garden State Parkway up to the Thruway and then go east if you're travelling to New England and want to bypass New York City. Why would you head south on the Thruway? Wouldn't it generally be more direct to just take the George Washington Bridge instead?
Would they post anything?
My guess would be a sign showing the mileage to Paramus, then the Thruway, and then probably nothing. And even those two locations are a stretch.
Depending where they post the signs, they're probably thinking of in-state locations, and aren't going to care about out of state cities/destinations.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 13, 2013, 08:33:54 AM
Would they post anything?
My guess would be a sign showing the mileage to Paramus, then the Thruway, and then probably nothing. And even those two locations are a stretch.
Depending where they post the signs, they're probably thinking of in-state locations, and aren't going to care about out of state cities/destinations.
Probably they would not, and it does surprise me that would be. I am assuming that, if they are, they were forced to do so.
I would have to say Montvale after Paramus, as I believe in them using in state destinations if they were to use any. With this stated I would not even see New York used, but Newark more so between the two.
Quote from: dgolub on May 13, 2013, 08:31:43 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on May 13, 2013, 12:03:40 AM
Clifton? Paterson?
Beyond that the obvious choices are Paramus and the Thruway. Once people reach the Thruway I would guess more go South/East than to Albany, but either way, that's the Thruway's problem.
I could see how you could take the Garden State Parkway up to the Thruway and then go east if you're travelling to New England and want to bypass New York City. Why would you head south on the Thruway? Wouldn't it generally be more direct to just take the George Washington Bridge instead?
You wouldn't. Quite a lot of people take 87 South/287 East to the Tappan Zee, though, which is what I was referring to.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 13, 2013, 08:43:13 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 13, 2013, 08:33:54 AM
Would they post anything?
My guess would be a sign showing the mileage to Paramus, then the Thruway, and then probably nothing. And even those two locations are a stretch.
Depending where they post the signs, they're probably thinking of in-state locations, and aren't going to care about out of state cities/destinations.
Probably they would not, and it does surprise me that would be. I am assuming that, if they are, they were forced to do so.
I would have to say Montvale after Paramus, as I believe in them using in state destinations if they were to use any. With this stated I would not even see New York used, but Newark more so between the two.
I may have misread something here that they were intending to do so. In any case, the precedent that immediately comes to mind for labeling the Thruway is the Mass Pike, which either is now or has been in the past a destination on 84 West in Connecticut.
▼▼Here's a fairly new NB GSP mileage distance sign right at Exit 168:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgoo.gl%2F5jh9G&hash=28669c695751b88c780a8aaba7dd3e0286dfbb13)
I-87 I-287 - 7 Miles
Albany - 130 Miles
Quote from: J Route Z on May 12, 2013, 03:30:52 PM
On the NJ Turnpike, I think the best destinations would be, starting in the south, near the Delaware Memorial Bridge heading north:
Camden
Trenton
New Brunswick
Newark
George Washington Bridge
Then Turnpike southbound,
New Brunswick
Trenton
Camden
Wilmington, DE
Since when is Trenton anywhere near the Turnpike?
Quote from: civilmaher on May 13, 2013, 09:45:34 AM
▼▼Here's a fairly new NB GSP mileage distance sign right at Exit 168:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgoo.gl%2F5jh9G&hash=28669c695751b88c780a8aaba7dd3e0286dfbb13)
I-87 I-287 - 7 Miles
Albany - 130 Miles
Oh, fine, use real-life examples. Takes the fun out of it. :-P
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 13, 2013, 10:21:14 AM
Quote from: civilmaher on May 13, 2013, 09:45:34 AM
▼▼Here's a fairly new NB GSP mileage distance sign right at Exit 168:
Oh, fine, use real-life examples. Takes the fun out of it. :-P
Why speculate when it's already been done? :D
Ha! I've seen that sign a dozen times and forgot about it. Looks like everybody wins.
I do not want to over quote, but its in response to the previous photo and comment followups. Great sign and yes everybody wins! As far as the fun goes, yes now we live in times where almost everything now is at our fingertips literally. Anyway, in the good old days we used to learn from discussion in trying to figure things out, and now we have access to everything. Ironic isn't it? Progress now gives us other challenges instead.
Quote from: bzakharin on May 13, 2013, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: J Route Z on May 12, 2013, 03:30:52 PM
On the NJ Turnpike, I think the best destinations would be, starting in the south, near the Delaware Memorial Bridge heading north:
Camden
Trenton
New Brunswick
Newark
George Washington Bridge
Then Turnpike southbound,
New Brunswick
Trenton
Camden
Wilmington, DE
Since when is Trenton anywhere near the Turnpike?
It's a few miles away from the turnpike via I-195 and NJ 29.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 13, 2013, 08:43:13 AM
I would have to say Montvale after Paramus, as I believe in them using in state destinations if they were to use any. With this stated I would not even see New York used, but Newark more so between the two.
On I-287 they use Mahwah, which is the last town in New Jersey that the highway passes through, so using Montvale for the parkway would probably be consistent with that.
By the way, from someone who knows the answer, yes, Albany will show up on all* guide signs north of Paterson, not just that one distance sign.
* Wherever the destination is posted, that is
EDIT: You may want to see the Standard Drawing: http://www.state.nj.us/turnpike/documents/SD-NJTA-SL18.pdf
I posted the control cities in the NJTPA goes MUTCD thread. Weird seeing a destination mileage sign on the GSP, and its got the correct font, not NJDOT's tiny uppercase job (since replaced with mixed case signs on new installs). The ramp sign for CR-502 looks like what NJDOT usually uses at junctions.
Quote from: dgolub on May 13, 2013, 07:01:30 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on May 13, 2013, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: J Route Z on May 12, 2013, 03:30:52 PM
On the NJ Turnpike, I think the best destinations would be, starting in the south, near the Delaware Memorial Bridge heading north:
Camden
Trenton
New Brunswick
Newark
George Washington Bridge
Then Turnpike southbound,
New Brunswick
Trenton
Camden
Wilmington, DE
Since when is Trenton anywhere near the Turnpike?
It's a few miles away from the turnpike via I-195 and NJ 29.
Camden is much further away from the Turnpike than Trenton and there is no direct route from the Turnpike to Camden. Surely they could think of a better control city.
Quote from: Roadgeek999 on May 14, 2013, 05:18:29 PM
Quote from: dgolub on May 13, 2013, 07:01:30 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on May 13, 2013, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: J Route Z on May 12, 2013, 03:30:52 PM
On the NJ Turnpike, I think the best destinations would be, starting in the south, near the Delaware Memorial Bridge heading north:
Camden
Trenton
New Brunswick
Newark
George Washington Bridge
Then Turnpike southbound,
New Brunswick
Trenton
Camden
Wilmington, DE
Since when is Trenton anywhere near the Turnpike?
It's a few miles away from the turnpike via I-195 and NJ 29.
Camden is much further away from the Turnpike than Trenton and there is no direct route from the Turnpike to Camden. Surely they could think of a better control city.
Interchange 3 - NJ 168 goes directly into Camden.
Quote from: civilmaher on May 13, 2013, 01:40:30 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 13, 2013, 10:21:14 AM
Quote from: civilmaher on May 13, 2013, 09:45:34 AM
▼▼Here's a fairly new NB GSP mileage distance sign right at Exit 168:
Oh, fine, use real-life examples. Takes the fun out of it. :-P
Why speculate when it's already been done? :D
I like the I-87/I-287, although I think they should have included a NYS Thruway shield as well.
What about NJTP authority putting Mileage Signs for the Hudson County Extension perhaps they will say Newark 12, Watchung 23 and Phillipsburg 67 or Clinton 53. Also NJ Turnpike should use Woodbridge 6 Newark 23, JCT I-80/US-46 34 if coming from New Brunswick (Exit 9)
What about Altoona 287.
Turnpike and Parkway are not going to use distance signs on the mainline in the near future.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 15, 2013, 09:27:38 AM
Quote from: Roadgeek999 on May 14, 2013, 05:18:29 PM
Quote from: dgolub on May 13, 2013, 07:01:30 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on May 13, 2013, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: J Route Z on May 12, 2013, 03:30:52 PM
On the NJ Turnpike, I think the best destinations would be, starting in the south, near the Delaware Memorial Bridge heading north:
Camden
Trenton
New Brunswick
Newark
George Washington Bridge
Then Turnpike southbound,
New Brunswick
Trenton
Camden
Wilmington, DE
Since when is Trenton anywhere near the Turnpike?
It's a few miles away from the turnpike via I-195 and NJ 29.
Camden is much further away from the Turnpike than Trenton and there is no direct route from the Turnpike to Camden. Surely they could think of a better control city.
Interchange 3 - NJ 168 goes directly into Camden.
You're right. I was thinking of the fact that there isn't a direct route to Philly and you have to take surface streets from Exit 4, NJ 73.
All you have to do to get to Camden-Philly is hop over to I-295. One light, I think, on NJ 73, and none at all at the Del Mem Br. Eliminating that light on NJ 73 would be much cheaper than building an interchange with the Turnpike.
I assume you mean the intersection with Fellowship Road, jughandle and all, in Mount Laurel? I'd love to see how the traffic would flow there with no light! :meh:
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on May 23, 2013, 12:40:56 AM
I assume you mean the intersection with Fellowship Road, jughandle and all, in Mount Laurel? I'd love to see how the traffic would flow there with no light! :meh:
I've thought about it either. There's a hotel on the NE corner, a Lukoil gas station on the NW corner, the jughandle from 73 South to Fellowship in the SE corner, and a Bob Evens and an empty lot which will become part of a shopping center in the SW corner. The ramps for the NJ Turnpike are within 500' of the intersection; the ramps for 295 are within 1000'. Without taking property, buildings, and maybe a complete redesign of the ramp system, it's almost impossible to grade-separate 73 & Fellowship.
The final result would be a very expensive project.
Quote from: Steve on May 19, 2013, 01:36:53 PM
Turnpike and Parkway are not going to use distance signs on the mainline in the near future.
The Parkway lately hasused VMS to post miles/minutes according to current conditions.
Quote from: Steve on May 19, 2013, 01:36:53 PM
Turnpike and Parkway are not going to use distance signs on the mainline in the near future.
Than where did the fairly brand new sign at Exit 168 pictured in this thread come from?
Quote from: Steve on May 19, 2013, 01:36:53 PM
Turnpike and Parkway are not going to use distance signs on the mainline in the near future.
Here's one on the NJ Turnpike:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi225.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fdd144%2Froadnut%2FTimeSign.jpg&hash=a07bce32f837bb62c5f62fd4d7af1dd68c8f50ce) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/roadnut/media/TimeSign.jpg.html)
(Note: That is rain on the windshield. And I was a passenger when I took the pic)
Traffic was only moving at an average of 62.7 mph on the Jersey Turnpike? I guess they don't want to advertise the actual time it takes to get there so they don't officially announce that everyone speeds on there. :)
I had read a report involving the I-95 corridor (which includes the length of the NJ Turnpike) where those time travel signs will max out the time calculation at 65 mph...even in states where I-95 is 70 mph. Figure that the Delaware Memorial bridge is slightly south of the end of the Turnpike, add in a minor fudge factor, and what you see is what you get. I've never see a time better on that sign than the 45 minutes; 47 miles shown.
Your personal results may differ. :D
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 23, 2013, 10:36:59 AM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on May 23, 2013, 12:40:56 AM
I assume you mean the intersection with Fellowship Road, jughandle and all, in Mount Laurel? I'd love to see how the traffic would flow there with no light! :meh:
I've thought about it either. There's a hotel on the NE corner, a Lukoil gas station on the NW corner, the jughandle from 73 South to Fellowship in the SE corner, and a Bob Evens and an empty lot which will become part of a shopping center in the SW corner. The ramps for the NJ Turnpike are within 500' of the intersection; the ramps for 295 are within 1000'. Without taking property, buildings, and maybe a complete redesign of the ramp system, it's almost impossible to grade-separate 73 & Fellowship.
The final result would be a very expensive project.
I've drawn it up. It's actually not nearly as damaging as you'd think.
Quote from: Mr. Matté on June 04, 2013, 12:21:59 PM
Traffic was only moving at an average of 62.7 mph on the Jersey Turnpike? I guess they don't want to advertise the actual time it takes to get there so they don't officially announce that everyone speeds on there. :)
Similar in Washington. There's a VMS just before a mileage sign that reads "Lynnwood 12, Seattle 26". The drive times on the VMS are never any shorter than "Lynnwood 11 MIN, Seattle 26 MIN", even though I'd put the average speed for those rare occasions of light traffic around 70. (The speed limit is 60 mph. I'm not sure what accounts for the difference for Lynnwood.)