Mileage sign destinations for NJ Turnpike and Garden State Parkway

Started by J Route Z, May 12, 2013, 03:30:52 PM

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J Route Z

According to an engineer from the NJTA, mileage signs are currently being installed on the two highways operated by the Authority. On the NJ Turnpike, I think the best destinations would be, starting in the south, near the Delaware Memorial Bridge heading north:

Camden
Trenton
New Brunswick
Newark
George Washington Bridge

Then Turnpike southbound,

New Brunswick
Trenton
Camden
Wilmington, DE

The GSP already has a few signs posted.   



roadman65

What is the GSP going to use north of Newark going NB?  Albany?  Upstate New York?  The Thruway? 
Montvale?  The last one is where the Parkway terminates, but its not a major place of interest.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

mc78andrew

Quote from: roadman65 on May 12, 2013, 04:47:24 PM
What is the GSP going to use north of Newark going NB?  Albany?  Upstate New York?  The Thruway? 
Montvale?  The last one is where the Parkway terminates, but its not a major place of interest.
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Quote from: roadman65 on May 12, 2013, 04:47:24 PM
What is the GSP going to use north of Newark going NB?  Albany?  Upstate New York?  The Thruway? 
Montvale?  The last one is where the Parkway terminates, but its not a major place of interest.

Montreal?

ARMOURERERIC

In these circumstances is it practice to use the milage to the exit or the actual town itself?  IE the NJTP exit for Camden would be closer than the City of Camden

xcellntbuy

Possible suggestions:

"Spring Valley, NY"
"NYS Thruway Connection"
Interstates 87 and 287 shields

machias

Quote from: xcellntbuy on May 12, 2013, 06:42:00 PM
Possible suggestions:

"Spring Valley, NY"
"NYS Thruway Connection"
Interstates 87 and 287 shields

My educated guess would be "N Y Line" or "State Border".

dgolub

Quote from: upstatenyroads on May 12, 2013, 08:07:54 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on May 12, 2013, 06:42:00 PM
Possible suggestions:

"Spring Valley, NY"
"NYS Thruway Connection"
Interstates 87 and 287 shields

My educated guess would be "N Y Line" or "State Border".

They might just go with Albany, even though you'd have to switch to the Thruway to get there.  That's what they do with the Taconic Parkway in New York--the control city is Albany.

roadman65

Albany would be the best as many tourists from Quebec visit Cape May and other Jersey Shore Points.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

Pete from Boston

Clifton? Paterson?

Beyond that the obvious choices are Paramus and the Thruway.  Once people reach the Thruway I would guess more go South/East than to Albany, but either way, that's the Thruway's problem.

dgolub

Quote from: Pete from Boston on May 13, 2013, 12:03:40 AM
Clifton? Paterson?

Beyond that the obvious choices are Paramus and the Thruway.  Once people reach the Thruway I would guess more go South/East than to Albany, but either way, that's the Thruway's problem.

I could see how you could take the Garden State Parkway up to the Thruway and then go east if you're travelling to New England and want to bypass New York City.  Why would you head south on the Thruway?  Wouldn't it generally be more direct to just take the George Washington Bridge instead?

jeffandnicole

Would they post anything?

My guess would be a sign showing the mileage to Paramus, then the Thruway, and then probably nothing.  And even those two locations are a stretch.

Depending where they post the signs, they're probably thinking of in-state locations, and aren't going to care about out of state cities/destinations. 

roadman65

Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 13, 2013, 08:33:54 AM
Would they post anything?

My guess would be a sign showing the mileage to Paramus, then the Thruway, and then probably nothing.  And even those two locations are a stretch.

Depending where they post the signs, they're probably thinking of in-state locations, and aren't going to care about out of state cities/destinations. 

Probably they would not, and it does surprise me that would be.  I am assuming that, if they are, they were forced to do so.

I would have to say Montvale after Paramus, as I believe in them using in state destinations if they were to use any.  With this stated I would not even see New York used, but Newark more so between the two. 
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

Pete from Boston

Quote from: dgolub on May 13, 2013, 08:31:43 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on May 13, 2013, 12:03:40 AM
Clifton? Paterson?

Beyond that the obvious choices are Paramus and the Thruway.  Once people reach the Thruway I would guess more go South/East than to Albany, but either way, that's the Thruway's problem.

I could see how you could take the Garden State Parkway up to the Thruway and then go east if you're travelling to New England and want to bypass New York City.  Why would you head south on the Thruway?  Wouldn't it generally be more direct to just take the George Washington Bridge instead?

You wouldn't.  Quite a lot of people take 87 South/287 East to the Tappan Zee, though, which is what I was referring to.

Pete from Boston

Quote from: roadman65 on May 13, 2013, 08:43:13 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 13, 2013, 08:33:54 AM
Would they post anything?

My guess would be a sign showing the mileage to Paramus, then the Thruway, and then probably nothing.  And even those two locations are a stretch.

Depending where they post the signs, they're probably thinking of in-state locations, and aren't going to care about out of state cities/destinations. 

Probably they would not, and it does surprise me that would be.  I am assuming that, if they are, they were forced to do so.

I would have to say Montvale after Paramus, as I believe in them using in state destinations if they were to use any.  With this stated I would not even see New York used, but Newark more so between the two.

I may have misread something here that they were intending to do so.  In any case, the precedent that immediately comes to mind for labeling the Thruway is the Mass Pike, which either is now or has been in the past a destination on 84 West in Connecticut. 

civilmaher

▼▼Here's a fairly new NB GSP mileage distance sign right at Exit 168:



I-87 I-287 - 7 Miles
Albany - 130 Miles
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bzakharin

Quote from: J Route Z on May 12, 2013, 03:30:52 PM
On the NJ Turnpike, I think the best destinations would be, starting in the south, near the Delaware Memorial Bridge heading north:
Camden
Trenton
New Brunswick
Newark
George Washington Bridge

Then Turnpike southbound,

New Brunswick
Trenton
Camden
Wilmington, DE

Since when is Trenton anywhere near the Turnpike?

jeffandnicole

Quote from: civilmaher on May 13, 2013, 09:45:34 AM
▼▼Here's a fairly new NB GSP mileage distance sign right at Exit 168:



I-87 I-287 - 7 Miles
Albany - 130 Miles

Oh, fine, use real-life examples.  Takes the fun out of it. :-P

civilmaher

Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 13, 2013, 10:21:14 AM
Quote from: civilmaher on May 13, 2013, 09:45:34 AM
▼▼Here's a fairly new NB GSP mileage distance sign right at Exit 168:

Oh, fine, use real-life examples.  Takes the fun out of it. :-P

Why speculate when it's already been done? :D
Opinions represent mine and no other organization that I am associated with.

Pete from Boston

Ha!  I've seen that sign a dozen times and forgot about it.  Looks like everybody wins.

roadman65

I do not want to over quote, but its in response to the previous photo and comment followups.  Great sign and yes everybody wins!  As far as the fun goes, yes now we live in times where almost everything now is at our fingertips literally.  Anyway, in the good old days we used to learn from discussion in trying to figure things out, and now we have access to everything.  Ironic isn't it?  Progress now gives us other challenges instead.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

dgolub

Quote from: bzakharin on May 13, 2013, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: J Route Z on May 12, 2013, 03:30:52 PM
On the NJ Turnpike, I think the best destinations would be, starting in the south, near the Delaware Memorial Bridge heading north:
Camden
Trenton
New Brunswick
Newark
George Washington Bridge

Then Turnpike southbound,

New Brunswick
Trenton
Camden
Wilmington, DE

Since when is Trenton anywhere near the Turnpike?

It's a few miles away from the turnpike via I-195 and NJ 29.

dgolub

Quote from: roadman65 on May 13, 2013, 08:43:13 AM
I would have to say Montvale after Paramus, as I believe in them using in state destinations if they were to use any.  With this stated I would not even see New York used, but Newark more so between the two.

On I-287 they use Mahwah, which is the last town in New Jersey that the highway passes through, so using Montvale for the parkway would probably be consistent with that.

Alps

By the way, from someone who knows the answer, yes, Albany will show up on all* guide signs north of Paterson, not just that one distance sign.

* Wherever the destination is posted, that is

EDIT: You may want to see the Standard Drawing: http://www.state.nj.us/turnpike/documents/SD-NJTA-SL18.pdf

NJRoadfan

I posted the control cities in the NJTPA goes MUTCD thread. Weird seeing a destination mileage sign on the GSP, and its got the correct font, not NJDOT's tiny uppercase job (since replaced with mixed case signs on new installs). The ramp sign for CR-502 looks like what NJDOT usually uses at junctions.

Roadgeek999

Quote from: dgolub on May 13, 2013, 07:01:30 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on May 13, 2013, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: J Route Z on May 12, 2013, 03:30:52 PM
On the NJ Turnpike, I think the best destinations would be, starting in the south, near the Delaware Memorial Bridge heading north:
Camden
Trenton
New Brunswick
Newark
George Washington Bridge

Then Turnpike southbound,

New Brunswick
Trenton
Camden
Wilmington, DE

Since when is Trenton anywhere near the Turnpike?

It's a few miles away from the turnpike via I-195 and NJ 29.
Camden is much further away from the Turnpike than Trenton and there is no direct route from the Turnpike to Camden.  Surely they could think of a better control city.



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