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Title: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: ilvny on June 27, 2013, 07:37:04 PM
Someone I know claims that US 9 in New Jersey was once Interstate 9.  I'm not sure that's he's right.  I researched Route 9 online and did not find anything that indicated it was an Interstate.  Since most of it is only two lanes and I couldn't find any evidence that it was an interstate, I believe that he is incorrect.  There is one curious thing. 

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2426%2F3992917541_a5de2f8394_z.jpg&hash=701eb749fb9b4157fbefdd6423b9dfa588b496d5)

This shield on this sign looks like it was meant for an interstate rather than a US highway.  I believe the wrong shield was used, but I don't know for sure.

Was US 9 an interstate or a proposed interstate or was it always US 9?  I believe it was always US 9.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 27, 2013, 07:43:09 PM
that's just a sign goof that should not be read into.

US-9 has always been US-9.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: ilvny on June 27, 2013, 08:19:04 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 27, 2013, 07:43:09 PM
that's just a sign goof that should not be read into.

US-9 has always been US-9.

I figured it was a goof.  In Philadelphia, the Cottman Avenue signs with the Route 73 shield have a US shield instead of the PA shield.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: NE2 on June 27, 2013, 09:51:04 PM
US 9 was once I-99, but Bud Shuster got the number removed.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: dgolub on June 28, 2013, 08:33:40 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 27, 2013, 07:43:09 PM
that's just a sign goof that should not be read into.

US-9 has always been US-9.

Right.  Not to mention that most of it isn't remotely close to meeting interstate standards.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 28, 2013, 08:46:44 AM
I-9 would be located around California, not NJ.

The closest US 9 gets to being an interstate highway is when it's co-signed with I-95 crossing the GWB.

The specific purpose of the GSP was to bypass US 9, which for nearly it's entire length goes thru business/commercial districts and communities.  On occasion, US 9 is co-signed with the GSP.  In the North part of the state, US 9 is co-signed with US 1.  But none of these areas are, or have ever been, an interstate highway.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: roadman65 on June 28, 2013, 09:19:40 AM
Welcome to the world of roads.  You will find many places where the wrong shields are used such as state for US, US for state, even US for county I have discovered.  When conversing with non road geeks, you will here many odd things as well.  That is all the fun in this community.  So sit back and just enjoy the ride.

Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: jwolfer on June 28, 2013, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: ilvny on June 27, 2013, 07:37:04 PM
Someone I know claims that US 9 in New Jersey was once Interstate 9.  I'm not sure that's he's right.  I researched Route 9 online and did not find anything that indicated it was an Interstate.  Since most of it is only two lanes and I couldn't find any evidence that it was an interstate, I believe that he is incorrect.  There is one curious thing. 

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2426%2F3992917541_a5de2f8394_z.jpg&hash=701eb749fb9b4157fbefdd6423b9dfa588b496d5)

This shield on this sign looks like it was meant for an interstate rather than a US highway.  I believe the wrong shield was used, but I don't know for sure.

Was US 9 an interstate or a proposed interstate or was it always US 9?  I believe it was always US 9.

It could be said the US 9 is and interstate highway.  But not an Interstate highway
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: Henry on June 28, 2013, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 28, 2013, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: ilvny on June 27, 2013, 07:37:04 PM
Someone I know claims that US 9 in New Jersey was once Interstate 9.  I'm not sure that's he's right.  I researched Route 9 online and did not find anything that indicated it was an Interstate.  Since most of it is only two lanes and I couldn't find any evidence that it was an interstate, I believe that he is incorrect.  There is one curious thing. 

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2426%2F3992917541_a5de2f8394_z.jpg&hash=701eb749fb9b4157fbefdd6423b9dfa588b496d5)

This shield on this sign looks like it was meant for an interstate rather than a US highway.  I believe the wrong shield was used, but I don't know for sure.

Was US 9 an interstate or a proposed interstate or was it always US 9?  I believe it was always US 9.

It could be said the US 9 is and interstate highway.  But not an Interstate highway
Agreed! And there's no need to remake it into such, with the Garden State Parkway parallelling it at said location.

BTW, I-9 has been tossed around as a potential update to the CA 99 corridor on the other side of the country, though some would prefer that it become I-7 instead.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: jwolfer on June 28, 2013, 11:11:18 AM
Quote from: Henry on June 28, 2013, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 28, 2013, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: ilvny on June 27, 2013, 07:37:04 PM
Someone I know claims that US 9 in New Jersey was once Interstate 9.  I'm not sure that's he's right.  I researched Route 9 online and did not find anything that indicated it was an Interstate.  Since most of it is only two lanes and I couldn't find any evidence that it was an interstate, I believe that he is incorrect.  There is one curious thing. 

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2426%2F3992917541_a5de2f8394_z.jpg&hash=701eb749fb9b4157fbefdd6423b9dfa588b496d5)

This shield on this sign looks like it was meant for an interstate rather than a US highway.  I believe the wrong shield was used, but I don't know for sure.

Was US 9 an interstate or a proposed interstate or was it always US 9?  I believe it was always US 9.

It could be said the US 9 is and interstate highway.  But not an Interstate highway
Agreed! And there's no need to remake it into such, with the Garden State Parkway parallelling it at said location.

BTW, I-9 has been tossed around as a potential update to the CA 99 corridor on the other side of the country, though some would prefer that it become I-7 instead.

US 9 could stand some widening in Monmouth and Ocean counties, especailly in Lakewood and Toms River.  If it were in Florida it would be 6 lanes through Middlesex, Monmouth and to the GSP in Toms River.  I think it could use at least 4 lanes from South Toms River to Route 72 in Manahawkin, with some 6 lanes around South Toms River and Beachwood...  But this would be in fictional highways, because its never happening with NJDOT saying that walking should be encourged in lieu of widening in Lakewood and Toms River not the mention the Pinelands
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: vdeane on June 28, 2013, 10:27:34 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 28, 2013, 10:31:23 AM
It could be said the US 9 is and interstate highway.  But not an Interstate highway
I did not know that US 9 entered Alanland.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: SteveG1988 on July 03, 2013, 08:38:49 AM
Quote from: vdeane on June 28, 2013, 10:27:34 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 28, 2013, 10:31:23 AM
It could be said the US 9 is and interstate highway.  But not an Interstate highway
I did not know that US 9 entered Alanland.

US9 was annexed in the great war of 2074
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 03, 2013, 09:16:19 AM
If you've lived in New Jersey, you'd know that what defines it is being between other places.  In keeping with that theme, it has a whole system of in-between routes that straddle caregories, like Interstate US 9.  NJ Route 27, for example, is not a NJ state route at all but rather a joint part of the New York and Pennsylvania systems.  Bergen County 503 is both an eight-lane tolled facility and bank drive-thru lane. 
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: Alps on July 03, 2013, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 03, 2013, 09:16:19 AM
If you've lived in New Jersey, you'd know that what defines it is being between other places.  In keeping with that theme, it has a whole system of in-between routes that straddle caregories, like Interstate US 9.  NJ Route 27, for example, is not a NJ state route at all but rather a joint part of the New York and Pennsylvania systems.  Bergen County 503 is both an eight-lane tolled facility and bank drive-thru lane. 
US NJ 122
US NJ 173
NJ US 1, 9, 9W, 22, 30, 40, 46, 202, 206 - I've found all but 322
PA NJ 183
NJ I-80
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 03, 2013, 09:05:37 PM
Quote from: Steve on July 03, 2013, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 03, 2013, 09:16:19 AM
If you've lived in New Jersey, you'd know that what defines it is being between other places.  In keeping with that theme, it has a whole system of in-between routes that straddle caregories, like Interstate US 9.  NJ Route 27, for example, is not a NJ state route at all but rather a joint part of the New York and Pennsylvania systems.  Bergen County 503 is both an eight-lane tolled facility and bank drive-thru lane. 
US NJ 122
US NJ 173
NJ US 1, 9, 9W, 22, 30, 40, 46, 202, 206 - I've found all but 322
PA NJ 183
NJ I-80

And clearly, you're familiar with MA NJ 2:

http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/ma_2/e.html
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: Alps on July 03, 2013, 10:01:25 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 03, 2013, 09:05:37 PM
Quote from: Steve on July 03, 2013, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 03, 2013, 09:16:19 AM
If you've lived in New Jersey, you'd know that what defines it is being between other places.  In keeping with that theme, it has a whole system of in-between routes that straddle caregories, like Interstate US 9.  NJ Route 27, for example, is not a NJ state route at all but rather a joint part of the New York and Pennsylvania systems.  Bergen County 503 is both an eight-lane tolled facility and bank drive-thru lane. 
US NJ 122
US NJ 173
NJ US 1, 9, 9W, 22, 30, 40, 46, 202, 206 - I've found all but 322
PA NJ 183
NJ I-80

And clearly, you're familiar with MA NJ 2:

http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/ma_2/e.html
No, that's NJ MA 2, different state with its own issues.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: bugo on July 03, 2013, 10:06:55 PM
YHBT
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 04, 2013, 12:32:46 AM
There's a US NJ 42 in Deptford.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 04, 2013, 02:46:13 AM
Quote from: Steve on July 03, 2013, 10:01:25 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 03, 2013, 09:05:37 PM
Quote from: Steve on July 03, 2013, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 03, 2013, 09:16:19 AM
If you've lived in New Jersey, you'd know that what defines it is being between other places.  In keeping with that theme, it has a whole system of in-between routes that straddle caregories, like Interstate US 9.  NJ Route 27, for example, is not a NJ state route at all but rather a joint part of the New York and Pennsylvania systems.  Bergen County 503 is both an eight-lane tolled facility and bank drive-thru lane. 
US NJ 122
US NJ 173
NJ US 1, 9, 9W, 22, 30, 40, 46, 202, 206 - I've found all but 322
PA NJ 183
NJ I-80

And clearly, you're familiar with MA NJ 2:

http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/ma_2/e.html
No, that's NJ MA 2, different state with its own issues.

I hardly think MA US 202 or MA US 20 count as "issues."  They're lifestyle choices.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: vdeane on July 04, 2013, 08:43:08 AM
So do we classify a route as how it was classified at creation or how it self-identifies?  And when the routes transition, do they need a therapist?
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: kphoger on July 04, 2013, 11:16:21 AM
Quote from: vdeane on July 04, 2013, 08:43:08 AM
And when the routes transition, do they need a therapist?

Yes, especially because the change was forced upon them.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: US71 on July 04, 2013, 12:44:43 PM
Quote from: ilvny on June 27, 2013, 07:37:04 PM

Was US 9 an interstate or a proposed interstate or was it always US 9?  I believe it was always US 9.

Well, on a technicality, it is an interstate highway since it crosses state lines, but it's not an Interstate in the sense of I-90  ;)  :hmm:
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: roadman65 on July 30, 2013, 08:41:57 AM
Quote from: US71 on July 04, 2013, 12:44:43 PM
Quote from: ilvny on June 27, 2013, 07:37:04 PM

Was US 9 an interstate or a proposed interstate or was it always US 9?  I believe it was always US 9.

Well, on a technicality, it is an interstate highway since it crosses state lines, but it's not an Interstate in the sense of I-90  ;)  :hmm:
Does it cross state lines or state line?  Remember the road physically does not cross the NJ- DE Border as it ends on both shores of the mighty Delaware Bay with a ferry service crossing the actual boundary.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 30, 2013, 08:54:18 AM
The routing crosses state lines.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: roadman65 on July 30, 2013, 09:43:08 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 30, 2013, 08:54:18 AM
The routing crosses state lines.
Both Yes and No!  Depending how you look at it.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: Jim on July 30, 2013, 11:22:21 AM
Is there some legal technicality that says US 9 does not cross between NY and NJ on the GWB?
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: akotchi on July 30, 2013, 01:19:21 PM
Quote from: Steve on July 03, 2013, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 03, 2013, 09:16:19 AM
If you've lived in New Jersey, you'd know that what defines it is being between other places.  In keeping with that theme, it has a whole system of in-between routes that straddle caregories, like Interstate US 9.  NJ Route 27, for example, is not a NJ state route at all but rather a joint part of the New York and Pennsylvania systems.  Bergen County 503 is both an eight-lane tolled facility and bank drive-thru lane. 
US NJ 122
US NJ 173
NJ US 1, 9, 9W, 22, 30, 40, 46, 202, 206 - I've found all but 322
PA NJ 183
NJ I-80

Don't forget US NJ 140.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: Kacie Jane on July 30, 2013, 03:19:43 PM
Quote from: Jim on July 30, 2013, 11:22:21 AM
Is there some legal technicality that says US 9 does not cross between NY and NJ on the GWB?


Methinks roadman merely forgot there was another state line in play as well. (Although, personally I think it's a silly distinction to make if you're going to say it doesn't cross the Delaware line because the ferry isn't technically part of the route.  Also, why wouldn't the ferry be considered part of the route?)
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: NJRoadfan on July 30, 2013, 03:51:54 PM
Don't forget US NJ-495 either. Spotted that one the other day.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 30, 2013, 04:43:20 PM
Quote from: Jim on July 30, 2013, 11:22:21 AM
Is there some legal technicality that says US 9 does not cross between NY and NJ on the GWB?

Sort of.  US 1 and I-95 cross on the roadway, while 9 travels up the bridge cables and over the towers.  So it's there, but you can't really drive it.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 30, 2013, 04:59:47 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on July 30, 2013, 03:51:54 PM
Don't forget US NJ-495 either. Spotted that one the other day.

wrong.  you're just bringing in Alanland shit into this thread.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: roadman65 on July 30, 2013, 05:37:52 PM
Be serious now.  I did not say that US 9 did not go between the states completely.  I only merely pointed out that it does not by way of pavement and just like one post said the US 9 is an interstate even though its not, the same point I was trying to make.

It is a three state route, and whether it crosses the border or not on a road or suggestively: who cares?  It is like there are two ways  to say tomato, do we go around correcting people when they say it differently than what we say individually?  I think not!
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 30, 2013, 05:43:06 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 30, 2013, 05:37:52 PM
whether it crosses the border or not on a road or suggestively: who cares? 

before I decide whether or not I care, I would like a visual demonstration of the "suggestively" alternative.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: Kacie Jane on July 30, 2013, 05:45:33 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 30, 2013, 05:37:52 PM
Be serious now.  I did not say that US 9 did not go between the states completely.  I only merely pointed out that it does not by way of pavement and just like one post said the US 9 is an interstate even though its not, the same point I was trying to make.

But it does into New York.  So even if you're trying to say it doesn't cross into Delaware, it would still be interstate.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: Alps on July 30, 2013, 07:41:28 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on July 30, 2013, 03:51:54 PM
Don't forget US NJ-495 either. Spotted that one the other day.
Whereeeeeeee
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: NJRoadfan on July 30, 2013, 07:51:57 PM
Quote from: Steve on July 30, 2013, 07:41:28 PM
Whereeeeeeee

http://goo.gl/maps/1zD9n
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: Zeffy on July 30, 2013, 08:01:17 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on July 30, 2013, 07:51:57 PM
Quote from: Steve on July 30, 2013, 07:41:28 PM
Whereeeeeeee

http://goo.gl/maps/1zD9n

That entire assembly is ugly. That font reminds me of Calibri.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 30, 2013, 08:07:00 PM
Quote from: akotchi on July 30, 2013, 01:19:21 PM

Don't forget US NJ 140.

US NJ 30

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/NJ/NJ19800301i1.jpg)

re: the 495.  holy puke.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: Kacie Jane on July 30, 2013, 08:55:05 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 30, 2013, 08:07:00 PM
Quote from: akotchi on July 30, 2013, 01:19:21 PM

Don't forget US NJ 140.

US NJ 30

No no, that's NJ US 30, already accounted for in Steve's first post.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 30, 2013, 09:35:57 PM
DE NJ US 40

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/NJ/NJ19550401i1.jpg)
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: Alps on August 01, 2013, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on July 30, 2013, 07:51:57 PM
Quote from: Steve on July 30, 2013, 07:41:28 PM
Whereeeeeeee

http://goo.gl/maps/1zD9n
And you'd think I'd have noticed that by now. It's entirely possible I did, and took a photo, and completely forgot.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: akotchi on August 07, 2013, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: Steve on August 01, 2013, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on July 30, 2013, 07:51:57 PM
Quote from: Steve on July 30, 2013, 07:41:28 PM
Whereeeeeeee

http://goo.gl/maps/1zD9n
And you'd think I'd have noticed that by now. It's entirely possible I did, and took a photo, and completely forgot.
I was just up there this morning -- the assembly is no longer there.  Though the street image linked was dated January 2013, so this must have come down recently.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: hotdogPi on August 10, 2013, 11:26:46 AM
MA 62 has a few strange things:

First, it's 80 miles long (very long for Massachusetts) and still not that important.

However:

It's an east-west route, but if you get off MA 128 at exit 22 in Danvers, you will see either "north" or "south", depending on which direction you go on 62.

On MA 114 West, MA 62 looks like NJ 62 for one of the signs.

There is also a broken sign that just has a direction on it, I believe "East". The 62 somehow isn't there.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: PHLBOS on August 12, 2013, 08:47:33 AM
Quote from: 1 on August 10, 2013, 11:26:46 AMIt's an east-west route, but if you get off MA 128 at exit 22 in Danvers, you will see either "north" or "south", depending on which direction you go on 62.
That interchange was recently re-configured and re-signed.  Those NORTH/SOUTH signs (are these on the LGS 'paddles' or trailblazer/reassurance signs?) are likely a design, fabricator or contractor mistake.

Quote from: 1 on August 10, 2013, 11:26:46 AMOn MA 114 West, MA 62 looks like NJ 62 for one of the signs.
If memory serves that sign along with the LGS' were installed sometime in the 1980s.  Chances are, in that situation, the designer chose the generic MUTCD state highway shield rather than the Mass square/rectangle or it was another contractor/fabricator error.

Quote from: 1 on August 10, 2013, 11:26:46 AMThere is also a broken sign that just has a direction on it, I believe "East". The 62 somehow isn't there.
Most likely a random act of theft/vandalism.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 27, 2013, 02:54:58 PM
Quote from: Steve on July 03, 2013, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 03, 2013, 09:16:19 AM
If you've lived in New Jersey, you'd know that what defines it is being between other places.  In keeping with that theme, it has a whole system of in-between routes that straddle caregories, like Interstate US 9.  NJ Route 27, for example, is not a NJ state route at all but rather a joint part of the New York and Pennsylvania systems.  Bergen County 503 is both an eight-lane tolled facility and bank drive-thru lane. 
US NJ 122
US NJ 173
NJ US 1, 9, 9W, 22, 30, 40, 46, 202, 206 - I've found all but 322
PA NJ 183
NJ I-80

Here's a County US 322:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi225.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fdd144%2Froadnut%2FCounty3221.jpg&hash=bb9f46d64cfceb96f3fd0548c770d718027cbe3e) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/roadnut/media/County3221.jpg.html)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi225.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fdd144%2Froadnut%2FCounty322.jpg&hash=b2903b0289c714acca00d7a47611e5d90d5801c4) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/roadnut/media/County322.jpg.html)

This is signage for a detour of the old US 322 in Mullica Hill, NJ. US 322 was bypassed, and the new routing was signed US 322 (probably never officially done properly though thru the feds).  The old road was never assigned any route number, as far as I know.  The road is now closed for a dam reconstruction project, so this appears to be the resulting signage.  It should be known that, with a few exceptions, county routes are only 5xx, 6xx & 7xx.  Definitely not 322. And I haven't seen County 322 signage on the actual route itself.

(Edited to fix knows to known)
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: Alps on September 27, 2013, 08:20:43 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 27, 2013, 02:54:58 PM
Quote from: Steve on July 03, 2013, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on July 03, 2013, 09:16:19 AM
If you've lived in New Jersey, you'd know that what defines it is being between other places.  In keeping with that theme, it has a whole system of in-between routes that straddle caregories, like Interstate US 9.  NJ Route 27, for example, is not a NJ state route at all but rather a joint part of the New York and Pennsylvania systems.  Bergen County 503 is both an eight-lane tolled facility and bank drive-thru lane. 
US NJ 122
US NJ 173
NJ US 1, 9, 9W, 22, 30, 40, 46, 202, 206 - I've found all but 322
PA NJ 183
NJ I-80

Here's a County US 322:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi225.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fdd144%2Froadnut%2FCounty3221.jpg&hash=bb9f46d64cfceb96f3fd0548c770d718027cbe3e) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/roadnut/media/County3221.jpg.html)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi225.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fdd144%2Froadnut%2FCounty322.jpg&hash=b2903b0289c714acca00d7a47611e5d90d5801c4) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/roadnut/media/County322.jpg.html)

This is signage for a detour of the old US 322 in Mullica Hill, NJ. US 322 was bypassed, and the new routing was signed US 322 (probably never officially done properly though thru the feds).  The old road was never assigned any route number, as far as I know.  The road is now closed for a dam reconstruction project, so this appears to be the resulting signage.  It should be knows that, with a few exceptions, county routes are only 5xx, 6xx & 7xx.  Definitely not 322. And I haven't seen County 322 signage on the actual route itself.


Ho.
Lee.
Crap.
I have NEVER seen a county/US mistake before. Congrats.
EDIT: Okay, I'm not sure WHAT this is. I highly doubt CR 322 is a thing.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: MrDisco99 on September 28, 2013, 02:37:25 PM
Maybe they were referring to the section between Croton and Peekskill, which, if I remember right, may have originally been built to be part of I-87, before it was signed on the Thruway instead.


EDIT: OK it was actually for a proposed I-487 which never happened...

http://www.nycroads.com/roads/croton/
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: NE2 on September 28, 2013, 02:46:15 PM
Quote from: MrDisco99 on September 28, 2013, 02:37:25 PM
Maybe they were referring to the section between Croton and Peekskill, which, if I remember right, may have originally been built to be part of I-87, before it was routed on the Thruway instead.
The Hudson River Expressway between I-287 and I-84 was in fact planned as I-87 until the early 1960s, when I-87 was moved east to current I-684 and the HRE was renumbered I-487. I-87 was moved to the Thruway south of I-84 in 1970.

This was of course in New Jersey per the original post.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: Mr. Matté on September 29, 2013, 01:20:13 AM
Switching back to CR 322, in a bizarre way, it is technically correct to call that road a county route; it is maintained by them per this (http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/about/press/2013/documents/Rt322GlouCoAgreement-4657.pdf) and this (http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/refdata/sldiag/00000322__-.pdf).
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: SteveG1988 on September 29, 2013, 06:19:02 AM
Quote from: Mr. Matté on September 29, 2013, 01:20:13 AM
Switching back to CR 322, in a bizarre way, it is technically correct to call that road a county route; it is maintained by them per this (http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/about/press/2013/documents/Rt322GlouCoAgreement-4657.pdf) and this (http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/refdata/sldiag/00000322__-.pdf).

I agree, that actually makes a lot of sense to label it as 322, if it wasn't right next to 322...Do it like the state labels old 322 for the ferry, increase the number by 2, CR 324
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 29, 2013, 11:48:39 AM
Except, again, there no CR 3xx route numbers in NJ.  After thinking about it - the actual county route designation is 536, which overlays 322 for the section from the Commodore Barry Bridge to the 42/322 intersection in Monroe Twp. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Route_536_(New_Jersey).  I'm guessing, but not certain, that CR 536 is still the old US 322 routing in Mullica Hill, and US 322 is the sole route number for the newer bypass.

I believe there were a few CR 536 signs beneath the US 322 signage at one point, but I can't think of any right now.  As I mentioned before, when the bypass was built, the county never put any signage on the old US 322 indicating the road's route number.

There are some other instances where a state/US route is maintained by the county.  NJ 347 is maintained by the county as well.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: SteveG1988 on September 29, 2013, 12:05:25 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 29, 2013, 11:48:39 AM
Except, again, there no CR 3xx route numbers in NJ.  After thinking about it - the actual county route designation is 536, which overlays 322 for the section from the Commodore Barry Bridge to the 42/322 intersection in Monroe Twp. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Route_536_(New_Jersey).  I'm guessing, but not certain, that CR 536 is still the old US 322 routing in Mullica Hill, and US 322 is the sole route number for the newer bypass.

I believe there were a few CR 536 signs beneath the US 322 signage at one point, but I can't think of any right now.  As I mentioned before, when the bypass was built, the county never put any signage on the old US 322 indicating the road's route number.

There are some other instances where a state/US route is maintained by the county.  NJ 347 is maintained by the county as well.

Contractor probably saw it as County route *no #* old 322
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: Alps on September 29, 2013, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 29, 2013, 11:48:39 AM
Except, again, there no CR 3xx route numbers in NJ.  After thinking about it - the actual county route designation is 536, which overlays 322 for the section from the Commodore Barry Bridge to the 42/322 intersection in Monroe Twp. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Route_536_(New_Jersey).  I'm guessing, but not certain, that CR 536 is still the old US 322 routing in Mullica Hill, and US 322 is the sole route number for the newer bypass.
I would guess 536 follows 322 entirely.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 29, 2013, 10:46:38 PM
East of where 322 meets 42, 322 and 536 go their separate ways.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: SteveG1988 on September 30, 2013, 04:26:05 PM
I wonder if the person who said US9 is an interstate considers the garden state parkway to be one, since there is a connector to the NY State Thruway
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: hubcity on September 30, 2013, 04:52:56 PM
Quote from: SteveG1988 on September 30, 2013, 04:26:05 PM
I wonder if the person who said US9 is an interstate considers the garden state parkway to be one, since there is a connector to the NY State Thruway

Sure it is!

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.exit109.com%2F%7Ehubcity%2Finterstate_new_jersey_101.png&hash=d3b0b64debe0bc2caea30bafeb7237cdc86104be)

:)
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: SteveG1988 on September 30, 2013, 06:16:46 PM
Quote from: hubcity on September 30, 2013, 04:52:56 PM
Quote from: SteveG1988 on September 30, 2013, 04:26:05 PM
I wonder if the person who said US9 is an interstate considers the garden state parkway to be one, since there is a connector to the NY State Thruway

Sure it is!

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.exit109.com%2F%7Ehubcity%2Finterstate_new_jersey_101.png&hash=d3b0b64debe0bc2caea30bafeb7237cdc86104be)

:)

WOuldn't it be Interstate 444? Particularly after it intersects interstate 700
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: NJRoadfan on October 01, 2013, 12:30:41 AM
Quote from: SteveG1988 on September 30, 2013, 06:16:46 PM
WOuldn't it be Interstate 444? Particularly after it intersects interstate 700

Nah, thats what Google thinks it is. They also say Exit 81 leads to US-527....
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: PHLBOS on October 01, 2013, 01:37:59 PM
Quote from: hubcity on September 30, 2013, 04:52:56 PMSure it is!
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.exit109.com%2F%7Ehubcity%2Finterstate_new_jersey_101.png&hash=d3b0b64debe0bc2caea30bafeb7237cdc86104be)

:)
I'm surprised that you didn't put 101.5 on that I-shield on reference to the New Jersey 101.5 FM radio station (WKXW).  :sombrero:
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: hubcity on October 01, 2013, 04:56:29 PM
A 5di? Hmmmm...
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: SteveG1988 on October 01, 2013, 04:58:53 PM
Quote from: hubcity on October 01, 2013, 04:56:29 PM
A 5di? Hmmmm...

NJ TUrnpike I 70095
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: hotdogPi on October 01, 2013, 05:21:34 PM
This is how a 5di should be:

3di: Example: I-495 in Massachusetts.

4di: Short branch of the 3di. For example, MA 213 would be I-2495.

5di: Even shorter branch or it could be an entrance/exit ramp. So, the Exit 4 ramp of MA 213 would be I-12495.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 01, 2013, 06:08:34 PM
every individual slab of concrete should be signed with a 6- or 7-di.
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: NE2 on October 01, 2013, 07:08:30 PM
Quote from: 1 on October 01, 2013, 05:21:34 PM
3di: Example: I-495 in Massachusetts.

4di: Short branch of the 3di. For example, MA 213 would be I-2495.
Virginia had two state routes numbered like this from 1923-28: http://www.vahighways.com/route-log/va826-999.htm#va1141
Title: Re: US 9, person says it was an interstate highway
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 01, 2013, 07:35:13 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 01, 2013, 06:08:34 PM
every individual slab of concrete should be signed with a 6- or 7-di.
I knew I-2954276 wasn't just an interchange.