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Title: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: 1 on October 15, 2018, 03:29:03 PM
Based on this quote:

California has over 100 cities with over 50K population. Almost all of them are on a road.

[citation needed]

:bigass:

Question: does "on a road" entail just pull-through or freeway-to-freeway exit references, or cities cited on off-ramps to surface streets as well?  If the latter, most CA towns of any appreciable size close to a freeway would find their way to BGS's!  However, there are a number of CA cities exceeding 100K population that aren't actual freeway control cities; I can think of a few offhand:  Santa Clara, Fontana, and Huntington Beach are examples.  All do show up on BGS exit signs, however.   

(bold is mine; italics are not)

For obvious reasons, there are no large cities in the United States (or other developed nations) that don't appear on any BGS, which is why I'm asking about medium-sized ones. They can be towns, villages, etc.; they don't have to be cities.

EDIT:

In New England, the most populous city not shown on a BGS is Windham, CT (pop 25,268), but only because the signs say Willimantic instead of Windham. The largest legitimate example is Ridgefield, CT (pop 24,638), which is on US 7 but gets skipped over on I-84, I-95, and the freeway portions of US 7 itself (and yes, I checked I-684, too).
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: webny99 on October 15, 2018, 04:16:00 PM
What about suburbs?
Brighton, NY, doesn't appear on any BGS's, and has a 2016 population of 36,600.
Perinton, NY, is an even better example, with a 2016 population of 46,700.

Amherst, NY, with around 120,000 residents, might be hard to beat, but first we need verification that it doesn't appear on any BGS's. I don't think it does but I'm not 100% sure; there's a number of locations I might check in Street View first.
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: ftballfan on October 15, 2018, 07:02:31 PM
In Michigan, Marquette doesn't show up on any freeway BGSes (the one place where I thought it might show up [I-75 at M-28], the smaller towns of Newberry and Munising (still important in their own right as both are county seats) show up instead)
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: Rothman on October 15, 2018, 08:06:45 PM
What about suburbs?
Brighton, NY, doesn't appear on any BGS's, and has a 2016 population of 36,600.
Perinton, NY, is an even better example, with a 2016 population of 46,700.

Amherst, NY, with around 120,000 residents, might be hard to beat, but first we need verification that it doesn't appear on any BGS's. I don't think it does but I'm not 100% sure; there's a number of locations I might check in Street View first.
Not on I-990?
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: kphoger on October 15, 2018, 08:50:32 PM
What about suburbs?
Brighton, NY, doesn't appear on any BGS's, and has a 2016 population of 36,600.
Perinton, NY, is an even better example, with a 2016 population of 46,700.

Amherst, NY, with around 120,000 residents, might be hard to beat, but first we need verification that it doesn't appear on any BGS's. I don't think it does but I'm not 100% sure; there's a number of locations I might check in Street View first.
Not on I-990?

I can't find any Amherst freeway BGSes, and I've searched pretty much anything that would have it.



In Michigan, Marquette doesn't show up on any freeway BGSes (the one place where I thought it might show up [I-75 at M-28], the smaller towns of Newberry and Munising (still important in their own right as both are county seats) show up instead)

Juneau (AK) is bigger, and I don't think it shows up on a freewat BGS either...
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: TheHighwayMan394 on October 15, 2018, 10:48:42 PM
MN I think has:
Suburb: Brooklyn Park (Bloomington has a BGS at the US 169/CR 101 mess in Shakopee)
Rest of state: Faribault
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: MNHighwayMan on October 15, 2018, 11:56:26 PM
Rest of state: Faribault

Exit 55 on I-35?
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: TheHighwayMan394 on October 16, 2018, 12:18:16 AM
Rest of state: Faribault

Exit 55 on I-35?

But that’s actually an exit to Faribault, I thought it was just cities not mentioned outside of their city. I’ll discount my answer anyway.
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: MNHighwayMan on October 16, 2018, 01:31:57 AM
Yeah, I wasn't quite sure which signs the OP was including in their post. Is it all BGSes, or…?
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: 1 on October 16, 2018, 09:04:39 AM
Yeah, I wasn't quite sure which signs the OP was including in their post. Is it all BGSes, or…?

All BGSes, as long as they're on a freeway.
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: webny99 on October 16, 2018, 09:27:54 AM
Amherst, NY, with around 120,000 residents, might be hard to beat, but first we need verification that it doesn't appear on any BGS's. I don't think it does but I'm not 100% sure; there's a number of locations I might check in Street View first.
Not on I-990?
I can't find any Amherst freeway BGSes, and I've searched pretty much anything that would have it.

Yep, about 95% sure Amherst doesn't appear on any BGS's. As impressive as that is though, I found a larger town: Ramapo, NY (https://www.google.com/search?q=ramapo+ny+population&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS791US791&oq=ramapo+ny+population&aqs=chrome..69i57.7795j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8), a town in Rockland County with population 136,200. I-87's Exit 15A uses Sloatsburg and Suffern, while Exit 14B uses Airmont and Montebello (areas within the Town of Ramapo).
Beat that!!  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: bzakharin on October 16, 2018, 12:43:21 PM
Hamilton, NJ (the one in Mercer County) is NJ's 9th largest municipality at 89K residents. It also has 5 exits on I-295, 5 exits on I-195, 2 exits on NJ 29, but not a single BGS.
There are a few unincorporated entities within Hamilton that get a mention, though.

If that doesn't count, I don't believe Old Bridge (67K) is on any BGSs
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: 3467 on October 16, 2018, 07:39:12 PM
Very few Chicago suburbs ever appear. Its mostly street names. Even on arterials they disappear. They function more like regular streets upon reaching the metro area. US 34s last milage sign is Chicago 60 miles after IL 23 then it's just city boundary signs.
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: kphoger on October 16, 2018, 07:59:29 PM
Very few Chicago suburbs ever appear. Its mostly street names. Even on arterials they disappear. They function more like regular streets upon reaching the metro area. US 34s last milage sign is Chicago 60 miles after IL 23 then it's just city boundary signs.

Depending on your definition of a freeway, Aurora appears on a BGS or two along IL-56 in Sugar Grove.  But I don't think Naperville appears on any freeway BGS at all, population 147,000.  (Naperville Road shouldn't count, because it's obviously referring to the road and not the town.)
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: ilpt4u on October 16, 2018, 08:22:41 PM
Supplemental BGSs do not count? I know for a fact Naperville appears on Supplemental BGSs on I-88

Aurora appears as a prominent Control for I-88, and even (oddly) for I-290 in Downtown Chicago
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: kphoger on October 16, 2018, 08:35:59 PM
Supplemental BGSs do not count? I know for a fact Naperville appears on Supplemental BGSs on I-88

Aurora appears as a prominent Control for I-88, and even (oddly) for I-290 in Downtown Chicago

Sorry, it's been a long time since I've been up that way.  Are the supplemental BGSes those ones with like six different town names on them?  Forgot about those.
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: ilpt4u on October 16, 2018, 08:45:06 PM
Supplemental BGSs do not count? I know for a fact Naperville appears on Supplemental BGSs on I-88

Aurora appears as a prominent Control for I-88, and even (oddly) for I-290 in Downtown Chicago

Sorry, it's been a long time since I've been up that way.  Are the supplemental BGSes those ones with like six different town names on them?  Forgot about those.
Pretty sure the one at the IL 59 Exit off I-88 might list 6 or more...I’ll look it up on GSV to double check...OK, its only 4
Naperville
Plainfield
Warrenville
West Chicago

I lived and grew up in that area...wrong thread, but my “childhood” Interstate block was I-55, I-355, I-88, I-39, and I-80. A little familiar with the West-Southwest Suburbs
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: kphoger on October 16, 2018, 08:52:11 PM
Supplemental BGSs do not count? I know for a fact Naperville appears on Supplemental BGSs on I-88

Aurora appears as a prominent Control for I-88, and even (oddly) for I-290 in Downtown Chicago

Sorry, it's been a long time since I've been up that way.  Are the supplemental BGSes those ones with like six different town names on them?  Forgot about those.
Pretty sure the one at the IL 59 Exit off I-88 might list 6 or more...I’ll look it up on GSV to double check...OK, its only 4
Naperville
Plainfield
Warrenville
West Chicago

I lived and grew up in that area...wrong thread, but my “childhood” Interstate block was I-55, I-355, I-88, I-39, and I-80. A little familiar with the West-Southwest Suburbs

I lived in River Forest from 1999 to 2000, then Wheaton and Carol Stream from 2000 to 2006, then downstate in Herrin from 2006 to 2008.
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: ilpt4u on October 16, 2018, 08:58:30 PM
Supplemental BGSs do not count? I know for a fact Naperville appears on Supplemental BGSs on I-88

Aurora appears as a prominent Control for I-88, and even (oddly) for I-290 in Downtown Chicago

Sorry, it's been a long time since I've been up that way.  Are the supplemental BGSes those ones with like six different town names on them?  Forgot about those.
Pretty sure the one at the IL 59 Exit off I-88 might list 6 or more...I’ll look it up on GSV to double check...OK, its only 4
Naperville
Plainfield
Warrenville
West Chicago

I lived and grew up in that area...wrong thread, but my “childhood” Interstate block was I-55, I-355, I-88, I-39, and I-80. A little familiar with the West-Southwest Suburbs

I lived in River Forest from 1999 to 2000, then Wheaton and Carol Stream from 2000 to 2006, then downstate in Herrin from 2006 to 2008.
Bolingbrook -> Lisle -> Crystal Lake -> Naperville -> Danville -> Peoria -> Carbondale

I feel like I have taken a tour of IL.

Herrin fully qualifies as Southern IL, not just Downstate
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: ET21 on October 17, 2018, 09:33:38 AM
Supplemental BGSs do not count? I know for a fact Naperville appears on Supplemental BGSs on I-88

Aurora appears as a prominent Control for I-88, and even (oddly) for I-290 in Downtown Chicago

I-290 should be Schaumburg honestly
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: ilpt4u on October 17, 2018, 06:46:23 PM
Supplemental BGSs do not count? I know for a fact Naperville appears on Supplemental BGSs on I-88

Aurora appears as a prominent Control for I-88, and even (oddly) for I-290 in Downtown Chicago

I-290 should be Schaumburg honestly
I am in the “I-290 should be deleted” crowd, but keeping current designations...

IDK, I might keep Aurora on I-290 West/Outbound leaving the Circle. The Kennedy/I-90 or the Eisenhower/I-290 will both get you to Schaumburg, but I-290 -> I-88 for Aurora is a separate Destination from Parent I-90. Or use both Schaumburg and Aurora for I-290 West when Downtown

Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: kphoger on October 19, 2018, 01:21:45 PM
Supplemental BGSs do not count? I know for a fact Naperville appears on Supplemental BGSs on I-88

Aurora appears as a prominent Control for I-88, and even (oddly) for I-290 in Downtown Chicago

I-290 should be Schaumburg honestly
I am in the “I-290 should be deleted” crowd, but keeping current designations...

IDK, I might keep Aurora on I-290 West/Outbound leaving the Circle. The Kennedy/I-90 or the Eisenhower/I-290 will both get you to Schaumburg, but I-290 -> I-88 for Aurora is a separate Destination from Parent I-90. Or use both Schaumburg and Aurora for I-290 West when Downtown

I'd go with...

[Elmhurst] from downtown
[Schaumburg] at the E-W Tollway split.  (and maybe [TO 90 ELGIN] too)
Title: Re: Medium sized cities not on any freeway BGSes
Post by: nexus73 on October 19, 2018, 02:16:28 PM
North Bend OR is not on any freeway BGS.  For a few years it was thanks to a city councilor getting the ear of ODOT, which resulted in North Bend being mentioned on a sign at the SR 38 interchange but when a sign change occurred, there went my home town!

Other Oregon coastal cities get ignored as well.  There is none for Newport.  Astoria, Seaside or Tillamook might get some mention on US 26 westbound from PDX but I am not sure.

At the US 101/US 199 interchange the control city for northbound traffic on 101 is "Oregon Coast".  Mileage signs along freeway sections of 101 do list Brookings and Coos Bay as coastal cities though. 

Rick