Route 0?

Started by Quillz, October 30, 2010, 01:51:58 PM

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Quote from: PennDOTFan on November 02, 2010, 10:31:38 PM
Don't mean to hijack the thread, but I have a curious question about Wisconsin and Missouri's lettered routes. Do they ever cross the capital "I"s to prevent it from getting mixed up with a "1"?
Doesn't the "1" under both FHWA Series and Clearview have that little tail to distinguish it from a lowercase L or uppercase I?


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Quote from: PennDOTFan on November 02, 2010, 10:31:38 PM
Don't mean to hijack the thread, but I have a curious question about Wisconsin and Missouri's lettered routes. Do they ever cross the capital "I"s to prevent it from getting mixed up with a "1"? Do they even have a route I or route II?

Ilion, NY is signed with a crossed capital I to prevent it from reading |||on.  On the other hand, I don't believe Illinois does that with their state name.

Scott5114

Missouri doesn't use G, I, Q, S, or X in their lettered routes, to prevent confusion with 6, 1, O, and 5 respectively. (No idea why they don't use X.)
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agentsteel53

Quote from: Scott5114 on November 03, 2010, 12:53:25 AM(No idea why they don't use X.)

looks too much like a digit "3".

seriously, I have no idea why.  Is X used for planning purposes as a route whose number/letter designation has not yet been finalized?
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Scott5114

I don't know for sure. In the article that I gleaned the information from, the author just made a lame joke about "nobody wants to drive on an X-rated highway". I'm sure if someone really wanted to know, you could email MoDOT and they'd answer. I know R is generally reserved for roads to recreation areas, but that too was outright stated in the article.
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on_wisconsin

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There is not a highway numbered "1" (in WI) so the letter I works fine as a county road marker and just for added fun:

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County XXX could also be a bootleggers' route.  :sombrero:

I remember in many of those old cartoons, alcohol was in this jug with "XXX" on it.
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Quote from: PennDOTFan on November 02, 2010, 10:31:38 PM
Don't mean to hijack the thread, but I have a curious question about Wisconsin and Missouri's lettered routes. Do they ever cross the capital "I"s to prevent it from getting mixed up with a "1"? Do they even have a route I or route II?

From what I've seen, most of the "County I" signs in Wisconsin do actually put serifs on the letter.  (Here's a picture of one.)  That said, a lot of county route markers are furnished by county sign shops and have fonts that are a little "off."

I'm aware of a few County IIs around the state...don't know of any III, though!
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The US interstate and highway systems never considered zero (0) a real number to ever be used/commissioned. Note they start from 5 to 99 (from West to East) and 4 to 96 (from South to North), to leave out the first 3 numbers is an interest of mine I pondered. In the highway system: 1 to 101 (East coast to west) and 2 to 98 (North to south) the virtual opposite of the Interstate system. The state and country road system have their own rules, they can decide on what to name and number a road, but be cautious with the number #13 and the triple-K associated with a hate group.
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Quote from: Mike D boy on August 07, 2011, 09:12:24 PM
The US interstate and highway systems never considered zero (0) a real number to ever be used/commissioned. Note they start from 5 to 99 (from West to East) and 4 to 96 (from South to North), to leave out the first 3 numbers is an interest of mine I pondered. In the highway system: 1 to 101 (East coast to west) and 2 to 98 (North to south) the virtual opposite of the Interstate system. The state and country road system have their own rules, they can decide on what to name and number a road, but be cautious with the number #13 and the triple-K associated with a hate group.

Funny how the US system considered 0 & 1 to be the important numbers, yet the interstate uses 5 & 0 as the alpha numbers.

Zmapper

Sorta related, but the bus route along Broadway in Denver is Route 0. The reason for this is because of the address system in the Denver region. The center point is Broadway and Ellsworth, with the numbers increasing accordingly as you travel from that intersection.

Because Denver is a grid city, RTD tries to match bus route numbers to the roads address. So Route 6 would travel on the street that is 6 blocks from the center intersection, Route 40 on 4000, Route 120 on 12000, etc. (Does that make sense?) As such, because Broadway is 000, the bus route number is 0.

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Quote from: on_wisconsin on November 02, 2010, 10:20:51 AM

:sombrero:

Northland Ave across Appleton's north side (late 1930s-1960 routing of US 41) is Outagamie County 'OO'.  The locals call it "Double Oh".

Quote from: Andrew T. on November 03, 2010, 01:41:02 PM
Quote from: PennDOTFan on November 02, 2010, 10:31:38 PM
Don't mean to hijack the thread, but I have a curious question about Wisconsin and Missouri's lettered routes. Do they ever cross the capital "I"s to prevent it from getting mixed up with a "1"? Do they even have a route I or route II?

From what I've seen, most of the "County I" signs in Wisconsin do actually put serifs on the letter.  (Here's a picture of one.)  That said, a lot of county route markers are furnished by county sign shops and have fonts that are a little "off."

I'm aware of a few County IIs around the state...don't know of any III, though!

Winnebago County 'II' (road is formerly WI 110 and WI 150) is marked with signs like that.

Anyways, there is no confusion with that in Wisconsin as ALL county highways in the state are lettered.

Also, I like Wisconsin's standard county shield much, much, much more than the MUTCD pentagon.

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Quote from: Scott5114 on November 03, 2010, 12:53:25 AM
Missouri doesn't use G, I, Q, S, or X in their lettered routes, to prevent confusion with 6, 1, O, and 5 respectively. (No idea why they don't use X.)

Then why is there a highway OO? http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=36.662756,-93.416061&spn=0,0.027466&z=16&layer=c&cbll=36.66284,-93.416066&panoid=dCi-CgUGv7heGF_jImGWbA&cbp=12,217.05,,0,7.42
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Scott5114

Quote from: pianocello on August 08, 2011, 08:21:31 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 03, 2010, 12:53:25 AM
Missouri doesn't use G, I, Q, S, or X in their lettered routes, to prevent confusion with 6, 1, O, and 5 respectively. (No idea why they don't use X.)

Then why is there a highway OO? http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=36.662756,-93.416061&spn=0,0.027466&z=16&layer=c&cbll=36.66284,-93.416066&panoid=dCi-CgUGv7heGF_jImGWbA&cbp=12,217.05,,0,7.42

Letter O is used. Q is not, used, however, because it could be confused with letter O. Apparently MoDOT doesn't consider letter O being confused with zero to be enough of an issue to warrant not using letter O in lettered routes. (There's plenty of single O routes too–I've clinched Greene County's.)
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Quote from: realjd on November 02, 2010, 10:03:39 AM
Come on now. That would be highly irrational.

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Quote from: agentsteel53 on November 01, 2010, 12:19:14 PM
I believe Wisconsin features County OO and County OOO as well.

Isn't the latter route (OOO) more commonly known as the "Merv Griffin Highway"?   :-D

You young'uns probably won't get that one.



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