US Protect IP and Stop Online Piracy Acts

[SSOWorld]

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/13/media-and-entertainment-companies-add-support-to-proposed-antipiracy-legislation/ link from the New York Times.

I'm just going to let you read the article.  then express your opinions.

Will it help the Hollywood studios and record labels?

OR

Will it hurt sites like YouTube, Facebook, Google, Flickr, Photobucket, etc. where if there is a hint of copyrighted material they must pull it and report it.

I'm kind of not happy that the politicians (both parties) are going to push this through, I'm not sure if it will destroy the internet as a whole or if it will enhance these hollywood moguls profits.

If it does what Google, Facebook, YouTube, etc think it does, We won't be able to post many road trip photos or videos anywhere.

Your thoughts?

[agentsteel53]

blah blah blah America, fuck yeah blah blah blah

get over it, you nationalistic freaks.

[SSOWorld]

blah blah blah America, fuck yeah blah blah blah

get over it, you nationalistic freaks.

Would you translate that to English for those of us who don't speak Occupy?

[Stephane Dumas]

There a thread similar about this on Toonzone http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?288697-Internet-Intellectual-Property-Act

I think those Hollywood moguls needs to adapt to the new realities or they could hit the wall like General Motors did.

[J N Winkler]

This story has been bubbling along for a while--it is far from a done deal and in fact I would urge you to contact your senators and congressmen if you object to this proposed legislation.  I am personally skeptical that it will pass, and tend to see it more as a maximalist opening bid in a policy auction, but I think it would be unwise to be complacent because the bills would essentially give not just the content providers but also malicious third parties unlimited freedom to break the Internet in the interests of preventing piracy.  The draft legislation is technologically illiterate and poses a remedy which is at least an order of magnitude more damaging than the alleged problem, which is mainly loss of profit from secondary release streams.

[agentsteel53]

Would you translate that to English for those of us who don't speak Occupy?

I (with the possible exception of Elkins and a few others) am just about the last person on this board to speak Occupy.

I was objecting to the level of flag-waving propaganda, which is pretty high even by usual US standards.

[NE2]

I (with the possible exception of Elkins and a few others) am just about the last person on this board to speak Occupy.

But, you see, to a right-winger, everyone to their left is a dirty hippie.

[agentsteel53]

But, you see, to a right-winger, everyone to their left is a dirty hippie.

I dunno, I've heard Ralph Nader practices good hygiene.

[hbelkins]

I speak Newt's dialect of Occupy. Occupy a bathtub and a job.  

But how would this prevent anyone from posting photos and videos of their travels? You might not be able to set your video of clinching I-199 to "Roll On Down The Highway" by BTO, but you could post a video nonetheless.

[SSOWorld]

Depends - YouTube, Facebook and Flickr are endangered.  Some nutjob CEO will see their product shown "by accident" and sue Flickr for it.

--and I know I responded to Jake in unkindness but lets keep on topic guys.

[hbelkins]

--and I know I responded to Jake in unkindness but lets keep on topic guys.

On topic in a board specifically labeled "off topic?" 

[bugo]

I speak Newt's dialect of Occupy. Occupy a bathtub and a job.

Because there are no jobs out there.

Why doesn't Newtzi put his wealth to good use by starting a company that provides new jobs?  Oh yeah, he's too busy cheating on his wives before he dumps them when they're on their deathbeds.

[SSOWorld]

off topic as in not fitting into any of the roads related forums.

[hbelkins]

Oh yeah, he's too busy cheating on his wives before he dumps them when they're on their deathbeds.

Except that isn't true. Educate yourself: http://www.unionleader.com/article/20111120/OPINION02/711209969

[NE2]

Remember that episode where they went warp 10 and turned into Newts and had hot amphibian sex?

[agentsteel53]

Because there are no jobs out there.

I was unemployed for 15 months.

I made a profit.

if you don't like the 1%... form your own 1% which is up to your moral standards.

[J N Winkler]

Depends - YouTube, Facebook and Flickr are endangered.  Some nutjob CEO will see their product shown "by accident" and sue Flickr for it.

I think it is a bit worse than that.  I understand that while the bills as a group would create new causes of action and eliminate DMCA safe-harbor provisions, at least one of the bills provides for the creation of an IP administrator with the power to deny IP resolution (an administrative action) on the strength of a complaint, before that complaint has been adjudicated.  In other words, malefactors in effect get the ability to do a denial-of-service attack by filing a false complaint.

How did we get sidetracked onto Newt and the Occupy protests?

[Hot Rod Hootenanny]

Because there are no jobs out there.

I was unemployed for 15 months.

I made a profit.

if you don't like the 1%... form your own 1% which is up to your moral standards.

So you sold food stamps for a year. Thats kind of illegal.

[agentsteel53]

So you sold food stamps for a year. Thats kind of illegal.

nah, drugs.

[Hot Rod Hootenanny]

So you sold food stamps for a year. Thats kind of illegal.

I hear thats kind of illegal as well.
nah, drugs.

[bugo]

Oh yeah, he's too busy cheating on his wives before he dumps them when they're on their deathbeds.

Except that isn't true. Educate yourself: http://www.unionleader.com/article/20111120/OPINION02/711209969

"OPINION"

[J N Winkler]

I can see a lot of state DOT websites getting sucked into this too, because the bills allow action on the basis of incidental infringement.  It is not just YouTube, Facebook, Google, etc. which are in danger.

[hbelkins]

It's their own daughter, for heaven's sake! "Opinion" refers to the section of the paper it was printed in.

[triplemultiplex]

Once again, the RIAA and MPAA are overreaching in a too-late attempt to curtail filesharing.  Old money dies hard.  The Industry should've seen the piracy thing coming long ago.  It was inevitable the minute computers and internet got fast enough.  Now they desperately play catch up, overreact to the issue and unnecessarily try and hamstring internet users.  And for what?  So some kid can't use a pop song in his stupid YouTube video?  Gimme a break.

Maybe if they devoted these resources towards making something worth paying for.  Do they see the ads for movies & DVD's that have been out in the last month or so?  I can't imagine anyone paying to see most of that shit.  Another Chipmunks movie?  Really?  Somebody needs to be in jail for that.  Because I'm pretty sure that counts as torture.

[formulanone]

Once again, the RIAA and MPAA are overreaching in a too-late attempt to curtail filesharing

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Maybe if they devoted these resources towards making something worth paying for.  Do they see the ads for movies & DVD's that have been out in the last month or so?  I can't imagine anyone paying to see most of that shit.  Another Chipmunks movie?  Really?  Somebody needs to be in jail for that.  Because I'm pretty sure that counts as torture.

While I can understand how they don't want their latest movie shared for free, there is some merit to actually creating something that the public might want to buy...the problem is, we shouldn't dictate taste as an excuse to steal or sell, only to ignore or preach (mind you, I go to two movies a year, and maybe rent about 4-5 a year, and watch next to no TV shows, save some sporting events).

Never mind the hassle of having to jump to the latest format before it's damned to obsolescence.

With that said, I don't want my AT&T-based home service to restrict me from viewing Comcast's website, nor should we suffer the indignity of any permutations thereof, especially if I'm PAYING for my internet/TV service. If you give it to me for FREE, then you can choose my path, understandably so. And no, tiered service plans aren't the same as free.

I don't think this is going to spell the end of user-created content, but it might mean the demise of "derivative works" that YouTube is heavily (and yet, conveniently and helpfully) composed of. The screenshots and someone-else's-bullshit-passed-off-as-another's-creativity that wades around the 'net without attribution. The flotsam and jetsam that hasn't gone away since Spry Mosaic was launched. And all the duplicated information that clutters up the web. However, the point of the world wide web was to inform and display under the guise of Fair Use, which is arbitrarily discussed in copyright law.

Stating that this hurts American jobs is really a phony guise; it's hardly the reason for stagnant employment figures. Put some tech-savvy folks to work at preventing your own forms of illegal duplication and transmission, instead of asking government to fix your problems while simultaneously howling that they're interfering with your livelihood. Fix your problems on your dime.