Interstates getting their own number

[Henry]

Renumber I-82 as an odd 2di number

Put I-82 on current I-84 in the east

Renumber ID I-86 as a 3di

Renumber one of the I-88's as I-92.


Mapmikey

Actually I'd make i-82 an odd interstate because if you look at it...it really looks more south to north than east to west. I agree making I-84 in the east I-82 and ridding I-86 in the west completely. However, how can I-88 be made I-92 if it is south of I-90?

I have been thinking the same thing myself! Unless there was a plan to make a completely toll-free interstate alternative to the Massachusetts Turnpike, I really don't see this happening ever. Plus, I like the duplicate numbers where they are now.

And BTW, seeing that none of these proposals will become reality, shouldn't this be moved to the Fictional Highways section?

[xonhulu]

Maybe I'd like to see this happen like it did way back when...

They should've stuck with the plan, and not allowed politics to mess it up.  The idea that western I-80N/I-84 should've been I-82 was a great one, and I agree the current I-82 should be an odd interstate (but not a 3di).  The I-82N designation for former I-15W/current I-86 would've worked fine, although I would've just designated the southern branch as I-82 (not I-82S).

I've also suggested in the past that they could've just made the Utah-to-Portland interstate I-80, and given the Utah-to-San Francisco freeway a number in the 50's or 60's that didn't duplicate a US Route in those 3 states.

But we're stuck with the current numbering, and the duplicate numbers don't really bother me that much.  It certainly isn't enough of a problem to be worth the cost of widespread renumbering to eliminate.

[Scott5114]

Maybe suffixes should just be reintroduced. I personally never saw what the big deal was with having I-80 and I-80N. I don't think it's really all that confusing.

Say it out loud. I-80 North? So you go north on I-80? No, go west on I-80 North. Well, do you want me to go west or north??

You can try to get around it and call it I-80 "N" (pronouncing the N as "N") but this is far from universal.

I had to direct some Kansans through DFW once and even with a simplified hand-drawn map showing only the roads of interest and detailed turn by turn directions they still got lost because of I-35W.

[hobsini2]

Maybe suffixes should just be reintroduced. I personally never saw what the big deal was with having I-80 and I-80N. I don't think it's really all that confusing.

I had to direct some Kansans through DFW once and even with a simplified hand-drawn map showing only the roads of interest and detailed turn by turn directions they still got lost because of I-35W.

Let me ask you this. Do you call it 35 "W" ot 35 West?  Everytime i have been to DFW or MSP i have always refered to it as 35 "W".  So calling it 80 "N" doesnt seem foreign at all to me.

[Beltway]

Maybe suffixes should just be reintroduced. I personally never saw what the big deal was with having I-80 and I-80N. I don't think it's really all that confusing.

I had to direct some Kansans through DFW once and even with a simplified hand-drawn map showing only the roads of interest and detailed turn by turn directions they still got lost because of I-35W.

Let me ask you this. Do you call it 35 "W" ot 35 West?  Everytime i have been to DFW or MSP i have always refered to it as 35 "W".  So calling it 80 "N" doesnt seem foreign at all to me.

I don't know about out there, but when I lived in the D.C. area in the era of I-70S, people verbally referred to it as "seventy" "S".

[Scott5114]

Maybe suffixes should just be reintroduced. I personally never saw what the big deal was with having I-80 and I-80N. I don't think it's really all that confusing.

I had to direct some Kansans through DFW once and even with a simplified hand-drawn map showing only the roads of interest and detailed turn by turn directions they still got lost because of I-35W.

Let me ask you this. Do you call it 35 "W" ot 35 West?  Everytime i have been to DFW or MSP i have always refered to it as 35 "W".  So calling it 80 "N" doesnt seem foreign at all to me.

I didn't call it anything, I just wrote " south" on the paper (yes, including the shield) and figured it would be obvious. Apparently, not being familiar with the suffixed interstate situation in DFW, they interpreted the W as meaning "west" and then got themselves confused looking for "I-35 West" or something. I don't really know their thought process, as I was not along for the trip and only heard about it as they were on the way back.

If you're going to do suffixes I would say it's far preferable to use A, B, C... since those are unambiguously just arbitrary letter suffixes. (Except in Arkansas, where US-70A is US-70 Alternate and US-70B is US-70 Business...  )

[NE2]

Using A for Alternate is common in many states.

[bugo]

Maybe suffixes should just be reintroduced. I personally never saw what the big deal was with having I-80 and I-80N. I don't think it's really all that confusing.

I had to direct some Kansans through DFW once and even with a simplified hand-drawn map showing only the roads of interest and detailed turn by turn directions they still got lost because of I-35W.

Let me ask you this. Do you call it 35 "W" ot 35 West?  Everytime i have been to DFW or MSP i have always refered to it as 35 "W".  So calling it 80 "N" doesnt seem foreign at all to me.

I didn't call it anything, I just wrote " south" on the paper (yes, including the shield) and figured it would be obvious. Apparently, not being familiar with the suffixed interstate situation in DFW, they interpreted the W as meaning "west" and then got themselves confused looking for "I-35 West" or something. I don't really know their thought process, as I was not along for the trip and only heard about it as they were on the way back.

If you're going to do suffixes I would say it's far preferable to use A, B, C... since those are unambiguously just arbitrary letter suffixes. (Except in Arkansas, where US-70A is US-70 Alternate and US-70B is US-70 Business...  )

There are no alternate routes in Arkansas.  There are "S" spur routes, however.  And AR 58E (there is no 58W.)

[Duke87]

Apparently, not being familiar with the suffixed interstate situation in DFW, they interpreted the W as meaning "west" and then got themselves confused looking for "I-35 West" or something. I don't really know their thought process, as I was not along for the trip and only heard about it as they were on the way back.

Well, DFW and MSP are the only remaining examples of suffixed interstates, and there aren't exactly all that many US highway examples left either. If it were more common people would be more familiar with it and wouldn't be confused by it.

If you're going to do suffixes I would say it's far preferable to use A, B, C... since those are unambiguously just arbitrary letter suffixes.

This I agree with.

[formulanone]

you're right.  I'm sorry.  I will only discuss I-366 here.

You're going to marry I-366 one day, ain't you?

[OCGuy81]

Wasn't the western I-86, historically, a 3-di?  I thought it was I-215 or something to that effect.  No harm in in going back to that, IMO. 

[TheStranger]

Wasn't the western I-86, historically, a 3-di?  I thought it was I-215 or something to that effect.  No harm in in going back to that, IMO. 

Nope, it was I-15W originally.

[OCGuy81]

Nope, it was I-15W originally.

That's right.  Thanks! 

I think 86 is wasted on that short freeway in Idaho, where it could easily be a 3-di of either I-15 or I-84.

And I agree with the posts that I-84 would be better as I-82, and I-82 should be an odd N/S route, maybe I-11? 13?

[Roadmaestro95]

Most likely I-9 or I-11 because it is just a bit east of CA-99 (possible I-7 or I-9) longitudinally. Would be better suited as CA-99 as I-9 and I-82 as I-11. Also I-86 in ID would be better off as an aux for I-84 than I-15 (it looks like it branches right of 84)

[national highway 1]

Yep. I-86 (W) should be either I-284, or  I-384 (I-282 or I-382 if I-84 is redesignated I-82)

[Roadmaestro95]

Yep. I-86 (W) should be either I-284, or  I-384 (I-282 or I-382 if I-84 is redesignated I-82)

I-84 in the east would become I-82 and I-84 would remain the same in the west.

[xonhulu]

Say it out loud. I-80 North? So you go north on I-80? No, go west on I-80 North. Well, do you want me to go west or north??

You can try to get around it and call it I-80 "N" (pronouncing the N as "N") but this is far from universal.

I found myself thinking about this today, how people pronounced the suffixed routes.  I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that, while it was around, the locals pronounced I-80N as "Eighty-North."  However, as long as I can remember the suffixed routes of 99 here in Oregon have been pronounced "Ninety-Nine-EE" and "Ninety-Nine-Double-You."  Not sure why there was that inconsistency in pronunciation.

[Hot Rod Hootenanny]

Say it out loud. I-80 North? So you go north on I-80? No, go west on I-80 North. Well, do you want me to go west or north??

You can try to get around it and call it I-80 "N" (pronouncing the N as "N") but this is far from universal.

I found myself thinking about this today, how people pronounced the suffixed routes.  I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that, while it was around, the locals pronounced I-80N as "Eighty-North."  However, as long as I can remember the suffixed routes of 99 here in Oregon have been pronounced "Ninety-Nine-EE" and "Ninety-Nine-Double-You."  Not sure why there was that inconsistency in pronunciation.

I guess it would have worked better if they would say "Ninety-Nine-UU" instead.
(only works in print)

[Brandon]

Yep. I-86 (W) should be either I-284, or  I-384 (I-282 or I-382 if I-84 is redesignated I-82)

I-84 in the east would become I-82 and I-84 would remain the same in the west.

In a perfect world, I-80 would have gone to Portland (following US-30), and the route from Salt Lake to San Francisco should be I-60, but I digress.