Business routes that are NOT former alignments

[TheStranger]

I thought of this after remembering this particular loop, Business US 395 in Ridgecrest:

http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/395/u2/
http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/395/u2/assets/00225-0085.JPG

The loop is not a historical routing of US 395 at all, but was created sometime in the 1970s to serve the town (one of the larger settlements between Victorville and Bishop).

With that in mind, are there any other examples of this? 

(And to clarify, an Interstate with a surface street business route under the typical "former US route alignment that has become a business loop" doesn't qualify...but something like the former Business Spur I-696 in Detroit technically does.)

[NE2]

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5858.0

[Alps]

In general, any Interstate Business Spur would qualify, since only the Loops tend to be former routings bypassed by the Interstate.

[mgk920]

Before they were decommissioned during the 1990s, the 'Business Routes' of US 41 though Appleton and Oshkosh, WI did not follow 'old road' routings through either city.

Mike

[TheStranger]

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5858.0

What's incredible is how THAT gets marked with shields on Google Maps...but not the much higher-quality US 395 business route mentioned at the start of the current thread!  

(In fact, the only markings for the latter on Google Maps is a "US 395 Business" label on one section of China Lake Boulevard and similar labeling twice on Route 178.)

[agentsteel53]

In general, any Interstate Business Spur would qualify, since only the Loops tend to be former routings bypassed by the Interstate.

one counterexample is Business Spur 25 in Trinidad, Colorado.  



this remnant sign is now on Business Loop 25, but it dates back to before the southernmost exit (exit 11) was built.  for a little while, a segment of US-85/87 was accessible only by taking exit 13, making a U-turn at the off ramp, and heading south.

[US71]

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5858.0

Relevance?

[NE2]

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5858.0

Relevance?

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This was never US 83[/size]

[US71]

I thought of this after remembering this particular loop, Business US 395 in Ridgecrest:

http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/395/u2/
http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/395/u2/assets/00225-0085.JPG

The loop is not a historical routing of US 395 at all, but was created sometime in the 1970s to serve the town (one of the larger settlements between Victorville and Bishop).

With that in mind, are there any other examples of this?  

(And to clarify, an Interstate with a surface street business route under the typical "former US route alignment that has become a business loop" doesn't qualify...but something like the former Business Spur I-696 in Detroit technically does.)

There is a section of Bus US 65 in Springfield, MO that is not a former alignment: basically Chestnut Expressway east of Glenstone (old 65).

[NE2]

There is a section of Bus US 65 in Springfield, MO that is not a former alignment: basically Chestnut Expressway east of Glenstone (old 65).

This is true of many business routes - they use a perpendicular road to get between the old and new alignments.

[bulldog1979]

How would you classify the BUS US 127s in Michigan that were previously BUS US 27s? They all were parts of the pre-freeway US 27, but had their designations switched in 2002 when the parent highway was changed.

[TheStranger]

Forgot an obvious past example:

Business US 50 in downtown Oakland from the 1940s to 1960s along Cypress Street (later Route 17/Cypress Freeway) and Broadway, which I don't think was ever mainline US 50 at any point.

[NE2]

US 41 Biz in Tampa was US 541, which continued south to Palmetto on current US 41 (US 41 used current US 301 south of Tampa). When 301 was extended south, 41 moved west onto 541, and former 541 through downtown Tampa became 41 Biz. One or two small pieces of 41 Biz may have been 41 in the early days, but 41 was on the current 301-92-41 route for years before 41 Biz was created.

[agentsteel53]

US 41 Biz in Tampa was US 541, which continued south to Palmetto on current US 41 (US 41 used current US 301 south of Tampa). When 301 was extended south, 41 moved west onto 541, and former 541 through downtown Tampa became 41 Biz. One or two small pieces of 41 Biz may have been 41 in the early days, but 41 was on the current 301-92-41 route for years before 41 Biz was created.

I did not know this!

what was the segment of US-301 between South Carolina and Florida before 1949?  assorted state routes, I take it?

[Brian556]

Kind of an interesting situation in Pilot Point Tx. The bypass was constructed in the 60's; at which time the highway was SH 99. The old highway was signed Loop 387. SH 99 became US 377 in 1969. The old highway through town is currently signed BUSINESS US 377. So BUSINESS US 377 never was US 377.

In Sanger, TX; a very short portion of BUSINESS I-35 never was US 77. This portion was built to connect the old alignment of US 77 to I-35; since the old highway continues south of town as a county road. I'm sure there are several other examples of this in other places.

[agentsteel53]

In Sanger, TX; a very short portion of BUSINESS I-35 never was US 77. This portion was built to connect the old alignment of US 77 to I-35; since the old highway continues south of town as a county road. I'm sure there are several other examples of this in other places.

yes, there are - it is common to have connecting roads on either end of the old alignment-turned-business-loop that are roughly perpendicular to the freeway.

I believe Ellensburg, WA (BL-90) is an example of this, with respect to old US-10.

[NE2]

US 41 Biz in Tampa was US 541, which continued south to Palmetto on current US 41 (US 41 used current US 301 south of Tampa). When 301 was extended south, 41 moved west onto 541, and former 541 through downtown Tampa became 41 Biz. One or two small pieces of 41 Biz may have been 41 in the early days, but 41 was on the current 301-92-41 route for years before 41 Biz was created.

I did not know this!

what was the segment of US-301 between South Carolina and Florida before 1949?  assorted state routes, I take it?

Yes, which are still numbered such in Georgia (SR 73-23) and Florida (SR 200-35-39-41).

[agentsteel53]

Yes, which are still numbered such in Georgia (SR 73-23) and Florida (SR 200-35-39-41).

good to know.  was it, by any chance, a single-number corridor before Florida's 1945 renumbering?

[NE2]

was it, by any chance, a single-number corridor before Florida's 1945 renumbering?

Nope. It was 13-31-23-156. (13 continued from Waldo to Cedar Key and 23 from Zephyrhills to Tampa via Plant City; 31 and 23 could have become one route with an overlap on 2 from Ocala to Belleview.)
http://alabamamaps.ua.edu/historicalmaps/us_states/florida/index_After1940.htm has 1941 and 1946 maps.

[bulldog1979]

Not that it is signed, but BS I-375 in Detroit is not a former alignment of I-375, nor a former alignment of a predecessor route to I-375 because that freeway spur didn't exactly replace another roadway.

BUS US 24 in Pontiac was part of US 10, not US 24, and previously it was a BUS US 10.

[MrDisco99]

In general, any Interstate Business Spur would qualify, since only the Loops tend to be former routings bypassed by the Interstate.

There are some Interstate business loops that are surface roads that I would think qualify as well.  I'm thinking I-85 (southern portion) and I-95 in NC and I-75 in GA.

[roadman65]

US 82 in Albany, GA before the bypass was constructed used Dawson Road, Slappey Boulevard, and Ogelthorpe Boulevard. Now west of Downtown its business route alignment is concurrent with US 19 Business to the current US 19, US 82, US 82 Business, and US 19 Business junction north of the Business area.  Dawson Road is not at all signed US 82 Business nor any state GA number.  Even GA 520 (US 82's companion state route) is signed with its business along with its partner!

The same is said about US 19's Business alignment south of Downtown Albany where it is aligned on Ogalthorpe Boulevard, was NOT the original US 19 here either. GA 3's business route(US 19's secret route) is the same, and GA 300 was created later on so it never was in Albany before the freeways.

[huskeroadgeek]

For interstate business routes, the two I-35 business loops in Iowa(Ames and Clear Lake) don't really follow old alignments of a parallel US route for the most part. They are really more contrived loops rather than logically following an old US route alignment which is the case with most Interstate business loops. Part of the Ames business loop does follow US 69, but most of it is on US 30 and a local street that was never part of any US route. The Clear Lake business loop follows some of US 18, but the rest of it is just local streets not part of any old US route alignment.

[JREwing78]

How would you classify the BUS US 127s in Michigan that were previously BUS US 27s? They all were parts of the pre-freeway US 27, but had their designations switched in 2002 when the parent highway was changed.

I wouldn't treat it any differently than an Interstate replacing a US route. The business route, outside of the connections to the US-127 freeway, are all old US-27 alignments.

[sp_redelectric]

Business 99E in Salem, OR uses the Salem Parkway, Commercial/Liberty Street, Front Street and Mission Street (multiplexed with Oregon 22); the original alignment for 99E was Portland Road, Summer/Capitol Streets, Marion/Center Streets, then Commercial/Liberty Streets south out of town.  If the current business loop did not use Front Street, then six blocks of Commercial/Liberty would be on the historical routing.