Interstate 210/ CA 210

[Interstate Trav]

I was wondering two things about the 210,

1.  When is the portion from the 57 East to the 10 going to be signed as Interstate 210?

2.  Why is the Control City on 210 East only Redlands, why doesn't a mileage sign or overhead sign, mention Palm Springs or Indio, as that is the next Control point for Interstate 10 east.  Similiar to how Sacramento becomes the control point on 210 west towards the 5 in Newhall.

[rschen7754]

Haven't heard anything on CA-210/I-210 for ages. I went on CA 210 within the last month, and it was still CA 210.

[myosh_tino]

I'm wondering if Caltrans is waiting to complete the route 905 freeway in near the US/Mexico border and then submit both routes to AASHTO for inclusion in the Interstate system.

[Interstate Trav]

I was just on the 210 from Redlands to Pasadena, a couple of weeks ago, and it's still CA 210, but there is one overpass, with a sign that has an Interstate Sheild and an arrow Saying 210 San Bernardino, near the LA/SBD County line.
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I'm wondering if Caltrans is waiting to complete the route 905 freeway in near the US/Mexico border and then submit both routes to AASHTO for inclusion in the Interstate system.

I'm not very familiar with how Caltran's works, so sorry if this is a dumb question, do they like to try to submit more then one freeway at once into the Interstae system, or wait until another project is finished to submit them both?

[oscar]

I thought the plan was to finish up all the construction at the 210/215 interchange, before applying for AASHTO approval?

[Interstate Trav]

I thought the plan was to finish up all the construction at the 210/215 interchange, before applying for AASHTO approval?

Did you read that anywhere?

[myosh_tino]

I thought the plan was to finish up all the construction at the 210/215 interchange, before applying for AASHTO approval?

IIRC, they ran into seismic problems (read: earthquakes) which delayed the project.  Construction work was originally scheduled to end in 2011 but that's been pushed back to 2013 at the earliest.

I'm not very familiar with how Caltran's works, so sorry if this is a dumb question, do they like to try to submit more then one freeway at once into the Interstate system, or wait until another project is finished to submit them both?

Neither am I but it does make some sense because you would think there would be some savings by prepping the paperwork for both routes at the same time.  Especially since the route 905 freeway is scheduled to be completed in mid-2012.

[TheStranger]

I thought the plan was to finish up all the construction at the 210/215 interchange, before applying for AASHTO approval?

IIRC, they ran into seismic problems (read: earthquakes) which delayed the project.  Construction work was originally scheduled to end in 2011 but that's been pushed back to 2013 at the earliest.

I'm not very familiar with how Caltran's works, so sorry if this is a dumb question, do they like to try to submit more then one freeway at once into the Interstate system, or wait until another project is finished to submit them both?

Neither am I but it does make some sense because you would think there would be some savings by prepping the paperwork for both routes at the same time.  Especially since the route 905 freeway is scheduled to be completed in mid-2012.

In that vein, is there any update on the conversion of State Route 15 (Wabash Boulevard/Escondido Freeway) to I-15 in San Diego?  I've read it was pending interchange upgrades at 15/94 (which, in its current substandard state, actually isn't even the original configuration of that junction from what I've seen on Historicaerials) but I didn't see any upgrade work at all when I went down that corridor in October.

I could imagine 905, 210, and 15 all becoming Interstates at the same time.  (Not to speculate, but when the fourth bore of the Caldecott is finished, I'm also curious what'll happen to 980/24).

Last time a state route got re-signed to Interstate in California was probably 215 (former 395) south of 60, and that was 18 years ago.

[blawp]

I feel like CA 60 from 15 to the east la interchange should be I-310

[bulkyorled]

I actually live off the 210 near Sunland Blvd and the only thing I think is weird is that going West that the control city is San Fernando when it technically doesn't touch the city it should be Sylmar or at least not even mentioned such as how the 118 is for some reason.

[Henry]

I haven't been back to SoCal for some time. So this would mean the end for CA 30 in that area, when I-210 is completed, or has that happened already?

[agentsteel53]

I actually live off the 210 near Sunland Blvd and the only thing I think is weird is that going West that the control city is San Fernando when it technically doesn't touch the city it should be Sylmar or at least not even mentioned such as how the 118 is for some reason.

that section of 210 was once numbered 118, so the use of the 118 control city is an artifact.

[JustDrive]

I haven't been back to SoCal for some time. So this would mean the end for CA 30 in that area, when I-210 is completed, or has that happened already?

CA 30 no longer exists.  I guess Caltrans is waiting for the 210-215 interchange to be completed before applying for interstate designation.

[hm insulators]

I haven't been back to SoCal for some time. So this would mean the end for CA 30 in that area, when I-210 is completed, or has that happened already?

California 30 has been gone for a long time.

[bulkyorled]

that section of 210 was once numbered 118, so the use of the 118 control city is an artifact.

Ah that's true. I forgot about this.
I even saw the picture of it and I said it anyways haha

[hm insulators]

Is that sign still there? I don't remember from last time I was in that area.

[bulkyorled]

No its gone now, it was taken away a few months ago. I remember seeing it quite a while ago but not anymore

They probably took it out when they put up the new sign which you can kind of see in the background of that pic

[hm insulators]

Darn! That was a neat old sign dating back to when I was little, long before the 210 was even built!

[agentsteel53]

Darn! That was a neat old sign dating back to when I was little, long before the 210 was even built!

C-62 on the back of that one.  I believe it disappeared sometime between the summer of 2008, and March, 2009.

as far as I know, there is are only two old white shields left. 

One is on CA-170 southbound at CA-134 - next three exits guide sign in the median. 

The other is this, made by the city of San Diego, and I forget exactly where, but it is very likely old.

[CenVlyDave]

Also heard that CA-210 is to be re-submitted for interstate status after last 2 connections to I-215 were completed.  The NB I-215 to WB CA-210 connector opened back in Dec.  I drive thru the interchange weekly and it looks like the final connection (EB CA-210 to SB I-215) is about to be completed most anytime now.  Just wish construction would move faster! 

[Interstate Trav]

One thing that never got addressed though, was does anyone else wonder why only Redlands is the Control Point for 210 East Bound?  Shouldn't Palm Springs or Indio show up on atleast a mileage sign, especailly if 210 is a bypass for Los Angeles.

[TheStranger]

One thing that never got addressed though, was does anyone else wonder why only Redlands is the Control Point for 210 East Bound?  Shouldn't Palm Springs or Indio show up on atleast a mileage sign, especailly if 210 is a bypass for Los Angeles.

Local control cities seem to be preferred for some routes (i.e. why 60 is not signed for Indio until Riverside) - CalTrans practice tends to emphasize the nearest major destination first, before any longer-distance ones.  (i.e. Route 85 is signed for primarily Gilroy, not Los Angeles, southbound)

Only exception to this is the usage of Sacramento for 405 and 170.

[agentsteel53]

Local control cities seem to be preferred for some routes (i.e. why 60 is not signed for Indio until Riverside) - CalTrans practice tends to emphasize the nearest major destination first, before any longer-distance ones.  (i.e. Route 85 is signed for primarily Gilroy, not Los Angeles, southbound)

Only exception to this is the usage of Sacramento for 405 and 170.

Sacramento is seen on 210 as well for similar reasons. 

California has a special aversion to out-of-state destinations (Blythe or "other desert cities" before Phoenix, despite Blythe having no appreciable population, certainly not anything giving rise to a need to sign it from 200 miles away) and as for international destinations, I can think of some distance signs for Ensenada and San Felipe, but as for an actual control city... Caltrans would rather leave it blank, as in the case of 805 southbound, which could certainly be signed Tijuana, BC.

[TheStranger]

Sacramento is seen on 210 as well for similar reasons. 

Curious: I get that the switch from "Bakersfield" to "Sacramento" in the mid-80s for 5 north came around with understanding that 5 itself doesn't pass through Bakersfield, where 99 does (and 99 no longer continues to Los Angeles)...

...but Sacramento's further at the southernmost point it's signed for (downtown Los Angeles on the Hollywood Freeway/US 101) than Phoenix!!!!  Going by the logic that has Pomona and San Bernardino and Santa Ana as the downtown-area control cities, Bakersfield remains logical.

If anything, Bakersfield is a way more direct control city (as the Golden State Freeway corridor continues there) than say, the usage of "San Francisco" off of Route 120 west in Manteca.

California has a special aversion to out-of-state destinations (Blythe or "other desert cities" before Phoenix, despite Blythe having no appreciable population, certainly not anything giving rise to a need to sign it from 200 miles away) and as for international destinations, I can think of some distance signs for Ensenada and San Felipe, but as for an actual control city... Caltrans would rather leave it blank, as in the case of 805 southbound, which could certainly be signed Tijuana, BC.

Needles for I-40 fits this model too.

At the most extreme IMO is I-80's west terminus, where Sacramento is still only 89 miles away, yet doesn't show up at all (only Bay Bridge/Oakland).  Definitely the polar opposite of say, the famous I-85/Atlanta sign in Petersburg, VA.

[Henry]

When was CA 30 decommissioned on the easternmost stretch of CA 210?

Definitely the polar opposite of say, the famous I-85/Atlanta sign in Petersburg, VA.

Also the same location where I-95/Miami first appears.