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Highway-advance signs with no control cities

Started by golden eagle, June 03, 2012, 03:25:07 PM

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Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on June 04, 2012, 09:29:31 PMHow exit ahead signs with no routes nor 'control cities.'

There's a few such exits off of I-84 in the Columbia Gorge in Oregon, but they lack any advance signage and have just a sign ("Service Road", "Dalton Point") right at the exit to identify it.  I believe those two examples also are not numbered exits.  There's another one just west of Hood River that is essentially a private road for a few homes that are otherwise inaccessible.


PHLBOS

IIRC, many exit signs along the OH Turnpike only list the route number(s) but no control cities/destinations.
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golden eagle

Quote from: huskeroadgeek on June 04, 2012, 01:23:28 PM
Quote from: Special K on June 04, 2012, 11:21:45 AM
Is the question about "control cities" or just destinations?  Control Cities are major traffic-generating cities along a route.  The OP cites I-220 in Jackson, MS, which is a connecting route from I-20 to I-55 serving only the Jackson metropolitan area, thus the major traffic-generating city on that route is Jackson, itself and probably wouldn't make sense to use as a "control city".
Some states though put control cities on such routes based on the routes they connect with. Since I-220 functions as a connection from I-55 north of Jackson to I-20 west of Jackson, you could use Grenada for I-220 North(which is the control city for I-55 North in Jackson) and Vicksburg for I-220 South(which is the control city for I-20 West in Jackson).

I like Husker's explanation. The two 3di interstates in MS (the aforementioned 220 and I-110 in Biloxi) have no control cities. However, states around us (as well as many others) do sign their 3di's. Maybe not all of them, but the ones I've seen do.

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bulkyorled


CA118 as far as I use it from the start at the 210 all the way to Topanga Cyn Blvd exit its unmarked. There is one, the onramp from I-5 North to 118 West says Simi Valley but it's the only one
Pic is just an example of, one of many of the 118 signs with no control city
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Signs Im looking for: CA only; 1, 2, 14, 118, 134, 170, 210 (CA), and any california city illuminated sign.

PHLBOS

Quote from: bulkyorled on June 06, 2012, 03:19:00 AM

CA118 as far as I use it from the start at the 210 all the way to Topanga Cyn Blvd exit its unmarked. There is one, the onramp from I-5 North to 118 West says Simi Valley but it's the only one
Pic is just an example of, one of many of the 118 signs with no control city
Your example is that of a pull-through sign; which is a lot more common not to have control destinations on them.  I believe the OP's more interested in advance Exit/Interchange signs.
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golden eagle

^^

I'm cool with the pull-through signs.

PHLBOS

Quote from: golden eagle on June 06, 2012, 08:23:23 AM
^^
I'm cool with the pull-through signs.
Then, be prepared to get a lot more postings (is that your goal?).  There's a ton of pull-through signs that don't list control destinations around.
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agentsteel53

#33
Quote from: US71 on June 05, 2012, 11:24:21 AM


I've seen those along I-90 in South Dakota.  US 67/167 in North Little Rock used to have an "Exit 2"  before the most recent rebuild

what does exit 2 serve in Little Rock?  a ranch?

I am surprised exit 191 is gone off I-25.  It was very substandard, but when I last drove it (2006) there was nothing there.
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huskeroadgeek

Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 06, 2012, 01:10:53 PM
Quote from: US71 on June 05, 2012, 11:24:21 AM


I've seen those along I-90 in South Dakota.  US 67/167 in North Little Rock used to have an "Exit 2"  before the most recent rebuild

what does exit 2 serve in Little Rock?  a ranch?

It's just a ramp off of northbound US 67/167 connecting with the frontage road. Because there is no cross street nearby, there really wasn't any particular street or destination that made sense to put on the exit sign. They used to sign exit 3 for both Wildwood Ave. and Trammel Rd., but now they sign exit 2 for Trammel Rd. and exit 3 only for Wildwood Ave. because the current configuration of the ramp off of exit 3 does not allow traffic to turn left onto Trammel Rd-so the only way to access Trammel Rd. off of US 67/167 is to get off at exit 2.

bassoon1986

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on June 04, 2012, 09:29:31 PM
How exit ahead signs with no routes nor 'control cities.'


I-40 EB in New Mexico



In Texas, I guess it would get named Frontage Rd.

Brandon

Quote from: PHLBOS on June 05, 2012, 04:29:25 PM
IIRC, many exit signs along the OH Turnpike only list the route number(s) but no control cities/destinations.

And the mainline control was "THRU TRAFFIC".  Last time I was on the Turnpike, the OTC had some newer signs with a control "city".
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golden eagle

Quote from: PHLBOS on June 06, 2012, 12:21:17 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on June 06, 2012, 08:23:23 AM
^^
I'm cool with the pull-through signs.
Then, be prepared to get a lot more postings (is that your goal?). 

That never crossed my mind for even a millisecond.

SSOWorld

Quote from: Brandon on June 06, 2012, 07:45:53 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 05, 2012, 04:29:25 PM
IIRC, many exit signs along the OH Turnpike only list the route number(s) but no control cities/destinations.

And the mainline control was "THRU TRAFFIC".  Last time I was on the Turnpike, the OTC had some newer signs with a control "city".
The pattern is/was:
2 miles out - marker - no control city
1 mile out marker and control city
1/2 mile out - marker and control city (NEXT RIGHT)
at exit - THRU TRAFFIC (ahead) Marker, control city EXIT ONLY (even if no lane was there)
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#40
Quote from: Master son on June 06, 2012, 11:12:46 PM
Quote from: Brandon on June 06, 2012, 07:45:53 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 05, 2012, 04:29:25 PM
IIRC, many exit signs along the OH Turnpike only list the route number(s) but no control cities/destinations.

And the mainline control was "THRU TRAFFIC".  Last time I was on the Turnpike, the OTC had some newer signs with a control "city".
The pattern is/was:
2 miles out - marker - no control city
1 mile out marker and control city
1/2 mile out - marker and control city (NEXT RIGHT)
at exit - THRU TRAFFIC (ahead) Marker, control city EXIT ONLY (even if no lane was there)

THRU TRAFFIC is slowly disappearing and being replaced by control cities on pull-throughs (e.g., Toledo westbound until I-280, then Chicago; Toledo eastbound until there then Cleveland until I-90 leaves, then Youngstown) and the new pull-throughs usually don't have arrows down at the thru lanes and are therefore a lot smaller than the previous THRU TRAFFIC ones which were wide enough to point down at 3 lanes.

Another peculiarity of the EXIT ONLY on the signs at almost all the exits is that EXIT ONLY is in white on green, not black on yellow--and indeed as said above, there is almost never an actual exit-only lane!  The exception is westbound after the mainline toll barrier at the exit for OH 49 (exit 2, I think--not numbered in the field) which actually does have a yellow field.  It lacks a control city, but so does all the other signage for that exit.  (OH 49 is the amazing route that you cross on so many cross-state roads; I-70 and US 30 multiplex with it, and the Turnpike's exit for it is so notable as it's near the state line and is a diamond interchange on a road dominated by traditional ticket-tollway trumpets.)
Also, when the new pull-throughs are installed, the bad white-on-green EXIT ONLY seems to be disappearing.

See a couple photos below for examples.  The two-mile advance is standard fare for a two-mile advance....route shield and distance only.  There are some that differ (like major exits like 480 and 90 east) but many are still like this.







P.S. a few older pics of mine that are on Steve's site show the old, wide THRU TRAFFIC sign and the strange white/green EXIT ONLY over perfectly ordinary decel lanes (not lane drops).  They are the ones at the top of the linked page.

bulkyorled

Quote from: PHLBOS on June 06, 2012, 08:09:16 AM
Quote from: bulkyorled on June 06, 2012, 03:19:00 AM

CA118 as far as I use it from the start at the 210 all the way to Topanga Cyn Blvd exit its unmarked. There is one, the onramp from I-5 North to 118 West says Simi Valley but it's the only one
Pic is just an example of, one of many of the 118 signs with no control city
Your example is that of a pull-through sign; which is a lot more common not to have control destinations on them.  I believe the OP's more interested in advance Exit/Interchange signs.

I just used  that as an example. None of them have a control city except 1 for West, East is never mentioned.
Which could be Sylmar/San Fernando
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Signs Im looking for: CA only; 1, 2, 14, 118, 134, 170, 210 (CA), and any california city illuminated sign.

PHLBOS

#42
Quote from: Brandon on June 06, 2012, 07:45:53 PM
And the mainline control was "THRU TRAFFIC".  Last time I was on the Turnpike, the OTC had some newer signs with a control "city".
NJ Turnpike is another highway that still uses "THRU TRAFFIC" as a control destination on its pull-through signs.  As a matter of fact, nearly 2 weeks ago I saw one new not-yet-erected (it was laying parallel to the roadway but clearly visible) overhead sign gantry for EXIT 7A  (I-195) that has the pull-through sign message read as *NJTP shield* SOUTH THRU TRAFFIC.

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cpzilliacus

#43
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 07, 2012, 08:32:17 AM
Quote from: Brandon on June 06, 2012, 07:45:53 PM
And the mainline control was "THRU TRAFFIC".  Last time I was on the Turnpike, the OTC had some newer signs with a control "city".
NJ Turnpike is another highway that still uses "THRU TRAFFIC" as a control destination on its pull-through signs.  As a matter of fact, nearly 2 weeks ago I saw one new not-yet-erected (it was laying parallel to the roadway but clearly visible) overhead sign gantry for EXIT 7A  (I-195) that has the pull-through sign message read as *NJTP shield* SOUTH THRU TRAFFIC.

There's at least one similar sign on the southbound four-lane section of the N.J. Turnpike between Exits 4 and 1 that reads [Turnpike shield] and "Wilmington" (why it does not read "Delaware Turnpike" or just "Delaware," given how well the N.J. Turnpike is "advertised" on the northbound (really eastbound) Delaware Turnpike is beyond me).
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tidecat

I believe there's at least one exit for US 60 on I-64 in Eastern Kentucky that lists no cities.  There's also an exit on I-71 that lists a state highway with no destinations, not too far from the Kentucky Speedway.

The High Plains Traveler

Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 06, 2012, 01:10:53 PM

I am surprised exit 191 is gone off I-25.  It was very substandard, but when I last drove it (2006) there was nothing there.
It disappeared about 4 years ago along with exit 193, and was replaced with exit 192, RidgeGate Pkwy. Even after I-25 was reconstructed through that area in the early naughts, it was still more like a RIRO turn than an actual interchange; obviously it was intended to be temporary. As you can tell from the oddly capitalized name, this was part of a new commercial/residential development. Most of the area along I-25 between Lone Tree and Castle Rock, I believe, is still preserved as "open space". I was never sure where the road connected to exit 191 went, or what it was actually called, but it was very strange to have such an unnamed exit on the fringe of a major metropolitan area.
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Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on June 07, 2012, 11:31:36 PM
RidgeGate Pkwy.

NoThing says SuburbanSprawl more than InnerCaps.  except if it were given some kind of pseudo-medieval name like ThornePointe or something.
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PHLBOS

Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 07, 2012, 08:53:39 PMThere's at least one similar sign on the southbound four-lane section of the N.J. Turnpike between Exits 4 and 1 that reads [Turnpike shield] and "Wilmington" (why it does not read "Delaware Turnpike" or just "Delaware," given how well the N.J. Turnpike is "advertised" on the northbound (really eastbound) Delaware Turnpike is beyond me).
Actually, the use of Wilmington as a control city for NJTP is MUTCD-appropriate/compliant.  It's worth noting that Delaware used to be listed NJTP control destination but, like everywhere else (I'm aware of the exception of some I-95 gantries in NH); the NJTP is shying away from using state names for control destinations.

It's worth noting that there's a couple of new NJTP pull-through sign at Exit 6 (PA Turnpike Connector/Future I-95 split) that list Camden & Wilmington as control cities.

As far as not using Delaware Turnpike for a control destination for the NJTP is concerned; since the entire length (11 miles) of it is I-95 and was contructed concurrently with other Interstates, this was a case where the route number resonated more with people than the street name.

In contrast, most of the NJTP was originally constructed before the Interstate Highway Act of 1956 was signed into law and (even with the extended I-95 designation down to Exit 6) not all of it is designated as an Interstate highway.
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hbelkins

#48
Quote from: tidecat on June 07, 2012, 11:13:40 PM
I believe there's at least one exit for US 60 on I-64 in Eastern Kentucky that lists no cities.

There are actually two of those. One is Exit 101 in Clark County, between Winchester and Mt. Sterling. The other is in Boyd County, west of Ashland.

QuoteThere's also an exit on I-71 that lists a state highway with no destinations, not too far from the Kentucky Speedway.

That sign now lists Vevay, In. Clearview lettering was added when the route connecting the exit to the Markland Dam Bridge was completed.

The Mountain Parkway has a couple of signs with only route numbers. One exit is westbound only for KY 134 and KY 191, the other is for KY 30. Both are on the two-lane portion. The Hal Rogers Parkway exits for KY 66 and KY 451 are the same way.
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bassoon1986

Louisiana only has a couple of exits with only highway numbers.
I-49:
Exit 7 just uses LA 182.
Exit 132 says LA 478 (also an unpaved road past the interstate.)   

Also on US 90:

below Morgan City exit 185 says LA 662 TO LA 182
near Houma exit 200 is only LA 311



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