Why doesn\'t the Pomona Freeway / Long Beach Freeway interchange get any love?

[blawp]

It's one of the few older 4 level stacks in Los Angeles is it not?
Post Merge: July 07, 2012, 09:13:38 PM
When was it constructed? Not too soon after the 4-level right?

[national highway 1]

It's one of the few older 4 level stacks in Los Angeles is it not?
Post Merge: July 07, 2012, 09:13:38 PM
When was it constructed? Not too soon after the 4-level right?

Because it, like many other California freeway junctions, deteriorates quickly over time. lOl.   

[Bigmikelakers]

Whats wrong with it? Its better than a lot of other interchanges in LA. I-10/I-605, US-101/I-405, and I-5/CA-110 are much worse.

The four level opened in 1953. The 710/60 interchange opened in 1967.

[mcdonaat]

Seems like every time I've gone to California, it's been gridlock, terrible highways, and pollution. Then again, the same can be said about Houston.

I use a cloverleaf daily that was built in 1938, no bumps or deterioration. Also use a freeway built in 1956 that has remained unchanged, and a road-rail bridge constructed in 1938. You guys replace stuff too quickly!

[Occidental Tourist]

It could have something to do with the terrific neighborhood in which it's located.

[Interstate Trav]

I'm guessing not many people like either of those freeways.  I think it's a cool interchange though.

[DTComposer]

I use a cloverleaf daily that was built in 1938, no bumps or deterioration. Also use a freeway built in 1956 that has remained unchanged, and a road-rail bridge constructed in 1938. You guys replace stuff too quickly!

Since I'm assuming this cloverleaf is somewhere in the Monroe area, I would be curious what the total number of vehicles that have used that cloverleaf since 1938 is, and compare that to the total number of vehicles that have used an average interchange in metropolitan Los Angeles over the last 50-60 years. It's easy for infrastructure to remain in pristine shape when its usage is not that high.

This is no way defending Caltrans or MTA or any other agency who is responsible for the roads here - but L.A. has interchanges that handle more cars per day than the entire population of Ouachita Parish - several times more, in fact.

[JustDrive]

It could have something to do with the terrific neighborhood in which it's located.

The East L.A. interchange is only about 3 miles west, and it's a lot more notable than the 60/710 stack.  And in an even worse neighborhood.

[agentsteel53]

what sort of traffic really uses the 60/710 interchange?  the only time I've ever used it is to avoid traffic on I-5 by taking 60E to 710S... other than that, I cannot imagine myself using it, mainly because 1) 710 is not completed north of 10, and 2) 60 has generally worse traffic than 10.

going 710 north - if I am to hit 60 east, it means I'm heading to somewhere which I likely will have gotten to more efficiently using 57 or 10.  to hit 60 west ... I'd be heading to the East LA and I may as well take 10, as usually the 10W-5N merge is nicer than the 60W-5N, and same reasoning applies to get on 101.

going 710 south - really?  I got onto 710 from 10 or Valley Boulevard and now I'm going to get off on 60?  am I drunk?  60 east is worse than 10 east, and 60 west takes me to the East LA, which I could've more easily accessed via 10.

going 60 east - getting on 710 north implies I'm going to take 10 instead, but in that case I'd have taken the 10 from the East LA.  710 south implies I'm avoiding a bad segment of I-5: the first mile or so of the Santa Ana freeway.  completely valid.  (or I biffed the lane configuration and got on 60 by accident and need to get on I-5 again - but if I am smart enough to know that 710 connects me back to 5, I'm also likely smart enough to know that the leftmost lane of I-5 south becomes 60.)

going 60 west - I might jump on 10 (via 710 north) instead to get a better angle on the East LA, but I likely would have done that well before 710.  or if I am to get onto 710 south, shouldn't I have taken 605?

if 710 is completed, the 710/60 would be used more, as traffic would use 60W-710N-210W as a bypass of the East LA Interchange, but with that gap, the 710/60 is useful mostly for local traffic, and maybe a few cases of avoiding traffic on 10.  but since 10 is usually better than 60 in that area... it results in the 710/60 being a not particularly memorable interchange.

[Interstate Trav]

It could have something to do with the terrific neighborhood in which it's located.

The East L.A. interchange is only about 3 miles west, and it's a lot more notable than the 60/710 stack.  And in an even worse neighborhood.

Good point, the East LA Interchange is a lot more known.

[Interstate Trav]

what sort of traffic really uses the 60/710 interchange?  the only time I've ever used it is to avoid traffic on I-5 by taking 60E to 710S... other than that, I cannot imagine myself using it, mainly because 1) 710 is not completed north of 10, and 2) 60 has generally worse traffic than 10.

going 710 north - if I am to hit 60 east, it means I'm heading to somewhere which I likely will have gotten to more efficiently using 57 or 10.  to hit 60 west ... I'd be heading to the East LA and I may as well take 10, as usually the 10W-5N merge is nicer than the 60W-5N, and same reasoning applies to get on 101.

going 710 south - really?  I got onto 710 from 10 or Valley Boulevard and now I'm going to get off on 60?  am I drunk?  60 east is worse than 10 east, and 60 west takes me to the East LA, which I could've more easily accessed via 10.

going 60 east - getting on 710 north implies I'm going to take 10 instead, but in that case I'd have taken the 10 from the East LA.  710 south implies I'm avoiding a bad segment of I-5: the first mile or so of the Santa Ana freeway.  completely valid.  (or I biffed the lane configuration and got on 60 by accident and need to get on I-5 again - but if I am smart enough to know that 710 connects me back to 5, I'm also likely smart enough to know that the leftmost lane of I-5 south becomes 60.)

going 60 west - I might jump on 10 (via 710 north) instead to get a better angle on the East LA, but I likely would have done that well before 710.  or if I am to get onto 710 south, shouldn't I have taken 605?

if 710 is completed, the 710/60 would be used more, as traffic would use 60W-710N-210W as a bypass of the East LA Interchange, but with that gap, the 710/60 is useful mostly for local traffic, and maybe a few cases of avoiding traffic on 10.  but since 10 is usually better than 60 in that area... it results in the 710/60 being a not particularly memorable interchange.

When I used to drive that area a lot, and I had to head inland sometimes you take 710 North to 60 East.  I myself prefer taking the 710 North to 10 East, but a lot of people seem to think the 60 is better then the 10, when the 60 actually seems to be worse.  That might explain the stack, and why the 10, 710 interchange isn't a complete stack.

It's access from Long Beach to the Inland Empire.

[agentsteel53]

When I used to drive that area a lot, and I had to head inland sometimes you take 710 North to 60 East.  I myself prefer taking the 710 North to 10 East, but a lot of people seem to think the 60 is better then the 10, when the 60 actually seems to be worse.  That might explain the stack, and why the 10, 710 interchange isn't a complete stack.

It's access from Long Beach to the Inland Empire.

I can understand avoiding 91, but you wouldn't use 605? 

[Interstate Trav]

When I used to drive that area a lot, and I had to head inland sometimes you take 710 North to 60 East.  I myself prefer taking the 710 North to 10 East, but a lot of people seem to think the 60 is better then the 10, when the 60 actually seems to be worse.  That might explain the stack, and why the 10, 710 interchange isn't a complete stack.

It's access from Long Beach to the Inland Empire.

I can understand avoiding 91, but you wouldn't use 605? 

From the San Pedro Side, I would use 710.  Sometimes, mainly because 605 is very congested. 
If your near the 710 or Queen Mary area 710 can be better then 605.

Or sometimes from the City of Commerce to the Inland Empire.  i remember driving from a Train Yard off of 710 to Barstow and most people would reccomend taking 710 to 60.

[Occidental Tourist]

It could have something to do with the terrific neighborhood in which it's located.

The East L.A. interchange is only about 3 miles west, and it's a lot more notable than the 60/710 stack.  And in an even worse neighborhood.

Having driven the area quite a bit, I disagree.  Neither are garden spots, but the East LA Interchange is at least on the northern end of industrial areas, so there's visibility and you get a lot of truck traffic through there, especially on Soto and Olympic.  The 710/60 interchange is smack-dab in the middle of East LA and half a block from the Maravilla Projects.  Don't break down there at night, yo.

[agentsteel53]

Don't break down there at night, yo.

a completely oversensationalized concern, dude-bro.  your greatest risk breaking down by the side of the road anywhere is getting hit by another car. 

[JustDrive]

The 60/710 stack is right above King Taco, which after all these years, is still one of my preferred Mexican food places.  What does the East L.A. interchange have?  Pioneer Chicken on Soto and Whittier?

[Occidental Tourist]

The 60/710 stack is right above King Taco, which after all these years, is still one of my preferred Mexican food places.  What does the East L.A. interchange have?  Pioneer Chicken on Soto and Whittier?

Sadly, there's no Pollo Campero really close to either one.

[J N Winkler]

I don't think I-710/SR 60 was the second Maltese cross stack interchange in California--I think that distinction instead belongs to I-10/I-405 near Santa Monica (opened 1965), which was also the first major freeway interchange for which the lead designer was a woman.