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Only in this state....

Started by cjk374, December 13, 2012, 04:39:44 PM

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AsphaltPlanet

Does any other state (jurisdiction) stripe their TWLTL's like this?

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roadman65

Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on December 23, 2012, 12:56:00 PM
Does any other state (jurisdiction) stripe their TWLTL's like this?


I like the inverted center turn lane sign on the side of the road to match the unusual striping.
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Quote from: doofy103 on December 23, 2012, 10:42:21 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 21, 2012, 01:09:50 PM
I did not know that a TWLTL (or center turn lane) could or should be used as an intermediate stop when turning left across traffic until I saw an informational brochure published by the state of Kansas a few years ago. Since then, I frequently make left turns this way. Cross the lane coming from left to right and get in the center turn lane, then either stop or drive slowly until there's a safe opening in the right-to-left lane and merge in.



I was thinking as to why the TWLTL is marked the way it is....a double yellow line, the outside is solid and the inside is broken on both sides of the lane. 

Usually the solid yellow line means you cannot cross it and the broken yellow line means you can cross it (too pass)

If I were a traffic engineer I would probably think of a different line marking strategy, of course I have no idea what it would be.  Maybe the inside is broken because you're supposed to turn your way out of it or merge back in.
When the TWLTL was introduced in California (1960s), it was marked with broken double lines on each side. Much like reversible-direction lanes are now marked. The initial guidance to motorists included using the lane as a refuge or merge lane for vehicles turning left to enter the roadway.
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Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on December 23, 2012, 12:56:00 PM
Does any other state (jurisdiction) stripe their TWLTL's like this?



I kmow what they mean by it, but somebody could interpret that to mean a one sided passing zone. 
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silverback1065

Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on December 23, 2012, 12:56:00 PM
Does any other state (jurisdiction) stripe their TWLTL's like this?



where is this?

AsphaltPlanet

Hwy 10, northwest of Toronto, ON.
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roadman65

Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on December 23, 2012, 06:52:03 PM
Hwy 10, northwest of Toronto, ON.
Canada does not have to conform to the FHWA and its MUTCD.  However, it is interesting to see how other countries stripe their pavements.  Good photo.
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roadfro

Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on December 23, 2012, 12:56:00 PM
Does any other state (jurisdiction) stripe their TWLTL's like this?



I've always thought this marking style for center turn lanes would make more sense with the typical meanings of passing lines. I understand the thoughts on whether it would induce passing, though.

Maybe if the format in the picture was used with a dotted line instead of the broken line? Dotted lines are often to denote a lane becomes a burning lane...and for acceleration/deceleration lanes (an arguable second use of the lane).
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AsphaltPlanet

I don't think this configuration induces passing.  There are dozens if not hundreds of lanes such as this across the province, and drivers seem to use them as they have been designed.  This stiping is unique to Ontario though, as far as I know.  Quebec stripes their two way centre turn lanes as the U.S. does.
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cpzilliacus

I like this striping. 

I also like the sign visible on the right side of the image. 

Very clear.  I think even (some) of the addled drivers out there will understand that.
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Alps

Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on December 23, 2012, 07:54:10 PM
I don't think this configuration induces passing.  There are dozens if not hundreds of lanes such as this across the province, and drivers seem to use them as they have been designed.  This stiping is unique to Ontario though, as far as I know.  Quebec stripes their two way centre turn lanes as the U.S. does.
Yeah but drivers are smarter in every other developed country than the US. I would definitely take advantage of a "passing TWLTL" if I were stuck behind someone.

theline

I like the striping from Ontario too. In fact, I was a fairly new driver when they first introduced the bi-directional center turn lane in my area. It confused the heck out of me, and I immediately saw that putting the broken line on my side of the solid line would be the logical marking to me. I'm not supposed to cross over a solid yellow on my side of the broken line, but I can cross over a broken yellow line, when the way is clear. It seems so "right" to me.

We don't have nearly as many smart drivers in Indiana as in Ontario, and I often see drivers stop in the through lane to make their left turn. I'm thinking they do so because of that solid yellow line.

msubulldog

Isn't it true that gore points at exits in Nebraska have "EXIT" in the top panel and the number in the bottom one where the arrow is?
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corco

Yes, this is a typical Nebraska exit sign

vtk

That's just downright goofy.
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J N Winkler

To the best of my knowledge, this practice exists only in Washington state:  using community interchanges signs (which are designed for use on freeways only) on state highways which pass through towns as surface arterials.  There are multiple examples on US 101 and US 97.

A community interchanges sign has essentially the same format as an interchange sequence sign, except there is a top panel saying "[Name of community] Exits" or similar.
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Brandon

Quote from: corco on December 25, 2012, 03:36:41 PM
Yes, this is a typical Nebraska exit sign


If the NDOR removed the tab with the word "EXIT" in them, the exit gore signs would be very similar to Ontario's.
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jcarte29

Quote from: myosh_tino on December 16, 2012, 11:47:37 PM
Quote from: bugo on December 16, 2012, 10:34:38 PM
In Oklahoma, many entrance ramps to freeways are continuous and become exit only lanes for the next exit.  These are great because you have until the next exit to merge over, instead of having to worry about the entrance merge ramp ending before the exit lane begins.  Is this unique to Oklahoma or do other states use this setup?
In California, these are called an "auxiliary lane" and they are quite common here.  In fact there is a current construction project on US 101 from route 85 in Mountain View to the San Mateo county line to add these auxiliary lanes in both directions.

I've seen this in both NC and GA as well, and for NC it was on Green 40 in Winston and I-40 in some places too.

Which goes to my next point, only NC has such a love affair with green interstates and hardly have any 3di.

One of the 3di though, I-540 in Raleigh, is just silly since half of it now is "NC 540" with a toll...and it may or may not be changed to I-640 one day, next century probably.
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kphoger

Quote from: corco on December 25, 2012, 03:36:41 PM
Yes, this is a typical Nebraska exit sign


But it makes more intuitive sense:  You read "EXIT" and then the number "1"; you say "EXIT" and then the number "1".  The other way around, the sign really says "314A EXIT" or what have you.

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Special K

Quote from: vtk on December 25, 2012, 04:40:02 PM
That's just downright goofy.

Not really.  It makes the exit number more readable due to its larger text size.   It's actually a logical transitional step from the old standard gore sign to the current one.

vtk

Quote from: Special K on December 26, 2012, 12:57:20 PM
Quote from: vtk on December 25, 2012, 04:40:02 PM
That's just downright goofy.

Not really.  It makes the exit number more readable due to its larger text size.   It's actually a logical transitional step from the old standard gore sign to the current one.

Just make one big rectangle to contain all those elements at the size in the picture.  Putting the word "exit" in a panel 90% as wide as the rest of the sign makes a goofy pear shape that has a pointless dividing line across it.
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Brandon

Quote from: vtk on December 26, 2012, 04:04:31 PM
Quote from: Special K on December 26, 2012, 12:57:20 PM
Quote from: vtk on December 25, 2012, 04:40:02 PM
That's just downright goofy.

Not really.  It makes the exit number more readable due to its larger text size.   It's actually a logical transitional step from the old standard gore sign to the current one.

Just make one big rectangle to contain all those elements at the size in the picture.  Putting the word "exit" in a panel 90% as wide as the rest of the sign makes a goofy pear shape that has a pointless dividing line across it.

Why even have the word "EXIT" in the gore sign at all?  Just do like Ontario and use the number with an arrow.  Nebraska's is a step between the two as I see it.
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Scott5114

Stupid people might assume that is the exit for Route 1 or something asinine like that.
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Brandon

Quote from: Scott5114 on December 26, 2012, 06:24:16 PM
Stupid people might assume that is the exit for Route 1 or something asinine like that.

Only in New England from what I've seen, and even then they use an arrow through the number.  For some reason Ontarioans seem to get it, and they're about as bad as any other drivers from the US or Canada.
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AsphaltPlanet

Ontario's Hwy 401 has an exit # 401, which evidently has caused some confusion.  At the bullnose (gore), the 401 exit signs were replaced with generic exit signs that just read 'Exit' and supplementary guidance signs were installed in the median to remind through traffic not to follow the exit.

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