State highway 13

[Doctor Whom]

Not only does VA 13 still exist despite US 13 also being in the state, there were briefly two of them at once!
http://www.vahighways.com/route-log/va013.htm

Virginia also has a 69, an unsigned 420, and various secondary routes numbered 666.

[Alps]

Meanwhile, two threads come together...

[Humor] TheOnion.com:  Ray LaHood Resigns Following Mysterious Disappearance Of Country Road

Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood announced his resignation from the Obama Administration earlier this morning following his alleged involvement in the recent disappearance of U.S. Route 13.

[Eth]

GA 13 is alive and well, connecting Atlanta and Gainesville along the US 23/I-985 corridor, including an old alignment of I-85 at its south end.

The only unused two-digit number in the state is...yep, 69. It used to exist as a very short connector (about a mile) from NC 69 at the state line to US 76. It was overlaid with an extension of GA 17 in 1955 before being removed in the late 1950s.

[agentsteel53]

an old alignment of I-85 at its south end.

awesome!  never knew that.  any signage that has evidence of I-85 still survive?

[Stephane Dumas]

Quebec had once a PQ-13 going from the VT border to Cowansville, Granby, Acton Vale, Drummondville, St-Celestin, Becancour, was extended to PQ-2 (now PQ-138) when the Laviolette bridge opened. Was renumbered PQ-139 from the VT border to Drummondville, PQ-122 and PQ-155 during the big renumbering of the early-to-mid 1970s.

Currently, there A-13 going from Dorval to St-Eustache, originally planned to reach A-50 to Mirabel. 

[Urban Prairie Schooner]

LA 13 lives. However, LA 32 has been missing since the late 1950s or so.

[NE2]

awesome!  never knew that.  any signage that has evidence of I-85 still survive?

I don't know if they're still there, but some of the old exit numbers used to still be posted.

[amh424]

On the national stage, there is U.S. 13 running from Fayetteville, NC to Bristol, PA.

There was an I-13 planned at one point, but it ended up being numbered I-605 around Los Angeles.

[NE2]

There was an I-13 planned at one point

Only as a preliminary submission from Caltrans. Like your parents throwing around baby names and then realizing that Alan is allowed only when prohibited.

[route29]

Alabama 13 is alive and well, although partly hidden by US 43.

[agentsteel53]

There was an I-13 planned at one point

Only as a preliminary submission from Caltrans. Like your parents throwing around baby names and then realizing that Alan is allowed only when prohibited.

it would have rivaled I-97 in length, and thus unsuitability as a 2di.

[NE2]

it would have rivaled I-97 in length, and thus unsuitability as a 2di.

This was apparently before the 3DI rules were defined.

[US81]

Texas had - but no longer has - an SH 13 in the panhandle.

There is still a TX Loop 13 around the southeast side of San Antonio.

[kphoger]

* kphoger wonders if we would all be carrying on a conversation this long about a totally random number, such as 19 or 112.

[kphoger]

. . . I suspected as much. 

[vtk]

Ohio has 19, and I think it has a 112 also.

Personally, I don't consider the number 13 to be particularly special, aside from its primeness.  But were there a thread for comparing the state route 19's in different states, or the 112's, I might chime in anyway.  Still, any such discussion (including this one) really could be mooted by a bit of good-old-fashioned research.

[Kacie Jane]

While I understand the logic behind skipping 13 for hotel floors and airplane rows, I don't necessarily think the same holds for highway numbers -- as this thread shows.  As NE2 mentions, I think a conversation about the number 69 would be more interesting, and not (just) for that reason.  In addition to the states he mentioned, when Oregon finally decided to sign Highway 69, they signed it as Route 569 instead.

For what it's worth, Washington has a 19 and a 112, but no 13.  (No 69 either, but that's because it wouldn't fit in its numbering system.)

[agentsteel53]

While I understand the logic behind skipping 13 for hotel floors and airplane rows

what logic is that?

[NE2]

While I understand the logic behind skipping 13 for hotel floors and airplane rows

what logic is that?

Making paying customers happy, even idiots.

[formulanone]

While I understand the logic behind skipping 13 for hotel floors and airplane rows...

Funny you mention that; I was bored at work one day, and was checking out Delta's fleet and seating plans online. Their numbering consistency along their fleet is unusual...some have a row 13, but others don't. But it really varies on the exact model and specifications of the plane.

For example, the Boeing 737-700/800s do have a row 13, but the 757-200/300s do not (they have 6 rows of First Class, then proceed to row 14).

The 767-300 (standard) has a row 13, but the 767-300ER or 767-400ER (extended range) does not, since it has the lie-flat seating with less overall seats for passengers. It proceeds to row 15 in the main cabin.

Boeing 777s have a row 13 in F, and then it goes sequentially from 1 to 14, then jumps to 31 (?).

The Airbus 319 and 320 just numbers sequentially, with no skip in the numbers (includes 13). The Airbus 330-200/300 is a little different; it has 6 first-class rows, and then seating in the main cabin starts with 10 (and includes 13).

McDonnell-Douglas MD-88 and MD-90 uses a row 13, but I was incorrect; the first class (F) comprises rows 1-4, then the main cabin (Y) starts with 10. I also just noticed that they don't use the MD-87 anymore, so they must have retired them all (last flew on one in 2011).

And the good old DC-9 uses a similar pattern; they have rows 1-4 in F, and Y begins at row 6. What happened to 5 is a mystery to me, but my guess is that either the crew jumpseats are numbered 5, or Delta (or NWA? Republic?) removed them make first class a little more accommodating.

Their CRJ-200 planes jump from row 12 to 14 (which is the last row on the plane, since there's no first class). Basically, they are the only ones to specifically leave out row 13 within the same class of cabin. See below:



United uses a weird seating pattern on their 737s, which hops all over from 1-6 for First Class, and then jumps rows here and there so that all exit rows are the same row numbers along all their aircraft (except for the commuter jets). They call it "numbering consistency", but from what I recall the few times I've flown with them, row 13 seems to get axed.

US Airways seems to include a row 13 on their Boeings and Airbuses.

Southwest also keeps row 13 on their 737s.

[/end silly plane talk]

[kphoger]

Ohio has 19, and I think it has a 112 also.

Personally, I don't consider the number 13 to be particularly special, aside from its primeness.  But were there a thread for comparing the state route 19's in different states, or the 112's, I might chime in anyway.  Still, any such discussion (including this one) really could be mooted by a bit of good-old-fashioned research.

I was thinking earlier today:   For all the time I lived in southern Illinois and drove on IL-13 nearly every day (especially for work, I drove many miles on it), it never even occurred to me that the number was unlucky.

Then again, I think nothing when I mention of a highway numbered 420.  I do notice the number in US-666, but I'm certainly worst/best about spotting that number.  My boss about jumps out of his seat whenever I read a phone number to him of, say, 811-390-6664.  "Uh oh!  Six-six-six!  It's the devil's phone number!"

[PHLBOS]

Funny you mention that; I was bored at work one day, and was checking out Delta's fleet and seating plans online. Their numbering consistency along their fleet is unusual...some have a row 13, but others don't. But it really varies on the exact model and specifications of the plane.

For example, the Boeing 737-700/800s do have a row 13, but the 757-200/300s do not (they have 6 rows of First Class, then proceed to row 14).

The 767-300 (standard) has a row 13, but the 767-300ER or 767-400ER (extended range) does not, since it has the lie-flat seating with less overall seats for passengers. It proceeds to row 15 in the main cabin.

Boeing 777s have a row 13 in F, and then it goes sequentially from 1 to 14, then jumps to 31 (?).

The Airbus 319 and 320 just numbers sequentially, with no skip in the numbers (includes 13). The Airbus 330-200/300 is a little different; it has 6 first-class rows, and then seating in the main cabin starts with 10 (and includes 13).

McDonnell-Douglas MD-88 and MD-90 uses a row 13, but I was incorrect; the first class (F) comprises rows 1-4, then the main cabin (Y) starts with 10. I also just noticed that they don't use the MD-87 anymore, so they must have retired them all (last flew on one in 2011).

And the good old DC-9 uses a similar pattern; they have rows 1-4 in F, and Y begins at row 6. What happened to 5 is a mystery to me, but my guess is that either the crew jumpseats are numbered 5, or Delta (or NWA? Republic?) removed them make first class a little more accommodating.

Their CRJ-200 planes jump from row 12 to 14 (which is the last row on the plane, since there's no first class). Basically, they are the only ones to specifically leave out row 13 within the same class of cabin. See below:



United uses a weird seating pattern on their 737s, which hops all over from 1-6 for First Class, and then jumps rows here and there so that all exit rows are the same row numbers along all their aircraft (except for the commuter jets). They call it "numbering consistency", but from what I recall the few times I've flown with them, row 13 seems to get axed.

US Airways seems to include a row 13 on their Boeings and Airbuses.

Southwest also keeps row 13 on their 737s.

[/end silly plane talk]

The inclusion of a Row 13, is strictly the airlines' call and not that of the plane manufacturers.

I know for a fact that all of AirTran's planes (both the 717 & 737) skip row 13.  The first row in Coach class starts at 10, but skips over to 14 on the fourth row

BTW, Delta never flew the MD-87.

[formulanone]

Makes sense; although why it's all over the map is rather odd. Then again, the CRJ/ERJs are operated by some other regional airline.

I guess Southwest is going to have do a little extra interior work on AirTran's 737s (they're selling the 717s to Delta).

[triplemultiplex]

I grew up on a state highway 13, so I have an affinity for the number.  It has always just been "the next one west of 51" for me.  Since numerology is total made up bullshit, I have never understood ridiculous number-related superstitions.

[Eth]

an old alignment of I-85 at its south end.

awesome!  never knew that.  any signage that has evidence of I-85 still survive?

Not that I've seen. Based on the style of the BGSes along the route, they appear to date back no earlier than about the mid-1990s. No evidence of any of the old exit numbers, either.